The description you gave can be exploited in a way,for example,they say "fight riven when her cooldowns are down",but that's practically never,or bully fiora early,bcs she is a scaling champion,but she can borderline out bully darius in the early
@@highnoon2844 Darius/fiora is indeed a skill match up,but a supposedly late game scaling mobile duelist champ,being able to trade blow for blow into a slow lane bully is kind of nuts, conceptually
@@thereaper7926 but the thing with fiora is that she is supposed to be good in the 1v1 as she is a very weak teamfight champ. If anything you should take use jax as a comparison instead of fiora. strong early, strong late, strong in team fights
In my eyes, Fiora is a skillful champion, just very unbalanced. You can definitely tell a good Fiora from a bad one. But the fact that her vitals do true damage based on max hp is insane and makes people who normally don't have the skill to play her, have some success with the champ.
she is not, the biggest problem with fiora as a "skillful" champ is that she can't miss anything other than the parry wich means you can only outplay her if her damage is not enough to kill you or if you can kill her before she outputs all her damage
@labirintocomplesso1273 yeah and this i will fully agree with. Maybe it doesnt take 120 iq to play the champ, but if you are a maokai main you’ll prolly struggle a bit xd
You can't talk about skilled champions without taking into account skill floors and ceilings. Fiora has a low floor, meaning people who are new to the champion can still perform and be useful. She also has a high ceiling, meaning the best Fiora's can pull off some insane shit (stuff like proccing ult in less than a second) Zoe has a really high skill floor; it's hard for people to pick up the champion, your experience and knowledge from other champions don't translate really well, and you need to be at least decent at her in order the perform even a little. Darius has a really low skill ceiling. Yes you'll learn matchups and macro and stuff, but mechanically you'll hit your peak in 20 games. Fiora is a "skilled champion" not because it's hard to be useful with her, but because it's hard to perfectly pilot her. Same goes for Gragas, Aatrox etc.
Darius low skill ceiling? Absolutely not, there's unbelievably many different unique things to learn for darius that sets apart a good to a bad darius so unbelievably much
Darius has a lower ceiling than the average champion but I don't think it's as low as people make it seem. I hate him so much but there's plenty of ways you can fuck up when playing as him.
i agree, i used to belive there are some like azir for example, after playing this game for so long and almost every single champion i honestly think there are no hard champions in league
skill champions are defined by outplay potential, not if the champ is hard or not imo. for example the base of riven, zed, yasuo, lee sin and irelia are pretty simple, but good players who master these champions can pull off insane plays on these unlike a champ like garen where even if you’re the greatest garen its still always q spin to win and ult
I have the same problem with sup players .I main thresh and its very difficult to play him perfectly and im versing champs lile soraka and lulu who dont have a single skillshot and they xin lane without using thier brain cause they play this champs .And because some people who played thresh got very nice and mastered the champ theu are nerding him very bad .
U don't hate THIS Fiora, u hate Fiora. Every Fiora plays like this. They pick a stupid strong champ, lose de lane somehow and start split pushing all the game. It's sad, but it's true
Skillchamps do exist, nuffin to belive in or not. But for a good mechanical player it wont matter that much. Irelking f/e can pick any champion any time and is insanely good at it. Even tho he‘s a onetrick. My silver friend on the other hand just tried akali ( easy champ for me) and it feels like rocketsience to him.
He called aatrox braindead too. He is just saying people overestimate how difficult fiora is. She just has insane ceiling. Not floor. She is not irelia
@@programix8432 the guy is braindead. Ignoring every principle of trading pattern in the lane, giga overextend, can’t dodge a single spell. Ofc he will get shit on
@@xRG1x yeah they all say that. Fiora is OP but if you every win against her the player is dogshit. Using that argument every single champ i ever lost against is giga broken and every time i win the enemy top is just dogshit
@@dukenintendo e w he'll knock out for millisecond or stun u if there's a minion and also he can flash, in team fights he just should flash e and w then its over gg
to me a skilled champion is one who has to THINK to make a move (kill, trade, invade,push) and cant go blindly in(unless fed), who CAN get punished when the player plays bad and will feel the consequence of such punishment because it sets them back. WW top, malphite with its shitass q, olaf , yorick, VOLI, gwen are all unskilled on this. They can either mindlessly fight/push and go away when they want or can be 0/10 and still be relevant and extremely strong before even reaching ur cs or overall gold income. If that's what's called scaling, then it's too often unfair, what's even the point of the laning phase mattering this much. Also, becoming immensely strong or unkillable with just the first item is wild in this season, but i guess that has more to do with champion scalings and the items. All imma say is that tank meta never ended
@@programix8432 ok i mean thinking in the sense of almost 'needing' a strategy for what u'll do, because you know you're not op and can get punished if u fail. Unskilled champs and broken tanks often have an aura of overpoweredness, of being able to ignore maaany rules. I've never seen ww or voli top managing waves. Only time it happened it was him mirroring me as i just did it to them before, so i was teaching those dogs in the meantime too. They obv have to think to be able to move their champs, but can freely ignore up to a good point strategy, caution, build and gameplan adaptation, cds, matchups and fed enemies they'll suddenly overpower with 1-2 items, without having to outsmart them in combat. Garen can go 0/15, lose both towers and still be a thorn to the side with splitpushing and his R
@@dainpiagne4636 well you could say that about almost every champ, irelia fiora riven trynda morde yone shen and many more can do something that makes them annoying to deal with even if they are giga behind
I play top and I can relate, I call it top syndrome, any champ that uses aa as main damage output is not skillful. He regards a skilled champ as one that uses skillshot for damage probably
He is, my friend picked him up in 12 games or so, but countering his playstyle is as easy. Unlike other toplaners who may be as easy or easier and require you to be a far better player to win against them.
I think the only "hard" part is to manage your matchup and the transition into midgame well Aatrox loses most of his matchups a little bit and also can't really pressure turrets on sidelane very well He IS insanely strong in the right teamfights though
Nah he’s not mechanically easy, he’s medium level. Champs that have some niche mechanics can never be considered ”very easy”. Very easy is olaf, yi, vi, etc. Aatrox requires game knowledge at least for him to function
Nayil i do not like your new editor/editing style bring back the old guy please.In my opinion i learn more in your old vids but the new vids are more entertaining.
@@titanofyoutube4834yeah, aatrox and right clicking totally will work bro. His melee stats are just so good right now And if aatrox is ranged so is darius, kayn, fiora, like what?
@@DIAX9 well, yes it is. This is litterally was can define if a champ is good or not but in particular exceptions in Challenger elo with OTP champs like Kata.
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in my opinion a skilled champion is a Champion that has flaws and u can still pull shit with it
The description you gave can be exploited in a way,for example,they say "fight riven when her cooldowns are down",but that's practically never,or bully fiora early,bcs she is a scaling champion,but she can borderline out bully darius in the early
@@thereaper7926riven cooldowns are not short early and fiora darius is a skill MU
@@highnoon2844 Darius/fiora is indeed a skill match up,but a supposedly late game scaling mobile duelist champ,being able to trade blow for blow into a slow lane bully is kind of nuts, conceptually
@@thereaper7926 but the thing with fiora is that she is supposed to be good in the 1v1 as she is a very weak teamfight champ. If anything you should take use jax as a comparison instead of fiora. strong early, strong late, strong in team fights
@@thereaper7926 all of rivens cd are over 10 sec early btw
In my eyes, Fiora is a skillful champion, just very unbalanced. You can definitely tell a good Fiora from a bad one. But the fact that her vitals do true damage based on max hp is insane and makes people who normally don't have the skill to play her, have some success with the champ.
Bahahahahhahaa. No she ain't
@@Profane_Hydra you are objectively wrong dude
I despise the champ as much as others but the guy is right
she is not, the biggest problem with fiora as a "skillful" champ is that she can't miss anything other than the parry wich means you can only outplay her if her damage is not enough to kill you or if you can kill her before she outputs all her damage
@labirintocomplesso1273 if you need 100% of a champion just to win lane that doesn't mean it's skillful, it means you're a masochist
@labirintocomplesso1273 yeah and this i will fully agree with.
Maybe it doesnt take 120 iq to play the champ, but if you are a maokai main you’ll prolly struggle a bit xd
You can't talk about skilled champions without taking into account skill floors and ceilings.
Fiora has a low floor, meaning people who are new to the champion can still perform and be useful. She also has a high ceiling, meaning the best Fiora's can pull off some insane shit (stuff like proccing ult in less than a second)
Zoe has a really high skill floor; it's hard for people to pick up the champion, your experience and knowledge from other champions don't translate really well, and you need to be at least decent at her in order the perform even a little.
Darius has a really low skill ceiling. Yes you'll learn matchups and macro and stuff, but mechanically you'll hit your peak in 20 games.
Fiora is a "skilled champion" not because it's hard to be useful with her, but because it's hard to perfectly pilot her. Same goes for Gragas, Aatrox etc.
Darius low skill ceiling? Absolutely not, there's unbelievably many different unique things to learn for darius that sets apart a good to a bad darius so unbelievably much
Darius has a lower ceiling than the average champion but I don't think it's as low as people make it seem. I hate him so much but there's plenty of ways you can fuck up when playing as him.
@@icysharpsmormor6473Darius main here lol
i agree, i used to belive there are some like azir for example, after playing this game for so long and almost every single champion i honestly think there are no hard champions in league
skill champions are defined by outplay potential, not if the champ is hard or not imo. for example the base of riven, zed, yasuo, lee sin and irelia are pretty simple, but good players who master these champions can pull off insane plays on these unlike a champ like garen where even if you’re the greatest garen its still always q spin to win and ult
Nice minion farming tool, i mean, W spell.
8:00 SIIIUUUU
fiora Q isn't an auto attack reset, but still counts as an auto attack, so you can Q in and auto attack right after. That's the disgusting part.
never ask a man did he wins gank coin flips 💀
if Naayil started playing fiora he would be hardstuck diamond at best XD
9:33 good lulu r
Meta toplaners in season 14 are all no skills no interaction laners, you can't even trade with them
Its the same as s13, meta didnt change in top
@@2COD3 udyr? Reksai?
in emerald its the opposite, u haveto play vs darius garen mordekaiser aatrox all cancer strong champs
@@martinkaradjov6153you want to play vs vayne top ? TF top ? Actually good jayce player ?. Laning bruiser vs bruiser is the top lane fantasy
I have the same problem with sup players .I main thresh and its very difficult to play him perfectly and im versing champs lile soraka and lulu who dont have a single skillshot and they xin lane without using thier brain cause they play this champs .And because some people who played thresh got very nice and mastered the champ theu are nerding him very bad .
sorakas only dmg besides aa is skillshots...
@@quentincesari5018 Im not taking about her damage she doesn't have that much the problem is her broken heal .
@@panagiotismantas3520 anti heal
"Fiora a skill champ" literary just does the level 1 cheese.
Just dont walk up instantly lol. He was watching his jg instead of paying attention to the lane. His fault for getting cheesed.
8:20 great portuguese
What do yall say about Shen, us he skill or not?
Just play singed you don't need to lane against your opponent lol
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Best player ❤❤
Damn he a better channel
bro is playing aatrox and complaining about unskilled champs
Kayn Naafiri Illaoi top my 3 champ what does yall think abt that pick ?
but u did won lv 1, them walked up to take free hits
But how TF Fiora is unskilled champ?...
U don't hate THIS Fiora, u hate Fiora. Every Fiora plays like this. They pick a stupid strong champ, lose de lane somehow and start split pushing all the game. It's sad, but it's true
4:26 - are you a skilled man becouse youre champion is broken or are you a on broken champion becouse youre skilled.
fiora dificult??? autopilot q, w is the only skill shot and its not even hard to land, e its 2 AA and r its point and clic
Skillchamps do exist, nuffin to belive in or not.
But for a good mechanical player it wont matter that much.
Irelking f/e can pick any champion any time and is insanely good at it. Even tho he‘s a onetrick.
My silver friend on the other hand just tried akali ( easy champ for me) and it feels like rocketsience to him.
bro plays aatrox and talks about skill xdd i can’t
Aatrox need to hit 3 Q-s perfectly to execute, Fiora just autos and Q-s you to death.
There is a little bit diffy my friend
@@theghostoftheuchiha1430Aatrox kills without having to correctly hit the 3 Q-s
@@elpaxito only if he is fed af and he at least needs ulti, Fiora doesn't need to be fed for that.
@@elpaxito also profane is just broken item and works on every ad champ.
i like you naayil but no way you call fiora unskilled while playing aatrox
He called aatrox braindead too. He is just saying people overestimate how difficult fiora is. She just has insane ceiling. Not floor. She is not irelia
@@tranducquang5912 sure but she isnt easy, he acts like shes giga broken while absolutly destroying one in the video
@@programix8432 the guy is braindead. Ignoring every principle of trading pattern in the lane, giga overextend, can’t dodge a single spell. Ofc he will get shit on
@@xRG1x yeah they all say that. Fiora is OP but if you every win against her the player is dogshit. Using that argument every single champ i ever lost against is giga broken and every time i win the enemy top is just dogshit
THERE IS NO SKILLED CHAMPIONS IN THSI GAME, THERE IS HARD MECHANICS AND COMBOS AND FIORA DOES TAKE ONE
Well if we will talk about unskilled champions we shouldn't pass sett for that,he is too broken with his flipping w and doesn't die
the secret technique of not standing in the middle.
@@dukenintendo e w he'll knock out for millisecond or stun u if there's a minion and also he can flash, in team fights he just should flash e and w then its over gg
@@dukenintendo same thing works for aatrox but bronze players rather stand still and call him broken while building no armor or grevious wounds.
Sett is pretty weak wdym?
to me a skilled champion is one who has to THINK to make a move (kill, trade, invade,push) and cant go blindly in(unless fed), who CAN get punished when the player plays bad and will feel the consequence of such punishment because it sets them back. WW top, malphite with its shitass q, olaf , yorick, VOLI, gwen are all unskilled on this. They can either mindlessly fight/push and go away when they want or can be 0/10 and still be relevant and extremely strong before even reaching ur cs or overall gold income.
If that's what's called scaling, then it's too often unfair, what's even the point of the laning phase mattering this much.
Also, becoming immensely strong or unkillable with just the first item is wild in this season, but i guess that has more to do with champion scalings and the items. All imma say is that tank meta never ended
with that definition garen is a skilled champ because you do have to think before you go in
@@programix8432 ok i mean thinking in the sense of almost 'needing' a strategy for what u'll do, because you know you're not op and can get punished if u fail.
Unskilled champs and broken tanks often have an aura of overpoweredness, of being able to ignore maaany rules. I've never seen ww or voli top managing waves. Only time it happened it was him mirroring me as i just did it to them before, so i was teaching those dogs in the meantime too.
They obv have to think to be able to move their champs, but can freely ignore up to a good point strategy, caution, build and gameplan adaptation, cds, matchups and fed enemies they'll suddenly overpower with 1-2 items, without having to outsmart them in combat.
Garen can go 0/15, lose both towers and still be a thorn to the side with splitpushing and his R
@@dainpiagne4636 well you could say that about almost every champ, irelia fiora riven trynda morde yone shen and many more can do something that makes them annoying to deal with even if they are giga behind
MALPHITE HAHAHAAH
@@bigmc9595 stupid ass rock
I agree that trynda is unskilled but olaf takes skill
Olaf takes skill, brother its a 1 hand champ, it doesnt
Olaf takes skill? LOL
Fiora is skilled wdym
Naayil i love you
Pyke is actually doing good midlane this season. You just got a bad Pyke. Unfortunately
Pyke is shit into akshan. He does almost every pyke do but better. Even scales better though both have terrible scaling
@tranducquang5912 that's crazy because I keep winnin against them
I feel like shit.
Seeing even you no longer playing the bruiser. How useless has that build become.
yasuo is skilled
I like watching him but I’m genuinely curious what he thinks is a skilled champ. He literally blames every champ in the game. Every single one.
I play top and I can relate, I call it top syndrome, any champ that uses aa as main damage output is not skillful. He regards a skilled champ as one that uses skillshot for damage probably
although it most probably isn't true, probably is just a cope for being counter picked or smt
The only skilled champions in this game is yasuo and zed alp other need no skill to play
if you play other champs you realize that aatrox is very easy mechanically
He is, my friend picked him up in 12 games or so, but countering his playstyle is as easy. Unlike other toplaners who may be as easy or easier and require you to be a far better player to win against them.
I think the only "hard" part is to manage your matchup and the transition into midgame well
Aatrox loses most of his matchups a little bit and also can't really pressure turrets on sidelane very well
He IS insanely strong in the right teamfights though
Nah he’s not mechanically easy, he’s medium level.
Champs that have some niche mechanics can never be considered ”very easy”.
Very easy is olaf, yi, vi, etc.
Aatrox requires game knowledge at least for him to function
Who is hard if Aatrox very easy?
@@Sultankakto qiyana
Nayil i do not like your new editor/editing style bring back the old guy please.In my opinion i learn more in your old vids but the new vids are more entertaining.
There is no skill in top lane. its only ranged top cringe or some bs melee champ that can right click you to death and has permanent priority.
And then there is aatrox, who hits level 4 and is then both.
@@titanofyoutube4834yeah, aatrox and right clicking totally will work bro. His melee stats are just so good right now
And if aatrox is ranged so is darius, kayn, fiora, like what?
skill champs are not that much universall and garanted to be usefull like moust of brainded skarners/orrns/malph champs
Can't wait to see all the "bro fiora is skilled wtf"... Btw bro fell off
Damn he fell off
That joke is annoying already
The only thing that fell of is the humor of people who use this overused joke
Get c you 12 year old kid.
Don't care + Rooted + Perma-stunned + Airborne + Illaoi Ulted
🤖”he fell off” 🤖🤖
I never understood why ppl think fiora takes skill
Naayil fell off viewers😢
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Imagine playing on S-tier champion and still yapping about the skill
I'm dead bro said aatrox is s tier.
Yeah in bronze my dude
@@unidino8963 54.3 wr on GM is not enough?
@@leprosy9894 yeah winrate is everything sure
@@DIAX9 well, yes it is. This is litterally was can define if a champ is good or not but in particular exceptions in Challenger elo with OTP champs like Kata.
@@leprosy9894 no🗿
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Ngl, I think Irelia is the skilled champ of toplane kekw