Thing about the Jones discourse is that both things can be true. It’s not a bad thing to have two arguments coexist, cause he was absolutely let down by the drops from Robinson and Slayton. But obviously he probably leaves 14 points on the field on the two under-throws to Slayton. I feel like this game just sums up the Jones experience. Like if his team makes mistakes he can’t elevate the team to negate the mistakes and make game-changing plays. E.g. tonight cause ultimately had those throws been on target we aren’t sitting here talking about the drops we’re probably celebrating a W. Also the stat that Jones is 2-14 with a pick on 20+ throws is pretty indefensible.
I feel like daniel jones apologists approach him the way you’d approach a rookie QB: looking for bright spots and development to build on going forward and give the benefit of the doubt. But jones is 27 now and on his second contract, he is what he is. With jones as the QB it always feels like the team plays as less than the sum of their parts. The giants have more talent than people realize its just hard to see with jones weighing everybody down
@@Other_Robots 100% agree. Constantly trying to point fingers at every other area other than QB is fine when it’s a rookie/sophomore I get it. But at this stage we know what Jones is and for the life of me I can’t understand how people can’t see it.
Idc if Burns doesn’t end up with double digit sacks. Can he at least be a force on the defensive line??? Paying $30 million a year to be non-existent in the majority of the game
Burns is a OLB in a 3-4. He is not a DE in the 4-3 Tampa 2. This defense needs large physical DEs. Burns is a waste of the money and roster spot. If he ends up with double digits in sacks, the fan boys will beat us over the head with numbers. This guy is not, NOT, an impact player. And Tibs got back field pressure but can't make a backfield play except for one a game. And people are like... " He had a great game!" This is a bad team on many levels. It starts with a bad head coach and his curl-flat passing attack, and just one run play, an inside zone to the same side.
Disappointed.. I did expect the loss but I had had hope we could pull off a W... I think your analysis of Jones is perfect.. He did under throw a lot of the deep balls and the receivers dropped the biggest balls of the game....
Im still kinda disappointed in our receivers we all know who Daniel jones is by now if hes hitting dudes in the chest you have to catch it jones isn’t great so you gotta catch the good throws
@@chibifirestormexactly. Daboll deserves to draft his own QB before he gets fired. Dude won a playoff game with this bum daniel jones and was coach of the year
Mike, there's no denying it, more often than not, Jones throws behind the receivers. If anyone who doubts that statement - watch the film. Watch every reception. 80% of the time the receiver has to stop and wait for the ball, or turn around and catch the ball behind him. Jones made a few nice passes, but to be a top paid QB in the NFL that's just not good enough.
None of the "DROPS" were dropped TDs. So answer me this. HOW MUCH FAITH YOU HAVE WE WOULD OF SCORED ON ANY OF THOSE DRIVES WITH DROP PASSES? DUDE is ASS. We had 0 passed get into the ENDZONE. 0 Slaton is wasted with DANIEL JONES so is Hyatt. He cannot throw the ball deep. DEEP THREATS are a wasted talent with that QB.
I'm seeing that a lot of people want to try to blame the coach play calling saying he's not being aggressive enough but to me that's not the problem Daniel Jones will always be the problem when you look at the first play he trying to throw the ball deep in the first quarter he threw the ball straight up in the air when he tried to throw it to slayton slayton had his man beat and he couldn't get the ball to him
U are on the money with the neck injury comparison between Peyton Manning & Daniel Jones. Jones isn't throwing past 35yards. Receivers are waiting on the ball or coming back to it. And they had a step or two on the defender already. Meaning it's a TD if they get hit in stride
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2 things can be true at the same time. Drop balls yes but Jones was an issue also. He puts a ceiling on this team. You have to play perfect to win if Jones is QB. Deep ball is trash also! Richard Sherman said it best after the game. It's easy to win games like that when you're playing Daniel Jones. He's not clutch and he doesn't elevate those around him. All we heard was let's give him an offensive line and wide receivers and he's still bad. It's been 6 years. He's gone after this year so bench him and don't risk him getting hurt.
Mike's, the good news is that the GMEN covered the underspread. Another long season, and it shows for the Cowboys🤠, it may not be partially their year this season. The Giants are not a good team; it also appears that the ball does'nt bounce their way, and Nabers got injured, too. It mirrors the Giants in a very early season. Let'sGoGiants🤘🏼.
DJ could not make a clutch play when we needed one, unlike most franchise QBs. Also, some people have speculated that his neck injuries have affected his arm, and that is why he is missing on his long balls.
At least it doesn't look like dj is single handedly holding us back at the moment. However coordinators know he cant hit the deep ball so he batter fix that asap. Really sucked to see nabers laughing with diggs thats a terrible sign.
Idk if it's bc it's an election year, and that's consuming my interests, but I'm just tuned out this year. I want us to be competitive, but I'm ok with a top 3 pick. As long as Mara doesn't fire anyone, and the o-line keeps it up, looks like we're a quarterback away from being relevant
No one helped Jones..... many drops..Nabers dropped the biggest ball of the game..Robinson dropped multiple balls.. F@#$k.. Hyatt didn't attack the ball at its highest point.. Im so tired of hearing g about Hyatt.. Jones didn't play poorly..
Schoen, Daboll and Jones all have to go. Embrace the full tear down and rebuild. You are already losing to teams like Washington that are doing just that! So what exactly are we doing?
All last year i was saying giants need to tank for a QB but every other fan wanted to win meaningless games “for pride” and even tried to convince themselves that tommy devito could be the franchise QB or that even the idea of a franchise QB is overrated, and i just said that “playing for pride” will guarantee another lost season in 2024. Cut to a year later and giants have another lost season with daniel jones meanwhile washington turned their franchise around with jayden daniels. Even as bad as the patriots are they at least have drake maye sitting and learning to give the franchise hope and a sense of direction. Giants need to finally tank this season, cut jones day 1 of the offseason, and draft a real QB for daboll to finally develop. Anybody hoping for wins this year is either delusional, hates the team, or is just ignorant
We controlled time of Possession. Were better on first and second down. Jones is the common denominator. This is the same conservative playbook we had when ee still had barks. Eere shittier with out him innthat regard and jones deepball is gone after all those injuries. Coach Dabs isnt perfect but he can clearly coach good football. If we have Jayden Daniels we win this game. I dont eant schoen back but i do want Dabs to get his QB.
If you can't throw the ball deep especially when it's open you're not going to be able to win many games in the NFL would a quarterback that can't pre-snap read the defense and throw the ball deep you're missing one play on 4th down when singletary almost got stopped a free defensive player came off the left side and a real quarterback would be able to see that and check out of the run play cuz you got to run play running straight at him luckily singletary Dodge the first tackler and made the first down well if he was a real quarterback he made a check out of that to a quick slant play but he's a college quarterback where the coaches got to tell him to do everything he can't do nothing on his own because he's not that good or confident and all y'all that just want to look at his little short passes and he was accurate doing y'all really don't understand football and don't get me started on Robinson that man is too little of course you going to have some good games here and there but he just too little
You are on drugs for saying Daboll called a great game....No TDs is NOT a great game. The object of the game is to score....How can Jones have a good/great game when he can't throw a deep ball?
I Wouldn't say he's crazy for saying it. Only way we could have controlled the time of possession, Been better on First and Third down...is if the QB wiffed repeatedly on top of the WR dropping balls.
Singletary is a bum dude couldn’t even get 25 yards dude ruined all my parlays. But nabers is a animal dudes already top 10 and that’s coming from a eagles fan
I am still a massive DJ defender, but he lost us this one by being ok and not great. I have no clue what happened to his accuracy. Injury? A lot of these balls that were underthrown I know DJ should hit, he has in the past and the one thing I can say about him is he is very accurate on slants hitting people in stride, or adding enoigh loft on deep balls to slayton. The accuracy wasnt there last season either, so its not injury... I think its mental and he will settle down, juat wish it was this week.
@@EmperorMeechdamn unfortunate you think that way, either way he's gone next season, so why stress about it? There is a lot of stuff to like about the giants this year. The offense has been getting better every week, dj was going through multiple reads, he is more elusive in the pocket. Without saquon he is in a far more pass heavy offense, for the first time since his rookie year he is being asked to be more than a game manager, it's different than prepping for a deep first read once in a blue moon. He has to place the ball out of the pocket now, he can only improve from this point forward Like our opinions don't matter were fans lmao. Not your fault you can't find ways to enjoy watching bad teams.
0TDs 2INTs is not arguably a problem, it is objectively a problem. Daniel Jones has thrown interceptions in every game this year. That is most definitely a problem. Daniel Jones cannot throw downfield and cannot hit receivers accurately. That is a problem. Daniel Jones cannot find the end zone when we need a big play and his receivers are open. That is a problem. WE NEED A STARTING QB
@@The_Noticer_of_Things Bro go watch the tape and notice this thing: Jones almost always throws behind his receivers and they have to either wait for the ball or turn around and go back to get it. That’s why the only YAC he gets are on screens and plays like the one Nabers created with that move that left him open down field. This has been Jones problem he just can’t fix. See the open man and lead him so he can maintain his momentum.
@@conwayfitzgerald That's fair I suppose, as I did notice he almost ruined his new star WR's knees with where he led him into that DB diving and hitting Nabers low. Also, I shall defer to some degree as I do not always watch him week in, week out. That said, I still think he has positives to his game(size, speed) that some never even acknowledge. Additionally, he hasn't exactly always been surrounded by an uber talented supporting cast. I think a lot of people cannot handle it well when someone else gets paid and especially if it seems like they got overpaid(obviously he did) but that really should not be held against him at all. Seems like some act like he should have negotiated against himself or something crazy.
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Thing about the Jones discourse is that both things can be true. It’s not a bad thing to have two arguments coexist, cause he was absolutely let down by the drops from Robinson and Slayton. But obviously he probably leaves 14 points on the field on the two under-throws to Slayton.
I feel like this game just sums up the Jones experience. Like if his team makes mistakes he can’t elevate the team to negate the mistakes and make game-changing plays. E.g. tonight cause ultimately had those throws been on target we aren’t sitting here talking about the drops we’re probably celebrating a W.
Also the stat that Jones is 2-14 with a pick on 20+ throws is pretty indefensible.
I feel like daniel jones apologists approach him the way you’d approach a rookie QB: looking for bright spots and development to build on going forward and give the benefit of the doubt. But jones is 27 now and on his second contract, he is what he is. With jones as the QB it always feels like the team plays as less than the sum of their parts. The giants have more talent than people realize its just hard to see with jones weighing everybody down
@@Other_Robots 100% agree. Constantly trying to point fingers at every other area other than QB is fine when it’s a rookie/sophomore I get it. But at this stage we know what Jones is and for the life of me I can’t understand how people can’t see it.
What are you talking about Jones played AMAZING keep him in so we're 1 n 16 so we can get a quarterback.
This guy gets it
Daniel Jones has not thrown a TD in front of the home fans at MetLife Stadium in 635 days 🤯
this was a strenuous one. DJ played competent once again; the throws he did miss we're crucial...
Another one of those games that feels like there was every chance to win it and we just can’t do it
Dj fault
Banks seems to be another miss from Schoen. Lamb literally signalled to Dak that he’s matched up on Banks before the snap
Idc if Burns doesn’t end up with double digit sacks. Can he at least be a force on the defensive line??? Paying $30 million a year to be non-existent in the majority of the game
Burns is a OLB in a 3-4. He is not a DE in the 4-3 Tampa 2. This defense needs large physical DEs. Burns is a waste of the money and roster spot.
If he ends up with double digits in sacks, the fan boys will beat us over the head with numbers. This guy is not, NOT, an impact player.
And Tibs got back field pressure but can't make a backfield play except for one a game. And people are like... " He had a great game!"
This is a bad team on many levels. It starts with a bad head coach and his curl-flat passing attack, and just one run play, an inside zone to the same side.
@@DennisNieves-j7r agreed, front office only got him because he’s flashy. Not worth $30 million a year for highlight plays
We literally don’t have a TE like wtf are they doing
Disappointed.. I did expect the loss but I had had hope we could pull off a W...
I think your analysis of Jones is perfect.. He did under throw a lot of the deep balls and the receivers dropped the biggest balls of the game....
Yeahhhh I gotta unsubscribe from this BS. When Jones being a game manager is him “playing amazing”
Im still kinda disappointed in our receivers we all know who Daniel jones is by now if hes hitting dudes in the chest you have to catch it jones isn’t great so you gotta catch the good throws
i feel for Daboll he can't even call the plays he truely wants because Jones is incapable
@@chibifirestormexactly. Daboll deserves to draft his own QB before he gets fired. Dude won a playoff game with this bum daniel jones and was coach of the year
Mike, there's no denying it, more often than not, Jones throws behind the receivers. If anyone who doubts that statement - watch the film. Watch every reception. 80% of the time the receiver has to stop and wait for the ball, or turn around and catch the ball behind him. Jones made a few nice passes, but to be a top paid QB in the NFL that's just not good enough.
Jones’ timing and accuracy downfield is off, been off…. He doesn’t make unscripted plates and isn’t the answer!
None of the "DROPS" were dropped TDs. So answer me this. HOW MUCH FAITH YOU HAVE WE WOULD OF SCORED ON ANY OF THOSE DRIVES WITH DROP PASSES?
DUDE is ASS. We had 0 passed get into the ENDZONE. 0
Slaton is wasted with DANIEL JONES so is Hyatt. He cannot throw the ball deep. DEEP THREATS are a wasted talent with that QB.
I'm seeing that a lot of people want to try to blame the coach play calling saying he's not being aggressive enough but to me that's not the problem Daniel Jones will always be the problem when you look at the first play he trying to throw the ball deep in the first quarter he threw the ball straight up in the air when he tried to throw it to slayton slayton had his man beat and he couldn't get the ball to him
U are on the money with the neck injury comparison between Peyton Manning & Daniel Jones. Jones isn't throwing past 35yards. Receivers are waiting on the ball or coming back to it. And they had a step or two on the defender already. Meaning it's a TD if they get hit in stride
I’m sorry but nobody should be praising throwing for 280 with 0 tds. How low does the bar have to be?
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2 things can be true at the same time. Drop balls yes but Jones was an issue also. He puts a ceiling on this team. You have to play perfect to win if Jones is QB. Deep ball is trash also! Richard Sherman said it best after the game. It's easy to win games like that when you're playing Daniel Jones. He's not clutch and he doesn't elevate those around him. All we heard was let's give him an offensive line and wide receivers and he's still bad. It's been 6 years. He's gone after this year so bench him and don't risk him getting hurt.
Mike's, the good news is that the GMEN covered the underspread. Another long season, and it shows for the
Cowboys🤠, it may not be partially their year this season. The Giants are not a good team; it also appears that the ball does'nt bounce their way, and Nabers got injured, too. It mirrors the Giants in a very early season. Let'sGoGiants🤘🏼.
Giants. Made for losing
DJ could not make a clutch play when we needed one, unlike most franchise QBs. Also, some people have speculated that his neck injuries have affected his arm, and that is why he is missing on his long balls.
If our TEs can catch, Schoen better activate Isiah Hodges. He's a big target, and remember how effective he was in the red zone in 2022.
At least it doesn't look like dj is single handedly holding us back at the moment. However coordinators know he cant hit the deep ball so he batter fix that asap. Really sucked to see nabers laughing with diggs thats a terrible sign.
You know what the saints and Baltimore did they didn't get bullied their players got some strength on the offensive line
Idk if it's bc it's an election year, and that's consuming my interests, but I'm just tuned out this year. I want us to be competitive, but I'm ok with a top 3 pick. As long as Mara doesn't fire anyone, and the o-line keeps it up, looks like we're a quarterback away from being relevant
Daddy Dak still owns the G-men even when the Cowboys aren’t that good. That’s 7 in a row and on November 28, make it 8.
No one helped Jones..... many drops..Nabers dropped the biggest ball of the game..Robinson dropped multiple balls..
F@#$k.. Hyatt didn't attack the ball at its highest point.. Im so tired of hearing g about Hyatt..
Jones didn't play poorly..
QB
Schoen, Daboll and Jones all have to go. Embrace the full tear down and rebuild. You are already losing to teams like Washington that are doing just that! So what exactly are we doing?
Broken heart 💔 game! We could of won
All last year i was saying giants need to tank for a QB but every other fan wanted to win meaningless games “for pride” and even tried to convince themselves that tommy devito could be the franchise QB or that even the idea of a franchise QB is overrated, and i just said that “playing for pride” will guarantee another lost season in 2024. Cut to a year later and giants have another lost season with daniel jones meanwhile washington turned their franchise around with jayden daniels. Even as bad as the patriots are they at least have drake maye sitting and learning to give the franchise hope and a sense of direction. Giants need to finally tank this season, cut jones day 1 of the offseason, and draft a real QB for daboll to finally develop. Anybody hoping for wins this year is either delusional, hates the team, or is just ignorant
We controlled time of Possession. Were better on first and second down. Jones is the common denominator. This is the same conservative playbook we had when ee still had barks. Eere shittier with out him innthat regard and jones deepball is gone after all those injuries. Coach Dabs isnt perfect but he can clearly coach good football. If we have Jayden Daniels we win this game. I dont eant schoen back but i do want Dabs to get his QB.
If you can't throw the ball deep especially when it's open you're not going to be able to win many games in the NFL would a quarterback that can't pre-snap read the defense and throw the ball deep you're missing one play on 4th down when singletary almost got stopped a free defensive player came off the left side and a real quarterback would be able to see that and check out of the run play cuz you got to run play running straight at him luckily singletary Dodge the first tackler and made the first down well if he was a real quarterback he made a check out of that to a quick slant play but he's a college quarterback where the coaches got to tell him to do everything he can't do nothing on his own because he's not that good or confident and all y'all that just want to look at his little short passes and he was accurate doing y'all really don't understand football and don't get me started on Robinson that man is too little of course you going to have some good games here and there but he just too little
You are on drugs for saying Daboll called a great game....No TDs is NOT a great game. The object of the game is to score....How can Jones have a good/great game when he can't throw a deep ball?
I Wouldn't say he's crazy for saying it. Only way we could have controlled the time of possession, Been better on First and Third down...is if the QB wiffed repeatedly on top of the WR dropping balls.
2 home games 0 touchdowns.Embarrising stat.
Giants are utter garbage they piss me tf off. Like underthrown daniel underthrow threw. And the receivers wanna drop come clutch time.
Singletary is a bum dude couldn’t even get 25 yards dude ruined all my parlays. But nabers is a animal dudes already top 10 and that’s coming from a eagles fan
I am still a massive DJ defender, but he lost us this one by being ok and not great.
I have no clue what happened to his accuracy. Injury? A lot of these balls that were underthrown I know DJ should hit, he has in the past and the one thing I can say about him is he is very accurate on slants hitting people in stride, or adding enoigh loft on deep balls to slayton.
The accuracy wasnt there last season either, so its not injury...
I think its mental and he will settle down, juat wish it was this week.
How?
@@thatoneguy1232dropped on his head as a child
@@EmperorMeechdamn unfortunate you think that way, either way he's gone next season, so why stress about it?
There is a lot of stuff to like about the giants this year. The offense has been getting better every week, dj was going through multiple reads, he is more elusive in the pocket. Without saquon he is in a far more pass heavy offense, for the first time since his rookie year he is being asked to be more than a game manager, it's different than prepping for a deep first read once in a blue moon. He has to place the ball out of the pocket now, he can only improve from this point forward
Like our opinions don't matter were fans lmao. Not your fault you can't find ways to enjoy watching bad teams.
Daniel Jones is severely underrated and is nowhere close to the G-Men's biggest problem. I would argue he is not even a problem at all.
0TDs 2INTs is not arguably a problem, it is objectively a problem. Daniel Jones has thrown interceptions in every game this year. That is most definitely a problem. Daniel Jones cannot throw downfield and cannot hit receivers accurately. That is a problem. Daniel Jones cannot find the end zone when we need a big play and his receivers are open. That is a problem. WE NEED A STARTING QB
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He can’t throw a ball over TWENTY YARDS
@@The_Noticer_of_Things Bro go watch the tape and notice this thing: Jones almost always throws behind his receivers and they have to either wait for the ball or turn around and go back to get it. That’s why the only YAC he gets are on screens and plays like the one Nabers created with that move that left him open down field. This has been Jones problem he just can’t fix. See the open man and lead him so he can maintain his momentum.
@@conwayfitzgerald That's fair I suppose, as I did notice he almost ruined his new star WR's knees with where he led him into that DB diving and hitting Nabers low. Also, I shall defer to some degree as I do not always watch him week in, week out.
That said, I still think he has positives to his game(size, speed) that some never even acknowledge. Additionally, he hasn't exactly always been surrounded by an uber talented supporting cast.
I think a lot of people cannot handle it well when someone else gets paid and especially if it seems like they got overpaid(obviously he did) but that really should not be held against him at all. Seems like some act like he should have negotiated against himself or something crazy.
The Giants will head to Seattle and beat the Seahawks.