Jets need to figure out their prospect management. Losing a guy like this. Unacceptable. How many times do we have to ruin our super good draft picks by not developing them properly, whilst also giving them NHL minutes. Heinola, Perfettis been mismanaged in my opinion, and now Rutger. Future captain we all thought.
This kids going to be elite, and as much as I believe everyone should have to earn their spot, with a guy as good as this, just give him his shot, man.
This team appears to be notorious for not promoting talent. We are a draft and develop team and, while the window might be cracked, we need to get our players NHL playing time. GO JETS GO!
Rutger seems to confuse the Jets (a top 10 team) with the Ducks or the Blackhawks (bottom feeder teams)... where is buddies got ice time at the end of last season. Of course he didn't get guaranteed time heading into the playoffs last season, which is what he demanded. Other top 10 teams wouldn't throw a rookie right into the fire out of college into the NHL playoffs. I realize this is not any concern for young McGrorty, but the Jets were in it to win. The Jets were all in .. and made big trades for veteran players heading into the playoffs, along with other contending playoff teams. Bottom feeder teams are developing young players, because they aren't hunting for a playoff position. Rutger didn't get his ELC at the end of last season because there was no room, and now his ego is bruised and he wants out.
About time for jets fans to organize and start putting some pressure in management. That´s how things happen down here in Brazil, whenever team directors or managers start to make stupid decisions our "ultras" bring up a protest and make these people realize the team is not theirs only, they have to respect fans inteligence and make sure the team tries their best to retain good talent and players that have a good impact on the community and fan base.
@@oozyalmond7079 I understand the culture around sports is very different, lived in Winnipeg for 2.5 years and always felt a bit awkward that a small city with a team in a big league didn't have a more vibrant fan base. I still think you guys could work something out, I never attended a Jets game because I was too expensive for me, people who can't afford a ticket but are still willing to support the club should be organizing and finding ways to get together and support their team. A natural consequence would be the growth of these groups and pressure would be built so management becomes more professional and reliable. But I'm probably being too optimistic...
Turns out there’s more to the story (big surprise!) Rutger doesn’t have any interest in signing with the Jets. The Jets *wanted* to sign him and went to him with the ELC. You got the story wrong man!
work with him we cant lose prospects treat him like a pro also i would have pulled the goalie several times in the playoffs make sharper decisions management
Seems like half our team from a few seasons ago has won a cup with other teams: Bogosian, now kulikov and Maurice. Kane on the other side this year while not playing much 😂
Sad about Mcgroarty I thought he could be a Chris Krieder type of guy for us. I feel Lucius who finds himself because of injury behind Lambert,Chibrikov,Barlow,Salmonsson,Heinola. Could also want out just no leverage. Whether jets include Ehlers,Perfetti,Mcgroarty,Lucius,Iafallo,Pionk,Stanley in trades guys I'd look for in return. 1. I think UFA Hamonic,Reimer,Driedger,even Staal/Bortuzzo from ThunderBay. 2. Byram/Savoie or Benson from Buffalo 3. BreadenSchneider NYC 4. KentJohnson/Mataychuk Columbus 5. Yager/Pickering Pittsburgh 6. Connor Geekie/Guenther Utah 7. Nate Danielson Detroit 8. Montreals top 10 pick,Reinbacher or Dach. 9. Necas/Jarvis 10. Podkolzin/Holtz
This is such a miff on the part of Jets management. Sure, earn your spot, but our conservativeness was not appropriate in this situation. Chevy is like Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber, at the end of the movie - opportunities knocking and he's busy giving directions. Sheeeesh.
That's it. Who do we fire when Rutger starts making an immediate impact in the NHL. I want someone, probably someones, fired. We need to stop pissing off our elite young players. Enough is enough.
i hope he can talk w arniel and arniel encourages him to join. I feel like bones had a play in saying he wont be guaranteed time, look at perfetti in the box.
Is that going to happen to all there prospects???? That would be crazy. It’s about time to put there prospects in and see what they can do !!!! Put them in the middle six or bottom six and go from there guys !!!! It’s time to get youth and faster skaters in that would bring more fans in !!!
I can see telling him that he would likely start in the AHL and not guarantee an NHL spot. He has not played any games in the Jets system for them to evaluate how he does against pro vs against college and junior players. He would have to earn an NHL position in training camp. I am not saying he is not NHL ready, he just has to prove it in training camp. I can also see the Jets not bringing him in when they were fighting for first in the division, as he would probably not get into any of those games or the playoff games. So other than being a black ace practice player he would not get much development. I also get his point of view as well not wanting to be stuck in the AHL for a long time. And I don't think he would be there long unless he ran into major injury troubles. He maybe be the Jets no. 1 prospect according to the media right now, but Lambert and Chibrikov would currently be ahead of him on the depth chart. He might fit in on the 3rd or fourth line to start the season but who do you move out to make space? I see Lambert taking Ehlers spot if he gets traded and Chibrikov taking Iafallo's or Barron's. Of course if Monahan does not resign that opens up a top 6 spot to Battle for.
@@lordrayden3045 I wouldn't cry if he walks away. I'm just saying how can you guarantee an NHL spot for a player that has never played a regular or post season NHL game, taking a job from an existing player who earned the spot over others who are playing in the AHL, just because that player thinks he is NHL ready.
@@scottturner4676 Everything I’ve read says he’s a future captain, junior champion, etc Also high level NCAA hockey is as good or better than the NHL. If you believe he’s going to be good, you say “ok” and put him on the NHL roster. If you think he’s not ready, then he’d be an idiot to sign for an AHL deal. Just play the year in college and walk as a UFA. On top of this embarrassment, the jets have killed any trade value as well
If he`s going back to the NCAA, guarantee him a spot in 25-26,, competition is much higher in AHL,,,he can learn the system at least, your dreaming if you think you can keep him after his elc, hes already not a team player this puts the Ball in Chevys court tottally unless the right deal happens I`m guessing Chevy lets him play in the NCAA, THIS`LL fizzle out
I don't think the Jets are wrong to not GUARANTEE a spot to Rutger. If he won a spot over Appleton, Barron, Iafallo and was still with the Moose then he has every right to be upset. We get mad at the Ville situation because by every metric he should have gotten the opportunity that has gone to Stanley. No prospect has a right to an NHL roster spot. Ville is right to be mad because he's been stuck behind a worse player. Perfetti has a right to be mad because he was scratched during offensive woes while being a 20-goal scorer. What has Rutger done to earn the right to be mad before he ever competed for a Jets job for 1 second?
@@lordrayden3045 He won’t walk as an FA. Every report says a trade is likely happening within the week. A likely NHL ready or at least close player on a 3 year ELC will be tempting to a lot of teams.
@@TheWailer56 Why would he accept a trade? I realize they could trade him, why the he’ll would a team give up anything, let alone anything of value? And then why would he sign with the new team? Just wait a year and you’re a UFA Jets fans are deluding themselves if they think they are getting a big , if any return here
rutger was never going to sign here. he did not want to play in winnipeg. its that simple. everytime he was asked about signing with the jets he never gave a clear answer. he never said he was exited to be a jet. he knew he was never going to sign here well before his season was done. go and watch his past interviews. it was obvious.
AHL vs big time NCAA hockey… Gee wonder which one is more attractive ? Afterwards, one more NCAA season and he’s a UFA and can go do what ever he wants. Jets blew it
If the details on this are true, what's wrong with earning the job through training camp or spending some of the season or a full season the AHL? If he's and NHLer, they'll play him
@@lordrayden3045why don’t they want to? Seems like he’d be a waaay better player by the end of the year than Appleton, prob even by end of the first month lol
Why not just sign him and let him play on the 4th line and move him up slowly if he plays well and if you see that he’s not ready put him in the ahl Edit: Heard people say that is the other way round and he doesn’t want to sign his ecl it that true ?
Where are you getting this information from? Its a very strong opinion- but is this a fact?? My guess is that if this as true at all- it's more plausible that McGroarty simply doesn't want to play in Winnipeg. I can't see the Jets/Chevy dumping him when there is such a simple fix (just play him, dump Appleton hopefully). I love your posts but unless you state where you're getting this information, I can't believe this is true at all.
no american kid would ever want to play in loseapeg, theyve never won anything, they have the smallest rink in the league, theres literally nothing there, no baseball no football nothing just cold, snow and delusional fans. how theyve even managed to keep the goalie there in mind blowing
Sad about Mcgroarty I thought he could be a Chris Krieder type of guy for us. I feel Lucius who finds himself because of injury behind Lambert,Chibrikov,Barlow,Salmonsson,Heinola. Could also want out just no leverage. Whether jets include Ehlers,Perfetti,Mcgroarty,Lucius,Iafallo,Pionk,Stanley in trades guys I'd look for in return. 1. I think UFA Hamonic,Reimer,Driedger,even Staal/Bortuzzo from ThunderBay. 2. Byram/Savoie or Benson from Buffalo 3. BreadenSchneider NYC 4. KentJohnson/Mataychuk Columbus 5. Yager/Pickering Pittsburgh 6. Connor Geekie/Guenther Utah 7. Nate Danielson Detroit 8. Montreals top 10 pick,Reinbacher or Dach. 9. Necas/Jarvis 10. Podkolzin/Holtz I agree next year if its more of same old bs iafallo,schmidt,pionk,Stanley,Barron,Appleton,gus,kupari,ajf getting time over Heinola,Lambert,Chibrikov,Salmonsson im done with the team. Or make significant trades No old UFA luke Monahan taking time away from prospects. We used to let our prospects get games in or play NHL since 2017/2018 we havent. - Scheifele got his whatever it is 7/9 gp in before Barrie and U20. Being 3rd liner before working way up behind Little/Jokinen/Antropov. -Trouba got NHL time -Copp/Roslovic/Connor/Lowry/Appleton/Tanev. -Morrissey got time even with Enstrom,Myers,Trouba,Byfuglien. -Hellebuyck got reigns after Pavelec Since then jets have been having guys like maenalainen,stenlund,kuhlman,AJF,Toninato,kupari,stanley,schmidt,pionk,bitetto,Beaulieu,sbisa,shaw,bourque,poolman, ect Even Vesalainen,Chisholm were mishandled imo Why has Stanley and others had so mamy chances and Heinola barely any? I wouldnt be surprised if Lucius felt same way as Rutger being behind Perfetti,Chibrikov,Lambert and most likely Barlow when ready he should be included in trades since hes our 4th best Forward prospect but on other teams would be top 2 or #1. And chevy/chipman have nerve blame fans...
Jets need to figure out their prospect management. Losing a guy like this. Unacceptable. How many times do we have to ruin our super good draft picks by not developing them properly, whilst also giving them NHL minutes. Heinola, Perfettis been mismanaged in my opinion, and now Rutger. Future captain we all thought.
This kids going to be elite, and as much as I believe everyone should have to earn their spot, with a guy as good as this, just give him his shot, man.
Tough days being a Winnipeg jets fans
I really want to believe he will be a Jet at the end of all this.... Hard news...
This team appears to be notorious for not promoting talent. We are a draft and develop team and, while the window might be cracked, we need to get our players NHL playing time. GO JETS GO!
Rutger seems to confuse the Jets (a top 10 team) with the Ducks or the Blackhawks (bottom feeder teams)... where is buddies got ice time at the end of last season. Of course he didn't get guaranteed time heading into the playoffs last season, which is what he demanded. Other top 10 teams wouldn't throw a rookie right into the fire out of college into the NHL playoffs. I realize this is not any concern for young McGrorty, but the Jets were in it to win. The Jets were all in .. and made big trades for veteran players heading into the playoffs, along with other contending playoff teams. Bottom feeder teams are developing young players, because they aren't hunting for a playoff position. Rutger didn't get his ELC at the end of last season because there was no room, and now his ego is bruised and he wants out.
About time for jets fans to organize and start putting some pressure in management. That´s how things happen down here in Brazil, whenever team directors or managers start to make stupid decisions our "ultras" bring up a protest and make these people realize the team is not theirs only, they have to respect fans inteligence and make sure the team tries their best to retain good talent and players that have a good impact on the community and fan base.
sadly this is north america. We dont have an atmosphere or anything incredible like that. I dont even remember any time management has listened to us
@@oozyalmond7079 I understand the culture around sports is very different, lived in Winnipeg for 2.5 years and always felt a bit awkward that a small city with a team in a big league didn't have a more vibrant fan base. I still think you guys could work something out, I never attended a Jets game because I was too expensive for me, people who can't afford a ticket but are still willing to support the club should be organizing and finding ways to get together and support their team. A natural consequence would be the growth of these groups and pressure would be built so management becomes more professional and reliable.
But I'm probably being too optimistic...
we just spent 2 years changingthe culture ,it changed for the better, givinghim his way is a step backward
Vesalainen was given 70 games, got 2 goals. Never understood why he was given so many chances and other prospects aren’t even given a sniff.
Turns out there’s more to the story (big surprise!) Rutger doesn’t have any interest in signing with the Jets. The Jets *wanted* to sign him and went to him with the ELC. You got the story wrong man!
work with him we cant lose prospects treat him like a pro also i would have pulled the goalie several times in the playoffs make sharper decisions management
Dang this sucks I would have loved to see Rutger play for the Jets but i guess that's not happening I think definitely gonna be a stud in the NHL
Seems like half our team from a few seasons ago has won a cup with other teams: Bogosian, now kulikov and Maurice. Kane on the other side this year while not playing much 😂
Sad about Mcgroarty I thought he could be a Chris Krieder type of guy for us.
I feel Lucius who finds himself because of injury behind Lambert,Chibrikov,Barlow,Salmonsson,Heinola. Could also want out just no leverage.
Whether jets include Ehlers,Perfetti,Mcgroarty,Lucius,Iafallo,Pionk,Stanley in trades guys I'd look for in return.
1. I think UFA Hamonic,Reimer,Driedger,even Staal/Bortuzzo from ThunderBay.
2. Byram/Savoie or Benson from Buffalo
3. BreadenSchneider NYC
4. KentJohnson/Mataychuk Columbus
5. Yager/Pickering Pittsburgh
6. Connor Geekie/Guenther Utah
7. Nate Danielson Detroit
8. Montreals top 10 pick,Reinbacher or Dach.
9. Necas/Jarvis
10. Podkolzin/Holtz
This is such a miff on the part of Jets management. Sure, earn your spot, but our conservativeness was not appropriate in this situation. Chevy is like Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber, at the end of the movie - opportunities knocking and he's busy giving directions. Sheeeesh.
This one hurts. Dude is charismatic and a champ
Imagine choosing to play in college hockey and get upset when they don’t immediately call him up for the playoff run
That's it. Who do we fire when Rutger starts making an immediate impact in the NHL. I want someone, probably someones, fired. We need to stop pissing off our elite young players. Enough is enough.
And they aren’t getting anything in a trade
i hope he can talk w arniel and arniel encourages him to join. I feel like bones had a play in saying he wont be guaranteed time, look at perfetti in the box.
Is that going to happen to all there prospects???? That would be crazy. It’s about time to put there prospects in and see what they can do !!!! Put them in the middle six or bottom six and go from there guys !!!! It’s time to get youth and faster skaters in that would bring more fans in !!!
He’s a world champion and the captain too. We need the guy.
I can see telling him that he would likely start in the AHL and not guarantee an NHL spot. He has not played any games in the Jets system for them to evaluate how he does against pro vs against college and junior players. He would have to earn an NHL position in training camp. I am not saying he is not NHL ready, he just has to prove it in training camp.
I can also see the Jets not bringing him in when they were fighting for first in the division, as he would probably not get into any of those games or the playoff games. So other than being a black ace practice player he would not get much development.
I also get his point of view as well not wanting to be stuck in the AHL for a long time. And I don't think he would be there long unless he ran into major injury troubles.
He maybe be the Jets no. 1 prospect according to the media right now, but Lambert and Chibrikov would currently be ahead of him on the depth chart. He might fit in on the 3rd or fourth line to start the season but who do you move out to make space? I see Lambert taking Ehlers spot if he gets traded and Chibrikov taking Iafallo's or Barron's. Of course if Monahan does not resign that opens up a top 6 spot to Battle for.
Well then if they do t want to guarantee a spot,
Then don’t cry when he walks as a UFA
@@lordrayden3045 I wouldn't cry if he walks away. I'm just saying how can you guarantee an NHL spot for a player that has never played a regular or post season NHL game, taking a job from an existing player who earned the spot over others who are playing in the AHL, just because that player thinks he is NHL ready.
@@scottturner4676
Everything I’ve read says he’s a future captain, junior champion, etc
Also high level NCAA hockey is as good or better than the NHL.
If you believe he’s going to be good, you say “ok” and put him on the NHL roster. If you think he’s not ready, then he’d be an idiot to sign for an AHL deal. Just play the year in college and walk as a UFA. On top of this embarrassment, the jets have killed any trade value as well
Heinola was completely underplayed. Insanely talents player but had no confidence. Tons of upside. Perfetti as well. Makes no sense to me
If he`s going back to the NCAA, guarantee him a spot in 25-26,, competition is much higher in AHL,,,he can learn the system at least, your dreaming if you think you can keep him after his elc, hes already not a team player this puts the Ball in Chevys court tottally unless the right deal happens I`m guessing Chevy lets him play in the NCAA, THIS`LL fizzle out
Watching him become a star in another Jersey is going to suck.
I don't think the Jets are wrong to not GUARANTEE a spot to Rutger. If he won a spot over Appleton, Barron, Iafallo and was still with the Moose then he has every right to be upset. We get mad at the Ville situation because by every metric he should have gotten the opportunity that has gone to Stanley. No prospect has a right to an NHL roster spot. Ville is right to be mad because he's been stuck behind a worse player. Perfetti has a right to be mad because he was scratched during offensive woes while being a 20-goal scorer. What has Rutger done to earn the right to be mad before he ever competed for a Jets job for 1 second?
This. I think the Jets should hold firm here. Prospects can't run the show, earn your spot.
Then When he walks as free agent don’t cry
@@lordrayden3045 He won’t walk as an FA. Every report says a trade is likely happening within the week. A likely NHL ready or at least close player on a 3 year ELC will be tempting to a lot of teams.
@@TheWailer56
Why would he accept a trade?
I realize they could trade him, why the he’ll would a team give up anything, let alone anything of value?
And then why would he sign with the new team? Just wait a year and you’re a UFA
Jets fans are deluding themselves if they think they are getting a big , if any return here
rutger was never going to sign here. he did not want to play in winnipeg. its that simple. everytime he was asked about signing with the jets he never gave a clear answer. he never said he was exited to be a jet. he knew he was never going to sign here well before his season was done. go and watch his past interviews. it was obvious.
AHL vs big time NCAA hockey…
Gee wonder which one is more attractive ?
Afterwards, one more NCAA season and he’s a UFA and can go do what ever he wants.
Jets blew it
If the details on this are true, what's wrong with earning the job through training camp or spending some of the season or a full season the AHL? If he's and NHLer, they'll play him
Why?
If he needs to develop, just do it in the NCAA
And then one more year he’s a free agent
Is it to late to sign him still?
No they could
They just don’t want to
@@lordrayden3045why don’t they want to? Seems like he’d be a waaay better player by the end of the year than Appleton, prob even by end of the first month lol
Why not just sign him and let him play on the 4th line and move him up slowly if he plays well and if you see that he’s not ready put him in the ahl
Edit: Heard people say that is the other way round and he doesn’t want to sign his ecl it that true ?
hang on you need to earn your spot go to camp and earn it nothing in life is given it is to be earn
#fireChevy
Chevy has to go stupid move
Where is Rutger?
They aren’t going to get anything of value in a trade.
Where are you getting this information from? Its a very strong opinion- but is this a fact?? My guess is that if this as true at all- it's more plausible that McGroarty simply doesn't want to play in Winnipeg. I can't see the Jets/Chevy dumping him when there is such a simple fix (just play him, dump Appleton hopefully).
I love your posts but unless you state where you're getting this information, I can't believe this is true at all.
Apparently his skating is terrible
Trade?
He has no value
no american kid would ever want to play in loseapeg, theyve never won anything, they have the smallest rink in the league, theres literally nothing there, no baseball no football nothing just cold, snow and delusional fans. how theyve even managed to keep the goalie there in mind blowing
Sad about Mcgroarty I thought he could be a Chris Krieder type of guy for us.
I feel Lucius who finds himself because of injury behind Lambert,Chibrikov,Barlow,Salmonsson,Heinola. Could also want out just no leverage.
Whether jets include Ehlers,Perfetti,Mcgroarty,Lucius,Iafallo,Pionk,Stanley in trades guys I'd look for in return.
1. I think UFA Hamonic,Reimer,Driedger,even Staal/Bortuzzo from ThunderBay.
2. Byram/Savoie or Benson from Buffalo
3. BreadenSchneider NYC
4. KentJohnson/Mataychuk Columbus
5. Yager/Pickering Pittsburgh
6. Connor Geekie/Guenther Utah
7. Nate Danielson Detroit
8. Montreals top 10 pick,Reinbacher or Dach.
9. Necas/Jarvis
10. Podkolzin/Holtz
I agree next year if its more of same old bs iafallo,schmidt,pionk,Stanley,Barron,Appleton,gus,kupari,ajf getting time over Heinola,Lambert,Chibrikov,Salmonsson im done with the team. Or make significant trades
No old UFA luke Monahan taking time away from prospects. We used to let our prospects get games in or play NHL since 2017/2018 we havent.
- Scheifele got his whatever it is 7/9 gp in before Barrie and U20. Being 3rd liner before working way up behind Little/Jokinen/Antropov.
-Trouba got NHL time
-Copp/Roslovic/Connor/Lowry/Appleton/Tanev.
-Morrissey got time even with Enstrom,Myers,Trouba,Byfuglien.
-Hellebuyck got reigns after Pavelec
Since then jets have been having guys like maenalainen,stenlund,kuhlman,AJF,Toninato,kupari,stanley,schmidt,pionk,bitetto,Beaulieu,sbisa,shaw,bourque,poolman, ect
Even Vesalainen,Chisholm were mishandled imo
Why has Stanley and others had so mamy chances and Heinola barely any? I wouldnt be surprised if Lucius felt same way as Rutger being behind Perfetti,Chibrikov,Lambert and most likely Barlow when ready he should be included in trades since hes our 4th best Forward prospect but on other teams would be top 2 or #1.
And chevy/chipman have nerve blame fans...