Some people in the comments are claiming that Sae is worse because he wasn’t “good enough” to be a striker and that Kaiser is better than him because he “succeeded where Sae failed. I don’t think that people understand that Sae was NEVER a striker he was always more of a playmaker. He “changed” because he likely felt it was a better position (his true position) and because he knew he would do much better in midfield. People say that he changed because he wasn’t good enough to be a striker and compare it to his youth days in Japan. When you’re a kid, the talented kids like Sae are so good that they just can just play anywhere, so they’ll just put you upfront to score lots of goals. He grew up and matured and decided he wanted to be a midfielder. The problem is that in real life, you often end up changing position either because you feel like it, or because you think that you can do a better job in another position. It’s not necessarily that you’re bad at the position. It could definitely be the case that he was told to try midfield in the first week at being at Real. Sae definitely understands how to be an elite striker, as he is very picky about who he plays with, and understands the strengths needed by strikers (he instantly understood Isagi’s direct shot as its fundamental for a striker, and targeted Isagi’s relatively weak core muscles to throw him off balance). It was pretty obvious considering that the only thing stopping Sae from being a striker is size; he’s not the biggest guy. That’s why he wanted Rin to be the striker since he’s taller, and has very good technique and football IQ and dribbling, like Del Piero. Kaiser only beats Sae in terms of physical characteristics, but football is a technical game at its core. Therefore, while Kaiser is a better pure striker/winger, Sae is the overall better overall footballer when it comes to the two, and is the best out of the 3 next gen players.
facts, when it comes to beating a european centerback in a physical contest. Rin has a better chance and more of an ego for it, remember how his pride flared up vs World 5.
Sae went to the pro league wanting to be a striker , he got bested so bad he said Im gonna be a midfielder Kaiser is on a team with the literally the best striker and is like Im still a striker. Sae performance in the U20 is impressive but everyone outscales that in this arc. They are closer to the pros in skills than they are to U20. So how sae better when he loses to children(not saying he lost at full power but Rin took the ball from him) KAISER WINS
@@simonwilliams737 clearly the mighty kaiser has been stoped alot of times from isagi and ubers defence that dosent mean that he is just bad and when rin took the ball he was in his berserker form witch might be even stronger than Kaiser's and sae could easily win that match if he was serious and didnt rely on sindu
This is honestly an interesting debate because you can make a case for both, but I don’t think we’ve actually seen either of them actually go all out. But when you mention Lorenzo I think you forget to add that he is the best new gen defender and Lorenzo has a zombie style dribbling which is unpredictable, so I think that’s unfair to put that solely on Kaiser. I mean he’s called the “ace eater” for a reason.
What I hate most about the debate is they down play kaiser's ability because isagi is taking the spot light from him but its apparently clear that isagi is being helped by a majority of the team including Noa and kaiser is literally not getting the ball.
This is completely Isagi's merit, he was the one who achieved this. It's clear to see that the first intrigue between Bayern and the BL players was that everyone had to send the ball to Kaiser. It's okay to like Kaiser and think he plays a lot, but saying he's not "fitting in with the team" or anything like that is very dishonest, he chose this contest and he's losing. Even when he said he was going to take it more seriously, Isagi went there and took the spotlight @@simonwilliams737
@@simonwilliams737huh? No way you have the courage to say this after both barcha and manshine game, isagi had no one in the barcha( so he used kunigami to get him himself on the team), manshine match isagi only had kurona, and link with Noa on 1 play, Ubers match he had kurona, Hiori( who both played separate time by the way) and you could argue raichi..
The main distinction between these two is their mindset: Kaiser allows situations to bother him, reacting with tantrums akin to a 6-year-old, whereas Sae is more mature, composed, and fully aware of his capabilities.
@@rehaansalim5674yes, and not to mention they have different mentality playstyle. While Kaiser is an whole+restrictive egoist while Sae is more of a world+team player like Isagi and Hiori
I would kaiser is very strong. You left out the part when kaiser took a full shoulder bash from Chris who has arguably the best physique in the entirety of blue lock.
Very thorough analysis, nice job! The only confusing thing is the content of the video seems to indicate that this match-up would actually be close, while the title suggests the opposite.
from a football perspective you cannot compare them effectively. see their team roles are different, kaiser works more with his team to score goals (as a striker would) while sae is more like "an engine" for his team, basically an anchor, which gives him more feats since he has to do more.
Alittle off topic but i have to suggest a theory. Many people say sae's ego broke and while it may seem that way but i theorise that it changed instead of break. What if after playing at the highest level(for his age), his understanding for the role of striker evolved to a much higher level, and while he can keep his ego and continue to go for reaching to be the best, he see a higher POTENTIAL in rin(rin has shown more talent than even sae) in becoming the best striker and changed his ego to making rin the best striker
I was thinking this exact kind of theory, his ‘broken’ ego is just him showing a sadness of letting rin down. He tried to motivate him to try harder to keep their promise or tried to make him feel the same way. Since we haven’t really seen a mid fielder in the U20 that has been on the calibre of sae maybe he saw the potential of them as lukewarm and didn’t see a point in being a striker if he had to do everything.
Someone else came up with this theory, like ego says Strikers cant be made they are born. The theory is that Sae isn't born with the needed talents to become an amazing striker but Rin has that Talent so Sae just wants to make Rin the best Striker and himself the best Midfielder.
I know it would be a one sided vs but you should do akiu vs lorenzo. Akiu did stop noa and matched kaiser when trying to take the ball plus he used to be a striker and a good one too and just switched to being one of the best defenders we had seen. It would be interesting to see how their stats compare and see how much akiu needs to catch up to lorenzo
@@piscoupeidoufeio7327 I think that fouling noa as a 19 year old is still a feat worth mentioning. I am not saying at all that he could stop noa without that foul but still its a feat because we have seen other players and pros try to stop noa even with fouls and fail so i would still consider it. And of course lorenzo is the better player but akiu is the only defender that comes close to him so far and they play the same position so it makes it more easy to compare them
on the cover pages, the chains are describing their egos. for ness his chains and shackles were covered in blue rosevines, and kaiser had glass chains and shackles, that means his ego if fragile
You made my day with this comment man, i check other characters too and it checks i am doing a video on hidden things in BL and this 100% in it so thank u
I would agree that chains represent ego however i do not agree that weaker chain is bad by any means. First we see that all the NG11 players so far have weakened chains; Sae's chain is crumbling, Lorenzo's chain has bite marks and Kaiser chain is made of glass. As seen with Hiori unlocking his chain in the last game, I think that the closer a player is to breaking it, the closer they are to unlocking their "true" ego and therefore their potential.The chains represent what is holding a player back and the fact that the NG11 players have weakened chains show they are the closest to unlocking their full ego
kaiser strength is good he wa able to rival prince hand fully held off bachira with one hand his jumping is also crazy he jumped fully over both chigiri and nagi to intercept passes to them
@@ACE_Lock if he got bodied chris would have won he ball which he didnt and isagi commoneted his upper body stronger and kaiser stopped his entire body with one hand not even his dominant im pretty sure
@@ACE_Lock he also held off nagi with one hand who literally trained his physical body as well as completley bodyblocking chigiti who also went to manshine
Kaiser is obsessed with isagi and does his absolute best in shutting him down, not to say hes going all out 24/7 but Sae played the whole u20 game without care, he didnt care about losing or winning, didnt care about rin etc. Its safe to assume the Sae we saw was not his best and the kaiser we see is basically all hes got. Sae also gets treated like a midfielder a lot which is reasonable, but he just chooses to play like a midfielder in actual games, and even then when he goes for a shot he plays like a striker, i dont think its correct to say that he loses one on one because kaiser can read him well. Obv I can only say all this because we know what kaiser is capable of and Sae's capabilities are rather vague and not really known.
I think Kaiser will is stronger and has better jumping than sae considering he was having physical duals with aiku and wasn’t doing bad against him and he even jumped with aiku who has crazy jumping ability and while he came short him even jumping with aiku is impressive enough W vid btw
15:59 kaiser got ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISHED by isagi in chapter 259 and isagi dominate the whole field, so imo sae has the better ego with his "beautiful destruction."
I have not watched the video (yet) but i would choose any day Sae, why? Kaiser needs a system or a player that can make at least decent passes to him, if he doesn't have a good passer at certains situations can't do nothing, Sae is literally the opposite, he IS the system, he makes his team play, any player on his team, thanks to his passes gets almost unlimeted ofensive options.
this is such a stupid thing that so many people say. yeah, thats how being a striker is..thats how playing soccer is..thats like saying that without a goalkeeper a team cant do nothing. obviously a striker needs passes, they cant just intercept the ball 24/7 and dribble up the field themsevles.
sae's playmaking was showcased with untrained bluelockers. kaiser was showcased against trained by master bluelockers(with isagi metavision disrupting his play). sae really did seem godly back then. but now i think ubers defense can stop him.
Summary this video, the host conducts an in-depth analysis of two prominent U20 football players: Kaiser and Sai Itoshi. The discussion around their attributes, skill sets, and impact on the field. While Sai is praised for his exceptional passing ability and versatility as a midfielder, Kaiser showcases remarkable speed and striking prowess as a forward. The video culminates a fascinating comparison that considers their strengths, weaknesses, and potential match-up scenarios to determine who holds the title of the overall better player. Highlights 0:01 Introduction of the two players: Michael Kaiser vs Sai Itoshi. 0:15 Discussion on recent developments concerning player transfers, including Sai's offer from Real Madrid. 0:47 Overview of Sai's background as Japan's prodigy with innate talent for football. 0:00
7:45 Examination of Kaiser's off-the-ball being superior to others in U20 category. 11:17 Introduction toer's signature move: "Kaiser Impact noted for its incredible speed and precision. 15:00 Evaluation of both players' performances during crucial matches leading up to their matchup discussion. 17:00 Discussion on weaknesses related to each player's ego dynamics and how it affects their gameplay.
Let me tell y’all something metavision can allow you to predict which way the enemy can go this is proved by Isagi and Kaiser has that and predator eye which makes it a 1v1 situation with the goal keeper in this case if it was just a 1v1 with sae so basically he wouldn’t stand a chance against Kaiser who stoped isagi which is surprising because isagi has insane metavision which allow him to dominate the field but isagi with metavision can’t be stoped he surpassed most of the blue lock players he surpassed Aiku and kaiser using them to score goals so basically sae doesn’t win sae is only unstoppable when is has a striker with insane potential and makes them enter flow to keep up with sae which makes them immediately op that’s why Kaiser wins
😂😂😂 You compare a midfieder with a striker ... The tasks of each person are different; the forward has the role of scoring goals, the midfielder has the role of assist goals... The skill sets and requirements of each are different, how can you compare them??
It depends what kind of midfielder is he if he is an attacking midfielder then there roles are quite similar take young Ronaldo for instance bro scored goals like he was a striker but he was an attacking midfielder
@@KamogeloRadikoanyana-g7p Are you kidding me? When did Ronaldo ever play as an attacking midfielder? In his early years, Ronaldo played as a right and left winger, with the role of an Inside Forward. As for Sae, he's an Advanced Playmaker, and Kaiser is a Complete Forward. These two roles are entirely different and can't be compared.
Comments like this are completely useless, if comparing wasn’t possible then there wouldn’t be a video. And besides blue lock and real life soccer are completely different so I’d say a comparison in the blue lock verse is interesting to think about.
Y'all need to stop with the kaiser picking on the weak bs he litteraly went at isagi because after the u20 game he was the #1 in BL then went in a 1v1 against prince and how is kaiser weak for not wanting to compete against the BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD when he is still a minor and sae is not weak for changing position?
If Kaiser joins Re Al then they will have 2 of the best gen 11 players on their team, to think about it, If only sae or only Kaiser can do this much damage I just wonder what will they do together.
When Rin try to copy Sae’s shot, he used his left foot, which is not his dominant foot. Also, Aiku also said in the U20 match after witnessing Rin’s attempt that his left foot is like 2% less accurate or something. So if using his right foot, i think Rin may have the same accuracy or more than Sae shots
@@Spartt204 Rin has more stature to deal with European center backs, it wouldn't make sense for Sae to be less talented, and he has his eye on Isagi anyway
You said we haven't seen a great dueling ability from Kaiser which isn't true, sure he got shutdown by lorenzo, but your forgetting the time he held his own against Chris Prince the second best striker in the world
why is it a negative to be shutdown by the ACE EATER the best defender out the new gen and wh we dont apply the same logic to isagi when he gets shutdown by defenders but uses his teammate to find a way to bypass defense literally what kaiser.
Chris was laughing,playing around and calling kaiser pathetic and made kaiser grin while casually laughing,was able to keep up using sheer physique alone, heck noa had to step in,implying kaiser would've got folded by Chris otherwise
@@kinj0393 fair point but the same would happen to Sae maybe even worse (he got the ball taken from him by a U20 Rin) he’s not doing shit against Prince
@@simonwilliams737 No evidence as for why,kaiser is much much worse than sae in 1v1s, rin only got that thing done against sae due to knowing him for soo long(stated by rin himself) and despite the fact that sae wasnt even that serious,let alone using his all,but one thing is for sure,he would be easily able to pass around high passes,trivellas,soft lobs,high lobs,depsite there being Chris and even against Chris or Lorenzo , while kaiser can't even shoot past lorenzo(Lorenzo stopped kaiser impact with his face once)
Sae went out to become striker and got humbled where Kaiser is the New Gen 11 Striker. Don't know how people can compare when Kaiser is what Sae wanted to be 😂
Kaiser avoids all confrontation where he isn't clearly the best, so his growth is stunted. Bro strangling the spit out of his neck in the bathroom and you think that's goals for Sae. Negative lmao. He's still charting his course, losing to the Japanese. Meanwhile Sae already plays for Kaiser's dream club.
@@ACE_Lock That's some premium amount of cope. Your Sae dominated Blue Lock at lower level where Kaiser dominating Blue Lock after that. Isagi is getting goals because other team's aces are busy stopping Kaiser or he would solo their team
@@monkeydspider8203 Kaiser got destroyed by Lorenzo in the ubers match,while isagi destroyed everyone in that game,scored against Lorenzo,Niko,aiku,Aryu,drago,barou etc ,rin himself stated sae is above him rn,isagi stated rin>isagi rn,and kaiser himself stated that isagi>kaiser rn cope
I have to disagree on strenght i think Kaiser takes this because he was able to fight Chris even to he isnt as strong as chris considering chris propably has the best physicality but Sae has better dribbling because he needs it as a midfielder and playmaker while kaiser doesnt need dribbling that much in his position. So Sae is better overal because a midfielder needs to be belanced while Kaiser was born to be a striker.
I think you're underestimating Sae's defense, in a team he can definitely stop kaiser through intercepting passes heading to him. And in a 1vs1, with his much faster reflexes, meta vision, better agility and acceleration he can get a tackle off, especially since kaiser's dribbling isn't at the point where he's basically unguardable. Plus, we've seen that sae has good defensive technique via his shoulder barge. And I think you're also downplaying kaiser's physicals, honestly, strength jumping and speed go to kaiser, whereas, agility, acceleration, flexibility and balance go to sae. Endurance and stamina is equal as of now since it's hard to measure those. Also, I think you're overrating kaiser's ego just a bit, we've seen from prince that kaiser's ego can be fragile. It's like a glass cannon, he can let a very simple questioning of his ego cause him to abandon his normal playstyle and reasoning
Love the meticulous breakdown of these players💪. May I add a few (mostly speculative) theories into the mix? #1. Between the two of them, Sae has the more mature/evolved ego (hear me out). I believe Sae has already awakened to his "true" ego/self-perception due to his challenging experiences in Spain. He's basically what Kunigami would be after evolving from his fallen hero phase (just look at the similar weary expressions he carried after returning from Spain and Kunigami's post-Wildcard face). The answer Sae arrived at with laser-focused determination (like Aiku) was to be the best midfielder. That laser focus is so insane, he didn't even want to associate with the Japan national team (whether u20 or senior team) because he believed they couldn't/didn't have the hunger/vision to win the World Cup, so he sought to become the best by winning the prestigious club trophies. Kaiser, despite being formerly a mentally weak person and chasing the godlike ego that denies the impossible, has an ego that has grown stagnant. Whilst he has superior weapons, his god complex is a double-edged sword that keeps him from evolving. That's because his belief that he's superior to everyone else and has the solution to any problems also hinders him from accurately assessing himself. You remember that guy who thought he was the king and had to get humbled in the 2nd Selection in order to grow? I think Kaiser lacks the maturity to process despair (what Barou calls dying), something that's critical to ego evolution (according to Ego). And due to that, he almost always doubles down on his madness and dwells on the fact that he shouldn't be able to lose. This man is simulating near-death experiences to come up with solutions (hope his new weapon works, though). Sae, Barou, Aiku, Kunigami etc. experienced despair and accepted their weaknesses at those points. Kaiser doesn't even know what he's doing wrong. #2. Due to point #1, I'm willing to argue that Sae is the better Meta-Vision user between the two. I'd even go as far as to say, he is probably the best Meta-Vision user amongst players in the U20 category (again, hear me out). I'm of the belief that weapon/skill/playstyle evolution is intertwined with ego evolution (every player that has evolved in BL has evolved because of some change in his self-perception. The bigger the change, the steeper the growth spurt). With that in mind, Kaiser's Meta-Vision hasn't evolved yet (or can't evolve any further) because his god complex can't handle the concept of someone having a better vision of play than him. That's how Isagi beat him in vision and just look at how he treats Ness (an actual playmaker) and refuses any of his input outside of his passing. Regarding Sae being the best Meta-Vision user we've seen so far, I'll point out what I believe makes him special. He's BY FAAAAAAR the best player at utilising and maximising an entire team's abilities through his vision. Taking a look at other Meta-Vision users you'll see that most of them only use it in an individualistic manner (which isn't a bad thing) to maximise their own performances. Kaiser uses it see the future but mostly in occasions which end with him scoring. Same with Isagi. Although Isagi uses it all over the pitch, he can only maximise Meta-Vision in states of chaos (ie., in transitions). That's why he's always keeping an eye on the state changes of the pitch. Hiori's best use of it is when he carries the same vision with someone else. Reo, arguably the most versatile user of Meta-Vision, uses it in the freely changing manner of a chameleon (whilst that sounds invincible, it also means that there's no absolute weapon/formula to which he can combine his Meta-Vision, which means his Meta-Vision usage, whilst varied, will always be operating at a lower level. That's the curse of versatility.) Rin uses it in puppeteer fashion but only sees visions that enhance his own performance, which is why his rational playstyle struggles with "bugs" (irrational plays). Niko, the antithesis of Isagi, uses Meta-Vision to maintain order. Every time he's used his vision it has always been to break up or iniate attacks in a way that doesn't break his team shape (unlike other defenders, he incorporates the team's structure into his vision and makes it hard to break down). Unlike Niko, Aiku uses it to individually thwart threats. He'll run to wherever the threat is and stop it by himself, being the complete defender that he is. Of all these players, Sae is the ONLY ONE who can enhance both his individual performances and the team's overall ability with his vision. This man viewed the Japan u20 team as "defective tools" that weren’t any use to him, despite getting numerous chances for them and also scoring in that game. It's not an overestimation to say Sae has the vision to keep up with and create for ANY attacking player. The way he consistently saw through both Rin and Isagi's visions in that u20 match is nothing short of INSANE.
bro the second point is so crispy, Isagi too utilize his team mates but not to the point of Sae which could mean he has a better MV and rn Isagi has the best MV until we see Charles and Rin so if Sae beats him he might be the best in the U20 category yeah
@ACE_Lock yeah, Isagi definitely uses his teammates, but just like Rin and Kaiser, in playmaking terms, his teammates still have a ton to do. And I mean, look at his assists to Kunigami and Yukimiya (those dudes still had to use their absolute weapons to get a goal). Sae's range of vision was so crazy he could create both chances "that even a monkey could score" and plays so intricate in both timing and complexity only Shidou could score. That is crazy to me, especially considering he was doing all these things in a team that had 3 potential Meta-Vision users (Isagi, Rin, Niko) and he was creating for forwards who are struggling to get NEL offers where even Wanima has an offer. I think one of the "weaknesses" (I use this lightly) of Isagi's weaknesses is that it's still very situational (works best in chaos, quick transitions, which makes it reactive). That's why he and Kaiser (another Meta-Vision user) struggled to break from Snuffy's designs. I'd say against other genius players who dictate the game flow (Rin, Sae, Snuffy etc), his MV kinda drops down a notch.
The point is that we've not really seen sae's Metavision and skills but just a few part of what he can do because he didn't even manifest thy metavision eyes in the U20 match so maybe that was coincidence or idk
I think its not easy to compare two players that fullfill different roles in a game. Its like comparing Maldini to Busquets, or Xavi to Ronaldo Nazario
@@ACE_Lockif you're saying isagi utilizes it far better than kaiser, i agree with you. I want you to do a "Why Isagi vs Kaiser isn't Close" video, would be really fun to watch.
@@ACE_LockTechnically if we were to interpret that Rin is more powerful because of training,Sae wouldve also been much powerful since the u20 game cus of the same reason,so in the end we dont really know who is the better player rn since we hadnt see Sae for a long time
The rainbow haired Pro Player is almost grantee to be a better passer than Sae Especially considering what he did with his eyes and ofc him being probably the best player from one of the best footballing nations in history
I like how he so casually says it’s possible to stop Kaiser cause Lorenzo did it over and over but Lorenzo is New Gen X1 level so not just anyone can stop him like have you seen his dribbling?
Don't forget that when Rin went into destroyer mode against Kaiser he destroyed him without even scoring it. And yes I know that Sae didn't get past Rin that easily but... if you really look at his face and his expressions. Do you really think he was trying? Kaiser struggled against Rin while Sae beat him and only lost to him barely. And I know this video is about how valuable these players are and not how they will fare against each other in a 1v1... But... Sae can win against the blue lock u-20 game with a team that wouldn't have won against blue lock. And I know it was also cause of Shidou but the only reason Sae threw the passes like that is cause he wanted to match Shidou's instinct. So it's kind of just adaptability in a way. And Kaiser is useless against Isagi in the first 3 games they played, while Sae beat Isagi and Rin with passes or dribbling. And keep in mind it was the same Isagi that only won against Rin cause of "luck". And Rin was in his berserk/destroyer mode. And they both lost easily.
What makes u believe that current Rin doesn't clown Sae? i mean a weaker berserker state beat Sae before, so why are u assuming this Rin cant beat Sae?
@@ACE_Lockhow did a weaker berserker Rin beat sad tho...it was an even draw,he merely was able to get the ball away from sae because bro did not anticipate he would reach that level when he is in that state and not like Rin got the ball ahead,it was a loose ball thereafter just like you kicking a ball away from your opponent after anticipating his move due to countless loss and dribbles from him so that doesn't count as beating sae for Rin just a mere anticipation of move which I think saw was caught off guard
Indeed they are closed But for me Kaiser>>> sae. 1- I don't understand why people still think that Sae is better than Kaiser when Sae has literally abandoned his dream for beginning the best striker in the world. We talk about a dude who can't even play as striker in the next gen team and plus kaiser come literally for nowhere we saw that in the recent chapter But he succeeds to be the best U20 striker in the world Kaiser Is doing step by step what Sae was dreaming lmao 2- many continue to overhype the feat of U20 game for sae Ok those feat are good but there were against a weak team. all the players of that match has evolved exponentially in NEL. if sae played in the NEL for sure we will be cook in same way Kaiser or Lorenzo are getting some time 3- if Kaiser played against the U20 team instead of sae The BL Eleven would lose for sure because nobody will be able to stop the Kaiser impact. For a team the value of Kaiser >> sae. Lorenzo has proven that because even having cook kaiser. his bid has not surpassed Kaiser's bid. it clearly that for the other clubs Kaiser>>> Lorenzo for a team. the debate between Kaiser and Sae can be the same between Hiori and barou. Hiori is literally better than barou in all domain except the physics, finishing, and leadership but for everyone Barou > hiori .in that case is easy but when its kaiser vs sae many keep saying Sae by far. in addition the difference between the debate Hiori vs barou and Kaiser vs Sae is defense he is better than Sae because of feat that he has shown in the NEL and we still don't know who has the better IQ football between these two. in conclusion I think for that debate kaiser win with (55%) >Sae (45%)
@@ACE_Lock I see but for me it's really depends Sae is better in dribbling and passing it's all Kaiser has the fishining, physique, Speed , agility For the football QI and defense We still don't know But We can even add the ego for Kaiser I don't see in what Sae is better overall than Kaiser
@@zerozero8540you are cooking my friend he will never reply to your comment i'll give you one more amo for you future debate though Everything you said id right but in front of you argument wich are pure fact backed by feat people will say "yeah but sea make the the team better while kaiser need ness as the heartbeat of bastard"thats absolute bs because isagi said himself that reason why bayern are so good is not because they are individualy skilled like in uber's system but its because kaiser is here to finish with an unstopable weapon wich create an absolute rationality wich makes everyone around him better since they all know what they have to do to win each player has a clear goal and that is litteraly the recipy of flow 😭😭....thats backed up by the fact that only 4 player are remaining out those beyern bum are kaiser ness and the 2 CB ...kaiser value is unfathomable on a team
just baised off match up i think sae in a 1v1 wins. Kaiser has no chance of defence and hell stuggle on offence if he has a hard time with isagi. Sea versatility and stats just check kasier espically cuase weve never seen a fully locked in sea
TBH I feel the itachi vibe from sae itoshi ngl, he is freaking genius and a prodigy and also to make his brother strong he makes his brother resent him and try to devour him and in the process evolve as a player who can really be the greatest striker and might even surpass sae and in that way fulfil their dream of becoming world champions together. Correct me if I am wrong but I think they are kind of similar.
is this even debate where sae changes his goal from striker to mf where kaiser is playing as striker at same level at gen 11 stage sae just has better story like itachi/saasuke story line and kaiser is just next target for isagi delevopment
@@ACE_Lock I mean I think sea is one who always calculates the best outcome where kaiser destroys every outcome in terms of overall we never his potential as sae but from what they shown sae is better over all like snuffy
if sae was better than kaiser he would’ve stayed a striker instead he realized he wasn’t good enough and became a midfielder..Kaiser is better than sae 😂
@@Spartt204 I think LAreal has the best striker and he wasn't even competition for him so he wanted to be best at something other than striker and changes whole style to be best at something rather than thinking of surpassing him
i think Sae would win because he kinda carried that match and we havent seen him after the u-20 that looked like he didnt truly try until he entered flow but he looked like he knew they were gonna win. this is my opinion kaiser could win too
Non of this actually matters because u-20 had a whole time skip training arc where everyone was improving. Look at team Manchester how they gave isagi a hard time but rin destroyed them. They growth was insane so comparing the past to the present doesnt give you points. Sae struggled agaisnt weaker versions of the main cast kaiser is fighting the at their "peak" now.
I like this debate since it's more logical, I see people debating if Isagi beats Sae like Sae isn't a key player for Re Al 😭😭 but I want to point out that people still think that Sae changed to a midfielder because of his desire. I believe Sae lost his ego and dream of becoming a striker at Re Al because of the insane competition he had at that trait. He was most likely outmatched at striker, considering Re Al is the best team overall; so it definitely had a better striker. And Sae isn't the BEST striker in the world, Noa is, so it would mean there are many other foreign players that outmatch Sae's capabilities as a striker. And I believe Sae only wanted to be a midfielder because his dream was shattered by an overall better striker (which could be the only cause as to why he came back to Japan with a colder, disappointed look), and because Sae possesses an insane playmaking ability. Still just an opinion though
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I was here before this vid was uploaded
Kaiser's jumping is actually insane during the corner in the manshine match he was able to jump over a mid-jump nagi completely and kick the ball away
true but idk that was a one of a kind, he usually sticks to the ground
@@ACE_Lock he doesn't need to jump high but he can jump high, how many times has sae jumped in the u20 match?
@@xinsanity7841he doesn’t need to, he creates plays for his team and can score on his own, kaiser can’t create plays
He didn't jump over nagi. And nagi was leaning back because he was doing a bicycle kick so ge was low and the angle made it look that way.
he also has decent strength, remember the 1v1 with chris prince? both were crashing into each other for the ball, i don´t think sae can do that.
Some people in the comments are claiming that Sae is worse because he wasn’t “good enough” to be a striker and that Kaiser is better than him because he “succeeded where Sae failed. I don’t think that people understand that Sae was NEVER a striker he was always more of a playmaker.
He “changed” because he likely felt it was a better position (his true position) and because he knew he would do much better in midfield. People say that he changed because he wasn’t good enough to be a striker and compare it to his youth days in Japan. When you’re a kid, the talented kids like Sae are so good that they just can just play anywhere, so they’ll just put you upfront to score lots of goals. He grew up and matured and decided he wanted to be a midfielder.
The problem is that in real life, you often end up changing position either because you feel like it, or because you think that you can do a better job in another position. It’s not necessarily that you’re bad at the position. It could definitely be the case that he was told to try midfield in the first week at being at Real. Sae definitely understands how to be an elite striker, as he is very picky about who he plays with, and understands the strengths needed by strikers (he instantly understood Isagi’s direct shot as its fundamental for a striker, and targeted Isagi’s relatively weak core muscles to throw him off balance).
It was pretty obvious considering that the only thing stopping Sae from being a striker is size; he’s not the biggest guy. That’s why he wanted Rin to be the striker since he’s taller, and has very good technique and football IQ and dribbling, like Del Piero. Kaiser only beats Sae in terms of physical characteristics, but football is a technical game at its core.
Therefore, while Kaiser is a better pure striker/winger, Sae is the overall better overall footballer when it comes to the two, and is the best out of the 3 next gen players.
facts, when it comes to beating a european centerback in a physical contest. Rin has a better chance and more of an ego for it, remember how his pride flared up vs World 5.
totally, no one is debating if Sae is a better striker, overall he is better than Kaiser
Faxxx 💯💯
Massive W I was thinking the same thing
bro there are some pretty good below average size strikers in football, it doesnt matter that much and its easier to driblle too
Both are great charcters with alot of ability's but in a real game i will always choose sae due to his mentality and play making ability's and passing
Sae went to the pro league wanting to be a striker , he got bested so bad he said Im gonna be a midfielder Kaiser is on a team with the literally the best striker and is like Im still a striker. Sae performance in the U20 is impressive but everyone outscales that in this arc. They are closer to the pros in skills than they are to U20. So how sae better when he loses to children(not saying he lost at full power but Rin took the ball from him) KAISER WINS
@@simonwilliams737He went there simply to see what they were made of not to win.
@@PappiiSensei101bro thinks Kaiser wins cause rin took the ball from sae 😂
In a real game i would go with kaiser. He has meta vision like sae and has his kaiser's impact.
@@simonwilliams737 clearly the mighty kaiser has been stoped alot of times from isagi and ubers defence that dosent mean that he is just bad and when rin took the ball he was in his berserker form witch might be even stronger than Kaiser's and sae could easily win that match if he was serious and didnt rely on sindu
This is honestly an interesting debate because you can make a case for both, but I don’t think we’ve actually seen either of them actually go all out. But when you mention Lorenzo I think you forget to add that he is the best new gen defender and Lorenzo has a zombie style dribbling which is unpredictable, so I think that’s unfair to put that solely on Kaiser. I mean he’s called the “ace eater” for a reason.
Ye we haven't seen them go all out so we can't rlly do anything
What I hate most about the debate is they down play kaiser's ability because isagi is taking the spot light from him but its apparently clear that isagi is being helped by a majority of the team including Noa and kaiser is literally not getting the ball.
@@simonwilliams737 fr
This is completely Isagi's merit, he was the one who achieved this. It's clear to see that the first intrigue between Bayern and the BL players was that everyone had to send the ball to Kaiser. It's okay to like Kaiser and think he plays a lot, but saying he's not "fitting in with the team" or anything like that is very dishonest, he chose this contest and he's losing. Even when he said he was going to take it more seriously, Isagi went there and took the spotlight @@simonwilliams737
@@simonwilliams737huh? No way you have the courage to say this after both barcha and manshine game, isagi had no one in the barcha( so he used kunigami to get him himself on the team), manshine match isagi only had kurona, and link with Noa on 1 play, Ubers match he had kurona, Hiori( who both played separate time by the way) and you could argue raichi..
The main distinction between these two is their mindset: Kaiser allows situations to bother him, reacting with tantrums akin to a 6-year-old, whereas Sae is more mature, composed, and fully aware of his capabilities.
totally
But it makes him grow seen in the new ch he himself told he thrives in discomfort
@@rehaansalim5674yes, and not to mention they have different mentality playstyle. While Kaiser is an whole+restrictive egoist while Sae is more of a world+team player like Isagi and Hiori
@@ero-samairianto625 individualistic + freedom
Maybe because he had childhood traumas while sae and Isagi lived in a happy home
I would kaiser is very strong. You left out the part when kaiser took a full shoulder bash from Chris who has arguably the best physique in the entirety of blue lock.
Very thorough analysis, nice job! The only confusing thing is the content of the video seems to indicate that this match-up would actually be close, while the title suggests the opposite.
it's just for the algorithm but yeah it's close
from a football perspective you cannot compare them effectively. see their team roles are different, kaiser works more with his team to score goals (as a striker would) while sae is more like "an engine" for his team, basically an anchor, which gives him more feats since he has to do more.
yeah i said that, but we gotta do it
Love this videos so much quality,keep UP the good work Man🔥❤️
Thanks! Will do my best!
Alittle off topic but i have to suggest a theory. Many people say sae's ego broke and while it may seem that way but i theorise that it changed instead of break. What if after playing at the highest level(for his age), his understanding for the role of striker evolved to a much higher level, and while he can keep his ego and continue to go for reaching to be the best, he see a higher POTENTIAL in rin(rin has shown more talent than even sae) in becoming the best striker and changed his ego to making rin the best striker
I was thinking this exact kind of theory, his ‘broken’ ego is just him showing a sadness of letting rin down.
He tried to motivate him to try harder to keep their promise or tried to make him feel the same way.
Since we haven’t really seen a mid fielder in the U20 that has been on the calibre of sae maybe he saw the potential of them as lukewarm and didn’t see a point in being a striker if he had to do everything.
Someone else came up with this theory, like ego says Strikers cant be made they are born. The theory is that Sae isn't born with the needed talents to become an amazing striker but Rin has that Talent so Sae just wants to make Rin the best Striker and himself the best Midfielder.
Sae vs Kaiser ❎
Sae and Kaiser 🐐🤝🐐
as i said the battle of the Giants
Sae and kaiser is illegal, that is a literal scoring machine. A high level metavision passing and a predator eyes that can pierce a needle
I know it would be a one sided vs but you should do akiu vs lorenzo. Akiu did stop noa and matched kaiser when trying to take the ball plus he used to be a striker and a good one too and just switched to being one of the best defenders we had seen. It would be interesting to see how their stats compare and see how much akiu needs to catch up to lorenzo
Aiku precisou de uma falta para parar Noa... Lorenzo ganha em qualquer quesito do Aiku
@@piscoupeidoufeio7327 I think that fouling noa as a 19 year old is still a feat worth mentioning. I am not saying at all that he could stop noa without that foul but still its a feat because we have seen other players and pros try to stop noa even with fouls and fail so i would still consider it. And of course lorenzo is the better player but akiu is the only defender that comes close to him so far and they play the same position so it makes it more easy to compare them
lorenzo stomps
Oliver Aiku tried to kill Noel Noa, he ought to be *locked up*
i was thinking Sae vs Lorenzo is better since AIku really isn't on their level yet
Thank you for actually looking at this with logic and without bias. For that, I will subscribe.
i do my best to keep any biases out of these
He is literally biased under evey comment that says that kaiser is better than sad. 😂😂😂
Kaiser is NOT skinny. He went back to back with Chris Prince.
He did lose but most people would just get slammed into the floor
he did not chris bullied him when kaiser tried to blow past him
@@floodingitall8659 he didnt if he blew past him hed have got the ball
Bro what @@guyhathansaintil5218
No he got bodied there and Noa had to step up
Second comment W video. I agree Sae is the better overall player and would be able to beat Kaiser in a 1v1 if he had possession of the ball.
Would wipe the floor with him in a 1vs 1 duel.
another banger dude U NEED MORE SUBS AND LIKES
Working on the 3K
First!,it's 12:30 am in India when you uploaded this,can say without even watching that its another W king
Hey bro perfect video before bed
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Basically Sae is a good midfielder and Kaiser is a good striker
on the cover pages, the chains are describing their egos. for ness his chains and shackles were covered in blue rosevines, and kaiser had glass chains and shackles, that means his ego if fragile
You made my day with this comment man, i check other characters too and it checks
i am doing a video on hidden things in BL and this 100% in it so thank u
I would agree that chains represent ego however i do not agree that weaker chain is bad by any means. First we see that all the NG11 players so far have weakened chains; Sae's chain is crumbling, Lorenzo's chain has bite marks and Kaiser chain is made of glass. As seen with Hiori unlocking his chain in the last game, I think that the closer a player is to breaking it, the closer they are to unlocking their "true" ego and therefore their potential.The chains represent what is holding a player back and the fact that the NG11 players have weakened chains show they are the closest to unlocking their full ego
@@P.7005 THIS ^^^
kaiser strength is good he wa able to rival prince hand fully held off bachira with one hand his jumping is also crazy he jumped fully over both chigiri and nagi to intercept passes to them
he didnt rival prince, he got bodied to the point Noa stepped in and Bachira is weak bro
@@ACE_Lock if he got bodied chris would have won he ball which he didnt and isagi commoneted his upper body stronger and kaiser stopped his entire body with one hand not even his dominant im pretty sure
@@ACE_Lock he also held off nagi with one hand who literally trained his physical body as well as completley bodyblocking chigiti who also went to manshine
Bro was in the air
@@guyhathansaintil5218he is dumb af, ghe youtube
Best blue lock channel
made my day!
As always great video
Kaiser is obsessed with isagi and does his absolute best in shutting him down, not to say hes going all out 24/7 but Sae played the whole u20 game without care, he didnt care about losing or winning, didnt care about rin etc. Its safe to assume the Sae we saw was not his best and the kaiser we see is basically all hes got. Sae also gets treated like a midfielder a lot which is reasonable, but he just chooses to play like a midfielder in actual games, and even then when he goes for a shot he plays like a striker, i dont think its correct to say that he loses one on one because kaiser can read him well. Obv I can only say all this because we know what kaiser is capable of and Sae's capabilities are rather vague and not really known.
W i wonder who will win
Nah I'd win
@@ACE_Lockstand proud your strong
@@ACE_Lockbut i lost😂😂😂😂
Sai vs Kaiser seems like it would play put extremely similarly to Noel vs Marc
Love this take on it
So Kaiser is better in the eyes of the audience but Sae is actually better in terms of skill just in general
I think Kaiser will is stronger and has better jumping than sae considering he was having physical duals with aiku and wasn’t doing bad against him and he even jumped with aiku who has crazy jumping ability and while he came short him even jumping with aiku is impressive enough W vid btw
he lost to aiku in the air bro, that aint a feat
Bro blocked his strongest attack with his nuts
Him hyping Kaiser up
Nobody: some guy with Golden teeth named Lorenzo
15:59 kaiser got ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISHED by isagi in chapter 259 and isagi dominate the whole field, so imo sae has the better ego with his "beautiful destruction."
I have not watched the video (yet) but i would choose any day Sae, why? Kaiser needs a system or a player that can make at least decent passes to him, if he doesn't have a good passer at certains situations can't do nothing, Sae is literally the opposite, he IS the system, he makes his team play, any player on his team, thanks to his passes gets almost unlimeted ofensive options.
this is such a stupid thing that so many people say. yeah, thats how being a striker is..thats how playing soccer is..thats like saying that without a goalkeeper a team cant do nothing. obviously a striker needs passes, they cant just intercept the ball 24/7 and dribble up the field themsevles.
sae's playmaking was showcased with untrained bluelockers. kaiser was showcased against trained by master bluelockers(with isagi metavision disrupting his play). sae really did seem godly back then. but now i think ubers defense can stop him.
a Lorenzo vs Sae vid is cooking dw
We literally haven’t see him go all out he never wanted to win the match against blue lock
17:32 can you pls tell me what is versatility
"fifa ballon dor favours strikers" By definition of a striker, the last time a striker won the ballon dor was 2004
love howur prob one of the first to réalise how fast kaiser speed like he's a speedster fr 91 speed is crazy
Summary
this video, the host conducts an in-depth analysis of two prominent U20 football players: Kaiser and Sai Itoshi. The discussion around their attributes, skill sets, and impact on the field. While Sai is praised for his exceptional passing ability and versatility as a midfielder, Kaiser showcases remarkable speed and striking prowess as a forward. The video culminates a fascinating comparison that considers their strengths, weaknesses, and potential match-up scenarios to determine who holds the title of the overall better player.
Highlights
0:01
Introduction of the two players: Michael Kaiser vs Sai Itoshi.
0:15
Discussion on recent developments concerning player transfers, including Sai's offer from Real Madrid.
0:47
Overview of Sai's background as Japan's prodigy with innate talent for football.
0:00
7:45
Examination of Kaiser's off-the-ball being superior to others in U20 category.
11:17
Introduction toer's signature move: "Kaiser Impact noted for its incredible speed and precision.
15:00
Evaluation of both players' performances during crucial matches leading up to their matchup discussion.
17:00
Discussion on weaknesses related to each player's ego dynamics and how it affects their gameplay.
Let me tell y’all something metavision can allow you to predict which way the enemy can go this is proved by Isagi and Kaiser has that and predator eye which makes it a 1v1 situation with the goal keeper in this case if it was just a 1v1 with sae so basically he wouldn’t stand a chance against Kaiser who stoped isagi which is surprising because isagi has insane metavision which allow him to dominate the field but isagi with metavision can’t be stoped he surpassed most of the blue lock players he surpassed Aiku and kaiser using them to score goals so basically sae doesn’t win sae is only unstoppable when is has a striker with insane potential and makes them enter flow to keep up with sae which makes them immediately op that’s why Kaiser wins
Can you make an top 10 vid (blue lockers only)
was thinking i do creating the best BL 11 formation than rank them from best to worse
INCREDIBLE VIDEO!!
😂😂😂 You compare a midfieder with a striker ... The tasks of each person are different; the forward has the role of scoring goals, the midfielder has the role of assist goals... The skill sets and requirements of each are different, how can you compare them??
It depends what kind of midfielder is he if he is an attacking midfielder then there roles are quite similar take young Ronaldo for instance bro scored goals like he was a striker but he was an attacking midfielder
@@KamogeloRadikoanyana-g7p Are you kidding me? When did Ronaldo ever play as an attacking midfielder? In his early years, Ronaldo played as a right and left winger, with the role of an Inside Forward. As for Sae, he's an Advanced Playmaker, and Kaiser is a Complete Forward. These two roles are entirely different and can't be compared.
@@tnv1316in 2003 to 2008 Cristiano Ronaldo Played as a right midfielder
@@mrfusiondogeplayz7331 Can you distinguish between RM and AM?
Comments like this are completely useless, if comparing wasn’t possible then there wouldn’t be a video. And besides blue lock and real life soccer are completely different so I’d say a comparison in the blue lock verse is interesting to think about.
0:45 silverfang ost goes so hard
Y'all need to stop with the kaiser picking on the weak bs he litteraly went at isagi because after the u20 game he was the #1 in BL then went in a 1v1 against prince and how is kaiser weak for not wanting to compete against the BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD when he is still a minor and sae is not weak for changing position?
he thought he was weaker and isagi was weaker
but he avoids strong ppl like they are the plague
If Kaiser joins Re Al then they will have 2 of the best gen 11 players on their team, to think about it, If only sae or only Kaiser can do this much damage I just wonder what will they do together.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Didnt Kaiser literally take 1s with Chris in a physical battle?
no he got shook so hard noa had to step in
You are so biased. Re-read the manga before u upload these😂😂😂
just accept the fact that kaiser is the worst ng11 😂
Itoshi Sad is the Oikawa of bluelock. He can adjust his play style to match with his team.
True
Day 1: Raichi vs Tokimitsu
First endurance and pure physical matchup on this channel. Or better yet. Can raichi stop tokimitsu?
I feel like sae is better because even fully flow rin only managed to stop sae once whereas a stronger flow rin was waltzing past kaiser
tbf its a much better rin now than at u20
@@yellowsupercar366 ye he is, but the u20 flow state is at the same level of today's flow state
@@saverarehman302no? If someone's base gets better, so does the peak
When Rin try to copy Sae’s shot, he used his left foot, which is not his dominant foot. Also, Aiku also said in the U20 match after witnessing Rin’s attempt that his left foot is like 2% less accurate or something. So if using his right foot, i think Rin may have the same accuracy or more than Sae shots
Rin is narratively #2 to Sae
that's on Rin tho
Fair
Rin has more talent than Sae which is why Sae is pushing rin to continue their dream cause he couldn’t accomplish it.
@@Spartt204 Rin has more stature to deal with European center backs, it wouldn't make sense for Sae to be less talented, and he has his eye on Isagi anyway
You said we haven't seen a great dueling ability from Kaiser which isn't true, sure he got shutdown by lorenzo, but your forgetting the time he held his own against Chris Prince the second best striker in the world
why is it a negative to be shutdown by the ACE EATER the best defender out the new gen and wh we dont apply the same logic to isagi when he gets shutdown by defenders but uses his teammate to find a way to bypass defense literally what kaiser.
@@simonwilliams737 gud point
Chris was laughing,playing around and calling kaiser pathetic and made kaiser grin while casually laughing,was able to keep up using sheer physique alone, heck noa had to step in,implying kaiser would've got folded by Chris otherwise
@@kinj0393 fair point but the same would happen to Sae maybe even worse (he got the ball taken from him by a U20 Rin) he’s not doing shit against Prince
@@simonwilliams737 No evidence as for why,kaiser is much much worse than sae in 1v1s, rin only got that thing done against sae due to knowing him for soo long(stated by rin himself) and despite the fact that sae wasnt even that serious,let alone using his all,but one thing is for sure,he would be easily able to pass around high passes,trivellas,soft lobs,high lobs,depsite there being Chris and even against Chris or Lorenzo , while kaiser can't even shoot past lorenzo(Lorenzo stopped kaiser impact with his face once)
Sae went out to become striker and got humbled where Kaiser is the New Gen 11 Striker.
Don't know how people can compare when Kaiser is what Sae wanted to be 😂
Kaiser avoids all confrontation where he isn't clearly the best, so his growth is stunted. Bro strangling the spit out of his neck in the bathroom and you think that's goals for Sae. Negative lmao. He's still charting his course, losing to the Japanese. Meanwhile Sae already plays for Kaiser's dream club.
this just means Kaiser is a better Striker while Sae is more fitting to be an MF and is overall better
@@ACE_Lock That's some premium amount of cope.
Your Sae dominated Blue Lock at lower level where Kaiser dominating Blue Lock after that. Isagi is getting goals because other team's aces are busy stopping Kaiser or he would solo their team
@@noaworldTM 🤡
@@monkeydspider8203 Kaiser got destroyed by Lorenzo in the ubers match,while isagi destroyed everyone in that game,scored against Lorenzo,Niko,aiku,Aryu,drago,barou etc ,rin himself stated sae is above him rn,isagi stated rin>isagi rn,and kaiser himself stated that isagi>kaiser rn cope
Realistically we can not compare these two giants. Cuz we have never saw them go all out
true but it's fun to speculate
@@ACE_Lock that is true lol. Think a video should be done on what Kaiser is cooking for the PXG game
"Why Sae vs Kaiser isn't Close"
*proceeds to explain that it is close*
What app did u use pls and fire edit btw
I use After Effects
Isn't Dada Silva a defender and Pablo an attacking midfielder?
No they are all strikers
I have to disagree on strenght i think Kaiser takes this because he was able to fight Chris even to he isnt as strong as chris considering chris propably has the best physicality but Sae has better dribbling because he needs it as a midfielder and playmaker while kaiser doesnt need dribbling that much in his position. So Sae is better overal because a midfielder needs to be belanced while Kaiser was born to be a striker.
he wasn't, he got wrecked by one tackle and Noa had to step in, it's not a feat if you loose
ur second point is right tho
0:53 music ?
Please read the description
sae vs kaiseris basically noel vs snuffy, snuffy is known as the overall best player in the world and noel is the best striker
I'd say Snuffy represents isagi better, which i already did a video on
Who do you think would come out on top? Sae or Charles? (once we see more of Charles ofc)
it's going as if Charles is Sae's biggest rival but with no real feats i cant really say
I think you're underestimating Sae's defense, in a team he can definitely stop kaiser through intercepting passes heading to him. And in a 1vs1, with his much faster reflexes, meta vision, better agility and acceleration he can get a tackle off, especially since kaiser's dribbling isn't at the point where he's basically unguardable. Plus, we've seen that sae has good defensive technique via his shoulder barge.
And I think you're also downplaying kaiser's physicals, honestly, strength jumping and speed go to kaiser, whereas, agility, acceleration, flexibility and balance go to sae. Endurance and stamina is equal as of now since it's hard to measure those.
Also, I think you're overrating kaiser's ego just a bit, we've seen from prince that kaiser's ego can be fragile. It's like a glass cannon, he can let a very simple questioning of his ego cause him to abandon his normal playstyle and reasoning
i dont see it, they both have MV but PE will destroy Kaiser on defense
Love the meticulous breakdown of these players💪. May I add a few (mostly speculative) theories into the mix?
#1. Between the two of them, Sae has the more mature/evolved ego (hear me out). I believe Sae has already awakened to his "true" ego/self-perception due to his challenging experiences in Spain. He's basically what Kunigami would be after evolving from his fallen hero phase (just look at the similar weary expressions he carried after returning from Spain and Kunigami's post-Wildcard face). The answer Sae arrived at with laser-focused determination (like Aiku) was to be the best midfielder. That laser focus is so insane, he didn't even want to associate with the Japan national team (whether u20 or senior team) because he believed they couldn't/didn't have the hunger/vision to win the World Cup, so he sought to become the best by winning the prestigious club trophies.
Kaiser, despite being formerly a mentally weak person and chasing the godlike ego that denies the impossible, has an ego that has grown stagnant. Whilst he has superior weapons, his god complex is a double-edged sword that keeps him from evolving. That's because his belief that he's superior to everyone else and has the solution to any problems also hinders him from accurately assessing himself. You remember that guy who thought he was the king and had to get humbled in the 2nd Selection in order to grow? I think Kaiser lacks the maturity to process despair (what Barou calls dying), something that's critical to ego evolution (according to Ego). And due to that, he almost always doubles down on his madness and dwells on the fact that he shouldn't be able to lose. This man is simulating near-death experiences to come up with solutions (hope his new weapon works, though). Sae, Barou, Aiku, Kunigami etc. experienced despair and accepted their weaknesses at those points. Kaiser doesn't even know what he's doing wrong.
#2. Due to point #1, I'm willing to argue that Sae is the better Meta-Vision user between the two. I'd even go as far as to say, he is probably the best Meta-Vision user amongst players in the U20 category (again, hear me out). I'm of the belief that weapon/skill/playstyle evolution is intertwined with ego evolution (every player that has evolved in BL has evolved because of some change in his self-perception. The bigger the change, the steeper the growth spurt). With that in mind, Kaiser's Meta-Vision hasn't evolved yet (or can't evolve any further) because his god complex can't handle the concept of someone having a better vision of play than him. That's how Isagi beat him in vision and just look at how he treats Ness (an actual playmaker) and refuses any of his input outside of his passing.
Regarding Sae being the best Meta-Vision user we've seen so far, I'll point out what I believe makes him special. He's BY FAAAAAAR the best player at utilising and maximising an entire team's abilities through his vision. Taking a look at other Meta-Vision users you'll see that most of them only use it in an individualistic manner (which isn't a bad thing) to maximise their own performances.
Kaiser uses it see the future but mostly in occasions which end with him scoring. Same with Isagi. Although Isagi uses it all over the pitch, he can only maximise Meta-Vision in states of chaos (ie., in transitions). That's why he's always keeping an eye on the state changes of the pitch. Hiori's best use of it is when he carries the same vision with someone else. Reo, arguably the most versatile user of Meta-Vision, uses it in the freely changing manner of a chameleon (whilst that sounds invincible, it also means that there's no absolute weapon/formula to which he can combine his Meta-Vision, which means his Meta-Vision usage, whilst varied, will always be operating at a lower level. That's the curse of versatility.)
Rin uses it in puppeteer fashion but only sees visions that enhance his own performance, which is why his rational playstyle struggles with "bugs" (irrational plays). Niko, the antithesis of Isagi, uses Meta-Vision to maintain order. Every time he's used his vision it has always been to break up or iniate attacks in a way that doesn't break his team shape (unlike other defenders, he incorporates the team's structure into his vision and makes it hard to break down). Unlike Niko, Aiku uses it to individually thwart threats. He'll run to wherever the threat is and stop it by himself, being the complete defender that he is.
Of all these players, Sae is the ONLY ONE who can enhance both his individual performances and the team's overall ability with his vision. This man viewed the Japan u20 team as "defective tools" that weren’t any use to him, despite getting numerous chances for them and also scoring in that game. It's not an overestimation to say Sae has the vision to keep up with and create for ANY attacking player. The way he consistently saw through both Rin and Isagi's visions in that u20 match is nothing short of INSANE.
bro the second point is so crispy, Isagi too utilize his team mates but not to the point of Sae which could mean he has a better MV and rn Isagi has the best MV until we see Charles and Rin so if Sae beats him he might be the best in the U20 category yeah
@ACE_Lock yeah, Isagi definitely uses his teammates, but just like Rin and Kaiser, in playmaking terms, his teammates still have a ton to do. And I mean, look at his assists to Kunigami and Yukimiya (those dudes still had to use their absolute weapons to get a goal). Sae's range of vision was so crazy he could create both chances "that even a monkey could score" and plays so intricate in both timing and complexity only Shidou could score. That is crazy to me, especially considering he was doing all these things in a team that had 3 potential Meta-Vision users (Isagi, Rin, Niko) and he was creating for forwards who are struggling to get NEL offers where even Wanima has an offer.
I think one of the "weaknesses" (I use this lightly) of Isagi's weaknesses is that it's still very situational (works best in chaos, quick transitions, which makes it reactive). That's why he and Kaiser (another Meta-Vision user) struggled to break from Snuffy's designs. I'd say against other genius players who dictate the game flow (Rin, Sae, Snuffy etc), his MV kinda drops down a notch.
The point is that we've not really seen sae's Metavision and skills but just a few part of what he can do because he didn't even manifest thy metavision eyes in the U20 match so maybe that was coincidence or idk
Losing to Lorenzo in a 1v1 is not a bad thing. He's a New Gen 11 Defender, his on both Kaiser and Sae's level.
i am not sure if it seemed like a bad thing, but i just meant that Lorenzo stopped the best U20 striker so we can compare
is that a GOD EATER OST I HEAR? PEAK TASTE MY FRIEND. ACTUAL CINEMA
I think its not easy to compare two players that fullfill different roles in a game. Its like comparing Maldini to Busquets, or Xavi to Ronaldo Nazario
It was hard yeah, but fun none the less
Me personally o think Sae it a tactical player and a little edge over Kaiser but Kaiser puts on meta visions he might win
bro, the main thing here is that kaisers vision is on par with isagis vision, but saes vision is on another level.
Actually Isagi while having the same vision he utilizes it far better
@@ACE_Lockif you're saying isagi utilizes it far better than kaiser, i agree with you. I want you to do a "Why Isagi vs Kaiser isn't Close" video, would be really fun to watch.
Wrong because the isagi versions they fought were completely different. lol this isagi is on another level then the previous one
Been saying this for a year now, recency bias on Kaiser goes crazy
What bias, everyone tries to say sae is better.
I think sae and isagi can pull of the shot with hiori on command
Kaiser was beated by Isagi who is under Rin who hasn't even surpassed Sae yet, so yeah makes sense fr.
what makes u think Sae is above current RIn? a weaker berserk state beat Sae and we got a Rin on a whole different level
Don't just assume things
@@ACE_LockTechnically if we were to interpret that Rin is more powerful because of training,Sae wouldve also been much powerful since the u20 game cus of the same reason,so in the end we dont really know who is the better player rn since we hadnt see Sae for a long time
Imo all new gen are relative as players they all excel each other in their respective positions
yes each is the best U20 at his position that's the idea of the ideal team but among them who is the best that's the fun question.
its like comparing Noa vs Snuffy. Best striker Kaiser hands down but all around player especially playmaking Sae Itoshi
How would Kaiser lose lmao, Real Madrid (the squad where Sae got a reality check from) literally made the biggest offer ever for him
@dorw5605 cuz isagi scored 1 more goal than him in exactly 1 game. It's just the difference between attitudes Kaiser and Sae have.
SAE is a better overall player that’s a fact
@@diegostecca7319sae got a offer when he was how old 14? They knew his talent Kaiser just got know an offer so your argument is trash
@@loltroll142 an offer for the sub team kaiser is getting an offer to be a forward on the main team
@@guyhathansaintil5218 ofc a offer for the sub team when u are 14 what else
The rainbow haired Pro Player is almost grantee to be a better passer than Sae
Especially considering what he did with his eyes and ofc him being probably the best player from one of the best footballing nations in history
He was said to be the best free kicker which means insane accuracy and i think he will be better but we haven't gotten any confirmation yet
@@ACE_Lockin the video you said Kaiser was the best U-20 Striker which just isn’t true…
@@universalplayz7496 the best striker from the New Generation World XI
@@universalplayz7496 the new gen 11 are the best u20 players and kaiser the best striker among them
@@guyhathansaintil5218 that still doesn't make him the best Under 20 Striker....
All that makes him is ig the best striker among the new gen 11...
rin missed the shot as he didnt use his main leg
Rapaz, impressionante como NINGUEM leu blue lock e superestima o itoshi sae ao extremo
I like how he so casually says it’s possible to stop Kaiser cause Lorenzo did it over and over but Lorenzo is New Gen X1 level so not just anyone can stop him like have you seen his dribbling?
No hate though it’s a good video
all midfielders out talent all lone strikers
Don't forget that when Rin went into destroyer mode against Kaiser he destroyed him without even scoring it. And yes I know that Sae didn't get past Rin that easily but... if you really look at his face and his expressions. Do you really think he was trying? Kaiser struggled against Rin while Sae beat him and only lost to him barely. And I know this video is about how valuable these players are and not how they will fare against each other in a 1v1... But... Sae can win against the blue lock u-20 game with a team that wouldn't have won against blue lock. And I know it was also cause of Shidou but the only reason Sae threw the passes like that is cause he wanted to match Shidou's instinct. So it's kind of just adaptability in a way. And Kaiser is useless against Isagi in the first 3 games they played, while Sae beat Isagi and Rin with passes or dribbling. And keep in mind it was the same Isagi that only won against Rin cause of "luck". And Rin was in his berserk/destroyer mode. And they both lost easily.
Please don't use a flashing static effect as a background. It makes it really difficult to focus on the black and white manga panels you are showing.
I will be changing the background bro with the new year
PXG's Rin recently clowned both Kaiser AND Isagi in a 2v1 so I think it's safe to say that Sae outclasses Kaiser.
What makes u believe that current Rin doesn't clown Sae? i mean a weaker berserker state beat Sae before, so why are u assuming this Rin cant beat Sae?
@@ACE_Lockhow did a weaker berserker Rin beat sad tho...it was an even draw,he merely was able to get the ball away from sae because bro did not anticipate he would reach that level when he is in that state and not like Rin got the ball ahead,it was a loose ball thereafter just like you kicking a ball away from your opponent after anticipating his move due to countless loss and dribbles from him so that doesn't count as beating sae for Rin just a mere anticipation of move which I think saw was caught off guard
Sae made a mistake when he went to Spain, bcs spain is where GOATs of Midfielders belong😅
Sae wasnt even going all out in the u-20 match
Indeed they are closed
But for me Kaiser>>> sae.
1- I don't understand why people still think that Sae is better than Kaiser when Sae has literally abandoned his dream for beginning the best striker in the world. We talk about a dude who can't even play as striker in the next gen team and plus kaiser come literally for nowhere we saw that in the recent chapter
But he succeeds to be the best U20 striker in the world
Kaiser Is doing step by step what Sae was dreaming lmao
2- many continue to overhype the feat of U20 game for sae
Ok those feat are good but there were against a weak team. all the players of that match has evolved exponentially in NEL. if sae played in the NEL for sure we will be cook in same way Kaiser or Lorenzo are getting some time
3- if Kaiser played against the U20 team instead of sae
The BL Eleven would lose for sure because nobody will be able to stop the Kaiser impact.
For a team the value of Kaiser >> sae. Lorenzo has proven that because even having cook kaiser. his bid has not surpassed Kaiser's bid. it clearly that for the other clubs Kaiser>>> Lorenzo for a team. the debate between Kaiser and Sae can be the same between Hiori and barou. Hiori is literally better than barou in all domain except the physics, finishing, and leadership but for everyone Barou > hiori .in that case is easy but when its kaiser vs sae many keep saying Sae by far. in addition the difference between the debate Hiori vs barou and Kaiser vs Sae is defense he is better than Sae because of feat that he has shown in the NEL and we still don't know who has the better IQ football between these two. in conclusion I think for that debate kaiser win with (55%) >Sae (45%)
well Sae failing as a striker just means Kaiser is better as a striker, overall Sae wins man
@@ACE_Lock
I see but for me it's
really depends
Sae is better in dribbling and passing it's all
Kaiser has the fishining, physique, Speed , agility
For the football QI and defense
We still don't know
But
We can even add the ego for Kaiser
I don't see in what Sae is better overall than Kaiser
@@zerozero8540you are cooking my friend he will never reply to your comment
i'll give you one more amo for you future debate though
Everything you said id right but in front of you argument wich are pure fact backed by feat people will say "yeah but sea make the the team better while kaiser need ness as the heartbeat of bastard"thats absolute bs because isagi said himself that reason why bayern are so good is not because they are individualy skilled like in uber's system but its because kaiser is here to finish with an unstopable weapon wich create an absolute rationality wich makes everyone around him better since they all know what they have to do to win each player has a clear goal and that is litteraly the recipy of flow 😭😭....thats backed up by the fact that only 4 player are remaining out those beyern bum are kaiser ness and the 2 CB ...kaiser value is unfathomable on a team
You should do Barou vs Kunigami
i would but we need more from Kuni honestly
@@ACE_Lock after PXG tho?
@@DopeyTidepod yes will do one on them there
@@ACE_Lock nice
Its not fair to say sae has a better shooting accuracy than rin not only is it rins specialty rin used his weak foot whereas sae used his main one
yea but realistically his passing accuracy should at leasy somewhat translate to shooting
@@guyhathansaintil5218 then the same goes for rin
@@TheRayerrr not really the accuaracy sae has shown with his passes surpasses rin
That's on Rin + as he said
Ah i wanna see loki vs noah
as it stands, Noa slaps we need to see more from Loki
Rin took the ahot with his weak foot
just baised off match up i think sae in a 1v1 wins. Kaiser has no chance of defence and hell stuggle on offence if he has a hard time with isagi. Sea versatility and stats just check kasier espically cuase weve never seen a fully locked in sea
Kaiser actually never had hard time with isagi, it was Lorenzo who put em on a leash
TBH I feel the itachi vibe from sae itoshi ngl, he is freaking genius and a prodigy and also to make his brother strong he makes his brother resent him and try to devour him and in the process evolve as a player who can really be the greatest striker and might even surpass sae and in that way fulfil their dream of becoming world champions together. Correct me if I am wrong but I think they are kind of similar.
I was thinking the same thing😊
included it in my next Sae vs Lorenzo video
13:39 Wouldn't Just hitting him off Balance
Do the Trick for Sae even tho Kaiser did score a Upside Down Bicycle Kick 😅
he would shoot before sae would have time to tackle him
Bro y is Kaiser german and x do i only notice it now
bruhh
is this even debate where sae changes his goal from striker to mf where kaiser is playing as striker at same level at gen 11 stage sae just has better story like itachi/saasuke story line and kaiser is just next target for isagi delevopment
That only means kaiser is a better striker, as an overall player Sae is definitely better
@@ACE_Lock I mean I think sea is one who always calculates the best outcome where kaiser destroys every outcome in terms of overall we never his potential as sae but from what they shown sae is better over all like snuffy
if sae was better than kaiser he would’ve stayed a striker instead he realized he wasn’t good enough and became a midfielder..Kaiser is better than sae 😂
@@Spartt204 I think LAreal has the best striker and he wasn't even competition for him so he wanted to be best at something other than striker and changes whole style to be best at something rather than thinking of surpassing him
Do rin vs Shidou please
Very tempting but we kinds need to see more from both in the PXG game
Why Sae vs. Kaiser isn't close:
Sai is a midfielder
Kaiser is a striker
End of discussion
i think Sae would win because he kinda carried that match and we havent seen him after the u-20 that looked like he didnt truly try until he entered flow but he looked like he knew they were gonna win. this is my opinion kaiser could win too
Non of this actually matters because u-20 had a whole time skip training arc where everyone was improving. Look at team Manchester how they gave isagi a hard time but rin destroyed them. They growth was insane so comparing the past to the present doesnt give you points. Sae struggled agaisnt weaker versions of the main cast kaiser is fighting the at their "peak" now.
Video shouldn't be this long its pretty obvious but w vid😅
Sae was barley trying in the u20 match
I like this debate since it's more logical, I see people debating if Isagi beats Sae like Sae isn't a key player for Re Al 😭😭
but I want to point out that people still think that Sae changed to a midfielder because of his desire. I believe Sae lost his ego and dream of becoming a striker at Re Al because of the insane competition he had at that trait.
He was most likely outmatched at striker, considering Re Al is the best team overall; so it definitely had a better striker. And Sae isn't the BEST striker in the world, Noa is, so it would mean there are many other foreign players that outmatch Sae's capabilities as a striker.
And I believe Sae only wanted to be a midfielder because his dream was shattered by an overall better striker (which could be the only cause as to why he came back to Japan with a colder, disappointed look), and because Sae possesses an insane playmaking ability.
Still just an opinion though
notice how throughout the whole video, he compared a 100% kaiser(bastard muchen) to a 30% Sae.(U20 sae). Sae wins easily
Sae isn’t matured he just knows how to control his abilities and use his opponents abilities to his advantage