I was in the military for six years and law enforcement for eight years. I became a substitute teacher three years ago and - WOW!! I’ve never felt less safe at a job😳
@@mikelisteral7863 Wow...you must really hate women. I saw you commenting negatively toward women on the other teacher video also. If they are single moms, where are the dads? The dads need to take responsibility too.
@@catwhisperer1253 that's why people shouldn't have sex until married to someone who will take care of the child. Or someone you know you WILL marry and will agree to marry you. People shouldn't have casual sex at all.
@@yelloe As a Christian, I agree with you. However, that is not the reality in our world. Sadly, even people who waited to have sex until they were married, sometimes get divorced and/or run away from their child responsibilities. Nothing is guaranteed.
I homeschool my kids too. I work full time and come home and homeschool them. It can work for parents that think they cant homeschool because they work.
@jon doe - Honestly, I think home schooled parents should just get half funding - provided that their children perform at or above grade level in several benchmarks. If the school spends $10,000 per kid per year, then you get $5,000 for home schooling on the condition that your child meets grade level expectations.
I feel great sympathy for teachers. There's no family or home structure left. Teachers don't have a chance trying to "teach" these little monsters. Our society is too far gone now.
First year teacher, elementary music. If I’m truly expected to raise children who are not mine, they are my dependents. I will claim them and get a nice tax deduction. That should be a thing, although I’m sure specials teachers will get the shaft. We always do.
Cure to the problem: child doesnt leave that room until it's cleaned up and exactly as it was before. Parents to be held responsible for reimbursement for items broken.
@Trad Dog You're right, actually. The child should be held responsible for his own actions...not the parents... He should be made to work at the school, after school for a few hrs a day at minimum wage until he can pay for it. That would definitely straighten him out!
If I'm the teacher, I want the kid out of my classroom ASAP. The kid has just destroyed a classroom and scared the crap out of the other students and probably their teacher. Please explain the process for getting the little tyrant to clean up the room without inviting a continued meltdown.
@@ironman2326 While I agree that these kids should be held accountable for their actions, some of these disruptive kids are in elementary school and middle school (ages 6-15); I've seen a few reports of some being in kindergarten. From a .gov site: "Federal child labor law generally prohibits the employment of minors in nonagricultural occupations under the age of 14, restricts the hours and types of work that can be performed by minors under 16, and prohibits the employment of minors under the age of 18 in any hazardous occupation." These days, working in a classroom can be considered hazardous. The kids need serious interventions outside the classroom, not janitorial duties.
Great idea! And who will survey the disruptive kid certainly being very eager to clean up the mess? You? The parents who are part of the problem? The teacher can't because s/he has (to prepare for) the next lessons. The idea is great, but needs manpower!
These children who do this should not be allowed to stay in the classroom to do this, not only because it is unfair to the rest of the students and teacher, but because the child should NOT be allowed to destroy public property like that. The child is only being enabled and the right to destroy property that does not belong to them is being reinforced. They belong in a room with next to nothing in it.
Totally agree. Not sure why they're allowing kids to get away with violence and destruction of property. When I was in grade school back in the 80's, we had only one guy teacher who teaches 6th grade and every student was afraid of him. Any student in that school who misbehaved were sent to that guy teacher to be disciplined which I'm sure prevented many potential problems. This leads me to think that women are prone to be less strict with kids, perhaps even enabling them. My 7th grade teacher allowed her students to trash her class, steal her stuff at her desk and all she did was yelled at the kids. The word she yelled out in class the most was, "insubordination!."
Well Yeah I agree with that if they're actually destroying property or doing things that can injure someone. To be honest I'd understand this approach if the students were only throwing stuff like books and pencils on the floor and on the desks and stuff. However once that student starts throwing chairs across the room or starts tearing things up is when you need to intervene because those actions can definitely hurt someone and it isn't fair to the other kids if they have to leave the classroom just because another student is throwing chairs.
@@goldenrule3261 there is a hierarchy of fear. Teachers fear their admin. Admin fears the school board. School board fears parents. Parents fear their kids. Kids fear no one.
@@callmeangie867 I've been a substitute for 4 years. I just disagree with that second to last part: "Parents fear their kids". I don't think most parents fear their kids; I think they spoil them. I've never had to deal with so many spoiled brats in my life, as well as the overgrown children (i.e., the parents) who are supposed to be raising them.
@@thehighllama8101 I think it’s a different kind of fear, fear that their child won’t love them or even like them if they as parents don’t attend to their child’s every whim.
Finland consistently is ranked number 1 in the world for Education . They have very few behavioral issues in their schools. Their classroom teachers were asked how is that possible. Their answer was simple, " In Finland, education and teacher's are highly respected by everyone in our country".
Who lives in Finland? 99.9% Finnish people. Who lives in America ? Every country on the planet has people who live here in USA. It's quite a difference .
This is the same as a sanctuary city. It's a sanctuary classroom. The rule breaker is coddled and the good students are made to leave their class and go to another class and not be educated. Insane. Take the disruptive student out of the class, by force of a resource officer if need be and put him in detention untill his or her parents come to pick them up and while the parents are there they can help their "little Angel" clean up the room(and pay damages). If not then they can find their child a different school. The good teachers are not going to tolerate this, they will leave or change professions. Wake up school districts.
Exactly!!!! As I teacher, I have seen this first hand. Coddle the problem child, entitle him or her, and make the responsible students alter, change and tolerate a chaotic environment. This is the norm!
If they disrupt classes, remove them from the classrom, so that the good ones can focus on learning. Problem solved! Oooh, that's right. According to the law, teachers are not allowed to touch or even talk back to those kids that causes this mess. What do we do then? Throw money at it? No. Homeschooling/charter schools. Hell yes.
How did students devolve to this behavior? Never a room clear when I was in school. Do our children really have so many psychological issues now that we really have no control short of a special school or a mental institution? It is simply not fair to the kids who don't act out and disrupt. I have been in several room clear situations as an aide, and it is traumatic for the innocent students, and for the teachers trying to protect them.
I’ve started teaching this year as an elementary music teacher. I’ve had to have a few room clears and it’s ridiculous. Growing up, I cannot recall ever needing a room clear.
Mental illness is skyrocketing throughout the US, most likely due to a combination of cultural experiments we've subjected ourselves to. I worked in the school system a few years ago and what I saw was that lack of fathers, often leads to abandonment trauma and poor supervision at home. This in turn led to children being more at risk for running the streets, encountering predators, drugs, pornography, and other bad influences at a very early age (many while still in elementary school). This, of course led to more trauma, a sharp decline in social-emotional development and increasingly aggressive and inappropriate behaviors. To the point where we had 5th and 6th grade boys trying to molest 4th graders in the bathrooms. Not to mention the slew of emotionally disturbed mental disorders in an increasing percent of the student body. All in all, the hyper sexualization of the culture and a movement away from emphasizing the importance of a supportive, stable and engaged family structure has led to complete disaster.
This is happening everywhere. Teachers that have an angry student have to get 30 other students away from the one out of control student and are not allowed to touch anyone. There has to be a better way!!
Maybe returning the Bible to the classroom and teaching the kids about God as their loving creator who has given us rules about how to live together in harmony with one another. Maybe teaching the kids how to pray and ask for self control and love for others ... Nah...that would never work...
@@mikelisteral7863 Wow...you must really hate women. I saw you commenting negatively toward women on the other teacher video also. If they are single moms, where are the dads? The dads need to take responsibility too.
OUTRAGEOUS!! These trouble-making kids will be in for a BIG surprise when they grow up and go out into the real world and finally learn that there are real consequences for their bad behavior.
No they won't. They will be on TH-cam videos screaming at the cops and resisting arrest. And their mama and the press will say they were good kids working on their GED and trying to turn their lives around but the bad police shot his even thou he dindunufin.
It's not the KID's fault! They are the product of the lack of parenting, consequence, attention, care! Parents need to do their job! 35 kids in one room is just stacking, not teaching! Teachers need to be supported by admin, principals, boards, supertintendents. They must be allowed to do the job they love! They must be respected as the professionals they are!
In 2009, I went back to school and completed my Master's in Elementary Education with honors and have over 15 years teaching experience. I am a single mother who was raising 2 children while finishing my Master's. In 2017, I was offered 38,000 dollars a year at Catholic elementary school in Jersey City. Along with my whole class teaching , I was also responsible for running the 2 biggest fund raisers for the school, the Scholastic Book Fairs for fall and spring, plus was responsible for the sacraments of penance and first communion( (which included weekend non-paid working). I easily worked over 60 hours every week, including most of every Sunday prepping for the new week with lesson plans, grading homework, etc. While teaching there, I developed high blood pressure and started having anxiety attacks. I lasted 2 years and had to leave from declining health due to stress. The principal was ruthless and critical on all my alternative teaching styles. I had children in my class that clearly needed pull out services, but didn't get them. Teachers are so underpaid and overworked. It is such a stressful job. I would never encourage any young person I know to go into teaching. It is a thankless profession and burnout is fast and furious.
I am a teacher. My heartfelt advice for good parents who care about their children's wellbeing, learning and development: Homeschool. Unfortunately, I spend 70% of my workday fixing bad parenting, 40% on instruction (on a good day). After 7 years, it's getting worse. My goal is to make it to ten years but I'm starting to lose faith in society.
This is upside down! Throw the troublemakers out. They need to open the reform schools up again. Sanitariums need to be brought back as well. Normal students do NOT need to be in the same place with those who have mental disorders!!! Teachers did NOT sign up for this crap. This is why we have a serious teacher shortage in this country. Honestly, who wants to deal with this?! Parents, homeschool your kids!
My mom would put my sorry ass in the ground if I caused problems like this. And you’re right. I did not take out loans to go through years of school and be trampled.
What the?! Wow. When I was in school the teacher would have restrained the kid, picked them up and carried them to the office way before things got that out of hand. Plus, the kids knew that, which kept it from happening. The school called the parents and then the kid was really in trouble. Parents now sue if the teacher looks at their kid in even a perceived negative way, and forget about physical contact. The teacher is at risk, not the child now thanks to parents and legal situations. I've just recently started watching videos about this. I'm shocked.
@Twin Mommy Agreed. As a mother and a teacher, the lack of discipline and teaching of respect for others is the norm. I am disgusted at the stuff I see in public places. Little children are little tyrants whose parents coddle and fear them. It is incredible, little 5 and 6 year olds' running and ruling the family.
@Trad Dog Well, I didn't anticipate the statement to be taken literally, like saying people will sue at the drop of a hat but I've never seen a lawsuit over a dropped hat either. It is a very litigious culture and there has been a huge shift in the power dynamics and the nature of discipline in schools. Schools do get sued as do teachers. Not all schools are public with government workers. More likely a teacher can lose their job over parents' complaints about perceived slights experienced by their children that dont involve physical contact. It's happened a friend of mine. I also talk with teachers regularly at my work and hear story upon story about how much their hands are tied in dealing with children in their classes and there is a looming threat of legal and/or disciplinary action from the parents or school respectively with actions taken to maintain order. These videos are great examples. A child loses it in the classroom and everyone else has to leave rather than address the child with the problem? That hasn't become the procedure because everyone thinks it's a great idea to let a kid destroy public property. The legal risk of intervention is too great. If the student says they freaked out because of how the teacher talked to them or acted towards them (how they looked at them), then the teacher can be seen as the cause of the event by the parents, and thus the school. Parents just don't have the teacher's backs like they used to and are more likely to blame the teacher and school than their own child and their parenting. Hopefully that makes my use of expressions in my previous comments more clear. Definitely wasn't saying that a teacher could get sued for looking at a student cross eyed or something like that.
It used to be if a students acted like this this went right to the principal's office. Next time suspended for 3 days. Next time, 2 weeks. The next time, GET OUT. Move to another town that will take you. Nobody wants you there. THAT'S ALL FOLKS.
Now state and federal law prohibits expulsions because it denies children their free education... nevermind how it impacts the children who are trying to learn.
1:43 “Imagine your child is in one of those rooms”. My 22 years of teaching in the public schools tells me that, chances are, your child IS in one of those rooms.
That happened to me when I was in 4th grade. A kid named Noah had an angry episode, he was throwing chairs, flipping desks, etc. It was traumatizing. This kid- oh God he had anger issues. It was a scary experience.
Parents need to he held accountable. As soon as my son started showing aggression we did something about it. We took him to see a neurologist and the problem was solved. Sometimes parents may not know what to do to get their child the help they need. But as parents you have to try and find a solution that way no one is hurt. Once someone is hurt you cant take it back and saying I'm sorry is way too late
You are a responsible parent. But many parents do not want to acknowledge it. Be it because they are embarrassed or because by acknowledging it they now need to do something about it. However many schools no longer mandate the parent to find a solution. Therefore the school puts up with it. However that helps no one. Mandating that a parent look into helping their aggressive child so that they can stay at school is taking care of everyone. The aggressive student and his peers. The other students can suffer trauma just being part of that environment. Every child has the right to learn in a safe environment. Any aggressive children are welcome back once they are safe. Unfortunately many schools believe keeping them out until they are better is taking away their right to an education. Every child has a right to learn in a safe environment.
It's mostly neuro-behavioral problems in kids whose parents use drugs. Little elementary schoolers have hours long, uncontrollable rages for no reason. I was shaken up the first time I experienced it.
yep, this ! i worked with many kids and adults in my life in the social services and disabilities services sectors; that were like this and similar, im so sick of people saying, they need harsh punishment, they need whippins', etc.; and as tempting as it is, the last thing they needs is whuppins, 99 percent of the kids ( and young adults ) who were like this were the ones who got whupped and all that, or who were completely ignore -- ( bad attention is better than no attention right? ), and this is oftentimes how the parents acted towards the kids and other family members, even with other people out in public, its learned behavior, it can also be mal-adaptive behavior with kids who are very reactive, prone to outburst due to various levels of abuse, also their is legit special needs that often go un-DX'd or get mis-DX'd, all behavior is communication, find out the root cause, and find out what they are trying to communicate, and nip it in the bud before things escalate to these type situations, and as much as possible try to redirect and de-escalate when you see a person getting upset or triggered. this is only a very short vid, and we dont know most of the back story or what set her off but she is clearly in need of counseling and communication, anger and social skills therapy to start with. and discipline means to teach, not to hit, strike or otherwise punish, and yes they need consequences, but they also need better mental health screening and pro active mandatory mental health treatment needs to be brought back ! many of these kids are in fact mentally ill, they suffer from abuse or neglect at home, they are often with no healthy outlets to give them focus, goals, a sense of accomplishment and healthy pride of place and self these kids are frustrated and they lash out, and lets not forget there are also fairly common issues with teachers bullying and agitating, humiliating students, and in turn they can only take so much, and boom, they lash out. its a complex and dynamic issue with many causes .
I work in early childhood education. I truly believe that some of this can decrease if there was more emphasis placed on early childhood development and parent engagement by building positive teacher-parent relationships. There also needs to be more mental health staff that specialize in child behavior working with schools, because American children experience and are exposed to trauma in so many ways that it affects their behavior now and in the future. Don't blame the children - it is adults that are to blame.
The laws and rules are set up to give the problem children the advantage. In my generation, if you pulled this sort of crap, the teacher would snatch you by the collar and YOU would leave the room!
Yeah, my late father went to Catholic schools, and so did my mom. Those nuns weren’t to be toyed around with! They’d hit you with a ruler, then if you were still disruptive the head master or principal if you were in public schools would paddle you. Then mom would spank you when you got home, finally dad would spank you a time when he got home. Then you lost all privileges as well as going to bed without dinner. One of the teachers my late father had was a brother as they were called back then. He hit a kid with a book and bongo drummed his head off the wall. Nowadays that is called abuse! Fah! They didn’t abuse the children back then just hit you hard enough for it to hurt, but not bruise or injure. That needs to be bought back. Finally if the parents were made to financially compensate the school they’d stop that behavior in a heartbeat. I guarantee you.
Positive Behavior Intervention System (PBIS) is such a scam. It is horribly counterproductive because the problem kids get the special attention, and the moderate kids see the attention and turn bad. Change my mind.
I work at a Child Development Center on base and interact with preschoolers and younger. I cannot stress enough how important it is for children to learn how to handle their emotions and good behaviors BEFORE THE AGE OF 5! I've been slapped, bitten, spat at etc by these young kids and I can't do anything about it. We let the parents know the resources we have for the children and very few heed the advice. By the time they enter school, it is too late. They lack the coping and socio-emotional skills needed when they are in a classroom.
@Barry Boppins Little Tyrone LaQuavious Mussafah Washington simply did not want juice and cookies during morning break, trashed three classroom until he got his Snack Pack...only to chuck it at the fugg'n wall!
Teachers should REFUSE to teach in Oregon. Make these parents teach their own MONSTERS-at least the ones that are being disruptive. Throw something or put your hands on anybody just ONE time and you’re out!
Classroom clears are not the answer. The students that want to learn are being punished by having to leave their classroom while no one is allowed to touch the unruly student. Then the well-behaved students must return to a classroom that has been torn apart. This is trauma for the well-behaved students. I would like to know who cleans up the big mess? Are there any real consequences for the out of control child?
I used to have deal with these kind of insane school environments. And trust me, the pictures don't do it justice. It's disturbing and sometimes dangerous depending on how large the children are. One of my co teachers had her wrist broken by a student in several places. He received no real punishment of course. Spent a couple of days playing video games at home and then came back to terrorize everyone yet again. So glad I left!!!
If I was a teacher I would literally get fired in 5 minutes because I wouldn't put up with that shit. I would pick the kid up and slam him in his seat and tell him to sit there and don't move again and then actually make that threat have consequences, or pick him up and drag him to the principal's office myself and leave him there until his parents come and get him. I don't put up with that crap. And neither do my siblings, whose children wouldn't dare do this.
@@mybraineatseverything7404 well yea but I’m j saying I get parents reasonably spanking a kid but other people just kick them out that’s not what you signed up for, and once they 16+ you gotta be semi treated like an adult bc adults don’t get spanked for acting out at work etc they j get fired so if they act out give a warning and if they do again than just throw them out but that’s just my opinion
Years ago i had to go to the front of the class to be punished. The teacher used a ruler and wop my open hand a couple of times. That straighten me up real quick. Model student the whole year
We lived on the N Oregon coast in the 90’s, small community and the public schools THEN were no place I would trust to watch over my dog. We homeschooled and we thank God we did. AND THAT was a very rural county that considered itself “conservative!”
This is why people need to homeschool and stop pawning their children off on other people. People could afford to be a one parent household if they quit living above their means and learn self discipline in their spending and learn to manage money. It isn't right for parents who actually teach and discipline their children to have to be worried about the bad behavior of children whose parents are too lazy to be a parent and for the teachers to have to try to "redirrect" these heathens without touching them. These children are criminals.
God says otherwise, but unfortunately people don't really care what God says. Lots of things have been around for centuries, it doesn't make them right. If God commands parents to bring up their children and raise their children, which He does, then all parents are qualified and capable. If you're smart enough to work a secular job you are smart enough to teach your kids. People are just too lazy and care more about material things than their kids. God knows better than anyone. Kids are less socialized in school than those raised at home. My kids spend more time with other good kids that I get to choose they hang out with than public school kids. Public school kids are forced to sit in a desk for approximately 6+ hours a day and do 2+ hours of homework plus have to get up way early to go to school. Where is family time and time to socialize? I went to public school my whole childhood, it was aweful. It is way worse now, but people make excuses to avoid doing more work. Yes, it takes a lot of work to homeschool, and budget and to live a lifestyle where you can't buy all of the material things, but my kids are a billion times more important than pawning them off on people who could care less about them. People are so naive. Every homeschool family I know has happy and well behaved kids that are safe from bullies and being shot by another angry kid. Our kids will never know the fear of a school shooting or psycho kids destroying the classroom. A parent who wants to subject their kids to that sounds like a parent who doesn't care about their kids. I used to be a working mom, I quit making excuses and my husband and I found a way to make things work. It is time for other families to do the same or quit complaining about the things going on in schools.
This was 4 years ago and before covid. Things are WORSE across the country with disrgulated or disruptive students. The other children in the class need to have that ‘disruptor’ removed so they can feel SAFE and learn! Schools need to have states sponsor intervention classes where these students need to go learn LIFE skills on regulation and acceptable social behaviors. Once graduated from the program, then they can reenter the regular classroom. LET’s be fair to the average child!
Oh HELL NAW. I would rather catch a case for grabbing a kid than permit that behavior. It's traumatizing to the OTHER kids and the disruptive child needs be IMMEDIATELY redirected so that they can learn healthy coping.
I’m almost certain that it’s at a title 1 school; they have the highest turnover rate, people leave every year or don’t stay the whole year. It is a mess. Many students come from bad home environments.
Title I isn't the issue. This is true in many schools, regardless of economic designation. It's the parents, it's untreated mental issues, it's the lack of enforcement of what little rules are left. It's also this ridiculous SEL warm and fuzzy crap that pats a child on the head, gives him a snack, tells him he's perfect just the way he is, and sends him back to the classroom. If you could hear the silent screaming teachers have when this happens....
@@pyenme I refuse to send kids to the office if they are unruly because I feel like they would come back with a jumbo sized candy bar and a slurpee, and tell me that the principal says I need to back off. I’d rather they just sit away from the group and sit in “timeout” until they’re under control. If there is a real need for a room clear, then I press the call button. Last week, I had to teach in another teacher’s classroom while the principal sorted out a kid.
A big reason why the schools are a mess is b/c the system is driven by a liberal mindset, there is no meaningful accountability, and there is far too much on teacher's plates for them to be effective. Like all of our other systems (medical, judicial, transportation etc.) the educational system is broken. You can't expect someone to go and get their bachelor's, master's, pass the NTE exam, go up to their eyeballs in debt with student loans just to take a job where they are abused, miserable, overworked and blamed. Freedlom without responsibility breeds entitlement = Something that we have far too much of in this country! Taxpayers are expected to pay for fancy smartboards, tablets, etc..and this is how those investments are treated? What a disgrace!
What did they expect when there are no concequences for these actions? You shouldn’t clear the room. You should get the violent kid outside of the room. Let management deal with them.
What the HELL? What ever happened to respect for teachers? Why aren't violent out of control students AND THEIR PARENTS charged with felonies and sent to an in-patient locked mental health facility to figure out what is wrong with them and try to fix them???
Dontcha know? It’s the pink haired teachers causing the problems, with their indoctrinations of gay frogs and such. As they get the hell beat out of them just for trying to bring kids to a level state of mind. Nowadays, it’s “what did YOU do to make my child lash out like that??????” One of my friends from college had a wooden truck thrown at her by a child, and the mother had the gall to ask what my friend did to set the kid off. I would have been so heated and would have needed someone else to write the reply for me.
Each generation seems to have more school problems, than the generation before. The breakdown of the tradition al family unit is a big part of the problem and won't be easily solved.
The American educational system really has hit the bottom. Everyone knows what the problems are, yet everyone knows it's won't get solved. How sad is that.
Praising their little darlings for the sake of self esteem, telling them to have a "time out" instead of a swat on the behind when acting out, defending their little darlings that never do anything wrong against the evil people trying to oppress them, giving them a cell phone to occupy the time instead of telling them to go outside and play with others. That is what parents do now, not true parenting.
i worked with many kids and adults in my life in the social services and disabilities services sectors; that were like this and similar, im so sick of people saying, they need harsh punishment, they need whippins', etc.; and as tempting as it is, the last thing they needs is whuppins, 99 percent of the kids ( and young adults ) who were like this were the ones who got whupped and all that, or who were completely ignore -- ( bad attention is better than no attention right? ), and this is oftentimes how the parents acted towards the kids and other family members, even with other people out in public, its learned behavior, it can also be mal-adaptive behavior with kids who are very reactive, prone to outburst due to various levels of abuse, also their is legit special needs that often go un-DX'd or get mis-DX'd, all behavior is communication, find out the root cause, and find out what they are trying to communicate, and nip it in the bud before things escalate to these type situations, and as much as possible try to redirect and de-escalate when you see a person getting upset or triggered. this is only a very short vid, and we dont know most of the back story or what set her off but she is clearly in need of counseling and communication, anger and social skills therapy to start with. and discipline means to teach, not to hit, strike or otherwise punish, and yes they need consequences, but they also need better mental health screening and pro active mandatory mental health treatment needs to be brought back ! many of these kids are in fact mentally ill, they suffer from abuse or neglect at home, they are often with no healthy outlets to give them focus, goals, a sense of accomplishment and healthy pride of place and self these kids are frustrated and they lash out, and lets not forget there are also fairly common issues with teachers bullying and agitating, humiliating students, and in turn they can only take so much, and boom, they lash out. its a complex and dynamic issue with many causes .
This is in ever districts and even in mine and getting put in seclusion, which is basically a room where they can go to try and keep them from hurting themselves and others, and sometimes getting help
This is probably a massive contributing factor… “The most used substances were marijuana, methamphetamine and illicit painkillers and stimulants. On February 1, 2021, Oregon became the first state in the USA to decriminalize the possession of small quantities of all illicit drugs, following the passing of Oregon Ballot Measure 110 in November 2020.”
I dont remember doing this as a child. I was told I did. The schools did nothing about it. I do remember fighting in high school. They did nothing. When I turned 18 and got into a fight out of school. I was shocked to learn I was going to jail. I turn my life around when I noticed. I was in jail every weekend in a one months time. I did not like the consiqinsis of my actions. I then had children. I knew I could not take care of them if I reacted in a way that would land me In jail. I retrained myself. I have a grandson who is doing this. They medicate him and he still does it. My hands are tied. The fathers hands are tied. I'm sorry
Hey back in middle school people threw those ketchup packages, peas and and corn; little rolled up pieces of paper. Which I became a target. So we were told that we did.
This is the unintended consequence of inclusion. Often these incidents are caused by special ed students. Students that are not special ed have picked up the behaviors. HIPPA laws make it illegal to say "Well that student is disable and can misbehave, you're not so you must follow the rules." Inclusion is a wonderful thing for those students and families but this is the consequence to the others and nobody's willing to have this difficult discussion.
I agree that inclusion of special ed students can contribute to this issue, but there are also students with IEP's for Behavior. We even call them "Behaviors". They may or may not have received medical intervention for this, but are allowed to disrupt. You literally can't get a child removed to a special class/school unless they have physically hurt someone (or themselves). Anything less may get them suspended for a couple days, or maybe just a time out in the "warm and fuzzy" room most school have been required to have. Not fair to the rest of the kids or the teachers.
@@pyenme I was referring to students that are special ed due to behavioral issues. Should have made the distinction. Oppositional Defiance Disorder is now a disorder.
When you make the parents accountable for their kids actions with fines and jail time should wake most of these parents up if not CPS should begin start taking notice when the kids are being violent by the 3rd grade and fix the issue with bad parenting
@@texasrox2010 No, everyone's tax dollars including mine are paying for material that is meant for education not for someone else to destroy it. Making the parents pay would more likely have to set their kids straight.
My son use to do that but he doesn't do it anymore. The teachers started to listen to him instead making him do something he said he wasn't going to do at that time. They would wait until he cool down
This is the result of what happens when parents spoil their kids rotten at home. They get literally EVERYTHING and ANYTHING they want WHENEVER they want it. This is bad, because that's setting the child up to be a terror in society. When kids ALWAYS get their way, they expect their own way all the time. Then, when they go to school, or over friend's houses, they get a harsh realization that it doesn't work that way in the real world. They get suspended from school, are no longer allowed to visit friend's houses, possibly even forbidden to be friends with other kids. That's when they get older, and they end up in trouble with the law.
Put the kid out. Any damage bill the parents. Hold the parent accountable. Then put them in special ed. Or send to a special scholl for children like them. Give them a counselor to get at root of their anger. Or put them out of school until parent take them to get help. This one right here sould clear this stuff up
Instead of a "Room Clear" how about trying an "Ass Whoop!" It's much more effective and something the child has probably never had from thier parents or most likely a single mom.
No. Since you need respect or fear as a prerequisite for that to work, it won't. The first let's it work and the second makes it cause the problems to build up for the future. Whooping before both also cause more lashing out.
@@Kathbunny2 trust me after a good spanking the child will learn to fear/respect the sting of the belt. You fear the sting of a bee more so after experiencing first hand its sting.
I was afraid to do anything close to that. there was only a hand full of students who caused trouble at my school. I could walk into the main office and hear screams coming from the principles office.
Schools are supposed to be a safe LEARNING environment. School districts typically have in place teachers. They should also have either an intercom system to quickly reach administrative staff/the principals office and either student teachers and or hall monitors who are easily accessible by walkie talkie or by phone with a rapid response, if a situation is out of control or a student becomes unruly. The school should also have at least one safe room, if not more than one with a guard who is in charge of the room. That room might be designed with padded walls and few objects with the exception of soft seating/ plastic chairs. The school might have a selection of reading books, if the child calms down and is at that point able to sit and read. The space would serve as an in school suspension room for students who misbehave, act out, lash out, the rooms for students being disrespectful might differ from the room where students who become violent are taken. The classroom should never become so disrupted that the majority of the students are unable to learn, unable to study. The teacher should always be in control of the classroom, of the situation they are overseeing. This may require, at times, with some students, the help of the school staff and the structure of the environment. In suspension, the parents of the child would always be notified and if it is deemed appropriate to the consensus of the school staff, the parents would be required to arrange for pick up of their child, with a set return date to the school and a plan for correcting the behavior displayed. The experience of letting kids overrun the classroom is a sign the entire school has to be involved with solutions to resolve the difficulty and the individual experience of specific situations. It could also be that the teachers need to feel that support, encouragement, and assurances they are not alone in their duty to perform their job, to teach.
My son is 17 years old. He is pretty conservative, very astout and heavily self informed about politics and current events. He told me the other day in a profound moment that he is SCARED about everything that is happening in this country. He is 17!! What the Hell is wrong with the adult leaders in this country?
The leaders is mere a reflection of the society as a whole. May I dare to say American society place much less value in education achievement and perseverance than in Asia for example. The result is so obvious. Yet when someone brings it up, he is immediately labeled as a racist and ignorant. Only a quarter of high school graduates go to college, and half of that is under educated at high school level. If this were the case in Asia, hell would break loose. Kids would be pushed so hard that they make up all the lost studies in matter of a few month no matter what. I can tell you here. Asians do not understand how could so many American parents forgone their children watching them drown in disarray and take little to no action. If I had to go communist to get my children educated, I would do it. That is how far I am willing to go. If disagree, you are left with the broken system at hand and helpless children at home.
First-year teacher and I’m already at my wits end. Elementary music, and my God, some of these kids are absolutely unruly. My principal keeps tossing out the “COVID kids” enablement. No. That is not an acceptable excuse for kids to be disheveling teachers’ classrooms and getting incredibly physical with other students, especially unprovoked.
what happened on 1:21 had me really mad. I just could not believe that a student would rip a flag off the wall. If any student wants to treat the flag like that, they then need to leave America immediately. Yes, my mom would be really mad if she ever saw a flag being ripped from the wall or anywhere else. If I was the school counselor, I would have called crisis intervention or 911 right away. Otherwise these kids should belong in a residential treatment facility, prison or state hospital if they cannot function in a public school, because it is unacceptable for kids to be trashing up the classroom like that just because they are having a bad day. I even looked forward to a better future, well the future has just gotten far worse. Something definitely needs to be fixed before it escalates to a situation that happened in Parkland or Sandy Hook. And yet schools definitely need police in case this ever gets to the worst point. This is why I am glad I am not in school anymore as of 2014.
So pretty much, in other words, the "higher-ups" gave the students the power to run the classroom whenever they start acting the fool. So if the teachers are not allowed to do anything about it and actually do their jobs as they should, then what the hell are they really there for? It's not like they want to quit, but with a situation as stupid as this and they have little to 0 support against it, then what choice do they have? 🤦♂️
This is stupid. In my country, when a disruptive student is having a tantrum, you only remove said kid from the classroom, and not everyone else. No wonder why it's increasingly more difficult to be a teacher in the states.
If one single adult in the Broward County school district had made one responsible decision about the Parkland shooter, then my sister would still be alive. But every bad decision they made makes total sense once you understand the district's politically correct policies, which started here in Broward and have spread to thousands of schools across America."
@Amber I have no idea about American laws. But blaming teachers for every student actions will surely have a detrimental effect on American education. This is one reason why most American teachers are leaving their profession. Here in the Philippines, if a student broke a chair intentionally, the parents pay for the repair or replacement. If a student vandalized classroom wall, the parents of the erring students are the one who will pay for the repainting of the wall. It is about accountability of the parents for their child's behavior. The teacher is only accountable when the incident happen and she did not do anything to stop it.
The concept that a child can be violent with their teachers or the other pupils without a trained adult (all teachers) being able to restrain, hold, calm a child is absurd! Whips and paddles haven’t been part of classrooms for years in Oregon. Now simple intelligence as to who is in charge and makes the calls is in Crisis. Between families being wrung out by Covid and an administration who thinks our laws are trash to be disposed of at law we are going to be Nigeria’s colony in a generation.
Schools didn't have this issue when I was in school. I went to school in the late 70s to early 90s. Once corpal punishment was taken out of schools that's when kids started to act up. It's not just classrooms that get messed up it's also in the cafeterias and other parts of the school. I work in a middle school cafeteria and everyday we are cleaning up after these kids. They love throwing the food and milk around. When we get after them, we are the ones who get in trouble when the kids go home complaining that we were mean to them. God forbid that we get after them for being little brats!
Trad Dog we should care! When these kids grow up they will become adults who will "act" out. Prisons will be over crowded and under staffed. When your child is hurt by one of these students who act out, then you will care.
Trad Dog You can ask any teacher that has taught for more than 30 years. They will tell you that things weren't this bad back then. Ask any former teacher who is still alive today that taught back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s they will tell you that the kids behavior back then was better than it is today. A lot has to do with the fact teachers were allowed to discipline the students how they see fit. Now days if a teacher or any other staff member looks at a student wrong we may lose our jobs over that. I work in a cafeteria and I got after a student for throwing milk in the air. My manager threaten to punish me because I am not allowed to yell at a student. I said OK if that milk spills on the floor I will not clean it up and I won't say anything if a student gets hurt. I come from a long line of teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, and janitors in my family. My great aunt taught School back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s she said that when she started teaching the kids behavior was much better. Once corpal punishment was taken out that's when things went downhill. She said she was glad to retire when she did she said I can't handle these brats today. These pictures are to show people what goes on in these classrooms and to show what happens when you spare the rod and spoil the child.
Amber you would not be thinking that if you actually work in a school. You obviously have no idea what goes on in the classrooms. You dont know what these teachers go through. Their job description states they are to educate the students, but for the most part they have to do more than that. Often times they have to defend themselves from students who get violent towards them. We tend to loose very good teachers all because of a student's bad behavior.
Amber you have to physically work in the classroom. That means being in the school building long before the students get there to prep, grade papers etc... then stay long after school to clean, grade more papers do lesson plans all because you did not have time. You were too busy trying to keep 30 plus students in control. You should spend your paycheck on school supplies because the school is under budget and you have parents that can't afford school supplies or they don't want to buy school supplies for their kids. You are EXTREMELY clueless about what goes on these classrooms. You only spent 8 hours a day in class try spending 14 to 16 hours a day in class.
When I was in 4th grade my teacher kept me in from recess and forced me to do math while the other kids went out for recess. I was so upset The teacher put me in the corner until I calmed down LOL.
I work in an inner city high school in the Detroit area. While our students have learning deficits, our children are for the most part considerate, kind and respectful. There are a few who feel entitled but this is not widespread.
the concept is clear the schools are not well ventilated,no big windows from all sides with proper trained teachers. the class students ratio should be class teacher one and 20 students for overall development of the students. the class should be 1 hour for only for 4 periods. violent students who like bullying should be in separate classes with military trained teacher in separate schools with strict discipline and moral development by a through process by government for military purposes. A child should give chance to choose a discipline afterwards 8th grade as their capabilities are shown from here. one thing without a trained mastered teacher who know what his subject depth will only attract students who want to learn as students do not come to school for time waste other than bullying students whose life only purpose is to bully and earn by it only.
I was in the military for six years and law enforcement for eight years. I became a substitute teacher three years ago and - WOW!! I’ve never felt less safe at a job😳
EPIDEMIC OF SINGLE MOTHERS - DEAD BEAT MOMS.
@@mikelisteral7863 Wow...you must really hate women. I saw you commenting negatively toward women on the other teacher video also. If they are single moms, where are the dads? The dads need to take responsibility too.
agreed, also CJA
@@catwhisperer1253 that's why people shouldn't have sex until married to someone who will take care of the child. Or someone you know you WILL marry and will agree to marry you. People shouldn't have casual sex at all.
@@yelloe As a Christian, I agree with you. However, that is not the reality in our world. Sadly, even people who waited to have sex until they were married, sometimes get divorced and/or run away from their child responsibilities. Nothing is guaranteed.
This is why I homeschool.
Forcing my good kids to be with bad kids is cruel and unnecessary.
I homeschool my kids too. I work full time and come home and homeschool them. It can work for parents that think they cant homeschool because they work.
Don't have to worry about identity politics or PC culture either
@jon doe - Honestly, I think home schooled parents should just get half funding - provided that their children perform at or above grade level in several benchmarks. If the school spends $10,000 per kid per year, then you get $5,000 for home schooling on the condition that your child meets grade level expectations.
the state I live in doesnt allow home schooling unless a doctor recommends it.
I know that's not how it works but that's what they dom
Amen. And I'm a public school teacher of 10yrs
I feel great sympathy for teachers. There's no family or home structure left. Teachers don't have a chance trying to "teach" these little monsters. Our society is too far gone now.
First year teacher, elementary music.
If I’m truly expected to raise children who are not mine, they are my dependents. I will claim them and get a nice tax deduction. That should be a thing, although I’m sure specials teachers will get the shaft. We always do.
Cure to the problem: child doesnt leave that room until it's cleaned up and exactly as it was before. Parents to be held responsible for reimbursement for items broken.
@Trad Dog You're right, actually. The child should be held responsible for his own actions...not the parents... He should be made to work at the school, after school for a few hrs a day at minimum wage until he can pay for it. That would definitely straighten him out!
If I'm the teacher, I want the kid out of my classroom ASAP. The kid has just destroyed a classroom and scared the crap out of the other students and probably their teacher. Please explain the process for getting the little tyrant to clean up the room without inviting a continued meltdown.
@@ironman2326 While I agree that these kids should be held accountable for their actions, some of these disruptive kids are in elementary school and middle school (ages 6-15); I've seen a few reports of some being in kindergarten. From a .gov site: "Federal child labor law generally prohibits the employment of minors in nonagricultural occupations under the age of 14, restricts the hours and types of work that can be performed by minors under 16, and prohibits the employment of minors under the age of 18 in any hazardous occupation." These days, working in a classroom can be considered hazardous. The kids need serious interventions outside the classroom, not janitorial duties.
Great idea!
And who will survey the disruptive kid certainly being very eager to clean up the mess? You? The parents who are part of the problem? The teacher can't because s/he has (to prepare for) the next lessons.
The idea is great, but needs manpower!
And should be held liable for any medical costs incurred when their child injures someone.
I've been a teacher for 33 years.....men was it tough at the end
Would you please share your experiences that made it so rough at the end?
@Dela Flowers parents need to start spanking again and letting others too
@Twin Mommy very true
dang. sorry to hear that.. i hope you're feeling more relaxed and less stressed now..
These children who do this should not be allowed to stay in the classroom to do this, not only because it is unfair to the rest of the students and teacher, but because the child should NOT be allowed to destroy public property like that. The child is only being enabled and the right to destroy property that does not belong to them is being reinforced. They belong in a room with next to nothing in it.
Totally agree. Not sure why they're allowing kids to get away with violence and destruction of property. When I was in grade school back in the 80's, we had only one guy teacher who teaches 6th grade and every student was afraid of him. Any student in that school who misbehaved were sent to that guy teacher to be disciplined which I'm sure prevented many potential problems. This leads me to think that women are prone to be less strict with kids, perhaps even enabling them. My 7th grade teacher allowed her students to trash her class, steal her stuff at her desk and all she did was yelled at the kids. The word she yelled out in class the most was, "insubordination!."
Well Yeah I agree with that if they're actually destroying property or doing things that can injure someone. To be honest I'd understand this approach if the students were only throwing stuff like books and pencils on the floor and on the desks and stuff. However once that student starts throwing chairs across the room or starts tearing things up is when you need to intervene because those actions can definitely hurt someone and it isn't fair to the other kids if they have to leave the classroom just because another student is throwing chairs.
@@goldenrule3261 there is a hierarchy of fear.
Teachers fear their admin.
Admin fears the school board.
School board fears parents.
Parents fear their kids.
Kids fear no one.
@@callmeangie867 I've been a substitute for 4 years. I just disagree with that second to last part: "Parents fear their kids". I don't think most parents fear their kids; I think they spoil them. I've never had to deal with so many spoiled brats in my life, as well as the overgrown children (i.e., the parents) who are supposed to be raising them.
@@thehighllama8101 I think it’s a different kind of fear, fear that their child won’t love them or even like them if they as parents don’t attend to their child’s every whim.
It all starts at home with no discipline or control by the parents
Finland consistently is ranked number 1 in the world for Education . They have very few behavioral issues in their schools.
Their classroom teachers were asked how is that possible.
Their answer was simple, " In Finland, education and teacher's are highly respected by everyone in our country".
Who lives in Finland?
99.9% Finnish people.
Who lives in America ?
Every country on the planet has people who live here in USA.
It's quite a difference .
In Finland teachers are paid a livable wage. Also well supported by admin and students families.
@@meagancarmichael3892 Thank you, that makes ALL the difference to teachers.
Also, Finland doesn't test, test, test, homework is very sparse, and recess is plentiful. Why, oh why, don't we try it their way?!
This is the same as a sanctuary city. It's a sanctuary classroom. The rule breaker is coddled and the good students are made to leave their class and go to another class and not be educated. Insane. Take the disruptive student out of the class, by force of a resource officer if need be and put him in detention untill his or her parents come to pick them up and while the parents are there they can help their "little Angel" clean up the room(and pay damages). If not then they can find their child a different school. The good teachers are not going to tolerate this, they will leave or change professions. Wake up school districts.
Exactly!!!! As I teacher, I have seen this first hand. Coddle the problem child, entitle him or her, and make the responsible students alter, change and tolerate a chaotic environment. This is the norm!
Totally agree. No classroom should have to tolerate this. If they can't get to the bottom of the problem. Put them in special ed immediately
Not the same magat.
@Twin Mommy they should be disciplined
@@carolwhelihan1514 I am a teacher and I hate it! I agree with you 100%
If they disrupt classes, remove them from the classrom, so that the good ones can focus on learning. Problem solved!
Oooh, that's right. According to the law, teachers are not allowed to touch or even talk back to those kids that causes this mess. What do we do then?
Throw money at it?
No.
Homeschooling/charter schools.
Hell yes.
How did students devolve to this behavior? Never a room clear when I was in school. Do our children really have so many psychological issues now that we really have no control short of a special school or a mental institution? It is simply not fair to the kids who don't act out and disrupt. I have been in several room clear situations as an aide, and it is traumatic for the innocent students, and for the teachers trying to protect them.
I’ve started teaching this year as an elementary music teacher. I’ve had to have a few room clears and it’s ridiculous. Growing up, I cannot recall ever needing a room clear.
When we started letting autism be used as an excuse for bad behavior.
Mental illness is skyrocketing throughout the US, most likely due to a combination of cultural experiments we've subjected ourselves to. I worked in the school system a few years ago and what I saw was that lack of fathers, often leads to abandonment trauma and poor supervision at home. This in turn led to children being more at risk for running the streets, encountering predators, drugs, pornography, and other bad influences at a very early age (many while still in elementary school). This, of course led to more trauma, a sharp decline in social-emotional development and increasingly aggressive and inappropriate behaviors. To the point where we had 5th and 6th grade boys trying to molest 4th graders in the bathrooms. Not to mention the slew of emotionally disturbed mental disorders in an increasing percent of the student body. All in all, the hyper sexualization of the culture and a movement away from emphasizing the importance of a supportive, stable and engaged family structure has led to complete disaster.
How about confronting the parents???? Why is it always the school's responsibility to "parent" and "raise" the kids?
Because parents don’t realize that their child’s first teacher does not show up after they turn five.
This is happening everywhere. Teachers that have an angry student have to get 30 other students away from the one out of control student and are not allowed to touch anyone. There has to be a better way!!
Maybe returning the Bible to the classroom and teaching the kids about God as their loving creator who has given us rules about how to live together in harmony with one another. Maybe teaching the kids how to pray and ask for self control and love for others ...
Nah...that would never work...
@@ksanders8117 I'm an atheist, and even I'm starting to think that might be a good idea...
50% of these "rampages" are the fault of the teachers because they bully and humiliate the students. And then the teachers play the victim.
EPIDEMIC OF SINGLE MOTHERS - DEAD BEAT MOMS.
@@mikelisteral7863 Wow...you must really hate women. I saw you commenting negatively toward women on the other teacher video also. If they are single moms, where are the dads? The dads need to take responsibility too.
OUTRAGEOUS!! These trouble-making kids will be in for a BIG surprise when they grow up and go out into the real world and finally learn that there are real consequences for their bad behavior.
No they won't. They will be on TH-cam videos screaming at the cops and resisting arrest. And their mama and the press will say they were good kids working on their GED and trying to turn their lives around but the bad police shot his even thou he dindunufin.
@Trad Dog spoken like a true libtard fool.
Or they'll run for office, and when elected just continue to live in their no-consequences life.
It's not the KID's fault! They are the product of the lack of parenting, consequence, attention, care!
Parents need to do their job!
35 kids in one room is just stacking, not teaching!
Teachers need to be supported by admin, principals, boards, supertintendents. They must be allowed to do the job they love! They must be respected as the professionals they are!
@@Freiya2011 if you teach kids that they're never at fault, then how can they learn how to be responsible for their actions?
In 2009, I went back to school and completed my Master's in Elementary Education with honors and have over 15 years teaching experience. I am a single mother who was raising 2 children while finishing my Master's. In 2017, I was offered 38,000 dollars a year at Catholic elementary school in Jersey City. Along with my whole class teaching , I was also responsible for running the 2 biggest fund raisers for the school, the Scholastic Book Fairs for fall and spring, plus was responsible for the sacraments of penance and first communion( (which included weekend non-paid working). I easily worked over 60 hours every week, including most of every Sunday prepping for the new week with lesson plans, grading homework, etc. While teaching there, I developed high blood pressure and started having anxiety attacks. I lasted 2 years and had to leave from declining health due to stress. The principal was ruthless and critical on all my alternative teaching styles. I had children in my class that clearly needed pull out services, but didn't get them. Teachers are so underpaid and overworked. It is such a stressful job. I would never encourage any young person I know to go into teaching. It is a thankless profession and burnout is fast and furious.
Thanks for the heads up 😄
It's better if you work in a public school. You worked in a Catholic private school, they suck
Wow, you're commenting the same on all these videos about schools, huh? Hope you're not a robot.
So if no one goes into teaching, what do you propose the children of this country do? This is unrealistic.
EPIDEMIC OF SINGLE MOTHERS - DEAD BEAT MOMS
I am a teacher. My heartfelt advice for good parents who care about their children's wellbeing, learning and development: Homeschool. Unfortunately, I spend 70% of my workday fixing bad parenting, 40% on instruction (on a good day). After 7 years, it's getting worse. My goal is to make it to ten years but I'm starting to lose faith in society.
I agree, and I do homeschool mine. God bless you for caring and trying.
You are necessary. Please keep teaching. We all need you!
This is upside down! Throw the troublemakers out. They need to open the reform schools up again. Sanitariums need to be brought back as well. Normal students do NOT need to be in the same place with those who have mental disorders!!! Teachers did NOT sign up for this crap. This is why we have a serious teacher shortage in this country. Honestly, who wants to deal with this?! Parents, homeschool your kids!
My mom would put my sorry ass in the ground if I caused problems like this. And you’re right. I did not take out loans to go through years of school and be trampled.
What the?!
Wow. When I was in school the teacher would have restrained the kid, picked them up and carried them to the office way before things got that out of hand. Plus, the kids knew that, which kept it from happening.
The school called the parents and then the kid was really in trouble.
Parents now sue if the teacher looks at their kid in even a perceived negative way, and forget about physical contact. The teacher is at risk, not the child now thanks to parents and legal situations.
I've just recently started watching videos about this. I'm shocked.
Michael Alexander the difference was in the parent. These kids lack the parent that will take responsibility
@@TheAngelOfTheBottomlessPit 90s kid here. I agree with you. I even caught my fair share of wood in my day.
@Twin Mommy Agreed. As a mother and a teacher, the lack of discipline and teaching of respect for others is the norm. I am disgusted at the stuff I see in public places. Little children are little tyrants whose parents coddle and fear them. It is incredible, little 5 and 6 year olds' running and ruling the family.
@@carolwhelihan1514 they need spankings to teach them
@Trad Dog Well, I didn't anticipate the statement to be taken literally, like saying people will sue at the drop of a hat but I've never seen a lawsuit over a dropped hat either.
It is a very litigious culture and there has been a huge shift in the power dynamics and the nature of discipline in schools. Schools do get sued as do teachers. Not all schools are public with government workers. More likely a teacher can lose their job over parents' complaints about perceived slights experienced by their children that dont involve physical contact. It's happened a friend of mine. I also talk with teachers regularly at my work and hear story upon story about how much their hands are tied in dealing with children in their classes and there is a looming threat of legal and/or disciplinary action from the parents or school respectively with actions taken to maintain order.
These videos are great examples. A child loses it in the classroom and everyone else has to leave rather than address the child with the problem? That hasn't become the procedure because everyone thinks it's a great idea to let a kid destroy public property. The legal risk of intervention is too great. If the student says they freaked out because of how the teacher talked to them or acted towards them (how they looked at them), then the teacher can be seen as the cause of the event by the parents, and thus the school. Parents just don't have the teacher's backs like they used to and are more likely to blame the teacher and school than their own child and their parenting.
Hopefully that makes my use of expressions in my previous comments more clear. Definitely wasn't saying that a teacher could get sued for looking at a student cross eyed or something like that.
It used to be if a students acted like this this went right to the principal's office. Next time suspended for 3 days. Next time, 2 weeks. The next time, GET OUT. Move to another town that will take you. Nobody wants you there. THAT'S ALL FOLKS.
Dyanne Horton those were the good days!
Maybe you haven’t heard but in California and Seattle in 2020 you could no longer suspend students of color.
This type of behavior will only increase.
@Twin Mommy spank their butts
@@vespa9566 that's racist!
Now state and federal law prohibits expulsions because it denies children their free education... nevermind how it impacts the children who are trying to learn.
Thanks for making an advertisement for homeschooling
1:43 “Imagine your child is in one of those rooms”. My 22 years of teaching in the public schools tells me that, chances are, your child IS in one of those rooms.
That happened to me when I was in 4th grade. A kid named Noah had an angry episode, he was throwing chairs, flipping desks, etc. It was traumatizing. This kid- oh God he had anger issues. It was a scary experience.
All I can say is, I'm sorry you had to witness that.
Parents need to he held accountable. As soon as my son started showing aggression we did something about it. We took him to see a neurologist and the problem was solved. Sometimes parents may not know what to do to get their child the help they need. But as parents you have to try and find a solution that way no one is hurt. Once someone is hurt you cant take it back and saying I'm sorry is way too late
You are a responsible parent. But many parents do not want to acknowledge it. Be it because they are embarrassed or because by acknowledging it they now need to do something about it. However many schools no longer mandate the parent to find a solution. Therefore the school puts up with it. However that helps no one. Mandating that a parent look into helping their aggressive child so that they can stay at school is taking care of everyone. The aggressive student and his peers. The other students can suffer trauma just being part of that environment. Every child has the right to learn in a safe environment. Any aggressive children are welcome back once they are safe. Unfortunately many schools believe keeping them out until they are better is taking away their right to an education. Every child has a right to learn in a safe environment.
Imagine that not removing the little monster out of the room but forcing the other normal kids out what's up with that?
It's mostly neuro-behavioral problems in kids whose parents use drugs. Little elementary schoolers have hours long, uncontrollable rages for no reason. I was shaken up the first time I experienced it.
yep, this !
i worked with many kids and adults in my life in the social services and disabilities services sectors; that were like this and similar, im so sick of people saying, they need harsh punishment, they need whippins', etc.; and as tempting as it is, the last thing they needs is whuppins, 99 percent of the kids ( and young adults ) who were like this were the ones who got whupped and all that, or who were completely ignore -- ( bad attention is better than no attention right? ), and this is oftentimes how the parents acted towards the kids and other family members, even with other people out in public, its learned behavior, it can also be mal-adaptive behavior with kids who are very reactive, prone to outburst due to various levels of abuse, also their is legit special needs that often go un-DX'd or get mis-DX'd, all behavior is communication, find out the root cause, and find out what they are trying to communicate, and nip it in the bud before things escalate to these type situations, and as much as possible try to redirect and de-escalate when you see a person getting upset or triggered. this is only a very short vid, and we dont know most of the back story or what set her off but she is clearly in need of counseling and communication, anger and social skills therapy to start with. and discipline means to teach, not to hit, strike or otherwise punish, and yes they need consequences, but they also need better mental health screening and pro active mandatory mental health treatment needs to be brought back ! many of these kids are in fact mentally ill, they suffer from abuse or neglect at home, they are often with no healthy outlets to give them focus, goals, a sense of accomplishment and healthy pride of place and self these kids are frustrated and they lash out, and lets not forget there are also fairly common issues with teachers bullying and agitating, humiliating students, and in turn they can only take so much, and boom, they lash out. its a complex and dynamic issue with many causes .
I work in early childhood education. I truly believe that some of this can decrease if there was more emphasis placed on early childhood development and parent engagement by building positive teacher-parent relationships. There also needs to be more mental health staff that specialize in child behavior working with schools, because American children experience and are exposed to trauma in so many ways that it affects their behavior now and in the future. Don't blame the children - it is adults that are to blame.
The laws and rules are set up to give the problem children the advantage. In my generation, if you pulled this sort of crap, the teacher would snatch you by the collar and YOU would leave the room!
Yeah, my late father went to Catholic schools, and so did my mom. Those nuns weren’t to be toyed around with! They’d hit you with a ruler, then if you were still disruptive the head master or principal if you were in public schools would paddle you. Then mom would spank you when you got home, finally dad would spank you a time when he got home. Then you lost all privileges as well as going to bed without dinner. One of the teachers my late father had was a brother as they were called back then. He hit a kid with a book and bongo drummed his head off the wall. Nowadays that is called abuse! Fah! They didn’t abuse the children back then just hit you hard enough for it to hurt, but not bruise or injure. That needs to be bought back. Finally if the parents were made to financially compensate the school they’d stop that behavior in a heartbeat. I guarantee you.
Positive Behavior Intervention System (PBIS) is such a scam. It is horribly counterproductive because the problem kids get the special attention, and the moderate kids see the attention and turn bad. Change my mind.
I work at a Child Development Center on base and interact with preschoolers and younger. I cannot stress enough how important it is for children to learn how to handle their emotions and good behaviors BEFORE THE AGE OF 5! I've been slapped, bitten, spat at etc by these young kids and I can't do anything about it. We let the parents know the resources we have for the children and very few heed the advice. By the time they enter school, it is too late. They lack the coping and socio-emotional skills needed when they are in a classroom.
Do schools not discipline kids that physically assault teachers? Like 3 strikes and then they get expelled?
@@happygolucky9004 No, they don't. The trend at this time is not to expel or suspend students for anything.
EPIDEMIC OF SINGLE MOTHERS - DEAD BEAT MOMS.
@@mikelisteral7863 That doesn't explain the school's stance on not disciplining children who misbehave.
@@mrs.brunke443 oh my 😳 times have certainly changed. That's a terrible situation.
Maybe you should also get pictures of the bruises and injuries from teacher who are asulted,robbed and harrase by student,yea the elementry level
Oh little Billy is having a bad day.
@Barry Boppins Little Tyrone LaQuavious Mussafah Washington simply did not want juice and cookies during morning break, trashed three classroom until he got his Snack Pack...only to chuck it at the fugg'n wall!
@@maxbrandt6 That's more accurate.
Teachers should REFUSE to teach in Oregon. Make these parents teach their own MONSTERS-at least the ones that are being disruptive. Throw something or put your hands on anybody just ONE time and you’re out!
It happens in every state. Los Angeles schools have this for decades.
Classroom clears are not the answer. The students that want to learn are being punished by having to leave their classroom while no one is allowed to touch the unruly student. Then the well-behaved students must return to a classroom that has been torn apart. This is trauma for the well-behaved students. I would like to know who cleans up the big mess? Are there any real consequences for the out of control child?
I'll give you the short answer. No there isn't.
Why not remove the disruptive student and let them have the meltdown in ISS? That's what my schools did, and it worked well.
We’ve started doing that with our kinders. Imagine being five and going to school jail because your parents are failing you.
I used to have deal with these kind of insane school environments. And trust me, the pictures don't do it justice. It's disturbing and sometimes dangerous depending on how large the children are. One of my co teachers had her wrist broken by a student in several places. He received no real punishment of course. Spent a couple of days playing video games at home and then came back to terrorize everyone yet again. So glad I left!!!
If I was a teacher I would literally get fired in 5 minutes because I wouldn't put up with that shit. I would pick the kid up and slam him in his seat and tell him to sit there and don't move again and then actually make that threat have consequences, or pick him up and drag him to the principal's office myself and leave him there until his parents come and get him. I don't put up with that crap. And neither do my siblings, whose children wouldn't dare do this.
Yea but what happens if it’s 15-16 year olds and you get ganged up on and beat. Unless you’re Hercules you’ll j be another statistic
@@LifeFilms15 Firearms are your friend. Make of that what you will.
This is precisely why I did not go into teaching LOL
@@mybraineatseverything7404 well yea but I’m j saying I get parents reasonably spanking a kid but other people just kick them out that’s not what you signed up for, and once they 16+ you gotta be semi treated like an adult bc adults don’t get spanked for acting out at work etc they j get fired so if they act out give a warning and if they do again than just throw them out but that’s just my opinion
If parents of the disruptive kid could be held financially liable would go a long way for some better parenting
Along with the fact they we need to separate these students from the students that know how to come to school and behave.
Or at least forced to keep their kids at home until they get some outside intervention.
Years ago i had to go to the front of the class to be punished. The teacher used a ruler and wop my open hand a couple of times. That straighten me up real quick. Model student the whole year
We lived on the N Oregon coast in the 90’s, small community and the public schools THEN were no place I would trust to watch over my dog. We homeschooled and we thank God we did. AND THAT was a very rural county that considered itself “conservative!”
It’s simple....if you can’t take care of your child properly, DON’T HAVE ANY KIDS!!!!
Tell Oprah so she can do a documentary! Just saying.
@@ratherbfishing455 It's Oregon. It is probably mostly white kids.
This is why people need to homeschool and stop pawning their children off on other people. People could afford to be a one parent household if they quit living above their means and learn self discipline in their spending and learn to manage money. It isn't right for parents who actually teach and discipline their children to have to be worried about the bad behavior of children whose parents are too lazy to be a parent and for the teachers to have to try to "redirrect" these heathens without touching them. These children are criminals.
God says otherwise, but unfortunately people don't really care what God says. Lots of things have been around for centuries, it doesn't make them right. If God commands parents to bring up their children and raise their children, which He does, then all parents are qualified and capable. If you're smart enough to work a secular job you are smart enough to teach your kids. People are just too lazy and care more about material things than their kids. God knows better than anyone. Kids are less socialized in school than those raised at home. My kids spend more time with other good kids that I get to choose they hang out with than public school kids. Public school kids are forced to sit in a desk for approximately 6+ hours a day and do 2+ hours of homework plus have to get up way early to go to school. Where is family time and time to socialize? I went to public school my whole childhood, it was aweful. It is way worse now, but people make excuses to avoid doing more work. Yes, it takes a lot of work to homeschool, and budget and to live a lifestyle where you can't buy all of the material things, but my kids are a billion times more important than pawning them off on people who could care less about them. People are so naive. Every homeschool family I know has happy and well behaved kids that are safe from bullies and being shot by another angry kid. Our kids will never know the fear of a school shooting or psycho kids destroying the classroom. A parent who wants to subject their kids to that sounds like a parent who doesn't care about their kids. I used to be a working mom, I quit making excuses and my husband and I found a way to make things work. It is time for other families to do the same or quit complaining about the things going on in schools.
@Dela Flowers discipline the kids at home and in school
Some of them have disabilities so they can't help it. And some parents can't afford to stay at home all day with their kids and not work
Scary 😨. I would never stay in such an environment. It is just not safe!!
I don't understand why the other kids have to leave the classroom when one kid starts being disruptive 🤷
This was 4 years ago and before covid. Things are WORSE across the country with disrgulated or disruptive students. The other children in the class need to have that ‘disruptor’ removed so they can feel SAFE and learn! Schools need to have states sponsor intervention classes where these students need to go learn LIFE skills on regulation and acceptable social behaviors. Once graduated from the program, then they can reenter the regular classroom. LET’s be fair to the average child!
And folks this is why school staff and faculty deserve higher pay. I can promise you that the custodians clean that mess up.
I'm not sure room-clearing is a good tactic.
Its the dumbest thing ever
It’s really not.
They need to make the kid pick all that back up and see if they try that again. Brats!
This is a daily occurrence and worse. This causes trauma for other students on a daily basis.
Oh HELL NAW.
I would rather catch a case for grabbing a kid than permit that behavior. It's traumatizing to the OTHER kids and the disruptive child needs be IMMEDIATELY redirected so that they can learn healthy coping.
And, you could be sued and/or sent to jail. You would also lose your job. It is not worth it.
I’m almost certain that it’s at a title 1 school; they have the highest turnover rate, people leave every year or don’t stay the whole year. It is a mess. Many students come from bad home environments.
Title I isn't the issue. This is true in many schools, regardless of economic designation. It's the parents, it's untreated mental issues, it's the lack of enforcement of what little rules are left. It's also this ridiculous SEL warm and fuzzy crap that pats a child on the head, gives him a snack, tells him he's perfect just the way he is, and sends him back to the classroom. If you could hear the silent screaming teachers have when this happens....
@@pyenme I refuse to send kids to the office if they are unruly because I feel like they would come back with a jumbo sized candy bar and a slurpee, and tell me that the principal says I need to back off. I’d rather they just sit away from the group and sit in “timeout” until they’re under control. If there is a real need for a room clear, then I press the call button.
Last week, I had to teach in another teacher’s classroom while the principal sorted out a kid.
Bring back the paddle and use it. Students don't respect anyone or anything, put the fear of the paddle in them.
A big reason why the schools are a mess is b/c the system is driven by a liberal mindset, there is no meaningful accountability, and there is far too much on teacher's plates for them to be effective. Like all of our other systems (medical, judicial, transportation etc.) the educational system is broken. You can't expect someone to go and get their bachelor's, master's, pass the NTE exam, go up to their eyeballs in debt with student loans just to take a job where they are abused, miserable, overworked and blamed. Freedlom without responsibility breeds entitlement = Something that we have far too much of in this country! Taxpayers are expected to pay for fancy smartboards, tablets, etc..and this is how those investments are treated? What a disgrace!
And the parents will scream at the teachers telling them their babies are good and its everyones fault but theirs
Yuuuuuuuuuup.
What did they expect when there are no concequences for these actions?
You shouldn’t clear the room.
You should get the violent kid outside of the room.
Let management deal with them.
What the HELL? What ever happened to respect for teachers? Why aren't violent out of control students AND THEIR PARENTS charged with felonies and sent to an in-patient locked mental health facility to figure out what is wrong with them and try to fix them???
Dontcha know? It’s the pink haired teachers causing the problems, with their indoctrinations of gay frogs and such. As they get the hell beat out of them just for trying to bring kids to a level state of mind.
Nowadays, it’s “what did YOU do to make my child lash out like that??????”
One of my friends from college had a wooden truck thrown at her by a child, and the mother had the gall to ask what my friend did to set the kid off. I would have been so heated and would have needed someone else to write the reply for me.
Each generation seems to have more school problems, than the generation before. The breakdown of the tradition al family unit is a big part of the problem and won't be easily solved.
The American educational system really has hit the bottom. Everyone knows what the problems are, yet everyone knows it's won't get solved. How sad is that.
Where is Oregon on this issue now? Any changes?
What the f***** are the parents doing?
Praising their little darlings for the sake of self esteem, telling them to have a "time out" instead of a swat on the behind when acting out, defending their little darlings that never do anything wrong against the evil people trying to oppress them, giving them a cell phone to occupy the time instead of telling them to go outside and play with others. That is what parents do now, not true parenting.
Absolutely nothing!!! Isn't it obvious?!?!?
Meth, which leads to Adhd,504 and IEP's
Smoking weed and protesting Trump.
i worked with many kids and adults in my life in the social services and disabilities services sectors; that were like this and similar, im so sick of people saying, they need harsh punishment, they need whippins', etc.; and as tempting as it is, the last thing they needs is whuppins, 99 percent of the kids ( and young adults ) who were like this were the ones who got whupped and all that, or who were completely ignore -- ( bad attention is better than no attention right? ), and this is oftentimes how the parents acted towards the kids and other family members, even with other people out in public, its learned behavior, it can also be mal-adaptive behavior with kids who are very reactive, prone to outburst due to various levels of abuse, also their is legit special needs that often go un-DX'd or get mis-DX'd, all behavior is communication, find out the root cause, and find out what they are trying to communicate, and nip it in the bud before things escalate to these type situations, and as much as possible try to redirect and de-escalate when you see a person getting upset or triggered. this is only a very short vid, and we dont know most of the back story or what set her off but she is clearly in need of counseling and communication, anger and social skills therapy to start with. and discipline means to teach, not to hit, strike or otherwise punish, and yes they need consequences, but they also need better mental health screening and pro active mandatory mental health treatment needs to be brought back ! many of these kids are in fact mentally ill, they suffer from abuse or neglect at home, they are often with no healthy outlets to give them focus, goals, a sense of accomplishment and healthy pride of place and self these kids are frustrated and they lash out, and lets not forget there are also fairly common issues with teachers bullying and agitating, humiliating students, and in turn they can only take so much, and boom, they lash out. its a complex and dynamic issue with many causes .
This is in ever districts and even in mine and getting put in seclusion, which is basically a room where they can go to try and keep them from hurting themselves and others, and sometimes getting help
Diversity is truly our greatest strength
Mike
is this a joke
here in Canada its killing us slowly
This is from Fall 2019, is anything changed other than closing the school due to the pandemic.
This is probably a massive contributing factor…
“The most used substances were marijuana, methamphetamine and illicit painkillers and stimulants. On February 1, 2021, Oregon became the first state in the USA to decriminalize the possession of small quantities of all illicit drugs, following the passing of Oregon Ballot Measure 110 in November 2020.”
It’s bad parenting!! Parents don’t discipline their children then they become monsters.
NOT MY CHILD!!!!!!! MY CHILD WOULD NEVER!!!!
Well, he did, Janice, so get your shit together.
It relates to me to know what's going on, and I feel uncomfortable talking about it. I have PTSD as a student from another state.
I dont remember doing this as a child. I was told I did. The schools did nothing about it. I do remember fighting in high school. They did nothing. When I turned 18 and got into a fight out of school. I was shocked to learn I was going to jail. I turn my life around when I noticed. I was in jail every weekend in a one months time. I did not like the consiqinsis of my actions. I then had children. I knew I could not take care of them if I reacted in a way that would land me In jail. I retrained myself. I have a grandson who is doing this. They medicate him and he still does it. My hands are tied. The fathers hands are tied. I'm sorry
Hey back in middle school people threw those ketchup packages, peas and and corn; little rolled up pieces of paper. Which I became a target. So we were told that we did.
Excellent video!
Another example of the person that is doing the crime has more rights than the victim.
⭐️PBIS⭐️
This is the unintended consequence of inclusion. Often these incidents are caused by special ed students. Students that are not special ed have picked up the behaviors. HIPPA laws make it illegal to say "Well that student is disable and can misbehave, you're not so you must follow the rules." Inclusion is a wonderful thing for those students and families but this is the consequence to the others and nobody's willing to have this difficult discussion.
I agree that inclusion of special ed students can contribute to this issue, but there are also students with IEP's for Behavior. We even call them "Behaviors". They may or may not have received medical intervention for this, but are allowed to disrupt. You literally can't get a child removed to a special class/school unless they have physically hurt someone (or themselves). Anything less may get them suspended for a couple days, or maybe just a time out in the "warm and fuzzy" room most school have been required to have. Not fair to the rest of the kids or the teachers.
@@pyenme I was referring to students that are special ed due to behavioral issues. Should have made the distinction. Oppositional Defiance Disorder is now a disorder.
When you make the parents accountable for their kids actions with fines and jail time should wake most of these parents up if not CPS should begin start taking notice when the kids are being violent by the 3rd grade and fix the issue with bad parenting
@@texasrox2010 No, everyone's tax dollars including mine are paying for material that is meant for education not for someone else to destroy it.
Making the parents pay would more likely have to set their kids straight.
My son use to do that but he doesn't do it anymore. The teachers started to listen to him instead making him do something he said he wasn't going to do at that time. They would wait until he cool down
Heaven forbid he should have to do something he doesn't want to. 🙄
Did I just see an American flag?? In Oregon?? Wtf, I'm in the Twilight Zone.
??? I am a teacher that has worked in several states in the U.S. Every classroom that I have worked in has had an American flag in it. It is standard.
This is the result of what happens when parents spoil their kids rotten at home. They get literally EVERYTHING and ANYTHING they want WHENEVER they want it. This is bad, because that's setting the child up to be a terror in society. When kids ALWAYS get their way, they expect their own way all the time. Then, when they go to school, or over friend's houses, they get a harsh realization that it doesn't work that way in the real world. They get suspended from school, are no longer allowed to visit friend's houses, possibly even forbidden to be friends with other kids. That's when they get older, and they end up in trouble with the law.
Put the kid out. Any damage bill the parents. Hold the parent accountable. Then put them in special ed. Or send to a special scholl for children like them. Give them a counselor to get at root of their anger. Or put them out of school until parent take them to get help. This one right here sould clear this stuff up
Why are we not interviewing the parents?! Maybe they have some insight on why their children are acting a fool!
Not a good insight
Imagine it's YOUR child that causes that destruction and there's NO help for the child. 😢
Instead of a "Room Clear" how about trying an "Ass Whoop!" It's much more effective and something the child has probably never had from thier parents or most likely a single mom.
No. Since you need respect or fear as a prerequisite for that to work, it won't. The first let's it work and the second makes it cause the problems to build up for the future. Whooping before both also cause more lashing out.
@Evette Cord As a 90s kid, I say put the fear of God/the Justice System into these little punkasses.
Brock I agree
@Evette Cord spank them
@@Kathbunny2 trust me after a good spanking the child will learn to fear/respect the sting of the belt. You fear the sting of a bee more so after experiencing first hand its sting.
I was afraid to do anything close to that. there was only a hand full of students who caused trouble at my school. I could walk into the main office and hear screams coming from the principles office.
Schools are supposed to be a safe LEARNING environment.
School districts typically have in place teachers. They should also have either an intercom system to quickly reach administrative staff/the principals office and either student teachers and or hall monitors who are easily accessible by walkie talkie or by phone with a rapid response, if a situation is out of control or a student becomes unruly.
The school should also have at least one safe room, if not more than one with a guard who is in charge of the room. That room might be designed with padded walls and few objects with the exception of soft seating/ plastic chairs. The school might have a selection of reading books, if the child calms down and is at that point able to sit and read. The space would serve as an in school suspension room for students who misbehave, act out, lash out, the rooms for students being disrespectful might differ from the room where students who become violent are taken. The classroom should never become so disrupted that the majority of the students are unable to learn, unable to study. The teacher should always be in control of the classroom, of the situation they are overseeing. This may require, at times, with some students, the help of the school staff and the structure of the environment. In suspension, the parents of the child would always be notified and if it is deemed appropriate to the consensus of the school staff, the parents would be required to arrange for pick up of their child, with a set return date to the school and a plan for correcting the behavior displayed. The experience of letting kids overrun the classroom is a sign the entire school has to be involved with solutions to resolve the difficulty and the individual experience of specific situations. It could also be that the teachers need to feel that support, encouragement, and assurances they are not alone in their duty to perform their job, to teach.
My son is 17 years old. He is pretty conservative, very astout and heavily self informed about politics and current events. He told me the other day in a profound moment that he is SCARED about everything that is happening in this country. He is 17!! What the Hell is wrong with the adult leaders in this country?
The leaders is mere a reflection of the society as a whole. May I dare to say American society place much less value in education achievement and perseverance than in Asia for example. The result is so obvious. Yet when someone brings it up, he is immediately labeled as a racist and ignorant. Only a quarter of high school graduates go to college, and half of that is under educated at high school level. If this were the case in Asia, hell would break loose. Kids would be pushed so hard that they make up all the lost studies in matter of a few month no matter what. I can tell you here. Asians do not understand how could so many American parents forgone their children watching them drown in disarray and take little to no action. If I had to go communist to get my children educated, I would do it. That is how far I am willing to go. If disagree, you are left with the broken system at hand and helpless children at home.
First-year teacher and I’m already at my wits end. Elementary music, and my God, some of these kids are absolutely unruly. My principal keeps tossing out the “COVID kids” enablement. No. That is not an acceptable excuse for kids to be disheveling teachers’ classrooms and getting incredibly physical with other students, especially unprovoked.
I have never seen or heard of this happening - while I was going through school.
When kids are not disciplined at home....
what happened on 1:21 had me really mad. I just could not believe that a student would rip a flag off the wall. If any student wants to treat the flag like that, they then need to leave America immediately. Yes, my mom would be really mad if she ever saw a flag being ripped from the wall or anywhere else.
If I was the school counselor, I would have called crisis intervention or 911 right away. Otherwise these kids should belong in a residential treatment facility, prison or state hospital if they cannot function in a public school, because it is unacceptable for kids to be trashing up the classroom like that just because they are having a bad day. I even looked forward to a better future, well the future has just gotten far worse. Something definitely needs to be fixed before it escalates to a situation that happened in Parkland or Sandy Hook. And yet schools definitely need police in case this ever gets to the worst point.
This is why I am glad I am not in school anymore as of 2014.
So when we bringing back capital punishment?
So pretty much, in other words, the "higher-ups" gave the students the power to run the classroom whenever they start acting the fool. So if the teachers are not allowed to do anything about it and actually do their jobs as they should, then what the hell are they really there for? It's not like they want to quit, but with a situation as stupid as this and they have little to 0 support against it, then what choice do they have? 🤦♂️
Disruptive is someone who wont stop talking. If anyone did that when I was in school, they'd be out for good! Sorry to see!!!
Unwillingness to enforce discipline leads to chaos.
God forbid I tug a child by the arm to isolate them from the class.
*smells of a lawsuit*
Show us the picture of the child that did the damage
Bring back the old ways of disciplining students...seriously. if parents can't get the children disciplined, then give us the tools we need.
This is stupid. In my country, when a disruptive student is having a tantrum, you only remove said kid from the classroom, and not everyone else. No wonder why it's increasingly more difficult to be a teacher in the states.
Those disruptive students need to be homeschooled. Period.
If one single adult in the Broward County school district had made one responsible decision about the Parkland shooter, then my sister would still be alive. But every bad decision they made makes total sense once you understand the district's politically correct policies, which started here in Broward and have spread to thousands of schools across America."
What happened to sending the kid to the principal's office RIGHT AWAY when disruptive behavior is observed. Get the kid out quickly.
The parent should pay for the damage done.
@Amber I have no idea about American laws. But blaming teachers for every student actions will surely have a detrimental effect on American education. This is one reason why most American teachers are leaving their profession.
Here in the Philippines, if a student broke a chair intentionally, the parents pay for the repair or replacement. If a student vandalized classroom wall, the parents of the erring students are the one who will pay for the repainting of the wall. It is about accountability of the parents for their child's behavior. The teacher is only accountable when the incident happen and she did not do anything to stop it.
The concept that a child can be violent with their teachers or the other pupils without a trained adult (all teachers) being able to restrain, hold, calm a child is absurd! Whips and paddles haven’t been part of classrooms for years in Oregon. Now simple intelligence as to who is in charge and makes the calls is in Crisis. Between families being wrung out by Covid and an administration who thinks our laws are trash to be disposed of at law we are going to be Nigeria’s colony in a generation.
Nothing racist to be seen here.
Schools didn't have this issue when I was in school.
I went to school in the late 70s to early 90s. Once corpal punishment was taken out of schools that's when kids started to act up. It's not just classrooms that get messed up it's also in the cafeterias and other parts of the school. I work in a middle school cafeteria and everyday we are cleaning up after these kids. They love throwing the food and milk around. When we get after them, we are the ones who get in trouble when the kids go home complaining that we were mean to them. God forbid that we get after them for being little brats!
Trad Dog I'd rather be a boomer than a self entitled, tide pod eating milenial. So being called a boomer is NOT an insult.
Trad Dog we should care! When these kids grow up they will become adults who will "act" out. Prisons will be over crowded and under staffed.
When your child is hurt by one of these students who act out, then you will care.
Trad Dog You can ask any teacher that has taught for more than 30 years. They will tell you that things weren't this bad back then. Ask any former teacher who is still alive today that taught back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s they will tell you that the kids behavior back then was better than it is today. A lot has to do with the fact teachers were allowed to discipline the students how they see fit. Now days if a teacher or any other staff member looks at a student wrong we may lose our jobs over that. I work in a cafeteria and I got after a student for throwing milk in the air. My manager threaten to punish me because I am not allowed to yell at a student. I said OK if that milk spills on the floor I will not clean it up and I won't say anything if a student gets hurt.
I come from a long line of teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, and janitors in my family. My great aunt taught School back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s she said that when she started teaching the kids behavior was much better. Once corpal punishment was taken out that's when things went downhill. She said she was glad to retire when she did she said I can't handle these brats today.
These pictures are to show people what goes on in these classrooms and to show what happens when you spare the rod and spoil the child.
Amber you would not be thinking that if you actually work in a school. You obviously have no idea what goes on in the classrooms. You dont know what these teachers go through.
Their job description states they are to educate the students, but for the most part they have to do more than that. Often times they have to defend themselves from students who get violent towards them. We tend to loose very good teachers all because of a student's bad behavior.
Amber you have to physically work in the classroom. That means being in the school building long before the students get there to prep, grade papers etc... then stay long after school to clean, grade more papers do lesson plans all because you did not have time. You were too busy trying to keep 30 plus students in control. You should spend your paycheck on school supplies because the school is under budget and you have parents that can't afford school supplies or they don't want to buy school supplies for their kids. You are EXTREMELY clueless about what goes on these classrooms.
You only spent 8 hours a day in class try spending 14 to 16 hours a day in class.
When I was in 4th grade my teacher kept me in from recess and forced me to do math while the other kids went out for recess. I was so upset
The teacher put me in the corner until I calmed down LOL.
You had every right to act out and be upset because is recess is important to a child's development.
I work in an inner city high school in the Detroit area. While our students have learning deficits, our children are for the most part considerate, kind and respectful. There are a few who feel entitled but this is not widespread.
That's because most of the problem kids either cut class or don't show up.
the concept is clear the schools are not well ventilated,no big windows from all sides with proper trained teachers.
the class students ratio should be class teacher one and 20 students for overall development of the students.
the class should be 1 hour for only for 4 periods.
violent students who like bullying should be in separate classes with military trained teacher in separate schools with strict discipline and moral development by a through process by government for military purposes.
A child should give chance to choose a discipline afterwards 8th grade as their capabilities are shown from here.
one thing without a trained mastered teacher who know what his subject depth will only attract students who want to learn as students do not come to school for time waste other than bullying students whose life only purpose is to bully and earn by it only.