@@THEBBAGLEY29 Thank you. Yes I saw 2 different times & with AB always having a mess took the lower to be safe. Thanks again for pointing out the time. Good luck this season 👍🍀
@@mikeunger4165 Thank you. I figured there had to be a story that caused the slip. He seems like a really good kid so I assumed it wasn’t legal issues. Whatever your team is, good luck this season. 🍀👍
That last take on the wide receiver being saturated is 100% accurate. I believe just like Chris that the top guys will get the big bucks. The JJ, Chase, Tyreek, Ceedee. But the other tiers guys they won’t get close to that and teams might be like "well we’ll draft another WR and pay him nothing for at least 4 years"
Chiefs and Pats have won 10 SB in last 20 or so years. Only 1 of them had a top tier WR, Tyreek in Chiefs first SB. When Chiefs Traded Tyreek people thought Chiefs would get exposed. Chiefs the year after Tyreek traded had the #1 offense and won SB...then won SB the year after that. DO NOT PAY TOP MONEY FOR WR if you want to win SB's in a hard cap league.
His ten yard split is bullshit. Watch his simulcam footage vs Ross, he very clearly beats him out the gate and is multiple strides ahead of Ross by the 10 but somehow John Ross has a faster 10 yard split, watch it for yourself, listen to Daniel Jeremiah comment very clearly that Worthy beat him at the 10, and somehow Worthy had a 1.49 10 split whereas Ross had a 1.46(it's simply not possible for that to be true).
The 10 yard split seems like it would have the least carryover to the WR position. WRs generally don't get a free release in the NFL so the start of their route is going to be more about getting around the CB than picking up the most speed in a straight line. It's why a bunch of the WRs (Worthy included) talk about working on the technique of the 10 yard split; It's just not something they're normally doing in game. Continuing to accelerate after the first 10 yards seems most relevant to the WR position to me. That's when they've (hopefully) got half a step on the CB and have a chance to pull away.
plenty of teams play in soft zone these days giving free releases, long speed important but not many routes are 25yards down the field. Having a a good ten yard burst creates quick separation going across the field, for easy completions slants, drags, in cuts In my opinion this why T hill dominates he has high end long speed and quick burst
@@blessed1tony_502 Even with a theoretical free release, the starting position is different in the 40. The runners get lower and have their heads down, a position that wouldn't allow them to see their CB or the rest of the coverage in game. I would probably look at the 3-cone drill first for shorter routes, which does have some of the same issues as the 10-yard split but has a mix of stopping, starting and bending. I don't think the 40 or the 10-yard split are useless for evaluations. The 10-yard split is just a bit more of a technical movement than a measure of general athleticism or proxy for what WR's do in the NFL.
Scouts should get rid of combine speeds, and just time and MPH WR's in the games. Such a dramatic difference between Track/Shorts speed and game speed. Just like how Keon Coleman was slowest WR in 40 but ran by far the fastest in the Gauntlet drill
Combine should have WR's run an up and out and somehow time the first 4 steps out of the break. Justin Jefferson ran 4.44, but nobody in the league gets separation like JJ does out of the break...Devontae Adams 40 combine 4.56, but he's absolutely explosive out of his cuts
Patrick Mahomes threw at 62 mph at the rare appearance at the pro-bowl and Xavier Worthy runs a 4.21 40 yard dash my algebra is horrible where do these these two objects intersect??
Ahmed has no business being anywhere near a football podcast. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a party or anywhere anyone is trying to have fun because he will ruin it and suck all of the air all out of the room
Antonio Brown ran 4.47 but his route running became phenomenal.
Ran 4.55
Puka Nicua ran terrible last year. Was the best WR in the draft, but bad combine and he doesn't get drafted until 5th round.
@@THEBBAGLEY29 Thank you. Yes I saw 2 different times & with AB always having a mess took the lower to be safe. Thanks again for pointing out the time. Good luck this season 👍🍀
@@mikeunger4165 Thank you. I figured there had to be a story that caused the slip. He seems like a really good kid so I assumed it wasn’t legal issues. Whatever your team is, good luck this season. 🍀👍
That last take on the wide receiver being saturated is 100% accurate. I believe just like Chris that the top guys will get the big bucks. The JJ, Chase, Tyreek, Ceedee. But the other tiers guys they won’t get close to that and teams might be like "well we’ll draft another WR and pay him nothing for at least 4 years"
Chiefs and Pats have won 10 SB in last 20 or so years. Only 1 of them had a top tier WR, Tyreek in Chiefs first SB. When Chiefs Traded Tyreek people thought Chiefs would get exposed. Chiefs the year after Tyreek traded had the #1 offense and won SB...then won SB the year after that. DO NOT PAY TOP MONEY FOR WR if you want to win SB's in a hard cap league.
Wouldnt exactly call 10-15 million a year nothing, and thats what the 2nd tier WR's make.
crazy how none of them mentioned adonai mitchell
Because he was #2 behind Worthy, and teams agreed, he went 2nd half of the 2nd round.
His ten yard split is bullshit. Watch his simulcam footage vs Ross, he very clearly beats him out the gate and is multiple strides ahead of Ross by the 10 but somehow John Ross has a faster 10 yard split, watch it for yourself, listen to Daniel Jeremiah comment very clearly that Worthy beat him at the 10, and somehow Worthy had a 1.49 10 split whereas Ross had a 1.46(it's simply not possible for that to be true).
@@dokedoker3340you don’t believe that…he actually is more than just speed
@@dokedoker3340 congratulations on being the guy who exposed himself as not watching college football
The 10 yard split seems like it would have the least carryover to the WR position. WRs generally don't get a free release in the NFL so the start of their route is going to be more about getting around the CB than picking up the most speed in a straight line. It's why a bunch of the WRs (Worthy included) talk about working on the technique of the 10 yard split; It's just not something they're normally doing in game.
Continuing to accelerate after the first 10 yards seems most relevant to the WR position to me. That's when they've (hopefully) got half a step on the CB and have a chance to pull away.
plenty of teams play in soft zone these days giving free releases, long speed important but not many routes are 25yards down the field. Having a a good ten yard burst creates quick separation going across the field, for easy completions slants, drags, in cuts
In my opinion this why T hill dominates he has high end long speed and quick burst
@@blessed1tony_502 Even with a theoretical free release, the starting position is different in the 40. The runners get lower and have their heads down, a position that wouldn't allow them to see their CB or the rest of the coverage in game. I would probably look at the 3-cone drill first for shorter routes, which does have some of the same issues as the 10-yard split but has a mix of stopping, starting and bending.
I don't think the 40 or the 10-yard split are useless for evaluations. The 10-yard split is just a bit more of a technical movement than a measure of general athleticism or proxy for what WR's do in the NFL.
@@joel5956 the amount of non sense u just typed u couldnt have been an athlete or have played🤣🤣
Chris I think you need your own podcast brotha! Like Kai or shannon. Would love to see it!
Scouts should get rid of combine speeds, and just time and MPH WR's in the games. Such a dramatic difference between Track/Shorts speed and game speed. Just like how Keon Coleman was slowest WR in 40 but ran by far the fastest in the Gauntlet drill
They look at both
Combine should have WR's run an up and out and somehow time the first 4 steps out of the break. Justin Jefferson ran 4.44, but nobody in the league gets separation like JJ does out of the break...Devontae Adams 40 combine 4.56, but he's absolutely explosive out of his cuts
And now Worthy has Mahomes throwing to him... kid's gonna be a star.
Mahomes about to break the TD record.
Patrick Mahomes threw at 62 mph at the rare appearance at the pro-bowl and Xavier Worthy runs a 4.21 40 yard dash my algebra is horrible where do these these two objects intersect??
In the endzone if Mahomes throws 3.8 seconds after the snap
@@markb3786 EXACTLY 🤣
The 40 yard dash is about the most useless metric ever. Jerry Rice, the greatest ever, did not have great speed. He did have a great 10 yard split.
"zay" vier... Not "ex" avier.
Ahmed has no business being anywhere near a football podcast. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a party or anywhere anyone is trying to have fun because he will ruin it and suck all of the air all out of the room
Simms drunk