How tho it’s not hard like yeah defyn is the best but you just have to not be a moron and gauge the time somewhat well then rudder to make it a harder or impossible shot from their angle I’m above average but this really isn’t hard
I really like this old interceptor style of planes, I know they are hardly meta in WT, this one is kinda exception but American convair F-102 delta dagger and RUS La-250, Su-15, big birds, barely any guns, obsolete missiles but still lookin kinda awesome. Mig-25 as well.
If or when mid cold war era bombers will be added - these interceptors will have a place in game. (Ye)E-152/155, Su-15, Tu-128 and Yak-28P as Soviet version of Vatour. It's not going to be an easy task to intercept B-1 Lancer or Tu-22. Ton of flare/chaff, ECM, radar guided rear turret (for Tupolev series). And there's a lot of such things that already may have a place to be in game. I just hope none of us will drop the game itself, before this birds will arrive.
I like this jet. Really wish more IR missiles at top tier would be flare resistant. 9Ls and R-60s are a bit too easily flared at the moment, I wish they had a very minimum amount of resistance so people have to have proper flaring technique.
i swear they nerfed 9L flare resistance this update cuz before i could hit a flaring, not afterburning f14, f4, or mig29 from behind every time, but now it won’t even track an afterburning f14a
@@Bobert_da_man see idk because I'm flying out the mig23m right now, and granted it only has 12 flares but when I flare and maneuver, sometimes the 9ls still hit whereas in my f16, the 9ls always miss when I pop one thing of flares. Maybe the 23M just runs a little hotter but idk
i dont want to go back to pre-9L nerf. don't want dumping half my countermeasure just to evade 1 9L. Flaring IR missiles is a game mechanic and should stay that way. If you don't want your opponent to see them, launch from above or below your target.
@@TheLastApplePie the fkin problem is having the 9L's and R60s be more flare resistant would completely fk over Br's 9-11 since alot of planes there either have no flares or very very few flares. Which is complete BS as it is right now but buffing the 9Ls and R60s would fk them up even more.
I don't know how you guys are saying 9Ls and R60s have been flare resistance nerfed. I dont know about after this specific update, cause I haven't been able to play, but before it, as much as it was a rear aspect shoot at around 2-2.5 km, most of my Ls hit, and R60s the same but at much less distance.
I got this plane a few days after patch, bloody love the PL-8's. I like coming in from the heavens as you mentioned when I can, got an ace in 30 seconds doing this yesterday. It is tricky to fly but I enjoy it
I love the 4d chess gameplay, such a rarity in top tier nowadays! Being able to hang with mirages is impressive considering the difference in performance, very much a display of skill.
i disagree my best plane is the f16a. I play at about angels 10-15 i flank hard right and defend fox 1s then turn in as the enemy team gets past the mid point so that im mostly looking at all engines. never take a full headon or get closer than 3-5mi in a headon unless its late game so i can defend a fox one if i have to and i tend to get at least 3 or so kills a game if not more usually without dying. 9Ls are just amazing missiles when fired in the rear aspect from almost any situation under 4mi, and being high and not spending any time looking at a radar gives you alot more situational awareness to defend missiles or get position for a fight. this playstyle garners the best outcomes in any top tier plane in my opinion tho
@@desertrecce5676 i agree with you, my best plane is mig 29, most of the time i get kill by outplaying f14 up above and after releasing 2 R27ERs i have much more situation awareness. Also 500 games with the mig21s bring the feeling you dont need radar missile
@@desertrecce5676 this Playstyle isn't exclusive to the IR only F16, you can do the exact same thing in any F16, just with other variants you can also kill people who are 10-15km away as well when the need arises, which it will. You won't be getting a flank on 4+ people consistently so the need for 6 IR missiles isn't there and the performance drop from having 2 sparrows isn't nothing but also isn't a major factor, particularly when balanced out by the increase in firepower.
@@Beulena. yeah that’s fair. i guess i personally just really don’t like sparrows as their so outclassed by the r27er even though they never would’ve met each other irl. by the time the soviets had the r27er out of r&d the US had already began fielding the aim 120. trying to crank and hold a lock with a missile that i know is worse in every way from its in game counterpart that is most likely being shot at me isn’t worth the risk imo. as you almost always either lose the missile cuz sparrows suck or get out sped by the er. even when i play the adf i take all 9Ls and it works so much better for me. that experience seems to be very different from most tho
Invisible missiles in Air battles, and Ground is plagued with turret desync that they made worse from last patch when it came back. Seems like Gaijin is on a roll right now with the game breaking bugs and issues.
i have been having issues with no engine sounds on enemies in both air and ground and random rocket sounds when nobody is around me in the air makes playing really aggravating when people can randomly creep up your ass without you hearing them
PL-8 really love flares,sad,but luckily it has a bit long range,so that enemy wont notice your missilesAnd J-8F energy save is really very bad,i always lose dogfight with other jet.sad.And gaijin just make wrong PL-8 with mixing PL-8A(Python-3) and PL-8B,and only PL-8B has head aiming.Gaijin should distinguish the PL-8 s and give the PL-8A to J-7E J-8B which 2 jet shoot PL8A in reality.
im a wee bit disappointed by this plane, coming from my favorite plane of all time the j7e i thought the j8f would be a straight upgrade with broken missiles but that unfortunately wasnt the case in my experience
6:20 i wish this was just something people didnt need to be told.... dont bring them into a head on, put them into a turn to give us the easier angle and higher chance to kill them.
I've been playing the vatours in the Israeli tech tree as I'm grinding through it and I noticed it gets shafrir missiles. They very funny to get kills with.
@@0GTXRI never said they always worked, as a matter of fact they're really bad at "working" so that's why it's so funny. Jokes aside I pretty much always have the same problem.
I'd enjoy top tier jets more if I wasn't constantly being radar locked on the deck and pulverized by radar missiles from across the map within five seconds of leaving my airfield... AND YES I DO NOTCH
J-7E could not carry Pl-8's. The later J-7G was able to. J-7E had center of mass issues with them equipped so the PLAAF never used them on it other than for initial trials. The J-7G designed later as an improvement fixed this issue and was able to carry them. What the J-7E needs is the Pl-5C/E's, that is an all aspect Pl-5 that would let it at least be not worthless. Would be very nice to get the J-7G with Pl-8's and it's radar too.
@@silent_j6198 by allah, the J-7II had the center of mass issue, they then got some university to design them a fix which was the J-7E also J-7G is just export variant???
SARH's are still pretty easy to counter and mid match picks are pretty damn important to win games right now, and with invisible missiles being as prominent as they are right now, ratting around and firing decently flare resistant 40g mini-R24T's is a good recipe for influencing matches. You should coordinate with your real heavy hitters though.
@@MageOtter27 It's a bug that happens on TH-cams end, where it'll show people comments multiple times. Although I've never seen it 4 times so maybe they're just stupid lmao.
@@gsilvy4k570In this case the dude straight up did comment the same thing 4 times, all got different replies and what not. Might have been a bug on his end tho, where his comment didn't show so he commented several times extra. Anyways to answer the comment. It's a localization mod of some kind, the 150 refers to the block number (basically the subvariant of that plane). Although the mod isn't always correct it seems..? Because a F-16 block 65.. what even is that? I suppose that would be a typo of block 15. EDIT: Oh wait I'm stupid, I misread, it says F-14-65, yeah that just refers to the F-14A we have in game, a block 65.
Blud is doing psychological warfare in a 12.0 warthunder air rb match 💀💀💀💀
kinda hard to trick the enemy's mind when the enemy doesn't even have one to begin with.
Rudder flick on f-14a was Defyn’s pure skill and experience
How tho it’s not hard like yeah defyn is the best but you just have to not be a moron and gauge the time somewhat well then rudder to make it a harder or impossible shot from their angle I’m above average but this really isn’t hard
the j8f deserves a new video
the Bing Chilling is strong with this one
I really like this old interceptor style of planes, I know they are hardly meta in WT, this one is kinda exception but American convair F-102 delta dagger and RUS La-250, Su-15, big birds, barely any guns, obsolete missiles but still lookin kinda awesome. Mig-25 as well.
MiG-25/31 would be so cool to see in WT
@@ThePolish2107mig 31 would be bit much, mig 25 could work
@@oz314I really like the mig25 and really hopes they add it in
If or when mid cold war era bombers will be added - these interceptors will have a place in game. (Ye)E-152/155, Su-15, Tu-128 and Yak-28P as Soviet version of Vatour. It's not going to be an easy task to intercept B-1 Lancer or Tu-22. Ton of flare/chaff, ECM, radar guided rear turret (for Tupolev series). And there's a lot of such things that already may have a place to be in game.
I just hope none of us will drop the game itself, before this birds will arrive.
This plane is literally "Let me do it for you"
Thank you for feeding my python 3 addiction
I like this jet. Really wish more IR missiles at top tier would be flare resistant. 9Ls and R-60s are a bit too easily flared at the moment, I wish they had a very minimum amount of resistance so people have to have proper flaring technique.
i swear they nerfed 9L flare resistance this update cuz before i could hit a flaring, not afterburning f14, f4, or mig29 from behind every time, but now it won’t even track an afterburning f14a
@@Bobert_da_man see idk because I'm flying out the mig23m right now, and granted it only has 12 flares but when I flare and maneuver, sometimes the 9ls still hit whereas in my f16, the 9ls always miss when I pop one thing of flares. Maybe the 23M just runs a little hotter but idk
i dont want to go back to pre-9L nerf. don't want dumping half my countermeasure just to evade 1 9L. Flaring IR missiles is a game mechanic and should stay that way. If you don't want your opponent to see them, launch from above or below your target.
@@TheLastApplePie the fkin problem is having the 9L's and R60s be more flare resistant would completely fk over Br's 9-11 since alot of planes there either have no flares or very very few flares. Which is complete BS as it is right now but buffing the 9Ls and R60s would fk them up even more.
I don't know how you guys are saying 9Ls and R60s have been flare resistance nerfed. I dont know about after this specific update, cause I haven't been able to play, but before it, as much as it was a rear aspect shoot at around 2-2.5 km, most of my Ls hit, and R60s the same but at much less distance.
That Dogfight with F-14 are insane, You are really good
I got this plane a few days after patch, bloody love the PL-8's. I like coming in from the heavens as you mentioned when I can, got an ace in 30 seconds doing this yesterday.
It is tricky to fly but I enjoy it
I love the 4d chess gameplay, such a rarity in top tier nowadays! Being able to hang with mirages is impressive considering the difference in performance, very much a display of skill.
IR only is just such a hindrance in the current meta, really limits how you can play, irrelevant of how well optimised you are for IR combat.
i disagree my best plane is the f16a. I play at about angels 10-15 i flank hard right and defend fox 1s then turn in as the enemy team gets past the mid point so that im mostly looking at all engines. never take a full headon or get closer than 3-5mi in a headon unless its late game so i can defend a fox one if i have to and i tend to get at least 3 or so kills a game if not more usually without dying. 9Ls are just amazing missiles when fired in the rear aspect from almost any situation under 4mi, and being high and not spending any time looking at a radar gives you alot more situational awareness to defend missiles or get position for a fight. this playstyle garners the best outcomes in any top tier plane in my opinion tho
@@desertrecce5676 i agree with you, my best plane is mig 29, most of the time i get kill by outplaying f14 up above and after releasing 2 R27ERs i have much more situation awareness. Also 500 games with the mig21s bring the feeling you dont need radar missile
@@desertrecce5676 this Playstyle isn't exclusive to the IR only F16, you can do the exact same thing in any F16, just with other variants you can also kill people who are 10-15km away as well when the need arises, which it will. You won't be getting a flank on 4+ people consistently so the need for 6 IR missiles isn't there and the performance drop from having 2 sparrows isn't nothing but also isn't a major factor, particularly when balanced out by the increase in firepower.
@@Beulena. yeah that’s fair. i guess i personally just really don’t like sparrows as their so outclassed by the r27er even though they never would’ve met each other irl. by the time the soviets had the r27er out of r&d the US had already began fielding the aim 120. trying to crank and hold a lock with a missile that i know is worse in every way from its in game counterpart that is most likely being shot at me isn’t worth the risk imo. as you almost always either lose the missile cuz sparrows suck or get out sped by the er. even when i play the adf i take all 9Ls and it works so much better for me. that experience seems to be very different from most tho
What localization pack are you using for the aircraft block numbers, or did they put that into the main gane?
i was wondering the same thing
I just realized that J8 is basically MiG-21 with 2 engine
(I'm never play china)
You have played China if you have played Russia and America
@@louctendo1321 no
Can you make a video on the F8F? I asked three months ago and you said "I will".
would you still recommend this vehicle now that its 13.0
Guerrilla warfare the plane fr, got some real cheeky kills this vid defyn cool stuff
Invisible missiles in Air battles, and Ground is plagued with turret desync that they made worse from last patch when it came back. Seems like Gaijin is on a roll right now with the game breaking bugs and issues.
i have been having issues with no engine sounds on enemies in both air and ground and random rocket sounds when nobody is around me in the air makes playing really aggravating when people can randomly creep up your ass without you hearing them
PL-8 really love flares,sad,but luckily it has a bit long range,so that enemy wont notice your missilesAnd J-8F energy save is really very bad,i always lose dogfight with other jet.sad.And gaijin just make wrong PL-8 with mixing PL-8A(Python-3) and PL-8B,and only PL-8B has head aiming.Gaijin should distinguish the PL-8 s and give the PL-8A to J-7E J-8B which 2 jet shoot PL8A in reality.
Been watching since 2020 my goat 🫡
at 1.3 km + it loves flares.
I've started watching not long ago and was wondering for the longest time what kind of esoteric air lingo was an "assbomb" lmao.
Ive heard this before
Apparently its my way of saying " air spawn"
@@DEFYN Yeah eventually I figured it out! Not trying to make fun btw, just english not my first lang. Love the content.
it needs a new video
11:11 I am playing on playstation and 90% of missiles and flares just dont render. It's pretty unmotivating since my best plane is F4c :))
Our double rotor spy planes trade favorably with this model in real life.
Honey wake DEFYN just posted
im a wee bit disappointed by this plane, coming from my favorite plane of all time the j7e i thought the j8f would be a straight upgrade with broken missiles but that unfortunately wasnt the case in my experience
This thing is definitely just a placeholder for the J-10A and its PL-12 missiles
Once the 12.0s start getting pulled up a little in the matchmaker and 11.7-11.3 get a bit more fleshed out and decompressed I think it’ll get better
j-8f monster of 2002 best plane
outro is so iconic lol
6:20 i wish this was just something people didnt need to be told.... dont bring them into a head on, put them into a turn to give us the easier angle and higher chance to kill them.
And if you're being chased, don't run away from everybody while crying for help. We can't catch up to you, come back towards the team.
Can you do a video flying the Ming 23 m?
F-14-65 ??? am I missing something
I saw at like 1:25 the “f-14B-150” is it maybe an upgrade designation or a production number?
@@spectre0969 Might be one of those longer name mods
Localizaiton mod.
@@spectre0969 block numbers, so yeah basically an upgrade designation.
@@jaek_898 Thks bud.
Hello, is it worth buying f4s phantom ll to upgrade us aircraft? Will I be able to play it normally? Or is it better to take f5c?
F4S is good AIM7F carrier
How do you your game to say the realistic jet name lime F14A 65
1:25 why’s that f-14B got “-150” at the end?
Localization pack
@@badrepputation what’s a localization pack can I ask is it a historical thing or a game add on thing?
@@spectre0969 Add on, I am not 100% sure how it works but it isn't provided by gaijin
@@badrepputation oh, what’s it’s purpose can I ask?
@@spectre0969 I think it just changes names and possibly decals
I've been playing the vatours in the Israeli tech tree as I'm grinding through it and I noticed it gets shafrir missiles. They very funny to get kills with.
everyone always sees me from behind rrreeeee
@@0GTXRI never said they always worked, as a matter of fact they're really bad at "working" so that's why it's so funny. Jokes aside I pretty much always have the same problem.
Can you plz make a video on the p47
How do I set a key bind to cancel a lock when it's locking on my teammate?
Set your weapon lock to be different from fire and just press it again
Do it by your self
Please updated video about fw 190 d13 its feel worst and slower than the fw 190d12
could you please play the kfir c2 it got pythons at 11.0
11.3 to 12.0 is forbidden place tbh nowadays
oh yeah so many defyn videos.
You gonna do the F8F-1? With the 50’s?
I mean it’s a time bomb like the other bearcat just the guns are worse I think
Or maybe better now I guess, thanks realshatter
@@spectre0969 You can fix that with MEC and turning off the auto oil radiator
@@reinbeers5322 gaijin should fix it by removing the neutron star from the engine bay smh
@@Xiphactinus You should see a Ki-61-I in a desert map. Not even MEC can save it lmao, way worse heat-wise than the Bearcat
I'd enjoy top tier jets more if I wasn't constantly being radar locked on the deck and pulverized by radar missiles from across the map within five seconds of leaving my airfield... AND YES I DO NOTCH
Why did you pop Jack of all trades?...
Mig-21F?
if only the plane that was created to carry the pl-8 could carry the pl-8.... (J-7E)
J-7E could not carry Pl-8's. The later J-7G was able to. J-7E had center of mass issues with them equipped so the PLAAF never used them on it other than for initial trials. The J-7G designed later as an improvement fixed this issue and was able to carry them. What the J-7E needs is the Pl-5C/E's, that is an all aspect Pl-5 that would let it at least be not worthless. Would be very nice to get the J-7G with Pl-8's and it's radar too.
@@silent_j6198 by allah, the J-7II had the center of mass issue, they then got some university to design them a fix which was the J-7E also J-7G is just export variant???
@@silent_j6198 it can.Indeed J-7E is just designed for hanging with PL8.
Can you do the AR B-2???!!
I’m not at top tier but still enjoy watching
I'm really struggling to get silver lions I've only been able to get 350k the past 2 weeks any tips?
Wait for the economy changes or use stuff that you like/is good. If you have boosters, use them after the changes if they'll last that long.
Also you could disable auto repair but that is a very big precaution and a pain in the ass.
buy a Mig23ML gold,or other Gold good jet to print money
Fastest way to grind Russia?
なんでPL-12の代わりがアスピーデじゃなくてPL-8なんだ…
This plane is like threesome between F-4 + MiG-19 + MiG-21 = J-8F
miss the 9L pre nerf, they should do an overall buff to IR missiles
I feel disappointed in those mirage pilots
AIM9L are more flare resistant than pythons.
it is,PL8 share same ability to flares with 9L,but its FOV is a bit bigger than AIM9L,so AIM9L will be easier to ignore flares
@@yuluoxianjun thus making aim9L more reliable than pythons 3 :/
02:24,such a excellent skill,
If DEFYN calls it mid, then you know it's just straight up garbage. Not having radar missiles is basically like flying a regular stock jet, not fun.
SARH's are still pretty easy to counter and mid match picks are pretty damn important to win games right now, and with invisible missiles being as prominent as they are right now, ratting around and firing decently flare resistant 40g mini-R24T's is a good recipe for influencing matches.
You should coordinate with your real heavy hitters though.
looked heavy idk
Isn't that nice they tell ya to get high in a prop then now you gotta stay at the deck 🤔 gaijin can you make up your mind with the gameplay
+10000 social credit
catapult is not engine
now its 13.0 lmfao
Pls Pls yak38 Pls?
Boo compression
There's this cool awesome plane that flies just like the J8, the F-100D, amazing perfect machine with excellent missiles. Play it))))
Low effort shitpost
Day 123 of asking for a P51D30 video
Still my fav prop
Fourth
Meanwhile the MiG-29 STILL doesn't have it's R-73s
Fucking lmao
R73 on Mig29 is too op at 12.0
@@yuluoxianjun AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA holy fuck
1:25 why’s that f-14B got “-150” at the end?
i was wondering this myself
1:25 why’s that f-14B got “-150” at the end?
Bro you wrote that 4 times sthu already
@@MageOtter27 It's a bug that happens on TH-cams end, where it'll show people comments multiple times. Although I've never seen it 4 times so maybe they're just stupid lmao.
@@gsilvy4k570In this case the dude straight up did comment the same thing 4 times, all got different replies and what not. Might have been a bug on his end tho, where his comment didn't show so he commented several times extra.
Anyways to answer the comment. It's a localization mod of some kind, the 150 refers to the block number (basically the subvariant of that plane). Although the mod isn't always correct it seems..? Because a F-16 block 65.. what even is that? I suppose that would be a typo of block 15.
EDIT: Oh wait I'm stupid, I misread, it says F-14-65, yeah that just refers to the F-14A we have in game, a block 65.
1:25 why’s that f-14B got “-150” at the end?
It’s a mod that shows real names of vehicles, not just F-14A ”Early”
1:25 why’s that f-14B got “-150” at the end?
Also WOW that’s really pretty fuel fire effects