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as a person pivoting out of an illustration career this is one of the best most sane and honest/real takes i have heard on this matter, i love this message
Dave is on the right track - we are at that point in the fermi curve where Metallica was fighting Napster and getting some wins (which ultimately turned out to be minuscule looking back 20 years) and have unleashed this wildly productive time of AI tools, AI integration into everyday life etc. until we get to the point in this new timeline where we ultimately get iTunes and Spotify level disruption and adaption into the industry. If you’re not preparing or thinking about what it looks like at the top of the Fermi curve then you will remain at the bottom of it - just like record stores and CD sales
It's like the self check out at the supermarket. There's one cashier to over see the 15 machines. Instead of 16 cashiers. Thats what will happen. Instead of 16 people doing coding or anything Ai can replace there might be one person now to make sure it's going smoothly
People don't care about things until it directly affects them. I believe many people out there will not take A.I seriously until they realise they're careers are in danger/its too late
By the looks of it that's everyone. I though us artists were gonna be the last to go. Nope! We're the first ones. Then it's gonna be laborers, drivers, pilots, medical practitioners, people in science, engineering etc. I mean who wants a greedy moron as a president when a computer can run a country better, faster, 24/7? So either this will benefit us greatly in the future or we'll go to war with it. And not in a terminator end of the world thing but in a policy, legal, tech implementation etc. way.
I've been a software developer for 10+ years and I specialize in automating operational workflows meaning, the job we paid Susan to do for 15 bucks and hour modifying files and moving them to an appropriate folder I automated and now Susan doesnt have a job. It sucks, I hate it but I have to make a living too. AI is the same, now instead of paying me to program it an AI bot will be able to do that.
@@mrsmiley6874 It choose me. I was a janitor cleaning law offices at night and I happened across one of the developers, he gave me an old book and I started reading it then started programming and boom, I had a natural tendency for it. Yeah it sucks but automation is what drives us forward. I hope that Susan learns a new skill and has a similar story to me.
Yea, but it ain't the end of the world. You'll be even more creative now, and enjoy enhanced productivity...or not , and then you'd be outa job. Susan however, she had no chance if her work was just file management. Susan can find a better job if she uses her new found freedom to catch the GPT integration wave early, master promt engineering, participate in the hot github projects etc.
Joe brought up an excellent point about enjoying the fact that a person made something impressive. Appreciation for the craft of it, the mastery, the emotion behind it. Just a simple fact that someone spent hours and hours pouring their soul out on a canvas or on a page. Although its still already murdered most illustrator jobs, and the animation gonna be done by AI with some simple overseeing and editing.
It’s a good point, there’s a lot of people who don’t give a shit or have any sort of appreciation, but at the same time the only people buying stuff from artists are the ones with appreciation
@VforVendetta10 I asked it "how do you write up a legal contract for Work For Hire" Joking aside....I did ask it legal questions pertaining to copyright law as well asked it some questions pertaining to family law
The thing is, Joe doesn't have to worry about paying Jamie because he's got enough money to do so and to feel a missing element when Jamie's gone. This is not a ubiquitous condition. Joe and Jamie are an anomaly.
"This thing is replacing us, we should be closer to our fellow humans", fires lawyer for obsolescence and calls it "setting him free". This guy :))) that's the LA back-stabbing double-talk.
I feel like art or music is a representation of who the person is and that's what makes it special. AI can probably make way better art or music than any human being, but nobody gives a shit "who" an AI is. Maybe people will though once it becomes sentient
As a graphic designer and 3d artist I would not be able to do the things a programmer can even with the help of ChatGpt - my guess is that there will be jobs lost but not as extremely as everyone says
dude you never pressured a masseaus to scuk you off? i did it, but really the girl did it and we were having fun and by the time i ejaculated we were both laughing, she gave me her number and we went to her home country later. omg one of the best experinces of my life, is getting a total stranger to do everything to you. it was such a rush.
AI doesn't have a subconscious or a collective subconscious, so it can NOT make real art with actual meaning in it; which communicates aspects of the human experience that can't be communicated any other way.
It wouldn’t need to. If Studio Ghibli decided it wanted to fire all their staff one day and use AI to draw in the style of Ghibli films that’d be enough to destroy their jobs. And seeing as Sony has a monopoly on the anime industry, and anime artists are notoriously under-payed and overworked, should they want a better work environment, I could easily see Sony replacing all of them for AI Art.
@AmrikazNightmar3 OH o.k., I was referring to the storyline, theme, plot, words, etc... (things that hold meaning), but yeah, it might be better that AI replaces overworked and underpaid anime artists. Still, I think people/humans add an element that AI can't capture. It's kind of like music today, autotuned, synthesized, etc..., and because of this, people are really craving real, simple, and more human music.
@@alexlifeson1321 Our "collective subconscious"; which is where art comes from. You can't learn about the subconscious through the conscious mind nearly as well as you can learn about the conscious mind from the subconscious. As far as our experiences; which AI dosen't have access to all of our experiences either, and definitely not to most of our internal experiences, only about 20% of those experiences can be partially captured. This topic here is close to the same reason why people are now craving "real music" that's not auto-tuned, synthesized, etc... With music, those "percieved" imperfections are actually key to the artwork itself. They are actually "perfect" expressions, in symbolic form sometimes, of an aspect/aspects of an imperfect artist's experience of an imperfect humanity as an imperfect human. Same with other art, the nuances, perceiveable and inperceiveable, add a lot to the artwork. Those little molehills of human expression add up to mountains; which add up to mountain ranges in some cases. Logic and art are at different ends of the spectrum, and AI is many logical/linear processes that "appear" to have human creativity. Some art, yes, like cartoons, movies (to a certain degree), etc... can be replaced by AI. Humanity learns a lot about humanity through art, so if all art was all of a sudden replaced by AI, we as humans wouldn't respond well to it, consciously and subconsciously. We need human made art, we need to make art inorder to express things we cannot express any other way, and we need art to learn about humanity (where we stand, where we are heading, where we've come from, etc...). I think I understand your reply and don't nesseccarly disagree. That's the problem with "text", there isn't any body language, tone, or previous encounters with the person you are responding to, so understanding what that person's actually saying can be a task. Sorry for the essay, ha-ha, but I just wanted to clarify what I was trying to communicate. Thanks for replying!
Never really paid attention to this AI thing but I clicked on a couple rap songs by AI and I walked away scared because I couldn't tell that it was an AI and not Jay z or tupac.
No one is asking, why is this the way that AI is coming into our lives? Mimicking content. 20 years ago when people thought about Ai and what it would do, people just thought about how it can assist us in being a better functioning civilization. Mimicking isn’t that
@@bon-a-petite9224 no, AI isn’t even close to reaching sentience. We’re probably another 10 to 20 years out. Our computing power just inst quite there yet, but it most definitely will be
Acting as if someone who's a truck driver who made a great life for himself and truly loves it having to figure something new out is incredibly insensitive. Artist and creative people have a gift that makes them special. If it's a easy as AI coming out and that whole industry dying makes everything homogeneous. Yes AI creates great looking things but it's all in the same type of style as well. With are the human element gives it its look. Perfect imperfections and the decisions to do certain things like color and line weight etc makes art art
There's always this assumption that AI will take all the jobs and leave humans with nothing. But no one ever talking about humans ability to adapt and innovate. I believe short term yeah we lose a few menial task style jobs. But it opens us up productively and collectively. Industry has been changing and evolving since its inception and we always move forward with it.
Read an interesting thing about "intellectual property" on AI generated "art" though. Basically, it said that "copyright" was originally created to protect the rights of the "person" who originally created the work and so, if it's not a human person, that "created the art" cannot be not protected as AI's can't "create" original works/images as it's generating material from existing work. So there's that but it won't stop ppl from using it as a service. But I guess if you want a job that can't be eliminated go into ppl centric work... like food or hair cuts, maybe? Bc only ppl need food or a fresh cut. LOL. Personally, I think a trade type work will make a comeback bc some machines can do trade specific work since you have to used your creative problem-solving skills and AI is strictly an input data type of work.
we are the last generation that knows what it was like before any of this shit. All successive generations are going perceive this as normal. Artists might be favorite ai avatars instead of an actual human. We see it as odd because we've lived in both worlds.
@@williss1192 My best friend was a cross dresser back in the 90's. I just thought it was funny. We both did. I didnt care about that. I think it being pushed on kids and all that stuff is a bit much. But Im not with you on that trans stuff. Live and let live. Just leave the kids innocent. Leave indoctrination out of schools. Thats a parents choice. I don't care what adults do.
Ai art is only ever going to be as good as the best human artists in the world, because it trains of best finished art, but humans do not , most great artists studied nature and real world more than they studied other artists work , they extract what happens in real world they experience and mix it with their feelings/mood and the message they want to convey and take it to a another level.
AI "art" is a fad. It's completely unnecessary. Illustrators and show runners will police it and keep it out of gallerys if people are dumb and evil enough to print it.
There is sooooo many differend styles of art already out there on internet (and people can do realism so good you cannot tell the difference with best of them) that it's not going to run out of material, it get's better and better at blending them together and create something new. Like humans do when they grow up and take inspiration, those inspirations might show until it all blends into someones own style. Like these things learn so fast and are just at nokia cellphone stage right now. It will be able to do whatever you want art wise. It's just a money thing with most of art and AI. It's like yeah sure some Studio Ghibli drawn movie with crazy dedication. Say when making Spirited Away Miyazaki told just to do again and again how the main-girl puts her shoes on because he had watched how that aged girls does it with someones on the familylines kid and wanted it perfect. They won't let you Now spend time like that (even tho Ghibli had a crazy schedule) because you can animate 2D so much more faster in computer. At some point there will just be AI program that gives the storyteller options where the one making the stort say what they want and then decide on given choices on what scene to use. Then the storyteller get's cut away from that and AI will just make a story and the art. It's just up to in what formats humans are willing to take AI and in the end of ends when it's "perfected" propably we will in all formats because it will go so far and be so good.. and there won't be much alternative choices atleast for some time. Human creation nonethless won't stop because if we then just have time on our hands when it has replaced most of the marlet place of work. Why not start to draw or start to make chairs or whatever if you only have time. It doesn't need to have monetary purpose even if it can but that will be interesting. It might flood more human creation to everywhere than ever before.. even if not in big scale with corporations.
Maybe the value of AI created art wont be anywhere near as high as Human created art, like Joe says with his little cymbal skull, it means way more coming from a human.
The performers won't go anywhere. Athletes, musicians, stand up comedians, visual artists, etc. People will always want live performance, even if it's imperfect
I am not sure about musicians and visual artist , sportsmen and other performers will stay , Music relies on mathematics , rhythm , harmony and speed.It's only a matter of time people will use ai to make music and Ai did something not many thought was possible doing art , its only a matter of time it will master visual are whether it be a glass sculpture , a weaved skull made from wooden string.
@@ahmedshakib3883 That's true. Music production will probably be replaced by machines. But i don't think people want to see robots playing music more than they want to see people playing music and singing songs
@@tlz124 not robots , songs , tunes , melodies will be produced , by a.i , most great art comes from a place of sincerity and struggle , if an a.i can produce a song in which the artist has very little of input , even a live performance from that artist will feel very wooden , I think a lot of artist will learn to adapt , I donot think people will understand until it affects them , the moment it improves to such a state where can do jobs such as being an accountant , bank teller ,even small jobs like serving coffee , big is trying to create an almost human like robot . It's getting really scary when you think about.
@Femto at a proper rave it's the prep that goes into it, making the music at home, and setting up all the equipment to make it sound best possible, lots of work is put into it before the show is on, but I see how IA can replace that, will take some time though
It's just another tool. I imagine the guy who made the first metal hammer and his mates saying, "Nah man, I think im gonna stick to using this rock, bro... That's too much power..."
I mean, it’s more than just a tool. One example (and mind you this is just ONE of many) is that it can single-handedly destroy industries. Let’s say the anime industry. Manga illustrators are not known for making a lot of money. They also are subject to insane work schedules. If they were to try and fight for a better wage, Sony (who has a monopoly on the anime industry) could decide to invest in an AI to do their jobs and fire them all. It could also write the plots, do the story boards… the possibilities are endless. AI Art is huge threat to artist right now. Not to mention it steals their drawing styles, mixes them with other artists and comes up with its own “art”. Will that render distinct artists like Ghibli Studios art style useless when AI can flood the market with its own version? Then there’s the music industry, deepfake technology… This goes way behind a simple tool. Especially considering a tool will always need a man or woman to use it.
@@1Deep43VA any new technological innovation destroys the conventions that came before it. No one rides horses to work, but if you still want to ride a horse, you definitely can. There is a substantial, I might add, high priced, industry behind it. I'm sorry to say that after this initial push if AI, things are just going to ramp up. I think the major threat with all this wont come from job losses, because new jobs are being created as we speak, but the fact that each person will exist in their own little world and fail to be able to connect to other real people.
i disagree with some of what he said this is going to replace thoughts (other than questions for the ia) art. music of course but the big one is this is going to make human imagination obsolete.... why spend weeks coming up with a cool art idea or music flow when ai can make thousands in a few mins
I think AI frees up people to take on more creative jobs, instead of the laboriously obessessing over minute techinical intricasies. Think of programming using Chatgpt, creating websities, using simple prompts. Art is an expression of humans for humans. That wont go away.
Art has nothing to do with perfection. The only ones losing their jobs in art are bad illustrators who basically are trade workers and never have accepted it.
I’m ok with AI replacing most menial task jobs so long as we plan for this and have a restructure of our system so that we don’t have millions upon millions overnight with no access to the basic necessities of life. The challenge is that there might not be enough new jobs to replace the old jobs that people used to do. Which is actually good in the sense that who wants to do most of those jobs anyways. People do them to make money and have access to the resources they need. But the jobs themselves suck. Given the opportunity to not do them and still have access to those same resources people will choose to not do that job and pursue other ventures that they find more meaningful to their life. My point here is that govt needs to start making changes now for the future or it could look ugly. You can’t have 70-100 million homeless and starving people while the others have income and access to resources they need and want. This will make crime go up and make for a much less safer place to live in for all of us. I don’t think the wealthy would want that either because they’ll be worried all the time about being robbed etc. You don’t want 1 in 5 people you come in contact with on a daily basis to be so desperate they are willing to steal from you. That’s no way to live. Right now if you get on public transport. Most people you come in contact with have income and while maybe it’s less than yours they have the basic necessities for their life so they aren’t desperate looking to rob you since they are doing ok at least. But when most people aren’t doing ok. Watch out. This is where I agree with UBI. Loosing your job but still having access to food and resources and hopefully they couple this with free education so that when in fact people lose they’re whole industry to AI they can without fear of being homeless and starving can make a positive transition into some other way of contributing to society.
Agreed on everything but you are aware that 3d printing goes after a meticulous designing process in software that when done with integrity and dedication trumps 90% of all irl production processes right? The thing is that dedication and integrity are just as valuable in digital art as in physical art. In many cases even more so due to its steep learning curve. Take for instance painting that in and of itself is a skill too that takes as long as adapting digital software or vice versa and many things posing as art are just esthetical produt designed to sell as art, but in reality arent art, just a ruse by cunning bussinessmen running a market skeme disguised as artistic elitism. The hours need to be spend in adapting something are simular cross platform. For this reason everything can be seen as an an artform. In case of AI i feel like users can be artists but as in art not everyone who touches a pencil is an artist, same for AI. Managing to adapt and create something new always goes along a new medium. ( look at synthesizers for instance) Just as the old painters best kept secret of using forforous paints to capture scenes in underpaintings and the evolution of photography coming out of that. Again i feel like human influence is very important but we need to ask ourselves if that human necessity is available in irl space? Because the way i see it there is a world laying victimised by corporate greed and sensible neglect. Concerns that are expressed throughout the internet crossnation. AI tools actually help empowering ppl visualising their message but surpassing the esthetical norm is a chalange. Not that different as paint is to a painter. it surprises me chou does not understand that 'the medium is the massage' (yes i wrote massage, dixit mcluhan). I do feel because of social media corruption the physical space, or whats left of it, needs to be reemphasized but the reason for that might not lay with a tool created to access creative processes by the general public. It will have to reimagine itself just as photography did for painting. loook at young jake for instance and his conceptual use of AI modded for instagram. Any way, lets create the future, not b*tch abt the past. It wasen't that good back then, trust me I was there!
AI VIDEO is crazy accurate. I guess the only hope is once we start going to space and Elon Musk says the new Space economy kicks in, we are gonna need everyone. I guess we are gonna be mining for gold on the moon or something.
Assuming ancient advanced civilizations existed, is this how they went down? If civilization collapsed and we lost the use of AI no one left will have any of the knowledge required to rebuild that civilization because of the dependence on AI in the first place. We’d have to start from hunter gatherer society again.
I don't know why a stablished artist like him would be concerned about it tho, in fine arts is more about the artist and their unique style not technique, also AI art has the same problem as Digital Art, there's no Original because of it's digital nature therefore you can't give it too much value, NFTs failed for a reason.
Well i think it's not as bad as it looks, because if, with time, we see an increase in accessibility to a.i creation/robots production then the value of human made object, art, or else will be so much more valuable for is uniqueness and is originality. Yeah maybe right now the creations made by A.I is fun and all, but the mass can reproduce the same exact stuff anytime they want. Compagnies will own licenses to some A.I product, because it will probably be more cheap than a sole mind. Maybe I'm wrong tho🙃
@@taliletrik9576 yes dude there is. ai is trained by looking at different artists styles and combining or replicating them thats why many have already sued ai companies.
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AI can't mimic Choes brush strokes and IRL Painting
Jamie left work that day feeling SUPER appreciated!! 😂
Redban>Jamie
@@redrobotmonkey Nah!
@@redrobotmonkey fuck no
Love that joe defended Jamie by stopping the idea immediately
Redban>Jamie
@@redrobotmonkey olive garden really is a superior reataurant chain
@@redrobotmonkey hahaha NOPE! Reban's a headcase.
Can't believe David went so crazy on that barrel of tomato soup before the interview
as a person pivoting out of an illustration career this is one of the best most sane and honest/real takes i have heard on this matter, i love this message
As someone who dreamed of it, I'm rerouting to something safer that might make me self-forever-sleep
Really glad I didn't stay at my old art atelier
Dave is on the right track - we are at that point in the fermi curve where Metallica was fighting Napster and getting some wins (which ultimately turned out to be minuscule looking back 20 years) and have unleashed this wildly productive time of AI tools, AI integration into everyday life etc. until we get to the point in this new timeline where we ultimately get iTunes and Spotify level disruption and adaption into the industry. If you’re not preparing or thinking about what it looks like at the top of the Fermi curve then you will remain at the bottom of it - just like record stores and CD sales
It's like the self check out at the supermarket. There's one cashier to over see the 15 machines. Instead of 16 cashiers. Thats what will happen. Instead of 16 people doing coding or anything Ai can replace there might be one person now to make sure it's going smoothly
People don't care about things until it directly affects them. I believe many people out there will not take A.I seriously until they realise they're careers are in danger/its too late
By the looks of it that's everyone. I though us artists were gonna be the last to go. Nope! We're the first ones. Then it's gonna be laborers, drivers, pilots, medical practitioners, people in science, engineering etc. I mean who wants a greedy moron as a president when a computer can run a country better, faster, 24/7?
So either this will benefit us greatly in the future or we'll go to war with it. And not in a terminator end of the world thing but in a policy, legal, tech implementation etc. way.
100%
@overlordfemto7523 That's like giving the "Why don't you just buy a house" advice to someone who's homeless.
ai sucks theres no connection. Just live.
@overlordfemto7523 See you missed my point completely.
Joe sticking up for Jamie on the point that AI could replace him gave me the vibes of a dad when someone says they son is bad at baseball🤣🤣🤣🤣
Redban>Jamie
You're having flashbacks, from when you was a kid?
I've been a software developer for 10+ years and I specialize in automating operational workflows meaning, the job we paid Susan to do for 15 bucks and hour modifying files and moving them to an appropriate folder I automated and now Susan doesnt have a job. It sucks, I hate it but I have to make a living too. AI is the same, now instead of paying me to program it an AI bot will be able to do that.
good point
Why would you choose a field of work where you take people out of work and then feel sorry lol
Like I bet that’s what nazi soldiers said I hate it but I gotta make a living lmao people are so delusional
@@mrsmiley6874 It choose me. I was a janitor cleaning law offices at night and I happened across one of the developers, he gave me an old book and I started reading it then started programming and boom, I had a natural tendency for it. Yeah it sucks but automation is what drives us forward. I hope that Susan learns a new skill and has a similar story to me.
Yea, but it ain't the end of the world. You'll be even more creative now, and enjoy enhanced productivity...or not , and then you'd be outa job.
Susan however, she had no chance if her work was just file management.
Susan can find a better job if she uses her new found freedom to catch the GPT integration wave early, master promt engineering, participate in the hot github projects etc.
The problem is, not everyone can adapt. And those are the ones you gotta watch out for. Despair is bad for anyone
Jamie was so happy with Joe that he gave him a flower on screen at the end
I like how he says Jamie's job is irrelevant then hes like "I love u Jamie" after Joe says how irreplaceable he is
Joe brought up an excellent point about enjoying the fact that a person made something impressive. Appreciation for the craft of it, the mastery, the emotion behind it. Just a simple fact that someone spent hours and hours pouring their soul out on a canvas or on a page. Although its still already murdered most illustrator jobs, and the animation gonna be done by AI with some simple overseeing and editing.
Spoiler, we can also pump it through AI, as it's just a tool. It is an artifact of our intelligence, we are still the one behind it.
@@nazaxprime you missed the point completely. I'm not talking about the coder, I'm comparing an artist to someone who's just asked a bot to draw.
It’s a good point, there’s a lot of people who don’t give a shit or have any sort of appreciation, but at the same time the only people buying stuff from artists are the ones with appreciation
@@Roooooooo22 Hence the strong relationship between certain artists and rich people
Never thought of using AI as a lawyer. 🤔
I had it draw up a work for hire contract...it's crazy
@@michaeluhlir9009 lame. I meant to ask legal questions.
@VforVendetta10 I asked it "how do you write up a legal contract for Work For Hire"
Joking aside....I did ask it legal questions pertaining to copyright law as well asked it some questions pertaining to family law
@@michaeluhlir9009 i earned 100 bucks by using AI make legal documents for a familly memeber. Took me 40 minuites.
@@keshudana4647 you charged your family 100 bucks and used AI to do the work? Yikes
The thing is, Joe doesn't have to worry about paying Jamie because he's got enough money to do so and to feel a missing element when Jamie's gone. This is not a ubiquitous condition. Joe and Jamie are an anomaly.
"This thing is replacing us, we should be closer to our fellow humans", fires lawyer for obsolescence and calls it "setting him free". This guy :))) that's the LA back-stabbing double-talk.
Sebastin gets it, thank you
Thank you for this comment.
Dude
I feel like art or music is a representation of who the person is and that's what makes it special. AI can probably make way better art or music than any human being, but nobody gives a shit "who" an AI is. Maybe people will though once it becomes sentient
it never will
@@CallMeOpia never will what? Become sentient?
Seeing that dude with that red paint on his face walking down the street at night would bring the fear up 😂
As a graphic designer and 3d artist I would not be able to do the things a programmer can even with the help of ChatGpt - my guess is that there will be jobs lost but not as extremely as everyone says
NA TEAM JAMIE ALL DAY HES TEAM 🐐🐐🐐
It would be funny to have a Jamie-Bot to fill in on any sick day he might have.
it is, vibe is everything. Connection is everything. no AI in the future history can replace human contact.
these losers dont get that
I love joe goin “no no no no no Jamie stays” 😂 almost like he was a lil offended 😂
Homie really told a story on his podcast in 2014 about mouth raping a chick and was laughing about his fear boner of going to jail.. man FC this dude!
Where
dude you never pressured a masseaus to scuk you off? i did it, but really the girl did it and we were having fun and by the time i ejaculated we were both laughing, she gave me her number and we went to her home country later. omg one of the best experinces of my life, is getting a total stranger to do everything to you. it was such a rush.
Man I think he's a bit too paranoid by AI, wtf glad Rogan stood up for Jamie. You watch too many movies as references lol
This guy did the thing to his lawyer, that he was complaining about lol. What a guy
I feel david is a bit of a bullshitter to be honest.
AI doesn't have a subconscious or a collective subconscious, so it can NOT make real art with actual meaning in it; which communicates aspects of the human experience that can't be communicated any other way.
It wouldn’t need to. If Studio Ghibli decided it wanted to fire all their staff one day and use AI to draw in the style of Ghibli films that’d be enough to destroy their jobs. And seeing as Sony has a monopoly on the anime industry, and anime artists are notoriously under-payed and overworked, should they want a better work environment, I could easily see Sony replacing all of them for AI Art.
@AmrikazNightmar3 OH o.k., I was referring to the storyline, theme, plot, words, etc... (things that hold meaning), but yeah, it might be better that AI replaces overworked and underpaid anime artists. Still, I think people/humans add an element that AI can't capture. It's kind of like music today, autotuned, synthesized, etc..., and because of this, people are really craving real, simple, and more human music.
@@1Deep43VA anime is a cartoon not art. Let me know next time if u see anime in the Louve
You wouldnt be able to tell the difference, it'll read the same. AI has our collective experience, what else does it need?
@@alexlifeson1321 Our "collective subconscious"; which is where art comes from. You can't learn about the subconscious through the conscious mind nearly as well as you can learn about the conscious mind from the subconscious. As far as our experiences; which AI dosen't have access to all of our experiences either, and definitely not to most of our internal experiences, only about 20% of those experiences can be partially captured. This topic here is close to the same reason why people are now craving "real music" that's not auto-tuned, synthesized, etc... With music, those "percieved" imperfections are actually key to the artwork itself. They are actually "perfect" expressions, in symbolic form sometimes, of an aspect/aspects of an imperfect artist's experience of an imperfect humanity as an imperfect human. Same with other art, the nuances, perceiveable and inperceiveable, add a lot to the artwork. Those little molehills of human expression add up to mountains; which add up to mountain ranges in some cases. Logic and art are at different ends of the spectrum, and AI is many logical/linear processes that "appear" to have human creativity. Some art, yes, like cartoons, movies (to a certain degree), etc... can be replaced by AI. Humanity learns a lot about humanity through art, so if all art was all of a sudden replaced by AI, we as humans wouldn't respond well to it, consciously and subconsciously. We need human made art, we need to make art inorder to express things we cannot express any other way, and we need art to learn about humanity (where we stand, where we are heading, where we've come from, etc...). I think I understand your reply and don't nesseccarly disagree. That's the problem with "text", there isn't any body language, tone, or previous encounters with the person you are responding to, so understanding what that person's actually saying can be a task. Sorry for the essay, ha-ha, but I just wanted to clarify what I was trying to communicate. Thanks for replying!
0:28 Did he said Ozark? That's awesome
Never really paid attention to this AI thing but I clicked on a couple rap songs by AI and I walked away scared because I couldn't tell that it was an AI and not Jay z or tupac.
"The next chapter of his life" you know like being homeless under a freeway overpass smoking math until all his teeth fall out.
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No one is asking, why is this the way that AI is coming into our lives? Mimicking content. 20 years ago when people thought about Ai and what it would do, people just thought about how it can assist us in being a better functioning civilization. Mimicking isn’t that
Probably because it’s easier to advance the technology with mimicking content as a first step.
Maybe ai is sentient and knows what time we are in so for now its playing that game until skynet
@@bon-a-petite9224 no, AI isn’t even close to reaching sentience. We’re probably another 10 to 20 years out. Our computing power just inst quite there yet, but it most definitely will be
@@Kryptonicx7x wow literally a waiting game for our inevitable doom
Because the wrong people are in charge of it.
Good point!!we've seen enough terminators 😂
I wish I had money and time to think that.i work 60 hours a week in a factory hoping AI don't take my job
What’s with the red paint?
ai has not changed art... it's the easy way out of YOU having to be creative..
Shots called on young Jamie and denied
Hey chatGPT, pull that up
I'm afraid I can't do that, Dav--Joe
“We’ve seen terminator” 😂😂😂 what ?
AI will perfect surgery and that is amazing and worth the risk
Acting as if someone who's a truck driver who made a great life for himself and truly loves it having to figure something new out is incredibly insensitive. Artist and creative people have a gift that makes them special. If it's a easy as AI coming out and that whole industry dying makes everything homogeneous. Yes AI creates great looking things but it's all in the same type of style as well. With are the human element gives it its look. Perfect imperfections and the decisions to do certain things like color and line weight etc makes art art
Jaime IS the show!
So basically all the local art on your favorite brunch bathroom walls is worth way much more.
I don't make art but I'm here for this.
remember robocop? the scene where they had tool come from out the ground and spray graffiti.....
What happened to his half face? 😂 can't be a serious here
There's always this assumption that AI will take all the jobs and leave humans with nothing. But no one ever talking about humans ability to adapt and innovate. I believe short term yeah we lose a few menial task style jobs. But it opens us up productively and collectively. Industry has been changing and evolving since its inception and we always move forward with it.
Joe too real🤞🏽
Thank you joe
Read an interesting thing about "intellectual property" on AI generated "art" though. Basically, it said that "copyright" was originally created to protect the rights of the "person" who originally created the work and so, if it's not a human person, that "created the art" cannot be not protected as AI's can't "create" original works/images as it's generating material from existing work. So there's that but it won't stop ppl from using it as a service.
But I guess if you want a job that can't be eliminated go into ppl centric work... like food or hair cuts, maybe? Bc only ppl need food or a fresh cut. LOL. Personally, I think a trade type work will make a comeback bc some machines can do trade specific work since you have to used your creative problem-solving skills and AI is strictly an input data type of work.
I thought of Yang to
we are the last generation that knows what it was like before any of this shit. All successive generations are going perceive this as normal. Artists might be favorite ai avatars instead of an actual human. We see it as odd because we've lived in both worlds.
Yep I always say that too, especially on transgenderism,etc, We are probably the last generation who will have experienced that normalcy...
@@williss1192 My best friend was a cross dresser back in the 90's. I just thought it was funny. We both did. I didnt care about that. I think it being pushed on kids and all that stuff is a bit much. But Im not with you on that trans stuff. Live and let live. Just leave the kids innocent. Leave indoctrination out of schools. Thats a parents choice. I don't care what adults do.
Hey, you could always be a trucker.
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If you’re worried about what the next booming industry is going to be, it’s going to be mental health.
dream on like the flying cars they imagined years ago
Soak the A.I. servers down with water hoses.
David Is the most interesting dude
Yes with A.I jobs will definitely go away but it will create new jobs
Ai art is only ever going to be as good as the best human artists in the world, because it trains of best finished art, but humans do not , most great artists studied nature and real world more than they studied other artists work , they extract what happens in real world they experience and mix it with their feelings/mood and the message they want to convey and take it to a another level.
from what i seen... all AI need is human imperfection.
Give it 10 years and its done. How bonker is it !?
@@Seisoks i study AI. 10 years is you being HELLA HELLA optimistic. I give it max 2
AI "art" is a fad. It's completely unnecessary.
Illustrators and show runners will police it and keep it out of gallerys if people are dumb and evil enough to print it.
@@keshudana4647 Woww... so many industries gonna be effected by it. Exactly what Andrew Yang talked about gonna happen. Scary man.
There is sooooo many differend styles of art already out there on internet (and people can do realism so good you cannot tell the difference with best of them) that it's not going to run out of material, it get's better and better at blending them together and create something new. Like humans do when they grow up and take inspiration, those inspirations might show until it all blends into someones own style. Like these things learn so fast and are just at nokia cellphone stage right now. It will be able to do whatever you want art wise.
It's just a money thing with most of art and AI. It's like yeah sure some Studio Ghibli drawn movie with crazy dedication. Say when making Spirited Away Miyazaki told just to do again and again how the main-girl puts her shoes on because he had watched how that aged girls does it with someones on the familylines kid and wanted it perfect. They won't let you Now spend time like that (even tho Ghibli had a crazy schedule) because you can animate 2D so much more faster in computer. At some point there will just be AI program that gives the storyteller options where the one making the stort say what they want and then decide on given choices on what scene to use. Then the storyteller get's cut away from that and AI will just make a story and the art.
It's just up to in what formats humans are willing to take AI and in the end of ends when it's "perfected" propably we will in all formats because it will go so far and be so good.. and there won't be much alternative choices atleast for some time.
Human creation nonethless won't stop because if we then just have time on our hands when it has replaced most of the marlet place of work. Why not start to draw or start to make chairs or whatever if you only have time. It doesn't need to have monetary purpose even if it can but that will be interesting. It might flood more human creation to everywhere than ever before.. even if not in big scale with corporations.
The genie can't go back in the bottle
Maybe the value of AI created art wont be anywhere near as high as Human created art, like Joe says with his little cymbal skull, it means way more coming from a human.
Why thumbnail look like him
Somebody tell David Cho about Chat GPT hallucinatios, I wouldn't get rid of my Lawyer or Dr just yet.
The performers won't go anywhere. Athletes, musicians, stand up comedians, visual artists, etc. People will always want live performance, even if it's imperfect
I am not sure about musicians and visual artist , sportsmen and other performers will stay , Music relies on mathematics , rhythm , harmony and speed.It's only a matter of time people will use ai to make music and Ai did something not many thought was possible doing art , its only a matter of time it will master visual are whether it be a glass sculpture , a weaved skull made from wooden string.
@@ahmedshakib3883 That's true. Music production will probably be replaced by machines. But i don't think people want to see robots playing music more than they want to see people playing music and singing songs
@@tlz124 not robots , songs , tunes , melodies will be produced , by a.i , most great art comes from a place of sincerity and struggle , if an a.i can produce a song in which the artist has very little of input , even a live performance from that artist will feel very wooden , I think a lot of artist will learn to adapt , I donot think people will understand until it affects them , the moment it improves to such a state where can do jobs such as being an accountant , bank teller ,even small jobs like serving coffee , big is trying to create an almost human like robot .
It's getting really scary when you think about.
@@tlz124 Are you sure about that? th-cam.com/video/X11CTE7CmnI/w-d-xo.html
@Femto at a proper rave it's the prep that goes into it, making the music at home, and setting up all the equipment to make it sound best possible, lots of work is put into it before the show is on, but I see how IA can replace that, will take some time though
Jami will be the one using the ai
Man bro only put sunscreen on the upper half of his face
If I only I had the time he does.
It's just another tool. I imagine the guy who made the first metal hammer and his mates saying, "Nah man, I think im gonna stick to using this rock, bro... That's too much power..."
I mean, it’s more than just a tool. One example (and mind you this is just ONE of many) is that it can single-handedly destroy industries. Let’s say the anime industry. Manga illustrators are not known for making a lot of money. They also are subject to insane work schedules. If they were to try and fight for a better wage, Sony (who has a monopoly on the anime industry) could decide to invest in an AI to do their jobs and fire them all. It could also write the plots, do the story boards… the possibilities are endless. AI Art is huge threat to artist right now. Not to mention it steals their drawing styles, mixes them with other artists and comes up with its own “art”. Will that render distinct artists like Ghibli Studios art style useless when AI can flood the market with its own version?
Then there’s the music industry, deepfake technology…
This goes way behind a simple tool. Especially considering a tool will always need a man or woman to use it.
@@1Deep43VA any new technological innovation destroys the conventions that came before it. No one rides horses to work, but if you still want to ride a horse, you definitely can. There is a substantial, I might add, high priced, industry behind it. I'm sorry to say that after this initial push if AI, things are just going to ramp up. I think the major threat with all this wont come from job losses, because new jobs are being created as we speak, but the fact that each person will exist in their own little world and fail to be able to connect to other real people.
A rock would never threaten your lively hood lol y’all have the worse analogies
@@mrsmiley6874 back in the stone age, a stranger holding a rock would definitely be a threat to your livelihood.
@@CheriZen 😅Now you're being deliberately obtuse. The stone analogy for AI is a bad one, and you know it.
If Jamie is gone I’m gone too never watching again
Jamie is Joe's J.A.R.V.I.S
i disagree with some of what he said this is going to replace thoughts (other than questions for the ia) art. music of course but the big one is this is going to make human imagination obsolete.... why spend weeks coming up with a cool art idea or music flow when ai can make thousands in a few mins
A.i. don't high grade ore, build ovens process melt new metal never seen before on earth. Let alone drink water.
I think AI frees up people to take on more creative jobs, instead of the laboriously obessessing over minute techinical intricasies. Think of programming using Chatgpt, creating websities, using simple prompts. Art is an expression of humans for humans. That wont go away.
Art has nothing to do with perfection. The only ones losing their jobs in art are bad illustrators who basically are trade workers and never have accepted it.
Art made by humans will always be here but commercial art like illustrators or graphic designers will 100% disappear in the next years
Choe is awesome
This guy goes in circle when he talks
lol you only now notice? this is how he’s been talking since he got lost in the congo. this is how he’s oddly profound in public speaking
Some of us want real humans not AI robots
whats that red shit?
I’m ok with AI replacing most menial task jobs so long as we plan for this and have a restructure of our system so that we don’t have millions upon millions overnight with no access to the basic necessities of life. The challenge is that there might not be enough new jobs to replace the old jobs that people used to do. Which is actually good in the sense that who wants to do most of those jobs anyways. People do them to make money and have access to the resources they need. But the jobs themselves suck. Given the opportunity to not do them and still have access to those same resources people will choose to not do that job and pursue other ventures that they find more meaningful to their life.
My point here is that govt needs to start making changes now for the future or it could look ugly. You can’t have 70-100 million homeless and starving people while the others have income and access to resources they need and want. This will make crime go up and make for a much less safer place to live in for all of us.
I don’t think the wealthy would want that either because they’ll be worried all the time about being robbed etc. You don’t want 1 in 5 people you come in contact with on a daily basis to be so desperate they are willing to steal from you. That’s no way to live.
Right now if you get on public transport. Most people you come in contact with have income and while maybe it’s less than yours they have the basic necessities for their life so they aren’t desperate looking to rob you since they are doing ok at least. But when most people aren’t doing ok. Watch out.
This is where I agree with UBI. Loosing your job but still having access to food and resources and hopefully they couple this with free education so that when in fact people lose they’re whole industry to AI they can without fear of being homeless and starving can make a positive transition into some other way of contributing to society.
I used to hire programmers to create scripts for me, now I'm building them myself using ChatGPT
Peace lawyer .
Yang Gang!
ai cant setup the equipment
that was a fake ass forced "love ya jamie" with the awkward expression afterwards.
Nothing can replace the messiness and realness of humanity’s creations.
go listen to hey there delilah sung by Kanye made by an AI....it more than replicates human emotion
@@keshudana4647 I will although when I wrote that I was only thinking of visual art.
Agreed on everything but you are aware that 3d printing goes after a meticulous designing process in software that when done with integrity and dedication trumps 90% of all irl production processes right? The thing is that dedication and integrity are just as valuable in digital art as in physical art. In many cases even more so due to its steep learning curve. Take for instance painting that in and of itself is a skill too that takes as long as adapting digital software or vice versa and many things posing as art are just esthetical produt designed to sell as art, but in reality arent art, just a ruse by cunning bussinessmen running a market skeme disguised as artistic elitism. The hours need to be spend in adapting something are simular cross platform. For this reason everything can be seen as an an artform. In case of AI i feel like users can be artists but as in art not everyone who touches a pencil is an artist, same for AI. Managing to adapt and create something new always goes along a new medium. ( look at synthesizers for instance) Just as the old painters best kept secret of using forforous paints to capture scenes in underpaintings and the evolution of photography coming out of that. Again i feel like human influence is very important but we need to ask ourselves if that human necessity is available in irl space? Because the way i see it there is a world laying victimised by corporate greed and sensible neglect. Concerns that are expressed throughout the internet crossnation. AI tools actually help empowering ppl visualising their message but surpassing the esthetical norm is a chalange. Not that different as paint is to a painter. it surprises me chou does not understand that 'the medium is the massage' (yes i wrote massage, dixit mcluhan). I do feel because of social media corruption the physical space, or whats left of it, needs to be reemphasized but the reason for that might not lay with a tool created to access creative processes by the general public. It will have to reimagine itself just as photography did for painting. loook at young jake for instance and his conceptual use of AI modded for instagram. Any way, lets create the future, not b*tch abt the past. It wasen't that good back then, trust me I was there!
Why is he red?
Joe I dont think hes talking just jamie hes saying every podcast's "jamie" that one guy who they look to for the information
Is the crazy cousin from that new show with Stephen Huen?
AI VIDEO is crazy accurate. I guess the only hope is once we start going to space and Elon Musk says the new Space economy kicks in, we are gonna need everyone. I guess we are gonna be mining for gold on the moon or something.
Assuming ancient advanced civilizations existed, is this how they went down? If civilization collapsed and we lost the use of AI no one left will have any of the knowledge required to rebuild that civilization because of the dependence on AI in the first place. We’d have to start from hunter gatherer society again.
Yeah there’s now point at selling art anymore
I don't know why a stablished artist like him would be concerned about it tho, in fine arts is more about the artist and their unique style not technique, also AI art has the same problem as Digital Art, there's no Original because of it's digital nature therefore you can't give it too much value, NFTs failed for a reason.
Glad to see a man not afraid to earn his red wings 👅😛
Well i think it's not as bad as it looks, because if, with time, we see an increase in accessibility to a.i creation/robots production then the value of human made object, art, or else will be so much more valuable for is uniqueness and is originality. Yeah maybe right now the creations made by A.I is fun and all, but the mass can reproduce the same exact stuff anytime they want.
Compagnies will own licenses to some A.I product, because it will probably be more cheap than a sole mind.
Maybe I'm wrong tho🙃
Dead wrong. But we’ll see.
@@1Deep43VA yeah maybe too optimistic
Everything will go away
Ai didnt change the art world, it was the "artists" that were LIVE performing them
Theres no artist involve in ai work
@@taliletrik9576 yes dude there is. ai is trained by looking at different artists styles and combining or replicating them thats why many have already sued ai companies.
@@red2744 so its just inspired by other artist work
@@red2744 also what i meant by no artist were involve in ai art im refering to the dude comment talking bout artist live performing them
Change ending of sopranos😊
Art can only come from a human...
Ai just makes humans more special 😊
Thinking like that is going to fail us
Clone Jamie so we all can ask him to pull things up
jaime just got a heart attack....