Loki, manifestation of Chaos. Thus we see Ragnarok literally come forth from him like the persons he has sired. Chaos isn't always bad, however, and thus we see how his other children rise to demigod-hood or godhood but never end up destroying or hurting someone. Instead those children stand out, like their destructive siblings, but for different reasons. Sleipnir was a six legged horse with greater speed than any other horse in the nine realms. Loki's two children by his wife are known only for the role they played in their father's imprisonment, suggesting that they were the only two of the Asgardians to have lived normal, stable lives. They were never gods but they never needed to be. Being normal among gods makes them special.
Thor: "Loki, the f*** is that!?" Loki: "That's mah boy, Sleipnir." Thor: "You're... his dad?" Loki: "His mother." Freya: "I told y'all about him bein' a freak!"
Personally, I believe that the reason Loki sent (and, as Thokk, kept) Baldur in Hel was a sort of banishment, to retaliate his own children's banishment. Fenrir bound, Jormungandr cast into the sea, and Hel sent as far from Asgard as possible; so Loki "banished" Odin's son, which also led to the death of Hoth.
That is an interesting point to bring up. Loki in this instance sounds like he’s putting the gods egos in check and making them realize that they must obey and respect the rules of death.
This has given me a lot to think about. I got misty-eyed imagining the scene where Nana and Baldur give Hermodthr gifts to take back to the gods, letting them know that death is not the end, just the start of another journey. Your final thoughts on him too, on a never-ending quest to redeem past actions. I too, will light some incense for the One Who Serves.
i love these videos about minor characters that dont get much attention! your perspective on whats said in the lokasenna and the interpretation of it is certainly refreshing food for thought, too 🤔
First time viewer, Lokaean for 35 years, love your storytelling! I have shared this video :) I love the "Fenrir Deserves Headpats," and now I go to the merch store... I grew up knowing that Loki is the God of "Painful Truth," and like Jung says (paraphrasing), those that deny the truth claim it to be a lie, until they realize what they are in the dark reflection of the black mirror. Don't really like Snorri, but I really like how you tell this tale and your explanations. P.S.: You hooked me at your horse joke.
It seems that one of the prevailing themes in Norse stories is that death is always inevitable even for the Asir, so I agree death is a necessarily maintained counterbalance to life.
Great point about Loki's motivations at the end of this one. Of course by then I had already punched the like button right after the first pun, as always
Your videos are excellent Ocean Keltoi, there are so many details about the myths I enjoy listening to in order to understand more about them. It is very enriching. And your puns along the way make it more enjoyable. The "Night-Mare" joke got me good. But the weeping joke? Even better 😂😂😂. " 10:52-10:55. "..and all things in the universe proceed accordingly and wept for Balder, even Jesus that's why he wept" 😂😂😂. Man...I laughed my ass off as I heard this.
I tend to think of the ways one can be a son and the ways one can be a parent. That perhaps Hermothr could be the adopted son of Odin. That he was brought into the family of the gods in a way to help him atone for his past mistakes by serving mankind as he was supposed to as a king.
The parallels between this figure and that of the Skull Knight from Berserk are surprisingly close. There had to have been some degree of inspiration when writing the character
Hail, Ocean Keltoi! I've recently been exploring Heathenry/Norse Paganism/Asatru, since the more I learn about it, the more I find that the path of the Aesir and the Vanir, the Landwights, and the Ancestors, and every other great God and Spirit, is most certainly for me. I've found your videos extremely informative and entertaining, and I'd like to thank you immensely for the work that you do. That said, however, the question I would ask you is, perhaps surprisingly, not related to the Faith, but rather, hair-style, or in our case, lack thereof. My choice of ensmoothening my noggin is a deeply personal one that, again, perhaps surprisingly, doesn't have anything to do with my faith, as I notice that quite a few of us like to go bare-domed, nor is it anything related to my health or anything like that. Suffice it to say, I'm trying to keep my head bald, and I must say, you have an enviously smooth and shiny scalp, good sir. And so I must ask; what is your secret? Are you naturally lacking in follicle, or is there a technique that I could employ to keep my crown free of those most undesirable of locks? TL;DR - Noob Heathen here, love your vids. I like your cut, gee. You wanna tell me how to be shiny like you?
Definitelty always saw Loki sabotaging the efforts to revive Baldur not as purely evil for its own sake but as a temperamental reaction against the gods pulling one over her daughter... even if Hel herself seemed totally cool with it
Such a fun video - I love all the snippets of information and stuff that we can infer about some of these "minor" characters in the myths. It's a fascinating line of research. Well done!
It actually did come in last in its first couple of races despite what the necromancer said. However, those who won quickly discovered the promised winnings were non-existent or far from the generous purses they were promised. Thus the resurrected steed began coming in first. The options were getting what they were promised for second and third place wins or getting nothing whatsoever. This is why there's really no point in beating a dead horse.
Wow Ocean, this was fascinating to me. Maybe it just caught me at the right moment but to me it was intriguing. Great job. Glad to see you're back as well.
I thought about leaving a clever pun before I'd finished watching the video... But that would be putting the cart before the horse. :-p Anyway, I'm fairly new to your channel and I love it! I also really appreciate how you give Loki the respect they deserve. It's refreshing to see as a Lokean. :)
I syncretize Hermodr with Hermes, not just because of the name, but the messenger and psychopomp aspects of him. The misdeeds could also relate to how Hermes has thief associations and makes amends. It also fits because it could add more interest in the interpretario Romana of Odin with Mercury and yet seeing them separate. I also see tit as a way to add to the triplism associated with Hermes, Odin, and Lugus.
Sleipnir is the funeral procession. The dead (rider) is upon its back. The legs represent the legs of paul bearers. This sounds like a shamanic rite to enter Hel's home.
It's all rite based dimension hacking, vale lifting stuff. Listening to ppl logically trying to box it into theories is like listening to Christians.. u will never figure it out like this. These stories are keys 🔑 thinking ain't dreaming and dreaming is only a launching point to learn to lift the vale
I love that you're videos always give different perspectives on things. I've always wondered if hermord could be a name for Odin himself, since he plays a psychopomp role in Snorri's story and also given the parallels between his name and the continental deity: Irmin. This is a lot of speculation tho and there are elements that point to another direction.
I understand that "eight-legged steed" was a euphemism for pall-bearers, which makes sense Hermodr would ride Sleipnir to Hel's realm and also reflects Odin's role as a death god but since no mention of this was in your video, I was perhaps misinformed by someone trying to justify their own point. If it's true however, perhaps this concept should be further expored regarding Sleipnir...
So what I realised about Loki is that he isn´t so much evil, Loki is a Trickster he is the one who shows the gods the errors he get´s balder killed but only because frigg didn´t thought the mispel would be a danger and then when the gods tried to just command everything in the universe to obey and weep he would not showing the gods that he doesn´t care what the gods want and in the story with Slepnir I read that it was Loki himself who got the Gods to accept the offer of the disguised giant and it´s horse and they didn´t checked that guy only in the end when things would get really bad for Freya, Loki saves the day so I think that Loki isn´t evil the gods are so full of themselfs in those stories that he shows them how arrogant they are
In practice I consider Hermod to be a sort of messenger god, in the way Hermes is in the greek pantheon. Both travel to an afterlife on business for their respective pantheon. It would also explain the name similarities. They could have the same root deity. I always thought considering hermes to be odin's equivalent in greek a bit silly.
I lack the reputation to do this myself, so would you please give the same treatment to Hildólfr from Hárbarðsljóð? I've thought for years that the position of his domain and its name, his own name and association with Odin, allow us to make some informed guesses as to his place and purpose in the greater mythic landscape.
From what I’ve read about the misunderstood god Loki, I truly feel he is trying to restore balance of Chaos and order and will do what’s necessary or unnecessary to keep it that way
This was indeed a beautiful and thought-provoking video. The idea that Loki would not shed a tear to maintain the balance between life and death really spins into more prominent aspects of Loki. His role in Ragnorok and the end of days. Is the tale of Hermodr just a small view into the Gods trying to stop death because they know of Ragnorok? I'm captivated and pensive now.
I’ve always been a bit fascinated by Móðguðr I wish there was much more written about her - if you think about it, it’s a extremely important task she has!
She's interesting because she fills the role that seems filled by Garmr in Baldr's Dream in the Poetic Edda. Perhaps that's a different gate or something, but there are multiple guardians to the land of the dead in Norse Myth.
@@OceanKeltoi The very good doggie, (I once heard a very wise man say something like; "all doggies are good doggies - and deserving of headpads", which ís a universal truth), Garmr is guarding the gate to Hel yes, the gate Móðguðr tell Hermóðr he will find if he travel toward north and downwards after he has crossed Gjallarbrú.. So while they share some function, Garmr is more Hel's personal guard dog and controlled by Hel, but Móðguðr is a Jötunn and guarding the divide between two worlds - as I understand it, she’s not a servant of Hel! I can’t help wonder what role she have when it comes to the dreygurs. While some of them perhaps, possibly might just has refused to go o Hel, have some of them escaped from some part of Hel, and are there other ways out? Has some of them even been denied access by Móðguðr, and if so, then why? And if it is like I think it is, that she’s not actually a form of servant to Hel, but a being that is there to guard the separation of worlds, what is the significance, were she seen as a form of guardian you would bring offerings to? There’s just something about this being that makes me wish we knew a lot more about her!
The story makes me think about the stories surrounding the Underworld. Like even when the people are offered the chance to go something goes wrong, making sure the dead remain very much that. Dead. The only exceptions we get is in the form of a manner of rebirth in one form or another. Personally, I think Baldr would have refused regardless. For honour sake more than love, after all he was a warrior. Eventhough the death itself was foolish, going back would also mean admitting he made a mistake or showed regret of his own choices instead of embracing them.
Wait a minute, if Loki already shed a tear before they delivered the message to Thokk, wouldn't that mean, Loki already fulfilled that requirement? In which case, that would mean Thokk is a different entity, because even when Loki shapeshifts into a different form, it is still his soul, not a new or separate entity, so Thokk must be a different entity unless there is a specification that Loki did not already cry for Baldr
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"...all things wept for Baldur, even Jesus!" ... hAhahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the synonymy of the loki sleipnir myth to the greek myth of poseidon's persute of demeter and the creation of arion is hard not to ignore. further compare that with two more myths, the competition between poseidon and athena over who the people of now athens were to worship, poseidon gifted horses and athena gifted the olive tree now go back to the myth of loki and the dwarves and the tools of the gods.
Cool and intersting video, as often. What I would like to stress however, is that the bridge resounding of Hermodr's passage does not necessarily mean he is alive and weighs too much for the bridge of the dead. The shaking is always a movement associated with great (divine) power in Norse myths, so it could just mean that Modgud recognized him as an Asa. But maybe you have some other elements to defend that it is because he is alive? I would be very interested in them.
If we are talking pre-Cristian influence Loki, probably maintaining the balance. Loki was the one everyone went to when the normal solution would not work. He could think of elaborate plans to circumvent the problem and reach a resolution. In short, Loki would be the Chaotic Good of the Norse pantheon.
The death of bauldr is quite interesting as it portrays Thor as a resurrectionist. Trying to use mjolnir as a means of bringing bauldr back. It also says Thor gets distracted and kills the dwarf who then died of the pyre. Hermodr dose say a lot about death rituals.Even a way to return the dead to life. I find it fascinating. That tears can return someone to life. Even wonder what happens if you write runes with tears? I have still kind of waiting to find out on that one? Algiz rune in particular. It seam the tale suggest the tears are what are needed to return people to life. Not just any tears neither. Nope by the sound of the tale tears of the someone how feel loss deeply. Feels wronged by the loss. Hermodr is a great tale. On par with many messengers. Funny that I can get his name by anagramming mine. I also seen it spelled hermod/hermodd which seems extremely Saxon in spelling? It also infers dreams as often we travel in our dreams to place we can’t reach on foot. I believe you may have covered this in an early rendition? Some time around or between 2020-mid 2021. Very entertaining though memory of it hazy? As I do follow others that have TH-cam and discussed it at length so could be crossing my streams a little. thankful you enlightened me to Beowulf link. Much appreciated! The embers of that story needed stoking. As for sleipnir I had wondered if Loki had been bitten by a spider before hand? Before he went swing all over town? Spider venom then got caught shagging pony? Truly mad. I love to have the fastest stead as my ride. Just to gallop between realm. It also said hermodr is often sent by Odin through the realms to gather and give information to various people on the world tree. Travel the path least walked. travel the path few known. Never travel the same road twice. The old thing of I’ve traveled this road many times! yet, it’s never the same road twice! For each day there is something different. changes I know not? People and places I know little? but many a tale they have got! As in life so in death! The cycle will continue even if I’m not there to see it. It shall be for all who journey. Read me of a few old church hymns I once knew well. One that talks about taking journey with people. Lord of the dance is one, I struggle to recall the others. But there were a few I used to sign at Junior praise. The one I have that is but a fragment in my memory talks about walking with people. Often sung at school assemblies as well. Just wonder if there’s any significance? Anyway great plug! Love to see more!
Norse mythology does read as much as fate as the conclusion of choices which never change. Perhaps it wasnt loki in the cave but a giant who knows how their people are treated and loki simply knew this and knew his daughter would not let Baldur go without all things weeping but knew of a scorned giant unwilling to weep for a god who would allow her people to die for nothing else but a territorial dispute
I think Sleipnir being only brought up, effectively when someone needs to go to see Hel, is probably because they're brother and sister. Remember Loki supposedly got banged by Svaldilfari (the horse that helped the giant erect Asgard's defenses) as a Mare and shat out Sleipnir at some point later. There might only be a specific way for her kin to come and go freely...or she just really likes horse bro.
The absence in the myths we have of what happens to Nanna after Baldr is resurrected is an extension of the general frustration I feel about the fact that we aren’t told the fate of any of the goddesses during and after Ragnarok. I mean Freyja is literally a goddess of war, why would she NOT be involved??? I smell yet more Christian meddling.
Slepnir has 8 legs because he symbolizes 4 men carrying a coffin. Slepnir's role as a psychopomp servant of Odin is carrying the souls of the dead to the afterlife just as the Valkyries do for Odin and Freya.
I find it fascinating that a child of Loki (Sleipnir) was the one to carry Hermodr to Hel, another child of Loki
Hel: How did you get here?
Hermodr: I rode your half brother for nine nights, awww yeah
Hel: =blinks=
Loki, manifestation of Chaos. Thus we see Ragnarok literally come forth from him like the persons he has sired. Chaos isn't always bad, however, and thus we see how his other children rise to demigod-hood or godhood but never end up destroying or hurting someone. Instead those children stand out, like their destructive siblings, but for different reasons. Sleipnir was a six legged horse with greater speed than any other horse in the nine realms. Loki's two children by his wife are known only for the role they played in their father's imprisonment, suggesting that they were the only two of the Asgardians to have lived normal, stable lives. They were never gods but they never needed to be. Being normal among gods makes them special.
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Lmao 💀
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Wait so, wouldn't those 2 "regular" kids of his still be demigods??
@@thalmoragent9344 Yes. But their fates are quite grim.
Thor: "Loki, the f*** is that!?"
Loki: "That's mah boy, Sleipnir."
Thor: "You're... his dad?"
Loki: "His mother."
Freya: "I told y'all about him bein' a freak!"
Thor; "well that explains why he went through so much trouble just to see me wearing a dress, (he could just have asked*giggles*)"
Freya has zero right to call anyone a freak lmao
Personally, I believe that the reason Loki sent (and, as Thokk, kept) Baldur in Hel was a sort of banishment, to retaliate his own children's banishment. Fenrir bound, Jormungandr cast into the sea, and Hel sent as far from Asgard as possible; so Loki "banished" Odin's son, which also led to the death of Hoth.
Definitely my take to. To me the eddas are a tale of how “fate” sets people against each other.
The way i see it is simply loki being jelly in the belly
And ofcause being the blood brother of the King one must test how much one can do before put in chain and have poison droppede into the eyes
That is an interesting point to bring up. Loki in this instance sounds like he’s putting the gods egos in check and making them realize that they must obey and respect the rules of death.
I live for your necromancy jokes 😂, I also love the fact you make videos on gods that most wouldn't even know about because they're not mainstream
His necromancy jokes are to die for
THANK YOU for bringing up the issue with Nanna. It has always bothered me that she would apparently be screwed over.
More on her in my most recent video
Lol even Jesus that why he wept. Aw that is now a classic.
"The dead travel fast" Bram Stoker
... Alright that intro joke was way better than it deserved to be.
I don't know who I am mad at more, you for making bad puns or myself for laughing at them.
Let the hate flow through you
"Fenrir deserves headpats" - Indeed!
I have to “Hermodr the former mortal made Aesir in a quest for redemption” is a lot more compelling than “Hermodr, Thor’s even lesser know brother”
Hermodr, Thor’s brother. No, the other brother. No, the other other brother. No! The… fuck it.
"...even Jesus--that's why he wept"...made me guffaw !
This has given me a lot to think about. I got misty-eyed imagining the scene where Nana and Baldur give Hermodthr gifts to take back to the gods, letting them know that death is not the end, just the start of another journey. Your final thoughts on him too, on a never-ending quest to redeem past actions. I too, will light some incense for the One Who Serves.
Hermodr...may you be free of the guilt that burdens your soul and find solace in your service.
You don’t hear many stories of Sleipnir. This is fascinating! 🐴
i love these videos about minor characters that dont get much attention! your perspective on whats said in the lokasenna and the interpretation of it is certainly refreshing food for thought, too 🤔
First time viewer, Lokaean for 35 years, love your storytelling! I have shared this video :) I love the "Fenrir Deserves Headpats," and now I go to the merch store...
I grew up knowing that Loki is the God of "Painful Truth," and like Jung says (paraphrasing), those that deny the truth claim it to be a lie, until they realize what they are in the dark reflection of the black mirror. Don't really like Snorri, but I really like how you tell this tale and your explanations.
P.S.: You hooked me at your horse joke.
It seems that one of the prevailing themes in Norse stories is that death is always inevitable even for the Asir, so I agree death is a necessarily maintained counterbalance to life.
Great point about Loki's motivations at the end of this one. Of course by then I had already punched the like button right after the first pun, as always
I've never thought of the Loki story in that way before. It was refreshing and it makes me love Loki even more
As someone who’s just getting into this first out of curiosity then as a comforting experience. Thank you for sharing what you know.
This is the greatest story I have ever heard you tell and I think loki was maintaining the balance between life and death ☠️💀
Me too. Loki works against the status quo when the system stagnates and what Frigg tried to do was unnatural
I really enjoyed this story. Another great video, Ocean!
Intro was magic. I love you. This is the energy we need these days
Your videos are excellent Ocean Keltoi, there are so many details about the myths I enjoy listening to in order to understand more about them. It is very enriching. And your puns along the way make it more enjoyable. The "Night-Mare" joke got me good. But the weeping joke? Even better 😂😂😂.
" 10:52-10:55. "..and all things in the universe proceed accordingly and wept for Balder, even Jesus that's why he wept" 😂😂😂.
Man...I laughed my ass off as I heard this.
I tend to think of the ways one can be a son and the ways one can be a parent. That perhaps Hermothr could be the adopted son of Odin. That he was brought into the family of the gods in a way to help him atone for his past mistakes by serving mankind as he was supposed to as a king.
That first 30 seconds was a LONG way for a dad joke. I approve. Thumbs up.
I laughed at the "nightmare" pun harder than I should have
The parallels between this figure and that of the Skull Knight from Berserk are surprisingly close.
There had to have been some degree of inspiration when writing the character
This would really be a good movie
Keep the videos coming Ocean, we love them💜
Necromaner horse gambler.. next dnd character here i come?
Hail, Ocean Keltoi! I've recently been exploring Heathenry/Norse Paganism/Asatru, since the more I learn about it, the more I find that the path of the Aesir and the Vanir, the Landwights, and the Ancestors, and every other great God and Spirit, is most certainly for me. I've found your videos extremely informative and entertaining, and I'd like to thank you immensely for the work that you do.
That said, however, the question I would ask you is, perhaps surprisingly, not related to the Faith, but rather, hair-style, or in our case, lack thereof. My choice of ensmoothening my noggin is a deeply personal one that, again, perhaps surprisingly, doesn't have anything to do with my faith, as I notice that quite a few of us like to go bare-domed, nor is it anything related to my health or anything like that. Suffice it to say, I'm trying to keep my head bald, and I must say, you have an enviously smooth and shiny scalp, good sir.
And so I must ask; what is your secret? Are you naturally lacking in follicle, or is there a technique that I could employ to keep my crown free of those most undesirable of locks?
TL;DR - Noob Heathen here, love your vids. I like your cut, gee. You wanna tell me how to be shiny like you?
Definitelty always saw Loki sabotaging the efforts to revive Baldur not as purely evil for its own sake but as a temperamental reaction against the gods pulling one over her daughter... even if Hel herself seemed totally cool with it
Such a fun video - I love all the snippets of information and stuff that we can infer about some of these "minor" characters in the myths. It's a fascinating line of research. Well done!
I'm surprised your horse won I was sure it would have been dead last
It actually did come in last in its first couple of races despite what the necromancer said. However, those who won quickly discovered the promised winnings were non-existent or far from the generous purses they were promised. Thus the resurrected steed began coming in first. The options were getting what they were promised for second and third place wins or getting nothing whatsoever. This is why there's really no point in beating a dead horse.
once again thank you for your work
I wonder if Slepnir being a half sibling to Hel has anything to do with the Aesir riding them to Helheim
Wow Ocean, this was fascinating to me. Maybe it just caught me at the right moment but to me it was intriguing. Great job. Glad to see you're back as well.
I thought about leaving a clever pun before I'd finished watching the video... But that would be putting the cart before the horse. :-p
Anyway, I'm fairly new to your channel and I love it! I also really appreciate how you give Loki the respect they deserve. It's refreshing to see as a Lokean. :)
I syncretize Hermodr with Hermes, not just because of the name, but the messenger and psychopomp aspects of him. The misdeeds could also relate to how Hermes has thief associations and makes amends. It also fits because it could add more interest in the interpretario Romana of Odin with Mercury and yet seeing them separate. I also see tit as a way to add to the triplism associated with Hermes, Odin, and Lugus.
Amazing story! Amaazing take on the Loki Balder mythos. Bless.
I swear on my left sock...i Love your Intro !
Like the Synthi-Sound...
Another piece to the puzzle!! 8 legs n all!!?? I took notes n made notes for my studies!!!
Thanks for sharing 👍!!!
👍🐺🧙♂️🦊👍!!!!
Sleipnir is the funeral procession. The dead (rider) is upon its back. The legs represent the legs of paul bearers. This sounds like a shamanic rite to enter Hel's home.
Exactly. It is.
It's all rite based dimension hacking, vale lifting stuff. Listening to ppl logically trying to box it into theories is like listening to Christians.. u will never figure it out like this. These stories are keys 🔑 thinking ain't dreaming and dreaming is only a launching point to learn to lift the vale
THANK YOU!! I have always believed that Loki did this all in plan.
A story well told, sir! Thank you!
Nice video. Hermòdr is also a truly incredible Swedish band as well.
Really enjoyed this, thank you.
Love this story, I like the way you tell it :)
the puns in this video are top tier
I love that you're videos always give different perspectives on things. I've always wondered if hermord could be a name for Odin himself, since he plays a psychopomp role in Snorri's story and also given the parallels between his name and the continental deity: Irmin. This is a lot of speculation tho and there are elements that point to another direction.
Outstanding as usual!
I understand that "eight-legged steed" was a euphemism for pall-bearers, which makes sense Hermodr would ride Sleipnir to Hel's realm and also reflects Odin's role as a death god but since no mention of this was in your video, I was perhaps misinformed by someone trying to justify their own point. If it's true however, perhaps this concept should be further expored regarding Sleipnir...
I love these videos, especially puns, keep it up!
You sound like a preacher for Paganism. I’m all for it as a Norse Pagan.
You're a pagan? I'm also retarded
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@@Dice_roller problem lil dude?
You just popped up on my feed....watched, liked and subscribed!
Greetings from a Swede in Glasgow, Scotland....
So what I realised about Loki is that he isn´t so much evil, Loki is a Trickster he is the one who shows the gods the errors he get´s balder killed but only because frigg didn´t thought the mispel would be a danger and then when the gods tried to just command everything in the universe to obey and weep he would not showing the gods that he doesn´t care what the gods want
and in the story with Slepnir I read that it was Loki himself who got the Gods to accept the offer of the disguised giant and it´s horse and they didn´t checked that guy only in the end when things would get really bad for Freya, Loki saves the day
so I think that Loki isn´t evil the gods are so full of themselfs in those stories that he shows them how arrogant they are
The puns are beyond glorious!
Thank you for sharing it's about time I get up on my Norse mythology
Love the content brother, such an interesting story
“As a necromancer…”
I never understood why people need to label themselves. But this is quite the video opening 😂
Absolutely loved this one. ❤️ I honestly believe that it was a balance issue a reminder that all things will pass and become part of the cycle.
That opening deserved a like
In practice I consider Hermod to be a sort of messenger god, in the way Hermes is in the greek pantheon. Both travel to an afterlife on business for their respective pantheon. It would also explain the name similarities. They could have the same root deity. I always thought considering hermes to be odin's equivalent in greek a bit silly.
I lack the reputation to do this myself, so would you please give the same treatment to Hildólfr from Hárbarðsljóð? I've thought for years that the position of his domain and its name, his own name and association with Odin, allow us to make some informed guesses as to his place and purpose in the greater mythic landscape.
From what I’ve read about the misunderstood god Loki, I truly feel he is trying to restore balance of Chaos and order and will do what’s necessary or unnecessary to keep it that way
This was indeed a beautiful and thought-provoking video. The idea that Loki would not shed a tear to maintain the balance between life and death really spins into more prominent aspects of Loki. His role in Ragnorok and the end of days. Is the tale of Hermodr just a small view into the Gods trying to stop death because they know of Ragnorok?
I'm captivated and pensive now.
I’ve always been a bit fascinated by Móðguðr
I wish there was much more written about her - if you think about it, it’s a extremely important task she has!
She's interesting because she fills the role that seems filled by Garmr in Baldr's Dream in the Poetic Edda. Perhaps that's a different gate or something, but there are multiple guardians to the land of the dead in Norse Myth.
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The very good doggie, (I once heard a very wise man say something like; "all doggies are good doggies - and deserving of headpads", which ís a universal truth), Garmr is guarding the gate to Hel yes, the gate Móðguðr tell Hermóðr he will find if he travel toward north and downwards after he has crossed Gjallarbrú..
So while they share some function, Garmr is more Hel's personal guard dog and controlled by Hel, but Móðguðr is a Jötunn and guarding the divide between two worlds - as I understand it, she’s not a servant of Hel!
I can’t help wonder what role she have when it comes to the dreygurs.
While some of them perhaps, possibly might just has refused to go o Hel, have some of them escaped from some part of Hel, and are there other ways out?
Has some of them even been denied access by Móðguðr, and if so, then why?
And if it is like I think it is, that she’s not actually a form of servant to Hel, but a being that is there to guard the separation of worlds, what is the significance, were she seen as a form of guardian you would bring offerings to?
There’s just something about this being that makes me wish we knew a lot more about her!
Enjoy the great Ocean videos 💙
Where Baldur & Hel “a thing” the reason I ask is sometimes Hel is depicted as the mother to Krampus (Evil Santa)
There's no suggestion that Baldr and Hel are in that kind of relationship. Far as we can tell, Baldr is in Helheim with Nanna.
“even Jesus that’s why he wept” lmao 😂
Thank you for sharing this knowledge and faith, very informative and well-done. You just earned a sub 🍺
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[2:20] Thanks history.
That's where all the best beastmonsters come from.
The story makes me think about the stories surrounding the Underworld. Like even when the people are offered the chance to go something goes wrong, making sure the dead remain very much that. Dead.
The only exceptions we get is in the form of a manner of rebirth in one form or another.
Personally, I think Baldr would have refused regardless.
For honour sake more than love, after all he was a warrior. Eventhough the death itself was foolish, going back would also mean admitting he made a mistake or showed regret of his own choices instead of embracing them.
Wait a minute, if Loki already shed a tear before they delivered the message to Thokk, wouldn't that mean, Loki already fulfilled that requirement? In which case, that would mean Thokk is a different entity, because even when Loki shapeshifts into a different form, it is still his soul, not a new or separate entity, so Thokk must be a different entity unless there is a specification that Loki did not already cry for Baldr
"...all things wept for Baldur, even Jesus!" ... hAhahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
When you try to beat a dead horse you come in dead last.... your joke was better, but I couldn't help myself
Old Alaskan proverb - you can bring a horse to completion but you can’t make him drink it.
I think that’s how it goes
the synonymy of the loki sleipnir myth to the greek myth of poseidon's persute of demeter and the creation of arion is hard not to ignore. further compare that with two more myths, the competition between poseidon and athena over who the people of now athens were to worship, poseidon gifted horses and athena gifted the olive tree now go back to the myth of loki and the dwarves and the tools of the gods.
Cool and intersting video, as often. What I would like to stress however, is that the bridge resounding of Hermodr's passage does not necessarily mean he is alive and weighs too much for the bridge of the dead. The shaking is always a movement associated with great (divine) power in Norse myths, so it could just mean that Modgud recognized him as an Asa. But maybe you have some other elements to defend that it is because he is alive? I would be very interested in them.
If we are talking pre-Cristian influence Loki, probably maintaining the balance. Loki was the one everyone went to when the normal solution would not work. He could think of elaborate plans to circumvent the problem and reach a resolution. In short, Loki would be the Chaotic Good of the Norse pantheon.
2:30 is basically how i explain norse paganism to my friends who have questions
So techniqually since Nanna was in hel Loki did Baldr a favor by refusing to weep for him as the other aesir did.
The death of bauldr is quite interesting as it portrays Thor as a resurrectionist. Trying to use mjolnir as a means of bringing bauldr back. It also says Thor gets distracted and kills the dwarf who then died of the pyre. Hermodr dose say a lot about death rituals.Even a way to return the dead to life. I find it fascinating. That tears can return someone to life. Even wonder what happens if you write runes with tears? I have still kind of waiting to find out on that one? Algiz rune in particular. It seam the tale suggest the tears are what are needed to return people to life. Not just any tears neither. Nope by the sound of the tale tears of the someone how feel loss deeply. Feels wronged by the loss. Hermodr is a great tale. On par with many messengers. Funny that I can get his name by anagramming mine. I also seen it spelled hermod/hermodd which seems extremely Saxon in spelling? It also infers dreams as often we travel in our dreams to place we can’t reach on foot. I believe you may have covered this in an early rendition? Some time around or between 2020-mid 2021. Very entertaining though memory of it hazy? As I do follow others that have TH-cam and discussed it at length so could be crossing my streams a little. thankful you enlightened me to Beowulf link. Much appreciated! The embers of that story needed stoking. As for sleipnir I had wondered if Loki had been bitten by a spider before hand? Before he went swing all over town? Spider venom then got caught shagging pony? Truly mad. I love to have the fastest stead as my ride. Just to gallop between realm. It also said hermodr is often sent by Odin through the realms to gather and give information to various people on the world tree. Travel the path least walked. travel the path few known. Never travel the same road twice. The old thing of I’ve traveled this road many times! yet, it’s never the same road twice! For each day there is something different. changes I know not? People and places I know little? but many a tale they have got! As in life so in death! The cycle will continue even if I’m not there to see it. It shall be for all who journey. Read me of a few old church hymns I once knew well. One that talks about taking journey with people. Lord of the dance is one, I struggle to recall the others. But there were a few I used to sign at Junior praise. The one I have that is but a fragment in my memory talks about walking with people. Often sung at school assemblies as well. Just wonder if there’s any significance? Anyway great plug! Love to see more!
Norse mythology does read as much as fate as the conclusion of choices which never change. Perhaps it wasnt loki in the cave but a giant who knows how their people are treated and loki simply knew this and knew his daughter would not let Baldur go without all things weeping but knew of a scorned giant unwilling to weep for a god who would allow her people to die for nothing else but a territorial dispute
Hermodr was like Hermes who like the Hermodr traveled between realms especially to the Underworld.
Angry "like" right at the start for a punny intro as always!
Great video.
I think Sleipnir being only brought up, effectively when someone needs to go to see Hel, is probably because they're brother and sister. Remember Loki supposedly got banged by Svaldilfari (the horse that helped the giant erect Asgard's defenses) as a Mare and shat out Sleipnir at some point later. There might only be a specific way for her kin to come and go freely...or she just really likes horse bro.
Time seems to have a lot of secrets
Excellent video Ocean!!🖕
It's kinda sweet if you think about Sleipner's main job is basically helping his grandpa get around.
Viking comedy, love it
The absence in the myths we have of what happens to Nanna after Baldr is resurrected is an extension of the general frustration I feel about the fact that we aren’t told the fate of any of the goddesses during and after Ragnarok. I mean Freyja is literally a goddess of war, why would she NOT be involved??? I smell yet more Christian meddling.
Slepnir has 8 legs because he symbolizes 4 men carrying a coffin. Slepnir's role as a psychopomp servant of Odin is carrying the souls of the dead to the afterlife just as the Valkyries do for Odin and Freya.
whats your opinion on polynesian mythos, kinda wandered into your channel today
Ocean Keltoi. Honestly, I always thought Hermodr was the Nordic equivalent of Hermes.