I tripped up on this podcast, and I really enjoyed the topic, being a Black man. Could you please check the audio of Part 2 video. Many parts sound like the tape is spliced and you can't understand what they're saying. I'd love to hear exactly what they're saying. Thanks..
The sound on this podcast was terrible. It was muffled and was not clear to understand what was being said. Please make sure of the sound. We really want to hear this.
The three men on the right side of the panel, has microphone issues. I’m sure there were gems that were spoken, and have been lost. Please do another episode with better audio. Thank you for this discussion, and God Bless you all!
Where is this production located? I would love to work with your production team. It’s important for your believers to hear the participants clearly. If there is some difficultly in noise reduction I’d love to advise. Otherwise, great production!
@@mothornton9127 Exoteric vs Esoteric Mystery Teachings (ex Yeshua taught his inner 12 differently from the mass followers). If you study/research what the ancient pagans study you'll find the truth. Resurrection, Immaculate Conception, Ethical Moral Laws, Creation/Cosmology, Heaven/Hell concepts were here 1000's of years before we get it in the Judeo Christian Theology Concepts. Study the philosophical sciences that the Bible says not to study...there you'll find truth.
That's what the church body is suppose to do.... just as our own individual body's nothing is perfect , the foundation has to be set and traditional ways have to be broken 🤔🤔🤔
I'm totally enjoying you guys! I speak with a lot of young ladies. The first thing I say is I'm speaking to you from where I've come from, not where I am. I don't want someone looking at me now and feel I can't understand the struggle. The struggle is real and will always be real! The other thing is have you ever caught a clean fish? NO! You catch it and then you do the work to prepare it.
Start on time and end at a reasonable time. Holding church for hours has nothing to do with being Godly. More men will come to church and visit churches if we will end at a reasonable time.
If you want to bring any man, not just one ethnicity, back into the church; pastors need to preach the Word instead of giving motivational speeches. Men don’t need motivational speeches, they need to know God. I went to church the other day for the first time in several years to support a friend being baptized. I remembered very quickly why I left. The sermon was 20 minutes of story telling, illustrations and lame humor strung together with only a couple of casual references to the occasional verse to back up this motivational speech on temptation. Interestingly enough, if pastors did that, then the individual concerns that each of these men had would just evaporate.
OMG Great discussion, but the mics 🎤 for all the guys on the right side were terrible it really ruined the whole discussion because a lot of the points that some guys were making wasn't coming through because of overall bad audio. 😔
Listen to this brothers... pastors or leaders must preach the word of god correctly, then he must know how to disciple men. In hosea 4 and 6 says...my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge,because thou hast rejected knowledge, i will also reject thee.... and so on, please read brothers.❤❤
Naw. Its much bigger than this Good Brotha. Many of us Black Men can now recognize the mythology being pushed in these churches. As descendants of the enslaved, we never thought to question these myths introduced to us by our former slave masters. Now we can see that donkeys dont talk and 500 year old men do not build boats. When a person is growing often times facts replace faith.
I love the conversation and the ideas that were shared. I did observe how they stated that the people in the church are judgmental. However, they seem to be judgmental to the pastors and leaders and congregations. They also seem to be speaking on a select few pastors. That may not even be their experience. Also, if they ever ate bad chicken did they stop eating? That being said people and church need to meet in the middle. It seems people want what they want and to be entertained not enlightened. Good discussion nonetheless.
I live in Florida now but I am from Detroit and been by that barbershop. This is a great conversation in the place where black men can be a black man. .I am now part of a group all BARBERSHOP MEN OF PRAYER..
Another great conversation. I do believe the brother that spoke on come as you are was being disingenuous. I haven't seen many pastors chastise little girls coming for the first time. A huge problem I see is older women setting a bad example for the younger. The modern church has a "do what thou wilt" problem. Real men like structure they aren't trying to escape it. There is a proper way to dress as believers (modest). Todays church is geared to please women. That's one reason men aren't there.
The church has lost touch with the community, serving the community is non-existent one I learned from my dad a painter was how to use my gift (landscaping, business skills, singing) to make room for me
I just got introduced to these men about ago. Thoroughly encouraged and happy to see men I can relate to. I'm just having trouble with the in studio audio, the guys mic keep going in and out make it hard to keep up at times. But I thank God for you guys.
Let’s be real: the format of a Sunday service has been copied and pasted for years. We are comfortable running on a script. Men pick up on the “program” and simply choose to “sit this one out” because the space is inauthentic.
LOVE THIS....... theirs a lot of things that are not going to be right in a church body make sure the word of Christ is being preached number one , all the other books are important and need to be touched in depth is upto the Sunday school , Bible study teachers.....these people are very important, you have your teaching and preaching pastors but the number one thing is the pastor to give the WORD ...... ALLOW the WORLD to come in , but don't let the world change the foundation of the church , Twerking and all the other nonsense is not needed their , the church is a battle ground remember that , and you will never be right 🤔🤔🤔 that's an excuse, far as the women wear enough nof it ........ we all die daily remember this ..... .. the pastor has a clergy , a part of this are deacons who are in partnership with the Pastor so you should be able to talk to one or more of them , the church is a body someone will.meet you on your level 🤔🤔🤔 the oldest form of witch craft is the manipulation of the flesh , it's in the bible , OT , .....we all battle with something......On e again we are broad brushing , the THE MEGA CHURCH is not the corner store church , or mid size etc. SEWING A SEED is not going to bring you blessings, 🤔🤔🤔🤔 people give all their lives and still go with the Lord in need of what they wanted , GOD can't be bought... SORRY ......to many good things said in this video..... NEED MORE OF THIS..... GOD BLESS
I did a lot of landscaping at our church while doing so people who were walking by the church asked could they help and would do so for some change or beer etc I got more work done by them than my own church members plus they wanted to help keep the community clean 🪥 They don't Black working on nothing (land or buildings) so they think that's how it is
Umm however we ought to remember that where two or three are gathered in Jesus’ name, He is there as well. As believers we ought to gather together ever so often to manifest the SCALED manifestation of Christ. The scriptures also teaches us not to abandon the practice of believers gathering together because this impacts and greatly reduces the POWER of our testimonies. We should gather together, period. This could be a Sunday service, a Bible study, a small group, or even a house service. The FORMAT of the gathering is not the primary concern. The GATHERING is!
I almost watched this video to see if I could relate. Part 1 as well but unfortunately I’m not black so I couldn’t possibly understand what they’re talking about.
We ought to remember that where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, He is there as well. As believers we ought to gather together ever so often to manifest the SCALED manifestation of Christ. The scriptures also teaches us not to abandon the practice of believers gathering together because this impacts and greatly reduces the POWER of our testimonies. We should gather together, period. This could be a Sunday service, a Bible study, a small group, or even a house service. The FORMAT of the gathering is not the primary concern. The GATHERING is!
Preach the lessons of the Apostles and the people will come. The black church has abandoned the lessons of the apostles for feminism. If the choice is between a church that does not teach the gospel, and self study, which one is best at improving spiritual growth? I go to church, just not a black one.
The church in the community should be a job center along with other uplifting programs due to the fact that many people in the community are jobless. Teaching the scriptures honestly will be a draw to attract men into the congregation.
I wonder how many of these guys actually doing Matthew 28:19-20 , not backing any of these comments with what the Bible says, seems like it’s always someone else fault on why we don’t do, before the church can clean themselves up first , parents need to make sure there house is clean up all expectations have to change within first
Man in the black and red shirt. Made a mistake. He said the Pastor, He or She. The word is very specific in this area. The pastor is to be a Man. Easter isn't biblical. This is something churches, people of the Most High should not celebrate. This is Idolatry. The word itself. Tells us the word is sharper than a 2 edged sword. In the book of Hebrews. The Messiah himself said. He came to heal the sick. I was waiting for these brothers to drop some scriptures. Not a one 😒😐🤨
if you want men in the church you have to go and get them. get outside of your comfort zone and engage them. Show them that you are interested in their real issues here during their temporary earthly existence that dictate their life's decisions. if they reject you that is part of life. If you never try what proof exists that your biblical beliefs are real. The ultimate objective is the eternal salvation of their soul. 1 COR 3.
I have to be necessarily negative on this one. 'Come as you are' doesn't mean to stay as you are. I think this discussion got further from Truth than the first one. It seems like the emphasis was more on not judging instead of living by the commandments. The guy all the way to the right probably shouldn't be on this panel. And, the mic stinks!
your negativity is a little strong. the emphasis is thy word have i hid in my heart that i might not sin against thee, this is a process that starts with coming as you are, it takes a different amount of time for everyone to reach this level. Everyone has a place.
@@sidneybarbour5827if anything, it wasn't strong enough. We can't make excuses, the standards must be set, and we must pursue perfection. There's too much lowering the bar and talking about what we can't do. We need to speak like The Word, not giving occasion for messing up. People naturally falter, so we don't need to talk about it, just how we must measure up to reflecting YHWH. If you get knocked down in a sport, there's no discussion about it, you just better hurry and get back up. There's only a discussion if you don't get back up, or when you win.
Yo real talk every time Santa Clause (OG with the Navy Crew Neck) speaks I feel like I’m on an LSD trip… WTH is he saying… (put up subtitles for him PLEASE)… and I really want to know what he’s saying!
The church is dead in the AGE OF AQUARIUS. THE HOUSE OF THE MAN WITH THE PITCHER(Jesus's words). MEN HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE REALM OF KNOWING AND ACTION. The church is based on BELIEF AND FAITH. things that are detrimental to the TRUTH OF A MAN AND HIS ACTIONS.
I find it weird that one man is the leader of everyone in that church. That one man asks like he has more access to God than anyone else who isn’t a Pastor. That’s a whole entire lie. I don’t see a man being okay with being lead by a man unless he’s a mentor. A random guy who happens to own a church? Nah.
@angellove3645 I completely agree, and that's one of the fallacies of the church. The narrative is told from a male's perspective. The word "man" means : to control. Church is another word for mind. The Masculine Subduer of the Feminine Spiritual Mind. This is why the world is in disarray because Usurped the Feminine Principle through male dominance.
Black community is the only group that doesn’t have a social class or believe there should be a social class which in many instance is invidious. If you’re someone who gives money to any cause for any purpose you should as well be given perks. As someone who grew up in an communistic country & gain substantial amounts in this one many Americans speak towards this angle but are ignorant and don’t take nearly enough advantage for the systems they have. You cant believe to be given the same treatment of an expert as a novice.
I went to a church and they thought i was there for a wife are girlfriend so i left.then i found a church and i had to let them know i'm not there for a wife or girlfriend. Then it got better.
Also there are scriptures in the bible that are so relatable that you rarely if ever hear preach 1 Corinthians 9 :24-27,2Peter 1-10 ; A man that doesn't take care of his family is worse than an unbeliever Most the church don't go to Sunday School so they can only guess what Jesus would do in a particular circumstance or situation then they just sit idle never working crap while they wait for Jesus to answer their prayers ( If you notice your ancestors had a strong work ethic these people today are spoiled )
If you say the men aren’t in the church, how can you make comment on what the church isn’t doing? How do you know if the local church doesn’t have people in the schools, working programs in the community!? This is a flawed panel because you must first have an understanding the church NOT the building! The building is the meeting place of the church! The church is those who go out into the world to do what many on the panel is saying the church isn’t doing! This panel is actually kind of frustrating.
Be transparent. Men respond best to genuineness (Matthew 17:14-20). As a believer, your walk with MESSIAH has to be genuine. Our Weak, watered down strategies are no match for the spirit of darkness that is ravaging our men. HaSatan doesn’t respect strategies or intellect. He respects divine power (Luke 4:33-35). As professed followers of MESSIAH, our job is to walk with HIM and to walk with our fellow man as we walk with MESSIAH. When we walk in genuine relationship with MESSIAH, we glorify HIM and when we live a lifestyle that glorifies HIM, HE draws the men (John 12:30-33). Any strategy outside of that is manipulation in my opinion.
The first thing for men to come back is appearance. No women ruling over the men as Paul commands IE no women pastors, no rainbows gangs or whoremongers, in the choir or leadership. No single men, unless widowed as pastors. No young (under 35) men as pastors. There should be fruitful marriages seen from what's being taught. Family and biblical doctrine should be the focus instead of feel good messages. Conviction through calling out all sin, known or unknown should be happening. This is the 1st century church model and when men see that order where men are leading, men will come back.
@@auh2o148 where? Maybe you should look up the qualifications of bishops pastors and deacons in Timothy. The HUSBAND of 1 WIFE. The apostles were church planters and unique in their calling as their master and husbandman was present with them and spoke directly to them, even in Paul's case. There's much discussion by multiple scolars as to whether Paul was a widower due to the position he held and the age he was at the time of his conversion, but regardless, the doctrine he laid out is clear.
@auh2o148 a better question for you is, why would you ever want to be under a single young man's shepherding concerning your marriage issues when he has no experience in the cornerstone of human existence? 🤔
@markhorn7078 I'm not questioning the qualifications Paul spoke about. I'm questioning the qualifications that You stated - what scriptures back them up? The 1 Wife thing is about not having multiple wives at the same time if you're going to be an overseer - because you won't have enough time to go around to keep all parties taken care of. Anyway, I'm a single, somewhat young man, and I could give and have given very good marital advice. Where we start is our Messiah's relationship with us; next comes the insight. The problem is that people lie and masquerade during at least their courtship. A lot of reasons people have told me why they're getting divorced is from stuff they should've known from the first or second date, let alone time being espoused. One of the biggest issues is that a lot of married people can't give good marital advice. There's too much of the extremes: either at least one spouse is selfish and still behaves like they're single, or the husband caves in way too much just to keep his hard-to-please wife happy and or quiet. People aren't taught how to wait on a spouse, either before meeting them or after the marriage. They see what they want, and they go get it, then want Messiah to bless it, regardless. But, weak men have been caving in since Adam harkened to Eve; and women have been unsatisfied since ruling the world and living in Paradise wasn't enough for Eve. And fyi, Messiah is the Vine and The Vinedresser - The Father is The Husbandman.
Carnal minded people don't understand spiritual things that's why these men are saying what they are. Yes, in the church these things do exist what they are saying. But. 😅 the title says "why they don't go to church." That is not a reason not to go to church. When Jesus comes in your heart your thinking will be or should be different. It's not about the people it's about the Lord. Oh yea, clarification. "Come as you are " means your spiritual condition and not your apparel. Accept Christ in your hearts and he will give you what you need to be able to endure "church people" but don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the day is fast approaching.😢 I hear your pain REJOICE!❤
12:30 yep - the church has been complicit with the lie that “perfect people” go to church. 13:31 if we were flawless we wouldn’t need Jesus. We need to get back to “Come as you are”. Then the Holy Spirit will convict. People will repent. Our lives will change.
Imagine our head, Jesus the righteous, Holy, in heaven pouting at the prospect of serving a worthless, unbelieving, people until they become worthy is His eyes. Where would you and I be? Perspective here is way off. We are coming at this as if God needs us. As if He is the one with something to lose. As if others have to conform to our standards of them. We should be eating solid food but we re still drinking milk. Do we not get that God himself organized His body and commanded for the assembling with one another? Do we not get that church or corporate worship is NOT ABOUT us, ITS ABOUT GOD! Church is precisely imperfect making it a perfect ground to practice Godliness…if we have any.
I love the brothers but I have to say I understand what their apprehension maybe when it come to dealing with the Flesh and Learning to Follow the Bible advice that will lead to a path of Not Practicing Sin. Just using this word sin,some will feel condemned, Romans 5:18-19 NKJV - Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. Colossians 2:13-14 AMP - When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh (worldliness, manner of life), God made you alive together with Christ, having [freely] forgiven us all our sins, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of legal demands [which were in force] against us and which were hostile to us. And this certificate He has set aside and completely removed by nailing it to the cross. I shared these two scriptures because they explain how and why we were born into sin and how we can be delivered from sin, therefore becoming adopted heir of Christ. And that is an Issue today with many folks today we don't want to except the Delivery part the transformation part Mentioned in Colossians 3:12 (Also read Colossians 3:1-11) A true walk with God and Christ mean Change, conformity to The word of God, but we want OUR cake and eat too.... The struggle is real But the Real Blessing is the FREEDOM FROM SIN(practicing of sin)Romans 6:15-18. Peace and blessings to All...This Walk is Work every day and thak God for sending a Redeemer when we do fall short.🙏🏾🙏🏾💙 17:45
I personally find all that singing and talking frivolous. I don't like music and I can't sing. I don't like the "Show" that some pastors do. I just want them to get to the point. I also feel like the preachers are pimps. They just want my money. I don't like the ministers that pretend that they are better than the rest of us. They want me to believe that they are tempted by the same things that tempt me and the others in the congregation.
Lastly you don't hear the sermon be like the ant(working as community) in the black church I helped help many people come to Christ working alongside them Lack of Sunday School hurts a lot would be church members All they know is the Pastor name and church name and don't know crap about why Jesus did what he did and why it was necessary My dad put it simple " Why live in hell and die and go to hell
For the brother under a female pastor, where in the Holy Scriptures did God call a woman to preach? You need to be taught- led by a Holy Ghost filled preacher/teacher. Holiness!!! Acts 2:38 and Isaiah 35:8. Save yourself from HELL.
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I tripped up on this podcast, and I really enjoyed the topic, being a Black man. Could you please check the audio of Part 2 video. Many parts sound like the tape is spliced and you can't understand what they're saying. I'd love to hear exactly what they're saying. Thanks..
Yes, I would love to hear this conversation more clearly...it seems to be full of wisdom.
I want to hear ths. Fix it, I think has important and relevant information.
Ep4
Makes me think someone messing with the audio on purpose as to not reach more ppl
🎈Submit to God
🎈Draw near to Him
🎈Humble yourself before Him
He will give you discernment against the world, flesh and the devil.
100%
We need you in the church. We are praying for you men.
The sound on this podcast was terrible. It was muffled and was not clear to understand what was being said. Please make sure of the sound. We really want to hear this.
The three men on the right side of the panel, has microphone issues. I’m sure there were gems that were spoken, and have been lost. Please do another episode with better audio. Thank you for this discussion, and God Bless you all!
The man in the cap with the tattoo on his arm is genuine. He's actually addressing what I hear men often say
Where is this production located?
I would love to work with your production team. It’s important for your believers to hear the participants clearly. If there is some difficultly in noise reduction I’d love to advise.
Otherwise, great production!
I'm a better individual ever since I've left the church. To each his own.💪🏿
Me too. Thats crazy.
Explain?
@@mothornton9127
Exoteric vs Esoteric Mystery Teachings (ex Yeshua taught his inner 12 differently from the mass followers). If you study/research what the ancient pagans study you'll find the truth. Resurrection, Immaculate Conception, Ethical Moral Laws, Creation/Cosmology, Heaven/Hell concepts were here 1000's of years before we get it in the Judeo Christian Theology Concepts. Study the philosophical sciences that the Bible says not to study...there you'll find truth.
@@mothornton9127 Well I left Christianity and that has made me a much better person. Now I'm no longer a Christian but I live like one
@@whatshatnin4572 so how was Christianity making you a bad person, and if Christianity is bad then why you still living like one.
Good conversation. Those who are members have to be open to creating space for accepting people where they are.
That's what the church body is suppose to do.... just as our own individual body's nothing is perfect , the foundation has to be set and traditional ways have to be broken 🤔🤔🤔
I immediately sent part 1&2 to my pastor! This is sooo good! Thank you. I subscribed!
That's awesome. Thank you for listening and thank you for subscribing! Definitely, come back and let us know his thoughts.
I'm a single mother to a son and I love these conversations. Great podcast.
This is needed!! Men matters❤
I'm totally enjoying you guys! I speak with a lot of young ladies. The first thing I say is I'm speaking to you from where I've come from, not where I am. I don't want someone looking at me now and feel I can't understand the struggle. The struggle is real and will always be real! The other thing is have you ever caught a clean fish? NO! You catch it and then you do the work to prepare it.
One main thing is that church needs to be intentional with time.
What do you mean with that?
Start on time and end at a reasonable time. Holding church for hours has nothing to do with being Godly. More men will come to church and visit churches if we will end at a reasonable time.
Great discussion. "Come outside the walls." Agreed; let's serve together!
If you want to bring any man, not just one ethnicity, back into the church; pastors need to preach the Word instead of giving motivational speeches. Men don’t need motivational speeches, they need to know God.
I went to church the other day for the first time in several years to support a friend being baptized. I remembered very quickly why I left. The sermon was 20 minutes of story telling, illustrations and lame humor strung together with only a couple of casual references to the occasional verse to back up this motivational speech on temptation.
Interestingly enough, if pastors did that, then the individual concerns that each of these men had would just evaporate.
OMG Great discussion, but the mics 🎤 for all the guys on the right side were terrible it really ruined the whole discussion because a lot of the points that some guys were making wasn't coming through because of overall bad audio. 😔
Listen to this brothers... pastors or leaders must preach the word of god correctly, then he must know how to disciple men. In hosea 4 and 6 says...my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge,because thou hast rejected knowledge, i will also reject thee.... and so on, please read brothers.❤❤
Amein! Read the scriptures and study to show yourself approved.
Naw. Its much bigger than this Good Brotha. Many of us Black Men can now recognize the mythology being pushed in these churches. As descendants of the enslaved, we never thought to question these myths introduced to us by our former slave masters. Now we can see that donkeys dont talk and 500 year old men do not build boats. When a person is growing often times facts replace faith.
I love the conversation and the ideas that were shared. I did observe how they stated that the people in the church are judgmental. However, they seem to be judgmental to the pastors and leaders and congregations. They also seem to be speaking on a select few pastors. That may not even be their experience. Also, if they ever ate bad chicken did they stop eating? That being said people and church need to meet in the middle. It seems people want what they want and to be entertained not enlightened. Good discussion nonetheless.
Well said!!!!!
I live in Florida now but I am from Detroit and been by that barbershop. This is a great conversation in the place where black men can be a black man. .I am now part of a group all BARBERSHOP MEN OF PRAYER..
Another great conversation. I do believe the brother that spoke on come as you are was being disingenuous. I haven't seen many pastors chastise little girls coming for the first time. A huge problem I see is older women setting a bad example for the younger. The modern church has a "do what thou wilt" problem. Real men like structure they aren't trying to escape it. There is a proper way to dress as believers (modest). Todays church is geared to please women. That's one reason men aren't there.
Outstanding dialogue. Men need to have a relationship with God. Real talk please continue to bring knowledge to the community.
The church has lost touch with the community, serving the community is non-existent one I learned from my dad a painter was how to use my gift (landscaping, business skills, singing) to make room for me
I just got introduced to these men about ago. Thoroughly encouraged and happy to see men I can relate to. I'm just having trouble with the in studio audio, the guys mic keep going in and out make it hard to keep up at times. But I thank God for you guys.
Let’s be real: the format of a Sunday service has been copied and pasted for years. We are comfortable running on a script. Men pick up on the “program” and simply choose to “sit this one out” because the space is inauthentic.
Great osbervation......
LOVE THIS....... theirs a lot of things that are not going to be right in a church body make sure the word of Christ is being preached number one , all the other books are important and need to be touched in depth is upto the Sunday school , Bible study teachers.....these people are very important, you have your teaching and preaching pastors but the number one thing is the pastor to give the WORD ...... ALLOW the WORLD to come in , but don't let the world change the foundation of the church
, Twerking and all the other nonsense is not needed their , the church is a battle ground remember that , and you will never be right 🤔🤔🤔 that's an excuse, far as the women wear enough nof it ........ we all die daily remember this ..... .. the pastor has a clergy , a part of this are deacons who are in partnership with the Pastor so you should be able to talk to one or more of them , the church is a body someone will.meet you on your level 🤔🤔🤔 the oldest form of witch craft is the manipulation of the flesh , it's in the bible , OT , .....we all battle with something......On e again we are broad brushing , the THE MEGA CHURCH is not the corner store church , or mid size etc. SEWING A SEED is not going to bring you blessings, 🤔🤔🤔🤔 people give all their lives and still go with the Lord in need of what they wanted , GOD can't be bought...
SORRY ......to many good things said in this video..... NEED MORE OF THIS.....
GOD BLESS
I did a lot of landscaping at our church while doing so people who were walking by the church asked could they help and would do so for some change or beer etc I got more work done by them than my own church members plus they wanted to help keep the community clean 🪥 They don't Black working on nothing (land or buildings) so they think that's how it is
That pastor should just call himself a recruiter for the church. They only want men back to boost their coffers
Exactly.
Sad but true....this is a Major issue
You are the church. The Body is the Temple. Jesus said this himself. No need to go to a building if God is with you always.
Umm however we ought to remember that where two or three are gathered in Jesus’ name, He is there as well. As believers we ought to gather together ever so often to manifest the SCALED manifestation of Christ. The scriptures also teaches us not to abandon the practice of believers gathering together because this impacts and greatly reduces the POWER of our testimonies. We should gather together, period. This could be a Sunday service, a Bible study, a small group, or even a house service. The FORMAT of the gathering is not the primary concern. The GATHERING is!
I almost watched this video to see if I could relate. Part 1 as well but unfortunately I’m not black so I couldn’t possibly understand what they’re talking about.
What’s going on with the audio? It keeps going in and out
This is very important feedback. Most leaders I’ve met don’t want to hear this.
Check your sound, please. It seems like a good conversation, but could not follow.
How do i trust you aint tryna pimp me outta 10 percent and a new building fund, while you driving a Mercedes too?
THE CHURCH HAS NOTHING TO OFFER A MAN. SO TAKE YOUR LOVING EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE AND RUN WITH IT.
We ought to remember that where two or three are gathered in Jesus' name, He is there as well. As believers we ought to gather together ever so often to manifest the SCALED manifestation of Christ. The scriptures also teaches us not to abandon the practice of believers gathering together because this impacts and greatly reduces the POWER of our testimonies. We should gather together, period. This could be a Sunday service, a Bible study, a small group, or even a house service. The FORMAT of the gathering is not the primary concern. The GATHERING is!
Preach the lessons of the Apostles and the people will come. The black church has abandoned the lessons of the apostles for feminism. If the choice is between a church that does not teach the gospel, and self study, which one is best at improving spiritual growth?
I go to church, just not a black one.
The church in the community should be a job center along with other uplifting programs due to the fact that many people in the community are jobless. Teaching the scriptures honestly will be a draw to attract men into the congregation.
I wonder how many of these guys actually doing Matthew 28:19-20 , not backing any of these comments with what the Bible says, seems like it’s always someone else fault on why we don’t do, before the church can clean themselves up first , parents need to make sure there house is clean up all expectations have to change within first
Man in the black and red shirt. Made a mistake. He said the Pastor, He or She. The word is very specific in this area. The pastor is to be a Man.
Easter isn't biblical. This is something churches, people of the Most High should not celebrate. This is Idolatry.
The word itself. Tells us the word is sharper than a 2 edged sword. In the book of Hebrews.
The Messiah himself said. He came to heal the sick.
I was waiting for these brothers to drop some scriptures. Not a one 😒😐🤨
Facts!!
These bros are not spiritual. They led by the world n flesh. Once Spirit of God comes I to there life, things will open up there eyes
Is it just me or were there parts of both videos where the audio was garbling?
A man needs responsibility and authority 😮😐
if you want men in the church you have to go and get them. get outside of your comfort zone and engage them. Show them that you are interested in their real issues here during their temporary earthly existence that dictate their life's decisions. if they reject you that is part of life. If you never try what proof exists that your biblical beliefs are real. The ultimate objective is the eternal salvation of their soul. 1 COR 3.
Good podcast but the mics aren't clear or some type of interface
I have to be necessarily negative on this one. 'Come as you are' doesn't mean to stay as you are. I think this discussion got further from Truth than the first one. It seems like the emphasis was more on not judging instead of living by the commandments. The guy all the way to the right probably shouldn't be on this panel. And, the mic stinks!
your negativity is a little strong. the emphasis is thy word have i hid in my heart that i might not sin against thee, this is a process that starts with coming as you are, it takes a different amount of time for everyone to reach this level. Everyone has a place.
@@sidneybarbour5827if anything, it wasn't strong enough. We can't make excuses, the standards must be set, and we must pursue perfection. There's too much lowering the bar and talking about what we can't do. We need to speak like The Word, not giving occasion for messing up. People naturally falter, so we don't need to talk about it, just how we must measure up to reflecting YHWH. If you get knocked down in a sport, there's no discussion about it, you just better hurry and get back up. There's only a discussion if you don't get back up, or when you win.
My reply does not allow for excuses. It is based on fact .
Yo real talk every time Santa Clause (OG with the Navy Crew Neck) speaks I feel like I’m on an LSD trip… WTH is he saying… (put up subtitles for him PLEASE)… and I really want to know what he’s saying!
The church is dead in the AGE OF AQUARIUS. THE HOUSE OF THE MAN WITH THE PITCHER(Jesus's words).
MEN HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE REALM OF KNOWING AND ACTION. The church is based on BELIEF AND FAITH. things that are detrimental to the TRUTH OF A MAN AND HIS ACTIONS.
I find it weird that one man is the leader of everyone in that church. That one man asks like he has more access to God than anyone else who isn’t a Pastor. That’s a whole entire lie. I don’t see a man being okay with being lead by a man unless he’s a mentor. A random guy who happens to own a church? Nah.
@angellove3645 I completely agree, and that's one of the fallacies of the church. The narrative is told from a male's perspective. The word "man" means : to control. Church is another word for mind. The Masculine Subduer of the Feminine Spiritual Mind. This is why the world is in disarray because Usurped the Feminine Principle through male dominance.
You never have to look outside of your Family everyone is not SAVE
Black community is the only group that doesn’t have a social class or believe there should be a social class which in many instance is invidious. If you’re someone who gives money to any cause for any purpose you should as well be given perks. As someone who grew up in an communistic country & gain substantial amounts in this one many Americans speak towards this angle but are ignorant and don’t take nearly enough advantage for the systems they have. You cant believe to be given the same treatment of an expert as a novice.
Also a lot of this generation must learn how to integrate not only into the church but into society as well They won't be kids forever
I went to a church and they thought i was there for a wife are girlfriend so i left.then i found a church and i had to let them know i'm not there for a wife or girlfriend. Then it got better.
Aint nobody going to church especially none of my kid's and i refuse to continue playing make believe wit you Christmas Christians 🙏🏾
Easy tell the preacher to STOP PANDERING TO WOMAN!!
Also there are scriptures in the bible that are so relatable that you rarely if ever hear preach 1 Corinthians 9 :24-27,2Peter 1-10 ; A man that doesn't take care of his family is worse than an unbeliever Most the church don't go to Sunday School so they can only guess what Jesus would do in a particular circumstance or situation then they just sit idle never working crap while they wait for Jesus to answer their prayers ( If you notice your ancestors had a strong work ethic these people today are spoiled )
If you say the men aren’t in the church, how can you make comment on what the church isn’t doing? How do you know if the local church doesn’t have people in the schools, working programs in the community!? This is a flawed panel because you must first have an understanding the church NOT the building! The building is the meeting place of the church! The church is those who go out into the world to do what many on the panel is saying the church isn’t doing! This panel is actually kind of frustrating.
Be transparent. Men respond best to genuineness (Matthew 17:14-20). As a believer, your walk with MESSIAH has to be genuine. Our Weak, watered down strategies are no match for the spirit of darkness that is ravaging our men. HaSatan doesn’t respect strategies or intellect. He respects divine power (Luke 4:33-35). As professed followers of MESSIAH, our job is to walk with HIM and to walk with our fellow man as we walk with MESSIAH. When we walk in genuine relationship with MESSIAH, we glorify HIM and when we live a lifestyle that glorifies HIM, HE draws the men (John 12:30-33). Any strategy outside of that is manipulation in my opinion.
The first thing for men to come back is appearance. No women ruling over the men as Paul commands IE no women pastors, no rainbows gangs or whoremongers, in the choir or leadership. No single men, unless widowed as pastors. No young (under 35) men as pastors. There should be fruitful marriages seen from what's being taught. Family and biblical doctrine should be the focus instead of feel good messages. Conviction through calling out all sin, known or unknown should be happening. This is the 1st century church model and when men see that order where men are leading, men will come back.
Where does it say "no single men, unless widowed"? Paul would've disqualified himself, John the Baptist, Elijah, *Messiah*.
Maybe,men should speak where there is no order, address those areas that needs attention,correction.
@@auh2o148 where? Maybe you should look up the qualifications of bishops pastors and deacons in Timothy. The HUSBAND of 1 WIFE. The apostles were church planters and unique in their calling as their master and husbandman was present with them and spoke directly to them, even in Paul's case. There's much discussion by multiple scolars as to whether Paul was a widower due to the position he held and the age he was at the time of his conversion, but regardless, the doctrine he laid out is clear.
@auh2o148 a better question for you is, why would you ever want to be under a single young man's shepherding concerning your marriage issues when he has no experience in the cornerstone of human existence? 🤔
@markhorn7078 I'm not questioning the qualifications Paul spoke about. I'm questioning the qualifications that You stated - what scriptures back them up? The 1 Wife thing is about not having multiple wives at the same time if you're going to be an overseer - because you won't have enough time to go around to keep all parties taken care of.
Anyway, I'm a single, somewhat young man, and I could give and have given very good marital advice. Where we start is our Messiah's relationship with us; next comes the insight. The problem is that people lie and masquerade during at least their courtship. A lot of reasons people have told me why they're getting divorced is from stuff they should've known from the first or second date, let alone time being espoused. One of the biggest issues is that a lot of married people can't give good marital advice. There's too much of the extremes: either at least one spouse is selfish and still behaves like they're single, or the husband caves in way too much just to keep his hard-to-please wife happy and or quiet. People aren't taught how to wait on a spouse, either before meeting them or after the marriage. They see what they want, and they go get it, then want Messiah to bless it, regardless. But, weak men have been caving in since Adam harkened to Eve; and women have been unsatisfied since ruling the world and living in Paradise wasn't enough for Eve. And fyi, Messiah is the Vine and The Vinedresser - The Father is The Husbandman.
Carnal minded people don't understand spiritual things that's why these men are saying what they are. Yes, in the church these things do exist what they are saying. But. 😅 the title says "why they don't go to church." That is not a reason not to go to church. When Jesus comes in your heart your thinking will be or should be different. It's not about the people it's about the Lord. Oh yea, clarification. "Come as you are " means your spiritual condition and not your apparel.
Accept Christ in your hearts and he will give you what you need to be able to endure "church people" but don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the day is fast approaching.😢
I hear your pain REJOICE!❤
Love this, but is the trippin
And the people had a mind to Work (Nehemiah) not play
12:30 yep - the church has been complicit with the lie that “perfect people” go to church. 13:31 if we were flawless we wouldn’t need Jesus. We need to get back to “Come as you are”. Then the Holy Spirit will convict. People will repent. Our lives will change.
Read the Bible and do your own research. Pastors are not gonna help you.
Imagine our head, Jesus the righteous, Holy, in heaven pouting at the prospect of serving a worthless, unbelieving, people until they become worthy is His eyes. Where would you and I be? Perspective here is way off. We are coming at this as if God needs us. As if He is the one with something to lose. As if others have to conform to our standards of them. We should be eating solid food but we re still drinking milk. Do we not get that God himself organized His body and commanded for the assembling with one another? Do we not get that church or corporate worship is NOT ABOUT us, ITS ABOUT GOD! Church is precisely imperfect making it a perfect ground to practice Godliness…if we have any.
I love the brothers but I have to say I understand what their apprehension maybe when it come to dealing with the Flesh and Learning to Follow the Bible advice that will lead to a path of Not Practicing Sin. Just using this word sin,some will feel condemned, Romans 5:18-19 NKJV - Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Colossians 2:13-14 AMP - When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh (worldliness, manner of life), God made you alive together with Christ, having [freely] forgiven us all our sins, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of legal demands [which were in force] against us and which were hostile to us. And this certificate He has set aside and completely removed by nailing it to the cross.
I shared these two scriptures because they explain how and why we were born into sin and how we can be delivered from sin, therefore becoming adopted heir of Christ. And that is an Issue today with many folks today we don't want to except the Delivery part the transformation part Mentioned in Colossians 3:12 (Also read Colossians 3:1-11) A true walk with God and Christ mean Change, conformity to The word of God, but we want OUR cake and eat too.... The struggle is real But the Real Blessing is the FREEDOM FROM SIN(practicing of sin)Romans 6:15-18. Peace and blessings to All...This Walk is Work every day and thak God for sending a Redeemer when we do fall short.🙏🏾🙏🏾💙 17:45
I personally find all that singing and talking frivolous. I don't like music and I can't sing. I don't like the "Show" that some pastors do. I just want them to get to the point. I also feel like the preachers are pimps. They just want my money. I don't like the ministers that pretend that they are better than the rest of us. They want me to believe that they are tempted by the same things that tempt me and the others in the congregation.
Lastly you don't hear the sermon be like the ant(working as community) in the black church I helped help many people come to Christ working alongside them Lack of Sunday School hurts a lot would be church members All they know is the Pastor name and church name and don't know crap about why Jesus did what he did and why it was necessary My dad put it simple " Why live in hell and die and go to hell
For the brother under a female pastor, where in the Holy Scriptures did God call a woman to preach? You need to be taught- led by a Holy Ghost filled preacher/teacher. Holiness!!! Acts 2:38 and Isaiah 35:8. Save yourself from HELL.
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