Good analysis. Voting NO on a continuing 1.3%. The last two years of the 2019-2023 was also 1.3% so 520 days to negotiate the elimination of steps AA-B. Underwhelming is an understatement
im a driver for UPS. Every day i see same USPS workers on my route, and we friendly chit chat, usually about work, and its funny how similar it is. " U heavy today?" - " Bro, I might go over 12 hours, they added half of zip code on me today!" But pay difference is weird, we have it more simple, after 4 years is top pay, USPS ....10-15 years? maybe?
I remember one Postmaster reply when I inquired about going Management. "Would you rather be the boot or the ass getting kicked?" They see carriers as less than human, worst company I ever worked for, just a few more years til retirement.
Very well laid out, brother. Glad you’re on our side. I’m around the same step as you, and one thing that needs to be mentioned is that a first year PTF clerk makes, pretty much, the exact same hourly wage as we do. I don’t know about any other offices, but in my office, during the holidays, our clerks are bringing in snacks and crock pots of hot food and enjoying it between customers while we’re out there soaking wet and freezing cold. It’s completely insane that Renfroe, or anyone else, thinks that’s acceptable. I can’t wait to vote no.
84 STAT. PUBLIC LAW 91-375-AUG. 12, 1970 719 Public Law 91-375 AN ACT August 12, 1970 [H. R. 17070] To improve and modernize the postal service, to reorganize the Post Office Department, and for other purposes. "( c ) As an employer, the Postal Service shall achieve and maintain compensation for its officers and employees comparable to the rates and types of compensation paid in the private sector of the economy of the United States. It shall place particular emphasis upon opportunities for career advancements of all officers and employees and the achievement of worthwhile and satisfying careers in the service of the United States.
I was a Special Delivery Messenger for 20 years.APWU. Management hated us with a passion. Eventually played us off against the NALC , gave them our work. And got rid of Special Delivery Messengers. We were APWU. I worked in Houston with O.G.Ray who was our union president for years. The Messengers were absorbed by other crafts. LLV's are horrible. More than once I was ordered by supervisors to drive vehicles with bad brakes. My union rep told me to request that they put that order in writing. That took care of that.
My pm said all of louisiana got 0 holiday hires this year. That's kind of wild but the volume of parcels is lower. But the fmla users seem to call in more this time. We've had 10-12 hour days for everyone for over a month.
I know it would be harder, but if you included Fedex, Amazon and other parcel carriers the averages come way down. UPS is highly paid but ask them how many hours they work and how difficlt it is with their load (heavy packages!). Much better analysis than others but its also a very nuanced situation with a wide variety of carrier situations.
The most messed up comparison is that USPS carriers make way less money but deliver flats, letters, Spurs, boxes and walk streets in all weather for miles with no AC in the vehicles, deal with mail sent to the wrong office or the wrong route from an incompetent distribution office who sends back our forwards constantly. UPS just delivers boxes and has all driving routes with AC in their vehicles but get paid the most. Think about that when you see your postal worker and imagine the hardships they are dealing with just to get your mail and packages to your door.
I got one suggestion get out of the union and when the union starts losing money, maybe they will actually fight a little harder for you. I remember several years back a group of guys ran against the establishment and promised 5% raises longer lunches, etc. etc. and the membership voted it down. They voted for the same old people that’s been in there for years
100% the training program is a waste. The scanners were a waste. The 6 figure jobs in district are a waste. The raise management just got is a waste. You don't need 9 supervisors in one office. They don't know how to spend money at the post office.
I think their keeping the bottom liw on purpose. Their trying to retire out the older ones and keep a permanent young workforce. Their wantingvto get it to where maybe one or 2 people will stay and retire and rveryone elese be people within their forst 5 years. I live in a rural area with not a lot of jobs. The post office 15 uears ago was like hitting the lottery. Now everyone i know worked here and quit. Some more than once. You can go to extra help temp agency and start working that day for $20 an hour. We're just not a competitive salary until you work 15 years. I started 2019.i regret spending 3 years as a cca instead of just working at the bottom of UPS for those years. They top out in 4 years after being fulltime. I would be way better off tgen qhere im at being step c at the usps. Now after 3 years cca and working through steps a and b, they change the bottom to step c. I just done all that time for nothing. Its just not fair up and down the payscales in this TA. And the small raise to cca position is not enough to stop the flow of quitting.
We need to talk about all the money they waste on stupid crap… I heard the flat sorting machines at our plant was $30 mill and was a failed project!! What did all those cost nation wide? All the money they’ve prob poured into the gps tracking just to tell us we’re a minute over our breaks or lunch!! Also got a message saying they expanded parcel sorting areas x3… doesn’t that equal a lot more profit? Mis managing the money… prob all on purpose!! Heard supervisors were 1 per 7 carriers!! What a waste of money!! They also took care of themselves/the clerks and we get the scraps!!
What about the millions they spent over the past 2 years installing GPS in LLV that are going to go to the scrapyard next year when we get the new vehicles.
100% the training program is a waste. The scanners were a waste. The 6 figure jobs in district are a waste. The raise management just got is a waste. You don't need 9 supervisors in one office. They don't know how to spend money at the post office.
What about that its a national pay table. A carrier living in a low cost of living city is getting paid the same as a carrier living in a high cost of living city. I live right outside of Boston and 1 bedroom apartments are going for 3k a month
I live in rural northern AZ, city carrier, and I make $14 an hour UNDER living wage for my area. It's super expensive here, too. I wasted 5 years as a cca, counts for nothing. I'm starting school for Engineering and in 2 years the average pay for a starting job in many fields with that degree is $90k. If I stayed at the post office to make top step, it will have taken me 18 Years! It's just not worth it and they're going to lose a lot of us regulars now too.
Same. I live in North jersey and had to move in with my sister, bc my one bedroom closet went from 1100 a month to 2000. Who the hell can afford that as a single person?!
@@scott3697 I get that I used to live and work in San Diego and USPS wages were unsustainable for us, one of the primary reasons I transferred to Michigan
Why would you compare a maxed out UPS driver to city carriers lower on the pay scale? An arbitrator isn’t considering that. Top UPS and city carriers pay in this TA is at the top end compared to previous agreements.
Ups typically doesn't. Their ground weight limit is 70lbs. 150 is a team lift per ups and is supposed to have a second individual. 70lbs is one person.
But we’re walking in the elements, delivering to 500+ houses (mail & packages), walking up to 20+ miles a day with dogs, some of us has DIED doing their job and the best comeback you have is USPS workers don’t lift 150lbs? Even though we deliver mail AND packages no matter the weight! Please have several seats…..IMMEDIATELY!
Ups doesn't walk door to door. They are hard workers, definitely not saying they dont, but Us letter carriers do more work and in 2023 deliver more packages than ups
@brandonhotaling8162 we charge way cheaper then ups, all these lobbyists that want cheap parcel delivery service while they rake millions in profits and we get crumbs.
We handle people's identities. UPS doesn't. If a box from UPS gets stolen, the product can be replaced. If a letter gets stolen, that person's identity cannot be replaced. We handle more sensitive pieces that contain personally identifiable information. Hundreds of them per day. ABC reported that information like this is sold on the black market for $1000 per identity. That means that I have more than half a million dollars worth of merchandise in my LLV every single day.
@MrJackal43 bro... I deliver hundreds of payroll checks each month, hundreds of medications and thousands of Amazon boxes each month. What are you talking about? Are you living under a rock? What makes you think that you deliver ALL of Amazon. I see a few UPS labels on Amazon packages dropped in front of a door, with the old lady banging on the window yelling "can you move that Amazon package? I can't get out." I'll move the package for her. UPS might deliver packages to a territory. But USPS carriers take care of their customers every day. We deliver to every door every day. We get to know our customers. For example, Ms. Smith lives on the corner of a busy intersection and she has asked all of her delivery drivers to place the packages in her car port because they get stolen if they can be seen from the street. Guess who is the only delivery driver that filed the paper work to make sure that her packages are placed in her car port. USPS. I make sure she is taken care of. She will have a pile of packages at her front door every day when I'm walking up to her house. And she has mentioned to me that I am the only delivery driver that has ever listened to her. So don't come at me with your high and mighty bs. USPS is far better than UPS. And if we could get rid of the bureaucratic bloat that runs USPS, we could be efficient and profitable.
New contract your 50,153 will be a 31.34 cent per hour raise. That is not very much. Here is the math $24.11201923 x 2080 hours per year. 52 weeks at 40 hours per week. your hourly rate will be 24.42547548
Good analysis. Voting NO on a continuing 1.3%. The last two years of the 2019-2023 was also 1.3% so 520 days to negotiate the elimination of steps AA-B. Underwhelming is an understatement
im a driver for UPS. Every day i see same USPS workers on my route, and we friendly chit chat, usually about work, and its funny how similar it is. " U heavy today?" - " Bro, I might go over 12 hours, they added half of zip code on me today!" But pay difference is weird, we have it more simple, after 4 years is top pay, USPS ....10-15 years? maybe?
I remember one Postmaster reply when I inquired about going Management.
"Would you rather be the boot or the ass getting kicked?"
They see carriers as less than human, worst company I ever worked for, just a few more years til retirement.
Me too I'm done in 4
100% accurate
Very well laid out, brother. Glad you’re on our side. I’m around the same step as you, and one thing that needs to be mentioned is that a first year PTF clerk makes, pretty much, the exact same hourly wage as we do. I don’t know about any other offices, but in my office, during the holidays, our clerks are bringing in snacks and crock pots of hot food and enjoying it between customers while we’re out there soaking wet and freezing cold. It’s completely insane that Renfroe, or anyone else, thinks that’s acceptable. I can’t wait to vote no.
84 STAT. PUBLIC LAW 91-375-AUG. 12, 1970 719
Public Law 91-375
AN ACT August 12, 1970
[H. R. 17070]
To improve and modernize the postal service, to reorganize the Post Office Department, and for other purposes.
"( c ) As an employer, the Postal Service shall achieve and maintain compensation for its officers and employees comparable to the rates and types of compensation paid in the private sector of the economy of the United States. It shall place particular emphasis upon opportunities for career advancements of all officers and employees and the achievement of worthwhile and satisfying careers in the service of the United States.
Ups people, this isn't against you, much respect you deserve it. This about usps making comparable, because we deserve it too. Peace ...voting NO!
Go find another job. Go work for ups.
They don't even have to load their own trucks either. All they do is jump in drive and deliver. It's really not fair.
Life isn't fair. Ups has done it for years. Go work for ups
Plus UPS gets help delivering 500 packages doing Christmas as carriers delivered 500 packages plus mail, certified letters express mail by our self
I was a Special Delivery Messenger for 20 years.APWU. Management hated us with a passion. Eventually played us off against the NALC , gave them our work. And got rid of Special Delivery Messengers. We were APWU.
I worked in Houston with O.G.Ray who was our union president for years.
The Messengers were absorbed by other crafts. LLV's are horrible. More than once I was ordered by supervisors to drive vehicles with bad brakes.
My union rep told me to request that they put that order in writing.
That took care of that.
Everyone forgets Ups has a way better pension.
The 3 biggest issues I see with the ta are ccas, the amount of years to top, and not getting 100 percent colas at every step
My pm said all of louisiana got 0 holiday hires this year. That's kind of wild but the volume of parcels is lower. But the fmla users seem to call in more this time. We've had 10-12 hour days for everyone for over a month.
I know it would be harder, but if you included Fedex, Amazon and other parcel carriers the averages come way down. UPS is highly paid but ask them how many hours they work and how difficlt it is with their load (heavy packages!). Much better analysis than others but its also a very nuanced situation with a wide variety of carrier situations.
Exellent video. Thanks
The most messed up comparison is that USPS carriers make way less money but deliver flats, letters, Spurs, boxes and walk streets in all weather for miles with no AC in the vehicles, deal with mail sent to the wrong office or the wrong route from an incompetent distribution office who sends back our forwards constantly. UPS just delivers boxes and has all driving routes with AC in their vehicles but get paid the most. Think about that when you see your postal worker and imagine the hardships they are dealing with just to get your mail and packages to your door.
I hear you !!!!!
I got one suggestion get out of the union and when the union starts losing money, maybe they will actually fight a little harder for you. I remember several years back a group of guys ran against the establishment and promised 5% raises longer lunches, etc. etc. and the membership voted it down. They voted for the same old people that’s been in there for years
Makes sense
Is wear and tear for us up and down steps door to door with freezing temps not the same
100% the training program is a waste. The scanners were a waste. The 6 figure jobs in district are a waste. The raise management just got is a waste. You don't need 9 supervisors in one office. They don't know how to spend money at the post office.
#VOTENO!!!!!!
I think their keeping the bottom liw on purpose. Their trying to retire out the older ones and keep a permanent young workforce. Their wantingvto get it to where maybe one or 2 people will stay and retire and rveryone elese be people within their forst 5 years. I live in a rural area with not a lot of jobs. The post office 15 uears ago was like hitting the lottery. Now everyone i know worked here and quit. Some more than once. You can go to extra help temp agency and start working that day for $20 an hour. We're just not a competitive salary until you work 15 years. I started 2019.i regret spending 3 years as a cca instead of just working at the bottom of UPS for those years. They top out in 4 years after being fulltime. I would be way better off tgen qhere im at being step c at the usps. Now after 3 years cca and working through steps a and b, they change the bottom to step c. I just done all that time for nothing. Its just not fair up and down the payscales in this TA. And the small raise to cca position is not enough to stop the flow of quitting.
397 stops daily; that doesnt include the half route i take daily--CCA here
We need to talk about all the money they waste on stupid crap… I heard the flat sorting machines at our plant was $30 mill and was a failed project!! What did all those cost nation wide? All the money they’ve prob poured into the gps tracking just to tell us we’re a minute over our breaks or lunch!! Also got a message saying they expanded parcel sorting areas x3… doesn’t that equal a lot more profit? Mis managing the money… prob all on purpose!! Heard supervisors were 1 per 7 carriers!! What a waste of money!! They also took care of themselves/the clerks and we get the scraps!!
What about the millions they spent over the past 2 years installing GPS in LLV that are going to go to the scrapyard next year when we get the new vehicles.
100% the training program is a waste. The scanners were a waste. The 6 figure jobs in district are a waste. The raise management just got is a waste. You don't need 9 supervisors in one office. They don't know how to spend money at the post office.
We work 9-14 during peak.
What about that its a national pay table. A carrier living in a low cost of living city is getting paid the same as a carrier living in a high cost of living city. I live right outside of Boston and 1 bedroom apartments are going for 3k a month
I live in rural northern AZ, city carrier, and I make $14 an hour UNDER living wage for my area. It's super expensive here, too. I wasted 5 years as a cca, counts for nothing. I'm starting school for Engineering and in 2 years the average pay for a starting job in many fields with that degree is $90k. If I stayed at the post office to make top step, it will have taken me 18 Years! It's just not worth it and they're going to lose a lot of us regulars now too.
You're right. I've been at the PO since 2005 and just got to Step N this recent PP.@@blackwidow8520
Same. I live in North jersey and had to move in with my sister, bc my one bedroom closet went from 1100 a month to 2000. Who the hell can afford that as a single person?!
@@scott3697 I get that I used to live and work in San Diego and USPS wages were unsustainable for us, one of the primary reasons I transferred to Michigan
Why would you compare a maxed out UPS driver to city carriers lower on the pay scale? An arbitrator isn’t considering that. Top UPS and city carriers pay in this TA is at the top end compared to previous agreements.
I don’t understand if the post office doesn’t have the money to pay its carriers to pay a competitive rate why don’t they just ask congress for it
Don't forget the walking house to house on ICE in the DARK for hours
Arbitrators DON'T take into consideration the company's financial health when making decisions.
Does USPS deliver 150 pound packages?
Nope
Ups typically doesn't. Their ground weight limit is 70lbs. 150 is a team lift per ups and is supposed to have a second individual. 70lbs is one person.
But we’re walking in the elements, delivering to 500+ houses (mail & packages), walking up to 20+ miles a day with dogs, some of us has DIED doing their job and the best comeback you have is USPS workers don’t lift 150lbs? Even though we deliver mail AND packages no matter the weight! Please have several seats…..IMMEDIATELY!
Ups doesn't walk door to door. They are hard workers, definitely not saying they dont, but Us letter carriers do more work and in 2023 deliver more packages than ups
@brandonhotaling8162 we charge way cheaper then ups, all these lobbyists that want cheap parcel delivery service while they rake millions in profits and we get crumbs.
Step d sucks!! (I’m step d lol)
I'm on step e. Ain't much better I hate to tell ya. Lol
We handle people's identities. UPS doesn't.
If a box from UPS gets stolen, the product can be replaced.
If a letter gets stolen, that person's identity cannot be replaced.
We handle more sensitive pieces that contain personally identifiable information. Hundreds of them per day.
ABC reported that information like this is sold on the black market for $1000 per identity.
That means that I have more than half a million dollars worth of merchandise in my LLV every single day.
BS, UPS handles most PAYROLL. 😂😂😂 the MOST important mail, as well as meds and medical equipment. And ALL of Amazon, not delivered by Amazon.
@MrJackal43 bro... I deliver hundreds of payroll checks each month, hundreds of medications and thousands of Amazon boxes each month. What are you talking about? Are you living under a rock? What makes you think that you deliver ALL of Amazon. I see a few UPS labels on Amazon packages dropped in front of a door, with the old lady banging on the window yelling "can you move that Amazon package? I can't get out."
I'll move the package for her.
UPS might deliver packages to a territory. But USPS carriers take care of their customers every day. We deliver to every door every day. We get to know our customers.
For example, Ms. Smith lives on the corner of a busy intersection and she has asked all of her delivery drivers to place the packages in her car port because they get stolen if they can be seen from the street. Guess who is the only delivery driver that filed the paper work to make sure that her packages are placed in her car port. USPS. I make sure she is taken care of. She will have a pile of packages at her front door every day when I'm walking up to her house. And she has mentioned to me that I am the only delivery driver that has ever listened to her.
So don't come at me with your high and mighty bs. USPS is far better than UPS. And if we could get rid of the bureaucratic bloat that runs USPS, we could be efficient and profitable.
UPS people show up to work.
We do too that’s why you get ur mail and packages everyday. I’ll hold your mail for 20days try my
New contract your 50,153 will be a 31.34 cent per hour raise. That is not very much. Here is the math $24.11201923 x 2080 hours per year. 52 weeks at 40 hours per week. your hourly rate will be 24.42547548