It’s pretty bad amiright. Mainly in its non joke dialogue. The dialogue is my favourite part of the show and without dan Harmon and Chris McKenna it’s pretty fucking sucky. They tried to imitate season 3 instead of doing what dan Harmon did every season. Every good season is different in tone and execution. They always innovate. No two seasons are the same
Rich Writes they really squandered the characters development turning them into 1 note character where I feel no character got enough screen tins because the actual screen time they had was wasted by the writers. Annie got turned into me like Jeff , abed got turned into me like movies and the dean got turned into I wear dress. I feel the only character that benefited in the new season was pierce even though he got less screen time he had sweet moments with Jeff and britta. But he still wasn’t funny. And imo the worst pierce we’ve seen. All the characters were the worst. Edit: yeah they turned Jeff into kind of a sexual assaulter like wtf yeah Chevy said the n word so they tried to not have him on set. I think Jeff always knew Annie liked him from like season 2 onwards but the age difference and Jeff seeing himself as a bad guy stopped him from persueing a relationship. Would love to hear your thoughts about season 6. For me their are too many episodes that are my favourite.
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 Howd they turn Jeff into a sexual assaulter? I feel like I wouldve noticed that lol I love season 6, but it wasnt as good as 1 2 3 and 5. It felt like it had a lower budget so the sets and camera work werent as good. They couldnt go as big with the parodies. It was still a great season, especially with the last three episodes!
Rich Writes the documentary episode where Jeff forced himself onto Chang’s ex wife and noone talks about it. Season 6 had a different pace and great writing but I agree they couldn’t go as big as they might have wanted but the finale is sooo damn fitting for the final episode.
i didn't like most of the abed focused episodes in this season. it didn't feel like an "abed" episode, more like a "what movie tropes can we force upon a character" episode, like the "two dates" episode. sure it was funny and i got a laugh out of some parts but not because of how abed interacted with anyone around him; mostly due to how jeff was constantly shitting on britta "britta-ing" of her own dance only to be given the middle finger once the actual singer shows up.
I wouldnt say Community "jumped the shark". I feel like that suggests that the show had a moment that marked a perminant downward tragectory in quality. Seasons 5 and 6 are great, so thankfully the show recovered!
Community Reference At some point Abed uses the phrase "jump the shark" to which Troy replied (paraphrasing) "Why do people always say that like it's a bad thing? They literally jumped a shark in Happy Days and it was the coolest episode of the show." (This is ofc, the origin of the phrase)
I think Jeff telling the group to study actually makes sense. Jeff’s been wanting to graduate the whole season and wants to get the hell outta Greendale. Him telling the group to study so they can ace the History Test is totally in character. Other than that, I mostly agree with your arguments. Great video!
Yeah especially in the season 3 finale all Jeff was really talking about was revising for his biology final. Also when he referenced the doable and passable banners it was literally season 4 episode 11
It's a little on the nose and Could have been executed better but hasn't the show been leading entirely up to "new jeff" status? How is that out of character?
I've been rewatching Community lately, and I've noticed that Jeff actually does ask the group to focus on studying several times in different seasons, so I don't think it was out of character for him to do so in season 4.
Yeah but Jeff would never have put the effort of doing extra summer classes on his own in the first place. Jeff has always been been minimum effort with the minimum result. It's completely out of character on 2 levels
@@Hodgy14 Summer classes may have been a bit of a stretch for Jeff's character, but when he was so close to graduating from Greendale, he definitely would have been the one studying the most. (Jeff's exhibited this behavior in past season finales as well.) So, summer class may have been OOC for him, but not studying.
"I'm willing to go an extra mile to avoid doing something" Guess which character said that and which takes longer between one summer class and two extra years of college
chevy actually left before they finished s4, they had enough of him to sprinkle him throughout the season, but thats part of why his role was minimal and he sometimes just wasn't there
The body swap being used for Troy to process his feelings about Britta (also being a man) was the right way to do it. Like you complained that the puppet episode was high concept without a deeper motivation to exist, but then shit on the body swap episode for doing just that, while also developing their relationship which you also said the rest of the season had been lacking. It even kind of points to the fact that their relationship was underwhelming and is part of why it had to end.
Annie playing house with imaginary Jeff is one of the most successful plots of s4 because of how well it shows each character's growth--more so Annie, bcuz she's at the center of it. It shows how she's still coping with/ trying to come out of her childish girly crushing, that there is actually a desire for something serious within that and set an excellent precedent for 'mature' Annie in season 5. And I don't care if Jeff is a horn dog. Annie is Jeff's friend and he wouldn't have leveraged a situation where Annie was into him for personal satisfaction because he not THAT shitty of a person AND more importantly because almost every time she does express interest or he's forced to confront his attraction to her he backs out of whatever fantasy he had (look at Christmas musical, calligraphy, etc) because he knows it's wrong, just like Annie's fantasy. They both represent potential ideals, but weaknesses they're both trying to grow out of. They demonstrate that in the most extreme way with darkest timeline jeff and Annie being a couple, the jeff-centric plot I see as kind of the flipside to the Annie plot in the hotel. Each season before worked towards it a bit but I think season 4 was the best season for exploring those two characters relationship specifically.
As someone currently rewatching community, your critique of Jeff wanting to study isn't fair at all. He asks multiple times in season 1 to study, and he develops this want because of how his character developed at the end of episode 1.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was so ready to go and that's why he took summer school, to get out of there. The main lesson learned at the end of the season is that he doesn't want to leave, he wanted to stay so he could continue to hang out with his study group. Which is... Character growth.
Very much disagree about the Freaky Friday episode. Thats basically my favorite episode of the show. And the Brita and Troy's relationship is need to make it work. Yea i said it. There's a season 4 episode that should be in most people's top 5.
I think it made my top 20, maybe top 25. Still not top notch, and it felt like it dragged at some point, but it’s the only episode from the whole season other than Herstory of Dance that I don’t skip on rewatch
I feel like the argument of Jeff actually studying is invalid. In Season 3 Episode 22, the first scene Jeff is trying to study while everyone leaves for something else. The reason behind Jeff trying to Study in season 4 and doing summer school is get his degree done as fast as possible so he can go back to bring a Lawyer. The reason he tried so hard to get all the Balls in the contest was because he needed a history credit and wanted to do it with the group. He wants to stay with the group but he also can rely on them. He feels that if he does some extra work at that moment, he can slack off for the rest of the year.
He also probably needs to study for the history final because he has been getting Cs all year so if he get a really low mark on the final then he might fail and has to retake the class delaying the time he can earn his degree.
I wish I could see Pierce like you do, for me any episode with him as a major focus was nothing but painful, except the video game episode I enjoyed him in that one instance. He's too mean spirited for me to find any charm in him, even early in the series.
Thats kinda more in character for jeff because it was a summer class and he wanted to pass it so that wasting his summer wasn't for nothing, but i do think that wanted to study for history is also in character cause he wanted to get his degree as soon as possible
On my first watch of season 4, I didn't notice many changes until Pierce told Jeff that he should be kinder to Britta and I immediately thought WTF Pierce would never say that. On my second watch of season 4, many more errors become apparent though. In S1-3 of Community The "parodies" would play a part in the story being told, often the episode making a statement about the genre or movie it homages. The Hunger Games, Haunted House genre, Shawshank Redemption and Matrix are referenced in the stories but are never used well, they are shallow at best and pointless at worst. The audience is just told that Troy and Britta are now dating, we aren't even shown who asked out who and how. It is such an ackward reveal. Also, the season wastes so many good ideas. Jeff's Dad, Darkest Timeline and even Changnesia is a good idea (even if a little far-fetched) if executed well. BTW the fact that the show never jokes about how over used the amnesia trope is, is astounding.
Yeah pierce is just so off this season. I love what you said about parodies being used to develop character! Troy and brita are great characters, its a shame how awkward their relationship is!
Darkest Timeline (in the sense of having the characters from the darkest timeline literally exist and confront the characters in 'our' timeline) is not a good idea. Remedial Chaos Theory is such an extraordinarily well-crafted sitcom episode; turning it into some silly generic Doctor Who-style story about evil versions of the characters travelling through time and space is such a childish debasement of the original idea. The timelines are just a framing device to illustrate chaos theory and explore the dynamics of the characters; it's not supposed to be a kooky sci-fi story with a bit of character stuff maybe tacked on.
@@videogamenostalgia Good grief. Just saying its a childish debasement doesn't make it so. Offer an argument or fuck off. The darkest timeline characters didn't literally exist and confront the prime timeline characters, it was a dream ffs. In fact, it actually WAS a framing device to explore Jeff's character growth--not to illustrate chaos theory, what on Earth makes you think that illustrating chaos theory is a worthwhile thing for a sitcom episode to do? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you one of those people who thinks the reason Rick and Morty is clever is because of the physics jokes?
A quick correction: You attributed Dan's firing before season 4 to the spat that he had with Chevy Chase at the start of the video. In actuality, Dan and Chevy are on good terms after that spat and I've never heard Dan attribute his firing to the feud. Instead, he has always maintained that the reason he was fired was because the show got dropped from a primetime time slot at CBS to a worse time slot, meaning that the show was expected to make less money and was more or less being put to pasture, and Dan kept trying to make the show as good as possible, which was running into money that they no longer expected to make. Rather than compromise and phone it in like the network asked, Dan kept giving it his all and eventually they fired him and replaced him with showrunners who were willing to do the bare minimum for a lower cost. He talks some about it here: th-cam.com/video/ej_aFOnT04g/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for letting me know! Yeah it's weird, I researched this a good bit and all I found was citing the creative differences between Chevy and Dan. I think I was trying to focus on being comedic in the video, and I wanted to focus on the writing, so my research on why Dan was fired wasn't as thorough as the rest of the video was. I'll be sure to research better in the future. Thanks for watching!
@@baileydihayco8873 Interesting. I don't think he or anyone else has directly attributed the incident with Megan Ganz to his firing. However, having done some more research it does look like the incident took place in 2012 shortly before his firing, and if the incident itself wasn't a factor, his alcoholism and temperamental attitude as a result of the incident almost certainly was.
Ehh your argument falls apart due to you basing it off that one sentence from Jeff. In season 3 Jeff tries to study while Shirley wants him to be her lawayer against Pierce. The whole idea of the episode is that Jeff says he is "new Jeff" they literally talk about it the entire episode. I don't like season 4 either but your premise doesn't make sense.
@13:37 some time before this episode, jeff has come to the realization that annie is too young and too decent for him, culminating with intro to political science where he calls her a kid. his reaction to annies season 4 advances are in line with the character growth established by the season 1-3 writing team.
I really think the most damning episode of season four is heroic origins, because it's so clear they don't understand the root of the characters and don't really think about continuity or consistency. Troy's backstory was riddled with mistakes- his leg got broken instead of his shoulders dislocated, and faked the injury rather than hurting himself on purpose, like we're told in season 1. Plus him actually remembering Annie dismisses their development out of high school and makes Troy's insecurity seem far more shallow. Abed's backstory also doesn't fit with the narrative we were told in season one- heroic origins frames it as if he couldn't go to film school as a punishment, when the truth is that his father needed help with his family business and always thought Abed's obsession with TV and film exacerbated the animosity between the two. I could state issues with every single backstory we're shown, but I digress. These contradictions are all relatively minor, but speak to a greater misunderstanding of the characters that the season four writers have. We see so clearly in the episode that the motivations and mindset of the Greendale seven are lost on these writers, and it shines through in more subtle ways throughout the whole season. Great video! I always love hearing people talk about Comummunity on TH-cam
"This just isnt Jeff" ......bro.....have you ever watched a movie or show and noticed that sometimes the characters grow and change.........its called character development?????
I love that Jeff is your favourite character, I feel like oddly as the leading man he can be pretty underrated at times, with more focus being given to the quirkier characters, but Jeff is just brilliant as a not-really-a-straight-man straight man.
Season 4 feels like a fan fic of the show instead of an actual show where they just don’t really understand what makes the characters and the show magical
I basically already knew from watching all the other community videos on TH-cam but I can’t help but watch every video I see where ppl are talking about community. I just love hearing people talk about it. It’s like a God complex but for a show
@4:02 "doable and passable" is from season 4--kind of undercuts the point. also, jeff almost always cares about studying after the pilot because he's trying to get out of there as soon as possible. remember "cellular...mitosis"?
With the whole Jeff and Annie thing I would say that Jeff doesn’t view Annie as just another girl so I think that him not jumping on it straight away when he finds out that she’s into him is pretty realistic. Also it’s pretty clear that the age difference freaks them both out a bit despite them both clearly being into each other bat least at some points in the show. Don’t get me wrong I still think that story was stupid, Annie pretending to be married to Jeff is a bit weird and out of character in my opinion.
it felt like annie should've been more mature by season 4. in "conventions of space and time" she should've already know that telling the truth was the best way to deescalate since in season 3's episode "foosball and nocturnal vigilantism" where she did a similar thing (lying about breaking abed's dvd) and kept escalating the situation to the point where she confesses, abed doesn't believe her since "she would've confessed before". season 4 annie just felt like season 2 annie which is odd since season 3 showed that annie was being more confident and generally becoming mature.
He’s trying to graduate so he doesn’t have to be at Greendale anymore. That’s the reason why he was so mad at Annie in Season 1. This isn’t out of character for him.
Problems with the video: - Reason for Dan Harmon being fired. - "Why is Jeff a Virgin?". Really, do I even have to go further to explain why that is not a criticism? - As pointed out by everyone who paid attention to the series, Jeff did want to pass and get out of there as fast as possible. So that criticism goes out of the window. - "Britta is an anarchist, she will never be in a relationship. Look at season 1" Bad argument, you just basically said: "I want this character to be exactly the same as from three years ago. Eeeww, character development *puke*." Now, your criticisms about these point would be valid if you made them about how it's done, not what is done. Like how the relationships between the characters are, mostly, ridiculous and inconsistent with the other seasons. So on those points, yeah, you were correct. I completely agree with what you said about Abed on this season. I see so many people neglect that, so props for that. I do think the 4th season is weak compared to the others but your reasoning is so weak for why that is.
By season 2, Jeff was still very much interested in blow-off classes, but learned 'how to study' at the end of season 1 and became a more dutiful student after that. There was an entire episode, prior to season 4, in which Jeff's entire motivation is to study for a biology exam. *_"CELLULAR. MITOSIS."_*
I think the only good thing they managed in season 4 (maybe a lil too hyperbolic) is how they handled Jeff's dad. Season 4 unironically handled it better than season 6 handled britta's parents.
This entire season is basically like the time in Parks and Rec when Tom tries to pick up women in Ron's raccoon skin hat, completely missing why it works for Ron and not him.
Physical Education Education was one of the only plotlines I really loved in this series, and the other B-plot of the episode with Jeff and Pierce at the barbershop is something I mostly enjoyed; however, I can't bring myself to watch the entire episode again because of how much I hate that "whale" plot.
Ever since it was revealed that the head of city college was making a robot I was really hoping that as some sort of finale of the show or something but nope. So I really do hope that if they make a movie that that is a main part of the movie because we need to know what will happen.
One more piece of evidence that these new guys didn't know or understand the characters was also at 9:14 (with the running into grandma in Heaven remark)... Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that people go ANYWHERE when they die (Heaven or Hell).
Personally my favorite episode of the show has to be Contemporary American Poultry. Although it’s not on the top of too many lists I think that it was a great twist on the mafia genre and helped to establish why the group needs Jeff. Also great vid!
I like season 4 with the weird ass relationship between troy and britta bc i feel like it brought us closer as an audience to seeing how troy is gay and belongs with abed
This. Troy is absolutely gay (literally obsessed with butt stuff) and I wish they had done more with that. Although Abed is clearly asexual so that’s not really a relationship I wanted to see.
A tiny little thing I hated was that they didn’t explain why Shirley wanted to pull pranks with Anne in the first episode, she just does, which is very unlike the original writing of the show. She would’ve had some agenda that would be revealed at the end of the episode, but no, she just wants to pull a prank. Very strange and off putting
I 1000% agree with you especially about Jeff…don’t listen to all these haters saying you’re wrong about Jeff…all you point out is spot on …keep up great work 😊
Great video! Season 4 is the only season I dont absolutely adore and tbh it feels like the network was done with Harmon so they were milking the show for what its worth and letting some random writers crash it into the ground. Thus the super rushed "Guys I took summer classes college is over now even though it's only been 3 years and we were suspended for a semester"
loved this video! ive always defended the writers of this season, it really wasn’t their fault that the vibes were off, it’s just hard for anyone to step into dans shoes. he’s said that community’s characters (especially or specifically, i can’t remember, Jeff and abed) come from different parts of his own self and i think that’s why the characters are so hard for any other person to write. the only thing i disagree with is what you said about the episode Basic Human Anatomy. the plot of the troy and britta break up wasn’t distracting to the freaky friday plot because it wasn’t a troy and abed episode like pillows and blankets, it was just a troy episode. the episode shows a rare time that troy is explicitly the initiator of the bit rather than abed. abed uses escapism in the form of role play to deal with his problems. this episode feels like it’s trying to mimic a classic trobed episode on purpose, because it’s troy that is mimicking an abed tactic. abed knows that troy is struggling and recognizes that his friend is using his own coping mechanisms. i think that’s what makes this episode special for me. at the end we see troy thank abed and we can really understand the freaky friday bit for what it was, one friend being there for another going through a hard time. i believe jim rash wrote this one, so i think that’s why, at least to me, it’s clearly the best episode of the season.
@9:35 anyone who has ever been in a relationship can appreciate how salient and evidentiary this scene is. also the takedown of "lets" and "splingles" is epic, and was something harmon never thought to do (he was likely too busy sexually harassing megan ganz)
I agree with 99% of this but... "Pierce tries to better himself?" I don't think that's in his character at all in the series. Also the rich guy they try to lure to Greendale I actually liked. Sure, that plot went no where after that but in its own way it was a pretty community episode.
Mostly I agree with this, but a couple things: -Jeff telling the group to study could be plausible, for one of two reasons: 1. He has grown over the years, and has become more honest. Also, he really wants to graduate quickly, so it makes sense that he would say that. 2. (my favourite) He wants to stop Abed from going down the rabbit hole of analyzing the group's history, as it would not only annoy him and distract him from his test, but it would make him dredge up certain things from his past, such as, well, pretty much everything he has to end up talking about. Also, he literally did this in the finale of season 3 when Shirley asks him to help with her case, and he uses studying as an excuse. -I know that maybe it doesn't portray the characters accurately, but "Herstory of Dance" is so good! The confusion over Sophie B. Hawkins and Susan B. Anthony was pure gold. -I can't even believe I have to say this, but I really hope that when you said "post-season 3 Chang is the worst character ever", you meant that season 4 Chang was the worst character, because Chang in season 5 and especially 6 was amazing. His PowerPoint demonstration comes to mind, etc.
yeah i can see other possible explanations for Jeff studying, but it still feels off to me. yeah i don't like Chang after S3, he just feels so off to me
@@richwrites5683 yeah he feels really off. But it's just cause he kinda just changed throughout each season. Season 1 is my favorite where he's just the weird sociopath teacher. S2: he was good as just the weird student who wanted to belong because of his sociopathy. S3: he turns into a dictator to try and force love. S4 he trys to get his revenge before abed tells him that they would accept him. Then the rest is him just trying to be likable to them before he is in the commercial and gets an ego cause hes never been universally liked let alone tolerated. I do agree he's way funnier in the early seasons but his arcs still compelling.
Loved this video! I personally think it's kinda in character to be non effected after realising "fuck my father, I dont care about him". Also the Troy and Britta relationship, 2/3 of my fav characters in a relationship, such a missed opportunity, could have been great development for both
Season 4 is perfectly fine and a good amount of the people who complain about it only do so because Dan Harmon has openly denounced it (and by proxy has insulted the people who took up his throne when he got called out for sexually harassing Megan Ganz). The dude used to be a trash-fire of a person who refused to admit he was wrong about anything. Conventions of Space and Time is a great episode too, not sure why that one gets SO MUCH hate. Seasons 1-3 are NOT 10/10 either. They’re better than S4 but not by much- because all 6 seasons are amazing sitcom television. Does season 4 have more forgettable episodes? Sure. Does season 1 have some forgettable episodes? Undoubtedly. Arguably MORE.
You're absolutely right and it's obvious. People think because of the Dan Harmon drama, season 4 *must be* significantly worse than the others, so they look for things to hate about it. No one can bring themselves to admit that the new writers actually did a decent job because you're not supposed to think that.
@@Sabertooth1000000000 don’t get me wrong, season 4 is different and it doesn’t always feel right, and YEAH, it’s pretty weak compared to season 2 or 5, but the way some people act about it, you’d think they weren’t even watching the same actors with their natural chemistry from the first 3 seasons.
@@BradsGonnaPlay I would argue everything bad about Season 4 was also in season 3. The only difference is that season 3 also had better overall storytelling, so the bad parts aren't as big of a deal.
I got my friend into Community last year and he couldn’t make it through the fourth season. He told me it was so bad to him that it made him kinda hate the first three seasons too on some level.
You made me think about Jeff taking summer classes... Which made me remember when he pretty much started the Star Burns wake riot because he had to give up his summer, to take a class..
Because it was unnecessary, not because of the summer class. He was taking a class he already took, meaning that that time was wasted. Instead this summer school was taken because he wanted to graduate earlier.
I agree Abed is wayyy off in S4 but I feel like some of this started in S3. Blasphemous I know but the episode with him and Annie in the Dreamtorium makes him feel very Sheldon-ey I hate it
Doesn't Jeff spend basically the entirety of the season 3 finale annoyed because he wants to study for the final? I agree that season 4 feels like weird fanfiction a lot of the time but Jeff wanting to study isn't terribly inconsistent with his evolving character, especially the side of him that wants to get the hell out of greendale and back to being a lawyer. You also say "the new writers" don't know how to write for Jeff while neglecting to mention that basically the entirety of the season 3 writing staff came back for season 4 - people like Andy Bobrow, Megan Ganz, Steve Basilone + Annie Mebane - people who drafted some pretty monumental episodes. The difference was most definitely the hand on the steering wheel, but with every rewatch I try to appreciate S4 more for what it is than what it isn't. The claim that Chevy Chase "got Dan Harmon fired" is also, at best, extremely simplistic and at worst just wrong (obviously I wasn't in the meetings that coincided with his initial firing but there's plenty of information out there) - I dunno man, I agree that season 4 wasn't great and there's definitely stuff to talk about but I guess I disagree with your conclusions about why. No disrespect, keep doing your thing, just offering some thoughts :)
I didn't mind the new jeff arc. While being incredibly lazy Jeff did care about his friends so trying to get all the balls in the first episode of s4 wasn't totally out of character. Also I see it as him trying to make the best out of his last year at greendale so while mistakes were made I dont see him agreeing to everything as totally abnormal.
I think the idea of Dean Pelton getting the gang to try to convince a wealthy dude to pump money into Greendale is honestly a great idea and it sounds like something that would've happened in Seasons 1-3. Shame no one was in character the entire episode. Like you're telling me ANNIE just goes along with it?! She would be the one attempting to tell the guy what's going on!
I recently watched Community all the way through for the first time (I’d watched the early seasons when they came out in 2010 etc, but hadn’t picked it up in ...oh man a decade?! Wild. Anyway.) What I noticed after watching season five and six is that the later seasons each episode feels so full. Like when I finished a season four it was kind of like okay, that felt like half an episode? Whereas later seasons comparatively it was more ‘I can’t believe this was all one episode?’ I even checked to see if the later seasons had longer episodes but they just had more story lines but also they all make sense and have pay off and thus felt more satiating. Obviously, the body switching episode was fantastic so no surprise that it was written by Rash who was way more familiar with the formula of the show.
omg you just putted into words *exactly* what i thought while watching it! thanks for spreading more community related content, i don’t see a lot in the platform ❤️
What do you think of season 4?
It’s pretty bad amiright. Mainly in its non joke dialogue. The dialogue is my favourite part of the show and without dan Harmon and Chris McKenna it’s pretty fucking sucky. They tried to imitate season 3 instead of doing what dan Harmon did every season. Every good season is different in tone and execution. They always innovate. No two seasons are the same
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 TRUTH! Yeah their banter feels really watered down in this season.
Rich Writes they really squandered the characters development turning them into 1 note character where I feel no character got enough screen tins because the actual screen time they had was wasted by the writers. Annie got turned into me like Jeff , abed got turned into me like movies and the dean got turned into I wear dress. I feel the only character that benefited in the new season was pierce even though he got less screen time he had sweet moments with Jeff and britta. But he still wasn’t funny. And imo the worst pierce we’ve seen. All the characters were the worst.
Edit: yeah they turned Jeff into kind of a sexual assaulter like wtf yeah Chevy said the n word so they tried to not have him on set. I think Jeff always knew Annie liked him from like season 2 onwards but the age difference and Jeff seeing himself as a bad guy stopped him from persueing a relationship. Would love to hear your thoughts about season 6. For me their are too many episodes that are my favourite.
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 Howd they turn Jeff into a sexual assaulter? I feel like I wouldve noticed that lol
I love season 6, but it wasnt as good as 1 2 3 and 5. It felt like it had a lower budget so the sets and camera work werent as good. They couldnt go as big with the parodies. It was still a great season, especially with the last three episodes!
Rich Writes the documentary episode where Jeff forced himself onto Chang’s ex wife and noone talks about it. Season 6 had a different pace and great writing but I agree they couldn’t go as big as they might have wanted but the finale is sooo damn fitting for the final episode.
I feel like even after season 4 the show wasn’t the same, it didn’t feel right, you know, without Magnitude
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JIM RASH was the one who wrote the Troy and Abhed switch bodies episode!
makes me think they should've used HIM more in the writers roo m!
Easily the best episode in the season
Oscar-winning writer Jim Rash!
@@richwrites5683 I thought the first episode was pretty solid
did your keyboard have an aneurysm while typing this?
I was just watching that yesterday and I was wondering out loud why this episode didn't suck
my main problem with this season is their treatment of Abed. Abed is my favorite character in this show and I just couldn't take it.
Abed is such a great character. such a wasted opportunity
Right when I saw him smiling, I realized it was gonna be horrible
i didn't like most of the abed focused episodes in this season. it didn't feel like an "abed" episode, more like a "what movie tropes can we force upon a character" episode, like the "two dates" episode. sure it was funny and i got a laugh out of some parts but not because of how abed interacted with anyone around him; mostly due to how jeff was constantly shitting on britta "britta-ing" of her own dance only to be given the middle finger once the actual singer shows up.
everyone has a crush on troy ok britta get in line
For real!
Everyone either has a crush on troy or annie, and that's a fact.
@@tummylicker3847 or abed? I think there are others..
Dean: “Okay guys group hug.....where I’m in between Jeff and Troy”.
I love britta.
Let me just say it: S01 Pierce is genius, like, Michael Scott genius.
First we must ask ourselves, what is a story?
you could say he was... streets ahead
@@mentallyunstable1926 and if ya gotta ask then you're streets behind.
@@joegaming029 for a moment i thought you were calling me streets behind and i was low key offended
@@mentallyunstable1926 😂 I guess my wording is streets behind.
I hate when people say Season 4 jumped the shark. They did that on an episode of Happy Days and it was the best episode of the show!
I wouldnt say Community "jumped the shark". I feel like that suggests that the show had a moment that marked a perminant downward tragectory in quality. Seasons 5 and 6 are great, so thankfully the show recovered!
this is a very adequate reference
@@richwrites5683 you missed the joke
@@richwrites5683 community's whole thing was jumping the shark nearly every episode to the point that the phrase becomes meaningless lmao
Community Reference
At some point Abed uses the phrase "jump the shark" to which Troy replied (paraphrasing)
"Why do people always say that like it's a bad thing? They literally jumped a shark in Happy Days and it was the coolest episode of the show."
(This is ofc, the origin of the phrase)
I think Jeff telling the group to study actually makes sense. Jeff’s been wanting to graduate the whole season and wants to get the hell outta Greendale. Him telling the group to study so they can ace the History Test is totally in character.
Other than that, I mostly agree with your arguments. Great video!
Yeah especially in the season 3 finale all Jeff was really talking about was revising for his biology final. Also when he referenced the doable and passable banners it was literally season 4 episode 11
Yeah he acted similar to this in the episode about Troy's birthday and also in the Spanish final episode.
It's a little on the nose and Could have been executed better but hasn't the show been leading entirely up to "new jeff" status? How is that out of character?
If you think about it, it really isn't out of character for him. Also, I just considered it character growth.
I've been rewatching Community lately, and I've noticed that Jeff actually does ask the group to focus on studying several times in different seasons, so I don't think it was out of character for him to do so in season 4.
Of course Jeff needed to study. He was one history credit away from graduating. He needed to pass that to get out and back to his day job.
Yeah but Jeff would never have put the effort of doing extra summer classes on his own in the first place. Jeff has always been been minimum effort with the minimum result. It's completely out of character on 2 levels
Also like, in Season 3 he was studying lmao, I don't see the issue.
@@Hodgy14 Summer classes may have been a bit of a stretch for Jeff's character, but when he was so close to graduating from Greendale, he definitely would have been the one studying the most. (Jeff's exhibited this behavior in past season finales as well.)
So, summer class may have been OOC for him, but not studying.
"I'm willing to go an extra mile to avoid doing something"
Guess which character said that and which takes longer between one summer class and two extra years of college
Honestly after the end of season 3 the new characterization of Jeff just kinda felt like natural character development
chevy actually left before they finished s4, they had enough of him to sprinkle him throughout the season, but thats part of why his role was minimal and he sometimes just wasn't there
oh wow! i knew he left but didnt know it was before s4
The body swap being used for Troy to process his feelings about Britta (also being a man) was the right way to do it. Like you complained that the puppet episode was high concept without a deeper motivation to exist, but then shit on the body swap episode for doing just that, while also developing their relationship which you also said the rest of the season had been lacking. It even kind of points to the fact that their relationship was underwhelming and is part of why it had to end.
Annie playing house with imaginary Jeff is one of the most successful plots of s4 because of how well it shows each character's growth--more so Annie, bcuz she's at the center of it. It shows how she's still coping with/ trying to come out of her childish girly crushing, that there is actually a desire for something serious within that and set an excellent precedent for 'mature' Annie in season 5. And I don't care if Jeff is a horn dog. Annie is Jeff's friend and he wouldn't have leveraged a situation where Annie was into him for personal satisfaction because he not THAT shitty of a person AND more importantly because almost every time she does express interest or he's forced to confront his attraction to her he backs out of whatever fantasy he had (look at Christmas musical, calligraphy, etc) because he knows it's wrong, just like Annie's fantasy. They both represent potential ideals, but weaknesses they're both trying to grow out of. They demonstrate that in the most extreme way with darkest timeline jeff and Annie being a couple, the jeff-centric plot I see as kind of the flipside to the Annie plot in the hotel. Each season before worked towards it a bit but I think season 4 was the best season for exploring those two characters relationship specifically.
As someone currently rewatching community, your critique of Jeff wanting to study isn't fair at all. He asks multiple times in season 1 to study, and he develops this want because of how his character developed at the end of episode 1.
Not only that, one of the main plot points of a season 3 episode is Jeff trying to study for biology but constantly being interrupted.
@@zildjianabuser exactly🙌🏽
And he needs to pass history class to graduate at the end of the semester.
Jeffrey "This is the last credit I need to graduate and escape this hellscape school" Winger.
Of course he wants to study.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was so ready to go and that's why he took summer school, to get out of there.
The main lesson learned at the end of the season is that he doesn't want to leave, he wanted to stay so he could continue to hang out with his study group.
Which is... Character growth.
@@94Central Exactly
I like the thought that Chevy "convinced" them to fire Dan Harmon as if he wasn't actively drunk on set
Very much disagree about the Freaky Friday episode. Thats basically my favorite episode of the show. And the Brita and Troy's relationship is need to make it work.
Yea i said it. There's a season 4 episode that should be in most people's top 5.
I think it made my top 20, maybe top 25. Still not top notch, and it felt like it dragged at some point, but it’s the only episode from the whole season other than Herstory of Dance that I don’t skip on rewatch
I really thought this was a Cosmonaut video
Omg it looks like it is
looks like it very much on purpose
Glad someone said it.
Yikes
Didn’t Jeff ask everyone to shut up and study in one of the last episodes of season 3?? Am I wrong? It was for a biology test if I’m correct
You're correct the entire argument it's very weak
I feel like the argument of Jeff actually studying is invalid. In Season 3 Episode 22, the first scene Jeff is trying to study while everyone leaves for something else. The reason behind Jeff trying to Study in season 4 and doing summer school is get his degree done as fast as possible so he can go back to bring a Lawyer. The reason he tried so hard to get all the Balls in the contest was because he needed a history credit and wanted to do it with the group. He wants to stay with the group but he also can rely on them. He feels that if he does some extra work at that moment, he can slack off for the rest of the year.
He also probably needs to study for the history final because he has been getting Cs all year so if he get a really low mark on the final then he might fail and has to retake the class delaying the time he can earn his degree.
I wish I could see Pierce like you do, for me any episode with him as a major focus was nothing but painful, except the video game episode I enjoyed him in that one instance.
He's too mean spirited for me to find any charm in him, even early in the series.
Didn't Jeff also try to study for his chemistry exam during the Shirley sandwiches trial?
Thats kinda more in character for jeff because it was a summer class and he wanted to pass it so that wasting his summer wasn't for nothing, but i do think that wanted to study for history is also in character cause he wanted to get his degree as soon as possible
On my first watch of season 4, I didn't notice many changes until Pierce told Jeff that he should be kinder to Britta and I immediately thought WTF Pierce would never say that.
On my second watch of season 4, many more errors become apparent though. In S1-3 of Community The "parodies" would play a part in the story being told, often the episode making a statement about the genre or movie it homages. The Hunger Games, Haunted House genre, Shawshank Redemption and Matrix are referenced in the stories but are never used well, they are shallow at best and pointless at worst.
The audience is just told that Troy and Britta are now dating, we aren't even shown who asked out who and how. It is such an ackward reveal. Also, the season wastes so many good ideas. Jeff's Dad, Darkest Timeline and even Changnesia is a good idea (even if a little far-fetched) if executed well. BTW the fact that the show never jokes about how over used the amnesia trope is, is astounding.
Yeah pierce is just so off this season. I love what you said about parodies being used to develop character! Troy and brita are great characters, its a shame how awkward their relationship is!
Pierce was really all over the place that season
Why would Pierce never be kind to Britta? He's had lots of kinder moments in the past.
Darkest Timeline (in the sense of having the characters from the darkest timeline literally exist and confront the characters in 'our' timeline) is not a good idea. Remedial Chaos Theory is such an extraordinarily well-crafted sitcom episode; turning it into some silly generic Doctor Who-style story about evil versions of the characters travelling through time and space is such a childish debasement of the original idea. The timelines are just a framing device to illustrate chaos theory and explore the dynamics of the characters; it's not supposed to be a kooky sci-fi story with a bit of character stuff maybe tacked on.
@@videogamenostalgia Good grief. Just saying its a childish debasement doesn't make it so. Offer an argument or fuck off. The darkest timeline characters didn't literally exist and confront the prime timeline characters, it was a dream ffs. In fact, it actually WAS a framing device to explore Jeff's character growth--not to illustrate chaos theory, what on Earth makes you think that illustrating chaos theory is a worthwhile thing for a sitcom episode to do? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you one of those people who thinks the reason Rick and Morty is clever is because of the physics jokes?
A quick correction: You attributed Dan's firing before season 4 to the spat that he had with Chevy Chase at the start of the video. In actuality, Dan and Chevy are on good terms after that spat and I've never heard Dan attribute his firing to the feud. Instead, he has always maintained that the reason he was fired was because the show got dropped from a primetime time slot at CBS to a worse time slot, meaning that the show was expected to make less money and was more or less being put to pasture, and Dan kept trying to make the show as good as possible, which was running into money that they no longer expected to make. Rather than compromise and phone it in like the network asked, Dan kept giving it his all and eventually they fired him and replaced him with showrunners who were willing to do the bare minimum for a lower cost. He talks some about it here: th-cam.com/video/ej_aFOnT04g/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for letting me know! Yeah it's weird, I researched this a good bit and all I found was citing the creative differences between Chevy and Dan. I think I was trying to focus on being comedic in the video, and I wanted to focus on the writing, so my research on why Dan was fired wasn't as thorough as the rest of the video was. I'll be sure to research better in the future. Thanks for watching!
I thought it was because he got meetoo'd for harassing a female co-worker and his alcoholism
@@Slohan2580 My understanding is that that was an entirely different catastrophe that happened years later
@@atomicpenguin12 he did say in his open apology letter to Megan Ganz that it was his unwanted advances that got him fired
@@baileydihayco8873 Interesting. I don't think he or anyone else has directly attributed the incident with Megan Ganz to his firing. However, having done some more research it does look like the incident took place in 2012 shortly before his firing, and if the incident itself wasn't a factor, his alcoholism and temperamental attitude as a result of the incident almost certainly was.
Ehh your argument falls apart due to you basing it off that one sentence from Jeff. In season 3 Jeff tries to study while Shirley wants him to be her lawayer against Pierce. The whole idea of the episode is that Jeff says he is "new Jeff" they literally talk about it the entire episode. I don't like season 4 either but your premise doesn't make sense.
I can't remember what the fuck happened in season 4, like it's literally blank to me
You can’t blame the state of Pearce in S4 on the writers. Chase just didn’t want to be there
@13:37 some time before this episode, jeff has come to the realization that annie is too young and too decent for him, culminating with intro to political science where he calls her a kid. his reaction to annies season 4 advances are in line with the character growth established by the season 1-3 writing team.
"Why is cultural sensitivity training on Christmas Day?"
It's December 10th!
I really think the most damning episode of season four is heroic origins, because it's so clear they don't understand the root of the characters and don't really think about continuity or consistency. Troy's backstory was riddled with mistakes- his leg got broken instead of his shoulders dislocated, and faked the injury rather than hurting himself on purpose, like we're told in season 1. Plus him actually remembering Annie dismisses their development out of high school and makes Troy's insecurity seem far more shallow. Abed's backstory also doesn't fit with the narrative we were told in season one- heroic origins frames it as if he couldn't go to film school as a punishment, when the truth is that his father needed help with his family business and always thought Abed's obsession with TV and film exacerbated the animosity between the two. I could state issues with every single backstory we're shown, but I digress.
These contradictions are all relatively minor, but speak to a greater misunderstanding of the characters that the season four writers have. We see so clearly in the episode that the motivations and mindset of the Greendale seven are lost on these writers, and it shines through in more subtle ways throughout the whole season. Great video! I always love hearing people talk about Comummunity on TH-cam
Glad you liked the video! Yeah there are so many little things that build up to the characters feeling lesser in this season.
Chevy Chase having creative differences with the director is such a Pierce thing to do lol
I disagree, but im too lazy to explain why
If I had to rank NBC sitcoms I would rank them
1. Parks and Rec
2. Community
3. Brooklyn 9-9
4. The Office
5. Friends
Parks and Rec... We stan
Had to turn this off immediately - Jeff wants to pass the test so he can actually graduate. That point is driven home repeatedly.
"New Jeff!" = "Steve Holt!"
mind blown
STEVE HOLT
Him and Maybe being cousins without knowing is hilarious
@@viktorholfinger9052 fr one of the funniest shows on the planet
Steve Holt is a bastard. He doesn't even know who his real father is.
"This just isnt Jeff" ......bro.....have you ever watched a movie or show and noticed that sometimes the characters grow and change.........its called character development?????
Holy crap this video literally sums up my exact thoughts during and after I finished this season. Thank you so much
Glad you liked it!
Jeff has told the group to study multiple times
I love that Jeff is your favourite character, I feel like oddly as the leading man he can be pretty underrated at times, with more focus being given to the quirkier characters, but Jeff is just brilliant as a not-really-a-straight-man straight man.
I think season 4 is not as horrible as people like to say, sure it wasn't as good as previous seasons but I don't believe it deserves as much hate
Idk about the jeff studying thing, he spent the whole season 3 finale trying to study
Season 4 feels like a fan fic of the show instead of an actual show where they just don’t really understand what makes the characters and the show magical
Out of all the Leak Year analyses, this one is the most in-depth and is the most reasonably sound, unlike New Jeff
I stopped after S3: that is when the show ended, for me.
I basically already knew from watching all the other community videos on TH-cam but I can’t help but watch every video I see where ppl are talking about community. I just love hearing people talk about it. It’s like a God complex but for a show
@4:02 "doable and passable" is from season 4--kind of undercuts the point. also, jeff almost always cares about studying after the pilot because he's trying to get out of there as soon as possible. remember "cellular...mitosis"?
With the whole Jeff and Annie thing I would say that Jeff doesn’t view Annie as just another girl so I think that him not jumping on it straight away when he finds out that she’s into him is pretty realistic. Also it’s pretty clear that the age difference freaks them both out a bit despite them both clearly being into each other bat least at some points in the show. Don’t get me wrong I still think that story was stupid, Annie pretending to be married to Jeff is a bit weird and out of character in my opinion.
it felt like annie should've been more mature by season 4. in "conventions of space and time" she should've already know that telling the truth was the best way to deescalate since in season 3's episode "foosball and nocturnal vigilantism" where she did a similar thing (lying about breaking abed's dvd) and kept escalating the situation to the point where she confesses, abed doesn't believe her since "she would've confessed before". season 4 annie just felt like season 2 annie which is odd since season 3 showed that annie was being more confident and generally becoming mature.
He’s trying to graduate so he doesn’t have to be at Greendale anymore. That’s the reason why he was so mad at Annie in Season 1. This isn’t out of character for him.
Problems with the video:
- Reason for Dan Harmon being fired.
- "Why is Jeff a Virgin?". Really, do I even have to go further to explain why that is not a criticism?
- As pointed out by everyone who paid attention to the series, Jeff did want to pass and get out of there as fast as possible. So that criticism goes out of the window.
- "Britta is an anarchist, she will never be in a relationship. Look at season 1" Bad argument, you just basically said: "I want this character to be exactly the same as from three years ago. Eeeww, character development *puke*."
Now, your criticisms about these point would be valid if you made them about how it's done, not what is done. Like how the relationships between the characters are, mostly, ridiculous and inconsistent with the other seasons. So on those points, yeah, you were correct.
I completely agree with what you said about Abed on this season. I see so many people neglect that, so props for that.
I do think the 4th season is weak compared to the others but your reasoning is so weak for why that is.
By season 2, Jeff was still very much interested in blow-off classes, but learned 'how to study' at the end of season 1 and became a more dutiful student after that. There was an entire episode, prior to season 4, in which Jeff's entire motivation is to study for a biology exam. *_"CELLULAR. MITOSIS."_*
I think the only good thing they managed in season 4 (maybe a lil too hyperbolic) is how they handled Jeff's dad.
Season 4 unironically handled it better than season 6 handled britta's parents.
I just finnished season 4 for a first time and omg, your analysis is so right. Thumbs up for good work
This entire season is basically like the time in Parks and Rec when Tom tries to pick up women in Ron's raccoon skin hat, completely missing why it works for Ron and not him.
Physical Education Education was one of the only plotlines I really loved in this series, and the other B-plot of the episode with Jeff and Pierce at the barbershop is something I mostly enjoyed; however, I can't bring myself to watch the entire episode again because of how much I hate that "whale" plot.
Ever since it was revealed that the head of city college was making a robot I was really hoping that as some sort of finale of the show or something but nope. So I really do hope that if they make a movie that that is a main part of the movie because we need to know what will happen.
One more piece of evidence that these new guys didn't know or understand the characters was also at 9:14 (with the running into grandma in Heaven remark)... Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that people go ANYWHERE when they die (Heaven or Hell).
Personally my favorite episode of the show has to be Contemporary American Poultry. Although it’s not on the top of too many lists I think that it was a great twist on the mafia genre and helped to establish why the group needs Jeff. Also great vid!
I like season 4 with the weird ass relationship between troy and britta bc i feel like it brought us closer as an audience to seeing how troy is gay and belongs with abed
This. Troy is absolutely gay (literally obsessed with butt stuff) and I wish they had done more with that. Although Abed is clearly asexual so that’s not really a relationship I wanted to see.
the SpongeBob writers (season 1-3) would be fantastic for community
I hate how true this is
The worst part of season 4 is not misunderstanding of the characters and not the direction of the season but JEFF'S HAIR.
A tiny little thing I hated was that they didn’t explain why Shirley wanted to pull pranks with Anne in the first episode, she just does, which is very unlike the original writing of the show. She would’ve had some agenda that would be revealed at the end of the episode, but no, she just wants to pull a prank. Very strange and off putting
I 1000% agree with you especially about Jeff…don’t listen to all these haters saying you’re wrong about Jeff…all you point out is spot on …keep up great work 😊
Great video! Season 4 is the only season I dont absolutely adore and tbh it feels like the network was done with Harmon so they were milking the show for what its worth and letting some random writers crash it into the ground. Thus the super rushed "Guys I took summer classes college is over now even though it's only been 3 years and we were suspended for a semester"
loved this video! ive always defended the writers of this season, it really wasn’t their fault that the vibes were off, it’s just hard for anyone to step into dans shoes. he’s said that community’s characters (especially or specifically, i can’t remember, Jeff and abed) come from different parts of his own self and i think that’s why the characters are so hard for any other person to write. the only thing i disagree with is what you said about the episode Basic Human Anatomy. the plot of the troy and britta break up wasn’t distracting to the freaky friday plot because it wasn’t a troy and abed episode like pillows and blankets, it was just a troy episode. the episode shows a rare time that troy is explicitly the initiator of the bit rather than abed. abed uses escapism in the form of role play to deal with his problems. this episode feels like it’s trying to mimic a classic trobed episode on purpose, because it’s troy that is mimicking an abed tactic. abed knows that troy is struggling and recognizes that his friend is using his own coping mechanisms. i think that’s what makes this episode special for me. at the end we see troy thank abed and we can really understand the freaky friday bit for what it was, one friend being there for another going through a hard time. i believe jim rash wrote this one, so i think that’s why, at least to me, it’s clearly the best episode of the season.
Yeah sorta valid points, but remember that scene where puppet Jeff tries to seduce the dean? Makes up for everything
@9:35 anyone who has ever been in a relationship can appreciate how salient and evidentiary this scene is. also the takedown of "lets" and "splingles" is epic, and was something harmon never thought to do (he was likely too busy sexually harassing megan ganz)
I agree with 99% of this but... "Pierce tries to better himself?" I don't think that's in his character at all in the series. Also the rich guy they try to lure to Greendale I actually liked. Sure, that plot went no where after that but in its own way it was a pretty community episode.
Mostly I agree with this, but a couple things:
-Jeff telling the group to study could be plausible, for one of two reasons:
1. He has grown over the years, and has become more honest. Also, he really wants to graduate quickly, so it makes sense that he would say that.
2. (my favourite) He wants to stop Abed from going down the rabbit hole of analyzing the group's history, as it would not only annoy him and distract him from his test, but it would make him dredge up certain things from his past, such as, well, pretty much everything he has to end up talking about. Also, he literally did this in the finale of season 3 when Shirley asks him to help with her case, and he uses studying as an excuse.
-I know that maybe it doesn't portray the characters accurately, but "Herstory of Dance" is so good! The confusion over Sophie B. Hawkins and Susan B. Anthony was pure gold.
-I can't even believe I have to say this, but I really hope that when you said "post-season 3 Chang is the worst character ever", you meant that season 4 Chang was the worst character, because Chang in season 5 and especially 6 was amazing. His PowerPoint demonstration comes to mind, etc.
yeah i can see other possible explanations for Jeff studying, but it still feels off to me. yeah i don't like Chang after S3, he just feels so off to me
@@richwrites5683 yeah he feels really off. But it's just cause he kinda just changed throughout each season. Season 1 is my favorite where he's just the weird sociopath teacher. S2: he was good as just the weird student who wanted to belong because of his sociopathy. S3: he turns into a dictator to try and force love. S4 he trys to get his revenge before abed tells him that they would accept him. Then the rest is him just trying to be likable to them before he is in the commercial and gets an ego cause hes never been universally liked let alone tolerated. I do agree he's way funnier in the early seasons but his arcs still compelling.
I'm on my very first watch of Community and S4E2 was my first alarm that things had changed drastically.
when I kept hearing them reffer to the gas leal. I thought I fell asleep and missed an episode or two at some point. It was kinda confusing
Oh hey cosmonaut variety hour waaaaiiiit a minute
Loved this video! I personally think it's kinda in character to be non effected after realising "fuck my father, I dont care about him". Also the Troy and Britta relationship, 2/3 of my fav characters in a relationship, such a missed opportunity, could have been great development for both
Yeah, Troy an Brita are great characters! Its a shame their relationship didnt get the treatment it deserved
Best explanation I’ve seen on TH-cam 👌
Season 4 is perfectly fine and a good amount of the people who complain about it only do so because Dan Harmon has openly denounced it (and by proxy has insulted the people who took up his throne when he got called out for sexually harassing Megan Ganz). The dude used to be a trash-fire of a person who refused to admit he was wrong about anything.
Conventions of Space and Time is a great episode too, not sure why that one gets SO MUCH hate.
Seasons 1-3 are NOT 10/10 either. They’re better than S4 but not by much- because all 6 seasons are amazing sitcom television.
Does season 4 have more forgettable episodes? Sure.
Does season 1 have some forgettable episodes? Undoubtedly. Arguably MORE.
You're absolutely right and it's obvious. People think because of the Dan Harmon drama, season 4 *must be* significantly worse than the others, so they look for things to hate about it. No one can bring themselves to admit that the new writers actually did a decent job because you're not supposed to think that.
@@Sabertooth1000000000 don’t get me wrong, season 4 is different and it doesn’t always feel right, and YEAH, it’s pretty weak compared to season 2 or 5, but the way some people act about it, you’d think they weren’t even watching the same actors with their natural chemistry from the first 3 seasons.
@@BradsGonnaPlay I would argue everything bad about Season 4 was also in season 3. The only difference is that season 3 also had better overall storytelling, so the bad parts aren't as big of a deal.
I got my friend into Community last year and he couldn’t make it through the fourth season. He told me it was so bad to him that it made him kinda hate the first three seasons too on some level.
An amazing creator with just over 1k subs, yes please!
Aw thank you!
I just finished the forth season and was so disappointed, I’m so glad I’m not alone
You made me think about Jeff taking summer classes... Which made me remember when he pretty much started the Star Burns wake riot because he had to give up his summer, to take a class..
Yeah but like again, for a BS reason.
Because it was unnecessary, not because of the summer class. He was taking a class he already took, meaning that that time was wasted. Instead this summer school was taken because he wanted to graduate earlier.
dont copy the cosmonaut variety hour thumbnail bruh
I wish Dan Harmon could go back and redo season 4! So ma t missed opportunities-especially with Jeff’s dad.
You know you’re right. I needed someone to explain it to me. Season 4 was strange
I agree Abed is wayyy off in S4 but I feel like some of this started in S3. Blasphemous I know but the episode with him and Annie in the Dreamtorium makes him feel very Sheldon-ey
I hate it
Doesn't Jeff spend basically the entirety of the season 3 finale annoyed because he wants to study for the final? I agree that season 4 feels like weird fanfiction a lot of the time but Jeff wanting to study isn't terribly inconsistent with his evolving character, especially the side of him that wants to get the hell out of greendale and back to being a lawyer.
You also say "the new writers" don't know how to write for Jeff while neglecting to mention that basically the entirety of the season 3 writing staff came back for season 4 - people like Andy Bobrow, Megan Ganz, Steve Basilone + Annie Mebane - people who drafted some pretty monumental episodes. The difference was most definitely the hand on the steering wheel, but with every rewatch I try to appreciate S4 more for what it is than what it isn't.
The claim that Chevy Chase "got Dan Harmon fired" is also, at best, extremely simplistic and at worst just wrong (obviously I wasn't in the meetings that coincided with his initial firing but there's plenty of information out there) - I dunno man, I agree that season 4 wasn't great and there's definitely stuff to talk about but I guess I disagree with your conclusions about why. No disrespect, keep doing your thing, just offering some thoughts :)
Community season 4 was a competently made sitcom. The problem was that the previous seasons were spectacular television that can't be recreated.
I really loved what you had to say about pierce
I didn't mind the new jeff arc. While being incredibly lazy Jeff did care about his friends so trying to get all the balls in the first episode of s4 wasn't totally out of character. Also I see it as him trying to make the best out of his last year at greendale so while mistakes were made I dont see him agreeing to everything as totally abnormal.
Ok but true fans know Abed was the REAL leader of the group.
You're editing is top tier gravy my friend
Thank you! this video took me like a month
I think the idea of Dean Pelton getting the gang to try to convince a wealthy dude to pump money into Greendale is honestly a great idea and it sounds like something that would've happened in Seasons 1-3. Shame no one was in character the entire episode. Like you're telling me ANNIE just goes along with it?! She would be the one attempting to tell the guy what's going on!
I can't even bring myself to watch 1 full episode from this season, it's too painful
I recently watched Community all the way through for the first time (I’d watched the early seasons when they came out in 2010 etc, but hadn’t picked it up in ...oh man a decade?! Wild. Anyway.) What I noticed after watching season five and six is that the later seasons each episode feels so full. Like when I finished a season four it was kind of like okay, that felt like half an episode? Whereas later seasons comparatively it was more ‘I can’t believe this was all one episode?’ I even checked to see if the later seasons had longer episodes but they just had more story lines but also they all make sense and have pay off and thus felt more satiating. Obviously, the body switching episode was fantastic so no surprise that it was written by Rash who was way more familiar with the formula of the show.
that Danny DeVito picture is my wallpaper and I thought my PC was glitching when it popped up
That was my plan from the beginning
I hear imaginary places playing in the back lol love that
3:41 Jeff also said that they needed to study in the episode with Troy's birthday
If a Community movie does happen, mayyybe they’ll do something with that City College spider robot ?
I at most expect some kind of joke that will dismiss it, as it was apart of Season 4.
Something I remember in the earlier seasons they say 6 seasons and a movie in the first 2 or 3 seasons
Now I get why I loved the first three seasons and then the next 3 was frequently painful to watch
omg you just putted into words *exactly* what i thought while watching it! thanks for spreading more community related content, i don’t see a lot in the platform ❤️