You have given me so much insight into “talent”. In my own experience, my life long ambition was to be an artist like my daddy, who was a commercial decorator and lettering artist. I was encouraged and complemented by teachers from kindergarten on, also by other people, but never by my parents. I won an art contest in ninth grade. I was so proud. My father went to the high school, with me in tow, to tell the high school guidance counselor that I was not allowed to take any art courses in high school. I just accepted this as “I was not good enough”. It did not stop me from drawing and painting, it just was never acknowledged. My father wanted something “better for me”. I managed to sneak in one art course in college and was praised. Throughout my adult working life, I took workshops as I could afford them. Praise came from my children and other workshop participants, but I continued to feel “not good enough”. I’m retired now, sold a few things, I draw and paint everyday. I still feel not good enough, but some how, your video opened a new mindset for me. I am grateful to you for giving me the psychological confidence and understanding that all artists have their own style and for the first time, I do feel good enough. Thank you.
Your comment made me cry 😓 I’m sorry your parents didn’t encourage you. I’m happy that you paint and draw every day. 😊 This was a very thoughtful video for sure! Peace be with you ❤☮️
I 100% agree. I was always turned off with people saying I was talented, because of my art. For the exact same reasons you expressed. I would argue that people who are better at something, might have some aspect of their makeup, that may give them an edge, but generally speaking, there is so much hard work that goes on behind the scenes. Thank you for this video.
The issue is that even those who appear to be better at something can also learn not to be. For example, my parents and some of my extended family used to stroke my ego as a kid, saying I was talented in art, just because as with most children, any scribble or coloring in a coloring book at their encouragement was considered art to them. Honestly, art holds no interest for me but as with most, I loved the attention. Eventually that wore thin and my innate indifference to art finally came out. I realized I didn’t have to continue in a job which was both boring and ironically stressful, due to people pestering me to do art. Think stage parent but with art. When I eventually quit the art profession, I was expecting support but instead, I got nothing but backlash and judgment. In either case, I moved on from that job and got into my real passion and interest which is music. I still get derision from family from time to time, telling me I’m wasting my life on music which they say I’m not talented in, but I don’t care anymore. I’m glad to now be doing my passion and sing and play music. The irony is that now when someone tries to get me to do any form of art, they found out I couldn’t draw or paint or do any art anymore. It gives me such joy that I’m now freed of art. So yes, a boring talent can eventually die off when you don’t give a damn about it - even if you force yourself to put in effort. Praise Jesus! God bless!
This is so true. I thought it was talent for artists and my dad would say you're not good enough so i6s gave up. Anyway, I've consistency stuck at it and I've come on so much in 18 months and continue to improve I'm now going to study art and design in september ✨️
Thank you for sharing this. It is something everybody should be aware of. I learnt this lesson myself 10 years ago when I went back to an old school reunion and had a long conversation with the art teacher. He told me that of the last group of students only one achieved a Grade A in their final exam, and I expressed my amazement because the all the work on display was, in my opinion, of diploma standard, from 17 and 18-year-olds. He said, "All the rest of the students achieved A+." I remarked on how talented they all were, and he said exactly what you have said in this video. He said that none of them had any previous art experience when they came into his class. There was one student in the previous year who considered herself to have "natural talent" and she ended up being the worst of the group, resting on her laurels and not putting in the work that the rest did. So I agree with you that the label "talented" can be very limiting. All this stayed with me, and now that I am at the beginning of an online art course and putting in the work under really good direction, I am experiencing this for myself. Drawing has always been my weakest area, which is why I have signed up for the drawing course, so that I can learn how to do it properly, through observation and practice, and I am already totally amazed at what I am achieving - I can't believe I'm actually drawing like this!! I do a lot of different activities - art, music, pursuing interests in science and technology, nutrition and cooking, current events, Bible study, etc. etc., and have often been complimented as being "talented" and this hasn't sat very comfortably with me. In all these activities I have put in a great deal of work and practice and study time. I have done mixed media projects - interactive book making and other stuff, and also making art from recycled materials and junk, for years, and getting results which do cause people to say "wow" and go on about my "talent," but I just put it down to thinking outside the box and constantly asking myself, "Can I make art out of this?" My hubby and I have a running joke abou this - every time I say it, he says, "NO!" which I take as a challenge to prove him wrong! I just think I have a slightly weird way of looking at the world, which has increased as I have trained myself to see pattern and texture everywhere. I take photos of unusual stuff when out and about. Most people photograph family members and views, but I photograph door hinges, tree bark, rust... My family think I'm really weird!
THANK YOU !! I tell people this all the time when they call me a talented artist or photographer, and I try to explain to them that I have worked hard for my 'skills' and I'm not talented....but they don't believe me....Finally a video I can share that hopefully enlightens them!!!
It is not just a talent but a skill. I was told in grade school that I had no talent for art. Believed it and looking back my grades in art class were poor because of that belief. In my 50’s I began exploring art. I took classes, continue to take classes and dedicate time to developing my skill. I have through hard work developed a skill and now paint with acrylic’s beautiful paintings. I continue to work on developing my skill in drawing.
This is a one-sided way of looking at it. Talent does exist and some people are more talented than others. You are right in stressing out that practice is the key to success, and most definitely that it is important to have supportive parents, but people with a natural talent do exist. The question is whether they get chances in life, whether they have supportive parents. To me, it seems incredibly unfair that less talented children grow up to be successful because they got a lot of training, while talented children who didn't get the training were not allowed to grow.
I agree, this is one-sided. While good points are made here it suggest to viewers they ignore the fact that there are people who genuinely have a natural skill - period. YOU may not have talent - but others do. Sorry if it offends, upsets, or threatens some egos but it is what it is. That society elects to call it *talent* is semantics. Who said people with talent don't work hard? Whether one is naturally talented, or acquire talent with practice and patience, they have to take the time to grow their skillset and hone their craft. There's no need for anyone to feel threatened by the idea others are naturally skilled, it doesn't mean you have none, or are less valued. It simply means while we're all born different we can achieve great things given time and honest effort. Something about this thought of "no one is talented" smacks a lot of humanistic ego. The deliberate *choice* to take offense at talent by some artists really make me wonder about the general ingratitude of us humans. Unless we can take all credit for everything, we're not satisfied. Ego and ingratitude are beasts, and not in a good way. The truth is, unless God grants anyone the gift to pick up a brush, pencil or whatever, with their hands, feet or mouth, unless HE grants us the ability to see, and the ability to reason and learn - *none* of us would be artists. So if you don't want to be called talented can you at least acknowledge the fact that no amount of hard work, or practice can be done without Him? I actually had a fellow artist take offense when I gave honor to God for allowing me to pursue my art journey! 🤨He immediately said, but it was YOU who worked hard! Okay, but could I have if I didn't have the requisite parts or ability to understand, retain what I learn, and knowledge to implement it? And some of these comments! 🤔I just don't get how people are put off by being complimented as being talented. It's odd. And quite frankly, ungrateful to the one giving the compliment! It doesn't mean you don't work hard! Logic suggest it's necessary. A person who has a natural bent for art, mechanics, science or math (whatever), still has to study, practice and sacrifice if they want to achieve varying degrees of success. Next time someone takes the time to tell you you're talented, be humble and simply say thank you. You ARE talented, because you took the time to acquire it.
@@rebekah1362 Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you said. The worst part of all of this, in my opinion, is that hard work is seen as more worth than talent these days. Why doesn't talent count in itself? For me, talent is the ultimate blessing, and I admire people who have true natural talent. People who, driven by ambition, try to compensate their lack of talent by working hard, don't impress me at all, no matter how far they make it in life. But I seem to be alone with my opinion. People with no talent but a lot of diligence and tenacity are being appreciated in today's society, I just don't agree.
@@tentativesuggestionso a person with "talent" but maybe does nothing with it or squndders opportunities is to be revered over the person that works hard and maybe dedicates a life pursuit to leaning or mastering a skill.?? Can't a person that works hard create their own talent through learning and practice or in you opinion it sounds like you have to be born with talent? Why can't those people be appreciated for their hard work, that person may have more love and passion for what they are working so very hard on then the person with a "born talent" I guess my point is here theres nothing wrong with putting in hard work and learning, if you happen to excel over they person with "born talent" that's how the chips fall..maybe the person with "born talent" needs to work harder. If you don't nurture the gift given to you it doesn't grow.
I agree with the first part. Some people are more talented than others. Now, that being said, I am a former figure skater and I wasn't talented at all. I was, however, pretty much obsessed with it and would practice about 5 hours a day 6 days a week. The guilt I felt for not being talented is incredible, like you said, what if someone more talented was in my place? I felt like I was stealing resources from that abstract person by trying hard. But the truth is, I wasn't, I didn't steal anything from anyone. And it's also unfair that some people are gifted while others are not... because life is unfair.
Hey that's me. Finished art school with nothing to show for it. Now I just watch artists on TH-cam. Yay me.....😑 pathetic. At some point I just lost the will to create.
Thank you for making this video. I discovered this truth along the way in my studies partly because I knew I was good at drawing simply because I persevered and focused on doing it well. I had to teach myself because the schools I attended in the 70's & 80' had the typical project-based type art class with no instruction on how to draw. Over the years (inc. my BFA) I decided there were a lot of misleading ideas around the visual arts so I studied the history of drawing and painting more deeply and saw what you identify here. I've been teaching drawing classes for years and among the first things I do is to tell students that drawing is a skill that can be practiced and learned, like playing an instrument or a sport. I tell them, "In life, you will become good at the things you enjoy Practicing the most, that's the bottom line." Sure, there is natural aptitude no doubt, but you can have a lot of fun with any skill if you enjoy learning and practicing it. "Art" or, lets be more clear: image making, is no more mysterious or special than the other creative activities of humans. Even if you are not likely to become a Michelangelo, you can still really enjoy making visual art and bring happiness to others through it. I think one good outcome of social media and TH-cam is artists sharing their process and their joy with whoever wants to listen and watch. I think it has helped to democratize the arts as they should be.
I think "talented" is describing someone who grasps the conceptual framework of whatever endeavor easily and is motivated to practice for whatever reasons. I've known people who think they can't draw take a class and be pleasantly surprised how quickly they pick it up and progress and then people who really want to learn art skills and just don't get any better no matter how much they practice. I know there are areas of study where I'm like this - a teacher could expound music theory to me all day every day and I'm never going to get it.
TH-cam is full of 9 and 10 year old kids who can play drums better than most adults with 20 years practicing, so that kids with maybe a few years at it isn't talented lol
I never had encouragement to do art growing up. In fact, I was dissuaded from almost everything as I was not expected to live to see 20. After 9-11, I went to college to relearn life (post TBI) and had to take an art class for the credit hour. Art 101, vine charcoal, still lifes... Prof said "you've got talent", "draw something everyday". I took her words to heart and started dragging around a sketchbook. Mom's neighbor, who was an artist for a major newspaper busted me drawing a flower on her porch. She became my best supporter/mentor, and bequeathed me her entire studio materials. She will forever be in my heart for seeing something in me besides death. I still drag about a sketcher, try to draw everyday, or as often as I can. Study videos on techniques, try new mediums and styles. My husband supports me, too. Intro'd me to tech pencils... I remember what I faced as a child, and as I teach preschoolers, I remember and try to encourage ALL my little angels to do what THEY feel led to do. If its art - great!. If it's bugs- great! I try to be the encourager that I didn't have. And I try not to laugh at those who see my work and say "you're talented"... because I know they haven't seen all the work that goes behind it. Thanks for this Video~
❤i love this video. It is so so true. I was amazed when in my late 40s i went to drawing lessons which eventually turned to pastel lessons (about 16-20 hours later) and I did an amazing gorilla in the bushes painting. I once attempted a painting of my daughter with her cat and my children told me to stick to animals. I was good at animals and also wanted to do people and so I just drew and drew and drew face parts etc. that is now part of my developed talent. It is all practise, practise, practise. Every painting and drawing is practise for the next one. ❤❤❤
Thank you, very inspiring! This makes me think about all those "overnight sensations" who spent 20 years laboring in obscurity, developing their skills, before being "discovered".
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you so much for your encouragement. I believed in the gifted/talented claims as well and would get discouraged in my art and trying to learn how to play piano. Ive recently started again to daily attempt to devote time to both...now that youve shared its not a waste of time but valuable time spent in growth.
Hah, I never get tired of these videos. I started drawing when I was 16 and put my nose to the grindstone to become something great. To become someone who could bring the beauty inside them out to show the rest of the world. Turns out, hard work and dedication are nothing without aptitude. Lacking in nothing but aptitude, that grindstone carved my face right off my skull! It's like the fire triangle: You need Aptitude, Practice and Hard work and Access to Art History/Fundamentals. Lack any one of those three things and one fails to take off. I am 40 now. Having scoured the cursed earth that lies in every direction outside of "Being an Artist" I can tell you in no uncertain terms that there is something I lack that makes you different from me. I know what it is because I have turned over every stone outside the golden city of opulence you live within trying to find even one shred of an advantage that might hoist me in there alongside you! And the litmus test of what I have learned is easy to find! If anyone wants proof, just ask the people running admissions to Gobelins what they're looking for during the admissions process. They'll tell you that it's not enough to demonstrate that one is talented, as you say. One must demonstrate that they have aptitude within which they have yet to grow! This can be seen in the art one is making while still an amateur and shows up in the overall work-body of aspiring artists of all ages. It's is easy to spot when pointed out and men casually make their livings being able to do exactly that! You are special and different from others. More over, you're terrified we'll catch wise. I stumbled upon this fact by doggedly, stupidly and meticulously removing all other variables until the pointlessness of two decades of hard and ugly effort stared me straight in the face. I wasted my life doing exactly what you suggest in this video only to end up right back where I started! Something more than hard work has been needed and it has always been so! The fact we keep saying 'talent' is the fault of the language. I just think people just resort to that word because it's more common and, what a gift that it helps control the conversation. Pheh!
This is so true and I loved hearing you put this out there. I have overcome the idea that I could never be a good artist and now have paintings and drawings on exhibit on a regular basis in my home community with the local art shows.
My dad is an artist and since I was a child I've- like many other kids- been exposed to art, I got that reinforcement and had a dad who knew more, to help me improve and give me advice which only fed into my love for drawing, it was always there but cause of the help and reinforcement, I kept practicing and got better, I love this example, thank you so much for this video! in a sense, it does feel liberating!
You are so right. As a kid, I also thought I was not born with the talent to draw, but I liked it so much that I would draw things to the best of my abilities. I later realized that I was getting better. Thanks to TH-cam videos and especially your channel, my drawings have improved significantly. I am glad I didn’t give up.
This is GOLD⭐ The student A, B story resonates with me. I was good at art and kind of gave up cos so many people are better at it. I m just average artist right? With a skill set that remains the same... Nope! In lockdown I started drawing every day and my art improved leaps and bounds. Only then I actually understood "practice makes perfect" I really wish this was told often. Yes some people have edge over others in something, but if they did not practice, they would probably be stuck with the skill set of a child.
Loved this! Totally relate to it. Yes, I know I can draw and paint, but I often feel I fail as I rely on the “ talent” and need to put more work into it. Thanks for the encouragement and the book suggestion. Off to get some practice in! 😂😂
I think this is true. Also the negative feedback thing is so bad. I've even had discussions where I've exclaimed that something hasn't worked out the way I hoped. And people in shock exclaim: well then why are you even doing that thing?! Because it brings me joy and every time I try I learn and get a little better. And as you get better you learn to cut out the things that don't add value. People don't see what you cut out and assume because what they see has minimal steps that it must be easy. When they find its not. They assume you must be born with the skill. You must be talented.
I agree with you. I have been drawing and painting since childhood, and people always say they wish they had this “talent”. I answer them with a question: “don’t you mean that you wish you had the patience and desire to learn and practice art”? I consider myself to be good at drawing and painting but then again I’m 53 years old snd this is my passion so I have the desire to learn and become better and better. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for this video! You are spot on with everything that you said and have definitely opened my eyes about some self-limiting beliefs that I've had. I appreciate the research that must have gone into this video and when it's laid out so plainly, it's hard to argue with what you're saying. Thank you again, this video has indeed changed my life- now let's see what I'm really capable of!!
People once thought that talent was all it took; you either had it or you didn't. Then, Malcolm Gladwell described the 10,000 hour rule and people started thinking that practice was all it took; you put in the time or you didn't. Both assertions are wrong. Because, it takes both talent and practice. The problem is that, while differences in talent show up among the untrained, those differences are overwhelmed by the differences in dedicated practice participants put in until they've put in their 10,000 hours, at which point differences in talent begin to show up again. One can see this most clearly in sports. I'm a pool player who follows professional pool. The pros all have well more than 10,000 hours practice and they've all played each other hundreds of times over the years. Yet, I see the same guys and gals in the top five/top ten echelon over and over again. So, it can't just be practice that accounts for the difference. For your average participant, talent won't matter. But, if one is looking to go pro, every little bit of talent counts.
I didn't feal angered one bit. I have been told I am talented at art, but I know I have so much more hard work to do. I only got back into art late last 2023 and not touched it since school (28 years). Video was certainly appreciated :)
I agree with you that most of talent, if you call it that, is gained by hard work. The only thing that I think "talent"contributed to my life was the native sound of my singing voice. Anything else gained was due to practice and learning, which I did mostly because of my love of singing, which was very much influenced by the sound I could produce when I sang. So I would say I had some innate talent, but mostly it was hard work.
While I agree with the part that you need to put in a lot of work to be "talented", there are studies that show there could be differences in the brain structure of people that have a natural ability to create art (not that they popped out of the womb painting masterpieces..lol). It shows that people that have an easier time learning art have a difference in parts of the brain that could be linked to controlling your mind's eye for visual creativity. Here is part of an article that talks about the findings of a study - "The study, titled "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain: A Voxel-Based Morphometry Analysis Of Observational Drawing," included 44 graduate and post-grad art students and non-art students who were asked to complete various drawing tasks. The completed tasks were measured and scored, and that data was compared to "regional grey and white matter volume in the cortical and subcortical structures" of the brain using a scanning method called voxel-based morphometry. An increase in grey matter density on the left anterior cerebellum and the right medial frontal gyrus was observed in relation to drawing skills. The scans depicted that the artist group had more grey matter in the area of the brain called the precuneus in the parietal lobe. That region is involved with many skills, but could possibly be linked to controlling your mind's eye for visual creativity. Lead author Rebecca Chamberlain from KU Leuven, Belgium noted, "The people who are better at drawing really seem to have more developed structures in regions of the brain that control for fine motor performance and what we call procedural memory." So talent? no. But the ability to learn quicker than some, yes.
The thing about prodigies is, I think, that they are lucky to be exposed to a particular way of thinking about a given subject that makes absolute sense to them, thus unlocking their ability to manipulate that subject in a very advanced way. The key concept here is “particular way of thinking that makes sense to them”; having someone else be exposed to that same framework will not wield the same ability simply because that person will need to relate to that subject through a different framework. Or to put it another way: we’ve probably all experienced what it feels like to have one teacher explaining something and it making no sense to us despite other people being able to understand, but that same thing explained by another teacher suddenly becomes crystal clear to us. It’s the same process with prodigies, but in a holistic way.
I agree and disagree both. I do think talent exists but I don't think talent means that you are inherently great at something. Talent is a head start, it's having it easier, learning things faster, but it doesn't make you good if you don't put the hours. If there's two people that do the same, practice the same amount of hours, using the same tools but one of them is way ahead of the other. That's talent. Both will be able to get to the same point and be just as good, but one of them will have an advantage. That's talent for me. It happens in art, in music, math, even cooking... That said. I do say "Your are good" or "you are very skilled" to people. Because even though I believe talent exists, people are good at something because they worked hard on it and it didn't happen overnight. And there is where I agree that talent doesn't make an artist.
I was kind of waiting for a comment like this. Talent is a scientifically proven real concept. Some people simply have a better grasp of spatial awareness for example, or a better sense of aethestics. Of course the environment: good teacher, supplies, encouragement is very important but you will still have students that won't do well. Take Mozart, he had the right environment but to be this good he needed to be one hell of a cut above the rest still. Everyone has to put in the work, but talent will get you there faster.
While I agree that hard work, lots of practice and good mentors can improve anyone's artistic or other ability, I think your example of fathers as mentors may support the argument that genetics are at play for those who seem to be born with a natural talent. A better example to illustrate your point would be people labled as talented who have no family history of that talent. Of course, that would be very difficult to determine. Thank you for a very thought-provoking video!
Absolutely. We are drawn to praise, and that praise encourages us to hone our talents. It’s serotonin! I think this message is helpful to anyone, not just artists. Talent must be nurtured-by others, yes, but most importantly by ourselves. If we don’t put in the effort, our talent will languish. Thanks for sharing!
My friend always tells me that he will never learn how to draw because he lacks talent. I always tell him that you learned how to write, then you can learn how to draw. Of course there are a plethora of mediums and styles in art but the basics of writing and drawing are the in my opinion. We also spend years developing handwriting until we get get our “adult-ish” handwriting, we don’t just learn it once and done.
Good point Matt, being talented at what ever we are talented at surely makes it a lot easier to advance that talent. My question is, what ever happened to Getting Sketchy? Hope it comes back, really enjoy that.
"Practice Makes Perfect" :- The proverb “practice makes perfect” can be traced back to its Latin roots “Use maketh mastery' in the 1500s and as it first appears in the United States in the Diary of John Adams from 1761 Oh so true and thank u 4 sharing, love your art x love Alli from UK XXX
👏👏👏 What wise words these are. I want to learn to draw and paint. But I know this won’t happen unless I put the work in. I want to do the 7 day trial. But I have. Problem with my email. Once I get that sorted I intend to take advantage of this as I am keen to learn. I like your method of teaching. 🙏🙏🙏
Okay i have a sister. She can take one look at a picture and draw it 100 % accurately... And she calls it doodling... Explain plz... And no she never practiced drawing.
I do understand what you are saying "but" I believe that certain people that are artistic, that stand out have a eye for the composition. I was always drawing at a young age and it seemed to be natural for me.
Nothing beats talent. I thought i could learn piano, but after 20 years of practicing 2 hours per day, I could barely reach intermediate level. Others far beyond my ability after 3 or 4 years......
from an individual perspective, hard work does beat talent, which is particularly relevant to someone who is taking up a hobby for personal growth not social success.
I didn’t know that I could draw until I was a adult . I couldn’t draw at all as a kid .I was told by a few family members that I couldn’t be an artist because I wasn’t one as a kid or that it would be impossible to actually sell stuff. Fast forward years later I got my work on display in a few galleries. I am so rapt .I still don’t think I am good enough
Love your style. Your video popped up while I was searching for ideas for an upcoming project. I'm old and retired now, however I did commercial art in the 70's and 80's and taught art in MS and HS in the 90's. I've emphasized to my students that talent is something you acquire/develop throughout practice, a lot of it. And if this is something they love to do and they feel strongly about to work hard at it and it will pay off. My parents although not artistically incline in any way never discourage me. My aunt in the other hand saw something when I was 6 and bought me my first watercolor set and the rest is history. Thank you so much for sharing you wisdom and experience with others.
Hello,from Puerto Rico. I have only stumbled onto your TH-cam video. Thank you. I agree with this video. It is informative knowledge of different types of skill levels of art skill that turn to talent. Thank you, I'm happy to say, "I AM NOT TALENTED! 😘
I can't universally say that talent doesn't exist for all aspects of skill, but it certainly and absolutely doesn't exist for art. Leonardo da Vinci had a teacher. He wasn't sitting in his bedroom meditating on his genius for hours every day.
Is never too late. If you're looking at this is because you're supposed to be. Draw something. Paint something. You'll never know if you don't try. Can't wait to see what you do.
Baloney. Talent is real. I agree that more people can draw than think they can. And a lot of times people with seemingly less talent can end up doing better than the so-called "talented" because they applied themselves better. Having said that, there are still people who are more naturally drawn to certain things than others and that's called "talent." Let's define our terms.
Talent might be real but it is not immediate. As the video shows, talent is gained by practice, encouragement, dedication etc. Just because someone picks up a bat and has the perfect swing and hits a home run from the start does not mean they are talented. Maybe they held that bat perfect, swung perfect and executed it perfectly. Is it talent if they continue? Not necessarily. Being able to see what you have done correctly the first time and repeating it is not talent…..it’s called self motivation! How many times have you done something that seemed impossible and was not able to duplicate it? We’re you talented the first time? Nope…but again as the video suggests…:you may have tried a couple more times and gave up. I would say the ones who say talent is real and won’t accept anything else are a type of person who needs that encouragement because they want people to notice them! They can’t accept the fact that they had the perfect atmosphere or even the fact that they themselves put in the hard work to get where they are.
@@KillerPawpaw Very true. I didn't think I had artistic talent and nothing pointed that way when I was little, and no I don't know where I can draw some fairly decent pictures. And the more I work on it the better I get. But let's not say that talent doesn't really matter. It certainly helps. I'm skeptical about "all or nothing." 1. I can't do it because I don't have talent. 2. I worked hard so talent doesn't matter.
I frankly get annoyed when people chalk things up to being talented because it diminishes the learning process to achieve success. People also use it as an excuse why they can't do something. " I can't paint because I'm just not talented"
Talent doesn’t really mean you’re born with a skill, it just means it’s easier for you to advance in that skill with hard work than it would be for someone who isn’t talented at that skill. That’s how I see it, anyway.
I would tell all of my adult art students who insisted they couldn't draw that they used to draw but they stopped. I kept going and improving. It isn't talent unless talent is being dedicated and determined to keep doing something until you are better. As my chess teacher said, Good; better; best. Until the good is better, and the better best.
I really could not agree more. It is tiresome to keep hearing the pattern "You're so talented at X. I could never do X", "Really? I'd be happy to show you some pointers about X", "No, that's ok because I don't have talent for X". Instead of explaining it next time, I'll just open this TH-cam video and tell them to simply replace the word art/drawing/painting with any other endeavor.
I see your point and we can't deny that practice makes perfect. Still, I definitely believe that there are people who are gifted for some activities and others who are just not meant for some activities. Your examples are biased. I could mention Da Vinci who showed his talent from a very young age, and he didn't have a father to guide him. Bethoveen was also a progidy. Ronaldinho, the soccer player, who was not crazy aboout training and yet was the best of his generation. In conclusion, talent does exist, but we have to work hard to take it to the top level.
When the average person states someone is talented, they mean skilled. Getting upset over this complementary statement is pointless. They don't believe that the person didn't have to work for their skills.
But most people don’t mean that at all, they literally think you have a god given talent with no effort required. A few years ago I was drawing a lot got pretty good and surprised most of my family friends, almost all of them said I was talented and they could never do it, I would always say well,I’ve failed 50 drawings and these are my best works I’m showing and would explain how much practice, and if YOU also dedicated time and practiced you too could get good, but every time, it goes over their head. My mum literally said “well your dad used to draw cartoon faces, so I thought it was his dna that gave you the talent, because I can’t draw at all” bruh I didn’t even see my dad from age 1. So how tf because he draw cartoon faces that makes me talented.
@@fivenotewonder when someone tells you, "I could never do what you do," explain the technique you are using to achieve the image you are making. Demystify the process and most people will thank you. I've met very few people who want to believe that someone they know holds arcane knowledge granted by the gods of art. 😋
Trust me I have done, gone into detail about the techniques, what I had to learn and practice. I also explain that most of the time I use references too, as no, I can’t visualise a perfectly detailed item in my mind, which quite often stumps them as well (as if they thought I can) anyway, I get what you’re saying it’s meant as a compliment and most people generally mean well because they are complementing your work and saying you’re talented. I also say to them I can’t play an instrument because I haven’t any interest in it or want to practice and learn, but if I wanted to, I could.
Great information. I’m 53 and just getting started. I’m having a hard time finding a teacher (I can’t afford classes). I’m watching videos and reading books. I’m reading many books. They all start a bit to far ahead of my skill level. I’m just trying to draw balls and squares. (I bought some toy balls to look at some kind of still life). Do you know of an extreme beginner book? Or a good place to start. Of course I’m watching your videos. 😊
You don't need an extreme beginners book and whatever you do, do not compare yourself to anyone else's work until you have something to compare it with. Figure out what you would like to draw and just do draw it and draw it again and again until you feel comfortable with the outcome. Believe me, you will find and fix your mistakes if any. That's how we all start. I promise you, if you keep working at it you will get better. I'm a professional artist (retired a old) but I know that what I told you is truth based solely on my experience. Good luck.,
@@jibaro1977 thank you. I really want to draw and then watercolor flowers and landscapes. (Mostly flowers). I’m having such a hard time with circles and spheres.
A Mother, who would giver her kid some coloring books and pages to draw on while the other kids played outside, 30 years later he upset the art world with prints of the Lunch she would always give him, Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup.
I completely disagree; it’s talent that stimulates and motivates you to practice more and more; also perceiving dopamine and joy while drawing is a talent itself; without dopamine and satisfaction it becomes nearly impossible to improve because it starts being a psychological cost with no revenue
Master Ghirlandaio took hundreds of students, but only one Michaelangelo there was in the end. Denying the existence of talent is like being a flatearther.
Not a myth talent exist people saying otherwise want to sell you a product like in this video as hope sell well, doesnt mean that no practice or work is asked it mean that depending on your talent one may take magnitude of time the amount thats requiered by a talented person.
you have no future in motivational speaking. perhaps you should take up drawing or painting as a relief to your cynicism. I encourage commitment and dedication patient, and in time you’ll be proud of how far you’ve come.
@@ap_walkeryou keep appearing when ever someone says anything that goes against the "talent is a myth" talk. I think your most likely talented at drawing and you know it. But you dont like the label because you didnt have to work as hard as others to acquire your skills. And it makes you angry knowing that and soo you feel the need to defend yourself by making upp a lie in your head that "ooh i got good this fast, well i just worked harder then everyone else" and so the lie is established. Knowing full well that you only practiced for maybe halv or less then what a normal person born with no talent hade to go through in order to get good. Its truly sad to see people deilude themselves in to thinking "well i got to pro lvl with in two years or less because i worked hard". When in truth you dont even know what hard work really is. 😅😂
@@skyhavender I can’t draw or paint very well at all. I am mediocre at best at all things I do. But I do believe I can get better if I work harder. What is sad is the hopeless mentality you so eagerly defend. I believe you are projecting. Try harder and don’t give up. You may never win an award, but you can be better than you were before you started. Talent is irrelevant because the reward is achieved within yourself.
@@ap_walkerI practice for 6 hours sometimes more everyday. For seven months and i still cant draw well. I cant even do a good cube let alone a face. Whilest others can already do good faces and bodies within 3 months. Yet i still continue, even when i see no results. If you going to tell me that i am "projecting". Pewdiepie is the perfect example of pure natural talent. Most people are forced to draw crap they hate for months and years just to get okayish att drawing while's the people with talent can just jump right in to the things they like and keep getting better. Because they have no need to do almost any of the basics of drawing. I sometimes i feel like burning everything i have ever drawn. To put into perspektiv. I want to do manga. Its different from "just drawing" its a life in itself. But thats what i want to do. But i need to know how to draw and draw pro lvl in order to ever be allowed to publish anything in that industry. Do you understand how horrible it feels to have high standards and not being able to reach that lvl. Most likely ever. My characters i have in my head that i want to put to papper that i will never be able to realize because of how my brain works. Its pure torture.
@@skyhavender the purpose of the video is to encourage people to stay committed to their goals and to discourage people from giving up because they view their success as impossible. It is necessary to set appropriate expectations. I am almost 40 years old. If I suddenly started announcing to everyone that I had every expectation to be an NBA starter, it would be foolish, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t get better at basketball. I might even be able to get pretty good. And I might have fun doing it. In my opinion, the best thing about art is that anyone can do it, or that it is accessible to everyone. taking time to practice an artistic skill, committing to the goal, and creating something, regardless of what it’s worth in monetary terms, it is still very much worth something in personal terms. the next creation will be worth even more, and with commitment and time it’s very likely that some progression will be observable in the works that were created. and that process can be a very valuable personal growth experience. essentially, never give up. If you die tomorrow, try to feel good about the art you made in your life. Not because it was competitive, but because you enjoyed doing it.
You have given me so much insight into “talent”. In my own experience, my life long ambition was to be an artist like my daddy, who was a commercial decorator and lettering artist. I was encouraged and complemented by teachers from kindergarten on, also by other people, but never by my parents. I won an art contest in ninth grade. I was so proud. My father went to the high school, with me in tow, to tell the high school guidance counselor that I was not allowed to take any art courses in high school. I just accepted this as “I was not good enough”. It did not stop me from drawing and painting, it just was never acknowledged. My father wanted something “better for me”. I managed to sneak in one art course in college and was praised. Throughout my adult working life, I took workshops as I could afford them. Praise came from my children and other workshop participants, but I continued to feel “not good enough”. I’m retired now, sold a few things, I draw and paint everyday. I still feel not good enough, but some how, your video opened a new mindset for me. I am grateful to you for giving me the psychological confidence and understanding that all artists have their own style and for the first time, I do feel good enough. Thank you.
Your comment made me cry 😓 I’m sorry your parents didn’t encourage you. I’m happy that you paint and draw every day. 😊 This was a very thoughtful video for sure! Peace be with you ❤☮️
I 100% agree. I was always turned off with people saying I was talented, because of my art. For the exact same reasons you expressed. I would argue that people who are better at something, might have some aspect of their makeup, that may give them an edge, but generally speaking, there is so much hard work that goes on behind the scenes. Thank you for this video.
The issue is that even those who appear to be better at something can also learn not to be. For example, my parents and some of my extended family used to stroke my ego as a kid, saying I was talented in art, just because as with most children, any scribble or coloring in a coloring book at their encouragement was considered art to them. Honestly, art holds no interest for me but as with most, I loved the attention. Eventually that wore thin and my innate indifference to art finally came out. I realized I didn’t have to continue in a job which was both boring and ironically stressful, due to people pestering me to do art. Think stage parent but with art. When I eventually quit the art profession, I was expecting support but instead, I got nothing but backlash and judgment. In either case, I moved on from that job and got into my real passion and interest which is music. I still get derision from family from time to time, telling me I’m wasting my life on music which they say I’m not talented in, but I don’t care anymore. I’m glad to now be doing my passion and sing and play music. The irony is that now when someone tries to get me to do any form of art, they found out I couldn’t draw or paint or do any art anymore. It gives me such joy that I’m now freed of art. So yes, a boring talent can eventually die off when you don’t give a damn about it - even if you force yourself to put in effort. Praise Jesus! God bless!
This is so true. I thought it was talent for artists and my dad would say you're not good enough so i6s gave up. Anyway, I've consistency stuck at it and I've come on so much in 18 months and continue to improve
I'm now going to study art and design in september ✨️
Thank you for sharing this. It is something everybody should be aware of. I learnt this lesson myself 10 years ago when I went back to an old school reunion and had a long conversation with the art teacher. He told me that of the last group of students only one achieved a Grade A in their final exam, and I expressed my amazement because the all the work on display was, in my opinion, of diploma standard, from 17 and 18-year-olds. He said, "All the rest of the students achieved A+." I remarked on how talented they all were, and he said exactly what you have said in this video. He said that none of them had any previous art experience when they came into his class. There was one student in the previous year who considered herself to have "natural talent" and she ended up being the worst of the group, resting on her laurels and not putting in the work that the rest did. So I agree with you that the label "talented" can be very limiting. All this stayed with me, and now that I am at the beginning of an online art course and putting in the work under really good direction, I am experiencing this for myself. Drawing has always been my weakest area, which is why I have signed up for the drawing course, so that I can learn how to do it properly, through observation and practice, and I am already totally amazed at what I am achieving - I can't believe I'm actually drawing like this!!
I do a lot of different activities - art, music, pursuing interests in science and technology, nutrition and cooking, current events, Bible study, etc. etc., and have often been complimented as being "talented" and this hasn't sat very comfortably with me. In all these activities I have put in a great deal of work and practice and study time. I have done mixed media projects - interactive book making and other stuff, and also making art from recycled materials and junk, for years, and getting results which do cause people to say "wow" and go on about my "talent," but I just put it down to thinking outside the box and constantly asking myself, "Can I make art out of this?" My hubby and I have a running joke abou this - every time I say it, he says, "NO!" which I take as a challenge to prove him wrong! I just think I have a slightly weird way of looking at the world, which has increased as I have trained myself to see pattern and texture everywhere. I take photos of unusual stuff when out and about. Most people photograph family members and views, but I photograph door hinges, tree bark, rust... My family think I'm really weird!
THANK YOU !! I tell people this all the time when they call me a talented artist or photographer, and I try to explain to them that I have worked hard for my 'skills' and I'm not talented....but they don't believe me....Finally a video I can share that hopefully enlightens them!!!
If it was hard work, then every single person worked on the same things would achieve the same level of success
It is not just a talent but a skill. I was told in grade school that I had no talent for art. Believed it and looking back my grades in art class were poor because of that belief. In my 50’s I began exploring art. I took classes, continue to take classes and dedicate time to developing my skill. I have through hard work developed a skill and now paint with acrylic’s beautiful paintings. I continue to work on developing my skill in drawing.
This is a one-sided way of looking at it. Talent does exist and some people are more talented than others. You are right in stressing out that practice is the key to success, and most definitely that it is important to have supportive parents, but people with a natural talent do exist. The question is whether they get chances in life, whether they have supportive parents. To me, it seems incredibly unfair that less talented children grow up to be successful because they got a lot of training, while talented children who didn't get the training were not allowed to grow.
I agree, this is one-sided. While good points are made here it suggest to viewers they ignore the fact that there are people who genuinely have a natural skill - period. YOU may not have talent - but others do. Sorry if it offends, upsets, or threatens some egos but it is what it is. That society elects to call it *talent* is semantics. Who said people with talent don't work hard? Whether one is naturally talented, or acquire talent with practice and patience, they have to take the time to grow their skillset and hone their craft. There's no need for anyone to feel threatened by the idea others are naturally skilled, it doesn't mean you have none, or are less valued. It simply means while we're all born different we can achieve great things given time and honest effort.
Something about this thought of "no one is talented" smacks a lot of humanistic ego. The deliberate *choice* to take offense at talent by some artists really make me wonder about the general ingratitude of us humans. Unless we can take all credit for everything, we're not satisfied. Ego and ingratitude are beasts, and not in a good way.
The truth is, unless God grants anyone the gift to pick up a brush, pencil or whatever, with their hands, feet or mouth, unless HE grants us the ability to see, and the ability to reason and learn - *none* of us would be artists. So if you don't want to be called talented can you at least acknowledge the fact that no amount of hard work, or practice can be done without Him? I actually had a fellow artist take offense when I gave honor to God for allowing me to pursue my art journey! 🤨He immediately said, but it was YOU who worked hard! Okay, but could I have if I didn't have the requisite parts or ability to understand, retain what I learn, and knowledge to implement it?
And some of these comments! 🤔I just don't get how people are put off by being complimented as being talented. It's odd. And quite frankly, ungrateful to the one giving the compliment! It doesn't mean you don't work hard! Logic suggest it's necessary. A person who has a natural bent for art, mechanics, science or math (whatever), still has to study, practice and sacrifice if they want to achieve varying degrees of success. Next time someone takes the time to tell you you're talented, be humble and simply say thank you. You ARE talented, because you took the time to acquire it.
@@rebekah1362 Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you said. The worst part of all of this, in my opinion, is that hard work is seen as more worth than talent these days. Why doesn't talent count in itself? For me, talent is the ultimate blessing, and I admire people who have true natural talent. People who, driven by ambition, try to compensate their lack of talent by working hard, don't impress me at all, no matter how far they make it in life. But I seem to be alone with my opinion. People with no talent but a lot of diligence and tenacity are being appreciated in today's society, I just don't agree.
@@tentativesuggestionso a person with "talent" but maybe does nothing with it or squndders opportunities is to be revered over the person that works hard and maybe dedicates a life pursuit to leaning or mastering a skill.?? Can't a person that works hard create their own talent through learning and practice or in you opinion it sounds like you have to be born with talent? Why can't those people be appreciated for their hard work, that person may have more love and passion for what they are working so very hard on then the person with a "born talent" I guess my point is here theres nothing wrong with putting in hard work and learning, if you happen to excel over they person with "born talent" that's how the chips fall..maybe the person with "born talent" needs to work harder. If you don't nurture the gift given to you it doesn't grow.
I agree with the first part. Some people are more talented than others. Now, that being said, I am a former figure skater and I wasn't talented at all. I was, however, pretty much obsessed with it and would practice about 5 hours a day 6 days a week. The guilt I felt for not being talented is incredible, like you said, what if someone more talented was in my place? I felt like I was stealing resources from that abstract person by trying hard.
But the truth is, I wasn't, I didn't steal anything from anyone. And it's also unfair that some people are gifted while others are not... because life is unfair.
preach it, since we all know that "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"!
Hey that's me. Finished art school with nothing to show for it. Now I just watch artists on TH-cam. Yay me.....😑 pathetic. At some point I just lost the will to create.
Nothing beats talent when it works hard😅
And how about BOTH talent and hard work.
true.
But can hard work beats talent when talent works hard?
Thank you for making this video. I discovered this truth along the way in my studies partly because I knew I was good at drawing simply because I persevered and focused on doing it well. I had to teach myself because the schools I attended in the 70's & 80' had the typical project-based type art class with no instruction on how to draw. Over the years (inc. my BFA) I decided there were a lot of misleading ideas around the visual arts so I studied the history of drawing and painting more deeply and saw what you identify here. I've been teaching drawing classes for years and among the first things I do is to tell students that drawing is a skill that can be practiced and learned, like playing an instrument or a sport. I tell them, "In life, you will become good at the things you enjoy Practicing the most, that's the bottom line." Sure, there is natural aptitude no doubt, but you can have a lot of fun with any skill if you enjoy learning and practicing it. "Art" or, lets be more clear: image making, is no more mysterious or special than the other creative activities of humans. Even if you are not likely to become a Michelangelo, you can still really enjoy making visual art and bring happiness to others through it. I think one good outcome of social media and TH-cam is artists sharing their process and their joy with whoever wants to listen and watch. I think it has helped to democratize the arts as they should be.
I think "talented" is describing someone who grasps the conceptual framework of whatever endeavor easily and is motivated to practice for whatever reasons. I've known people who think they can't draw take a class and be pleasantly surprised how quickly they pick it up and progress and then people who really want to learn art skills and just don't get any better no matter how much they practice. I know there are areas of study where I'm like this - a teacher could expound music theory to me all day every day and I'm never going to get it.
TH-cam is full of 9 and 10 year old kids who can play drums better than most adults with 20 years practicing, so that kids with maybe a few years at it isn't talented lol
I never had encouragement to do art growing up. In fact, I was dissuaded from almost everything as I was not expected to live to see 20. After 9-11, I went to college to relearn life (post TBI) and had to take an art class for the credit hour. Art 101, vine charcoal, still lifes... Prof said "you've got talent", "draw something everyday". I took her words to heart and started dragging around a sketchbook. Mom's neighbor, who was an artist for a major newspaper busted me drawing a flower on her porch. She became my best supporter/mentor, and bequeathed me her entire studio materials. She will forever be in my heart for seeing something in me besides death. I still drag about a sketcher, try to draw everyday, or as often as I can. Study videos on techniques, try new mediums and styles. My husband supports me, too. Intro'd me to tech pencils... I remember what I faced as a child, and as I teach preschoolers, I remember and try to encourage ALL my little angels to do what THEY feel led to do. If its art - great!. If it's bugs- great! I try to be the encourager that I didn't have. And I try not to laugh at those who see my work and say "you're talented"... because I know they haven't seen all the work that goes behind it. Thanks for this Video~
❤i love this video. It is so so true. I was amazed when in my late 40s i went to drawing lessons which eventually turned to pastel lessons (about 16-20 hours later) and I did an amazing gorilla in the bushes painting. I once attempted a painting of my daughter with her cat and my children told me to stick to animals. I was good at animals and also wanted to do people and so I just drew and drew and drew face parts etc. that is now part of my developed talent. It is all practise, practise, practise. Every painting and drawing is practise for the next one. ❤❤❤
Thank you, very inspiring! This makes me think about all those "overnight sensations" who spent 20 years laboring in obscurity, developing their skills, before being "discovered".
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you so much for your encouragement. I believed in the gifted/talented claims as well and would get discouraged in my art and trying to learn how to play piano. Ive recently started again to daily attempt to devote time to both...now that youve shared its not a waste of time but valuable time spent in growth.
Hah, I never get tired of these videos. I started drawing when I was 16 and put my nose to the grindstone to become something great. To become someone who could bring the beauty inside them out to show the rest of the world. Turns out, hard work and dedication are nothing without aptitude. Lacking in nothing but aptitude, that grindstone carved my face right off my skull! It's like the fire triangle: You need Aptitude, Practice and Hard work and Access to Art History/Fundamentals. Lack any one of those three things and one fails to take off.
I am 40 now. Having scoured the cursed earth that lies in every direction outside of "Being an Artist" I can tell you in no uncertain terms that there is something I lack that makes you different from me. I know what it is because I have turned over every stone outside the golden city of opulence you live within trying to find even one shred of an advantage that might hoist me in there alongside you!
And the litmus test of what I have learned is easy to find! If anyone wants proof, just ask the people running admissions to Gobelins what they're looking for during the admissions process. They'll tell you that it's not enough to demonstrate that one is talented, as you say. One must demonstrate that they have aptitude within which they have yet to grow! This can be seen in the art one is making while still an amateur and shows up in the overall work-body of aspiring artists of all ages. It's is easy to spot when pointed out and men casually make their livings being able to do exactly that!
You are special and different from others. More over, you're terrified we'll catch wise. I stumbled upon this fact by doggedly, stupidly and meticulously removing all other variables until the pointlessness of two decades of hard and ugly effort stared me straight in the face. I wasted my life doing exactly what you suggest in this video only to end up right back where I started! Something more than hard work has been needed and it has always been so! The fact we keep saying 'talent' is the fault of the language. I just think people just resort to that word because it's more common and, what a gift that it helps control the conversation. Pheh!
This is so true and I loved hearing you put this out there. I have overcome the idea that I could never be a good artist and now have paintings and drawings on exhibit on a regular basis in my home community with the local art shows.
this is great to keep in mind Matt... thanks
My dad is an artist and since I was a child I've- like many other kids- been exposed to art, I got that reinforcement and had a dad who knew more, to help me improve and give me advice which only fed into my love for drawing, it was always there but cause of the help and reinforcement, I kept practicing and got better, I love this example, thank you so much for this video! in a sense, it does feel liberating!
Talent and hard work go hand in hand. I never relied solely on my talent, but I've never dismissed it.
You are so right. As a kid, I also thought I was not born with the talent to draw, but I liked it so much that I would draw things to the best of my abilities. I later realized that I was getting better. Thanks to TH-cam videos and especially your channel, my drawings have improved significantly. I am glad I didn’t give up.
This is GOLD⭐ The student A, B story resonates with me. I was good at art and kind of gave up cos so many people are better at it. I m just average artist right? With a skill set that remains the same... Nope! In lockdown I started drawing every day and my art improved leaps and bounds. Only then I actually understood "practice makes perfect" I really wish this was told often. Yes some people have edge over others in something, but if they did not practice, they would probably be stuck with the skill set of a child.
So... where are your masterworks?
Loved this! Totally relate to it. Yes, I know I can draw and paint, but I often feel I fail as I rely on the “ talent” and need to put more work into it. Thanks for the encouragement and the book suggestion. Off to get some practice in! 😂😂
I think this is true. Also the negative feedback thing is so bad. I've even had discussions where I've exclaimed that something hasn't worked out the way I hoped. And people in shock exclaim: well then why are you even doing that thing?!
Because it brings me joy and every time I try I learn and get a little better.
And as you get better you learn to cut out the things that don't add value. People don't see what you cut out and assume because what they see has minimal steps that it must be easy. When they find its not. They assume you must be born with the skill. You must be talented.
This is a very valid point. It all takes practice and to enhance our talent it takes practice.
I agree with you. I have been drawing and painting since childhood, and people always say they wish they had this “talent”. I answer them with a question: “don’t you mean that you wish you had the patience and desire to learn and practice art”? I consider myself to be good at drawing and painting but then again I’m 53 years old snd this is my passion so I have the desire to learn and become better and better. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for this video! You are spot on with everything that you said and have definitely opened my eyes about some self-limiting beliefs that I've had. I appreciate the research that must have gone into this video and when it's laid out so plainly, it's hard to argue with what you're saying. Thank you again, this video has indeed changed my life- now let's see what I'm really capable of!!
Wonderful topic, wonderful questioning!
People once thought that talent was all it took; you either had it or you didn't. Then, Malcolm Gladwell described the 10,000 hour rule and people started thinking that practice was all it took; you put in the time or you didn't. Both assertions are wrong. Because, it takes both talent and practice.
The problem is that, while differences in talent show up among the untrained, those differences are overwhelmed by the differences in dedicated practice participants put in until they've put in their 10,000 hours, at which point differences in talent begin to show up again.
One can see this most clearly in sports. I'm a pool player who follows professional pool. The pros all have well more than 10,000 hours practice and they've all played each other hundreds of times over the years. Yet, I see the same guys and gals in the top five/top ten echelon over and over again. So, it can't just be practice that accounts for the difference.
For your average participant, talent won't matter. But, if one is looking to go pro, every little bit of talent counts.
Yes! 💯
I didn't feal angered one bit. I have been told I am talented at art, but I know I have so much more hard work to do. I only got back into art late last 2023 and not touched it since school (28 years). Video was certainly appreciated :)
I agree with you that most of talent, if you call it that, is gained by hard work. The only thing that I think "talent"contributed to my life was the native sound of my singing voice. Anything else gained was due to practice and learning, which I did mostly because of my love of singing, which was very much influenced by the sound I could produce when I sang. So I would say I had some innate talent, but mostly it was hard work.
While I agree with the part that you need to put in a lot of work to be "talented", there are studies that show there could be differences in the brain structure of people that have a natural ability to create art (not that they popped out of the womb painting masterpieces..lol). It shows that people that have an easier time learning art have a difference in parts of the brain that could be linked to controlling your mind's eye for visual creativity. Here is part of an article that talks about the findings of a study - "The study, titled "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain: A Voxel-Based Morphometry Analysis Of Observational Drawing," included 44 graduate and post-grad art students and non-art students who were asked to complete various drawing tasks. The completed tasks were measured and scored, and that data was compared to "regional grey and white matter volume in the cortical and subcortical structures" of the brain using a scanning method called voxel-based morphometry. An increase in grey matter density on the left anterior cerebellum and the right medial frontal gyrus was observed in relation to drawing skills.
The scans depicted that the artist group had more grey matter in the area of the brain called the precuneus in the parietal lobe. That region is involved with many skills, but could possibly be linked to controlling your mind's eye for visual creativity.
Lead author Rebecca Chamberlain from KU Leuven, Belgium noted, "The people who are better at drawing really seem to have more developed structures in regions of the brain that control for fine motor performance and what we call procedural memory."
So talent? no. But the ability to learn quicker than some, yes.
The thing about prodigies is, I think, that they are lucky to be exposed to a particular way of thinking about a given subject that makes absolute sense to them, thus unlocking their ability to manipulate that subject in a very advanced way. The key concept here is “particular way of thinking that makes sense to them”; having someone else be exposed to that same framework will not wield the same ability simply because that person will need to relate to that subject through a different framework. Or to put it another way: we’ve probably all experienced what it feels like to have one teacher explaining something and it making no sense to us despite other people being able to understand, but that same thing explained by another teacher suddenly becomes crystal clear to us. It’s the same process with prodigies, but in a holistic way.
I agree and disagree both. I do think talent exists but I don't think talent means that you are inherently great at something. Talent is a head start, it's having it easier, learning things faster, but it doesn't make you good if you don't put the hours. If there's two people that do the same, practice the same amount of hours, using the same tools but one of them is way ahead of the other. That's talent. Both will be able to get to the same point and be just as good, but one of them will have an advantage. That's talent for me.
It happens in art, in music, math, even cooking...
That said. I do say "Your are good" or "you are very skilled" to people. Because even though I believe talent exists, people are good at something because they worked hard on it and it didn't happen overnight. And there is where I agree that talent doesn't make an artist.
I was kind of waiting for a comment like this. Talent is a scientifically proven real concept. Some people simply have a better grasp of spatial awareness for example, or a better sense of aethestics. Of course the environment: good teacher, supplies, encouragement is very important but you will still have students that won't do well. Take Mozart, he had the right environment but to be this good he needed to be one hell of a cut above the rest still. Everyone has to put in the work, but talent will get you there faster.
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While I agree that hard work, lots of practice and good mentors can improve anyone's artistic or other ability, I think your example of fathers as mentors may support the argument that genetics are at play for those who seem to be born with a natural talent. A better example to illustrate your point would be people labled as talented who have no family history of that talent. Of course, that would be very difficult to determine. Thank you for a very thought-provoking video!
Thank you , I am able to do what I was told I will never be able to.
Wow this is marvelous sharing my friend.. it’s really educational. Children are so happy doing arts. They look so amazing 🤩.
Absolutely. We are drawn to praise, and that praise encourages us to hone our talents. It’s serotonin!
I think this message is helpful to anyone, not just artists. Talent must be nurtured-by others, yes, but most importantly by ourselves. If we don’t put in the effort, our talent will languish.
Thanks for sharing!
I think it’s more dopamine
So talent does exist...
Couldn't agree more, Matt. You are absolutely right. 👍
My friend always tells me that he will never learn how to draw because he lacks talent. I always tell him that you learned how to write, then you can learn how to draw. Of course there are a plethora of mediums and styles in art but the basics of writing and drawing are the in my opinion. We also spend years developing handwriting until we get get our “adult-ish” handwriting, we don’t just learn it once and done.
How about in all areas. I was told I was bad at everything. Now I try but am never satisfied with my own work.
This is true on many levels. Thanks for sharing
I've always said that an artist is not someone, who can draw a straight line, but someone who can make a crooked line look straight!❤💜❤
Good point Matt, being talented at what ever we are talented at surely makes it a lot easier to advance that talent. My question is, what ever happened to Getting Sketchy? Hope it comes back, really enjoy that.
"Practice Makes Perfect" :-
The proverb “practice makes perfect” can be traced back to its Latin roots “Use maketh mastery' in the 1500s and as it first appears in the United States in the Diary of John Adams from 1761
Oh so true and thank u 4 sharing, love your art x love Alli from UK XXX
👏👏👏 What wise words these are. I want to learn to draw and paint. But I know this won’t happen unless I put the work in. I want to do the 7 day trial. But I have. Problem with my email. Once I get that sorted I intend to take advantage of this as I am keen to learn. I like your method of teaching. 🙏🙏🙏
Talent is not a myth. Its 100% proven to be real.
Talent is still real. Doesn't matter how much practice you have, you don't get super good at things. Only talented people become masters
without dedication, talent is irrelevant.
@@ap_walker And with dedication, talent is everything.
Okay i have a sister. She can take one look at a picture and draw it 100 % accurately... And she calls it doodling... Explain plz... And no she never practiced drawing.
She is just talented
Wow! This one makes you think. Great video Matt.
You have a real talent for explaining things!
I do understand what you are saying "but" I believe that certain people that are artistic, that stand out have a eye for the composition. I was always drawing at a young age and it seemed to be natural for me.
So very, very true!!! Thanks for this video!
Nothing beats talent. I thought i could learn piano, but after 20 years of practicing 2 hours per day, I could barely reach intermediate level. Others far beyond my ability after 3 or 4 years......
Maybe in another life 😞
from an individual perspective, hard work does beat talent, which is particularly relevant to someone who is taking up a hobby for personal growth not social success.
@@ap_walker But not relevant for someone aspiring to be actually good.
@@Mick-iv6mk not only is that generalization wrong, but it’s oppressive to anyone looking to improve their life.
@@ap_walker "hard work does beat talent"
Until talent works hard.
Many thanks for the great encouragement!
I didn’t know that I could draw until I was a adult . I couldn’t draw at all as a kid .I was told by a few family members that I couldn’t be an artist because I wasn’t one as a kid or that it would be impossible to actually sell stuff. Fast forward years later I got my work on display in a few galleries. I am so rapt .I still don’t think I am good enough
I agree, It takes a lot of hard work and discipline to get the skills other find is talent.
Instead of an innate aptitude. Perhaps talent is just the innate drive to peruse something you love and hence develop it into an amazing skill.
Thanks Matt! I needed to hear this. 😊
Love your style. Your video popped up while I was searching for ideas for an upcoming project. I'm old and retired now, however I did commercial art in the 70's and 80's and taught art in MS and HS in the 90's. I've emphasized to my students that talent is something you acquire/develop throughout practice, a lot of it. And if this is something they love to do and they feel strongly about to work hard at it and it will pay off. My parents although not artistically incline in any way never discourage me. My aunt in the other hand saw something when I was 6 and bought me my first watercolor set and the rest is history. Thank you so much for sharing you wisdom and experience with others.
Hello,from Puerto Rico.
I have only stumbled onto your TH-cam video. Thank you. I agree with this video. It is informative knowledge of different types of skill levels of art skill that turn to talent.
Thank you, I'm happy to say, "I AM NOT TALENTED! 😘
I can't universally say that talent doesn't exist for all aspects of skill, but it certainly and absolutely doesn't exist for art. Leonardo da Vinci had a teacher. He wasn't sitting in his bedroom meditating on his genius for hours every day.
excellent video, thanks for the knowledge.
💯 agree! Thank you for this video 👍🏽
Wonderful! I’m beginning to wonder if I was actually supposed to be an artist and not something else.
Is never too late. If you're looking at this is because you're supposed to be. Draw something. Paint something. You'll never know if you don't try. Can't wait to see what you do.
Exactly what i was telling my friends
it makes perfect sense, my take-ins is: "Physical over Mental, 2 seperate worlds in 1 body".
Yep that's pretty much is all about it 👍
Baloney. Talent is real. I agree that more people can draw than think they can. And a lot of times people with seemingly less talent can end up doing better than the so-called "talented" because they applied themselves better.
Having said that, there are still people who are more naturally drawn to certain things than others and that's called "talent."
Let's define our terms.
I agree that talent is real. And, I would define it as innate learning ability in a given area.
Talent might be real but it is not immediate. As the video shows, talent is gained by practice, encouragement, dedication etc. Just because someone picks up a bat and has the perfect swing and hits a home run from the start does not mean they are talented. Maybe they held that bat perfect, swung perfect and executed it perfectly. Is it talent if they continue? Not necessarily. Being able to see what you have done correctly the first time and repeating it is not talent…..it’s called self motivation! How many times have you done something that seemed impossible and was not able to duplicate it? We’re you talented the first time? Nope…but again as the video suggests…:you may have tried a couple more times and gave up. I would say the ones who say talent is real and won’t accept anything else are a type of person who needs that encouragement because they want people to notice them! They can’t accept the fact that they had the perfect atmosphere or even the fact that they themselves put in the hard work to get where they are.
@@KillerPawpaw Very true. I didn't think I had artistic talent and nothing pointed that way when I was little, and no I don't know where I can draw some fairly decent pictures. And the more I work on it the better I get. But let's not say that talent doesn't really matter. It certainly helps.
I'm skeptical about "all or nothing."
1. I can't do it because I don't have talent.
2. I worked hard so talent doesn't matter.
@@KillerPawpawTalent is not gained by practice, you're born with it or not.
❤ Best advice ever! So true!
Very well said. I agree entirely.
Thankyou .. , very helpful., It really has .
I frankly get annoyed when people chalk things up to being talented because it diminishes the learning process to achieve success. People also use it as an excuse why they can't do something. " I can't paint because I'm just not talented"
Talent doesn’t really mean you’re born with a skill, it just means it’s easier for you to advance in that skill with hard work than it would be for someone who isn’t talented at that skill. That’s how I see it, anyway.
I would tell all of my adult art students who insisted they couldn't draw that they used to draw but they stopped. I kept going and improving. It isn't talent unless talent is being dedicated and determined to keep doing something until you are better. As my chess teacher said, Good; better; best. Until the good is better, and the better best.
should I not waste my time If I didn't have professional leveI
support at a young age then?
Great video! When the 45 min sketches livestreams returns? Peace
When the new season can’t wait to see you guys again
You hit the nail on the head.
Talent is real
I really could not agree more. It is tiresome to keep hearing the pattern "You're so talented at X. I could never do X", "Really? I'd be happy to show you some pointers about X", "No, that's ok because I don't have talent for X". Instead of explaining it next time, I'll just open this TH-cam video and tell them to simply replace the word art/drawing/painting with any other endeavor.
Are you really good? Where are your masterworks?
Well said. 100% agree
I see your point and we can't deny that practice makes perfect. Still, I definitely believe that there are people who are gifted for some activities and others who are just not meant for some activities.
Your examples are biased. I could mention Da Vinci who showed his talent from a very young age, and he didn't have a father to guide him. Bethoveen was also a progidy. Ronaldinho, the soccer player, who was not crazy aboout training and yet was the best of his generation. In conclusion, talent does exist, but we have to work hard to take it to the top level.
Thank you ❤🌸
Excellent word!
When the average person states someone is talented, they mean skilled. Getting upset over this complementary statement is pointless. They don't believe that the person didn't have to work for their skills.
But most people don’t mean that at all, they literally think you have a god given talent with no effort required. A few years ago I was drawing a lot got pretty good and surprised most of my family friends, almost all of them said I was talented and they could never do it, I would always say well,I’ve failed 50 drawings and these are my best works I’m showing and would explain how much practice, and if YOU also dedicated time and practiced you too could get good, but every time, it goes over their head. My mum literally said “well your dad used to draw cartoon faces, so I thought it was his dna that gave you the talent, because I can’t draw at all” bruh I didn’t even see my dad from age 1. So how tf because he draw cartoon faces that makes me talented.
@@fivenotewonder when someone tells you, "I could never do what you do," explain the technique you are using to achieve the image you are making. Demystify the process and most people will thank you. I've met very few people who want to believe that someone they know holds arcane knowledge granted by the gods of art. 😋
Trust me I have done, gone into detail about the techniques, what I had to learn and practice. I also explain that most of the time I use references too, as no, I can’t visualise a perfectly detailed item in my mind, which quite often stumps them as well (as if they thought I can) anyway, I get what you’re saying it’s meant as a compliment and most people generally mean well because they are complementing your work and saying you’re talented. I also say to them I can’t play an instrument because I haven’t any interest in it or want to practice and learn, but if I wanted to, I could.
Thanks!!!😊
Great information. I’m 53 and just getting started. I’m having a hard time finding a teacher (I can’t afford classes). I’m watching videos and reading books. I’m reading many books. They all start a bit to far ahead of my skill level. I’m just trying to draw balls and squares. (I bought some toy balls to look at some kind of still life). Do you know of an extreme beginner book? Or a good place to start. Of course I’m watching your videos. 😊
You don't need an extreme beginners book and whatever you do, do not compare yourself to anyone else's work until you have something to compare it with. Figure out what you would like to draw and just do draw it and draw it again and again until you feel comfortable with the outcome. Believe me, you will find and fix your mistakes if any. That's how we all start. I promise you, if you keep working at it you will get better. I'm a professional artist (retired a old) but I know that what I told you is truth based solely on my experience. Good luck.,
@@jibaro1977 thank you. I really want to draw and then watercolor flowers and landscapes. (Mostly flowers). I’m having such a hard time with circles and spheres.
Thank you ever so much for responding to my message
Drawing on the Right side of the Brain by Betty Edwards
@@kapilani8024 I just got that one! Thank you.
A Mother, who would giver her kid some coloring books and pages to draw on while the other kids played outside, 30 years later he upset the art world with prints of the Lunch she would always give him, Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup.
I completely disagree; it’s talent that stimulates and motivates you to practice more and more; also perceiving dopamine and joy while drawing is a talent itself; without dopamine and satisfaction it becomes nearly impossible to improve because it starts being a psychological cost with no revenue
Mozart wrote his first symphony at the age of 5. Now, there is something more involved than his father being a musician and composer.
Master Ghirlandaio took hundreds of students, but only one Michaelangelo there was in the end.
Denying the existence of talent is like being a flatearther.
He said "how can I get good at that"
Teacher answered "practice, practice, practice."
So true! 100% agree
"Talent doesn't exists"
- The untalented guy
ty So true.
No anger here. Truth!
Not a myth talent exist people saying otherwise want to sell you a product like in this video as hope sell well, doesnt mean that no practice or work is asked it mean that depending on your talent one may take magnitude of time the amount thats requiered by a talented person.
you have no future in motivational speaking. perhaps you should take up drawing or painting as a relief to your cynicism. I encourage commitment and dedication patient, and in time you’ll be proud of how far you’ve come.
@@ap_walkeryou keep appearing when ever someone says anything that goes against the "talent is a myth" talk. I think your most likely talented at drawing and you know it. But you dont like the label because you didnt have to work as hard as others to acquire your skills. And it makes you angry knowing that and soo you feel the need to defend yourself by making upp a lie in your head that "ooh i got good this fast, well i just worked harder then everyone else" and so the lie is established. Knowing full well that you only practiced for maybe halv or less then what a normal person born with no talent hade to go through in order to get good. Its truly sad to see people deilude themselves in to thinking "well i got to pro lvl with in two years or less because i worked hard". When in truth you dont even know what hard work really is. 😅😂
@@skyhavender I can’t draw or paint very well at all. I am mediocre at best at all things I do. But I do believe I can get better if I work harder. What is sad is the hopeless mentality you so eagerly defend. I believe you are projecting. Try harder and don’t give up. You may never win an award, but you can be better than you were before you started. Talent is irrelevant because the reward is achieved within yourself.
@@ap_walkerI practice for 6 hours sometimes more everyday. For seven months and i still cant draw well. I cant even do a good cube let alone a face. Whilest others can already do good faces and bodies within 3 months. Yet i still continue, even when i see no results. If you going to tell me that i am "projecting". Pewdiepie is the perfect example of pure natural talent. Most people are forced to draw crap they hate for months and years just to get okayish att drawing while's the people with talent can just jump right in to the things they like and keep getting better. Because they have no need to do almost any of the basics of drawing.
I sometimes i feel like burning everything i have ever drawn. To put into perspektiv. I want to do manga.
Its different from "just drawing" its a life in itself. But thats what i want to do. But i need to know how to draw and draw pro lvl in order to ever be allowed to publish anything in that industry. Do you understand how horrible it feels to have high standards and not being able to reach that lvl. Most likely ever. My characters i have in my head that i want to put to papper that i will never be able to realize because of how my brain works.
Its pure torture.
@@skyhavender the purpose of the video is to encourage people to stay committed to their goals and to discourage people from giving up because they view their success as impossible. It is necessary to set appropriate expectations. I am almost 40 years old. If I suddenly started announcing to everyone that I had every expectation to be an NBA starter, it would be foolish, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t get better at basketball. I might even be able to get pretty good. And I might have fun doing it. In my opinion, the best thing about art is that anyone can do it, or that it is accessible to everyone. taking time to practice an artistic skill, committing to the goal, and creating something, regardless of what it’s worth in monetary terms, it is still very much worth something in personal terms. the next creation will be worth even more, and with commitment and time it’s very likely that some progression will be observable in the works that were created. and that process can be a very valuable personal growth experience. essentially, never give up. If you die tomorrow, try to feel good about the art you made in your life. Not because it was competitive, but because you enjoyed doing it.
So cool! Shall we connect?
Read “Mastery” by Robert Greene
The more practice and work i put in the more talented i become.
TRUTH!!! 💜
I regret an entire decade that I stopped drawing and getting better because I was busy studying some dumb stuff I didn't even want to learn.