Why Didn't This $300,000,000 Cruise Ship Stop?
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Ah... Costa. The Evergreen of cruise ships.
Don't be too hard on Evergreen, the Egyptian pilots (2) were in charge at the time and increasing speed to counter cross winds has the detrimental effect, in shallow water, of reducing steerage. This is related to Benoulii's law that we saw in a previous video.
@@seanworkman431 Nah, mate. It's just for the laughs. Cheers.
@@The_Modeling_Underdog fair call:)
Yeah, costa has somewhat a bad reputation, especially after what happened to Costa Concordia.
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If you double tap the right side of the video it will fast forward 5 seconds, if your on a PC then hit the right arrow on your keyboard, the red bar just makes it easier to not overshoot. Having the speed of the bar get slower is a bit cheeky tho, like what's even the point of having it there if it's not going to make it easier for me to skip your ads? Another thing to note I often think about is this channel spends more time every episode talking about his Paterson and sponsors than the subject of the video and it makes me only watch his vids as a last resort if I'm struggling to find anything else I want to watch and I think I can safely assume in not the only one who has been turned off from this sort of bs here
Why aren't the ships talking to each other?
Wouldn't that make most sense?
If you intend to cross in front of someone call them up and talk to them.
Good seamanship and following the colrags should preclude navigation using the radio.
@@hvalour1 It's not radio navigation. It's letting your fellow sailor know what you are doing instead of forcing them to guess - you know, the equivalent of setting your turn signal on a car instead of just veering into the other lane.
It's not part of the regular way of doing things because it's not always possible. With several ships around, you can't always be sure who it is that it talking to you. So someone is telling you that they're crossing in front of you. You see a ship and assume that is the one, but in fact, it's another ship.
Maybe in the not-too-distant future, we'll be able to show navigators a display with all the ships around along with a line showing where they're going next, and that line would be curved based on either the current position of the wheel or their plan as input in the ship's computer. So a ship would continually transmit "Going at heading xxx at speed yyy knots and turning at zzz degrees per second". But we'd only get that display if all ships (including small yachts) were required to have and operate the equipment that transmits that information. That takes decades to do.
@@KonradTheWizzard It's not always that easy, many people don't speak good English, some wont even answer if you call them, sometimes you dont have enough time and if an accident happens, the court wont take into consideration the verbal communication over VHF from the 2 ships.
Neptune called the Coast Guard, probably because something of the above happened
@@synp9ynir That's why radio has callsigns. Every ship has a unique callsign that identifies it and they are required to include it in transmissions (no idea whether they actually do that). In aviation you always start with something like "ABCD calling EFGH, requesting x...". There are explicit rules about what frequency you use for what and how to phrase your calls as well as what to announce to others. If this does not exist already in shipping, it should be very easy to introduce - just send every officer to another radio course next time they have a few spare days in home port.
10 years of experience in the cruise industry...... Do not get on board a Costa or any ship with and Italian master.
Passengers on the Costa Concordia would agree.
Or an Indonesian helmsman 😀
10 years in which department?
That was my (non-insider) thought - why does it always seem to be Costa causing problems? Lol.
No experience in the cruise industry, never even cruised and I will never sail with Costa, that’s for damn sure
In 2008 it could be that Captain Schettino was in command of the ship. I sailed with him on the Atlantica a few years prior. Later he took command of the Costa Concordia and we all know how that ended.
Is there a source that tells us who and when captained which ships? The Wikipedia articles of the Atlantica and Schettino say is that he captained her in 2010 during another incident in Warnemünde Germany. But it also says he captained the Concordia in 2006 upon launch.
@@OnionChoppingNinja he might of, captains often change ship, well i say often... 6 months, a year, 18 months, it depends on the company and contract but its possible to be a captain of a ship on numerous seperate occasions
Yes abandoned his ship in an early stage en left his passengers behind to rot.
Schettino was not a singular bad apple; Costa itself is the problem.
@@nnelg8139 De Costa Nostra, you mean?
No video you have ever done has shown me the immense skill necessary for pre-modern navigation. With all of these modern tools, the ability (if they'd use it) to communicate between vessels, and the tight rules of the TSS, you can still mess it up.
In the past, you'd have to be a true expert and master to make judgements based on sight, wind speed, and very little precise information. It lends a degree of amazement to pre-modern maneuvers I've never considered.
The most valuable part of the unbelievable success of Britain in the 18th century was the development of the best charts & the best navigation tools in the world. It had been clear since the armadas of the late 16th and early 17th centuries that home water advantage was a big deal. So the Admiralty spent a significant percentage of their budget on exploration & surveys. It paid off big time with the Royal Navy able to out manoeuvre and engage with superior intent in most fights. This in turn led to the most insane military & maritime fact in history; throughout the entire 17th century the British only built 70 ships (that’s about a sixth of each Spain & France), yet they had the largest & most powerful navy in the world.
I would imagine that pre-modern maneuvers would have been --- for the most part --- much more conservative and inefficient. It's better to burn more fuel and more time than to risk an accident.
However, you may still be right, that it required more skill , even with more conservative movements.
As noted, more conservative but also smaller vessels that could turn faster in most situations. But also more accidents. We assume mastery of people of the past when that is not always the case. A lot of ships piled up on shoals, rocks, other ships. Look at a chart in an average bay or shore line and look at the names of rocks on those charts. If it has a name it is likely the name of the first boat to strike it. Blossom Rock in SF Bay is an exception as it was named after the survey ship that found it. Somehow no one had hit it yet. But I digress. They were not all that good. With clear weather they likely did a fair job missing each other most of the time.
Though in the past the ships were much smaller, more nimble, and there were far fewer of them.
@@Jaxck77 they also captured lots of ships, I found an article with what it claimed were the figures claimed by each major naval power in the napoleonics which claimed that most of britains losses were wrecks, meaning reefs, rocks, and storms. Also of note is Britain sometimes captured ships in battle and then were hit by a storm in which they deemed it not worth trying to keep the captured ships afloat and that might’ve been included in their numbers for wrecks, I believe trafalgar and Copenhagen are both examples of this though I believe they intentionally sank some ships they successfully brought back to England after one of the battles of Copenhagen. Also Britain maintained blockades and patrols along much of Europe’s coast and definitely spent the most time at sea in dangerous waters.
Oh costa. Never change. You're very entertaining
I kept waiting for a bit about the captain's girlfriend being on the bridge.
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@@Emma-Maze nah i just like to do different things :)
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Ooh, it's like a Mentour Pilot video, but with boats.
Almost but mentor pilot goes into more storytelling with more information. But this was still good.
And no clickbait thumbnails the emphasize carnage when there isn't any, raging fire when there isn't any, and general destruction when there isn't any. Anything for clicks.
Owner of neptune was very smart to make an extraordinary investment in safety. It saved their cargo and ship!
Those Concordia guys seem to have trouble trying tricky maneuvers in tight quarters. Luckily this one didn't sink.
Your talking about Costa Concordia? That sank years ago
I saw a similar event on the river Mersey. The ferry Royal Daffodil tried to cross in front of the gas tanker Ramira, instead of waiting and crossing astern. It was close. The only time that I have seen a tanker do the maritime equivalent of a handbrake turn
I'll be keeping this in mind when I'm faced with ship traffic in my cruise ship.
Has everybody forgotten that there is something called *VHF* for short distance, single channel direct ship-to-ship communication? You know, real time analogue communication? Loads of white noise with the squelch down. It's a green box, somewhere hanging on the ceiling with a telephone horn on a curly wire hanging down. You just squeeze the horn switch and you are instantly transmitting for anyone to listen to. Simple and effective and it works as long as a 24Volt supply is available. You should try it once.
This wouldn't have happened if someone had remembered the good old mariphone.
Clear violation of basic ColRegs - when you make a turn, make it assertively, so that others can clearly understand your intentions. Costa got it wrong, and Neptune therefore made a clear manoeuvre. Lucky she had the sea room for it!
I got distracted for a moment and looked back to see DS9 and was extremely confused. A cruise ship ending up near the Bajoran wormhole would be a heck of a misnavigation.
I wouldn't wonder if Schettino's son was the captain.
Schettino managed to get women to sleep with him?
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@@JadenRiley6494 all night long
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The Dover Strait traffic rules look a lot like those of inland waterways, but on inland waterways any relevant ships and boats are always within earshot and can signal intentions with horns or hoisted flags and shapes. And there are mandatory separation distances. But in busy city traffic, things like green-to-green passes or crossing just behind someone's stern are nothing too extraordinary or report-worthy unless you get close enough to spit in the other skipper's face.
Not surprising. Carnival does its damndest to hire the least experienced people they can get there hands on to pilot and navigate their ships.
On a slightly off topic note. I was on one of their cruises about three weeks, my fifth one with them and seventh cruise in general, and I was ABSOLUTLY DISMAYED when we did our muster training for emergencies and abandoning ship. They no longer have people go to their muster station and watch a crew member do a presentation on what you will do if the order to abandon ship is given. Instead they just talk over the intercom and "explain" what you will do! Me and my brother, who was in the US Navy for six years aboard a carrier, were speculating on what the death toll will be the next time one of their Captains pulled a "Costa Concordia". To make matters worse, when me and him actually went to our designated muster station we at first had a hard time finding it, until we noticed the relatively small sign on the wall designating that dinning room entrance as our muster station. We went on that cruise with our grandmother and her elderly friend and we KNEW that they would probably not be able to find the muster station in an emergency, hell they couldn't find our dining room even after five days aboard the ship even though it was the same dining room the entire voyage! And there were A LOT of elderly people, as well as people with severe mobility issues, mainly being so obese that they needed electric scooters to even move about. Which I decided I would just assume that an underlying medical condition caused their obesity and not that they are so fucking lazy that they ride a scooter to the buffet.
I can only hope the crew is actually far better trained than I believe them too be, and that any disaster, such as the Costa Concordia, is mitigated by a better, and far swifter response by the ships officers.
Ehm, are Costa and Carnival affiliated, or is there a case of mistaken bashing target here? 😅
Not that your report on Carnival there sound very assuring mind you, but this video in particular was about a Costa ship.
Yep, I just had my first ever cruise and it was on a carnival ship. I have zero nautical experience but even I was alarmed that presenting to muster was optional and very casual and basic then they just played an airline safety briefing style clip on the tvs for everyone else and "strongly encouraged" everyone watch it!
Wild.
In saying that though I was thoroughly impressed by absolutely every other aspect of the cruise on carnival and they have made me somewhat of an enthusiast. Already booking my next one
Thanks for the warning. It's shocking how ill prepared and under trained employees are in general. Life is full of accidents waiting to happen.
Just wanted to mention that typically people who are obsese and using scooters do indeed have underlying medical conditions that prevent them from walking, which in turn makes them obese (or worstens it). Which makes the bad safety regulations even more of a concern because that means that in the case of a legitimate emergency, they would be at a disadvantage like the elderly
20 seconds in "Costa" again. Dis gon b gud.
Basic summary sounds like, if you're driving an entire hotel full of people around, don't try to dart trough traffic. Stay in your lane, make your movements obvious, and it's ok to slow down or stop for a bit, and wait for space to open up.
Errrrm question, why didn't the crew on the ships just communicated to each other?
Like: "Oh hey I'm coming in front of you ok, not wanting a T-Bone OK?"
Don't they have like frequencies they could talk to each other and whatnot? I mean pretty sure communication is key on plenty of circumstances, not just hoping the other party understands what you're doing.
Yes, channel 13 (156.65 MHz) is dedicated to bridge-to-bridge communication, and its purpose is exactly that. Why they didn't? Probably because the Grand Neptune thought they needed to react right then and there, and that they didn't have time to begin a conversation.
Remember, it's not "Oh, hey, I'm coming in front of you" - you don't know who's talking. It's more like "Ship just passing such-and-such point, this is the Costa Atlantica travelling in the opposite direction 3 miles in front of you. Do you see me? over" followed by a response, followed by the message. It can easily take the better part of a minute to say what you want while making sure you both know who it is you're talking to.
You can't always assume the other crew can speak your language.
@@hugmynutus To become a maritime officer you have to know SMCP - Standard Maritime Communication Phrases. So everybody on the bridge should know be able to understand and reply to basic communication in English
@@synp9ynir No - first in the canal you have to listen to 16.
If they had AIS they could have directly call the Costa by DSC - negotiate that 13
@@wjhann4836 You begin at channel 16 but if you want bridge-to-bridge communications that last for more than a few back-and-forths, you need to move to channel 13. That just makes the whole process slower because they are still not sure who they're talking to.
I wonder if the naval industry would benefit from a boat version of TCAS, the traffic collision avoidance system used by aviation.
There actually is something like that, but I forgot the name. The problem with ships is that they manouver very slowly and have to travel relatively close together.
Did u watch the video they did get a collision warning
@@maxwellmelon69 TCAS coordinates between planes to provide specific guidance to all involved aircraft to avoid a collision, not just a warning.
The way you use "anyway" in your videos makes me smile every time
The nautical equivalent of 'I think I can make it before the light'.
I’m a bit curious why the Neptune didn’t adjust course to port, as it would have eliminated the risk of collision without requiring a 360 turn.
A minute on a ship is about 5 seconds in a car as far as decision making tends to go. You can think about things longer on a ship, but the maneuvers take so much space and time that you can very easily watch your ship crash for a while before it actually happens.
If someone cuts in front of you while driving and you have 5 seconds to prevent an accident, are you going to take the action that assumes something about the other car or the one that prevents any accidents from occurring whatsoever?
That would have turned them into the oncoming traffic lane.
Bad drivers are everywhere. 😀
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@@StefanHundhammer "opposite experience" Are you saying that support is better on Linux than Windows ?
I think some wire got crossed up between parallel dimensions you are definitely not posting on your native one dude.
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Oh and it took me a week to have the Intel IGP not go in sleep mode each frame causing display corruption.
Yet everything worked fined on Windows, but I needed a physical Linux platform to test software on.
I'm trying to work on my computer not work ON my computer.
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It's wild that the people commandeering these massive ships with either passengers or expensive cargo, steer the ship like every worst driver you see on the road.
Why even try cutting between two ships close together in the first place?
Costa , MSC and Carnival are all dangerous at sea for other vessels
We don't know what was behind _Grand Neptune:_ there may have been other ships there that weren't shown in the video -- this is, as the video says, one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. That doesn't excuse the action of _Costa Atlantica_ but we don't know the full situation.
Part of it is that thousands of times a day everything goes smoothly, and when it goes wrong it becomes an incident report and a few of those reports become videos on this channel.
Basically its sample bias that the people in charge of these ships are the ultimate bad driver, when in truth its probably the same distribution as drivers on the highway. (Most are just fine, and a few crash because they don't know how to drive responsibly. Although it apear that Costa ships are all piloted by Massholes)
@@jasonreed7522 I would be absolutely terrified if the proportion of bad captains is the same as bad drivers. You would expect a bit more rigour for a role of much higher stakes.
I have so many questions.
Why would you risk your vessel by shooting the gap? Hail the other vessel and explain the situation.
Why would you turn to starboard? Clearly turning to Port will open up your CPA.
Also, have they never heard of right of way and stand on?
This entire situation just frustrates me.
just a guess, but i think they turned starboard to not get into the other "lane"
You turn to starboard, because that's what the rules say. Real question is: why didn't Costa Atlantica turn to starboard, when there was a risk of collision?
It's a Costa cruise ship
Rule 17 Action by stand-on vessel
c) A power-driven vessel which takes action in a crossing situation in accordance with subparagraph (a)(ii) of this Rule to avoid collision with another power-driven vessel shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, not alter course to port for a vessel on her own port side.
@@TheUglyGnome that’s a valid point too. But there is always an exception to the rules of the road. If turning to Port will open the CPA and avoid the risk of collision, while also not putting any other vessel into a dangerous situation, that would have mitigated the situation.
They could have came to amidships or at least clutched in to keep steering and waited for them to pass.
Again, i don’t know how much traffic was in the channel and im only looking at the situation from the retrospect, but I feel like both vessels should have never been in that situation.
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Having to learn the rules of the road this whole thing could have been avoided if the cruise ship had followed the correct rules.
They did, problems is they did not know how to read their systems, they should have taken away their licenses but hey
Thank you sir!
I also don't undestand why Gand Neptune didn't veer to port side instead, thus requiring a less extreme maneuver to avoid collision, since the crossing vessel was going the other direction.
They shouldn't have.. its the rule
If you are driving down the road and you see an approaching car veer into your lane, which way do you turn to try and avoid a collision? Not into their lane.
Colregs says that _Grand Neptune_ must turn starboard in that situation. If _Costa Atlantica_ had realised her own manoeuvre was dangerous, she would have aborted her turn. That would put her in exactly the space that _Grand Neptune_ would have been in if she'd turned to port.
@@tchevrier If it's the only car coming down their lane and on my side of the road there's a ditch, I go to their lane. Been there, done that, not a scratch.
@@mariosebastiani3214 That's good. I'm simply saying that the general rule is that if somebody swerves into your lane, the best course of action is to steer right rather than go into their lane. The reason is that if they realize their mistake and correct, they will steer back into their own lane, which is where you are now. I'm not saying this applies in each and every situation. There are always exceptions to the rule. My comment was in response to the original commenter. There is probably a similar rule, (whether formal or informal) on the sea.
Amazing explanation. Thank you.
this is why ships need turn signals like cars
There are already enough flashing light signals to watch out for; adding more would just create confusion and wouldn't be necessary.
They alright have enough lights bud
They sometimes blow their horns to signal their intentions, at least that's the custom on inland waterways.
You guys don't understand jokes or sarcasm do you?
No, the solution to this problem would not be for _Costa Atlantica_ to have flashing lights advertising "I'm doing some dangerous shit!"
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One surprising thing - to me - is the maneuver chosen by Neptune. In racing for instance your taught to always aim for where the other car had already been as it’s highly unlikely it’s going to come back there. In this instance the Neptune should have veered port rather than starboard if you ask me - for that same reason.
An alteration of course to port should be avoided.
Never turn to port to avoid a collision, that's textbook COLREGs, look it up. The cruise ship was at fault at all times.
@@husseltoo Where did you learn that? I have boating licenses and you always turn to the stern of another ship. What probably happened is that they already started turning to starboard when the Costa still looked like it's heading right at them. So at that point it wasn't clear which side their stern would be and later when they already saw that they should have turned to port, it was already to late and they decided to make a 360° instead.
To specify, you are correct if a ship heads directly into you from your opposite direction then both turn to starboard, this is what the car Carrier did.
But if there is a ship going relatively sideways then you always head for the stern, because this will give room for a safe passing, turning to the bow of another ship is a really bad idea that often already lead to side to side collisions. Never think that it is not allowed to turn to port, often it is the best decision to turn to port. You can see that in this case turning to port would have resolved the whole situation super easily.
@@Warrior6350 Hello. I'm a licensed Master Mariner and have some experience on the area in question. The "traffic lanes" are presented in such a way that even if the COLREG's said to veer to port that would mean going into incoming traffic with a massive vessel that can not be maneuvered as fast a one might wish. COLREG's also states that one must maneuver with safety in mind at all times, something the Cruise ship captain disregarded blatantly. If you read the incident report that was linked you'll see that the RO/RO was never at any risk of collision and indeed was the one to actively avoid the collision. Unless it's a number of very specific situations (none apply here) when you present yourself from the starboard side of the other vessel you must keep both speed and bearing and its the other vessel's job to sail by YOUR stern and never your bow. If the RO/RO turned to port and the cruise ship corrected to starboard as it should have done there would be an accident. Any seafaring instructor, be it STCW, Navigation, Comms, etc will hammer into you till they're blue in the face: Safety First at all times! Clearly show your intentions when maneuvering!
Turning to port would have had her going the wrong way in the opposing traffic lane. In racing everybody is driving the same direction so you can turn either direction.
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I clicked this just to see what that star trek game is but honestly I still got interested enough to skip the ad after clicking the link in the comments, this channel has great editing and formatting of the videos always. I am not particularly knowledgeable about boats but many of the videos get me interested enough to watch the explanation of how this stuff happens
I'm curious about the common policy of accident investigations being only for the purpose of preventing future accidents, not for litigation. Airlines and (I think) railroads have the same policy. How does it work in practice? What prevents corporate victims from bringing lawsuits anyway? What prevents individual people victims from bringing lawsuits?
the families sue... and a really great way to improve is just to learn how to avoid mistakes with improving technolgy, airline training and figuring out what even brings dangerous situations. At least that's how it works in the airline industry
It sounded to me like people can still bring lawsuits, they just can't use anything from the accident investigation as evidence
These investigations do assign blame in cases of deliberate action, gross neglect, fraud or other criminal acts. But human errors caused by inattention, distraction, overload, lack of knowledge or negative training etc, are viewed as sometime that will happen, and systems can stop cascading and causing problems. Investigations that assign blame usually will attempt to detect and prevent the same situations in the future.
It is called Just Culture.
Victims can sue all they want, but safety board reports aren't admissible as evidence in court.
@@beeble2003 Even if the report is damning for gross safety violations and neglect by one (or both) sides of an accident?
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Curious if you have played sea of thieves and if so what your thoughts are on its sailing mechanics
Good video= Good lesson
No action is to extreme to avoid collision. The captain of the car carrier just didn't want to risk a collision with a passenger liner who they probably assume filled with passengers. Though the easier course of action is that the car carrier could have reduced speed by either stopping their engine or putting it to full astern. It's easier to prevent a collision if your ship start to turn away from the opposite ship rather than turning towards them before turning away.
It is hard to stop a cargo ship (takes a mile or so), and putting engine hard in reverse is bad for the engine
Cruise Capt: Yes we communicate with them clearly!
Investigator: how? Verbally or Italian hand gestures?
3:22 Further ahead there was an intersection where you could turn left and it was right in line with destination.
All I could think of was Dwight and Jim during the advert.
Cruise ships being a scourge to everyone? What a surprise.
International Rules of the Road
"When all three lights i see ahead,
I turn to Starboard and show my Red"
"Green to Green, Red to Red,
Perfect Saftey, Go Ahead"
"But if to Starboard Red appear
It is my Duty to keep Clear"
"To act as Judgemeant says is Proper,
To Port or Starboard, Back her Stop her"
"And if Upon My Port is seen
A Steamer's Starboard light of Green'
"I hold my Course to watch and see,
That Green to Port keep's Clear of me"
"Both in Saftey and in doubt,
I always keep a Good Lookout
"When in Danger, No room to Turn
Ease Her Stop Her Go Astern!!!
At 6:24 ... Grand Neptune completed a 360 degree turn??? Huh? Think about that. 😃
Only the first 180 is shown, but in order to continue their journey they'll have completed the circle.
Very interesting! It sure could have been worse!
Why did the oncoming ship turn in the same direction as the crossing ship, like we see in the animation at 6:00?
It feels like it would be much better to turn in the other direction and get behind it. Turning the way they did, seem like it would made a collision more likely than if they had just kept going and take no action at all (given that the distances and speed of the animation is up to scale). But still - very interesting to watch.
I think maybe because that would have had them turning towards the opposite direction traffic lane?
Ships on a (near) head on collision course must alter course to the right, so they pass with their port side to each other ("red on red"). Assuming of course both parties know what are they doing....
It's international regulation that ships avoid each other from starboard. I don't think they could change direction in time on ship this big.
That's right but Costa was already turning left and couldn't change direction even if they wanted to. The other ship could have turned left as well knowing that there was literally no way they could change whatever they were doing in time.
That rule should be applied for oncoming encounter only.
You don't make donuts on the road whenever someone crosses your path do you? (You should not.)
@@Goldap1000 Yes, but it still seems silly to turn in the same direction as the ship you try to avoid colliding with.
But, yes - many of us think about this like driving a car. There is no marked roads on sea - so I guess the shallow angle of the turning ship, combined with it's slow rate of turn, could have made it hard to see if it was actually about to cross or just drifting off it's course into the "wrong lane".
That's probably the reason they have rules they should cross "as close to perpendicular as possible" when crossing the opposit "lane" - like he said. To make it easier for oncoming ships to see.
This ship turning, was apparently not following that rule.
Bro thought he was driving an audi cutting him off like that
It's worth noting here that the 1st naval rule was followed by all required ships.....
Don't be in a crash - and do everything you can to avoid it.
Turning 360 degrees is much cheaper than trying to salvage a sinking ship.
Why does the bar below the ad move so quickly qt the start but so slowly at the end, how odd
You are allowed to enter the tsp-zone when you’re crossing. So you don’t even have to wait till you pass the mpc buoy
Still surprised how much difference there is between aviation and sailing
Sailing is always a mess of guessing and lack of communication while aviation is more like a coordinated dance
But sailing has a much longer history, like 10x, than aviation...
After another unfortunate Starfleet collision, there was another meeting to demand something be done about the multi-century attempt at a collision avoidance system. If its possible to use warp drive to bypass the usual speed of light in regular space why can't we have a collision avoidance system? Well, it's complicated.
Would it be possible to set some kind of "traffic light" or "Naval Traffic Controller" on such busy areal?
If you bring it to scale these ships would be like cars with no brakes. There's no much that can be done. They would be better off communicating with each other
@@thelastwoltzer The only thing that needs to be done is for ships crossing the shipping lane to cross perpendicularly, and to wait until the traffic is clear. No extra control systems needed.
I was wondering if you could do a video on demagnetizing ships. I'm trying my best to understand but I know it will just click when you explain it..
I’m guessing that CPA means closest point of approach, and TCPA means time to closest point of approach.
Correct.
Costa, the Spirit of cruise lines.
Ima commercial Fisherman ive been a Capt. and 1st Mte for years and this blows my mind while we fish with our dredge on the bottom (Fishing Gear) connected by our fishing cable, we fish while other boats are very very close to each other with Gear on the bottom, so you have to be on yoour game and 1 of the 1st things i was ever taught is , YOU CANNOT ASSUME THE OTHER VESSEL KNOWS WHAT THERE DOING OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, so you take adequate precutions to make the 1st mov to avoid this BS
Don’t you love it when your ship captain is legally stupid?
Traffic lights missing in the traffic lanes. Ships should have blinking yellow turn signals. Being used commonly in other transportations and people being most familiar with it,will easily guess the ships turning intentions. Multiple submarine surface flow control surfaces (ailerons) can be used to brake all the ships, without doing a full helm in high traffic density. Automatic traffic lane cross assistance computer for ships should be implemented for automatically checking, checking for any ships on the major lane and measuring their current speed and direct computer to computer communication with the nearby ship's computer system regarding crossing decisions, correcting the current speed, especially for ship braking to keep it waiting for other ships in a major lane to cross after which the turn is allowed to be started.
...traffic lights? That's a good laugh. Turn signals are unnecessary, a fix to an issue that wouldn't even happen with basic navigational skills and COLREGs. Ailerons? Ships already have those to an extent but it is used for stability and ships already have the ability to turn their individual rudders to act as brakes, those ailerons should be well strengthened to handle the turbulence it causes when deployed (full reverse thrust already damages the ship, and causes severe vibrations, go watch the Paul R Tregurtha's crash stop test), in short ailerons are very impractical, and again unneccessary. Ships have stuff like ECDIS and Radar which can display other vessels in the area, and vessels already communicate to each other via bridge-to-bridge radio, however radio comms in a situation like this is rarely utilized because, again, basic navigational skills and COLREGs.
1:14 - this is exactly how those pilot boats look like... I live exactly where those pilot boats can be seen next to the big ships at the end of the Scheldt - the river to Antwerp harbour. The fact that this is a yellow one, and not a red one means that there was a Dutch pilot delivered to the ship, had it been red, the pilot would have been from Belgium!
If two ships are coming the safest way I think would be make the turn after the second ship at the lower speed then make the turn sharp without the s
Other ships having to worry about what the cruise ship is doing also communicate ur plan with the other ships just in case.
Could you look into what caused the stora korsnas link 1 to explode off skinningrove in 1991
Grand Neptune:DeJavu!!!! I've just been in this place before
What those people did to DS9 should be criminal.
your link to Star Trek™ Fleet Command doesn't work for windows.
i can wait :3
Tip: Its never a good time to interrupt the content with a plug for a product, after we're forced to watch two fifteen second ads before the video begins.
Tip: ad-blockers are a thing. Use them, and the only ads you'll see are the completely skippable ones in the middle of the video.
Is the DS9 music going to get this vid copyright striked? Or did the Sponsor give permissions to play it for this episode?
Why did the green one turn right? visually it looks like turning left might have been a quicker way out of danger, assuming those 3 boats were the only ones in the immediate area.
DS9 theme is great
Apparently the rule is to always turn right in the case of a potential head on collision. While left may have been quicker in this case, it could have gone badly if the other ship had turned right to avoid the collision (as the crew might reasonably have expected it to do)
@@Cyberguy42 ooh. I forget that there's standards set in place for situations like this.
Thanks for letting me know.
@@Cyberguy42 The rules (Colregs) say they must turn to starboard in that situation. Why? First, turning to port would send Grand Neptune straight into the other lane of the traffic separation scheme, risking a head-on collision with a third party. Second, suppose that Costa Atlantica realised her own manoeuvre was dangerous. She would attempt to abort by turning to starboard. If Grand Neptune was turning to port, the ships would then collide, despite both of them trying to avoid the collision.
How do you sink an Italian cruise ship ???? A: Put it in water 😂😂😂😂😂
Was the captain the captain of Concordia after this post 😂
Why didn't the Neptune turn to port (left) instead of turning in the same direction of the Costa? Don't think that they would have gone on the other lane.
Because they didn't (at first) realize that Costa was trying to cross their lane.
At the beginning of the turn, the Costa was heading more or less directly at them (look at 5:24), and was only very gradually turning (to keep in line with Serena's stern). If, instead of turning, Costa had instead accidentally wandered into the SW-bound lane due to faulty navigation and/or steering equipment, or a crew error, etc. then Neptune angling to port would just put them in the path of any attempt by Costa to correct course back to the NE-bound lane.
@@boosterh1113 I understand, thanks
I was screaming costa when I saw cruise ship..
After the incident report - was there a lawsuit after?
Me: i drifted a car to avoid an accident once.
Deepwater pilot: amateur. I drifted thousends AND a ship...
Wonder how many arguments there were to make all traffic sail on the right instead of the left :P
Why didn't they turn left? It seems like a better collision avoiding maneuver
They would've turned left into the traffic flowing the other way
Wel i guess it's beter save than sorry, in this event. Although communication could have been beter.
A good reminder that accidents (or in this case, incidents) can happen even when no one is directly at fault.
Seems quite a lot like the Costa was at fault?
The _Costa Atlantica_ was completely at fault! She turned onto a collision course with _Grand Neptune._
Very misleading to have the progress bar in the ad slow down. But great video
It does seem like Grand Neptune turning to starboard made the problem worse, but that could be just the animation. Turning to port seems to make more sense.
It was the safest way, altering their course to port was the worst thing they could do. The cruise vessel had to give way to the Grand Neptune. If at any time the cruise vessel came to their senses and started maneouvring to avoid collision with the Grand Neptune it had 3 options.
1 The cruise ship could steer to the port. That would bring him in collision with the vessel ahead of the Neptune so that was not an valid option.
2 The cruise ship could try to slow down, that takes time espesially on a large vessel. Time that they did not have anymore. If the cruise vessel had done that it would have taken too long to slow down and would still have come very, very close to the Neptune AND if the Neptune would have turned to port it would have been again been a collision situation.
3 the cruise vessel could turn to starboard (right) in that case it would have avoided the vessel ahead of the Neptune and would (hopefully) keep clear of the Neptune. The Neptune steering to starboard would in that case a help to make the passing distance between the 2 vessels bigger.
It is also very clearly stated in the colreg that incase of an impending collision both vessels should steer courses in such a way that the impact of the collision is as small of possible. Steering to starboard by the Neptune would have lessened the impact of that possible collision.
Keep in mind that the Neptune only had seconds to think everything through and to react because at that point both vessels were a few minutes away from colliding and it takes time before a ship starts to listen to the rudder and starts to alter course.
@@Seahorn_ In addition to all of this, even if turning to port as an evasive maneuver avoided a collision with the cruise vessel, it would have put them into the other lane at risk of colliding with any vessels that might be behind the cruise vessel
Don't ships have a TCAS system like airplanes? Identifiers on a display and instant and automatic avoidance calculations? IE. if one ship is heading at another, it tells them to turn to avoid each other?
Unlike in the air, there are obstacles in the sea. Sure, there will be an alarm warning of a potential collision, but how to act will depend on the situation around the ship.
You'd think that someone who passed basic navrules would know better... But hey, what do I know, I'm just a Boatswain's Mate.
"The RORO vessel" all I need to know, I look forward to the future episode on its sinking. o.o
@6:22 180 degree turn surely?
I've just read the report and it says that the closest point of approach was 120 yards, not a couple of hundred metres as claimed. Anything less than 1 mile on a ship that size should have everybody on their toes, but 120 yards?! p.20
It seems to me that the correct course of action would have been to slow down, maintain the original course of 042, then swing NW, in behind Seabourn Pride (the ship behind Grand Neptune) and ahead of Cervantes (6.7 nm further behind). p.17.
It's all very easy for me to be critical but what would they have done if there was no available gap just along the line?
It also occurs to me that they knew they were going have to cross the TSS, so why didn't they practise their Trial facility on the ARPA when they were in Biscay? Poor show on the Atlantica and lucky they didn't have a similar team on the Grand Neptune coming the other way.
Please tell me that francesco schettino was the captain of the Costa Atlantica
Let me guess, the captain of the Atlantica at the time was Francesco Schettino, wasnt it? Before the Concordia disaster, he captained the Atlantica and accidentally rammed it into a harbor.
Today, the Atlantica is renamed the Islander and will be doing cruises in the Caribbean.
Why would Grand Neptune not turn to PORT when they noted the Cost Atlantica moving from left-to-right (port-to-starboard) in front of them? (This also seems like the same issue that caused Titanic to sink.)
The rules (Colregs) say they must turn to starboard in that situation. Why? First, turning to port would send _Grand Neptune_ straight into the other lane of the traffic separation scheme, risking a head-on collision with a third party. Second, suppose that _Costa Atlantica_ realised her own manoeuvre was dangerous. She would attempt to abort by turning to starboard. If _Grand Neptune_ was turning to port, the ships would then collide, despite both of them trying to avoid the collision.
The Titanic is a different story, back then they still treated the ship's wheel like an old school tiller. Whereas nowadays you would turn the wheel to the left if port is called, but back then if starboard was called you would turn the wheel to the left because its what a tiller would be pointing to if the rudder is set to starboard.
Wait don't some of those countries drive with the steering wheel on the left side?