Adam Savage's Vacuum Tube Collection Gets CT Scanned!

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  • Learn more about how these object were scanned: www.lumafield.com/article/ct-...
    Among the objects Adam collects are pieces of vintage electronics; artifacts like vacuum tubes and other analog devices that predate solid state devices are tangible representations of technological growth. He's curious about two recent acquisitions to his collection: a photomultiplier sensor and thyratron tube--both beautifully encased in glass tubes that hint at their functionality. We take these devices to Lumafield to get them CT scanned and dive deep into their internal structure to explore how they work!
    Check out the Lumafield CT scans for yourself!
    Thyratron tube: app.lumafield.com/project/115...
    Photomultipler: app.lumafield.com/project/637...
    IGBT module: app.lumafield.com/project/a16...
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  • @tested
    @tested  ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Learn more about how these object were scanned: www.lumafield.com/article/ct-scans-vacuum-tubes-tested-adam-savage
    Check out the Lumafield CT scans for yourself!
    Thyratron tube: app.lumafield.com/project/1154c69a-1aa0-4c50-81a7-0f2da22a2d79
    Photomultipler: app.lumafield.com/project/63775e74-3841-4f68-ba1f-179194abe27f
    IGBT module: app.lumafield.com/project/a165af93-8d96-4c7f-97e4-ebafcf4731d9
    3D printed shoe: app.lumafield.com/project/13e969bc-12fa-4490-a8ec-4b6155efd7ff

    • @d-granter5126
      @d-granter5126 ปีที่แล้ว

      its a fancy flesh light

    • @bgray1009
      @bgray1009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      great video and I love the channel, Unfortunately i can't afford to join or become a patron but if my situation ever changes i definitely will because these videos are the highlight of my day. Thank you for continuing to offer as much free content as you do so people like me who are not in a position to join get to enjoy these fantastic videos.

    • @messagedeleted1922
      @messagedeleted1922 ปีที่แล้ว

      3d scans? So Adam gonna bring a VR headset next time? So he can experience the object in 3d space.

    • @jimmyjudha8424
      @jimmyjudha8424 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      CX1538 is a Thyratron tube designed for 10kA for 15usec when turned on.
      When off, it can withstand 27kV between anode and cathode.
      It can be used for discharging capacitor for accelerator or pulse mode Klystron tube.
      The thyratron tube label can be see on 9:46.
      Thank you so much for your afford.

  • @tammyvelissarides2225
    @tammyvelissarides2225 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Hi Adam! As someone who built the Thyratrons by hand for 5 years I may be able to help too! All aspects of the thyratron we made by hand - the glass tube starts as 2 parts; the top we would attach to the inner first then once completed the tube would be added. Everything inside; from the ressies which we filled by hand, heaters & cathode which surrounds the heater were all made on site. There’s also a mini version that we made too which is the same device, just on a smaller scale. The stacked disks inside we welded onto the mesh with a small foot pedal welder, same for the mesh around the cathode (which is also painted!) and everything had to be perfect - scratches or dents would not pass and the items would have to be disposed of. If you opened one up, inside the stacked disks is a smaller disk and each of the staff who made them will have scratched their initials into them for traceability reasons (as the batches of everything used was recorded!) - I left the business around 6 years ago but could still make a thyratron in my sleep!
    Thanks for sharing the video!

    • @NecroDingus
      @NecroDingus ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Best comment by far. Do you have any of these devices left over?

    • @tammyvelissarides2225
      @tammyvelissarides2225 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They’re still made on site daily! We were tasked with 7 of the large & 12 of the small every day, when I was there, we had 5 of us producing the final product before it went to the glass shop so there’s loads of them around!

  • @lumafield
    @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Thanks for stopping by, Adam! It’s always great to explore with you.

    • @GrahamNicholson56
      @GrahamNicholson56 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If Adam's photomultiplier is indeed space hardware would @curiousmarc (who visited you with some Apollo gear earlier this year) be a good guy to help identify it? Could be fun to get them together talking all things space related.

    • @pixiniarts
      @pixiniarts ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Every episode featuring your company is brilliant!

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GrahamNicholson56 They'd definitely enjoy meeting!

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pixiniarts Thank you! We're glad you're enjoying these.

    • @slabriprock5329
      @slabriprock5329 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for sharing this technology with us and giving us a unique peek behind the curtain of some already amazing devices!

  • @dawnkelso2945
    @dawnkelso2945 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    The Thyratron you have there was made in Chelmsford in Essex, UK by EEV, English Electric Valve. They are all hand made and tested and yes that glass is blown and sealed by hand. I work for the the same company now called Teledyne e2v and we still make these. They are used on equipment such as radiotherapy machines. 😊

    • @JeffPDX1
      @JeffPDX1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Were they also used in neutrino detectors back in the 70's - 80's ? I recall thousands of something that looked like these in a subterranean array attempting to detect neutrinos striking in a tank of essentially dry cleaning fluid.

    • @ZiddersRooFurry
      @ZiddersRooFurry ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So they help save lives? That's awesome (you're awesome, too).

    • @gerrygoodlow3322
      @gerrygoodlow3322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome Dawn.. Were you always the 'cool' kid?😊

    • @bikerfirefarter7280
      @bikerfirefarter7280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Big up Dawn, that's real nerd food. And I don't mean that sarcastically. Thank you. ;-)

    • @ImagineeringAerospace
      @ImagineeringAerospace ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @JeffPDX1 I believe similar ones are still used today for that purpose, we don't have anything better to detect singualr electrons. CCD's in cameras are way too noisy

  • @seano51
    @seano51 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Scott did a great job explaining the devices. He is clearly very knowledgeable.

    • @rolfkarlstad4015
      @rolfkarlstad4015 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Other than being wildly incorrect about almost everything involving the thyratron, yes, clearly.

  • @mikec2505
    @mikec2505 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Ah, the undeniable joy of watching two learned geeks geeking out learnedly.

    • @NCSUmagnet
      @NCSUmagnet ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Their enthusiasm and excitement brought a smile to my face.

  • @bobweiss8682
    @bobweiss8682 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It should be noted that the 1000A current rating of the thyratron is a PULSE rating, with a very small duty cycle. Average current through a tube of that size might be an ampere or 2.
    On the photomultiplier, the conversion of photons to electrons takes place on the photocathode, a chemical coating on the inside of the front glass window. A thin layer of cesium or similar material.

    • @jaeweld19
      @jaeweld19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That thousand amp rating was really thrown me for a curve, I was thinking there's no way this thing can handle that without turning into a ball of plasma itself. Any idea on the pulse length?

    • @SoundsLegit71
      @SoundsLegit71 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I own a thyratron just like that one. The heater is 6v at 20amps. And the peak frequency is 1,200 per second. The pulse time of each of those 1200 pulses per second is very small. They were used to power magnetrons for radar.

    • @rolfkarlstad4015
      @rolfkarlstad4015 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably 10A. 100A pulse/peak. No way it was ever rated for 1000A or more.

    • @rolfkarlstad4015
      @rolfkarlstad4015 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jaeweld19 it threw you for a curve for a good reason, it was pure gibberish. 10A is what something like that would have run, at probably 1500v. 100A peak pulse.

  • @IBIScnc
    @IBIScnc ปีที่แล้ว +104

    This gentleman was amazing. Does he specialize in these type of devices, or just happens to be a good enough engineer to know how they work.

    • @JKKnudsen
      @JKKnudsen ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I'm speculating, but I would expect a master level physics student to have this level of competency. The other is electrical engineers, especially those how enjoy high voltage. Most of them have dabbled with x-ray tubes, PM-tubes etc. From the fact that Lumafield does cone-beam-CT(X-ray), I suspect he falls in the latter. And a physicist would probably linger on the photo-cathode and photoelectric effect. The electrical engineer goes straight to the dynodes. The charisma though, that's all him.

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Scott is a great engineer! :)

    • @maeanderdev
      @maeanderdev ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That knowledge is not taought in schools or universities as far as I know. I guess he has taught himself a lot autodidactically and or has worked in a physics institute.
      Fortunately there are many old books about vacuum tubes, of which many have been scanned and archived online, such as "Vacuum Tubes" by Stanford professor Spangenberg from 1948.

    • @poopfartlord9695
      @poopfartlord9695 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you're a passionate engineer being able to look at an object like this would definitely inspire you to learn about it, even if you had no prior knowledge about the device.

    • @jeromethiel4323
      @jeromethiel4323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maeanderdev Or he is simply old enough to have learned it in college. I did. Any competent electrical engineer should understand basic vacuum tubes, because they are easy to wrap your head around, and then you can leverage that understanding to FET's and other solid state devices.
      I mean your basic diode or triode is pretty easy to understand. After all it's just electrostatic attraction and repulsion along with a certain amount of geometry. Which is also (coincidentally) how solid state devices work!

  • @memsybabe
    @memsybabe ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Its great listening to someone speak so enthusiastically about what they do. I honestly think I could listen to this guy talk all day. Thank you Adam for another great video.

  • @danielhahn55
    @danielhahn55 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    hey, this was super interesting!
    small correction/addition: the honeycomb pattern on the bottom of the IGBT Module is the thermal "paste" already, it's called a phase-change TIM (thermal Interface Material) that turns into a paste when heated. I think it's made with a kind of wax.
    that way they can pre-apply the TIM at the IGBT factory in the correct density (note differently sized gaps in the honeycomb!) and not worry about uneven/incorrect application when mounting the module to something. that's also why those modules need a kind of burn-in when using them the first time, to melt the TIM.

  • @slipspectrum9253
    @slipspectrum9253 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’ve worked with vacuum tubes for a living for 20 years. They are far from primitive. And you’re right, they have had extreme amounts of engineering and physics know-how poured into them for about 100 years now. Solid state is just now starting to stretch into some of these technological strongholds, but it will be decades, if ever in the next lifetime, that they will replace all vacuum tube applications. The higher the frequencies and power, the smaller the wavelengths and solid state physics start to struggle, especially at heat removal from those extremely tiny solid state structures.

  • @sladenorthernil
    @sladenorthernil ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I highly recommend the behind the scenes tour of the shed aquarium in Chicago! They give you a very well educated guide and you get to see all the plumbing and lighting and filtration! It's wild back there!

  • @jerryfick613
    @jerryfick613 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a forklift service tech listening to them describing the operation I thought, "that sounds like an SCR". I don't think I have heard them referenced outside of DC drive systems, so it was cool to hear it actually said and described.
    Very cool.

  • @keleighshepherd345
    @keleighshepherd345 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm a medical linac engineer and thyratrons are amazing devices, so cool to see in one! The ones we use from e2v are a ceramic package so they're inscrutable already... Really cool to have a look at the scan!

    • @keleighshepherd345
      @keleighshepherd345 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The thyratron pulses the magnatron to generate RF that we pump into the accelerator waveguide, the physics is really fantastic and interesting

  • @evensgrey
    @evensgrey ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I first saw a device like this photo-multiplier in 1990, as part of a digital x-ray camera. It was one of the first, and needed a cabinet of electronics the size of a refrigerator to interface it to a MircoVAX, which was almost as big. I had a modern x-ray camera used on me a few years ago by a dentist. It's treated by Windows just like a webcam, and the entire device was maybe 10 cm long and could be comfortably supported by a small grip clenched between the subject's teeth. And for those of you who had to have dental surgery back in the days before digital x-ray cameras of this type, they also had to put me through the digital version of a panradiograph, which uses a similar camera instead of film, but still spins around you like the film ones did.
    As far as making tubes goes, there's at least one channel on TH-cam that demonstrates how to do that. I was watching a video yesterday where the creator was making vacuum tubes for an old-style radio circuit.

    • @1964corvan
      @1964corvan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      glasslinger utube channel makes tubes.

  • @spider4484
    @spider4484 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adam Savage...making all of us more enlightened and quizzically more aware of our surroundings.

  • @bigdadgigachad3042
    @bigdadgigachad3042 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    My son is applying to do his senior year at a state tech school. We went and visited the school and they had got a $10million dollar grant from the department of defense and it was for their 3d printing department and not only do they have metal 3d printers and the best of the best but also have this machine and I was so excited to explain what it does and tell the students and their parents I learned about it from Adam Savage's YT channel. My son's in engineering program at his tech center and I really hope he gets in to this program. Hell not only graduate from his high school but will get his 1st year college credits (30) We will have to pay for his room and board ($14k) and food but I'm willing to get a second job if he's accepted. I grew up with nothing in foster care and my son has a future. I couldn't be prouder.

    • @BenMagargee
      @BenMagargee ปีที่แล้ว

      What an incredible opportunity you are willing to provide for. Hope it goes well for the both of you!

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว

      Good luck to your son! Sounds like he's in for a treat at that program.

  • @bobd2659
    @bobd2659 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I'm guessing they cut the part where Adam said "How much for one" and "where can I get it"... Honestly, I could see him spending DAYS at the cave scanning everything! "Sorry, won't be home for dinner, scanning an impact driver..."

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Guess I’ll have to DIY one then…

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      (It Would be a HELL OF A LOT of Dev Work + One Would Need to Do Safety Stuff (Shielding/Interlocking) + It Would Probably Still be Decently Expensive and/or Not As Capable), BUT: *A Fully Open Source Industrial CT Scanner would be cool af*
      It would be great for a “Reverse Engineering Lab” section of a Makerspace (or my “Big Box Store Sized Makerspace” idea lol)
      (Edit: Typos)

    • @bobd2659
      @bobd2659 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ericlotze7724 Safety yes, but I don't think there wouldn't be a lot of dev needed since it's already a built product. Probably needed for the processing, but a bare bones 'mini scanner' would likely be 'easy' (NOT easy...). I think the hardest part would be if you decide to follow things like 'rules' or 'regulations'...you know, the pesky stuff that keeps people from doing things like powering your own home with a mini nuclear reactor... ;)

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobd2659 I wouldn’t be doing anything like Injection Mold Design / Casting Mold/Lost Wax Casting Design / Intense Production Engineering (Assembly Lines+Large Scale Logistics and so on) etc, so that would save *SOME time*, and for ultra-basic machinesApplied Science etc have pulled that off with not as much dev time as some full on replicatable workhorse machine.
      And granted it would be tedious,, and i would prefer not to use lead (supposedly Beryllium is a lesser, but still better than most, radiation shielding material), so shielding may require a bit of time, but honestly a mix of Room Interlocking (ie you must be 10 meters and a wall away before it can run), and just basic materials (huge pile of steel, etc) should work.
      I’d imagine the majority of the work would go into Motion System Design (Probably similar to Existing Open Source Polar 3D Printers I’d Imagine) (Could Maybe Even Adapt “Open5x” for 5+ Degrees!), Tube+Sensor Choice/Calibration, and Firmware/Software (*Sorted that mess above by increasing complexity/time needed (in my armchair napkin math estimate) *)

    • @victormaniaci2104
      @victormaniaci2104 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ericlotze7724 One day build

  • @icecreep109
    @icecreep109 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As a nuclear engineer, photomultiplier tubes are really cool, because they are still in use, and don't even have a replacement. The ability to detect a single photon, and amplify it to a measurable electrical signal is how scintillation - a form of radiation detection and measurement - is accomplished. Using a polymer or - for ultra-high resolution - high purity germanium crystals, individual particles interact with the material to produce a photon with a wavelength proportional to the energy of the incident particle. This can be used to measure the individual energy peaks caused by different sources to identify various isotopes, as well as their relative abundances.

  • @heatheball3534
    @heatheball3534 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I can truly relate to Adam’s love and excitement of “pealing back the curtain back on the world”. I do 3D LiDAR scanning/documentation to support engineering design. This allows my team to get into some amazing environments. Seeing the CT scan of the tubes is very interesting!

  • @garrettsteffen1163
    @garrettsteffen1163 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In the field of nuclear medicine these PMTs are used to detect gamma rays from an injection of a radioactive material into the body (Usually Tc99m). We are able to see where the nuclear isotope has traveled in the body thanks to these. They are constructed into a lattice and contained within a device called a gamma camera.

  • @gerrygoodlow3322
    @gerrygoodlow3322 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahhh.. vacuum tubes... The first radios I took apart had transistors, but the first radio I built in high school electronics had vacuum tubes. Thanks for taking me back Adam! BTW.. my first RF power amps as a design engineer were on ceramic substrates with through-hole PCBs. We were using SMDs a year later. Tech changes fast!!!

  • @rogerwhittle2078
    @rogerwhittle2078 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think the photomultiplier is back to the medical imaging industry. The first CT scanners I worked on used them, but not like that one. However, although I never worked on them, I reckon that one would have been used in a "Gamma Camera". It would have been mounted in the 'head' with maybe a dozen similar tubes. Being hexagonal, they can 'nest' with at least six others and thus many more in the spaces available. In front of the array of tubes would be one or more crystals, sodium iodide if I recall.
    As the Gamma particles from the patient - they are injected with a radioactive isotope - hit the sodium iodide, they interact with the molecules and the crystal emits photons. The photomultiplier amplifies the signal photons with a gain of probably 10,000 and generates a reasonable electronic signal directly proportional to the distribution of the isotope. From the array of PM Tubes, an image can be generated.
    I believe the young man said modern solid state SCR's "were not made to handle this voltage and current." Well, maybe, maybe not. One of the CT's that I worked on (From the mid eighties into the nineties) used a solid state SCR to 'fire' the current the xray generator tank would use to apply across the xray tube. Up to 140Kv - 140,000 volts. The SCR wasn't switching that - it switched the primary current - but it was a huge ceramic device (same sort of stuff as a spark plug) that would audibly "tick" when it was fired! None of it is like that now, it all goes on in oil filled tanks rotating with the xray tube inside the scanner.

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very interesting--thanks for the back story!

  • @richardschoenewolf6553
    @richardschoenewolf6553 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Adam I love your Chanel. I am in the uk and am disabled but you give me a chance to do things and learn things that I have never thought about. Absolutely brilliant . Thanks

  • @stephencrowsen8537
    @stephencrowsen8537 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I read somewhere the thyratron was used as part of the ignition system in some WW2 bomber engines. The modern equivalent is the Silicon Controlled Rectifier, also known as a thyristor. I don't think that particular thyratron could carry 1000 amps continuously because the wires are far too thin. Instead it would be more of a current surge of 1000 amps, e.g. maybe for 100 milliseconds.

    • @rolfkarlstad4015
      @rolfkarlstad4015 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was probably 10A nominal, less than 100A surge. No way it was ever rated for 1000A. Also it was probably in the 1500V-2000V range. I don't think he had a very good understanding of basic physics if he thought that sucker could pump out a kA.

  • @meganmorrow7304
    @meganmorrow7304 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As an X-ray tech, this is such a fun video! Its cool to watch this while already having some understanding for the way the engineering and physics works for both the CT scanner and the photomultiplier tube.

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It's always interesting to hear from folks on the medical side of the CT world.

  • @GearsAndBricks
    @GearsAndBricks ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks to Savage and Tested for sharing this type of content! I thoroughly enjoy watching videos about weird or niche electronics. I currently work in the high-power electronic industry. I’d really like to see more of these videos featured here. 🙂⚡️Thanks for bringing this one to us.

  • @chrisrive4874
    @chrisrive4874 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Adam getting in touch with his Dr Evil side... Slowly building his giant laser! Would really like to see more of these videos please. Fascinating!

  • @teespeck3285
    @teespeck3285 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this guy is AMAZING! please have him back on or to the cave!

  • @toyfreaks
    @toyfreaks ปีที่แล้ว

    "Peel the curtain back on the world" is an elegant description of the scientific process!

  • @conradgittins4476
    @conradgittins4476 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely fascinating. I never expected tube technology to be so sophisticated.

  • @EJFXxx
    @EJFXxx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you need to visit this place again with a truck load of stuff to scan ... would love to see inside so many things ... thx Adam

  • @Miketz
    @Miketz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating episode, would love to see more collabs with them!
    And a design implementation you didn't notice was that the photo-multiplier has a hexagonal "head", implying that many can be set up in an array.

  • @Umm-mg3pb
    @Umm-mg3pb ปีที่แล้ว

    Adam I'm going through and liking all your videos your a living legend, the work ethic on this channel is unbelievable

  • @zoinomiko
    @zoinomiko ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how excited Adam was even just to see and learn about the quote-unquote "boring" modern device

  • @barrishautomotive
    @barrishautomotive ปีที่แล้ว

    My wife bought me a Savage Industries shop apron for my birthday yesterday. What a beautiful piece of gear. It is so well thought out. Thanks Adam.

  • @Hexagonaldonut
    @Hexagonaldonut ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a point of perspective for folks regarding how nutso the currents that Thyratron tube can handle are- 1,000 amps at 25,000 volts makes for 25 *megawatts.* For context on how insanely massive that number is, a typical US house with every single circuit drawing its rated maximum load will only pull in the neighborhood of 50 kilowatts- in other words, you'd need something like 500 houses all pulling as much power as they safely can just to max out that tube's capacity.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it a pure dual state switch or can it modulate the output?

    • @Hexagonaldonut
      @Hexagonaldonut ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MostlyPennyCat From what they said, it sounds like it's essentially an ultra-high voltage relay that can't be shut off without cutting power elsewhere. Truthfully, I don't entirely understand how that's useful, but it sounds like modulation might be possible?

    • @dale116dot7
      @dale116dot7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HexagonaldonutIt works like an SCR. If used for phase control (like a light dimmer) when the AC waveform crosses zero (120 times per second in a 60 Hz system) the current stops. To use them in a DC to AC inverter, usually the output stage is arranged so turning on one tube interrupts the current in the one that is currently on, turning it off.

    • @Hexagonaldonut
      @Hexagonaldonut ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dale116dot7 Ooh, interesting! I figured there had to be more to it than was explained. Cool shit!

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera ปีที่แล้ว

      More like 25kw - 120v * 200A service = 24,000w or 24kw. And 200A service is kinda modern, a lot of older houses have 100A or even 80A service, so 10 to 12kw.. so 12,000w vs 25,000,000w
      And thats why Doc almost has a heart attack when he hears 1.21 jiggawatts 😆.. 1.21 gigawatts is like 1,210,000,000w, meaning the flux capacitor is a tube 1000x more insane than the one shown

  • @pirobot668beta
    @pirobot668beta ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Early night-vision scopes used 'channel plates' that exploited the photo-multiplier effect in an array of narrow, angled metal lines holes.
    Each hole was sort of a continuous dynode, a voltage gradient across the thickness of the plate powered the thing.
    Each channel made a pixel, which was projected onto a phosphor screen.

    • @ZiddersRooFurry
      @ZiddersRooFurry ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome. Also-any relation to Steve Gallacci?

  • @whodatyat3478
    @whodatyat3478 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stellar stuff! Very excited for the future of this technology

  • @nathkrupa3463
    @nathkrupa3463 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great exploration adam sir thanks for sharing another wonderful video.

  • @patchvonbraun
    @patchvonbraun ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The big neutrino telescopes still use PMTs (photo-multiplier tubes) for detecting very very low photon fluxes from the huge scintillator tanks they use for neutrino detection.

    • @JeffPDX1
      @JeffPDX1 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I was thinking as well.

  • @SaiyanSatsuki
    @SaiyanSatsuki ปีที่แล้ว

    You can see the excitement in both of ‘em!

  • @mooferoo
    @mooferoo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm a guitarist, and we still actively use tubes in our amplifiers.

    • @NFMorley
      @NFMorley ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was thinking just this - Not sure Adam has ever looked into it, but I think he would love the design aspects of classic hand wired amps both in the circuits (valves, transformers, etc) and cabinet design.

  • @MostlyPennyCat
    @MostlyPennyCat ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thyratron.
    And it is indeed a high power switch, uses Townsend Discharge, which I believe is also the working principle behind the much cooler Mercury Rectifier.
    You should definitely get one.
    And then be very careful because they can kill you in multiple exciting ways.

  • @pro-n-stal1
    @pro-n-stal1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What would be cool would be large color prints of the image produced! That would sell like hot cakes! Thank you Adam and Scott!

    • @aeonikus1
      @aeonikus1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My thoughts exactly! And they make very cool desktop wallpapers/background images :)

  • @nooneyouknow9399
    @nooneyouknow9399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thyratron’s are awesome. Used them
    In high power radars for the crowbar circuits.

  • @AlexanderLabial
    @AlexanderLabial ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Photon multipliers are also super essential in flow cytometry FYI 😁

  • @sid35gb
    @sid35gb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating it just amazes me how this stuff got figured out to get the job done and then the next task is to make it smaller. Probably the next step will be how small will the next requirement need to be before the quantum mechanics say nope you’ll need understand the physics that is currently unknown before you can go smaller or build it in another dimension.

  • @timkuehn580
    @timkuehn580 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for bringing in a couple of vacuum tubes for them to scan. Way back in the day I worked for Teledyne MEC (I'm talking around the late 70's) and wound the helix for thier traveling wave tubes. I was probably around 16 or 17 at the time and didn't really know what they were for and really still don't. But thanks for triggering those memories of my youth. It would be great to see one of those scanned.

  • @nathantron
    @nathantron ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ya know... I love seeing Adam have to ask a ton of questions to understand something he owns, but actually knows next to nothing about. It's a beautiful thing, the human mind. and those tubes. XD

  • @geraldcampbell6834
    @geraldcampbell6834 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Adam there are still applications where tubes a still used in MRI machines and high powered radio transmitters also in high end Guitar and audio amps!

  • @FunctionalCookie
    @FunctionalCookie หลายเดือนก่อน

    That EEV CX-1538 thyratron was a bespoke part for the LLNL Advanced Test Accelerator. It was developed and tested to handle peak currents in excess of 10,000 amps, although was put into operation at only 2,500.
    Six were used together in a chassis to switch a capacitor charged to 25kV into a 1:10 transformer to charge a Blumlein to 250 kilovolts, which was in turn switched by a gas-blown spark gap into an accelerator cavity to deliver 250keV acceleration over a 70 nanosecond pulse. Such modules were stacked 190 deep for a 50MeV electron beam.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's so cool! @CuriousMarc grade stuff :)
    Photomultipliers are still used in all kinds of analytic gear that use infrared, visible and ultraviolet light, mostly spectrometers, though CCD sensors are also used there.

  • @marcireale
    @marcireale ปีที่แล้ว

    I too am fascinated by infrastructure. The basements, attics, steam tunnels, and mechanical rooms of the world fascinate me. I am so glad to hear of your interest in these, too!

  • @gabrielmeth4844
    @gabrielmeth4844 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The world is a glorious place!

  • @lo-firobotboy7112
    @lo-firobotboy7112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unexpectedly fascinating.

  • @EastyyBlogspot
    @EastyyBlogspot ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do u feel any pressure to collect them ?

  • @michaelnolan6054
    @michaelnolan6054 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here's a 21st century sentence. "After the wonderful work they did scanning my robotic bird, I decided to get my space tube looked at "

  • @danwhite3224
    @danwhite3224 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vacuum tubes are awesome. Slowly accruing a collection of them myself...
    Currently working on a Vacuum Tube Tesla Coil at this very moment!

  • @UndercoverFerret404
    @UndercoverFerret404 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just realized I have one of those old Thyratrons at home! Cool !

  • @eliassimon666
    @eliassimon666 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Scientific glass blower". Now that's as wizardly a real job as I've ever heard.

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera ปีที่แล้ว

      I know right? I wanted to get into glass blowing when I was younger, didn't happen but hearing that term makes me go 😵🧐

  • @mikestewart4752
    @mikestewart4752 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Adam, check out Glasslinger’s channel. A very skilled artisan with long form demonstrations of how these types of tube devices are made. The channel is a gold mine of obscure knowledge and techniques. I highly recommend. Cool video brother!

  • @ddpwe5269
    @ddpwe5269 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was absolutely fascinating!!!!!

  • @carriersignal
    @carriersignal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thyratrons are used a lot in our old radar systems here where I work.

  • @8bitwiz_
    @8bitwiz_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Reverse-clickbait title, I was expecting a box of radio/TV tubes, but you had two really interesting specialized tubes!

  • @1998_hondacivic
    @1998_hondacivic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We're getting one of these at work in a few months, pretty excited

    • @blindleader42
      @blindleader42 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know the price?

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว

      We're excited for you! Hope you enjoy lots of exploration with your Neptune scanner.

    • @lumafield
      @lumafield ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blindleader42 Neptune scanners start at $36k/year, which includes all the hardware, software, and service needed to operate it.

  • @johnpenner5182
    @johnpenner5182 ปีที่แล้ว

    fascinating interogation of two rare and fascinating devices! thxu

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera ปีที่แล้ว

      With two rare and fascinating people

  • @ronc2946
    @ronc2946 ปีที่แล้ว

    This episode blew my mind

  • @benadrylthundercrotch7144
    @benadrylthundercrotch7144 ปีที่แล้ว

    I understand about 40% of the words these two nerds are saying but I could listen to it all day.

  • @shadow7037932
    @shadow7037932 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was quite interesting. Thanks Adam!

  • @iblesbosuok
    @iblesbosuok ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Photomultiplier: _ehm_
    CTscanner: *owh you are my ancestors, sir. Please come. Sit down here, please and make yourself comfort*

  • @XCaliKev
    @XCaliKev ปีที่แล้ว

    👍😎 Adam has the coolest “Just cuz it’s cool” stuff

  • @ahbushnell1
    @ahbushnell1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are Thyristors (SCR) that can handle 6 kV and 100,000A. They can be put in series and run at voltages like the thyratron.

  • @TSKseattle
    @TSKseattle ปีที่แล้ว

    When you talk about the development of the thiotron: the math, the schematics, the failed attempts.... I'm immediately thinking of the huge breadboard that incorporated all the elements of this device and the tests that caused changes to the breadboard, until they had a working model. Then the iterations of reducing it in size to fit in a smaller package.

  • @Sinnistering
    @Sinnistering ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to make a small chemistry comment! Hydrogen is _in most cases_ less of an escape artist than Helium is, because most hydrogen gas we encounter is the dihydrogen molecule. Because quantum physics, it's hard to exactly compare the sizes of atoms and molecules (they require different metrics, thus making it hard to compare), but in pretty much every case helium is **smaller** than dihydrogen, by a pretty significant factor I believe. Of course, hydrogen is still a crazy escape artist, but it can't quite beat helium.
    (Cases where we don't see hydrogen as dihydrogen include in space! Most of the hydrogen in the universe is, in fact, monoatomic hydrogen, but Earth is our special case home.)

    • @stevesether
      @stevesether ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe you're right.
      I was thinking that at high enough temperatures (excluding plasmas) might separate into individual hydrogen atoms. I can't seem to find if that's true.
      Buuuut... looking at the Wikipedia article, it appears the thyratron operates by the hydrogen being turned into a plasma. I'd suspect a proton is a pretty good escape artist in this case, even better than helium.

  • @MAYERMAKES
    @MAYERMAKES ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have an extensive collection of specialty vaccum tubes, if you want to show more on the channel I can help with that.
    Some highlights as Wanderfeldröhren by Siemens (used for satelite transmissions), photomultipliers, TV camera tubes and the elusive lorentz Napfröhren.

  • @cliffx7
    @cliffx7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is incredible!!!

  • @JohnDoe-wk7pl
    @JohnDoe-wk7pl ปีที่แล้ว

    It amazes me the shere brilliance involved in Early electric equipment

  • @SlickWillyTFCF
    @SlickWillyTFCF ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome. I've been getting into tubes lately and want to make a tube amp for my turntable as a DIY project. Tubes are so much cooler than solid state parts.

  • @robnol84
    @robnol84 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was like the DiCaprio pointing meme at the beginning when they showed the crates and I was like "OH ShockWatch stickers!" pointing at the screen.

  • @Zogtee
    @Zogtee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this guy. :D

  • @TheAxeljones2012
    @TheAxeljones2012 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    congratulations!!

  • @jwiedey
    @jwiedey ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Scott explains science stuff to a maker. Also he x-rays the stuff.

  • @marioherrera3060
    @marioherrera3060 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you ever get a chance you should go to the race if gentlemen I think you would love seeing very old technology being cared for and used

  • @ericlaird1745
    @ericlaird1745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You put a scintillator material on the front of the photo multiplier to detect certain types of radiation. The chemical releases photons when the radiation hits it and the PM detects the photons.

  • @armandoa2484
    @armandoa2484 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can only imagine the thought processes that were part of designing such a device, and to generate its own hydrogen! Just part science part alchemy and a little wizardry. Awesom😅

  • @DanielGBenesScienceShows
    @DanielGBenesScienceShows ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Science: “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain”.
    Savage: “Help me pull this curtain back”.

  • @ashmaybe9634
    @ashmaybe9634 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing stuff.

  • @NedRadinsky
    @NedRadinsky ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these

  • @Florkl
    @Florkl ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s amazing to see technology shrink down like this. Maybe someday a CT scanner will be a thing anyone can buy, and this is a neat step in that direction.

  • @rolandkeith5322
    @rolandkeith5322 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool

  • @cyberpred
    @cyberpred ปีที่แล้ว

    PMTs(Photomultiplier Tubes) are used in Medical Imaging Devices. Like a Gamma Camera. I have calibrated the gains on them

  • @scottmantooth8785
    @scottmantooth8785 ปีที่แล้ว

    *think we have a very old vacuum tube that was used in a radar, it's pretty big and still wrapped in its protective material and in what appears to be the original box...*

  • @4dirt2racer0
    @4dirt2racer0 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    daam awesome video!!

  • @Brain_Juice
    @Brain_Juice 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That came straight off the DeLorean Time Machine - 1000 Amps? It must have been the switching mechanism for the flux capacitor!

  • @rolfkarlstad4015
    @rolfkarlstad4015 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That thyratron is probably in the 1.5-2 kilovolt range, with say 10A normal current, maxing out at under 100A peak. And I'm almost certain there is no permanent latch, these were switches.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a TV studio tube for generating screen text. I had no idea what the tube was for until I saw a disk in it at an odd angle and saw it was full of cutouts of the letters of the alphabet and the digits 0 through 9.

  • @thereare4lights137
    @thereare4lights137 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Philips photomultiplier tube is used in nuclear medicine. It detects faint flashes of light emitted by a gamma particle as it passes through a crystal. Usually about 50-60 of those photo multiplier tubes (PMT's) are situated in a large detector to capture gamma radiation emmited by radio isotope injected patients. Then a computer uses that data to create a 3D image of anatomy in question.

  • @nixhixx
    @nixhixx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should sell those scans as prints.

  • @xxmadbammerxx
    @xxmadbammerxx ปีที่แล้ว

    Two nerds, nerding. I love this shit. So much passion in one video.