@@terryo5672electric cars have over 150 years of innovations behind them. There is actually way more electric motors in this world than all ICE ever made.
@@carholic-sz3qv not sure the electric motor has innovated much - Magnetic coil + electricity = rotary motion. It’s always been batteries that received the innovation, unless like electric trains you can have OH power.
Absolutely brilliant Pete, finally someone standing up for the diesel engine, I bought a 2 year old Ford Focus in late 2014, (my first diesel car) best decision I’ve made in buying a car, it was the £20 a year tax that made it for me, then I realised very quickly that my fuel bill had halved while still doing the same mileage. (my previous car was a 1.6 petrol focus) Towing our caravan is a breeze, so much easier than a petrol. Nearly 9 years later I still have said car and have had very little go wrong with it, just over 130.000 on the clock 50ish mpg around the town and still going strong, what more could you want, personally I wouldn’t have any other vehicle but a diesel powered one.
Towing any caravan with a Focus is downright dangerous. Smallish front drive car should not tow anything. But yes when in England I saw this practice,, I doubt Ford would ever condone it. I doubt an insurer would either when involved in an accident.
@@ldnwholesale8552 what are you on about?? Ford focus isn’t a small car, medium sized that has a 1500kg kerb weight and has a 1280kg towing capacity as stated on V5, and with full comprehensive insurance.
@@ldnwholesale8552easy to consider a Focus a smallish car, but not long ago it would have been considered large, and at 1500kg, a similar weight to a lot of 4WDs. And with the ABS, stability control etc, they can be very capable towing.
Had the same experience during trade training in the Army. We all laughed at our diesel instructor when he explained how diesel’s were superior to petrol. Been driving BMW diesel’s for years!
@@simongibbs3936basically, all of you are the worst and nastiest thing that happened for car culture on this planet. You don't understand squat about driving, driving pleasure, driving involvement and engagement and all of you are ignorant enough(in more ways than it should) about why diesel cars are awful for our society; but heey, as long as you got 40-50 miles more per tank, then scr.ew the pollution, scr.ew the cancer giving diesel noxes and fumes, scr.ew the driving pleasure. The important is to get a slightly higher mileage with the same amount of money, right?(in complete disregard with the higher purchasing costs and higher maintenance costs... basically, diesel owners are the shining bright lights of our society.., unfortunately for them, no one knows it😢.. and that's too bad because they could have led us all into our promised future) #suchashame, not!
@@whocares264 EV's are the second biggest con perpetrated on mankind after religion. Nowhere near as green as the fucking woke climate nazis would have you believe.
I have owned three diesel cars and own one now. It is a Peugeot 308 and does up to seventy miles to the gallon. I drive up to Peterborough from Portsmouth and back again and still have half a tank of fuel, when I get back. It's a shame that the manufactures decided to cheat on emissions as I bought this car in 2014 as a main dealer demonstrator with about 4000 miles on the clock and it has now done about 95,000. The engine is a good as the day I bought it.
1000% wrong. Diesels are the worst type of engine every invented from the noxes pollution pov. Basically, diesel fumes kills us faster and uglier than gas fumes does..and this is not an opinion, it is science. Also, uneducated ppl used diesel powered cars in town.. because, yeah, why not?, because that's why diesels have been invented, to sit in day to day traffic and give lung cancer to children. GOD forbid any driver should use them as per intended purpose, which was, low rpm, long distance, basically, the way in which a diesel engine has its best efficiency. Not to worry diesel lovers, you can(and already are) atone for your sins by purchasing electric cars... which, of course, as we all know, will save the planet... saving it by moving the pollution and noxes from under our noses to other places on this earth. #we are saved, now and forever!, praised the diesel and ev lord and saviour and bless all those who purchased those type of cars. The fact that ignorance is bliss has never ever been more reprezentative for any society in history....basically, we, as a specie, become dvm.ber and dvm.ber with each generation.. and soon, we will all live in an idiocracy. p. s. and you are correct, politicians are to be blamed... but not for taking away your diesel, no.., they are to be blamed for making you a dummie who does not understand squat from the world in which he lives; I salute you for that.. as is probably great for you.. it must be, considering the ignorance lvl.
@@davedyer3654 so you’re more worried about particles than atmospheric gasses? I’m not saying we shouldn’t worry, but it’s pick your poison. My 2018 Passat bi-tdi is euro 6 rated, my 2018 outback 3.0 drinks that heavily Ide hate to think what it is. Diesel is more fuel efficient so less litres burnt per mile, less burnt is less pulled out of the ground. And I’m glad Ped covers electric power generation. That’s genuinely someone without bias, just facts
I’m glad you made this video. I prefer a diesel engine to a petrol engine. They are much more fuel efficient and the midrange torque is so much better than a petrol engine. Diesel engines are perfect for everyday driving. I still think diesel is the way to go.
That's why I got a twin turbo diesel crv as compared to the 2.4 cvt crv. Much better fuel economy, torque and 9 speed auto. I've managed 23 km/l on a highway, and 20 km/l (56 mpg) is easy to do. Over the life of my vhicle I've gotten 16km/l (45 mpg).
I am a diesel fan, but then also am a high mileage motorist. I also ride a motorbike and getting stuck behind a petrol car, even a new one, I can smell the unburnt petrol fumes which at times can make me nauseous. Putting aside the rare smokers, this never happens following a diesel.
Absolutely, another vote for a Jaguar XF 3.0 TD. I have owned my 2009 car for 11 years and love it. Very fast off the lights if you are so inclined, because of the massive torque. But also more importantly, at 70 mph it is only doing about 1700 rpm so extremely economical on the motorway at 43mpg. It is the best modern car I have ever owned and will not sell, even though living in the new proposed ULEZ zone will have to pay £12.50 which is a total rip off con. It is probably better to pay it, than buy a newer less reliable full of electronic problems car that will depreciate heavily.
I too have a Jaguar - a lovely classic S type 2.7 Twin Turbo D built in 2007 - and like you i get a fantastic mileage. I had a Jaguar XE 2 lt petrol before - more modern but nothing like as satisfying to drive - in my case in rural Dorset. in addition my present Jaguar is MUCH simpler electronically cruises like yours at well under 2000RPM and also much less to go wrong. Finally it was less than a quarter of the price i got for my 2018 XE and has a much better MPG of course
Yes, It’s torque that helps to accelerate, the horsepower only determines the top speed. An older BMW 520d does 0-100kph in 8.8s while the 520i would take 10s to get to 100kph.
I owned a 2009 XF 3.0 TD myself but my normal driving did not naturally clear the DPF so I had to do special runs to clean it out. I loved the car but found several things started to go wrong with it. I have since owned a Mercedes S class and a Volvo S90 and had no reliability problems with either of them (the Merc was actually 6 years older than the Jag which I bought after I sold the Jag). A friend of mine worked at Jaguar for a few years and it is an issue with jaguar that stuff starts to fail after a while. Silly things like door handles sticking out so the door won't lock or the boot release not working except on the key fob (2 issues I had) and the supposed sealed gearbox should have an oil change before 100K miles or you risk an expensive gearbox repair. Jaguars look great and they are lovely to be in but the reliability is not there.
I like how diesels drive, the effortless torquey pull of them is so relaxing. But as I rarely do more than a 20 minute drive, the DPF realistically prohibits me from getting one.
The reason that you get huge amounts of torque is because it has a turbo charger, a petrol engine would also have huge amounts of torque if it had a turbo charger. I don’t think diesel’s even have more torque than petrol the myth was created by the statement that diesel’s have more torque at lower RPM and what is meant by more is not more than petrol but more than what occurs at higher RPM. The only reason they are used in trucks is for efficiency.
@@Cooliemasteroz Edit: It turns out I'm wrong. See counter example by @timhill7674 below. Original comment below for transparency: That's not entirely true. Diesels tend to still have a bit more torque per litre of displacement. It might be because of their higher compression ratio, or because they're built to handle more boost. I don't know the specifics exactly.
I couldn't agree more - diesel got unfairly condemned for the actions of one or two cheating manufacturers. I maintain an old (2005) Peugeot 407 with the 2.0HDI turbodiesel (also shared with Ford's of the same era) in Northern Ireland for when we visit and it's a brilliant thing, even after 150,000 miles - still wafts along delivering 45-50 mpg on a steady run. No imminent ULEZ restrictions on the island so far, so I shall keep it!
45-50? Mine gets 54-56 mpg over 10k miles ;-) 65mpg on a run. 75mpg if I eco drive, fantastic engines, ultra reliable. Last I heard, PSA / Ford didn't have to fluff their numbers and cheat. Most likely because these engines are used in industry standard testing for all sorts.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Oh come on!..EVs were barely a twinkle in Elon Musk's eye when VW were found cheating the emissions test and EV sales were hardly registering on the total sales figures. The fact is that as we learn more and more about the damage toxic air does in our cities, the more we need to speed up the elimination of ICE generally, especially diesels. Leaving the CO2 aside you can't get rid of the sulphur dioxide, NOX and particulates which damage lungs and nervous systems of those living near main roads. London has seen good results from the ULEZ zone and is quite rightly wanting to expand it. For further evidence check out the air quality improvement in Oslo over the past 10 years where 25% of all vehicles being used there are electric now. Get over your obsession with 'engines', and accept that electric motors are the way to go.
Absolutely agree, I am on my second diesel, the first bought new in 2004 a Mondeo 2.0 130hp served me well for 14 years. I have family in Berlin and visited them 3-4 times a year, plus we would also travel all around Europe, hence my clocking up 242k. I only parted with it due to rising maintenance costs. But thanks to the extended Gov scrappage deal in 2018 I changed it for a Hyundai i40 diesel 140hp, which is also being utterly brilliant. Probably due to it's 70ltr tank I can now get from home to the outskirts of Berlin on a single tank, that 632 miles door to door (not including the wet bit after Dover) and I usually still have 80-100 miles left in the tank, dependant on traffic, roadworks etc. If I was to be forced to use a 'milkfloat' then it would most likely take a full 2-3 days with all the recharging that would be involved, not to mention the additional costs of hotel(s). I'll stick with my oil burner until Bio Fuels or Hydrogen get sorted out properly.
I totally understand the need to move to “greener” engines. In my household we have an EV and a diesel but I agreed diesels still have a place on our roads. If we want to make a substantial decrease in emissions this has to be done globally. We need to support and work together so that all the world’s vehicles get cleaner and more efficient. Restricting the U.K. to hybrids and EVs while in the USA oversized gas guzzling V8s still rule makes no sense. Also totally agree with you on the D300 engine in the LR. It’s so smooth, responsive and efficient.
We need more c02 not less! It's already at dangerously low levels (400ppm) much lower and we're looking at an extinction level event ... these so called "climate experts" are nuts
I always look for the torque-figure and at how low revs it comes in. Power means nothing to me. High torque at low revs (1800rpm) makes for effortless, smooth driving 😎
@@Conservator.Power is what gives you acceleration. Get a motor with half the torque and twice the power and gear it down correctly and it will out accelerate the lower power motor. Also power band is important. If the power is high for only a few hundred RPM it is also not very useful unless you have a CVT.
@@franciscoshi1968 peak power is usually only at a small range at high rpm that you’ll hardly use and certainly not for long. When talking about the power of an engine we are referring to its peak power and that will determine the top speed. Torque usually is far less dependent on rpm and can therefore be used over a longer range and will help to accelerate faster.
@@franciscoshi1968 As an example: 2010 5 series BMW 2l engines 0-100kph, top speed, power, torque Diesel 8.1s, 227 kph, 135kW, 380Nm Petrol 9.6s, 224kph, 125kw, 210Nm
I drive a 2016 530d Touring. Buckets of torque across the rev range paired with the 8 speed ZF makes it so effortless to drive, as well as making it feel significantly quicker than the 258 bhp figure would suggest - sub 6 second 0-60 and an easy 50mpg on the motorway is hard to beat!
I am a retired diesel mechanic so I am in favour of the engines principles and its many advantages but what I am not in favour of is the layer after layer of complex tech and emissions that the engines are now saddled with. In times not so long ago your common diesel would be bullet proof and easily last 500,000 miles or more with basic servicing. They were not rockets but they were dependable and not likely to leave you stuck in an inconvenient place. Well the complexity I spoke about has changed that along with the far lighter build changes to their base components. Oil consumption in modern diesels is terrible and this leads to inlet manifold blockages and sensor fouling and then DPF problems. The cost involved with fixing this stuff is eyewatering but wait there is more, the cost of electronic injectors and other common rail components means that cars as young as eight years old will be written off because the engine is to expensive to fix. here in Australia it is common now to see people stranded in vehicles away from capital cities because the knowledge and parts to fix a vehicle are not available and so tow operators are called in to pick the vehicle up and bring it home. Even then the expertise to fix it is not always there. back where the modern diesel 4x4 broke down you will see plenty of 20 or 30 year old Toyota Landcruiser's running around reliably with their slow but strong and reliable diesel that can be fixed in most regional centers far from cities. You know what gets a laugh every time? looking at someone driving a Defender or another super expensive 4x4 sitting in the middle of a creek crossing with water slowly rising inside the vehicle because it stopped. Petrol vehicles have the same problems but they are a little less expensive to fix, but not much. There is a price to pay for the benefits of that complexity and its reliability and repair costs.
My opinion of diesel engines is entirely based on reliability - in my opinion they peaked around 20years ago when the likes of Volkswagen, Toyota and Volvo were still making engines that weren't so heavily emissions restricted that would do hundreds of thousands of miles care free. Think of old golfs, jettas, carina, avensis etc. So many engines are plagued with problems now - mazda and subaru fuel dilution, chocolate cranks in land rovers, peugeot derived engines in all manner of vehicles which are total junk and riddled with faults etc. Its why a small petrol engine is my go to these days.
You haven't tried a Vauxhall. i've been running Vauxhall Diesels for 23 years now, all 2 litres [3 cars} Not GMC Europe now though , that's the shame . so would have to be second hand 👍👍👍👍
I agree. I used to like the old XUDT Pug engines but once they went to HDi its been a mess ever since. I'm all for emissions devices if they are properly engineered and work long term but I can't help thinking egr's and so on have done more harm than good with so many cars having problems form poor running to being scrapped early. Thats not progress. Thats playing the game on the emissions test.
I own a diesel and I own an EV. One of them I used to enjoy driving and the other is a real joy to drive. The real test for me is could I sit in the garage with the engine / motor running for a few hours and emerge alive? That tells me what the health impact of the two vehicles is.
I drive a private hire car and picked up a customer a while ago and he couldn’t believe that I had an 800 mile range on a tank of fuel. He had recently moved to an EV with a 150 mile range and was seriously considering selling it due mainly to range anxiety!
If a dual mass flywheel clutch is still required by a modern diesel engine, then caveat emptor. We gave up on our diesel Rav 4 because £500-600 for a new clutch every couple of years was ridiculous. The clutch for the petrol version of the same car was £180! We had one of each, both manuals (obvs) and, lovely as they were, their clutches died with monotonous regularity. Not down to our heavy wellies, either, we've both been driving since 1975 and these were terrible in that one regard Currently driving a petrol automatic.
Agree entirely. Our late 2014 BMW 320d (non-x-drive) with ZF8HP does circa 750 miles on a tank when we go on long trips over to Continental Europe. As a daily driver the only competition to get similar mpg around town is a very light weight city car. We have a 75bhp UP Bluemotion which achieves so very similar mpg, but to do so on the motorway you have to reduce your speed down to 63mph (GPS speed) as it is very speed sensitive above this wrt reduction of mpg. Btw, both vehicles have cruise control which once on the motorway I try to use almost 100% of my journey. Keeping a constant speed i believe also contributes to increased efficiency.
I do 35000 miles a year as a working musician. My 520d MHT touring does it perfectly well and it easily achieves 58 mpg. Electric just wouldn’t suit me at the moment. The negative with modern diesels is that if you only do short runs they become unreliable. All the school run mums with dci Qashqai’s suffered big repair bills with clogged EGR’s and DPF’s😂
I 100% agree, Diesels are great, I have an older 2014 2.0 TDI ATM, Was going to buy a new(ish) 330d but I only do 6000 miles a year, so was strongly advised against it as the EGR and DPF will rarely get hot enough to do regen and eventually that will turn into some big bills.
Also agree. I run a 59 plate Passat 170 tdi with 125k miles on the clock. It gets v regular long distance/motorway use with decent mpg. With proper servicing, I expect it to last a v long time indeed. It's main carbon footprint (its manufacture) happened sometime in 2009. I hope that politicians are genuinely reckoning the FULL carbon footprint of EV policies.
To visit my son is a 226 mile round trip. My diesel will do that 3 times with over 100 miles left in the tank, and based on experience. A Tesla might do it, but do I really believe the claimed ranges? Finding a charging point would be needed for peace of mind, especially in winter.
I have a Discovery 5 with the same engine as your Defender and we use it for big journeys where we often see 6.9L/100kms fully loaded, which is more economical than my wife's 3 cylinder, 1L Turbo VW T-Cross around town. Just a delight to drive and quite rapid. All this talk about EV's but there's no way you could take one of those fully loaded into the outback areas of Australia. Love the diesel.
@@bdeithrick I had a Tesla but it was awful to drive, awful to look at and awfully built. Maybe the new one is better but I don't think quality is priority #1 at Tesla
Diesel engine? Absolutely. Did 200k in my Skoda Octavia 1.9 Tdi, absolutely epic and averaged near on 50MPG. Have a VW transporter now, euro 6, 2 Litre Diesel absolutely ace and an effortless mile muncher. This obsession with EVs is ludicrous and completely unrealistic. Great video Pete.
I did 30,000 miles in my Skoda Superb 1.9TDi, 95% on a motorway, all above the limit. Nothing ever went wrong and as hard as I tried I could not get below 45mpg. Changed company, was given a 2.0 litre petrol engined car. My average consumption dropped to 24mpg for the same sot of driving.
I have a 2013 Vauxhall Insignia 2.0 litre, with just over 242,000 miles on the clock, I do approx 84 miles a day on motorways getting roughly 55 to the gallon but if I ease off the go faster pedal can get above 60 mpg. My car was in for an MOT recently it passed.
DPF , EGR , DI and possibly DMF are the four codes that one needs to get familiar with before buying a diesel. Granted, not every Diesel powered car has DMF , but the modern safety nets force cars to be driven or used in a specific way in order to keep them running well , ERGO long journeys vs short cycles dictate whether a DIESEL or PETROL is the right engine for you.
Sorry to break it to you but most modern petrols also have DI, DMF, EGR and PPF/OPF. The ones which don't will have soon. You're going to be getting the whole lot of emissions carp weather you like it or not. I'm all for it if its well designed, reasonable, well set up and durable. EGR is mostly a daft idea. Great principles and I understand why it looks good on paper but the implementation is woeful and always has been. Not helped by DI which then doesn't wash off the sludge the EGR inevitably throws up. There are better ways to do this. On the other end of the scale adblue kills nox and the only downside is about 10kg extra to carry about and having to refil a tank now and then. Well worth it. As for whats best - for short runs I would try to get a pre-2017 auto petrol so no ppf, DMF and likely no DI to worry about. EGR has been on most things since the 90's so you're only going to miss that one if you choose from the very few which don't use it. A plug-in hybrid can do anything - local, distance - makes no real difference. Downsides are they are usually expensive, usually have boot space eaten or no spare wheel well and compared to a straight ice more to break. Of course they also have two power sources and both can be used only when they are at their best so they should last a very long time too. Diesels are the most thermally efficient even to this day and thats not going to change anytime soon. Add to that that diesel contains more energy than petrol anyway and they will always give more horsepower hours per gallon so the more work you are going to ask of it (higher speeds, larger loads, etc) then the more it falls in favour of a diesel. I can think of no use case currently where a large battery ev makes sense over one of the options above unless you live in the middle of nowhere, have a massive solar array, only drive every few days or less, never do real distance or go on holiday with a full car/etc, never tow, never do anything spontaniously and enjoy the aroma of your own f4rts so much that you turned vegan and drive around with a constant smug look as you watch your adoring followers wishing they were you. Maybe not all that last part but a decent enough bit of it.
We have a Skoda Octavia estate 1.6 diesel (67 reg), and it’s an incredibly clean engine. Super-reliable and the emission stats are off the chart! We drive to Cornwall, Scotland and The Lake District from East Essex on a regular basis. An example being our last trip back from St.Ives costing about 35 quid in fuel, for four people and lots of luggage (approx 370 miles).
I own a 2020 evoque diesel. On Friday I drove from Sheffield to Duxford and return 5 up and with full fuel and gear in the boot and returned 58.7 per gallon. No complaints from me.
Why does everyone question the origin of the electricity that an EV uses as you need more electricity just to create the diesel / petrol than an EV uses to go 1 mile? The origin of the electricity has no impact in the comparison.
it's not so much the cost of batteries but the ridiculous amount effort and processing it takes for the components of the batteries themselves that have the most environmental impact. Huge amounts of land are devastated to extract the small amounts of lithium and other chemicals needed to create batteries. This is the main factor against EV's.
Do coal fired power stations still exist ? We don’t have any in Scotland. There is one gas fired power station, but it is rarely used. It’s really just a back up to renewable electricity generation, about 1% of annual consumption.
There's one in England and one in Northern Ireland but only accounted for 1.5% of the UKs electricity last year. Unfortunately, the Westminster government is anti onshore wind, so we still use gas to produce about 38% of our electricity. England does import some of Scotland's wind energy, though, so thank you for that 😊
I had a 2011 Jetta TDI and loved it. I would still be driving it if it was not for an accident, the reason I bought it diesel was cheaper at the time and it came with $2000 Canadian government grant to buy diesel, it did 1000 km on a tank. I loved the way it went up steep hills.
Thanks Ped. I am an EV convert, but I still remember fondly my BMW 3.0 V6 and my Audi 4.0 V8 diesels, they were terrific engines. I appreciate your perspective in this video. However, even a numpty like me can detect some panic out there. 'I can't have a diesel car beyond 2030', 'I have to have only an EV after 2035'. This is just not true. New diesels and petrols won't be available after 2035, but there will still be good, used ICE cars on the roads for decades to come. People can still enjoy ICE engines for DECADES. Ped, you have a fan base, you have VISIBILITY. Please use this to reassure people that ICE vehicles are not banned from 2035 and if they really don't want to go EV then they don't HAVE to. Whenever you talk about the impending regulation changes, please add reassurance that used ICE vehicles will still be available and totally legal.
For 20 years my series 3 109 safari was 2 1/4 petrol, highly tuned, with cylinder head skimmed, valve timing adjusted, timing advanced and carb bored out, it returned 20 mpg, provided I was under the bonnet, tweaking it every week... The last 10 years, it's had a 200 TDi lump in it. I rarely look under the bonnet, mainly just check the oil, it starts 1st time rain or shine, returns 31 mpg either on a run, or around the lanes, regardless of road conditions. It pulls like a train, all bottom end and then the turbo kicks in. The Drover was crying out for it. Couldn't be happier. Go back to petrol? No chance. And you're right, I even pull our caravan with it.
Its great to see someone actually testing a diesel & being honest I'm all for electric cars in city's & they make so much sense for old aunt Mable who goes to get her papers everyday & goes shopping once a week But for those of us who love driving for work & pleasure & do lots of miles but still need to drive on a budget a diesel is the better option & in most cases the only option I love my diesel mondeo & I'll be running her until there is no more diesel then I'll put her in my garage alongside my mk2 granada 2.8 estate & my rover sd1 v8
@@the_lost_navigator7266 I totally agree But the technology isn't really there for vans Not ones properly tested in real world scenarios We have 3 electric vans at work They look nice because they are brand new But They can't carry the loads that they say they can nor can or do they do the claimed range Infact no even close They say it can do 200 miles when in fact its more like 120 which is poor considering the people who buy these want them to carry loads etc
About a year ago I swapped a Lexus Petrol Hybrid for a BMW 740 diesel. The Lexus couldn't better 30mpg. My BMW manages about 48mpg. NOBODY can tell me the BMW isn't vastly more efficient. Plus it's fast, quiet, does over 800 miles on a tank and looks way better too.
We have a 2016 Euro 6 compliant diesel which has just worked superbly with a full load and towing a trailer to Cornwall. However, when you back it in the garage or one passes you in town you just cannot escape the particulates and fumes. The UK power grid is now pretty much coal free and when for the majority of trips we use our Golf size EV I have to say it is a much better power source the majority of the time. No local emissions, lower national emissions as the grid gets greener every year, low maintenance and running costs, but most of all just lovely to drive. Finances don't permit us to change our diesel at the moment but the diesel is a dying breed and although I can appreciate a good diesel can be a joy to drive, I don't think I'm that sad about it.
2013 Hyundai i30 Premium 1.6 Turbo CRDi here. Now at 189,000 KM's. No issues whatsoever with either car as a whole nor the engine and transmission. Only 100Kw propelling a 1470KG kerb weight small hatch but near on 300Nm of torque. The fuel economy is amazing and it never needs to rev beyond 3,000rpm and will hold 6th gear up the longest steepest freeway/highway/motorway and never exceeds 2,000rpm and never changes down gears. Basically it has the grunt of a 3 litre six cylinder. We both LOVE it. The Premium model has all the fruit and some more. When the dual row timing chain/tensioner system finally does indicate a replacement, this is exactly what we will get done and it's not expensive.
I used petrol vehicles for over thirty years but for the last12 years I have used diesels and I would never go back to petrol they are far superior vehicles an many ways.
@@whocares264 and it only took you 2 hrs longer than me, £50 more in food, and assuming you charged on a fast charger, cost little less than my diesel 😂 but you saved the planet 🌎 so all good 😊
@@rollieenavlogs7370 You seem proud of poisoning the air we all breathe including your children, i didn't realise diesels put you of your food, must be the stink.
i run as a daily a 1998 bmw 525tds E39 manual 1550 kg car...returns 4.6 liter / 100klm 2 valve straight six diesel engine ...25 year old car 345,000 klm i expect it to do another 200 ,000 klm before i need to look for another car , i expect then only trouble after 100.000 klm.modern cars are far to heavy,,,,,,, P.S made and built in germany dont think new ones are
Mazda CX60 3.3l turbo diesel is fantastic and really good economy too. I always wondered why PHEVs didn’t use turbo diesel engines more often. Torque to recharge the battery whilst on the motorway then electric in town when the diesel is less efficient.
I can remember Gordon Brown's "Dash for Diesel" . I can remember thinking at the time "What about all the soot ?" . Yes we now have DPFs (which can and do clog up) , ad blue, common rail injection , blah blah blah, the major issue is getting complete combustion of a complex long chain hydrocarbon (like diesel) is way more difficult that short chain hydrocarbons. Petrol (putting CO2 aside for a bit) will always burn cleaner than diesel. I had an LPG conversion on a petrol car. Gases like propane or butane (and not gasoline, that's a liquid !) burn really cleanly. Come oil change time on my LPG petrol car, the oil looked new. None of the gunk that's there on a petrol engine. Petrol engine's oil looks clean compared to the sludge that comes out of a diesel come oil change time. The sludge in the oil are the unburnt hydrocarbons that have been captured in the oil, and not those that go out of the exhaust pipe. Yes there are catalytic converters that do improve things. Anyway to me, LPG or Methane powered internal combustion are the cleanest ways of burning fossil fuel in a car, even if the CO2 emissions are a bit higher. I had a diesel Mazda, the engine was very torquey, I enjoyed driving it. I was always worrying about the DPF clogging up. So much so I'd only use it for long runs. The little petrol cars I have , no such worries. Most of my time is spent on short suburban town centre trips.
Hi. Having been part of the launch of this engine it’s nice to see you giving it a great review. You should contact the Engine plant in Wolverhampton and do a tour.
Diesel engines are particularly unsuited for short trips and require special treatment to minimise harmful exhaust emissions; anyone pushing diesel engines for anything other than heavy duty use, such as with trucks, buses and trains where their high efficiency shines, require their heads to be examined.
A very well balanced post, well done Peter 👍 My wife and I have on occasions regretted selling our Merc GLA 220 4Matic (diesel). It was such a good car. All the anti diesel horror stories that were circulating about 5 years ago made me think twice about diesel ownership. Now on our second petrol hybrid, all very good and positive and a far better bet at the moment for us over an EV.
We've talked briefly once before , the 1st diesel car I drove was a PUEGOT 504 borrowed , could not wait to get out of it. Many years passed and I found myself behind the wheel of a 280 C E Mercedes, just a test drive you understand, but I fell in love with that car. What an experience my driving became smooth ,quiet and the way things were at that time my journey times became shorter, I arrived home after a day behind the wheel and felt happy and relaxed, ready to just enjoy my evenings and repeat as often as necessary . the years rolled by I changed cars , I was 32 when I bought that 280 I'm in my 70,s now and once or twice I tried petrol cars (just to be open about them) but I sit now behind the wheel of my diesel twin turbo well filtered Mercedes. Last week drove from Cumbria to Cornwall over to Plymouth then home again(couple of nights stops at both). The only change in this journey , motorways 4 live lanes and as I drove I felt slightly uneasy to notice that many of the lane safety cameras were obviously pointing up ,down, or at right angles to the carriageway , I always felt safer on a motorways than A,or B roads for obvious reasons and I feel that the the Police, the Highway Department and the Government are putting motorists at an increased risk on these motorways . Feels more like a kill zone in the event of even a flat tire. Sorry to have added that last bit, but most of us have families who mean everything to us, do the people doing this to us not have the same ?
Love my Defender D250 and totally agree with you. It’s incredibly refined and a fabulous piece of kit for munching the miles. Twin this with our little mini electric for all of our short journeys into the local villages and I think we have the perfect combo. Unfortunately diesel has been given a bad name from diesel-gate but totally unjustified imo as well.
Thank youuuuuu!!!! I worked with the advanced engineer team at the Diesel Engine plant in London. There is no doubt that these engines are absolutely reliable and keep going for decades. Nitrodioxide occur when nitrogen is exposed to temperatures above 1300oC. Why potters in the entire UK haven't been addressed over their kilns working with temperatures over 3000oC for over 12 hours? I have witnessed how artists leave their kiln burning over night for over 12 hours. I struggle to accept motorists are the ones to blame. I can't believe that many Diesles vehicles with high spec are now worthless. This needs to be revised without delay!
I have a diesel and it's ULEZ complaint and it's CO2 rate is only £30 A year as it is so clean. The fuel economy is over 65 mpg on a long run and over 50 mpg around town
Rangz Rover Evoque 2.2 TD4 - a real motorway muncher in luxury style. PDF easily dealt with on urban cycle periods. Mid-West France to South-West Spain in 13 easy hours with one top-up! Do that on a battery car. It's only the peasants that provide the problems.
Have driven Mondeo 2litre Diesel Estates for over 20 years. Currently get 57mpg on a motorway run and one of them did 197,000 miles with only routine servicing before I gave it to my daughter! No longer available😢. Big mistake by Ford to stop build of Mondeos in my opinion.
Until the Tesla driving fraternity give up flying off for their skiing trips and consuming products from all over the globe, I think I’ll feel just fine zipping about in my M340d, while getting 50 to the gallon….agree with your point, in the real world diesels are just far superior
Oh dear Ped! One of the reason I love your channel is that you are not afraid to indulge your passions but it is a bit of slip backwards with this'good old diesels' video. I could sense the nostalgia, but we all let our hearts rule our heads at times.😊 You are a bit optimistic on the particulate filter data too, which is more like 30% to 80% capture rates, depending on cold starts, temperatures and how well the vehicle is maintained. Even newish diesels kick out a cloud of black smoke when they accelerate hard, especially when climbing. The reason it's a dead technology though is that the costs to develop and build a diesel engine that will meet new air quality standards makes the car more expensive than an EV. As for 'great torque'...EVs have diesels beaten there too. JLR are in a fight for survival and must electrify quickly to stay in business, lets hope they do.
Very good points you're making! Just bought a new diesel-engined car today. Hope I will not experience a lot of typical diesel problems which the new Euro 6.2 diesels are prone to. But, I'm happy again, driving at 2k rpm :)
i love my diesel! (seat leon 2.0 184) so easy to drive and really forgiving. averages high 40's low 50's mpg (i've got a heavy right foot!). if the weather is snowy it can pull away in 2nd or 3rd gear no problems. also, vehicle manufacturers always talk about 0-60 times, but when does that ever matter in real world driving? really should be 30-70 times which is where a diesel excels (i.e. overtaking slower moving vehicles).
Acceleration times are completely pointless... As long as the vehicle isn't glacial in acceleration. Because most people, most of the time, just pootle along casually. A car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and one that does it in 10 seconds, I'd drive it the same. Makes no difference, as acceleration is hampered by the person ahead and legal limitations (speed cameras, safety etc)
There are 2 problems that make diesel worse than it could be, 1 the push to make them led to smaller particals, the old engines produce bigger particles that not a problem for living animals to filter out but the newr smaller particles are a problem. The green lobby are responsible once again for making things worse. 2nd there is a growing trend amongst drivers is the foot to the floor brigade. Not saying we should all crawl around at 5 mph but trying to do the standing quater mile at every light is where the most polution is made as is the need to treat speed limits as a minimum. What we all need to realise there is no means of transport that doesnt produce some emmissions, even walking produces co2
Absolutely agree. Without the diesel engine the world stops . I own a ten year old a jag xf 3.00 ltr diesel , 57 mpg on a run and averaging 40 overall. Super comfort and goes like a hairy bear. What’s not to love .
Loved all my diesel engined cars and I am now on my 5th since 2006. Sometimes when I get into a petrol car I'll stall it, as I am so used to the low revs torque of diesels that I don't give it enough revs to pull away! These days, now I am retired, I don't do much mileage, so the benefits of diesel for fuel economy have gone out of the window, but I still drive a diesel. I remember back in around 2002, I was at a trade dinner where Murray Walker was the guest speaker and I was lucky enough to be sat next to him for dinner. Of course, it wasn't long before someone on the table said "So, we're all wondering what Murray Walker drives?" Murray chuckled and said "A BMW 530D" which resulted in a few raised eyebrows. No one expected him to say a diesel. He then said that the 530D was just about as quick as the 530i, due to the higher torque, but was much more economical. I think we all went away thinking "I must check that out!" and of course, we found that he was correct. There was only 0.2 of a second in their 0-60 figures! Diesels had come a long way....
First let me say that I agree with your general point. Diesel has gotten a bad wrap, and I think there are several reasons for that. People still remember the old diesels and how bad they smelled because they burned oil (not the diesel, but the oil lubricant). I still hate sitting behind those old diesels. New ones don't smell like that and don't burn oil, and they are simply more efficient than gasoline cars (sorry how we call them in the US). Also you are right that hybrids are better than diesel in almost every way, but why aren't there hybrid diesels? Those would be even better. In fact if there were diesel hybrids it would make the EV transition take even longer, because we would be comparing an EV to an 60-80mpg car. And you are right if you are towing, a diesel is a very good choice. Though the hybrids will now do it more efficiently, again, why are there no diesel hybrid trucks? I have really been confused by how slow diesel was to catch on in the US, but I think by now it is really not the best option. Hybrids are just as cheap (almost) have better efficiency and just as much power. But just comparing a Diesel to straight gas today, hard to imaging why there are not more diesels... and I can't understand why there are no diesel hybrids, it seems a no brainer. Ok, that left out EVs entirely because I think they are really 2 different markets, with only a little overlap. If you need to tow or need long range people buy a diesel (or a gas hybrid). If they don't need that and can plug in at home folks buy EVs. EVs are clearly not capable of filling all the niches yet. But one thing you said that is not correct is the line about the coal power plant powering your EV. First if you want to take that line you need to look at the actual power generation in your market and see what will be powering your EV. In the UK today coal is like 1.5% of the energy production, natural gas is nearly 40%, wind is 27% and nuclear is over 15%. Even solar beat out coal by 3x in the non-sunny UK. An EV will produce much less emissions given any power grid just due to efficiency gains, but given your power grid it will be much cleaner. Remember that EVs are about 80%+ efficient where as even diesels are maybe 30% efficient at turning diesel into torque. Power plants are much more efficient even if we are talking natural gas (50% or so), and they are cleaning burning to boot. The is no comparison between an EV and a diesel in how much pollution it creates, EVs win hands down, and every peer reviewed study has found this to be the case. That doesn't mean they work for everyone, and as you mention, lots of folks still have a great choice with a diesel, but most of those folks are better off with a hybrid. Both are no hassle, the hybrid is more efficient (slightly), and really close in price. You could make an argument for either, but for me the regenerative breaking throws it to the hybrid. Again though (repeating myself) no idea why we don't have hybrid diesels....
@@retiredbore378Good information, thank you. For a parallel hybrid that makes sense why they don't use a full-sized diesel engine with electric assist. But it would still be great for a series hybrid and/or a PHEV. In both of those cases the petrol engine is not constantly coming on and off. It kicks in when the battery needs charged and just runs consistently until it is no longer needed, which may be until you can plug in, or stop. There was a story about a decade ago when there was an X prize for the first 100mpg car that BMW made a series hybrid diesel electric hybrid that made 100mpg, but then never decided to move forward with it. So clearly it can be a winning design, just not with the typical parallel hybrid design that is so popular today.
@@mikereinhardt1244 VW made the Lupo 3L tdi back in 1998. This did 100mpg. Effortlessly. In a series production vehicle. In fact, they rolled the tech out across to Audi who made an A2 3L TDI, and shared it with the sister Seat Arosa. All over twenty years ago. All straightforward diesels. Very very little mentioned in the English speaking world about them though they were popular in Europe
@@davehayhurst1780 Fascinating, in the US none of those were ever available, or at least I never saw any of them on the market. I can't fathom how those were not massively successful if they made 100mpg. How can that have been ignored?
Because you throw always 60 to 70% of the energy the Diesel has as waste heat. If you would take that Diesel and generate electricity from that you could drive the same amount and also heat up a house with the waste heat But I think what most people don't really want to accept is that the issue itself is burning fossil fuels. No matter how.
My Honda Accord tdci engine circa 2007 was a work of art, absolutely loved it especially after it was retuned to around 200bhp and it was cleaner and quieter than most. I'd do a bit more digging as your film is full of inaccuracies, many Euro 6 diesel models are a disaster waiting to happen with dpf related issues. EV's being charged via coal power stations just isn't true, they now account for around 2% of UK power generation which is negligible.
I have just changed from a very nice petrol car (200 HP) to a very nice diesel (184 HP). I`m light on the gas so was getting 39 MPG from petrol car. Diesel is about 5% dearer or about the same as petrol but I`m now getting about 30% better MPG. The diesel is only a year old, has adBlue and is a mild hybrid too.
From The Netherlands. I owned a 2 liter Diesel Ford Mondeo for 17 years. I clocked 380.000 KM on it. Frankly it was the best Car I ever owned. The engine was performing absolutely perfect. After retirement I had to get rid of it because of very high taxes on Diesel cars in The Netherlands. Still regret it.
I totally agree with your comment regarding ‘Where does the Electricity come from’. I run an 80mpg diesel estate car, (not ULEZ compliant) my wife runs a 1 litre 40 to 45mpg petrol car that is ULEZ compliant. My diesel which obviously is twice as efficient as the petrol engine is frowned upon, go figure. I only use my car for longer journeys. I do believe an electric motor is a better means of propulsion for a car, what I don’t agree with is batteries as the energy storage.
We haven't demonised diesel engines, or petrol engines, all that has happened is electric vehicles surpass them in every way. On all specs. Makes me laugh when people say where does the electricity come from, the same place it comes from in drilling for oil, refining the crude oil, transporting it, and the pump.
Great engine. Can’t go wrong with a straight-six diesel - although they do need a good 30 mins to warm up to reach full efficiency. Also don’t forget the NA straight-six petrol; my N53 averages 42mpg on motorway trips.
It’s not just people who tow things that need ICE cars. There are 4.3 million of us who live in 1930s terraced houses. These houses have no access to home charging we share the road for parking with our neighbours. We will have to charge not at night at 5p /kWh but will have to go to a on road chargers abd be charged 75p/kWh. Our houses in ex mining communities are some of the lowest paid and supported by least amount of public transport. Ex mining towns in wales, the midlands the north east and other naval and army towns have large communities that will be discriminated against and pay more for charging because of the housing we can afford.
Wonderful overview and insight into diesel engines. Well done PP, we can never forget the torque that a diesel engine gives us, especially in a bigger 4x4 type vehicle.
I love my diesel car. 60+mpg average, 900-1000 miles per tank and zero road tax and euro 6 compliant. Can cruise at 50mph at 1500rpm. On the subject of EV's most electrons come from gas, wind/solar mix generation. Hardly any coal fired power stations nowadays.
The biggest problem was going from Euro 5 to Euro 6 with add blue. In Euro 5 ( mid 2000's when DPF's started appearing ) the particles were burnt down to a barely visible size, but large enough to still contributed to "smog" and haze in cities. In Euro 6 ( around 2010 ) they added post DPF catalyst to reduce these particles even further to microscopic size. The air in cities cleared up, yet blood levels of particulates started rising dramatically, I've read a few studies of this effect in German cities. They took visible air pollution that we didn't overly absorb, made it smaller and less visible, and it started poisoning people even faster. As much as it's horrible to follow a black soot belching diesel, that shit doesn't go straight through your lungs into your blood stream. Now that they have started adding particle filters to petrol cars, I wonder if the same problem will occur once the pollution is reduced to a small enough size.
It is hard to comprehend quite how small the ultra-fine particles produced by direct injection petrol and diesel engines are. Some are smaller than a virus, similar in size to molecules. A measured PM2.5 mass concentration of 10 µg/m³ can contain as many as 2.4 million 20-nm particles/cm³, but could also be represented by a single 2.5 µm particle. There is particular concern about the huge numbers of particles and large surface area to diameter ratio of the particles increasing their capacity to transport toxic metals and hydrocarbons directly into the body and specifically transport these to the alveoli in the lungs and on into the blood.
I remember hiring a diesel vauxhall and driving from Somerset to Blairgowrie in Scotland and then three days of exploring the highlands before I needed to put fuel in the tank. So efficient even 20 years ago.
I had a Volvo V60 D5. Loved that car. But I didn’t need the range it gave me any more. I have an ID3 now. It accelerates marginally faster than the Volvo, and is just as comfortable. If I could get the V60 as an electric car I would. I charge the ID3 at home from my solar panels when I can, otherwise from the grid using supposedly green energy. More and more of the electricity will come from green sources in the future so why not use it. Diesel cars are brilliant, yes, but that’s not the problem. It’s the people who use diesels when an electric car would be more than sufficient (justify why you NEED your Discovery) it’s those that use them in towns when they aren’t as efficient, but also the diesel lorries etc. On top of that it’s the process of generating diesel and petrol, the pulling of the oil from the ground, the refining processes and all the waste generated as well. The polluting has to end and if that means that we don’t have ICE cars then so be it. Maybe we shouldn’t have cars (or motorbikes) at all, we should all walk and cycle more. I’m no saint, I ride a Harley! Oh, and to those who say “I’ll never have an EV”, have you even driven one?
Except CO2 isn't a pollutant. It is plant food. The real issue with diesel is that the particulates are carcinogenic, and the filters in the real world aren't that efficient, especially as the vehicle gets older.
Bought my 1st diesel this year (Audi Q5) and what with acquiring 2 dogs, a caravan and a family, it suits me down to the ground. It may be a tall heavy 4x4 but I still get 42mpg on short local trips and 48 on long motorway trips.
There is good reason why the majority (by far) of vehicles you encounter in remote locations are A) Diesel powered and B) Toyotas. Where reliability, range and torque are the priority, nothing else makes much sense. Our Fortuner (4wd wagon based on the Toyota Hilux) has crossed the Simpson desert, towed a camper up to and all over Fraser Island and takes an annual trip to the Victorian high country. Rough roads and conditions that take their toll on any vehicle. Diesel torque and low range 4x4, allied with a sensible right foot gets you past most challenges and gets you home again.
As a Dane and now a Pensioner, I have driven Diesel Cars since 1978, when I saw the light after a disastrously bad built BMW 320! I have passed 28 km/l on a full tank in my former car (I use a book calculating my consumption each time, when filling my tank), and I'm presently reaching 25 km rather often. I'm able to reach 1200 km on a tank and it takes about 5 minutes to fill it for another 1200 km (Try that, E.V.s!). As now soon to be 76, I don't care about any E.V. but expect my car to last my time!
Total cost of ownership for a diesel car is cheaper than the equivalent EV and the convenience level isn’t even close. Still waiting for an EV that can match the towing and driving range of our diesel. The solid state battery that Toyota is working on might be the solution.
My favorite diesel engine of all is the 2.4 5 pot what was fitted in Alfa Romeo 156’s what went from 136bhp then 140bhp then 150bhp then the Multijet ones came in what finally took the engine to 210bhp and went from the 156 into the 159 /Brera/ Spider . That 5 Cylinder growl reminded me of the Audi Quattro. Great engines economy & torque . Out of a 2003 156 2.4 5 Cylinder 150bhp i was getting 840 miles per tank per month and i am sure the car could do more as the gauge was on 1/4 tank when i refilled it .
Excellent video once again. Euro 6 has made diesel vehicles unreliable and is costing the owner a lot of money ( Jimmy O'Riley) on TH-cam is worth watching. I love diesel myself and have driven different ones for 30 years . BMW X3 340d awesome
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Rudolf Diesel would be incredibly proud of what the modern engineers have done with his technology. And also amazed!
He would. Diesels have over 100 years of innovation behind them.
So would Herbert Akroyd Stuart. Someone rarely mentioned but actually more relevant (and a British engineer).
Fiat's modern common rail technology. Changed diesels when they sold the design rights to Bosch.
@@terryo5672electric cars have over 150 years of innovations behind them. There is actually way more electric motors in this world than all ICE ever made.
@@carholic-sz3qv not sure the electric motor has innovated much - Magnetic coil + electricity = rotary motion. It’s always been batteries that received the innovation, unless like electric trains you can have OH power.
Absolutely brilliant Pete, finally someone standing up for the diesel engine, I bought a 2 year old Ford Focus in late 2014, (my first diesel car) best decision I’ve made in buying a car, it was the £20 a year tax that made it for me, then I realised very quickly that my fuel bill had halved while still doing the same mileage. (my previous car was a 1.6 petrol focus) Towing our caravan is a breeze, so much easier than a petrol. Nearly 9 years later I still have said car and have had very little go wrong with it, just over 130.000 on the clock 50ish mpg around the town and still going strong, what more could you want, personally I wouldn’t have any other vehicle but a diesel powered one.
Towing any caravan with a Focus is downright dangerous. Smallish front drive car should not tow anything. But yes when in England I saw this practice,, I doubt Ford would ever condone it. I doubt an insurer would either when involved in an accident.
@@ldnwholesale8552 what are you on about?? Ford focus isn’t a small car, medium sized that has a 1500kg kerb weight and has a 1280kg towing capacity as stated on V5, and with full comprehensive insurance.
@@any-car-will-do He must be a Yank. Anything smaller than a Hummer is "smallish". Then if you look at the size of those people, it may make sense.
@@ldnwholesale8552easy to consider a Focus a smallish car, but not long ago it would have been considered large, and at 1500kg, a similar weight to a lot of 4WDs.
And with the ABS, stability control etc, they can be very capable towing.
Should have got the 1.6 tdi golf Zero road tax in the UK and easily 600 miles a tank
I used to be a vehicle tech in The RAF, in training, we went into detail about how efficient the diesel engine was compared to petrol.
Had the same experience during trade training in the Army. We all laughed at our diesel instructor when he explained how diesel’s were superior to petrol. Been driving BMW diesel’s for years!
@@simongibbs3936basically, all of you are the worst and nastiest thing that happened for car culture on this planet. You don't understand squat about driving, driving pleasure, driving involvement and engagement and all of you are ignorant enough(in more ways than it should) about why diesel cars are awful for our society; but heey, as long as you got 40-50 miles more per tank, then scr.ew the pollution, scr.ew the cancer giving diesel noxes and fumes, scr.ew the driving pleasure. The important is to get a slightly higher mileage with the same amount of money, right?(in complete disregard with the higher purchasing costs and higher maintenance costs... basically, diesel owners are the shining bright lights of our society.., unfortunately for them, no one knows it😢.. and that's too bad because they could have led us all into our promised future) #suchashame, not!
yes diesel engine 30% efficient electric vehicles 90% efficient....and the evs don't stink
@@whocares264 EV's are the second biggest con perpetrated on mankind after religion. Nowhere near as green as the fucking woke climate nazis would have you believe.
@@whocares264now compare whole of life CO2 emissions, especially given a diesel vehicle will easily last 20 years if looked after well.
I have owned three diesel cars and own one now. It is a Peugeot 308 and does up to seventy miles to the gallon. I drive up to Peterborough from Portsmouth and back again and still have half a tank of fuel, when I get back. It's a shame that the manufactures decided to cheat on emissions as I bought this car in 2014 as a main dealer demonstrator with about 4000 miles on the clock and it has now done about 95,000. The engine is a good as the day I bought it.
I'm suspicious of this ongoing 'diesel cheating' campaign. Part of the diesel hate campaign!
Diesel... yes! Could not agree more with you, but the main problem is called politics, not reason. Keep on the good work.
100% correct. It’s frustrating (and even damaging too) when politicians ignore facts.
Totally agree 👌
1000% wrong. Diesels are the worst type of engine every invented from the noxes pollution pov. Basically, diesel fumes kills us faster and uglier than gas fumes does..and this is not an opinion, it is science. Also, uneducated ppl used diesel powered cars in town.. because, yeah, why not?, because that's why diesels have been invented, to sit in day to day traffic and give lung cancer to children. GOD forbid any driver should use them as per intended purpose, which was, low rpm, long distance, basically, the way in which a diesel engine has its best efficiency.
Not to worry diesel lovers, you can(and already are) atone for your sins by purchasing electric cars... which, of course, as we all know, will save the planet... saving it by moving the pollution and noxes from under our noses to other places on this earth. #we are saved, now and forever!, praised the diesel and ev lord and saviour and bless all those who purchased those type of cars. The fact that ignorance is bliss has never ever been more reprezentative for any society in history....basically, we, as a specie, become dvm.ber and dvm.ber with each generation.. and soon, we will all live in an idiocracy.
p. s. and you are correct, politicians are to be blamed... but not for taking away your diesel, no.., they are to be blamed for making you a dummie who does not understand squat from the world in which he lives; I salute you for that.. as is probably great for you.. it must be, considering the ignorance lvl.
The main problem is Particulates! Some just don’t get it, 40k related deaths is OK I guess!
@@davedyer3654 so you’re more worried about particles than atmospheric gasses? I’m not saying we shouldn’t worry, but it’s pick your poison. My 2018 Passat bi-tdi is euro 6 rated, my 2018 outback 3.0 drinks that heavily Ide hate to think what it is.
Diesel is more fuel efficient so less litres burnt per mile, less burnt is less pulled out of the ground. And I’m glad Ped covers electric power generation. That’s genuinely someone without bias, just facts
I’m glad you made this video. I prefer a diesel engine to a petrol engine. They are much more fuel efficient and the midrange torque is so much better than a petrol engine. Diesel engines are perfect for everyday driving. I still think diesel is the way to go.
That's why I got a twin turbo diesel crv as compared to the 2.4 cvt crv. Much better fuel economy, torque and 9 speed auto. I've managed 23 km/l on a highway, and 20 km/l (56 mpg) is easy to do. Over the life of my vhicle I've gotten 16km/l (45 mpg).
Thank you!
I am a diesel fan, but then also am a high mileage motorist. I also ride a motorbike and getting stuck behind a petrol car, even a new one, I can smell the unburnt petrol fumes which at times can make me nauseous. Putting aside the rare smokers, this never happens following a diesel.
Absolutely, another vote for a Jaguar XF 3.0 TD. I have owned my 2009 car for 11 years and love it. Very fast off the lights if you are so inclined, because of the massive torque. But also more importantly, at 70 mph it is only doing about 1700 rpm so extremely economical on the motorway at 43mpg. It is the best modern car I have ever owned and will not sell, even though living in the new proposed ULEZ zone will have to pay £12.50 which is a total rip off con. It is probably better to pay it, than buy a newer less reliable full of electronic problems car that will depreciate heavily.
I have Jag XF, and I concur.
Have a particulate filter fitted, and retest emissions !,
I too have a Jaguar - a lovely classic S type 2.7 Twin Turbo D built in 2007 - and like you i get a fantastic mileage. I had a Jaguar XE 2 lt petrol before - more modern but nothing like as satisfying to drive - in my case in rural Dorset. in addition my present Jaguar is MUCH simpler electronically cruises like yours at well under 2000RPM and also much less to go wrong. Finally it was less than a quarter of the price i got for my 2018 XE and has a much better MPG of course
Yes, It’s torque that helps to accelerate, the horsepower only determines the top speed.
An older BMW 520d does 0-100kph in 8.8s while the 520i would take 10s to get to 100kph.
I owned a 2009 XF 3.0 TD myself but my normal driving did not naturally clear the DPF so I had to do special runs to clean it out. I loved the car but found several things started to go wrong with it. I have since owned a Mercedes S class and a Volvo S90 and had no reliability problems with either of them (the Merc was actually 6 years older than the Jag which I bought after I sold the Jag). A friend of mine worked at Jaguar for a few years and it is an issue with jaguar that stuff starts to fail after a while. Silly things like door handles sticking out so the door won't lock or the boot release not working except on the key fob (2 issues I had) and the supposed sealed gearbox should have an oil change before 100K miles or you risk an expensive gearbox repair. Jaguars look great and they are lovely to be in but the reliability is not there.
I like how diesels drive, the effortless torquey pull of them is so relaxing. But as I rarely do more than a 20 minute drive, the DPF realistically prohibits me from getting one.
Every month go onto a motorway and tank it for 20 min that should be hot enough to burn the particulates off.
Modern petrol engines are coming out with particle filters now too!
The reason that you get huge amounts of torque is because it has a turbo charger, a petrol engine would also have huge amounts of torque if it had a turbo charger. I don’t think diesel’s even have more torque than petrol the myth was created by the statement that diesel’s have more torque at lower RPM and what is meant by more is not more than petrol but more than what occurs at higher RPM. The only reason they are used in trucks is for efficiency.
@@Cooliemasteroz Edit: It turns out I'm wrong. See counter example by @timhill7674 below. Original comment below for transparency:
That's not entirely true. Diesels tend to still have a bit more torque per litre of displacement. It might be because of their higher compression ratio, or because they're built to handle more boost. I don't know the specifics exactly.
Buy a diagnostic tool and make it do a forced re-gen from time to time, anyway I'm sure you do more than 20 miles from time to time?
I couldn't agree more - diesel got unfairly condemned for the actions of one or two cheating manufacturers. I maintain an old (2005) Peugeot 407 with the 2.0HDI turbodiesel (also shared with Ford's of the same era) in Northern Ireland for when we visit and it's a brilliant thing, even after 150,000 miles - still wafts along delivering 45-50 mpg on a steady run. No imminent ULEZ restrictions on the island so far, so I shall keep it!
45-50? Mine gets 54-56 mpg over 10k miles ;-) 65mpg on a run. 75mpg if I eco drive, fantastic engines, ultra reliable. Last I heard, PSA / Ford didn't have to fluff their numbers and cheat. Most likely because these engines are used in industry standard testing for all sorts.
Older diesels get better mileage as they have less emissions mitigations.
@@edc1569 And they pump out toxic clouds of smoke in the process. Thankfully here in France about a million a year are being scrapped now.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Oh come on!..EVs were barely a twinkle in Elon Musk's eye when VW were found cheating the emissions test and EV sales were hardly registering on the total sales figures. The fact is that as we learn more and more about the damage toxic air does in our cities, the more we need to speed up the elimination of ICE generally, especially diesels. Leaving the CO2 aside you can't get rid of the sulphur dioxide, NOX and particulates which damage lungs and nervous systems of those living near main roads. London has seen good results from the ULEZ zone and is quite rightly wanting to expand it. For further evidence check out the air quality improvement in Oslo over the past 10 years where 25% of all vehicles being used there are electric now. Get over your obsession with 'engines', and accept that electric motors are the way to go.
Absolutely agree, I am on my second diesel, the first bought new in 2004 a Mondeo 2.0 130hp served me well for 14 years. I have family in Berlin and visited them 3-4 times a year, plus we would also travel all around Europe, hence my clocking up 242k. I only parted with it due to rising maintenance costs. But thanks to the extended Gov scrappage deal in 2018 I changed it for a Hyundai i40 diesel 140hp, which is also being utterly brilliant. Probably due to it's 70ltr tank I can now get from home to the outskirts of Berlin on a single tank, that 632 miles door to door (not including the wet bit after Dover) and I usually still have 80-100 miles left in the tank, dependant on traffic, roadworks etc. If I was to be forced to use a 'milkfloat' then it would most likely take a full 2-3 days with all the recharging that would be involved, not to mention the additional costs of hotel(s). I'll stick with my oil burner until Bio Fuels or Hydrogen get sorted out properly.
I miss my golf TDI, should have kept it. Loved that car with the low end torque.
I totally understand the need to move to “greener” engines. In my household we have an EV and a diesel but I agreed diesels still have a place on our roads. If we want to make a substantial decrease in emissions this has to be done globally. We need to support and work together so that all the world’s vehicles get cleaner and more efficient. Restricting the U.K. to hybrids and EVs while in the USA oversized gas guzzling V8s still rule makes no sense.
Also totally agree with you on the D300 engine in the LR. It’s so smooth, responsive and efficient.
We need more c02 not less! It's already at dangerously low levels (400ppm) much lower and we're looking at an extinction level event ... these so called "climate experts" are nuts
I always look for the torque-figure and at how low revs it comes in. Power means nothing to me. High torque at low revs (1800rpm) makes for effortless, smooth driving 😎
Power determines top-speed only. It’s torque that does the acceleration. Cars are hardly ever driven at top speed and never without acceleration. 🤓
It's true what they say, power sells cars, torque wins races.
@@Conservator.Power is what gives you acceleration. Get a motor with half the torque and twice the power and gear it down correctly and it will out accelerate the lower power motor. Also power band is important. If the power is high for only a few hundred RPM it is also not very useful unless you have a CVT.
@@franciscoshi1968 peak power is usually only at a small range at high rpm that you’ll hardly use and certainly not for long.
When talking about the power of an engine we are referring to its peak power and that will determine the top speed.
Torque usually is far less dependent on rpm and can therefore be used over a longer range and will help to accelerate faster.
@@franciscoshi1968 As an example:
2010 5 series BMW 2l engines
0-100kph, top speed, power, torque
Diesel 8.1s, 227 kph, 135kW, 380Nm
Petrol 9.6s, 224kph, 125kw, 210Nm
I drive a 2016 530d Touring. Buckets of torque across the rev range paired with the 8 speed ZF makes it so effortless to drive, as well as making it feel significantly quicker than the 258 bhp figure would suggest - sub 6 second 0-60 and an easy 50mpg on the motorway is hard to beat!
Easy to beat with electric cars...
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@@whocares264… but no range on an EV
Most people have no idea what they are talking about when they criticise diesel. They've been told its bad so they just believe it
I am a retired diesel mechanic so I am in favour of the engines principles and its many advantages but what I am not in favour of is the layer after layer of complex tech and emissions that the engines are now saddled with. In times not so long ago your common diesel would be bullet proof and easily last 500,000 miles or more with basic servicing. They were not rockets but they were dependable and not likely to leave you stuck in an inconvenient place. Well the complexity I spoke about has changed that along with the far lighter build changes to their base components. Oil consumption in modern diesels is terrible and this leads to inlet manifold blockages and sensor fouling and then DPF problems. The cost involved with fixing this stuff is eyewatering but wait there is more, the cost of electronic injectors and other common rail components means that cars as young as eight years old will be written off because the engine is to expensive to fix. here in Australia it is common now to see people stranded in vehicles away from capital cities because the knowledge and parts to fix a vehicle are not available and so tow operators are called in to pick the vehicle up and bring it home. Even then the expertise to fix it is not always there. back where the modern diesel 4x4 broke down you will see plenty of 20 or 30 year old Toyota Landcruiser's running around reliably with their slow but strong and reliable diesel that can be fixed in most regional centers far from cities. You know what gets a laugh every time? looking at someone driving a Defender or another super expensive 4x4 sitting in the middle of a creek crossing with water slowly rising inside the vehicle because it stopped. Petrol vehicles have the same problems but they are a little less expensive to fix, but not much. There is a price to pay for the benefits of that complexity and its reliability and repair costs.
My opinion of diesel engines is entirely based on reliability - in my opinion they peaked around 20years ago when the likes of Volkswagen, Toyota and Volvo were still making engines that weren't so heavily emissions restricted that would do hundreds of thousands of miles care free. Think of old golfs, jettas, carina, avensis etc. So many engines are plagued with problems now - mazda and subaru fuel dilution, chocolate cranks in land rovers, peugeot derived engines in all manner of vehicles which are total junk and riddled with faults etc. Its why a small petrol engine is my go to these days.
You haven't tried a Vauxhall. i've been running Vauxhall Diesels for 23 years now, all 2 litres [3 cars} Not GMC Europe now though , that's the shame . so would have to be second hand 👍👍👍👍
I agree. I used to like the old XUDT Pug engines but once they went to HDi its been a mess ever since.
I'm all for emissions devices if they are properly engineered and work long term but I can't help thinking egr's and so on have done more harm than good with so many cars having problems form poor running to being scrapped early.
Thats not progress. Thats playing the game on the emissions test.
I like dsl but the modern era 2012 on ward is complete junk.
I own a diesel and I own an EV.
One of them I used to enjoy driving and the other is a real joy to drive.
The real test for me is could I sit in the garage with the engine / motor running for a few hours and emerge alive? That tells me what the health impact of the two vehicles is.
I drive a private hire car and picked up a customer a while ago and he couldn’t believe that I had an 800 mile range on a tank of fuel.
He had recently moved to an EV with a 150 mile range and was seriously considering selling it due mainly to range anxiety!
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If a dual mass flywheel clutch is still required by a modern diesel engine, then caveat emptor. We gave up on our diesel Rav 4 because £500-600 for a new clutch every couple of years was ridiculous. The clutch for the petrol version of the same car was £180!
We had one of each, both manuals (obvs) and, lovely as they were, their clutches died with monotonous regularity. Not down to our heavy wellies, either, we've both been driving since 1975 and these were terrible in that one regard
Currently driving a petrol automatic.
Agree entirely. Our late 2014 BMW 320d (non-x-drive) with ZF8HP does circa 750 miles on a tank when we go on long trips over to Continental Europe. As a daily driver the only competition to get similar mpg around town is a very light weight city car. We have a 75bhp UP Bluemotion which achieves so very similar mpg, but to do so on the motorway you have to reduce your speed down to 63mph (GPS speed) as it is very speed sensitive above this wrt reduction of mpg. Btw, both vehicles have cruise control which once on the motorway I try to use almost 100% of my journey. Keeping a constant speed i believe also contributes to increased efficiency.
I do 35000 miles a year as a working musician. My 520d MHT touring does it perfectly well and it easily achieves 58 mpg. Electric just wouldn’t suit me at the moment. The negative with modern diesels is that if you only do short runs they become unreliable. All the school run mums with dci Qashqai’s suffered big repair bills with clogged EGR’s and DPF’s😂
I 100% agree, Diesels are great, I have an older 2014 2.0 TDI ATM, Was going to buy a new(ish) 330d but I only do 6000 miles a year, so was strongly advised against it as the EGR and DPF will rarely get hot enough to do regen and eventually that will turn into some big bills.
Tool for the job!!
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Also agree. I run a 59 plate Passat 170 tdi with 125k miles on the clock. It gets v regular long distance/motorway use with decent mpg. With proper servicing, I expect it to last a v long time indeed. It's main carbon footprint (its manufacture) happened sometime in 2009. I hope that politicians are genuinely reckoning the FULL carbon footprint of EV policies.
Friend of mine had 520d too. Regularly gets 700 miles from a tank. But it is an 07 plate so folks want it scraped. Complete bolux.
To visit my son is a 226 mile round trip. My diesel will do that 3 times with over 100 miles left in the tank, and based on experience. A Tesla might do it, but do I really believe the claimed ranges? Finding a charging point would be needed for peace of mind, especially in winter.
I have a Discovery 5 with the same engine as your Defender and we use it for big journeys where we often see 6.9L/100kms fully loaded, which is more economical than my wife's 3 cylinder, 1L Turbo VW T-Cross around town. Just a delight to drive and quite rapid. All this talk about EV's but there's no way you could take one of those fully loaded into the outback areas of Australia. Love the diesel.
Correct use and a electrical or hybrid to buzz around town
@@bdeithrick I had a Tesla but it was awful to drive, awful to look at and awfully built. Maybe the new one is better but I don't think quality is priority #1 at Tesla
Diesel engine? Absolutely. Did 200k in my Skoda Octavia 1.9 Tdi, absolutely epic and averaged near on 50MPG. Have a VW transporter now, euro 6, 2 Litre Diesel absolutely ace and an effortless mile muncher. This obsession with EVs is ludicrous and completely unrealistic. Great video Pete.
I did 30,000 miles in my Skoda Superb 1.9TDi, 95% on a motorway, all above the limit. Nothing ever went wrong and as hard as I tried I could not get below 45mpg. Changed company, was given a 2.0 litre petrol engined car. My average consumption dropped to 24mpg for the same sot of driving.
I have a 2013 Vauxhall Insignia 2.0 litre, with just over 242,000 miles on the clock, I do approx 84 miles a day on motorways getting roughly 55 to the gallon but if I ease off the go faster pedal can get above 60 mpg. My car was in for an MOT recently it passed.
18,000+ltr diesel burned, costing some £25,000+ to cover those miles 😮
@@SeanPowellThat’s still less money than a Tesla model S (probably the only EV option back then) would have costed.
Buy a diesel in 2029 and watch it appreciate in value like a house in Kensington !
DPF , EGR , DI and possibly DMF are the four codes that one needs to get familiar with before buying a diesel. Granted, not every Diesel powered car has DMF , but the modern safety nets force cars to be driven or used in a specific way in order to keep them running well , ERGO long journeys vs short cycles dictate whether a DIESEL or PETROL is the right engine for you.
You don't necessarily avoid the possible issues of a DMF by buying a petrol car. My Subaru Outback has a DMF - I would be happier if it didn't.
Sorry to break it to you but most modern petrols also have DI, DMF, EGR and PPF/OPF.
The ones which don't will have soon.
You're going to be getting the whole lot of emissions carp weather you like it or not.
I'm all for it if its well designed, reasonable, well set up and durable.
EGR is mostly a daft idea. Great principles and I understand why it looks good on paper but the implementation is woeful and always has been. Not helped by DI which then doesn't wash off the sludge the EGR inevitably throws up. There are better ways to do this.
On the other end of the scale adblue kills nox and the only downside is about 10kg extra to carry about and having to refil a tank now and then. Well worth it.
As for whats best - for short runs I would try to get a pre-2017 auto petrol so no ppf, DMF and likely no DI to worry about. EGR has been on most things since the 90's so you're only going to miss that one if you choose from the very few which don't use it.
A plug-in hybrid can do anything - local, distance - makes no real difference. Downsides are they are usually expensive, usually have boot space eaten or no spare wheel well and compared to a straight ice more to break. Of course they also have two power sources and both can be used only when they are at their best so they should last a very long time too.
Diesels are the most thermally efficient even to this day and thats not going to change anytime soon. Add to that that diesel contains more energy than petrol anyway and they will always give more horsepower hours per gallon so the more work you are going to ask of it (higher speeds, larger loads, etc) then the more it falls in favour of a diesel.
I can think of no use case currently where a large battery ev makes sense over one of the options above unless you live in the middle of nowhere, have a massive solar array, only drive every few days or less, never do real distance or go on holiday with a full car/etc, never tow, never do anything spontaniously and enjoy the aroma of your own f4rts so much that you turned vegan and drive around with a constant smug look as you watch your adoring followers wishing they were you.
Maybe not all that last part but a decent enough bit of it.
We have a Skoda Octavia estate 1.6 diesel (67 reg), and it’s an incredibly clean engine. Super-reliable and the emission stats are off the chart! We drive to Cornwall, Scotland and The Lake District from East Essex on a regular basis. An example being our last trip back from St.Ives costing about 35 quid in fuel, for four people and lots of luggage (approx 370 miles).
Well said Ped! …. and folks shouldn’t forget that petrol engines also emit NOx and particles.
I own a 2020 evoque diesel. On Friday I drove from Sheffield to Duxford and return 5 up and with full fuel and gear in the boot and returned 58.7 per gallon. No complaints from me.
Why does everyone question the origin of the electricity that an EV uses as you need more electricity just to create the diesel / petrol than an EV uses to go 1 mile? The origin of the electricity has no impact in the comparison.
it's not so much the cost of batteries but the ridiculous amount effort and processing it takes for the components of the batteries themselves that have the most environmental impact. Huge amounts of land are devastated to extract the small amounts of lithium and other chemicals needed to create batteries. This is the main factor against EV's.
I can't see how Diesel cars were a problem with Buses, Bin Wagons, Fire Engines, Trucks, Trains and Tractors etc. in mass proliferation.
Do coal fired power stations still exist ? We don’t have any in Scotland. There is one gas fired power station, but it is rarely used. It’s really just a back up to renewable electricity generation, about 1% of annual consumption.
There's one in England and one in Northern Ireland but only accounted for 1.5% of the UKs electricity last year. Unfortunately, the Westminster government is anti onshore wind, so we still use gas to produce about 38% of our electricity. England does import some of Scotland's wind energy, though, so thank you for that 😊
I have an international audience 👍
I had a 2011 Jetta TDI and loved it. I would still be driving it if it was not for an accident, the reason I bought it diesel was cheaper at the time and it came with $2000 Canadian government grant to buy diesel, it did 1000 km on a tank. I loved the way it went up steep hills.
Thanks Ped. I am an EV convert, but I still remember fondly my BMW 3.0 V6 and my Audi 4.0 V8 diesels, they were terrific engines. I appreciate your perspective in this video. However, even a numpty like me can detect some panic out there. 'I can't have a diesel car beyond 2030', 'I have to have only an EV after 2035'. This is just not true. New diesels and petrols won't be available after 2035, but there will still be good, used ICE cars on the roads for decades to come. People can still enjoy ICE engines for DECADES.
Ped, you have a fan base, you have VISIBILITY. Please use this to reassure people that ICE vehicles are not banned from 2035 and if they really don't want to go EV then they don't HAVE to. Whenever you talk about the impending regulation changes, please add reassurance that used ICE vehicles will still be available and totally legal.
Fully legal ?
The UK government are ending new sales of diesel and petrol from 2030.
Love this! And so true, diesels these days are cleaner than ever before!
For 20 years my series 3 109 safari was 2 1/4 petrol, highly tuned, with cylinder head skimmed, valve timing adjusted, timing advanced and carb bored out, it returned 20 mpg, provided I was under the bonnet, tweaking it every week... The last 10 years, it's had a 200 TDi lump in it. I rarely look under the bonnet, mainly just check the oil, it starts 1st time rain or shine, returns 31 mpg either on a run, or around the lanes, regardless of road conditions. It pulls like a train, all bottom end and then the turbo kicks in. The Drover was crying out for it. Couldn't be happier. Go back to petrol? No chance. And you're right, I even pull our caravan with it.
Brilliant. Diesel is the most efficient reliable mode of propulsion. In addition it is getting cleaner. The Government are completely deluded.
CO2 emissions will never go away.
Its great to see someone actually testing a diesel & being honest
I'm all for electric cars in city's & they make so much sense for old aunt Mable who goes to get her papers everyday & goes shopping once a week
But for those of us who love driving for work & pleasure & do lots of miles but still need to drive on a budget a diesel is the better option & in most cases the only option
I love my diesel mondeo & I'll be running her until there is no more diesel then I'll put her in my garage alongside my mk2 granada 2.8 estate & my rover sd1 v8
My kind of person 👍
I will argue that aunt mabel shouldn't have an EV. Far better to use the batteries in busy vehicles like taxis and delivery vans.
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I totally agree
But the technology isn't really there for vans
Not ones properly tested in real world scenarios
We have 3 electric vans at work
They look nice because they are brand new
But
They can't carry the loads that they say they can nor can or do they do the claimed range
Infact no even close
They say it can do 200 miles when in fact its more like 120 which is poor considering the people who buy these want them to carry loads etc
Thanks 🙏🏻
About a year ago I swapped a Lexus Petrol Hybrid for a BMW 740 diesel. The Lexus couldn't better 30mpg. My BMW manages about 48mpg. NOBODY can tell me the BMW isn't vastly more efficient. Plus it's fast, quiet, does over 800 miles on a tank and looks way better too.
We have a 2016 Euro 6 compliant diesel which has just worked superbly with a full load and towing a trailer to Cornwall. However, when you back it in the garage or one passes you in town you just cannot escape the particulates and fumes. The UK power grid is now pretty much coal free and when for the majority of trips we use our Golf size EV I have to say it is a much better power source the majority of the time. No local emissions, lower national emissions as the grid gets greener every year, low maintenance and running costs, but most of all just lovely to drive. Finances don't permit us to change our diesel at the moment but the diesel is a dying breed and although I can appreciate a good diesel can be a joy to drive, I don't think I'm that sad about it.
if a euro6 diesel is smelly and you can see fumes it probably needs a good service!?!
Bollocks. Euro6 fumes are negligible. And coal 'fumes' these days are negligible. Brainwashed by green dogma.
2013 Hyundai i30 Premium 1.6 Turbo CRDi here. Now at 189,000 KM's. No issues whatsoever with either car as a whole nor the engine and transmission. Only 100Kw propelling a 1470KG kerb weight small hatch but near on 300Nm of torque. The fuel economy is amazing and it never needs to rev beyond 3,000rpm and will hold 6th gear up the longest steepest freeway/highway/motorway and never exceeds 2,000rpm and never changes down gears. Basically it has the grunt of a 3 litre six cylinder. We both LOVE it. The Premium model has all the fruit and some more. When the dual row timing chain/tensioner system finally does indicate a replacement, this is exactly what we will get done and it's not expensive.
I used petrol vehicles for over thirty years but for the last12 years I have used diesels and I would never go back to petrol they are far superior vehicles an many ways.
Three Diesel drivers in our household, nothing beats them in our opinion.
I’ve got a 530d touring and it’s a phenomenal engine, returned 47mpg on a recent holiday to Cornwall 😊
I only get the equivalent of 200 mpg from my ev
@@whocares264 and it only took you 2 hrs longer than me, £50 more in food, and assuming you charged on a fast charger, cost little less than my diesel 😂 but you saved the planet 🌎 so all good 😊
@@rollieenavlogs7370 You seem proud of poisoning the air we all breathe including your children, i didn't realise diesels put you of your food, must be the stink.
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i run as a daily a 1998 bmw 525tds E39 manual 1550 kg car...returns 4.6 liter / 100klm 2 valve straight six diesel engine ...25 year old car 345,000 klm i expect it to do another 200 ,000 klm before i need to look for another car , i expect then only trouble after 100.000 klm.modern cars are far to heavy,,,,,,, P.S made and built in germany dont think new ones are
Mazda CX60 3.3l turbo diesel is fantastic and really good economy too. I always wondered why PHEVs didn’t use turbo diesel engines more often. Torque to recharge the battery whilst on the motorway then electric in town when the diesel is less efficient.
I can remember Gordon Brown's "Dash for Diesel" . I can remember thinking at the time "What about all the soot ?" . Yes we now have DPFs (which can and do clog up) , ad blue, common rail injection , blah blah blah, the major issue is getting complete combustion of a complex long chain hydrocarbon (like diesel) is way more difficult that short chain hydrocarbons.
Petrol (putting CO2 aside for a bit) will always burn cleaner than diesel. I had an LPG conversion on a petrol car. Gases like propane or butane (and not gasoline, that's a liquid !) burn really cleanly. Come oil change time on my LPG petrol car, the oil looked new. None of the gunk that's there on a petrol engine. Petrol engine's oil looks clean compared to the sludge that comes out of a diesel come oil change time.
The sludge in the oil are the unburnt hydrocarbons that have been captured in the oil, and not those that go out of the exhaust pipe. Yes there are catalytic converters that do improve things.
Anyway to me, LPG or Methane powered internal combustion are the cleanest ways of burning fossil fuel in a car, even if the CO2 emissions are a bit higher.
I had a diesel Mazda, the engine was very torquey, I enjoyed driving it. I was always worrying about the DPF clogging up. So much so I'd only use it for long runs. The little petrol cars I have , no such worries. Most of my time is spent on short suburban town centre trips.
Hi. Having been part of the launch of this engine it’s nice to see you giving it a great review. You should contact the Engine plant in Wolverhampton and do a tour.
Thanks for the idea 👍
@@PetrolPed We're only just up the road from there, pop in for a cuppa😀
Straight sixes are great!
Would you know how the JLR 3.0 diesel compares to the one from BMW? I’m just curious.
Am I correct that this is a derivative of the Lion diesel?
If so, has and how has the issue with suspect 3 main crank bearing been addressed ?
Diesel engines are particularly unsuited for short trips and require special treatment to minimise harmful exhaust emissions; anyone pushing diesel engines for anything other than heavy duty use, such as with trucks, buses and trains where their high efficiency shines, require their heads to be examined.
A very well balanced post, well done Peter 👍
My wife and I have on occasions regretted selling our Merc GLA 220 4Matic (diesel). It was such a good car. All the anti diesel horror stories that were circulating about 5 years ago made me think twice about diesel ownership. Now on our second petrol hybrid, all very good and positive and a far better bet at the moment for us over an EV.
We've talked briefly once before , the 1st diesel car I drove was a PUEGOT 504 borrowed , could not wait to get out of it. Many years passed and I found myself behind the wheel of a 280 C E Mercedes, just a test drive you understand, but I fell in love with that car. What an experience my driving became smooth ,quiet and the way things were at that time my journey times became shorter, I arrived home after a day behind the wheel and felt happy and relaxed, ready to just enjoy my evenings and repeat as often as necessary . the years rolled by I changed cars , I was 32 when I bought that 280 I'm in my 70,s now and once or twice I tried petrol cars (just to be open about them) but I sit now behind the wheel of my diesel twin turbo well filtered Mercedes. Last week drove from Cumbria to Cornwall over to Plymouth then home again(couple of nights stops at both). The only change in this journey , motorways 4 live lanes and as I drove I felt slightly uneasy to notice that many of the lane safety cameras were obviously pointing up ,down, or at right angles to the carriageway , I always felt safer on a motorways than A,or B roads for obvious reasons and I feel that the the Police, the Highway Department and the Government are putting motorists at an increased risk on these motorways . Feels more like a kill zone in the event of even a flat tire. Sorry to have added that last bit, but most of us have families who mean everything to us, do the people doing this to us not have the same ?
Love my Defender D250 and totally agree with you. It’s incredibly refined and a fabulous piece of kit for munching the miles. Twin this with our little mini electric for all of our short journeys into the local villages and I think we have the perfect combo. Unfortunately diesel has been given a bad name from diesel-gate but totally unjustified imo as well.
It is only 6 and a bit years to 2030. It's not going to happen without incredible pain, loss of jobs and civil unrest.
I read a article about exhaust particals on a petrol engine are smaller than the partials from a diesel engine exhaust
Thank youuuuuu!!!! I worked with the advanced engineer team at the Diesel Engine plant in London. There is no doubt that these engines are absolutely reliable and keep going for decades.
Nitrodioxide occur when nitrogen is exposed to temperatures above 1300oC. Why potters in the entire UK haven't been addressed over their kilns working with temperatures over 3000oC for over 12 hours? I have witnessed how artists leave their kiln burning over night for over 12 hours. I struggle to accept motorists are the ones to blame. I can't believe that many Diesles vehicles with high spec are now worthless. This needs to be revised without delay!
I have a diesel and it's ULEZ complaint and it's CO2 rate is only £30 A year as it is so clean. The fuel economy is over 65 mpg on a long run and over 50 mpg around town
It’s great that people are realising that diesel cars are not bad and that in fact we don’t have a climate emergency at all
Nasa and the vast majority of the scientific community don't agree with you
Rangz Rover Evoque 2.2 TD4 - a real motorway muncher in luxury style. PDF easily dealt with on urban cycle periods. Mid-West France to South-West Spain in 13 easy hours with one top-up! Do that on a battery car. It's only the peasants that provide the problems.
Have driven Mondeo 2litre Diesel Estates for over 20 years. Currently get 57mpg on a motorway run and one of them did 197,000 miles with only routine servicing before I gave it to my daughter! No longer available😢. Big mistake by Ford to stop build of Mondeos in my opinion.
Until the Tesla driving fraternity give up flying off for their skiing trips and consuming products from all over the globe, I think I’ll feel just fine zipping about in my M340d, while getting 50 to the gallon….agree with your point, in the real world diesels are just far superior
The only problem with 4 cylinder diesels is the shitty sound😂however I am very impressed at how wonderfully smooth 6 cylinder diesels are today.
Oh dear Ped! One of the reason I love your channel is that you are not afraid to indulge your passions but it is a bit of slip backwards with this'good old diesels' video. I could sense the nostalgia, but we all let our hearts rule our heads at times.😊 You are a bit optimistic on the particulate filter data too, which is more like 30% to 80% capture rates, depending on cold starts, temperatures and how well the vehicle is maintained. Even newish diesels kick out a cloud of black smoke when they accelerate hard, especially when climbing. The reason it's a dead technology though is that the costs to develop and build a diesel engine that will meet new air quality standards makes the car more expensive than an EV. As for 'great torque'...EVs have diesels beaten there too. JLR are in a fight for survival and must electrify quickly to stay in business, lets hope they do.
No I just don’t have blinkers on. It’s a simple fact that for a number of use cases diesel is the best option currently by some stretch 🤷♂️
Very good points you're making!
Just bought a new diesel-engined car today. Hope I will not experience a lot of typical diesel problems which the new Euro 6.2 diesels are prone to.
But, I'm happy again, driving at 2k rpm :)
a good blast once a month will keep your engine running just great.
i love my diesel! (seat leon 2.0 184) so easy to drive and really forgiving. averages high 40's low 50's mpg (i've got a heavy right foot!). if the weather is snowy it can pull away in 2nd or 3rd gear no problems. also, vehicle manufacturers always talk about 0-60 times, but when does that ever matter in real world driving? really should be 30-70 times which is where a diesel excels (i.e. overtaking slower moving vehicles).
Acceleration times are completely pointless... As long as the vehicle isn't glacial in acceleration. Because most people, most of the time, just pootle along casually. A car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and one that does it in 10 seconds, I'd drive it the same. Makes no difference, as acceleration is hampered by the person ahead and legal limitations (speed cameras, safety etc)
There are 2 problems that make diesel worse than it could be, 1 the push to make them led to smaller particals, the old engines produce bigger particles that not a problem for living animals to filter out but the newr smaller particles are a problem. The green lobby are responsible once again for making things worse. 2nd there is a growing trend amongst drivers is the foot to the floor brigade. Not saying we should all crawl around at 5 mph but trying to do the standing quater mile at every light is where the most polution is made as is the need to treat speed limits as a minimum. What we all need to realise there is no means of transport that doesnt produce some emmissions, even walking produces co2
Absolutely agree. Without the diesel engine the world stops . I own a ten year old a jag xf 3.00 ltr diesel , 57 mpg on a run and averaging 40 overall. Super comfort and goes like a hairy bear. What’s not to love .
Loved all my diesel engined cars and I am now on my 5th since 2006. Sometimes when I get into a petrol car I'll stall it, as I am so used to the low revs torque of diesels that I don't give it enough revs to pull away! These days, now I am retired, I don't do much mileage, so the benefits of diesel for fuel economy have gone out of the window, but I still drive a diesel. I remember back in around 2002, I was at a trade dinner where Murray Walker was the guest speaker and I was lucky enough to be sat next to him for dinner. Of course, it wasn't long before someone on the table said "So, we're all wondering what Murray Walker drives?" Murray chuckled and said "A BMW 530D" which resulted in a few raised eyebrows. No one expected him to say a diesel. He then said that the 530D was just about as quick as the 530i, due to the higher torque, but was much more economical. I think we all went away thinking "I must check that out!" and of course, we found that he was correct. There was only 0.2 of a second in their 0-60 figures! Diesels had come a long way....
First let me say that I agree with your general point. Diesel has gotten a bad wrap, and I think there are several reasons for that. People still remember the old diesels and how bad they smelled because they burned oil (not the diesel, but the oil lubricant). I still hate sitting behind those old diesels. New ones don't smell like that and don't burn oil, and they are simply more efficient than gasoline cars (sorry how we call them in the US). Also you are right that hybrids are better than diesel in almost every way, but why aren't there hybrid diesels? Those would be even better. In fact if there were diesel hybrids it would make the EV transition take even longer, because we would be comparing an EV to an 60-80mpg car. And you are right if you are towing, a diesel is a very good choice. Though the hybrids will now do it more efficiently, again, why are there no diesel hybrid trucks? I have really been confused by how slow diesel was to catch on in the US, but I think by now it is really not the best option. Hybrids are just as cheap (almost) have better efficiency and just as much power. But just comparing a Diesel to straight gas today, hard to imaging why there are not more diesels... and I can't understand why there are no diesel hybrids, it seems a no brainer.
Ok, that left out EVs entirely because I think they are really 2 different markets, with only a little overlap. If you need to tow or need long range people buy a diesel (or a gas hybrid). If they don't need that and can plug in at home folks buy EVs. EVs are clearly not capable of filling all the niches yet. But one thing you said that is not correct is the line about the coal power plant powering your EV. First if you want to take that line you need to look at the actual power generation in your market and see what will be powering your EV. In the UK today coal is like 1.5% of the energy production, natural gas is nearly 40%, wind is 27% and nuclear is over 15%. Even solar beat out coal by 3x in the non-sunny UK. An EV will produce much less emissions given any power grid just due to efficiency gains, but given your power grid it will be much cleaner. Remember that EVs are about 80%+ efficient where as even diesels are maybe 30% efficient at turning diesel into torque. Power plants are much more efficient even if we are talking natural gas (50% or so), and they are cleaning burning to boot. The is no comparison between an EV and a diesel in how much pollution it creates, EVs win hands down, and every peer reviewed study has found this to be the case.
That doesn't mean they work for everyone, and as you mention, lots of folks still have a great choice with a diesel, but most of those folks are better off with a hybrid. Both are no hassle, the hybrid is more efficient (slightly), and really close in price. You could make an argument for either, but for me the regenerative breaking throws it to the hybrid. Again though (repeating myself) no idea why we don't have hybrid diesels....
@@retiredbore378Good information, thank you. For a parallel hybrid that makes sense why they don't use a full-sized diesel engine with electric assist. But it would still be great for a series hybrid and/or a PHEV. In both of those cases the petrol engine is not constantly coming on and off. It kicks in when the battery needs charged and just runs consistently until it is no longer needed, which may be until you can plug in, or stop. There was a story about a decade ago when there was an X prize for the first 100mpg car that BMW made a series hybrid diesel electric hybrid that made 100mpg, but then never decided to move forward with it. So clearly it can be a winning design, just not with the typical parallel hybrid design that is so popular today.
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Mercedes make hybrid diesel cars, like the 300 De.
@@mikereinhardt1244 VW made the Lupo 3L tdi back in 1998. This did 100mpg. Effortlessly. In a series production vehicle. In fact, they rolled the tech out across to Audi who made an A2 3L TDI, and shared it with the sister Seat Arosa. All over twenty years ago. All straightforward diesels. Very very little mentioned in the English speaking world about them though they were popular in Europe
@@davehayhurst1780 Fascinating, in the US none of those were ever available, or at least I never saw any of them on the market. I can't fathom how those were not massively successful if they made 100mpg. How can that have been ignored?
Because you throw always 60 to 70% of the energy the Diesel has as waste heat.
If you would take that Diesel and generate electricity from that you could drive the same amount and also heat up a house with the waste heat
But I think what most people don't really want to accept is that the issue itself is burning fossil fuels. No matter how.
My Honda Accord tdci engine circa 2007 was a work of art, absolutely loved it especially after it was retuned to around 200bhp and it was cleaner and quieter than most. I'd do a bit more digging as your film is full of inaccuracies, many Euro 6 diesel models are a disaster waiting to happen with dpf related issues. EV's being charged via coal power stations just isn't true, they now account for around 2% of UK power generation which is negligible.
I have just changed from a very nice petrol car (200 HP) to a very nice diesel (184 HP). I`m light on the gas so was getting 39 MPG from petrol car. Diesel is about 5% dearer or about the same as petrol but I`m now getting about 30% better MPG. The diesel is only a year old, has adBlue and is a mild hybrid too.
The world has gone mad! We’re ditching diesels way too soon!
38mpg in our 4.2 Cayenne Diesel S. One hell of an engine!
2.68kg of CO2e per litre. One hell of a lot of pollution!
@@FullFact548 If you’re worried about that sort of thing.
From The Netherlands. I owned a 2 liter Diesel Ford Mondeo for 17 years. I clocked 380.000 KM on it. Frankly it was the best Car I ever owned. The engine was performing absolutely perfect. After retirement I had to get rid of it because of very high taxes on Diesel cars in The Netherlands. Still regret it.
I've always loved the Diesel Engine. Infact I have got the New Audi S4 TDI . ITS brilliant and will not be selling it any time soon.....
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I totally agree with your comment regarding ‘Where does the Electricity come from’. I run an 80mpg diesel estate car, (not ULEZ compliant) my wife runs a 1 litre 40 to 45mpg petrol car that is ULEZ compliant. My diesel which obviously is twice as efficient as the petrol engine is frowned upon, go figure. I only use my car for longer journeys. I do believe an electric motor is a better means of propulsion for a car, what I don’t agree with is batteries as the energy storage.
We haven't demonised diesel engines, or petrol engines, all that has happened is electric vehicles surpass them in every way. On all specs. Makes me laugh when people say where does the electricity come from, the same place it comes from in drilling for oil, refining the crude oil, transporting it, and the pump.
Absolutely! The 3.0 Twin Turbo engine in my Jaguar XF S is an absolute gem.
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MY D300 Defender is probably the best car I've ever owned. Glad to hear others confering
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Totally agree, diesel engine has great low down torque for towing. 1.5 euro 6 TDCI in my ford and it returns 50mpg. 👍
Just wondering how much pollution caused by extracting crude oil, transporting it, refining into diesel and then transporting to fuel stations!
Quite a lot, very rarely mentioned.
I drive a 530d. It's Euro 5 but not ULEZ compliant.... 540Nm, 250+bhp, 600+ miles to a tank. It suits me and my lifestyle perfectly
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My VW Tiguan gets me from Warwickshire to Newquay Cornwall on a quarter tank of diesel, superb torque. I’d take a diesel over any ev any day.
Great engine. Can’t go wrong with a straight-six diesel - although they do need a good 30 mins to warm up to reach full efficiency. Also don’t forget the NA straight-six petrol; my N53 averages 42mpg on motorway trips.
It’s not just people who tow things that need ICE cars. There are 4.3 million of us who live in 1930s terraced houses. These houses have no access to home charging we share the road for parking with our neighbours. We will have to charge not at night at 5p /kWh but will have to go to a on road chargers abd be charged 75p/kWh. Our houses in ex mining communities are some of the lowest paid and supported by least amount of public transport. Ex mining towns in wales, the midlands the north east and other naval and army towns have large communities that will be discriminated against and pay more for charging because of the housing we can afford.
Just bought a BMW 330d. Could not care less, what other people think. Great engine, big range. That‘s what I Need.
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If you don't mind the unreliability and extreme repair costs of running such a thing, there's far better alternatives
Unreliability of a diesel engine 😂 I have owned a few and they have all been extremely reliable.
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Spot on I get over 50-56mpg in my 530d xdrive mild hybrid over 600miles to a tank
Wonderful overview and insight into diesel engines. Well done PP, we can never forget the torque that a diesel engine gives us, especially in a bigger 4x4 type vehicle.
In the US, diesels always sell out in record time, yet automakers claim that "Americans don't like diesel."
I love my diesel car. 60+mpg average, 900-1000 miles per tank and zero road tax and euro 6 compliant. Can cruise at 50mph at 1500rpm. On the subject of EV's most electrons come from gas, wind/solar mix generation. Hardly any coal fired power stations nowadays.
The biggest problem was going from Euro 5 to Euro 6 with add blue. In Euro 5 ( mid 2000's when DPF's started appearing ) the particles were burnt down to a barely visible size, but large enough to still contributed to "smog" and haze in cities. In Euro 6 ( around 2010 ) they added post DPF catalyst to reduce these particles even further to microscopic size. The air in cities cleared up, yet blood levels of particulates started rising dramatically, I've read a few studies of this effect in German cities. They took visible air pollution that we didn't overly absorb, made it smaller and less visible, and it started poisoning people even faster. As much as it's horrible to follow a black soot belching diesel, that shit doesn't go straight through your lungs into your blood stream. Now that they have started adding particle filters to petrol cars, I wonder if the same problem will occur once the pollution is reduced to a small enough size.
It is hard to comprehend quite how small the ultra-fine particles produced by direct injection petrol and diesel engines are. Some are smaller than a virus, similar in size to molecules. A measured PM2.5 mass concentration of 10 µg/m³ can contain as many as 2.4 million 20-nm particles/cm³, but could also be represented by a single 2.5 µm particle.
There is particular concern about the huge numbers of particles and large surface area to diameter ratio of the particles increasing their capacity to transport toxic metals and hydrocarbons directly into the body and specifically transport these to the alveoli in the lungs and on into the blood.
Yet another invisible threat we need to worry about. Hmm.
I remember hiring a diesel vauxhall and driving from Somerset to Blairgowrie in Scotland and then three days of exploring the highlands before I needed to put fuel in the tank. So efficient even 20 years ago.
I had a Volvo V60 D5. Loved that car. But I didn’t need the range it gave me any more. I have an ID3 now. It accelerates marginally faster than the Volvo, and is just as comfortable. If I could get the V60 as an electric car I would. I charge the ID3 at home from my solar panels when I can, otherwise from the grid using supposedly green energy. More and more of the electricity will come from green sources in the future so why not use it. Diesel cars are brilliant, yes, but that’s not the problem. It’s the people who use diesels when an electric car would be more than sufficient (justify why you NEED your Discovery) it’s those that use them in towns when they aren’t as efficient, but also the diesel lorries etc. On top of that it’s the process of generating diesel and petrol, the pulling of the oil from the ground, the refining processes and all the waste generated as well. The polluting has to end and if that means that we don’t have ICE cars then so be it. Maybe we shouldn’t have cars (or motorbikes) at all, we should all walk and cycle more. I’m no saint, I ride a Harley! Oh, and to those who say “I’ll never have an EV”, have you even driven one?
Except CO2 isn't a pollutant. It is plant food. The real issue with diesel is that the particulates are carcinogenic, and the filters in the real world aren't that efficient, especially as the vehicle gets older.
Bought my 1st diesel this year (Audi Q5) and what with acquiring 2 dogs, a caravan and a family, it suits me down to the ground. It may be a tall heavy 4x4 but I still get 42mpg on short local trips and 48 on long motorway trips.
There is good reason why the majority (by far) of vehicles you encounter in remote locations are A) Diesel powered and B) Toyotas.
Where reliability, range and torque are the priority, nothing else makes much sense.
Our Fortuner (4wd wagon based on the Toyota Hilux) has crossed the Simpson desert, towed a camper up to and all over Fraser Island and takes an annual trip to the Victorian high country. Rough roads and conditions that take their toll on any vehicle.
Diesel torque and low range 4x4, allied with a sensible right foot gets you past most challenges and gets you home again.
Fully agree Peter, this is more driven by politics than fact , especially when you consider the dubious environmental foot print of EVs
As a Dane and now a Pensioner, I have driven Diesel Cars since 1978, when I saw the light after a disastrously bad built BMW 320! I have passed 28 km/l on a full tank in my former car (I use a book calculating my consumption each time, when filling my tank), and I'm presently reaching 25 km rather often. I'm able to reach 1200 km on a tank and it takes about 5 minutes to fill it for another 1200 km (Try that, E.V.s!). As now soon to be 76, I don't care about any E.V. but expect my car to last my time!
Total cost of ownership for a diesel car is cheaper than the equivalent EV and the convenience level isn’t even close. Still waiting for an EV that can match the towing and driving range of our diesel. The solid state battery that Toyota is working on might be the solution.
My favorite diesel engine of all is the 2.4 5 pot what was fitted in Alfa Romeo 156’s what went from 136bhp then 140bhp then 150bhp then the Multijet ones came in what finally took the engine to 210bhp and went from the 156 into the 159 /Brera/ Spider .
That 5 Cylinder growl reminded me of the Audi Quattro.
Great engines economy & torque .
Out of a 2003 156 2.4 5 Cylinder 150bhp i was getting 840 miles per tank per month and i am sure the car could do more as the gauge was on 1/4 tank when i refilled it .
Excellent video once again.
Euro 6 has made diesel vehicles unreliable and is costing the owner a lot of money ( Jimmy O'Riley) on TH-cam is worth watching.
I love diesel myself and have driven different ones for 30 years . BMW X3 340d awesome