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The time when SM still promoting EXO.
2020; -.-
ikr ;-;
; -;
Yeah ಠ,_｣ಠ
:(
The "ONLY" time
now 2020 and i'm still amaze with kyungsoo's vocal 😭😭😭
i miss exo 😭😭
D.O. 2021
@@jsoo3311 bestue can i have a copy of ur icon omg 😭
2022 still loving D.O ❤❤❤
Same here.. he has a blessed voice
Who's with me this 2021?
I miss them so much ㅠ ㅠ .
Me
I wish they will come back again.. Wish to see them perform again.. " We are one" the LEDEND!! 😍🤗🙌🙌👏👏👏👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️❤️
Count me in!!!
im heree~~
Meee
I love D.O.'s answer abt fashion. As long as you are comfortable in your clothes & confident, you shine.
Its April 2021. Missing OT12. Here im now. Half screaming half crying.
same here. I miss them so much HUHUHUHU my OT12 heartuuu
I love how D.O is so calm when singing
EXO🍱🏖💖💜❤💘☕💜💖😘💛💘💖💜💖💚🍦
EXO🍱😘💙💘❤☕💚🍝💙💖❤💖😚💘💜😘😍💙💖❤😚💚💘
EXO🍱❤💖😘💚🌹😚☕❤💖💘😘💚🍦😚😚❤💖😘
EXO😘💖😚🍱😚🍦💚💘💜☕❤💖😘😍❤💘💖❤😚💚💘🍝
EXO💙🍱😚💚😘🌹💖🏖💜🍝💙😍🌹💘💖
Shindong: D.O.!
D.O.: Yes?
Shindong: I just called you for no reason
i think he like to tease D.O. a lot. Maybe because D.O. is quite and cute.
Kai got so flustered after that comment from Xiumin he couldn't properly express his love for Kyungsoo
I felt bad for him actually, to be scolded by his oldest hyung on a live show....Xiumin should've kept that for a private talk I think. But he still turns around and says the the sweetest 'i love you' to Kyungsoo...Jongin is so soft 🥺
D.Os runs are NO JOKE 🥵🥵
He really the master of the runs from debut till now. I like his run from his song Tell me what is Love with yoo youngjin his composer.
d.o. will have a solo album in july 26 lets all support him
lay's bucket list:
1. have a meal with teacher lee so man (checked)
2. visit Baekhyun's granny's house.. lol, (pending)
Sorry cingu i can't read hangul. Lol
josmin01 The person asked "Isn't it Lay?" but idk why lol
Wonder if he's gone to Baekhyun granny's house after such a long time.
We need an update
This was his dream since then 🤣🤣🤣
Say something to fans in 12 words
Suho: always thankful and the ones I always love
Baek: For me, you're the being who gives me strength
D.O: they are the beings I cannot live without
Kai: The reason why we dance and sing
Xiumin: you're all mine who makes me growl
Lay: their existence heals me like moonlight
Chan: every moment I'm asleep or awake I love you
Chen: Thank you for always watching us
Luhan: you're like oxygen, so I love you
Sehun: I don't need anything else , our fans are the best
Tao: I want to continue to go on with you forever, it's you
Kris: EXO fans , I love you looking
Off topic but im your 101 like hehe🤎
I miss tao luhan and Kris istg😭
1Kyungsoo D.O 2 Kai A. Phuong 4 Lay Trung Quôc 5 Chen Kim Jung Dae 6 Xiumin Kim Min Seok 7 Luhan Trung Quốc 6 Kris Wu Trung Quôc
1Suho Kim Jung Myeon 2 ❤ 1:36 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyễn Sỹ Toân 3 ❤ 1:46 Do Kyungsoo D.O
D.O's voice is heaven ❤
I started loving EXO just because of D.O , he Have a amazing vocal, i am waiting so badly for his solo album.. love from India ❤️🇮🇳 love you D.O❤️
1Kim Jisoo Nguyên Gia Hân 2 Do Kyungsoo D.O
when tao says to kris don't be stressed out alone and share ur problems, it seems like its foreshadowing kris' departure. things were problematic since wolf era..we just didn't notice. I'm feeling so sad seeing kris and luhan.
kzaisar And now with Tao's, it's even more painful :(
so true :(
kzaisar I don't know if I have to feel happy cause they escaped the wrath of SM or if I should feel sad cause the group is breaking like this. This mix of feelings is what hurts most :(
this mixture of feelings plus the fear that even more members will leave because they are overworked, unwell and tired like baekyhun recently :/ I'm happy for those who left but sad for me who lost all these members and might lose more till sm stops acting cruel...
It hurts to say this, but it will take them loosing a whole, HUGE group like EXO for SM to learn their lesson. Little Bacon, the mood maker of the group :'( Watching him cry at the Exo'luxion concert was horrible :'(
디.오 사랑해😍
suho to lay, kai to d.o, baekhyun to chanyeol, luhan to sehun, then tao to kris HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH our ships befooore
I love D.O's voice~~
and so cute♥
Me too
Lay is an angel.. His comments to Xiumin makes my heart ache and warm at the same time
1Lay Trung Quôc 2 Xiumin Min Seok
Lay's honest talk, to Xiumin totally make me cried. Ah Xiumin, we love you just the way you're.
I hope you gain some weight again, but, since you love your body now, it's okay. Later, if you decide to gain your weight, i'll still love and support you.. :)
Actually, D.O has the BEST VOICE...
He voice is always the best. When he is not nervous or to tired he sound more stable. Even he is tired he still give his best when singing.
Look, all are the best okay, if you want to compare between them soo you aren't the real exo-l
Like, Baekhyun's voice is so nice too and Kyungsoo is the same, pls dont compare
And if I need to say soo my opinion is, Baekhyun is the best vocal not Kyungsoo, and really he is
@@heoyoorim1491 It was 7 years ago..They got better and better as years passed by..But in this video,it is so clear that among the vocalist,D.O's was the best which is understanble because he was trained longer than Beakhyun and Chen.
From this crowd to millions of fans. I hope those who were watching this on the audience are still supporting them. OT stan here
"저는 아무거나 입습니다
아무거나 입어도 사람이 멋있으면
됩니다" 와우 디오 멋지다♡♡
11Do Kyungsoo D.O 2 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 3 Suho Kim My Myun
Baek is a born entertainer. A happy, lively,energetic,fun,genius Idol. He is the same since then and now. He was meant for this. And on top of that being one of the best vocalist also a great dancer and performer who is pretty and handsome at the same time... look where he is now.. I’m so proud of him.
2024 and i'm still loving them. My EXO❤
. . D.O's voice is soo cool and soothing in my ears (yeah! You're handsome no matter what!!! Calmly low but clear. .and now i get it..soo 6 chinese boys and 6 korean boys!! Great!! at first glance you'll tought they're all korean. .hahaha. .kai's dance is precisely smooth and sexy. .lay's is powerfully snappy. .SEHUN killed me. ."a lot"!! Loves noona. .
this comment was 3 years ago but I still wanna clarify that chen and xiumin are koreans. they were only placed in EXO-M
It's my first time watching this and I discovered a lot about EXO's different sides. Honestly, I am touched about Lay's genuine kindness and amazing personality.
1Kyungsoo D.O 2 Zhang Yixingin Lay Trung Quôc
When they were saying small speeches together my KAISOO BAEKYEOL HUNHAN and TAORIS feels were on FIRE!!!
1Z. Tao Trung Quôc 2 Oh Sehun Hánh Quôc 3 Kai A. Phuong 4 Kris Trung Quôc 5 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 6 Luhan Trung Quôc
D.O voice wooooowwww i love it ........andi reallllly want to see him in too many drama and movies waww
1 Me Do Kyungsoo D.O
Can I just say that Lay is somehow underrated when it comes to dancing? I mean Kai is a great dancer, but I think what only makes the difference is their style and Kai's pose. Lay should also be considered as one of the best dancers of K-pop alongside Kai. Have never seen someone danced like him tbh. Such a talented man.
He is not my bias but is my favorite dancer, even when I didn't know who was who, he draw my attention. It's a shame he doesn't have many front position, solos or screentime, I think is more a thing about EXO-M versus Exo-K, if you paid attention, you can see how SM does a better job promoting members that were in Exo-K. Because of this I'm kind of happy that Lay is doing solo stuff.
@@ingrid6295 he even gets fewer lines than Kai even though he is a better singer
Even in the chinese versions, he has fewer lines than almost everyone and he is the only Chinese 🙄 Same with Xiumin, even Chanyeol often has more time in front positions in performances (even though he is not singing/rapping) or lines and he is not even on the dance / vocal line like Xiumin is and Chen doesn't have as much screen time as the other main vocalists ... Predebut, teaser, TV shows, radio shows, mv, they have always promoted Exo-K more, it bothers me that SM promotes the idea that X, Y, Z... are super talented and the best in the industry but treat others like fillers. I hope that Lay continues as a soloist, he would not have achieved even the half if he was promoting with Exo and I hope that Xiumin dedicates himself more to solo activities, like acting, musicales, it's the only way he can have exposure...
His dancing, singing is underrated in K pop but in China now he is a super star, when comes to dancing in EXO, Korean fans only remember Kai mostly of them. Well, favoritism always happen.
I literally grew up with them. Listening to their music, watching their reality shows and concerts. And them and I we both have grew so much as an individual and I'm proud of them and myself. Also so happy for our Chennie Chen Kim Jongdae becoming a father. I'm really proud of him actually. He got the guts to build a family much sooner than the other k-pop artists. It's not everyday we see a guy like him. Artists usually are scared of the consequences(can't blame them tho some saseangs are crazy)
The connection between kyungsoo and jongin is perfect >u<
KAISOOOOOOOOO~
1:13:31 SD: Do you wish that (BH teasing) he stop?
DO: But I can hit him back, so it’s fine.
LMAO. 😂😂😂
Hahahahahahahha
Baekhyun's vocals are amazing since debut!!
1Phan Thuy Tiên 2 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 3 Kim Jisoo Nguyên Gia Hân 4 Suho Kim My Myun
😂😂😂 EXO-M hyungs are savage (Xiumin, Luhan, and Kris). Kai, Sehun, and Suho got a mental brrakdown. KXL be like We are the hyungs here kids!!! 😂😂😂
1Kai A. Phuong 2 Kim Jennie 3 Oh Sehun Hánh Quôc 4 Kris Wu Trung Quôc 5 Kim Lisa 6 Suho Kim My Myun
lay is so deep and so thoughtful towards others
d,o and suho sounds the best live to me here
Kyungsoo looks so talkative here..and looks happy..what is wrong after..why he changed a lot..and get more shy and look stressful 😭😭
rumor said it because crazy fans abuse his privacy. Also after he is doing many acting jobs, some fans said he should not sing in EXO anymore. I think thats why he dont get many line today. Maybe after he comeback from military, he will produce his own solo album i guess.
and he traumatized by people who disliking him and gets scared with these people who expecting more of him, you can see it if youre observer and can read body language.
Finally, DO hyung can be his old self rn. U can watch special album and EXO Arcade Season 2.
U know, DO hyung wanna have a peaceful life but long time ago, people judge him so rudeness and also saessang (thats b****) make he traumatic.
But, its okay, u can look he before. Just watch the cb rn 🔥
I think it's because of the extreme sasaengs trauma to him and his members. I just read it.
Sasaeng made D.O trauma...
Baekhyun, Chanyeol ,kai n the rest of the members having the same stressful coz sasaeng till now...
@57:14 "We didn't know who you'd like, so we put all of them together." I STRONGLY AGREE! I thank LSM for that. All members blended so well, you'll have a hard time to pick ur Bias, all members are unique in their own way. The perfect kpop boy group-EXO!
1Lộc Hàm Luhan Trung Quốc 2 ❤ 8:26 Suho Kim Jung Myeon 3 ❤ 7:32 Zhang Yixing Lay Trung Quốc 4 ❤ 8:21 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyễn Sỹ Toân 5 ❤ 8:09 Do Kyungsoo D.O
Kyungsoo voice 💜
1Kyungsoo D.O 2 Luhan Trung Quôc
The thing that I feel touched. When Tao confess to Kris. That. Don't be alone when you're stressed out. I'm here for you. !!. Absolutely made my day. :)
1Kyungsoo D.O 2 Z. Tao Trung Quôc 3 Kris Wu Trung Quôc 04 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân
The legendary Growl Album that built the SM building. SM really chose the best members for EXO.
I love how Kris is always proud of his artwork :D
Rewatching this after 8 years. My love for them will never fade even after 100000 years
little bekkie on ur profile picture is so cute :'')
exol since 2012..but im still here loving and supporting exo..proud of myself^^
Why always lay is soo innocent...omg my heart💓
Luhan- cute
Kris- always so calm
Lay is so lovable, humble and innocent.. He reminded me of a younger Donghae from Suju.. ❤️
I know right. That's my impression in Lay when I first saw him.
24:28 Even the light that reflects from Suho's mic is synchronous with the word 'EXO'! Such a power this word holds ♥️♥️♥️🙌🙌 Bliss for our eyes🤩
1Kim Lisa 2 Suho Kim My Myun 3 Kai A. Phuong Kim Jennie 04 Oh Sehun Hánh Quôc
I can spot kaisoo, baeksoo, chanbaek, hunhan, taokris😍 and of course our leader line.
1Park Chanyeol Hánh Quôc 2 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân
1Kai A. Phuong 2 Kyugsoo D.O 3 Z. Tao Trung Quôc 3 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 4 Luhan Trung Quôc
EXO& D.O 💕💕💕💕💕
the way luhan said "saranghe" WAS SO DAMN CUTE
deer han lost in his own world
all of their answers to what they would like to say to their fans are so cute and heart warming..hehe
i miss ot12
솔직히 이때 크리스.루한.타오는 왜 탈퇴했을까 싶을정도로 분위기도 좋았고 우민이는 더 귀여웠었고 준면이는 더 잘 웃었고 찬열이.백현이.첸은 더 비글이었고 종인이.레이는 춤 잘췄고 세훈이는 더 귀여웠고 경수는 더 활기찼었다.. 그리고 요즘 애들이 얼마나 더 노력했는지가 보일정도로 실력이 늘었는데 애들이 왜 더 욕을먹고 한물갔다는 얘기를 듣는지 모르겠다.. 크리스.루한.타오는 얼마나 힘들으면 탈퇴했을지, 그리고 경수는 저 당시에 목상태가 안좋았었는데 얼마나 말을 많이하려고 노력했을지..준면이는 멤버들힘든거 다 들어주면서 얼마나 속이 상했을지..비글들이 항상웃으려고 얼마나 노력했을지..애들이 춤을 얼마나 연습했을지 알지도 못하면서 애들 욕하는 사람들 진짜 이해 안간다. 저때 데뷔하고 얼마 안됐던 신인들인데 뭘 더 바라는지.. 그래도 내 눈에는 다 이쁜듯..
와.. 인정합니다
진짜 인정입니다
크리스는 말도 없이 나간 셋 중 한 명이고요, 뭐 루한은 멤버들끼리 상의하고 나갔고요. 타오는 뭐 배신이죠ㅋㅅㅋ.. 타오는 아육대 발목 부상을 핑계로 엑소를 잠시 쉬다 탈퇴했습니다. 타오의 아버님이 걱정? 된다고 못하게 했지요. 그리고 타오는 탈퇴하고 중국 가서 솔로 데뷔를 했는데 그 가사 안에 엑소와 함께 했던 시간이 아깝다는 등 많은 비하 가사?가 있었던 걸로 기억합니다. 엑소는 원래 9명데뷔고 그런 세명은 존재하지도 않았어요ㅎㅅㅎ
여김정순 와 ... 크리스는 말도 없이 나간 거였어요 ???
ALWAYS REMEMBER MY LOVES,
KRIS, TAO, LUHAN, LAY, CHEN, XIUMIN, SUHO, SEHUN, CHANYEOL, D.O., KAI AND BAEKHYUN I WILL ALWAYS BE PROUD OF YOU GUYS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND I AM PROUD ON HOW YOU BECAME THE PERSON YOU ARE TODAY! ♥️
1Kai A. Phuong 2 Kris Wu Trung Quôc 3 Lay Trung Quôc 4 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 5 Luhan Trung Quôc
1Chen Kim Jung Dae 2 Xiumin Kim Min Seok 3 Byun Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 4 Park Chanyeol Hánh Quôc
best soulless clapping demonstrated by D.O. and CHEN
Tao: I want to continue to go on with you forever
//cries//
Kai always sitting beside D.O :3
우리 경수 이때는 많이 웃고 밝았는데 이제는 많이 웃지도 않고 더 조용해지고 목소리도 더 낮아진 느낌이 든다.. 많이 힘들었겠지 .. 제발 엑소 꽃길만 걷자
Although Luhan and Xiumin are very handsome (all 12 of them are actually), I wish they'd be recognized more for their talent. Especially Xiumin and Lay :)
BAEKHYUN NOW IS JUST THE SAME AS BACK THEN BOTH HIS LOOK AND HIS ANGELIC VOICE.
1Me Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân
Vocal kings even on their rookie days! ❤
22:02 continuously repeating kyungsoo's yeah 😍😍😍
예전 모습들이 확실히 많이 웃고 장난 쳤던건 맞는거 같긴한데. 지금 그렇지 않은걸 굳이 안타깝거나 슬프게만 볼건 아닌거 같은데... 저땐 거의 신인때였고 지금은 이미 아이돌 데뷔 7년차 중견인데 ㅋ 카메라를 대하는 자세가 당연히 바뀌는거 아닌가. 나이도 한창 철 없던 20대 초반에서 벗어나 중반을 넘어섰고 그간 사회 생활에 겪은건 또 오죽 많겠어. 더 성숙했다고, 컸다고 그리 봐주는 것도 좋을듯. 큰 사고 없이 더 자라다오 엑소들아!
그렇네요 잘크고 있는거죠
이젠 성숙해져서 더멋져진거라봅니다
ㅇㅈ
I can't take off my eyes on yixing ~ he dance well sing well~ he really deserve to a solo album !
and he is releasing his solo album :)
Yes 😍 my bias ❤
I never knew this existed😢😢 SM should have done this kind of shows more with exo...
lol kyungsoo was mad that he was drawn so short
My beautiful children, they were talented babys, now they are more talented and handsome men. Take care of yourselves and I await your return to the stage.
"When they gather, their dreams shine brighter."
EXO forever!
Omo when kris and Tao came up during "Lucky" ~
SM you can't erase the memories of ot12 ..they're still in our heart
I love Tao & Kris's introduction xD Duizhang's art was too cute!
탈퇴한 4명의 멤버가 있었던 때이네요.
정말 푸르고 멋진 여름날의 추억이네요.
Lay is so thoughtful and sweet
He's still in the group :/
He is still exo
And he will be always
LAY IS EXO
He’s still and always will be in the group
Thank you Yixing for being who you are. I am always grateful to have you, your innocent soul and kindest heart is so pure and genuine. I love you, always. 😭💗💜
We are so lucky to have him 😊 my Ulimate Bias Lay ❤
tbh EXO-M was superior in many respects. I value(d) all 12, but no one had the voice like Luhan, the multiple language skills like Kris, the martial arts like Tao. And Yixing could do it all; he has the voice, which he uses creatively, the personality (that is best among them all, Luhan's personality was stellar too). He can do so much! They all could. The harmony was better too. Such a shame SM couldn't respect that and treated the members poorly. Wish they could have been a better company, but their racial bias really showed with the Chinese members. :(
Im here to celebrate 8th year anniversary of my boys 🎉🎊💕💕
52:18 - 52:25 OMG HOW CUTE CAN KYUNGSOO AND CHEN OPPA GET *o*
I WILL NEVER REGRET STANNING THIS 12 AMAZING PERSONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS TO BE PROUDOF ㅠㅠ FROM TALENTS, PERSONALITIES, VISUALS THEY GOT IT ALL. ALWAYS OT12 IN MY HEART, FOREVER ♥️ THANKYOU FOR MAKING ME HAPPY AND KEEPING ME INSPIRED DURING MY TEENAGE YEARS UP UNTIL NOW, THANK YOU FOR COMPLETING MY YOUNGER YEARS. ♥️
D. O. JUST BE MINE ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Its 2021! I am still here watching them singing beautifully! EXO, KINGS OF KPOP!
2020 i come here cz Kris Wu Yifan.
samee
Kai and Taemin always speak of each other - so cute :3
걍 옛날 추억이 난다.. 하지만 지금은 누가 뭐래도 엑소는 9명
지금의 엑소를 더 사랑하자구요❤❤
EXO💖☕💕💛💜💍👰💘🏩❤♥💙❤💓🌹
EXO💖☕💘❤💍👰💛💖🏩💖💘❤
EXO🍱💘😘💛🍝💜💖💚😘☕💜💖❤💛🍦
EXO🍱❤💚💜🌹☕🍦🍝❤💛💘😘😍🏖💖💙💖💘❤💘😘
Who's with me this 2020?
There is no eng sub in quiz time ? Do you have pls reply here HUHU
Xiu Xiu 99 7 years later....time flies ❤️❤️❤️ and my love hasn’t changed for them
LET'S WAIT FOR THEM UNTIL THEY COMEBACK AGAIN💗
same with me..there's no engsub during quiz timeㅠㅠ
Im forever stan Exo and i Will be wait for COMEBACK Exo Again ♥️
Los seguire esperando hasta el 2025!!!
Oh my, their group introduction even has a tone.
저때는 내가 왜 엑소를 몰랐을까...ㅠ 도경수.. 진짜 꽃미남이었네 지금도 귀엽고 잘생겼고 섹시하고..^^♡♡
이영상은 볼때마다 잘웃는 경수가 너무 눈물이 난다
무슨 감정인지는 모르겠지만 너무 마음이 아프다
지금의 엑소도 건제하지만 이때는 더 밝고 활기찬게 눈에 띄게 느껴진다
다시 돌아가길바라는건 아니지만 그저 지금의 엑소멤버들이 힘을 냈으면 좋겠다.
늘 뒤에서 엑소엘이 응원하고있다는걸 잊지 않아줬으면좋겠다
(물론 엑소는 늘 그누구보다 엑소엘을 더 잘안다는걸 알고 있다)
Not that I wish KrisHanTao to come back to EXO since they're doing better with their career but for someone who didn't witness OT12, I hope that a collab is still possible. Or even a little interaction would do. I just really hope they can still rekindle their friendship :'(
참 그때나 지금이나 D.O. 목소리는 감미롭다♡ 저때도 멋졌지만 군대간 지금은 더 멋지다. 경수야 외롭고 힘든 긴시간들 잘견디고 이겨내줘서 고맙다.
앞으로도 우리들과 항상 함께하자
kris oppa´s rap part on the song lucky wwas awesome
2020 in quarantine times... missing ot12 tears falling down... I miss them😑😔😯😢😭
everyone else : i want to collaborate with sunbaenim __
yixing : i want to have a meal with teacher lee soo man. it's on me
HAHAHAH
Watching this, i have realized how much they have improved!! They are getting older and it is getting sadder when I think they would eventually focus on their personal lives.
Lay is too precious for this cruel world
I cant believe I just watched the whole thing. XD That soulless clapping at 52:18 though. Also is it just me or did Xiumin seem really down? And Kai seemed so offended by Xiumin too...Lay is really thoughtful though, I know he forgets a ton but still he's sweet.
Thank you Shindong for not forgetting to mention the Chinese Line! Thank you for appreciating the Kings of China!
Still OT12 at 2021!
Lay is really the funniest guy ever 😭
Watching this while the new starcast for call me baby is broadcasting live and remembering the old times when all 12 of them of here...
52:26 "he did vry well" and soulless stare 😂😂😂
Chanyeol: Ouch
Kris: Sorry
Had me dying
3:48 Kris drawing so cute 😆 hoping someday, they'll reunite for the last concert or reunion concert of Exo in the future 🙏
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I dont think so...