Tonight on 1911 Syndicate : Jake learns about gas that's not a consequence from eating Taco Bell, Joe Dawson tries to teach the boys trigonometry, and Finn eats everyone's DOPE books..... because he can...
The easiest way to learn long range shooting believe it or not is with a 22lr. Nice thing is you can learn long range shooting at shorter ranges. A 22 at 200 has roughly the same corrections as a 6.5 at 800-900 yards. And you don’t go broke practicing.
Joe, since I know you’ll see this (you can resist), I appreciate you. You have great synergy with these guys. At first, I wasn’t a huge 1911S fan, but this channel has gotten better and better and they’ve truly hit their stride. All around amazing video, as per usual.
It was a real treat (I used a thesaurus to find another word with negative results) seeing Joe Dawson on this one. The knowledge that he can convey as an instructor is second to none. Also, “…organically show you some thoughts and observations along the way” …….”fuck.” I feel you, brothers.
seeing @bruiserindustriesllc ‘s communication and teaching styles on this video and the other ones with y’all + Jim’s goon life are what convinced me to start saving up for a class 6:31
My Vote is for the Gas Gun: AR15/AR10. If you need a bigger cartridge then go bolt. In my experience seeing your shot is more of a recoil vs gun weight thing. Being able to stay focused on target then a quick follow up is an advantage of the gas gun. Most of the time, you can replace worn out AR parts yourself.
Agreed. When you add the factor of time into the equation more, semi autos show their strength. I think Tactical Rifleman has an old video showing this.
This was great. I could listen to Joe for hours. Thought-provoking and educational discussion. I love my Seekins HIT. It's my first real long range gun. I like the versatility and ability to switch between 6.5 CM and .308. I've felt tempted to pick up a decent AR-10 for a while. It comes in waves, but every time, I'm glad I went with the bolt gun to really hone fundamentals.
Thanks a lot… I’m in the middle of building a precision gas gun and now I have to build a bolt gun too. You guys just cost me a lot of money with this video..
Good talk. I’m shooting between gas gun and bolt all the time in the past 2 years. It makes more sense to me now hearing that gas gun can shoot pretty good group similar to bolt gun, but it requires more from shooter to do so.
308 is very forgiving in your loads for accuracy nodes. You may run into problems if you're running the same loads between two different rifles though. The two projectiles I've had the best results with at range have been 155 grain Scenars loaded to 3k fps, and 168 grain TMKs loaded to about 2750. The 168s generally hold well til about 950-1k. I'd recommend you look at .243 Win or 6mm Creedmoor for reloading, though (you can neck down the .308 to a .243 Win if you already have 308 brass) You'll have MUCH less drop, lower recoil, and your rounds hang on to more energy at range. You'll find they perform better than .264/6.5mm rounds, too. Especially when you start getting up to 1-7.5 to 1-8 twist barrels moving 103-115gr projectiles. Your flight time is shorter, and your windage adjustment will be smaller too. 6mm projectiles in closer ranges actually perform very well ballistically, too. I run 100 grain soft points in my .243 AR10 as a general purpose round, and with proper shot placement, it's anchored everything I've ever hit with it.
Finally got around to watching this. Good stuff! I like how Joe sounds like he can and wants to really get into the weeds on some topics, but then backs off and keeps it’s simple. Can only imagine the info that would be covered in a full course. Thanks guys!
Don’t own a Bolt Gun yet but I’m looking at the Desert Tech SRS M2 in 6.5 Creedmoor. 2024 is like the year I pull the trigger on that. Great Content as usual guys . Thanks
Great video! I've been shooting long range for about 3 years now, and just recently started getting into PRS. The bolt gun has every advantage except for faster fire rate/follow up shots and higher capacity. The bolt gun is more accurate, typically gets higher velocity, is easier to learn on, and is typically more reliable since there's less moving parts. Decide the philosophy of use of that gun, and then build around that.
The learning curve on gas guns is definitely higher and the velocity cost is real, otherwise I would dispute some of that. For about 1.8k with scope and brass I managed to build a .3 minute (5 shot) .284WIN in an AR 308 so frame. My dad's ultra custom bolt was more than double and shoots the same. It was harder for me to get there (in fairness he's got a tuner too), but I did figure it out.
I'm not too far into this video, but I like seeing you learn long range target shooting, as I have no experience with it, & this is going to be educational
Great video. I love the conversation about accuracy and how the weak link is the shooter. Most modern firearms are extremely accurate and any weak link is typically the shooter. The shooter affects the accuracy. I think starting any long range shooting on a bolt action is a great way to start.
Hi guys! I own a M24 that has been seriously upgraded(cryogenic bull barrel, trigger, bolt, McMillan M4 stock, Vortex 6-24 X 50 scope and it only eats 168gn Sierra matchking BTH. very very accurate at 1000. However, My .308 AR can be almost as accurate. Closer in its AS accurate. Great content as usual. The best way to learn long range shooting is Marine Corps boot camp! ☺️☺️
Have a 6ARC and one of the best things I've done to keep from blowing through ammo due to frustration is manually load one round at a time into the chamber. Having an ambi lower helps to smooth out my movements when doing that.
Another thing to think about is the body mechanics that the AR pattern will not adapt to. The bolt gun with a Fiberglass stock can be upgraded with a 4 way adustable cheekrest to allow the shooters eye to be perfectly aligned with the scope withouting having to crank your head around the buffer tube. Additionally: Savage makes left-handed Match rifles that have been proven to shoot under 1 moa.
These days I shoot my .223 AR-15A2 in NRA governed Long Range Competition. This is iron sight prone sling supported competition and although I am an American High Power Rifleman Award Winner in Long-Range I can barely produce 94% scores with the AR. But I like this sort of shooting because it inspires marksmanship development like no other competition. At any rate, all novice shooters here would be smart to try out this competition as it will demand you learn everything important to good shooting, which you can use in less demanding shooting games to win in those games.
Interesting thoughts. I thought I learned long range precision faster when I went to a gas gun. My friend's 6.5 CM just felt like easy mode. When I made my own long range gas gun, I had to figure out why it wasn't as easy. Simple things like just the setup of the gun (length of pull, scope height, etc) I learned are REALLY important to getting a repeatable shooting setup.
To put things into perspective, take the info in this video and times it by fifty, add in some constructive shaming and dick jokes and that's what taking one of Joe's classes is like.
I guess that the lock time in a semiautomatic is then noticeably longer than a bolt action rifle... In reading about some very special sniper rifles, they actually have electronic firing system, so that there is only microseconds of delay from trigger to primer fire, and, I imagine, there is zero trigger "break", unless they added it in for feedback, but any "feedback" before the bullet leaves the barrel is, potentially, "bad"... Interesting also about maintaining the sight picture on the bolt action, being able to see the "splash", probably a very good thing in action, even if your spotter is calling the shots.
2 things, the hangaurd needs to be attached with more than a barrel nut. And the shooter needs to understand how lock time and movement take advantage of your fundamentals.
Good video thanks 👍🏻 both rifle systems have their own uses but I'll take an AR 10 or 15 over a bolt only because you can engage multiple targets quicker
MY gas gun is set up perfect. 1/4 " 3 shot group @ 100yds with factory Hornady match Nemo XO in 6.5CM. I was a bolt gun guy untill a freind put me on th them. Now I have Two Nemo, LWRC REPER
Its interesting to hear about having a hard time seeing the flight/trace/impact of the gas gun being worse than the bolt gun. I think a big part of that is the equipment. I have light ARs that are indeed hard to keep the target in the scope and I have bolt guns with the same problem due to weight, caliber and recoil control such as a muzzle brake. My .223 Accurized AR though doenst come off target any more than my 6GT bolt gun. I understand the caliber difference there, but I guarantee if you put my GA PPR in 6GT next to Robs Saint, also in 6GT, neither is coming off the target at all as long as the support is comparable. The only real difference I personally see is the bolt gun is a bit more stable in some positions, mostly when using a center bag on a wall or barricade.
Would actually love to see y'all do something with LunkersTV and/or Lojo Fishing! Not sure how y'all could weave that together, but they are both hunters and vets. Lunkers was a sniper, that's where the thought blossomed from, given the topic of the video, but Lunkers and Lojo I feel like would mesh with y'all pretty well personality-wise. And cross exposure opens up the whole Googan Squad Audience.
I would be very surprised if Syndicate didn’t find Lunkers very annoying. These guys are very different in personality. I don’t see the mesh well at all myself.
@@IvIidnight I will admit I’m not up to speed on lunkers only saw a couple videos. However he is obnoxious and I watched two videos where he was giving shooting instruction as well as shooting and it was a hot mess. It definitely was not the stuff of snipers.
I think the biggest difference between gas and bolt is price. The cost of a gas gun to match the precision of a bolt gun is a lot. That being said tho it’s super cool to see a gun keep up with bolt guns then run it up close like a battle rifle.
Free-floated ARs have some of the highest accuracy potential out there. The problem with ARs isn't that they aren't accurate, if they're built right. Its that you're limited to a mini action... or short action cartridge, if you go with the AR10. 6.5 Creedmoor, as much as I absolutely loathe the round because its a slower .260 Remington... is a fantastic starting point for anyone wanting an off the shelf "long range" AR10. Personally, I'd recommend stepping down to 6mm Creedmoor if you reload, or .243 Winchester if you don't. The 6mm projectiles will give you much better results, especially in the 103-115 grain range of projectiles. Barrel length is key, though. If you want to step out past 1k, you'll need to start looking at 24" barrels. Preferably stainless, and preferably HBAR or heavier. X-Caliber will turn you a 28" barrel, in stainless steel, chambered in whichever round you want. Itll run you around $450-600+ depending on what profile, length and finish you want. When you start moving into longer action cartridges, though, you're able to put WAY more energy down range. Thats where your ARs are going to fall flat. Side note on recoil, a 6mm CM/.243 win AR10 tuned properly will give you such little recoil that you can actively watch your vapor trail through the recoil impulse if you're doing your part as a shooter.
An AR15 with a longer barrel (24"+) chambered in 6mm ARC will give you super low recoil, but you'll really need to invest in your bolt and extractor to handle the chamber pressures you'd load to in a bolt gun. A .243 Win will give you better results for your budget, but if money isn't an option for you, build a longer barrel 6ARC, and stay the hell away from carbon fiber barrels.
Im have only done a limited amount of long range shooting (mainly bc im broke 😂) but i do a lot of hunting. I switched over to gas guns this year mainly due to the fact that my favorite hunting spot is in the largest population of grizzlies in the lower 48, and i want quick shots in case i get charged. What im trying to say is while this bolt vs gas gun debate can go either way for precision bench shooting, in practical scenarios gas guns win out every time.
Being a lefty myself, I’ve never bought a left handed firearm because I don’t want to be limited on resale options. Even though I’ve never sold any of them. Plus my son is right handed. I feel as if most lefties are kinda forced to be ambidextrous throughout life.
Sold my bolt and dedicated my training to the AR10 platform. For end of times skills. One long gun one pistol situation. Sport is fun but scenarios seem more interesting to me. Especially in this day and age.
The 'scenarios' you mentioned is where semi autos (AR10s) have the advantage. For extra long range, competition, or large calibers bolts do have a place. The advantage of putting accurate rounds down range fast is a significant advantage.
Gassers can be almost as precise as bolt guns to the point it’s largely irrelevant. But there’s some things about gas guns that cause problems with precision once you get out of the prone, the biggest thing is lock time. The significantly longer lock time means more time from when the hammer is released and the powder is ignited. This is the big reason in the PRS and sniper community you don’t see gassers replacing bolts except for closer in stuff, there’s also the issue of what calibers you can get in gassers.
Adjustable gas block on my side-charge AR-10 in 6.5 Creed. Close the valve, cycle with the side charger, and it is, for all intents, a bolt gun. Open it, it's an AR again. Mic drop.....
Lol, you weren’t listening to the biggest problem with a gas time. The trigger design mean more movement and longer lock time. Even if you’re cycling it yourself it’s still going to be a problem.
Bolt guns have been more accurate historically than semi guns but the advancement in semi guns is changing that it has not completely caught up at this time
Yeah, the shooter definitely has to be aware of all their physical inputs into the gas gun to make sure they're being CONSISTANT every shot. It all comes down to fundamentals. Learn proper trigger manipulation, breathing techniques, stable platform, sight picture. lots of things. You can DEFINITELY have a super accurate and consistent gas gun, you as a shooter need to practice and get better. The gun 90% isn't the problem.
"if you lock that gun in a video"...but nobody is a "vise", and this trigger hammer firing pin ignition sequence takes time, and that time is more important, the less "locked down" the rifle is...my latest reading is that mil spec AR15 lock time is 10-12 milliseconds, compared to about 3 ms for a decent Bolt action, and about 1/10 ms for electronic ignition... Anyway, just things to know about...
Amazing video every precision shooter (and wanna be, like me) needs to hear. *PAY FOR TRAINING ABOVE ANYTHING!!* Id guess 99% of people buy or build a gas gun and never get professional instruction. I wrote a list of every piece of my SPR build, along w weight of each part and it's price....on the bottom of that parts/price list is the precision carbine course I am going to take once it is built. GET TRAINING!!
This question has nothing to do with gas vs bolt action rifles. On the "other hand"...if you purchase a "middle of the road" or even a "cheapie" 1911 Is it worth the expense of a remodeling? Now I'm talking real cheap....take an RIA (Rock Island Armory) and send it to Les Bear or Kimber, Wilson Combat or highend gunsmith you may know that I don't. Or it might be a nice project for ya'll to take on for the channel. Just a thought.😊
What, no review of the Mark 9-Kilo Mallegator? I mean, if you’re wanting to talk about the goodest weapon platform in the video 😜 (I love hen creators bring their pets, especially doggos, into their videos)
@bruiserindustriesllc I think they're better than the LMT and seekins that were mentioned. My sr25 is more accurate and a softer shooter than my MARS H. I personally haven't handled a AR10 that's better
@@fairmont706 and I’m glad you have a good one. I see them almost every class do nothing worth more than what their retail should be while being very proprietary with lack luster customer service after the sale. If it’s what floats your boat and you get good performance out of it. That is bad ass and I wish you years of good use. I won’t push people to spend KAC money over other things on the market. It’s a inflated demand based pricing off nothing but limited supply and hype. There is a reason and lots of documentation why almost nobody runs sr25’s anymore and tier 1 units went elsewhere.
The majority of the 2A community CAN'T shoot more accurately than the barrel/gun is capable of Edit: well im about halfway through and Finn just said the same thing. Ill wait until the end before commenting next time
6 grand? Lmao. A good shooter can easily take a $500 rifle like a howa 1500, savage 110, tika t3 lite, etc and a $300 swfa scope and outperform most anyone with a $6k set up. You cant buy ability, but you can smear the difference a little... One of my fondest memories as a kid was outshooting a dude with an accuracy intl with a jld ptr91 with the goofy 4x german hensoldt scope. I'll never forget that.
The “legally justified” clause is such bullshit. Like okay who decides that pre trial? Does that just mean they have the right to say “yep, you’re not gonna win this case. You’re on your own”?
Bolt guns are just The Best for long distances but Gas guns are better than you think. For diatances at 800yards Gas guns will work, but you gotta be good.
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate : Jake learns about gas that's not a consequence from eating Taco Bell, Joe Dawson tries to teach the boys trigonometry, and Finn eats everyone's DOPE books..... because he can...
Lol
Im just glad an early 20 something supposed woman is trying to sell me "gwardio" products before this clip
TH-cam asked me to rate this video and why. Five stars for “heartwarming” I gave it.
The easiest way to learn long range shooting believe it or not is with a 22lr. Nice thing is you can learn long range shooting at shorter ranges. A 22 at 200 has roughly the same corrections as a 6.5 at 800-900 yards. And you don’t go broke practicing.
"Miss Different." Secret of life, right there. Best, most condensed version of Einstein's Definition of Insanity I have come across thus far.
New to the channel. I just love the honesty of “idk wtf I’m doing, I don’t know long range shooting.” Ok I’m subscribing. 👍
Joe, since I know you’ll see this (you can resist), I appreciate you. You have great synergy with these guys. At first, I wasn’t a huge 1911S fan, but this channel has gotten better and better and they’ve truly hit their stride. All around amazing video, as per usual.
It was a real treat (I used a thesaurus to find another word with negative results) seeing Joe Dawson on this one. The knowledge that he can convey as an instructor is second to none.
Also, “…organically show you some thoughts and observations along the way”
…….”fuck.”
I feel you, brothers.
seeing @bruiserindustriesllc ‘s communication and teaching styles on this video and the other ones with y’all + Jim’s goon life are what convinced me to start saving up for a class 6:31
Money well spent and the knowledge and instruction is top notch sir
The definitive answer is both. Thanks for the great video.
My Vote is for the Gas Gun: AR15/AR10. If you need a bigger cartridge then go bolt. In my experience seeing your shot is more of a recoil vs gun weight thing. Being able to stay focused on target then a quick follow up is an advantage of the gas gun. Most of the time, you can replace worn out AR parts yourself.
Agreed. When you add the factor of time into the equation more, semi autos show their strength. I think Tactical Rifleman has an old video showing this.
Im thrilled bruiser is back !!
This was great. I could listen to Joe for hours. Thought-provoking and educational discussion. I love my Seekins HIT. It's my first real long range gun. I like the versatility and ability to switch between 6.5 CM and .308. I've felt tempted to pick up a decent AR-10 for a while. It comes in waves, but every time, I'm glad I went with the bolt gun to really hone fundamentals.
Thanks a lot… I’m in the middle of building a precision gas gun and now I have to build a bolt gun too. You guys just cost me a lot of money with this video..
Good talk. I’m shooting between gas gun and bolt all the time in the past 2 years. It makes more sense to me now hearing that gas gun can shoot pretty good group similar to bolt gun, but it requires more from shooter to do so.
+100 RePect, brutally honest, as if nothing was cut during editing, yall show the importance of practice/zeroing 👌
Love the channel guys! Very informative video. Well done. Just FYI…Left hand Tikka T3x TAC A1’s are readily available in 6.5 CM and .308.
Solid info gentlemen. Thanks again. I heading down the reloading 308 for bolt and gas gun rabbit hole.
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308 is very forgiving in your loads for accuracy nodes. You may run into problems if you're running the same loads between two different rifles though.
The two projectiles I've had the best results with at range have been 155 grain Scenars loaded to 3k fps, and 168 grain TMKs loaded to about 2750. The 168s generally hold well til about 950-1k.
I'd recommend you look at .243 Win or 6mm Creedmoor for reloading, though (you can neck down the .308 to a .243 Win if you already have 308 brass)
You'll have MUCH less drop, lower recoil, and your rounds hang on to more energy at range. You'll find they perform better than .264/6.5mm rounds, too. Especially when you start getting up to 1-7.5 to 1-8 twist barrels moving 103-115gr projectiles.
Your flight time is shorter, and your windage adjustment will be smaller too.
6mm projectiles in closer ranges actually perform very well ballistically, too. I run 100 grain soft points in my .243 AR10 as a general purpose round, and with proper shot placement, it's anchored everything I've ever hit with it.
@@BuckF0eJiden Appreciate the info man. Cheers
Finally got around to watching this. Good stuff! I like how Joe sounds like he can and wants to really get into the weeds on some topics, but then backs off and keeps it’s simple. Can only imagine the info that would be covered in a full course. Thanks guys!
Don’t own a Bolt Gun yet but I’m looking at the Desert Tech SRS M2 in 6.5 Creedmoor. 2024 is like the year I pull the trigger on that. Great Content as usual guys . Thanks
Great video! I've been shooting long range for about 3 years now, and just recently started getting into PRS. The bolt gun has every advantage except for faster fire rate/follow up shots and higher capacity. The bolt gun is more accurate, typically gets higher velocity, is easier to learn on, and is typically more reliable since there's less moving parts. Decide the philosophy of use of that gun, and then build around that.
The learning curve on gas guns is definitely higher and the velocity cost is real, otherwise I would dispute some of that. For about 1.8k with scope and brass I managed to build a .3 minute (5 shot) .284WIN in an AR 308 so frame. My dad's ultra custom bolt was more than double and shoots the same. It was harder for me to get there (in fairness he's got a tuner too), but I did figure it out.
I'm not too far into this video, but I like seeing you learn long range target shooting, as I have no experience with it, & this is going to be educational
Thank you sir, we have zero instruction on LR stuff but had a great time learning from Joe and learning a new skill 👊🏼
Great video. I love the conversation about accuracy and how the weak link is the shooter. Most modern firearms are extremely accurate and any weak link is typically the shooter. The shooter affects the accuracy.
I think starting any long range shooting on a bolt action is a great way to start.
Again...just wow. I like the stuff you are doing.
Greetings from Germany
Thank you good sir for the kind words and hello to Germany. (From the big German standing next to the red head Irishman in the video)😂
Hi guys! I own a M24 that has been seriously upgraded(cryogenic bull barrel, trigger, bolt, McMillan M4 stock, Vortex 6-24 X 50 scope and it only eats 168gn Sierra matchking BTH. very very accurate at 1000. However, My .308 AR can be almost as accurate. Closer in its AS accurate. Great content as usual. The best way to learn long range shooting is Marine Corps boot camp! ☺️☺️
Have a 6ARC and one of the best things I've done to keep from blowing through ammo due to frustration is manually load one round at a time into the chamber. Having an ambi lower helps to smooth out my movements when doing that.
Lol. Why not get something chambered in your price range ?
When did he mention price/cost? You misread his post....dummy@@jayblemsin4226
🙋♂️ Bolt 30.06 shooter here. Remington 770 Tack driver
Another thing to think about is the body mechanics that the AR pattern will not adapt to. The bolt gun with a Fiberglass stock can be upgraded with a 4 way adustable cheekrest to allow the shooters eye to be perfectly aligned with the scope withouting having to crank your head around the buffer tube.
Additionally: Savage makes left-handed Match rifles that have been proven to shoot under 1 moa.
These days I shoot my .223 AR-15A2 in NRA governed Long Range Competition. This is iron sight prone sling supported competition and although I am an American High Power Rifleman Award Winner in Long-Range I can barely produce 94% scores with the AR. But I like this sort of shooting because it inspires marksmanship development like no other competition. At any rate, all novice shooters here would be smart to try out this competition as it will demand you learn everything important to good shooting, which you can use in less demanding shooting games to win in those games.
Savage 110 makes a decent lefty for someone who doesn't know if they want to really get into the precision game.
Thank you.
Interesting thoughts. I thought I learned long range precision faster when I went to a gas gun. My friend's 6.5 CM just felt like easy mode. When I made my own long range gas gun, I had to figure out why it wasn't as easy. Simple things like just the setup of the gun (length of pull, scope height, etc) I learned are REALLY important to getting a repeatable shooting setup.
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To put things into perspective, take the info in this video and times it by fifty, add in some constructive shaming and dick jokes and that's what taking one of Joe's classes is like.
Here you go Jake, Tikka T3x TAC A1 LH .308 Win 24" Left handed bolt gun at Eurooptic .
I guess that the lock time in a semiautomatic is then noticeably longer than a bolt action rifle... In reading about some very special sniper rifles, they actually have electronic firing system, so that there is only microseconds of delay from trigger to primer fire, and, I imagine, there is zero trigger "break", unless they added it in for feedback, but any "feedback" before the bullet leaves the barrel is, potentially, "bad"...
Interesting also about maintaining the sight picture on the bolt action, being able to see the "splash", probably a very good thing in action, even if your spotter is calling the shots.
2 things, the hangaurd needs to be attached with more than a barrel nut. And the shooter needs to understand how lock time and movement take advantage of your fundamentals.
Good informative video
Good video thanks 👍🏻 both rifle systems have their own uses but I'll take an AR 10 or 15 over a bolt only because you can engage multiple targets quicker
Ngl all my attention went to the puppers when he was on screen
MY gas gun is set up perfect. 1/4 " 3 shot group @ 100yds with factory Hornady match Nemo XO in 6.5CM. I was a bolt gun guy untill a freind put me on th them. Now I have Two Nemo, LWRC REPER
I only do AR-15's, or DPMS-308's, so cheap and easy to build, and configure
Its interesting to hear about having a hard time seeing the flight/trace/impact of the gas gun being worse than the bolt gun. I think a big part of that is the equipment. I have light ARs that are indeed hard to keep the target in the scope and I have bolt guns with the same problem due to weight, caliber and recoil control such as a muzzle brake. My .223 Accurized AR though doenst come off target any more than my 6GT bolt gun. I understand the caliber difference there, but I guarantee if you put my GA PPR in 6GT next to Robs Saint, also in 6GT, neither is coming off the target at all as long as the support is comparable. The only real difference I personally see is the bolt gun is a bit more stable in some positions, mostly when using a center bag on a wall or barricade.
Would actually love to see y'all do something with LunkersTV and/or Lojo Fishing! Not sure how y'all could weave that together, but they are both hunters and vets. Lunkers was a sniper, that's where the thought blossomed from, given the topic of the video, but Lunkers and Lojo I feel like would mesh with y'all pretty well personality-wise. And cross exposure opens up the whole Googan Squad Audience.
I would be very surprised if Syndicate didn’t find Lunkers very annoying. These guys are very different in personality. I don’t see the mesh well at all myself.
Yeah… Lunkers is terrible and just simply not a good shooter. No way they’d get along.
@@deanrickvalsky7586 Fair enough.
@@Christopher-qj7km Really? Guy who was a sniper is a terrible shot? Good to know! Must've missed that somehow...
@@IvIidnight I will admit I’m not up to speed on lunkers only saw a couple videos. However he is obnoxious and I watched two videos where he was giving shooting instruction as well as shooting and it was a hot mess. It definitely was not the stuff of snipers.
I think the biggest difference between gas and bolt is price. The cost of a gas gun to match the precision of a bolt gun is a lot. That being said tho it’s super cool to see a gun keep up with bolt guns then run it up close like a battle rifle.
Standard algorithm buster to crush the Ai overlords
I wonder about the Geissele MRGG-S in 6.5 Creedmoor that SOCOM just got a contract for 🤔
It literally all comes down to preference
Guy loves his seekens.
Im sure its a phenomenal gun
Free-floated ARs have some of the highest accuracy potential out there. The problem with ARs isn't that they aren't accurate, if they're built right. Its that you're limited to a mini action... or short action cartridge, if you go with the AR10.
6.5 Creedmoor, as much as I absolutely loathe the round because its a slower .260 Remington... is a fantastic starting point for anyone wanting an off the shelf "long range" AR10.
Personally, I'd recommend stepping down to 6mm Creedmoor if you reload, or .243 Winchester if you don't. The 6mm projectiles will give you much better results, especially in the 103-115 grain range of projectiles. Barrel length is key, though. If you want to step out past 1k, you'll need to start looking at 24" barrels. Preferably stainless, and preferably HBAR or heavier.
X-Caliber will turn you a 28" barrel, in stainless steel, chambered in whichever round you want. Itll run you around $450-600+ depending on what profile, length and finish you want.
When you start moving into longer action cartridges, though, you're able to put WAY more energy down range. Thats where your ARs are going to fall flat.
Side note on recoil, a 6mm CM/.243 win AR10 tuned properly will give you such little recoil that you can actively watch your vapor trail through the recoil impulse if you're doing your part as a shooter.
An AR15 with a longer barrel (24"+) chambered in 6mm ARC will give you super low recoil, but you'll really need to invest in your bolt and extractor to handle the chamber pressures you'd load to in a bolt gun. A .243 Win will give you better results for your budget, but if money isn't an option for you, build a longer barrel 6ARC, and stay the hell away from carbon fiber barrels.
Im have only done a limited amount of long range shooting (mainly bc im broke 😂) but i do a lot of hunting. I switched over to gas guns this year mainly due to the fact that my favorite hunting spot is in the largest population of grizzlies in the lower 48, and i want quick shots in case i get charged. What im trying to say is while this bolt vs gas gun debate can go either way for precision bench shooting, in practical scenarios gas guns win out every time.
Being a lefty myself, I’ve never bought a left handed firearm because I don’t want to be limited on resale options. Even though I’ve never sold any of them. Plus my son is right handed. I feel as if most lefties are kinda forced to be ambidextrous throughout life.
Fair enough 👍🏻
Unless you want or need a magnum caliber, I (an average guy guy) would get a semi-auto .308. Budget baller setup: Tikka T3 .300 wsm and Sig 716i. 308
Sold my bolt and dedicated my training to the AR10 platform. For end of times skills. One long gun one pistol situation. Sport is fun but scenarios seem more interesting to me. Especially in this day and age.
The 'scenarios' you mentioned is where semi autos (AR10s) have the advantage. For extra long range, competition, or large calibers bolts do have a place. The advantage of putting accurate rounds down range fast is a significant advantage.
Gassers can be almost as precise as bolt guns to the point it’s largely irrelevant. But there’s some things about gas guns that cause problems with precision once you get out of the prone, the biggest thing is lock time. The significantly longer lock time means more time from when the hammer is released and the powder is ignited. This is the big reason in the PRS and sniper community you don’t see gassers replacing bolts except for closer in stuff, there’s also the issue of what calibers you can get in gassers.
joe just said give me like .2 right... gasp
Adjustable gas block on my side-charge AR-10 in 6.5 Creed. Close the valve, cycle with the side charger, and it is, for all intents, a bolt gun. Open it, it's an AR again. Mic drop.....
Lol, you weren’t listening to the biggest problem with a gas time. The trigger design mean more movement and longer lock time. Even if you’re cycling it yourself it’s still going to be a problem.
@@chrisjosekuehl I do not understand your comment. Gas time? There is no gas. Trigger is a high-end 2-stage. What am I missing?
Bolt guns have been more accurate historically than semi guns but the advancement in semi guns is changing that it has not completely caught up at this time
Yeah, the shooter definitely has to be aware of all their physical inputs into the gas gun to make sure they're being CONSISTANT every shot. It all comes down to fundamentals. Learn proper trigger manipulation, breathing techniques, stable platform, sight picture. lots of things.
You can DEFINITELY have a super accurate and consistent gas gun, you as a shooter need to practice and get better. The gun 90% isn't the problem.
"if you lock that gun in a video"...but nobody is a "vise", and this trigger hammer firing pin ignition sequence takes time, and that time is more important, the less "locked down" the rifle is...my latest reading is that mil spec AR15 lock time is 10-12 milliseconds, compared to about 3 ms for a decent Bolt action, and about 1/10 ms for electronic ignition... Anyway, just things to know about...
I need more 2011 reviews. MPA ds9, Oracle 2311, etc 😃
Working on em
Check out the apollo 11. It's all I could afford so it's the only one I've shot lol
Amazing video every precision shooter (and wanna be, like me) needs to hear.
*PAY FOR TRAINING ABOVE ANYTHING!!*
Id guess 99% of people buy or build a gas gun and never get professional instruction.
I wrote a list of every piece of my SPR build, along w weight of each part and it's price....on the bottom of that parts/price list is the precision carbine course I am going to take once it is built.
GET TRAINING!!
This question has nothing to do with gas vs bolt action rifles. On the "other hand"...if you purchase a "middle of the road" or even a "cheapie" 1911
Is it worth the expense of a remodeling? Now I'm talking real cheap....take an RIA (Rock Island Armory) and send it to Les Bear or Kimber, Wilson Combat or highend gunsmith you may know that I don't. Or it might be a nice project for ya'll to take on for the channel. Just a thought.😊
how about 9mm vs .40?
What, no review of the Mark 9-Kilo Mallegator? I mean, if you’re wanting to talk about the goodest weapon platform in the video 😜 (I love hen creators bring their pets, especially doggos, into their videos)
Finn has a few Ted talks about living and teaching a ginger😂
@@BrianKern2121It's hard teaching someone with no soul
Finn has an honorary doctorate from a major university. He charges me for appearances
Gas gun, expensive AF if you cant control yourself 😂
I'd love to know where he's getting sr25's for 3500-4k lol
Uh nobody is, but I don’t think they are the best ar10
@bruiserindustriesllc I think they're better than the LMT and seekins that were mentioned. My sr25 is more accurate and a softer shooter than my MARS H. I personally haven't handled a AR10 that's better
@@fairmont706 and I’m glad you have a good one. I see them almost every class do nothing worth more than what their retail should be while being very proprietary with lack luster customer service after the sale. If it’s what floats your boat and you get good performance out of it. That is bad ass and I wish you years of good use. I won’t push people to spend KAC money over other things on the market. It’s a inflated demand based pricing off nothing but limited supply and hype. There is a reason and lots of documentation why almost nobody runs sr25’s anymore and tier 1 units went elsewhere.
The majority of the 2A community CAN'T shoot more accurately than the barrel/gun is capable of
Edit: well im about halfway through and Finn just said the same thing. Ill wait until the end before commenting next time
Finn can outshoot most humans
Did they put the mic on the dog? what going on with the breathing lol
When they run they breath hard. Same with humans
.45 vs 9mm rifle? Are you boys bored?
Saw the whole video and all I heard was Gas Gun COPE. Lmao, no its not just as Good.
Stop babying him!!!
6 grand? Lmao.
A good shooter can easily take a $500 rifle like a howa 1500, savage 110, tika t3 lite, etc and a $300 swfa scope and outperform most anyone with a $6k set up. You cant buy ability, but you can smear the difference a little...
One of my fondest memories as a kid was outshooting a dude with an accuracy intl with a jld ptr91 with the goofy 4x german hensoldt scope.
I'll never forget that.
This Joe guy is talking out his ass...Also what's the best LPVO for my bolt gun?
He's a sniper with years of real world experience...
The “legally justified” clause is such bullshit. Like okay who decides that pre trial? Does that just mean they have the right to say “yep, you’re not gonna win this case. You’re on your own”?
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Bolt guns are just The Best for long distances but Gas guns are better than you think. For diatances at 800yards Gas guns will work, but you gotta be good.
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Is this science?
We are science
Get that mag off the floor…
Money don’t make a shooter
Yes
@@OFFICIALUNDI’m a virgin, please take me.
@@OFFICIALUNDalso, 40 years old is not “OLDER”. Im definitely offended by this comment and wish to speak to your supervisor please.