So..... I'm not alone. I've been passionate about maps before I got interested in girls. The old saying when you don't plan you're planning to fail. You're doing big thing Brent passing your experience on to others. Appreciate your time and input.
This is the BEST mapping tutorial I have ever run across. You describe how to use ALL the most common and useful tools. Thx for your videos, Brent. Can't wait for Part 4
Brilliant information. Have watched all 4 at least 4 times over. Thanks' a mill for putting it all together mate! Especially as I have just got myself, a new Zumo XT2
Brent Thank you so much for your in depth tutorial for off road planning and navigation. I am inspired to do some of your trips in NSW and the Flinders Ranges. I have decided to buy a DRz400 and follow some of your tracks.Your experience and generosity in sharing information is very much appreciated.I will send you a photo or two of my first trip.
Very cool series. Those of us with Jobs and kids have limited timeframes to go on trips so planning is common - you can’t always just ride into the mountains and see what happens, when you have kids at home and have to show up for work Monday. Keep up the good work!
Watched Part 1 last night and subscribed to Gaia straight after. Going on a ride this weekend and I had tried to map it on Google Maps - suffice to say it was a pain trying to finesse the process. With Gaia, I had a circa 400 klm ride planned with waypoints all sorted within 20 minutes. Brilliant. Thank you very much for this and your other vids, Brent. Looking forward to watching the remaining three mapping editions. Thanks again.
Hey Raymond. Really glad these tips helped. It is actually fun and easy when you work it out, but very frustrating when you don’t know the techniques or little tricks. Have a great ride. Brent
mate, that's great, definitely on the OCD end of the scale like yourself. just started watching the series, within seconds, as I write this, I can see you've nailed it. Really looking forward to what lays ahead. Gold Coast
Great work Brent. As you will see in the Sydney Adventure Riders file section I have placed some files recently which are rehashes of other rides on there that I have downloaded, ridden and added to. I have a Zumo XT so looking forward to your next video. I recently followed your GPX file of the Lost City as well. Cheers Jon Briddon
A great overview for those of us who are compulsive planners (and NOT living in the US!). I'll definitely re-watch this when it's time to plan the next trip
I used to work in the GIS field. Moved on to other things now, but still have access to professional GIS software. It was fun to do spatial analysis and mapping projects always having a good ride in the back of my mind. Not to mention mapping rides when things were slow. Gia looks interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Very impressive Brent, great video. I use Oziexplorer for what I do, for 4WDing, not as far to the right on your ocd chart as you, but still great to do the planning, not long back from almost 10,000 km in the outback, Vic, SA, NT, QLD. Have the pc version and on an android tablet in the 4wd. Also dump things into google Earth to look at things. The GPS program is very impressive with the dragging and dropping of routes to the roads. Will be following your other videos on mapping. Thanks for sharing, well done.
Mate thanks for taking the time to put this together. Appreciated. Up to now I have been one of those that pretty much wings it, but next year I intend to do the big lap so I'm starting to seriously look at mapping. Now if only we could get those maps and apps to show us the famous Aussie locked gate we'd be right.
Funnily enough I wrote to the CEO of GaiaGPS and asked that they build in Waze-like social functionality so that riders could mark locked gates and downed trees on their maps and it would appear to the rest of the riding community... I think that would be awesome.
Wow thanks I’ve been using Hema and Gaia for my off-road navigation for a while now, this has been really helpful I think I’ll be moving towards Gaia as my primary now
Thanks Brent. I’ve just started down the GPS track (no pun intended) recently so this should clear up some confusion about a few things. Looks like GiaGPS is pretty user friendly. 👍
Maccas, I'll often deviate from the plan, but doing the planning usually means I have hunted out the best tracks.... There is nothing more frustrating than going somewhere for a ride and then finding out that you missed a really scenic epic trail that you would have found with a bit of research.
I stumbled on to GAIA earlier this year and have also found it very useful in planning my motorcycle adventures. This video verified many of the techniques I've used, and also had several pieces of info that were helpful. The use of folders for managing data is one of those. It looks like there are a lot more backgrounds than I'm aware of, so I'll be looking into those (I'm in Oregon in the US). Look forward to watching the rest of these videos. Thanks for putting these together!
I also have the OCD navigation passion 😂 however my workflow & riding style is different! I ride Enduro in Vic. High country and while I cover less distance each day, each kilometre needs to be accounted for on double black diamond tracks as route changes can occur by anything unexpected or even by a flooded river. I seem to use OziExplorer the most, however I use about 5 or 6 different pieces of software and utilise the best features of each. I use 1:25k maps while planning the toughest routes and I always carry a 2nd or 3rd GPS / phone with the same waypoints/tracks for backup. Ps. Great video, thanks for sharing.
Great vid. I must be as OCD as you, our system of doing things is so similar however I’m a Basecamper😮 I’m 3/4 through planning an 18 day ride from CQ to Flinders Ranges and back in August. Love your work 👍👍
I do love Basecamp as well... It's not a great program from a UX perspective, but once you do come to grips with it, then it is super powerful. I will be going into Basecamp in the next video. I'd love to check out your Flinders /Camerons Corner route... I'm riding that route in April.... if you are interested in sharing, then drop me an email at brentbat@gmail.com.
Thanks Brent, really solid content. The thing I struggle with is knowing whether a particular route is any good. I try to use Goggle Earth but that also is somewhat limited in detail. Would like to hear how you address that - or maybe it is not an issue and you just take the good with the bad as part of the adventure?
Awesome informative video thanks Brent, also using GAIA and have found it to be one of the better programs with its many features and layering options. I wish my filing was as organized as yours!
My filing started off pretty haphazard, but as it started becoming more unweildly I just set up a few folders and moved all my assets into sub folders, so it's never too late to put some organisation into your filing :-)
I heard of Gia but never knew how it worked it’s interesting how it has useful layers of elevation change along with many similar functions of Basecamp
Does the Topo map layer import to Basecamp with a track to know where the elevation changes are. I use Talkytoaster Topo maps for Garmin Montana which have incredible detail buying as downloads and keep them on micro sd for the Montana
@@adysmith2760 You don't import the topo layer per se into Basecamp, but the track can be used with any map to calculate elevation changes. In the last episode I'm going to show you how I do that in Google Earth.
I'm a real fossil when it comes to planning and travelling. Paper maps and a bit of a look on Google maps and off I go. Slow going at times when you need to constantly pull out your paper map flapping in the wind😂to find out where to go.👍
I actually LOVE paper maps and will often carry one on my trips.... I enjoy pouring over paper maps at night or at a lunch stop.... but I never use them for navigation on the road.
This is the second video in-part relating/responding to the footloose fancy free rider who has recently released videos regarding mapping and adventure riding/packing. I really appreciate both ends of the scale. Some times I want to point and shoot other times I want a solid plan. Everyone's adventure is unique and I love watching them all! Also how's your mate with the busted leg?
I agree 100% that there is no right way.... I just wanted to show the opposite approach to footloose / fancy free. I expect many people will work out where they are on that continuum and find a navigation style that works for them. Oh and Craig is on the mend. Stitches are out (40 of them) and now he's just doing the rehab. His leg was badly broken so he will still be out for a couple more months.
Often the plan will be the starting place, but I still will deviate if I see a good looking track that I want to explore... but usually I'll have a good knowledge of the area which makes it easier to improve because I studied it during the planning phase.
Thank you for explaining map overlays, I've been struggling with that in OsmanMaps. I don't want to be dependent on a laptop so I do everything on an iPhone or iPad Mini, the latter is mounted on the bike. Please mention if certain things can only be done on a laptop. Part 1 was excellent🕊
Right now the only thing that I can think of that can only be done on the laptop is 3D viewing of the terrain (I'll demonstrate that on the next video). But as far as I know (at least with GaiaGPS) you can do pretty much everything on a phone/tablet.
Thanks for this tutorial. I am wondering if this is for adv riding with off-road capabilities? I am riding a street bike and having some concern that some of the route seems too rough and gnarly and may not be appropriate for street bike.
When you added Mt Coree as a way point and routed to it in your current route, it moved off your intended route to accommodate it. However, is there the option to insert(add) two waypoints on your current route and then pull that route to your Mt Coree way point? It would save having to go back to match your current route to your intended route. Great video Brent
I think I understand the question...... and the answer is yes.... you can click to add "shaping points" on a route (lets call them point A and Point B), and then add a 3rd shaping point (Point C) in between them that you can "pull" to Mt Coree waypoint..... it will then deviate only between point A and Point B to point C).
Thanks Brett, question while viewing, at start you were showing basic functions. I see on the bottom it had a part were it said routing Mode , and you had it at hiking? is it best to set it to this , or does it make any difference in other settings?
Yes, I usually leave mine in hiking mode because then the routing algorithm can take advantage of walking trails (which I can often ride). Obviously I still look at the trails that it is taking me on and will manually route around a pure walking trail.
Absolutely superb, Brent. Thank you for the effort you have put into this series. How do you judge how long to ride in a day? Is it a combination of experience and local knowledge, or do you have some other rules of thumb?
Hey Fred Great question... a lot of this determines on the terrain I am riding... it also depends on the nature of the ride... eg: A relaxing play around as part of a multi-day trip vs touring from A to B where I have to cover a certain distance over a number of days. Generally, if I'm designing a route for myself my guidelines would be as follows: About 8 or 9 hours in the saddle max. But for road riding, I wouldn't say I like doing much more than 500km on a long day If I'm planning on riding through more technical terrain (twin-track) then I'd probably be budgeting around 30-40 km/hour Dirt roads are probably more like 80km on average I hope that helps.
Brent, I discovered your Rever series first and now have watched your whole series using Gaia. I take it that Gaia is your go-to application now, rather than Rever?
Thanks for another invaluable video Brent. How do you work out how far you will get in a day? Is it just from experience or do you roughly divide the route in half if its over two days?
nice i saw you are using Hiking in the options...but this a lot of time is selecting single tracks for person which are not accessible to motorbike. Is there any way to instruct the software to select up to unpaved road?
I've used REVER navigation app and I download the GPX file and download it into Garmin's "Base Camp" I then transfer it to my Garmin Zumo 595. However, it often changes the route that I've set up using REVER. This appears to be a common experience with using different navigation apps. It's very frustrating. How can I travel around the world when I have no confidence that I'm on the correct route. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks, from South Carolina USA
The answer is to navigate using Tracks (not routes). Tracks can not be changed by the GPS unit (only routes can). I often do both... I have a track displayed (which is like highlighting a map with a highlighter), and then I might have the GPS navigate the same route using turn-by-turn.... but I can always see the track underneath, and if it tries to navigate me a different way, I just ignore it and follow the track and then it re-calculates.
Hi Brent Can you please share your colour coding convention for routes?. You mentioned yellow for alternate routes, what are your other conventions please?
I tend to alternate cyan and magenta as my main colours, because they don't clash with anything else on the map and they are stand out nicely.... So I might do day 1 as cyan, day 2 magenta, day 3 cyan etc. I can usually pick cyan out from creeks and rivers, and there is nothing on a map close to magenta. I also try to get everyone I'm riding with to use the same conventions with colour, because there is nothing more frustrating than hearing somebody up front say on the Sena.... "Do I take the green or the Purple track".... and I don't have any of those colours on mine.... So when I share the tracks with my riding buddies, I usually do a little print screen of the colours I've set up and encourage them to replicate it.
Hi Brent, As I'm continuing to struggle with Rever, you've moved on to Gaia GPS. Is there anything I should know now that I've paid for another Rever subscription or should I move on to Gaia? Thanks, Dave Sharpe
David, it depends on the types of mapping you are doing and where you live. If you live in the USA in a region where the Butler motorcycle data is available, then that is a compelling reason to stay with Rever, as far as I know they are the only ones that display graded roads for motorcycles. However, if you live in an area where that is not the case, or you are doing offroad navigation, then I feel Gaia is a better app.
A very good tutorial which explains a lot. It's also good to know that different geographical areas of other parts of the world display/have different options available. I create all my tracks using Google Earth and only recently looked at GAIA as a alternative option. I'm not sure if I'll use it as my main source as I use Google Earth but handy as a backup plan on the move if needed. I also do not use my phone for following routes but my Montana. It's fairly accurate and robust plus I like it where it's positioned on my bike. In Kenya the data available for mapping purposes is very basic and that is where GAIA comes in for cross referencing as it will show more data compared to Google Earth. The other thing about creating routes is how well the roads are kept. In Kenya a road you took only six months ago will either not be there due to a wash out scenario or it's now become someone's property and fenced off!! Campsites are the same. Today here tomorrow gone unless you stick to the few well run ones. It's annoying! THIS IS WILD KENYA for you!! This is a route I created using Google Earth. Check it out - th-cam.com/video/BygmkhW7sd4/w-d-xo.html 😆
Just have a question regarding your bike Brent, after you fitted the wings pipe were you getting surging and if so how did you fix it, because I am experiencing that now on my new 690
Hi Brent, Great video! If you have Gaia premium, is it possible to create routes when you have no internet connection? I only can find that it is possible to navigate offline but i would like to know if it is possible to download maps and then create routes when I don't have internet connection.
Hi Stef, When you download the maps for offline use to your phone, you. have the option of downloading the offline routing data as well. This means that you can re-route or create routes without an internet connection.
Hey Charles, great question. The way I try to verify it is ridable includes: 1) Using gpx files from others that have ridden a route (although that is not always guaranteed) 2) I turn on the NSW topo basemaps which will indicate locked gates (mostly) 3) I also will turn on "Public tracks" on the overlays to see if others use this trail 4) I will then also send my route to Rangers if I'm riding through National Parks (they have been great at giving me feedback) 5) I will also ask questions of locals on Facebook forums But even with all of these steps, sometimes you run into downed trees, overgrown trails or locked gates, so you still have to find a way to route around the obstacle.
@@brentbat very helpful again, many thanks. I was mainly thinking in terms of “big bike friendly” vs single track friendly like for your 701. Great stuff and really helped ie the organization of tracks and waypoints
@@thecorporategypsy The Overland layer does give you some indications of the type of tracks.... dirt roads are generally safe... twin track can be hit or miss. I also keep an eye on the elevation profile to see how steep hills are etc. But usually the best advice is from locals that have ridden them, so I use the forums regularly. Otherwise, when you are trying somewhere that is a bit sketchy, think about what your "Plan B" is if you have to back out and route around it.
@@brentbat thats very helpful thanks again. I just pulled up the Overland layer and see what you are referring to. Thank you again, much appreciated! Happy Hols
Now I know how a dog feels when he watches TV. I was really hoping for more of a "Adventure Route Planning for Dummies." Having had a career in military aviation, and commercial aviation I was hoping the tutorial would be a good base. That was more like sticking someone in the left seat (Captain's seat) of an Airbus 350, and after 42 mins go....OK, you're good to fly from JFK to SYD. And then walk out of the flight deck. Don't take me wrong. I love your videos and share them often. But, for beginning route planning, that was a whirlwind. I was really hoping more for a beginner version. None of the layer stuff, alt routes. Just A to B. With some of the main inputs like gas, lodging, and food. And the speed of your clicks was great if you were totally familiar with GAIA. Hopefully you'll come back later and "dumb it down" for folks like me who are still just learning GAIA and how to load a Garmin for use off road. Thanks for all you do.
Rick, sorry if this was a bit fast and intense, but even going at this speed, I had 4X 40min videos. If I really went back to basics it would be hours and hours and hours of material. There are some good generic Gaia tutorials out there, take a look through those. Then you might want to look at this video th-cam.com/video/JZxEvye7j0I/w-d-xo.html which is more of the philosophy and approach to planning. You'll find that you'll come up the learning curve pretty quickly. Hang in there.
@@brentbat Not a cut Brother. I've watched 3 of the 4 so far. I'll probably rewatch again after I'm a little more familiar with it. Keep up the great work!!
Hello Brent! Thanks for sharing your experience! Do I understand correctly that when plotting a route, you cannot set a restriction on the use of roads (for example, exclude toll roads or set the use of only dirt roads) or are these limitations of the free version?
You are correct, Gaia does not have these restrictions built into it. If you use other programs (like Rever), then you can specify things like avoid dirt, avoid tolls etc. Also if you are building ROUTES (as opposed to tracks), you can program those avoidances into the GPS unit which it will use when creating routes for you between waypoints (I'm going to cover routes vs tracks in my next video).
@@evgeniysir4220 Yes, it is all quite confusing when you jump into the world of GPS.... I am hopeful that once folks work through the 4 videos, they will have a really solid understanding of the whole topic.
Yes, but if you convert that "frankenstein route" into a track.... and then delete the route... then all will be fixed :-). See part 2 of the series about 20min in for details on how to do this.
Brent thanks, I went back watch the vid all good. I am enjoying your series very much. As I am time poor I am starting to plan and structure my rides. I just bought a nav 6. Fingers crossed it will not fail.
Thanks for making this tutorial, I am following the edit route instructions minute 32:05, I want to re-routing in the middle of the path, but my Gaia doesn't re-route when I do click on the line instead it extends the end of the route to the point that I do click, How can I change that behavior?
Hey Luis Try saving your route and then coming back and editing it by clicking edit on the name of the route, and then clicking mid-route somewhere and dragging. Let me know if it is still now working for you.
12D is a Survey software, and the "cyan, magenta..." are only colours they use (as they standout). All good, came across your stuff when you called in Ambos on one of your rides. Remember seeing an Aurora 690 that was done buy Andrew Houlihan in the video. That kind of stuff is pretty close to my heart as up here (FNQ), not too many run SOS/UHF/PLB/SATPHONE, and when you bring the topic up, get shot down by 'group experts'. I am segwaying, so keep producing, got GAIA full version after first few minutes of the video.
@@geoffmoore3005 Nice to meet you. I’m finally putting Aurora tanks on my 701. Andrew has just shipped them. Getting ready for a ride across the Simpson. Sounds like we share similar interests. Take care BP
@@brentbat I am yet to do the tanks on my 701. Got the Aurora Rally Tower, TWIN PEGS (please look into them; at our age make a huge difference). Have not even changed stock air box, as I really do not know which way to go atm, was thinking Rade Garage, but then if I do that I am wasting that money if I get those tanks to go with the Aurora gear.
@@geoffmoore3005 Hey Geoff, I've got the Lynx fairing on my bike which I'm happy with. I did a fairly extensive amount of research on extra tanks... Looked closely at the Rade but ultimately went for the Aurora. Multiple reasons: I didn't want the extra induction noise, I think you get better water protection from the standard air box, I wanted more than an extra 5L of fuel. The Aurora tanks are ridiculously expensive, but I am fortunate that my wife bought them for me for my birthday/xmas present. So I figure if I can afford them, why shouldn't I buy the best. I'm no spring chicken, so for me it's about really loving my riding and not compromising on gear if I don't have to.
I talk about how to sync routes and download maps on the smart phone app in the next video.... But I normally work on a big screen desktop computer, so I'm not going to go into how to plan routes using the smartphone app..... It works pretty similarly to the desktop app, it's just the route creation that is a bit different on the phone because you use fingers instead of a mouse.
So..... I'm not alone. I've been passionate about maps before I got interested in girls. The old saying when you don't plan you're planning to fail. You're doing big thing Brent passing your experience on to others. Appreciate your time and input.
This is the BEST mapping tutorial I have ever run across. You describe how to use ALL the most common and useful tools. Thx for your videos, Brent. Can't wait for Part 4
Brilliant information. Have watched all 4 at least 4 times over. Thanks' a mill for putting it all together mate! Especially as I have just got myself, a new Zumo XT2
Another Brent that likes mapping and planning. Awesome. Great vid.
More than one nugget in there for me Brent, even as a seasoned adventurer .Thank you
Brent Thank you so much for your in depth tutorial for off road planning and navigation. I am inspired to do some of your trips in NSW and the Flinders Ranges. I have decided to buy a DRz400 and follow some of your tracks.Your experience and generosity in sharing information is very much appreciated.I will send you a photo or two of my first trip.
Thanks Brent, I've been using Gaia for over 18 months and wasn't aware of a number of process's you showed me today.👍
Very cool series. Those of us with Jobs and kids have limited timeframes to go on trips so planning is common - you can’t always just ride into the mountains and see what happens, when you have kids at home and have to show up for work Monday. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much Brent. Good info for sure...as always.
Watched Part 1 last night and subscribed to Gaia straight after. Going on a ride this weekend and I had tried to map it on Google Maps - suffice to say it was a pain trying to finesse the process. With Gaia, I had a circa 400 klm ride planned with waypoints all sorted within 20 minutes. Brilliant. Thank you very much for this and your other vids, Brent. Looking forward to watching the remaining three mapping editions. Thanks again.
Hey Raymond. Really glad these tips helped. It is actually fun and easy when you work it out, but very frustrating when you don’t know the techniques or little tricks.
Have a great ride.
Brent
mate, that's great, definitely on the OCD end of the scale like yourself. just started watching the series, within seconds, as I write this, I can see you've nailed it. Really looking forward to what lays ahead. Gold Coast
Great work Brent. As you will see in the Sydney Adventure Riders file section I have placed some files recently which are rehashes of other rides on there that I have downloaded, ridden and added to. I have a Zumo XT so looking forward to your next video. I recently followed your GPX file of the Lost City as well. Cheers Jon Briddon
A great overview for those of us who are compulsive planners (and NOT living in the US!). I'll definitely re-watch this when it's time to plan the next trip
Great content. Came at the right time as I plan an off-road ride overseas.
Looking forward to the next three videos.
Hopefully I'll have video 2 done by the end of today.
I used to work in the GIS field. Moved on to other things now, but still have access to professional GIS software. It was fun to do spatial analysis and mapping projects always having a good ride in the back of my mind. Not to mention mapping rides when things were slow. Gia looks interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Very impressive Brent, great video. I use Oziexplorer for what I do, for 4WDing, not as far to the right on your ocd chart as you, but still great to do the planning, not long back from almost 10,000 km in the outback, Vic, SA, NT, QLD. Have the pc version and on an android tablet in the 4wd. Also dump things into google Earth to look at things. The GPS program is very impressive with the dragging and dropping of routes to the roads. Will be following your other videos on mapping. Thanks for sharing, well done.
Cheers Brent. Great to get some insight into how others go about it. Very helpful as always.
Mate thanks for taking the time to put this together. Appreciated. Up to now I have been one of those that pretty much wings it, but next year I intend to do the big lap so I'm starting to seriously look at mapping. Now if only we could get those maps and apps to show us the famous Aussie locked gate we'd be right.
Funnily enough I wrote to the CEO of GaiaGPS and asked that they build in Waze-like social functionality so that riders could mark locked gates and downed trees on their maps and it would appear to the rest of the riding community... I think that would be awesome.
Wow thanks I’ve been using Hema and Gaia for my off-road navigation for a while now, this has been really helpful
I think I’ll be moving towards Gaia as my primary now
Thanks Brent. I’ve just started down the GPS track (no pun intended) recently so this should clear up some confusion about a few things. Looks like GiaGPS is pretty user friendly. 👍
Thanks for doing these videos, Brent. Your navigation videos have been a huge help for me in planning routes. Cheers, Jeff
Thanks Brent great video, I think I fall into the Wing it basket, but now you have explained it I’m going to give it a go.
Maccas, I'll often deviate from the plan, but doing the planning usually means I have hunted out the best tracks.... There is nothing more frustrating than going somewhere for a ride and then finding out that you missed a really scenic epic trail that you would have found with a bit of research.
@@brentbat yeh i can totally relate. You still loving the BMW? I'm tossing up between Africa Twin / BMW GSa
@@maccas44 no I sold my GS. I’ve gone for a lighter Husky 701. My riding is more technical terrain and the Husky is 100kg lighter than the GS.
I stumbled on to GAIA earlier this year and have also found it very useful in planning my motorcycle adventures. This video verified many of the techniques I've used, and also had several pieces of info that were helpful. The use of folders for managing data is one of those. It looks like there are a lot more backgrounds than I'm aware of, so I'll be looking into those (I'm in Oregon in the US). Look forward to watching the rest of these videos. Thanks for putting these together!
I also have the OCD navigation passion 😂 however my workflow & riding style is different! I ride Enduro in Vic. High country and while I cover less distance each day, each kilometre needs to be accounted for on double black diamond tracks as route changes can occur by anything unexpected or even by a flooded river.
I seem to use OziExplorer the most, however I use about 5 or 6 different pieces of software and utilise the best features of each. I use 1:25k maps while planning the toughest routes and I always carry a 2nd or 3rd GPS / phone with the same waypoints/tracks for backup.
Ps. Great video, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for posting this information Brent, helped me a lot in understanding.
Great vid. I must be as OCD as you, our system of doing things is so similar however I’m a Basecamper😮
I’m 3/4 through planning an 18 day ride from CQ to Flinders Ranges and back in August.
Love your work 👍👍
I do love Basecamp as well... It's not a great program from a UX perspective, but once you do come to grips with it, then it is super powerful. I will be going into Basecamp in the next video. I'd love to check out your Flinders /Camerons Corner route... I'm riding that route in April.... if you are interested in sharing, then drop me an email at brentbat@gmail.com.
Thanks Brent, really solid content. The thing I struggle with is knowing whether a particular route is any good. I try to use Goggle Earth but that also is somewhat limited in detail. Would like to hear how you address that - or maybe it is not an issue and you just take the good with the bad as part of the adventure?
Awesome informative video thanks Brent, also using GAIA and have found it to be one of the better programs with its many features and layering options. I wish my filing was as organized as yours!
My filing started off pretty haphazard, but as it started becoming more unweildly I just set up a few folders and moved all my assets into sub folders, so it's never too late to put some organisation into your filing :-)
Brilliant info, thanks so much.
Thank you for explaining this so well.
You are a legend, golden info, thanks
I heard of Gia but never knew how it worked it’s interesting how it has useful layers of elevation change along with many similar functions of Basecamp
Yes, it's just faster, more intuitive and more powerful than Basecamp. I still bring into Basecamp to clean the gpx file and send it to the GPS.
Does the Topo map layer import to Basecamp with a track to know where the elevation changes are. I use Talkytoaster Topo maps for Garmin Montana which have incredible detail buying as downloads and keep them on micro sd for the Montana
@@adysmith2760 You don't import the topo layer per se into Basecamp, but the track can be used with any map to calculate elevation changes. In the last episode I'm going to show you how I do that in Google Earth.
Thanks Brent. Great video.
I bet you never pay for beers when you plan routes for rides with your mates! Great tutorial, Brent
Hmmmm... actually I do pay for beers... but now you have me thinking :-)
I'm a real fossil when it comes to planning and travelling. Paper maps and a bit of a look on Google maps and off I go. Slow going at times when you need to constantly pull out your paper map flapping in the wind😂to find out where to go.👍
I actually LOVE paper maps and will often carry one on my trips.... I enjoy pouring over paper maps at night or at a lunch stop.... but I never use them for navigation on the road.
This is the second video in-part relating/responding to the footloose fancy free rider who has recently released videos regarding mapping and adventure riding/packing. I really appreciate both ends of the scale. Some times I want to point and shoot other times I want a solid plan. Everyone's adventure is unique and I love watching them all! Also how's your mate with the busted leg?
I agree 100% that there is no right way.... I just wanted to show the opposite approach to footloose / fancy free. I expect many people will work out where they are on that continuum and find a navigation style that works for them. Oh and Craig is on the mend. Stitches are out (40 of them) and now he's just doing the rehab. His leg was badly broken so he will still be out for a couple more months.
Brilliant help, great vid.
Gotta say mate. I'm a mapping tragic as well. Sticking to the route is the hard part sometimes. Depending on how much you're winging a 'plan'.
Often the plan will be the starting place, but I still will deviate if I see a good looking track that I want to explore... but usually I'll have a good knowledge of the area which makes it easier to improve because I studied it during the planning phase.
Love all your videos, I appreciate the hard work.
New subscriber. Cheers!🍻
Thank you for explaining map overlays, I've been struggling with that in OsmanMaps. I don't want to be dependent on a laptop so I do everything on an iPhone or iPad Mini, the latter is mounted on the bike. Please mention if certain things can only be done on a laptop. Part 1 was excellent🕊
Right now the only thing that I can think of that can only be done on the laptop is 3D viewing of the terrain (I'll demonstrate that on the next video). But as far as I know (at least with GaiaGPS) you can do pretty much everything on a phone/tablet.
Thanks for this tutorial. I am wondering if this is for adv riding with off-road capabilities? I am riding a street bike and having some concern that some of the route seems too rough and gnarly and may not be appropriate for street bike.
When you added Mt Coree as a way point and routed to it in your current route, it moved off your intended route to accommodate it. However, is there the option to insert(add) two waypoints on your current route and then pull that route to your Mt Coree way point? It would save having to go back to match your current route to your intended route. Great video Brent
I think I understand the question...... and the answer is yes.... you can click to add "shaping points" on a route (lets call them point A and Point B), and then add a 3rd shaping point (Point C) in between them that you can "pull" to Mt Coree waypoint..... it will then deviate only between point A and Point B to point C).
Brent, I’m a retired USMC Pilot and a huge fan of your channel. Can I ask….. why did you switch from REVER to Gia GPS?
Gaia had better off road maps for me in Australia. REVER is still better for Butler graded road rides.
Thank you for Sharing 🙂
Thanks Brett, question while viewing, at start you were showing basic functions. I see on the bottom it had a part were it said routing Mode , and you had it at hiking? is it best to set it to this , or does it make any difference in other settings?
Yes, I usually leave mine in hiking mode because then the routing algorithm can take advantage of walking trails (which I can often ride). Obviously I still look at the trails that it is taking me on and will manually route around a pure walking trail.
Absolutely superb, Brent. Thank you for the effort you have put into this series. How do you judge how long to ride in a day? Is it a combination of experience and local knowledge, or do you have some other rules of thumb?
Hey Fred
Great question... a lot of this determines on the terrain I am riding... it also depends on the nature of the ride... eg: A relaxing play around as part of a multi-day trip vs touring from A to B where I have to cover a certain distance over a number of days.
Generally, if I'm designing a route for myself my guidelines would be as follows:
About 8 or 9 hours in the saddle max.
But for road riding, I wouldn't say I like doing much more than 500km on a long day
If I'm planning on riding through more technical terrain (twin-track) then I'd probably be budgeting around 30-40 km/hour
Dirt roads are probably more like 80km on average
I hope that helps.
Brent, I discovered your Rever series first and now have watched your whole series using Gaia. I take it that Gaia is your go-to application now, rather than Rever?
Yes, I use Gaia for my route planning now.
Thanks for another invaluable video Brent. How do you work out how far you will get in a day? Is it just from experience or do you roughly divide the route in half if its over two days?
nice i saw you are using Hiking in the options...but this a lot of time is selecting single tracks for person which are not accessible to motorbike. Is there any way to instruct the software to select up to unpaved road?
You can change it to cycling or driving... I will typically flick between hiking and cycling.
I've used REVER navigation app and I download the GPX file and download it into Garmin's "Base Camp" I then transfer it to my Garmin Zumo 595. However, it often changes the route that I've set up using REVER. This appears to be a common experience with using different navigation apps. It's very frustrating. How can I travel around the world when I have no confidence that I'm on the correct route. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks, from South Carolina USA
The answer is to navigate using Tracks (not routes). Tracks can not be changed by the GPS unit (only routes can). I often do both... I have a track displayed (which is like highlighting a map with a highlighter), and then I might have the GPS navigate the same route using turn-by-turn.... but I can always see the track underneath, and if it tries to navigate me a different way, I just ignore it and follow the track and then it re-calculates.
Hi Brent Can you please share your colour coding convention for routes?. You mentioned yellow for alternate routes, what are your other conventions please?
I tend to alternate cyan and magenta as my main colours, because they don't clash with anything else on the map and they are stand out nicely.... So I might do day 1 as cyan, day 2 magenta, day 3 cyan etc. I can usually pick cyan out from creeks and rivers, and there is nothing on a map close to magenta. I also try to get everyone I'm riding with to use the same conventions with colour, because there is nothing more frustrating than hearing somebody up front say on the Sena.... "Do I take the green or the Purple track".... and I don't have any of those colours on mine.... So when I share the tracks with my riding buddies, I usually do a little print screen of the colours I've set up and encourage them to replicate it.
Very helpful thank you. I’m inspired to organize my info on the app. Lots of great tips in your video
Hi Brent,
As I'm continuing to struggle with Rever, you've moved on to Gaia GPS. Is there anything I should know now that I've paid for another Rever subscription or should I move on to Gaia?
Thanks,
Dave Sharpe
David, it depends on the types of mapping you are doing and where you live. If you live in the USA in a region where the Butler motorcycle data is available, then that is a compelling reason to stay with Rever, as far as I know they are the only ones that display graded roads for motorcycles.
However, if you live in an area where that is not the case, or you are doing offroad navigation, then I feel Gaia is a better app.
A very good tutorial which explains a lot. It's also good to know that different geographical areas of other parts of the world display/have different options available. I create all my tracks using Google Earth and only recently looked at GAIA as a alternative option. I'm not sure if I'll use it as my main source as I use Google Earth but handy as a backup plan on the move if needed. I also do not use my phone for following routes but my Montana. It's fairly accurate and robust plus I like it where it's positioned on my bike. In Kenya the data available for mapping purposes is very basic and that is where GAIA comes in for cross referencing as it will show more data compared to Google Earth. The other thing about creating routes is how well the roads are kept. In Kenya a road you took only six months ago will either not be there due to a wash out scenario or it's now become someone's property and fenced off!! Campsites are the same. Today here tomorrow gone unless you stick to the few well run ones. It's annoying! THIS IS WILD KENYA for you!! This is a route I created using Google Earth. Check it out - th-cam.com/video/BygmkhW7sd4/w-d-xo.html 😆
Just have a question regarding your bike Brent, after you fitted the wings pipe were you getting surging and if so how did you fix it, because I am experiencing that now on my new 690
Hey Jack, No, I didn't get any surging after putting on the Wings.
@@brentbat all good going in for it’s 1000k service next month I will get the dealer to check it out
Hi Brent, Great video! If you have Gaia premium, is it possible to create routes when you have no internet connection? I only can find that it is possible to navigate offline but i would like to know if it is possible to download maps and then create routes when I don't have internet connection.
Hi Stef, When you download the maps for offline use to your phone, you. have the option of downloading the offline routing data as well. This means that you can re-route or create routes without an internet connection.
Very good, very helpful! When you pick the route, how do you know whether its a rideable trail/route?
Hey Charles, great question. The way I try to verify it is ridable includes:
1) Using gpx files from others that have ridden a route (although that is not always guaranteed)
2) I turn on the NSW topo basemaps which will indicate locked gates (mostly)
3) I also will turn on "Public tracks" on the overlays to see if others use this trail
4) I will then also send my route to Rangers if I'm riding through National Parks (they have been great at giving me feedback)
5) I will also ask questions of locals on Facebook forums
But even with all of these steps, sometimes you run into downed trees, overgrown trails or locked gates, so you still have to find a way to route around the obstacle.
@@brentbat very helpful again, many thanks. I was mainly thinking in terms of “big bike friendly” vs single track friendly like for your 701. Great stuff and really helped ie the organization of tracks and waypoints
@@thecorporategypsy The Overland layer does give you some indications of the type of tracks.... dirt roads are generally safe... twin track can be hit or miss. I also keep an eye on the elevation profile to see how steep hills are etc. But usually the best advice is from locals that have ridden them, so I use the forums regularly. Otherwise, when you are trying somewhere that is a bit sketchy, think about what your "Plan B" is if you have to back out and route around it.
@@brentbat thats very helpful thanks again. I just pulled up the Overland layer and see what you are referring to. Thank you again, much appreciated! Happy Hols
Now I know how a dog feels when he watches TV. I was really hoping for more of a "Adventure Route Planning for Dummies."
Having had a career in military aviation, and commercial aviation I was hoping the tutorial would be a good base.
That was more like sticking someone in the left seat (Captain's seat) of an Airbus 350, and after 42 mins go....OK, you're good to fly from JFK to SYD. And then walk out of the flight deck.
Don't take me wrong. I love your videos and share them often. But, for beginning route planning, that was a whirlwind. I was really hoping more for a beginner version. None of the layer stuff, alt routes. Just A to B. With some of the main inputs like gas, lodging, and food. And the speed of your clicks was great if you were totally familiar with GAIA.
Hopefully you'll come back later and "dumb it down" for folks like me who are still just learning GAIA and how to load a Garmin for use off road.
Thanks for all you do.
Rick, sorry if this was a bit fast and intense, but even going at this speed, I had 4X 40min videos. If I really went back to basics it would be hours and hours and hours of material. There are some good generic Gaia tutorials out there, take a look through those. Then you might want to look at this video th-cam.com/video/JZxEvye7j0I/w-d-xo.html which is more of the philosophy and approach to planning. You'll find that you'll come up the learning curve pretty quickly. Hang in there.
@@brentbat Not a cut Brother. I've watched 3 of the 4 so far. I'll probably rewatch again after I'm a little more familiar with it. Keep up the great work!!
Hello Brent! Thanks for sharing your experience! Do I understand correctly that when plotting a route, you cannot set a restriction on the use of roads (for example, exclude toll roads or set the use of only dirt roads) or are these limitations of the free version?
You are correct, Gaia does not have these restrictions built into it. If you use other programs (like Rever), then you can specify things like avoid dirt, avoid tolls etc.
Also if you are building ROUTES (as opposed to tracks), you can program those avoidances into the GPS unit which it will use when creating routes for you between waypoints (I'm going to cover routes vs tracks in my next video).
@@brentbatThank you for your reply! I look forward to more videos. I am in the process of choosing tools and equipment for travel planning.
@@brentbat Good, as I don't yet appreciate the difference between a route and a track
@@evgeniysir4220 Yes, it is all quite confusing when you jump into the world of GPS.... I am hopeful that once folks work through the 4 videos, they will have a really solid understanding of the whole topic.
Mate, very good series but when I import a route from Gaia into Basecamp it imports hundred of waypoints
Yes, but if you convert that "frankenstein route" into a track.... and then delete the route... then all will be fixed :-). See part 2 of the series about 20min in for details on how to do this.
Brent thanks, I went back watch the vid all good. I am enjoying your series very much. As I am time poor I am starting to plan and structure my rides. I just bought a nav 6. Fingers crossed it will not fail.
Thanks for making this tutorial, I am following the edit route instructions minute 32:05, I want to re-routing in the middle of the path, but my Gaia doesn't re-route when I do click on the line instead it extends the end of the route to the point that I do click, How can I change that behavior?
Hey Luis
Try saving your route and then coming back and editing it by clicking edit on the name of the route, and then clicking mid-route somewhere and dragging. Let me know if it is still now working for you.
Brent, I must admit, this is pretty good, but I am guessing you are a Surveyor or at the very least a draftsman. Using 12D a bit huh...
Hey Geoff... Nope, neither surveyer or draftsman. I actually run a tech company. What is 12D?
12D is a Survey software, and the "cyan, magenta..." are only colours they use (as they standout). All good, came across your stuff when you called in Ambos on one of your rides. Remember seeing an Aurora 690 that was done buy Andrew Houlihan in the video. That kind of stuff is pretty close to my heart as up here (FNQ), not too many run SOS/UHF/PLB/SATPHONE, and when you bring the topic up, get shot down by 'group experts'. I am segwaying, so keep producing, got GAIA full version after first few minutes of the video.
@@geoffmoore3005
Nice to meet you.
I’m finally putting Aurora tanks on my 701. Andrew has just shipped them. Getting ready for a ride across the Simpson.
Sounds like we share similar interests.
Take care
BP
@@brentbat I am yet to do the tanks on my 701. Got the Aurora Rally Tower, TWIN PEGS (please look into them; at our age make a huge difference). Have not even changed stock air box, as I really do not know which way to go atm, was thinking Rade Garage, but then if I do that I am wasting that money if I get those tanks to go with the Aurora gear.
@@geoffmoore3005 Hey Geoff, I've got the Lynx fairing on my bike which I'm happy with. I did a fairly extensive amount of research on extra tanks... Looked closely at the Rade but ultimately went for the Aurora. Multiple reasons: I didn't want the extra induction noise, I think you get better water protection from the standard air box, I wanted more than an extra 5L of fuel.
The Aurora tanks are ridiculously expensive, but I am fortunate that my wife bought them for me for my birthday/xmas present. So I figure if I can afford them, why shouldn't I buy the best. I'm no spring chicken, so for me it's about really loving my riding and not compromising on gear if I don't have to.
What about using Gia GPS on your smart phone?
I talk about how to sync routes and download maps on the smart phone app in the next video.... But I normally work on a big screen desktop computer, so I'm not going to go into how to plan routes using the smartphone app..... It works pretty similarly to the desktop app, it's just the route creation that is a bit different on the phone because you use fingers instead of a mouse.
@@brentbat Yeah i saw your new video this morning and it answered my question. Thanks again Brett. This is top notch. Well done
Oh boy my Brain hurts 😉😅