Since this video came up, Tenacious Maiden Noel went from $15 to $25 and Ranunculus of Searing Heart Ahsha went from $35 to $50 Now I'm not saying it was because of me but it IS a bit coincidental that they spiked right after this video was uploaded
Bryan Sayo it's not so much bloom that's good it's the interaction between the ability to clone to trigger the bloom and the fact that Noel gets to hit for the back row
The units share the names not the skills Bloom is an ability that activates when you have 2 or more cards on the field with the same name. Sharing names makes those abilities happen easier, in theory.
The stand trigger you can do more than one time, instead of drawing one you draw and return cards equal to the amount of times it bloomed. That why it been limited in Japan.
Jose Vidals Jr Thats wrong. While technically speaking it DOES gain the ability multiple times, the cost of the ability is "put this unit on the bottom of the deck," and since you are physically incapable of putting one copy to the bottom multiple times, you cant pay the cost multiple times, so you cant get multiple draws Lizbeth was limited because neo nectar/ahsha has a MUCH higher tournament presence in japan than in the tcg, so even before Inverno dropped more people were running lizbeth, and theres theoretically a way to do an actual infinite loop so a lot of people stalled for time like with Angel feather. Refros was limited because of infinite loops, and since angels had enough player presence enough people stalled that it got limited.
Technically when you see the symbol that says [0] it is as stated: Generation Break 1:[0] Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you do, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. Return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card.". There is a period at the start of the ability, if you do return a card you can return up to four copies of it. After that is explain there is a period. Then a new sentence for it second ability, is active, there is no need to do the first action, it will have said "If you do.." As a condition for second sentence action, unfortunately it not a condition it another action you can do. Without paying it cost.
Jose Vidals Jr In vanguard you cant interrupt abilities. You have to see an ability through to completion (or as much as you can) before you start another one. Lets say lizbeth bloomed 10 times, so it has 10 of that ability. You pay [0] cost, take up to 4 copies of a normal unit, move it to the deck. Then you move her to the deck (mandatory part of the ability) shuffle the deck, and draw. Now that lizbeth is back in the deck, you cant use its RC ability since its not there anymote You cant return one normal unit, shuffle and draw, and do that for each bloom it had and THEN move lizbeth back. Returning to the deck is part of the ability, so you can only resolve it once Periods dont mean second ability. The only thing in vanguard that means a second "new" ability is red text and "Then" clauses. Periods mean nothing and are literally just a grammatical tool Also, even if it WAS a separate ability, the requirement for getting the draw is returning to the deck, and since you cant return her to the deck multiple times, you cant draw multiple times
Jose Vidals Jr The second sentence isnt an ability. All abilities are proceeded by ACT, AUTO, and CONT. It doesnt matter if its a separate sentence. You start by paying 0 cost, choosing up to 4, and returning them to the deck. You have to declare paying the 0 cost before you can do anything. After the optional return normal units to deck, you return lizbeth, and then you draw. That is one ability. You cannot return up to 4, and draw for each time it bloomed, because the return to deck is mandatory and you need to complete the skill. Even if it WAS a different ability, and it said "when you call another copy of Lizbeth, choose 5 copies of Lizbeth and they gain "Act: once per turn target up to 4 copies of one card in drop and shuffle them into the deck" and they gain "Act: [Return this unit to the deck] Shuffle your deck, and draw one card" You would only be able to draw one, because you are physically incapable of putting it into the deck more than once. It doesnt matter how many times it bloomed and it doesnt matter that its a separate sentence. You can only get one single draw And as ive said earlier, Lizbeth was limited in OCG because it created an infinite loop like Refros, and Ahsha had enough player presence of players trying to stall for time in japan, so Bushi saw it necessary to restrict lizbeth. Lizbeth isn't restricted here because not enough people play ahsha for bushiroad to be warranted into restricting it. It wasn't restricted for multiple draws because thats not a thing players are allowed to do. If you or a friend has been playing it this way, then its been played wrong
because of ida you can actually do and actual infinite loop with any stride and can do 4 attacks if primavera with infinite power with green shot or anelma just like refros but no deck out and can still survive
Nexus Corps Really? Thats great. I happen to say this at Trade Card Online but everyone says like Lizbeth is banned in every way. Then its useless to have a card like Lizbeth then
because Noel gives power to every card in the same column when she blooms, not just herself, which is why Ahsha gets power Ahsha isnt blooming with lizbeth, shes just getting power from Noel blooming off of lizbeth
my neo nectar deck consists this, is there anything I should take out or change? Grade 0 Augury Maiden Ida - (starter) Color pixie, quitterie x 4- (heal) Cosmos Pixie, Lisbeth x 4 - (stand) Flower Garden Maiden, Mylis x 4- (Crit) Maiden of Dimorphous x 2- (Crit) Maiden of Daybreak x 1 - (stand) Maden of Morning Glory x 1 - (stand) Grade 1 Flower Keeper Dragon x4- (PG) Trust Maiden, Odette x 4 Pure Maiden, Katrina x 4 Padmini x2 - (SF) Grade 2 Flower Maiden, Anelma x4 Tenacious Maiden, Noel x4 Ideal Maide, Thuria x 3 Grade 3 Ranunculus flower maiden, Ahsha x 4 Ranunculus of Searing Heart, Ahsha x 4
Santiago Cortes Thats wrong. Inverno states "When your unit is placed on RC, you may pay the cost. If you do, choose one of your units with the bloom ability, search your deck for up to 2 cards with the same card name as that unit, reveal them, add them to your hand, and shuffle your deck" The reason this works with Thuria is because Inverno doesn't specify that you have to call a bloom unit. I see that I made that mistake and thabk you for pointing it out, but because you can use inverno to target lizbeth and not thuria, you can add 2 lizbeths to hand for the same over all effect (adding 2, moving 2 to deck, and drawing 2) so while I misrepresented it, the overall game state remains the same. Thanks for pointing out the error, and I Hope this clears everything up!
(different account same person) We shot this the day after I got my cards in the mail, and I had minimal knowledge on the loop before hand so this video was honestly a very rough shot of it since I hadn't practiced the loop itself, or with the support as a whole lol
you need to remember to choose a normal unit in drop zone with lizbeths bloom as well as putting her back as you seemed to not do that a few times to get the draw
EHeroPrisma aka Bladedge83 Actually, you dont HAVE to put a normal unit in Lizbet says "Choose one normal unit in your drop zone. Choose UP TO 4 copies, and shuffle them into deck" Vanguard ruling confirms "up to" allows for 0 since 4 isnt mandatory
"[ACT](RC) Generation Break 1:[0] Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you chose a card, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. Return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card.". There's no "If you do". You choose a normal unit from you drop, then you pick up to 4 (being 0) and return them. After you returned all copies you chose (being 0), you return Lizbeth to deck and draw. Even if there WAS an "If you do" clause, you still satisfy the requirement because "up to 4" counts 0. You return all the copies you want (0) and then do Lizbeth. The only way it could be worded to force you to return at least 1 copy, it would say "Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you chose a card, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. IF YOU RETURNED ONE OR MORE COPIES, return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card"
^^^^^^ Can we be friends please? 1. Same sense of suffering and anguish towards Ahsha 2. YGO Arc-V Reference 3. Stale memes I want to be friends with you
Skip to 5:36 for SW Prequel Meme
Since this video came up, Tenacious Maiden Noel went from $15 to $25 and Ranunculus of Searing Heart Ahsha went from $35 to $50
Now I'm not saying it was because of me but it IS a bit coincidental that they spiked right after this video was uploaded
Just coincidential shenanigans with planets alignment and a bunch of stupid card sellers.
Yea a bit annoying that I needed a play set of Noel and now have to pay $80 for it
That was amazing. Still not playing Neo Nectar though.
this is why I love my ahsha and bloom
Same I use ahsha neo nectar too and it's freaking awesome
OMG WHEN YOU PUT IT THAT WAY BLOOM SO GOOD IT'S DISGUSTING
Bryan Sayo it's not so much bloom that's good it's the interaction between the ability to clone to trigger the bloom and the fact that Noel gets to hit for the back row
Hey Gabe I use ahsha neo nectar and I want to become a clan leader like you. Do you have any tips on what cards I should run for the tournaments
btw how did you get the music i love it ?
Google Cardfight Vanguard G Soundtrack
Ok I'm super confused.how does Ida's skill work?(the units having the same card names)do the units have the same skills or nah??
The units share the names not the skills
Bloom is an ability that activates when you have 2 or more cards on the field with the same name. Sharing names makes those abilities happen easier, in theory.
Dont the last two Noels inherit the red text from Lizbeth since its still a Noel?
no the lizbeth states the called card need to be called lizbeth
Russell Quinn Yeah, but you can choose not to use the red text from Lizbeth.
I have seen the true power
of NN
The stand trigger you can do more than one time, instead of drawing one you draw and return cards equal to the amount of times it bloomed. That why it been limited in Japan.
Jose Vidals Jr
Thats wrong. While technically speaking it DOES gain the ability multiple times, the cost of the ability is "put this unit on the bottom of the deck," and since you are physically incapable of putting one copy to the bottom multiple times, you cant pay the cost multiple times, so you cant get multiple draws
Lizbeth was limited because neo nectar/ahsha has a MUCH higher tournament presence in japan than in the tcg, so even before Inverno dropped more people were running lizbeth, and theres theoretically a way to do an actual infinite loop so a lot of people stalled for time like with Angel feather. Refros was limited because of infinite loops, and since angels had enough player presence enough people stalled that it got limited.
Technically when you see the symbol that says [0] it is as stated: Generation Break 1:[0] Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you do, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. Return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card.". There is a period at the start of the ability, if you do return a card you can return up to four copies of it. After that is explain there is a period. Then a new sentence for it second ability, is active, there is no need to do the first action, it will have said "If you do.." As a condition for second sentence action, unfortunately it not a condition it another action you can do. Without paying it cost.
Jose Vidals Jr
In vanguard you cant interrupt abilities. You have to see an ability through to completion (or as much as you can) before you start another one.
Lets say lizbeth bloomed 10 times, so it has 10 of that ability. You pay [0] cost, take up to 4 copies of a normal unit, move it to the deck. Then you move her to the deck (mandatory part of the ability) shuffle the deck, and draw. Now that lizbeth is back in the deck, you cant use its RC ability since its not there anymote
You cant return one normal unit, shuffle and draw, and do that for each bloom it had and THEN move lizbeth back. Returning to the deck is part of the ability, so you can only resolve it once
Periods dont mean second ability. The only thing in vanguard that means a second "new" ability is red text and "Then" clauses. Periods mean nothing and are literally just a grammatical tool
Also, even if it WAS a separate ability, the requirement for getting the draw is returning to the deck, and since you cant return her to the deck multiple times, you cant draw multiple times
Again, because it has a symbol [0]
Jose Vidals Jr
The second sentence isnt an ability. All abilities are proceeded by ACT, AUTO, and CONT. It doesnt matter if its a separate sentence. You start by paying 0 cost, choosing up to 4, and returning them to the deck. You have to declare paying the 0 cost before you can do anything. After the optional return normal units to deck, you return lizbeth, and then you draw. That is one ability. You cannot return up to 4, and draw for each time it bloomed, because the return to deck is mandatory and you need to complete the skill.
Even if it WAS a different ability, and it said "when you call another copy of Lizbeth, choose 5 copies of Lizbeth and they gain "Act: once per turn target up to 4 copies of one card in drop and shuffle them into the deck" and they gain "Act: [Return this unit to the deck] Shuffle your deck, and draw one card"
You would only be able to draw one, because you are physically incapable of putting it into the deck more than once. It doesnt matter how many times it bloomed and it doesnt matter that its a separate sentence. You can only get one single draw
And as ive said earlier, Lizbeth was limited in OCG because it created an infinite loop like Refros, and Ahsha had enough player presence of players trying to stall for time in japan, so Bushi saw it necessary to restrict lizbeth. Lizbeth isn't restricted here because not enough people play ahsha for bushiroad to be warranted into restricting it. It wasn't restricted for multiple draws because thats not a thing players are allowed to do. If you or a friend has been playing it this way, then its been played wrong
because of ida you can actually do and actual infinite loop with any stride and can do 4 attacks if primavera with infinite power with green shot or anelma just like refros but no deck out and can still survive
Inverno? How about InverNOPE
Nociel's Bow and Arrow ノキエル ok
I did this combo before these guys did.
THE M E M E S
shiiiii how much is the updated neo deck cost?
When you say updated, do you mean JUST the Try 3 support or a 100% complete deck using Try3 and the previous support?
Can you make some clip how to use vitamin loop 🥳
great video,but now that Lizbeth is banned,is there any other way to do this loop?
Lizbeth isn't banned in English format :^)
Nexus Corps Really? Thats great. I happen to say this at Trade Card Online but everyone says like Lizbeth is banned in every way. Then its useless to have a card like Lizbeth then
Here's the list. See for yourself
cf-vanguard.com/en/howto/fighters_rules/
Why does the Ahsha on the left bloom with Lizbeth? I get lost there :c
because Noel gives power to every card in the same column when she blooms, not just herself, which is why Ahsha gets power
Ahsha isnt blooming with lizbeth, shes just getting power from Noel blooming off of lizbeth
Ohh okay, I get it! Thanks ^^ Sorry I'm still learning Neo Nectar xD
my neo nectar deck consists this, is there anything I should take out or change?
Grade 0
Augury Maiden Ida - (starter)
Color pixie, quitterie x 4- (heal)
Cosmos Pixie, Lisbeth x 4 - (stand)
Flower Garden Maiden, Mylis x 4- (Crit)
Maiden of Dimorphous x 2- (Crit)
Maiden of Daybreak x 1 - (stand)
Maden of Morning Glory x 1 - (stand)
Grade 1
Flower Keeper Dragon x4- (PG)
Trust Maiden, Odette x 4
Pure Maiden, Katrina x 4
Padmini x2 - (SF)
Grade 2
Flower Maiden, Anelma x4
Tenacious Maiden, Noel x4
Ideal Maide, Thuria x 3
Grade 3
Ranunculus flower maiden, Ahsha x 4
Ranunculus of Searing Heart, Ahsha x 4
Add some grade 4 go with selfina, inverno, sacred tree dragon resonate dragon and some g-guards
Did you ever wish you could play Storm without any interruptions? Now you can! Math is real.
Man these were the days 😔
Back when Lizbeth was legal, lol
LMAO this is exactly me when I use this loop and every time my friend sees this he grabs his phone cause lol he knows Im gonna be taking a while
Same
isnt that stand trigger got banned so you can put only one of it in the deck?
In Japanese format, yes. English format, no
new cf wanting to join the game: "wow this games shit"
TwistedDeath 63x
This is a man of culture
if glow in neo players happen we know who to blame;)
MrMoonkoh
Thats what ive been trying to do for 5 years ;)
but wait...how did searing heart gain bloom?..
It has the bloom ability.
_LoveMyAnime_ also Noel blooms, not Ahsha
o god, i hear the sadness voice
But you can't target thuria with inverno, inverno's skill is only for Bloom units
Santiago Cortes
Thats wrong. Inverno states "When your unit is placed on RC, you may pay the cost. If you do, choose one of your units with the bloom ability, search your deck for up to 2 cards with the same card name as that unit, reveal them, add them to your hand, and shuffle your deck"
The reason this works with Thuria is because Inverno doesn't specify that you have to call a bloom unit. I see that I made that mistake and thabk you for pointing it out, but because you can use inverno to target lizbeth and not thuria, you can add 2 lizbeths to hand for the same over all effect (adding 2, moving 2 to deck, and drawing 2) so while I misrepresented it, the overall game state remains the same.
Thanks for pointing out the error, and I Hope this clears everything up!
Yes thanks :) that's what i meant
(different account same person)
We shot this the day after I got my cards in the mail, and I had minimal knowledge on the loop before hand so this video was honestly a very rough shot of it since I hadn't practiced the loop itself, or with the support as a whole lol
Gabe Feldinger Wait, but what happens when you target Noel but you also had Thuria who name copied each other due to Ida's effect? Wouldn't it work?
Impossible to do in Japanese version. :P
you need to remember to choose a normal unit in drop zone with lizbeths bloom as well as putting her back as you seemed to not do that a few times to get the draw
EHeroPrisma aka Bladedge83
Actually, you dont HAVE to put a normal unit in
Lizbet says "Choose one normal unit in your drop zone. Choose UP TO 4 copies, and shuffle them into deck"
Vanguard ruling confirms "up to" allows for 0 since 4 isnt mandatory
its more the if you do part in between the two parts you mentioned
"[ACT](RC) Generation Break 1:[0] Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you chose a card, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. Return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card.".
There's no "If you do". You choose a normal unit from you drop, then you pick up to 4 (being 0) and return them. After you returned all copies you chose (being 0), you return Lizbeth to deck and draw. Even if there WAS an "If you do" clause, you still satisfy the requirement because "up to 4" counts 0. You return all the copies you want (0) and then do Lizbeth.
The only way it could be worded to force you to return at least 1 copy, it would say "Choose a normal unit from your drop zone. If you chose a card, choose up to four cards with the same card name as that card from your drop zone, and return them to your deck. IF YOU RETURNED ONE OR MORE COPIES, return this unit to your deck, shuffle your deck, and draw a card"
I wanna die now ...
Grace Tyler
Same tbh
Gabe Feldinger Gabe I spent 450$ on asha
why am I even alive
Grace Tyler
👏You 👏Dont👏Know👏Suffering👏Until👏You👏Complete 👏An👏Ahsha👏Deck
jesus christ ... i almost felt bad for you till i read your name, you deserve worse for being a stale meme tbh
^^^^^^
Can we be friends please?
1. Same sense of suffering and anguish towards Ahsha
2. YGO Arc-V Reference
3. Stale memes
I want to be friends with you
"Loop makes healthy meta"
Yeaaah
Well Link Joker says hi if it wasn't for Link Joker that's what everyone would see loops and big rushes.
You mean if it wasn’t for the ban list :^)
@@NexusCorps na Link Joker saved lives ironically slowing down Vanguard to it's original pace.
This video didn't age well. Lisbeth is now limited to 1 copy per deck.
G as a whole didn't age well.
noel+lizbeth and then noel+ lizbeth again,again and AGAIN
To me it look like that card deck is broken