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More like the most poorly animated light novel of the year, given how good the plot and presentation was in the LN. I mean all the characters are like wall paper. They don’t even move! Does JC really understand what animation is?
4:00About Aiz... we missed the context because Sword Oratory isn't animated... a shame, in sumaries... Aiz went to ask Ottar to train her, in exchange Freya tells her that she will charge an equally unreasonable favor in the future, not to worry, it won't be anything crazy xD
Do you mean this 2017 series? Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria Sword Oratoria: Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side
@@GeraldWalls in the mangas and light novels she probably shows the most expressions (she’s also the author’s favorite so i feel it has to kill him what they do to her each season)
12:34 adding the L to Ottar is actually just in the anime and later the mobile games. The official translated novels keep it as Ottar. Not to mention that the Norse myth that hes inspired by is spelled Óttar
Not gonna lie… that speech from Anya was ABSOLUTELY FIRE!!! MY GIRL NAILED IT!!! I’m not even joking, there she gave me some serious “Oda Nobunaga vibes” Her speech was on the level of Alexander the Great after Opis revolt I’m genuinely so happy for Lili, everyone’s eyes were literally glued to her, and I really hope that this also helps her boost her own self-confidence (I feel like given her past she has extremely low self esteem and thinks very little of herself) I’m happy for her, but also for Hestia and for all the characters that in the last couple of seasons were a bit (necessarily for plot development) put into a corner… I also hope that Haruhime, Mikoto and Welf (and everyone else) will be able to give a significant contribute in this war game
I obviously meant to write “Lili” instead of Anya… Maybe I did it subconsciously because I was still thinking about her and Allen and what could have been going on between them😅
The reason Aiz could not help them was coz she owed a favour to Freya in the Sword orotorio story which Freya used to stop her. She basically asked for help from freya to train with ottar. PLus they didn't show Bell's status before Levelling, I think all the stats were S and higher. For reference most people level up with their stats at C or B with one or 2 main stats at A
Bell's stats were all SSS. Lowest was magic between 1200 and 1300. Strength and dexterity were in the 1300s. Agility was in the 1400s. And Endurance was over 1500. By far his highest stats at level up.
Anime cut it but Ottarl and Freya have a hold on ais and loki Ais owes a favor to ottarl and they are asking her to pay them by not getting any inclusion with this matter
@torresreimarcjamesy.5821 uhm if loki and Freya familia fight one or both would crumble With loki familia with lvl boost Freya familia will lose but with ottarl some of loki familia will be out so It's a complete lose for orario
@@torresreimarcjamesy.5821 it's explained in the episode for Ais it's Freya's jealousy nothing more, the rest of the Loki fam could join as Hedin says, it's the guild which asks them not to join and the Loki fam which accepts That
@@GenuisSocietyNo83Hertaif Loki familia fought freya 1v1 it’s mutually destroyed destruction They’d both lose But if Loki familia were in a unified alliance, the freya familia would be crushed. With Loki familia being by far the strongest unopposed faction in orario They’d basically be able to do whatever they want and no one could stop them. That’s kinda why the guild stopped them
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 Finn stated specifically that they have gone up against Freya multiple times, yet neither of them have collapsed yet. And this is a War Game in which restraint will be shown. Royman is a corrupt coward who is just making excuses. On top of that. Bell is levelling at superspeed. If Freya were to get him in her familia, that would also throw the balance of power out the window. Bell would be level 7 or 8 in a matter of months, which would put Freya even further ahead of Loki.
Danmachi game "memoria freese" th-cam.com/video/1v4Fv7QmaRk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WqoaejAzKnWD1lIY 29:00~38:00 In this video, you can see why Aiz can't help Bell. (Sorry about my english. i can't speak well)
Freya's best outclasses the entire world. :-P More than anything else I think what I've wanted to see this season is the arival of the wind in favor of the Hestia Familia. :)
Wow… This episode was just the prelude to the war game, but I’m SO HYPED UP!!!😍 Freya going all-in apparently, huh? Nice to see how the guild is PERFECTLY AND TOTALLY IMPARTIAL, so much so that they basically bribed (under Freya Familia’s pressure) Finn in order to keep Loki’s Familia out of the game…😂 I guess I did a little bit of foreshadowing in the last episode when I said that all the girls of the Hestia Familia (and Eina) would spend the next days kneeling in front of Bell and asking him for forgiveness😂 (tbf it wasn’t that hard to predict it) I’m intrigued by Finn’s “fascination” or at least attention towards Lili… Is it just because she’s a prum (or pallum) like him and he instinctively “empathizes” with her? Does he see potential in her? Is there a deeper connection we don’t know about? (Maybe after the war game, Finn will tell her: “Liliruca, the truth is… that I… AM YOUR FATHER!!!”😂) I guess it could potentially be all three of them, but we’ll have to wait and see…🤔 Also interesting to notice how many captains defy their Gods and join the Hestia Familia in the alliance (an ulterior proof of how popular and loved Bell is) YES!!! MY BOY IS FINALLY A LVL.5!!!🤩 I appreciated a lot how Tiona and her sister supervised Bell’s training in Ais absence😍 Hogni… How much of a snowflake can you be? He already misses his friend Bell…🥰 (I bet Hodin does too, but he’ll never admit it…)😂 I’m telling you right now: during the war game watch out for Asfi and especially Anya… Feel like our favorite cat girl will find her occasion to shine!!! COME ON ANYA!!! FIGHT!!! P.S. I wonder what Ryu has been up to during this week…. She surely isn’t the type to just sit and watch without doing anything… Maybe she could be the key…🤔
Hello The guild doesn't want to have any losses among Loki and Freya's fam, that's why she doesn't want loki to participate. Freya doesn't care, she want them to join (as Hedin tells Finn), she just wants Ais to stay away out of jealousy Finn wants to restore the honor of his people, which is why he pays attention to Lili. Maybe he wants a “deeper” connection with her 😭 ( no joke ) For now there seem to be several groups in the alliance, those who fight for Bell, those who fight because they dont forgive, and those who want Freya's downfall ( Loki fam would have happily participated but fight against stronger opponents ...it takes courage) Ryu …👀
@O.O-m3j4b Hello there, nice to see you again after last week!🤗 Thank you as always for your reply: It’s understandable that the guild tries to do what’s best for Orario (in this case trying to avoid that the two most powerful Familias annihilate each other in a “senseless” war game) but it still makes me doubt about their “integrity”: if they decided it was necessary for the sake of Orario, I feel like they would happily wipe out lesser Familias… You know, like: “For the greater good…” and that kind of stuff…😒 Oh, no… For the love of God, please no… If from now on the relationship between Finn and Lili transforms into a “teacher/student” like one, I’m all for it: under his teachings I believe that Lili could become truly a brilliant strategist (feel like she’s a “diamond in the rough”, she has the potential to maybe reach is level, as a strategist, but she still has to refine her skills as a leader… Nevertheless I really think she’s got a natural talent for it) and by doing so she could really help Bell in the future in the dungeon exploration, not just as a simple supporter, but as a true guide, who’s always able to offer him the best advice on how to proceed… So that would be cool, and I’m okay with that… BUT PLEASE NOTHING MORE THAN THAT… I really wouldn’t like seeing them in a “deeper” relationship (but maybe that’s just me) Because since the beginning I’ve quite disliked/not really liked Finn: don’t get me wrong I do think that he’s super clever and possibly the greatest tactician in all of Orario, but I don’t really like him as a human being (oh well… he’s a prum, but you get what I mean…😅😂) Being a brilliant strategist is undoubtedly his greatest feature but also the thing that scares me the most about him: I feel like he’s the kind of guy who essentially “does what’s got/need to be done”, the kind of cold calculating being who wouldn’t hesitate to sell his own mother if it helped him to get even an inch closer to his goal: right now I immediately thought he’d join the war game not in order to show how righteous Loki Familia is, or to help Bell (I feel like he couldn’t care less about him), but just in order to take this opportunity to damage the Freya Familia, his greatest “rivals” So I really couldn’t stand Lili going back to the “dark side”… I just want her to stay as she is right now: the positive, cheerful girl that she became after meeting Bell… Then again, maybe all of this is just in my head and my perception of Finn is completely wrong, so please feel free to give me your thoughts on the matter😉 Basically every Familia/God was ready to fight and punish Freya for what she had done, assuming that Loki would be part of the alliance too, but when they learned that Loki was forbidden to join the vast majority of them were like: “You know guys… MAYYYYBEEE we could forgive Freya just this time…😂😂😂” Can you tell me/ do we have a rough estimate of how many gods we have on our side? P.S. RYUUUUUU!!! MY BELOVED!!! PLEASE COME BACK SOON!!! I DESPERATELY NEED MY “WEEKLY DOSE OF RYU” 😅😂 (For now the 10 seconds we saw before the op were barely enough to allow me to survive until next Thursday)😂😍
@@Knight4869-l9y The choice of guild may seem unreasonable but in reality they have no choice given their objective, they want to eliminate the OEBD And currently even with the fam of Loki and Freya their strength is far from being sufficient. For example Zeus and Hera's fam had a level 9, a level 8 and two level 7s (which had special skills that put them more or less at level 8~9) and they lost Knowing this, their choice is “logical” and then the guild can't really act on powerful groups, we remember the Ishtar case where she couldn't do anything Finn honestly I don't like him either But yes you have defined the character quite well, we remember season 3 where he knew that chasing the xenos was not good but he still did it for his image 🤧 it's really sad to have skipped the conversation between the guild elf, Finn and Hedin it's really interesting, to summarize in exchange for staying out of the Wargame, Loki's fam gets permission to try the 60th floor alone, the guild wanted Loki and Freya's fam to join forces for this (the funny thing is that despite everything, we know well that they are going to need help from freya 😂) Respect to Bete who wanted to confront Freya's fam anyway (Gareth had to fight with him to stop him) I don't remember the exact number of gods in the alliance but it's between 40 and 50 Also, I remember seeing one of your comments which said that Allen was not really the brother of the year, I really wonder how your opinion will evolve (or not 😂) always a pleasure :)
@@Knight4869-l9y Finn proposed to Lily in season 2 cut content. He also has a great respect for Lily after what happened during the Xenos arc (her posing as him to move his men, plus some additional stuff in Sword Oratoria) and what happened between the Juggernaut and Bell's date with Syr (also Sword Oratoria). He does want to make the prum race more respected again, but he also had a change of heart about some things when he watched Bell fight Asterios. He is one of the characters I like the most, especially after reading Sword Oratoria. And while his initial reaction to the Xenos was pragmatic, there is a lot more to it, and several things happened in Sword Oratoria that changed things as well. Lily is in love with Bell. So for now, nothing will happen. But there is a chance down the road, because Lily does really respect Finn. But Finn also has to deal with Tione, who has claimed him for herself, and is extremely possessive. Finn has a great respect for Bell, even moreso after the Xenos incident. He also knows Ais cares about him and doesn't have any major issues with that. He does not want to see anything bad happen to Bell on a personal side. But he also would not want to see Bell in Freya Familia, levelling up like he is, because that would really disrupt the balance of power (imagine Bell hitting level 8 at or even faster than Ottar).
It's not that their cool with Loki not joining in, but they don't want the 2 strongest familias in orario to fight and weaken each other. Remember they still need to be able to fight against the black dragon whenever that thing appears. It's not about dignity, it's about orario's defense. If they fought, it's guaranteed one would be destroyed and the other weakened. Making a nice vacuum of power to anyone who want's to mess up orario.
They could have compromised and let some of Loki Familia participate and not have the two sides so unbalanced. Royman is a corrupt coward and needs to be knocked off his perch. As Finn, said, they have gone up against Freya several times. I don't think it weakened them in the past, since the last major losses for Loki (aside from the ones in SO which were level 4s and below going up against Evilus), happened 7 years ago in the city-wide battle against Evilus when the old guard sacrificed themselves. But Freya didn't suffer major losses at all, and almost all of the executives on both sides leveled up at the time. So it is more like Roymann making excuses. And this is also a War Game, not at all like when Freya and Loki teamed up to chase Zeus and Hera out of Orario. Both sides can show enough restraint not to kill each other. Edited to add: What happens if Freya wins? Bell goes over to Freya, and since no one knows how he is levelling so fast, they would assume that would continue. So in another 3 months time and he is level 7 or possibly 8, the balance of power that exists now would be gone anyway and Freya would be able to do whatever she wanted.
to put it in perspective the Hestia alliance has just Bell and Tsubaki (welfs old captain from Hepheastus familia)) as level 5s while Freya has the 4 prums at high stat level 5, the 2 elves and alan the cat man at high stat level 6 and Ottar at level 7 but with maxed S rank stats across the board (just waiting on a great feat to level up. Any other forces that may be in play like Ryu (level 4 maxed) or the pub girls (???) arn't factored into the predictions yet. It's no wonder the realists like Hemres and Ganaesha don't think they can win.
It isn't mentioned in the anime, but in Sword Oratoria Ais incurred a powerful debt with Freya. When she got in return helped immensely, but Freya called in that token prior to the wargame, forcing Ais to stand down and preventing her from helping Bell train. Meanwhile, that was some seriously dirty pool the Guild played keeping all the other major players out of the wargame. Just the same, with Bell's jump to level 5 there's at least 1 first class adventurer on Hestia's side. I haven't read the LN past this point so I've no clue what follows, but I wouldn't rule out other first-class adventurers joining Hestia's side before it's over. That guy that didn't like Bell then became his fan? He comes from S1. I agree with you btw - Loki would have been the total GOAT in hide-and-seek. I mean, she's THE trickster of the gods, and that game was basically made for tricksters. But this I agree with the author on - Loki was too much and if they'd joined the wargame it would have been considered them versus Freya instead of Hestia versus Freya. It's a messy situation. Still, I would have LOVED watching Freya's familia trying to catch Loki! lol
There's way too many skips in this ep. -Double Role I(Freya's POV as Syr + her Identity crisis) - Horn POV chapter(Horn being called out by Heith that she's watching Bell way too much that it feels like she loves him more than Freya does + Freya's feelings as Syr leaking as she sees the girl crying and resolving herself to tell Bell the truth) -Double Role II(Freya's backstory explaining how she's shackled in the chains of being the yoke of the goddess, how she was introduced in finding Odr, and how she ended up in the field of flowers, breaking down, and crying) -Ryu scene is just 1 line(She's in the middle of travelling with her hair grown longer, she looked back on how she felt to Syr only to finally realize it's still the same selfish, free spirited, mysterious, and mischievous girl she knew, and she was given by Hermes through Asfi that "She" is in a faraway town outside Orario) -Ais scene doesn't even have any lines(Ottar trained her in Sword Oratoria Volume 11. And Freya used it to claim the favor and have her not participate or get in contact with. Bell or else she will stop being a swordsman) -The Royman and Finn conversation, Royman also told Finn that he should be the one to defeat the Black Dragon, a proof that he is blind on what has really happened in the past 6 months. "This is a farce Royman" "It has to be a farce Finn" -Mord was cut from the scene where everyone is apologizing to Bell, They did the biggest Bell fanboy dirty >:( -Monolgue VI chapter is Horn's dream as she sees the memories of Syr. She saw as Syr cries in the field of flowers, she gets smacked up by a certain dwarf girl. That her first meeting with Mia. It even has a scene where Freya told her that she wants to find Odr, and if she does, she might either become a saint of a witch and she requests Mia to not do anything because she knows she will smack her before she does something, in which Mia agreed. -Asfi actually wanting to be part of the alliance but Hermes saying that she specifically is banned -The two gods are actually Magni and Modi, the gods of Luvis and Dormul(the ones they rescued in Season 4) they told Miach and Takemikazuchi that they understand that Freya did something unforgivable but they were indebt to her so they only choose to sitback. Unfortunately, Luvis and Dormul went ahead of themselves -Lily's eesearch on the Freya Familia: “One hundred fifty-seven core followers. Counting the noncombatants and other various adherents, there are more than five thousand…The first-tier adventurers go without saying, but the ranks of second-tier adventurers are massive, too. And the number of healers is unmatched by any of the other Orario familias…” -There are 48 Familias joining Hestia, counting the Hostess of Fertility who's workers are from different Familias. -In the training scene with Tione and Tiona, Haruhime is also there continuously casting Level Boost as training for her and abother layer of training to Bell.
Elf is more than likely Hedin or Hegni (or both). The prum could be representative of the Gulliver Brothers, but possibly Lily. The boar is 100% Ottar (who is a boaz, a demihuman with boar features). And the chariot is Allen, who is always saying he is Freya's chariot.
I’ve got a question for you guys, especially LN/manga readers: do you think the pacing of this episode was appropriate? Do you think that they did a good job animating this “preparation” for the war game? Or do you feel like they sped things up too much? Did they skip something nice/relevant?
I think it's appropriate but of course they did skip stuff as usual. In this episode there was a scene in the bath house with some goddesses. In the novels the scene was extended but it was mostly inconsequential so it was fine that it was cut short. When Bell returned to the manor there were far more people like Aisha, Mord, Daphne and Cassandra, etc and the scene was far more depressing because everyone was super hung up about how they treated Bell. Hell, their reaction when the charm got lifted from the previous episode was downplayed. They also didn't mention that Asfi was also banned from joining because everyone found out that she has a magic item that let's her fly so it's cheating for this kind of contest
cut content Finn tried to made lily his wife Prum is consider to be a weak race So they take pride on those who are courageous and stronge so finn wants to make lili a figure for their race to look up to like their race goddess fianna Since prum race only have 5 strong individual finn lvl 6/7 And the quadruplet in Freya familia
Aiz asked to train with Ottar, so she owed Freya a favor, Freya called in that favor now, that is, she asked Aiz not to approach Bell until the wargame was over!!..
Joe....have you ever watch the ossan newbie adventurer? Anyway,war games just keep activing lately in danmachi....I hope more of it happening in this series to make the familia limited so they can grow at certain points to make more adventurere stronger.....Having lots of familia out there just make things worst..delaying their growth due to competition towards each other.
Competition between familias/adventures doesn't delay their growth. Bell's stats grew tremendously during his 2 or so weeks fighting Freya Familia. One of the biggest level up events in Orario was during an Evilus attack 7 years ago (Ottar to 7, Finn Gareth and Riveria to 7, and a lot of other level ups). War games are the best way to keep fighting out of the city and does offer good experience for the participants.
When you have a character whose adventurer name is literally "Gale Wind" it doesn't need to get more symbolic. Plus Zeus is not in heaven but still with the mortal world.
@joemartin6078 that's one of the reasons Omori mentioned him writing letters to Hermes and asking for updates, to show Zeus is still around and is keeping track of Bell and to show Hermes was so out of it because of the charm he couldn't even write a response to Zeus about Bell (the desk scene in episode 8). I don't think Poseidon has been mentioned once in the anime, but he has in the light novels, and is said to be alive, leading a familia who fights sea monsters (also helped Zeus and Hera beat the Leviathan). We had never seen Hathor until today's episode, but she was right there with the mask, leading the Goddess Alliance. Bell thinks Zeus is dead, but Bell also thinks Zeus is a mortal. The light novels have definitely said otherwise, and even anime onlies should at least think Zeus being around still is highly probably and plausible.
The war will be a blood bath For anybody wondering why loki and Freya familia will not be allowed to fight is becoz orario can't lose both Like what happened to Hera and Zeus familia before Plus loki familia with haruhime boost can beat Freya familia They have so many lvl 6 with lvl boost that will be 7 Ottarl is the only lvl 7 in Freya fam But Allen prolly can handle 1
Ottarl is at the cusp of level 8,and has S level stats in everything but magic, incluiding two at 999 and another at like 991. No level 6 is defeating Ottarl one on one, even with a level boost from Haruhime. And Allen, Hedin, and Hegni are all high level 6 while Bete, Ais, and the twins are low level 6s. It would be a difficult battle for either side. Royman should have compromised. For example, prohibit Finn, Riveria and Gareth from participating, and maybe even Ais, but allow the others. The odds would still be in Freya's favor, but it would show that Hestia's side would have a fighting chance. But Royman is a p r i c k and Riveria swallowed the bribe hook line and sinker. Because as it stands at the start of the War Game, you have Freya with a 7, 3 6s, 4 5s, and a ton of 4s and below, while Hestia has 2 5s, a handful of 4s, and fodder.
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Most underrated anime of this season
True 🔥🔥
More like the most poorly animated light novel of the year, given how good the plot and presentation was in the LN. I mean all the characters are like wall paper. They don’t even move! Does JC really understand what animation is?
@@user-ei8sy1jx1z ???
@user-ei8sy1jx1z are we watching same anime
@@Flewfaraway yeah fr the animation on danmachi is pretty good
4:00About Aiz... we missed the context because Sword Oratory isn't animated... a shame, in sumaries... Aiz went to ask Ottar to train her, in exchange Freya tells her that she will charge an equally unreasonable favor in the future, not to worry, it won't be anything crazy xD
Do you mean this 2017 series?
Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria
Sword Oratoria: Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side
@@GeraldWalls Yeah unfortunately the anime adaptation for Sword Oratoria was so bad that it was discontinued.
@@GeraldWallsthere’s a manga version it’s Aiz’s point of view during the whole story and what her and the Loki familia are doing
@@bradleyedson8596 I would have liked to have seen more. Aiz seems to be emotionless but I know that isn't true.
@@GeraldWalls in the mangas and light novels she probably shows the most expressions (she’s also the author’s favorite so i feel it has to kill him what they do to her each season)
11:20 I think our little Halfling was channeling Tanya the Evil.
12:34 adding the L to Ottar is actually just in the anime and later the mobile games. The official translated novels keep it as Ottar. Not to mention that the Norse myth that hes inspired by is spelled Óttar
Not gonna lie… that speech from Anya was ABSOLUTELY FIRE!!! MY GIRL NAILED IT!!!
I’m not even joking, there she gave me some serious “Oda Nobunaga vibes”
Her speech was on the level of Alexander the Great after Opis revolt
I’m genuinely so happy for Lili, everyone’s eyes were literally glued to her, and I really hope that this also helps her boost her own self-confidence (I feel like given her past she has extremely low self esteem and thinks very little of herself)
I’m happy for her, but also for Hestia and for all the characters that in the last couple of seasons were a bit (necessarily for plot development) put into a corner…
I also hope that Haruhime, Mikoto and Welf (and everyone else) will be able to give a significant contribute in this war game
I obviously meant to write “Lili” instead of Anya… Maybe I did it subconsciously because I was still thinking about her and Allen and what could have been going on between them😅
The reason Aiz could not help them was coz she owed a favour to Freya in the Sword orotorio story which Freya used to stop her. She basically asked for help from freya to train with ottar.
PLus they didn't show Bell's status before Levelling, I think all the stats were S and higher. For reference most people level up with their stats at C or B with one or 2 main stats at A
Bell's stats were all SSS. Lowest was magic between 1200 and 1300. Strength and dexterity were in the 1300s. Agility was in the 1400s. And Endurance was over 1500. By far his highest stats at level up.
Anime cut it but
Ottarl and Freya have a hold on ais and loki
Ais owes a favor to ottarl and they are asking her to pay them by not getting any inclusion with this matter
They are just scared of Loki familia and ais. That's why they don't want them to interfere
@torresreimarcjamesy.5821 uhm if loki and Freya familia fight one or both would crumble
With loki familia with lvl boost Freya familia will lose but with ottarl some of loki familia will be out so
It's a complete lose for orario
@@torresreimarcjamesy.5821 it's explained in the episode for Ais it's Freya's jealousy nothing more, the rest of the Loki fam could join as Hedin says, it's the guild which asks them not to join and the Loki fam which accepts That
@@GenuisSocietyNo83Hertaif Loki familia fought freya 1v1 it’s mutually destroyed destruction
They’d both lose
But if Loki familia were in a unified alliance, the freya familia would be crushed. With Loki familia being by far the strongest unopposed faction in orario
They’d basically be able to do whatever they want and no one could stop them. That’s kinda why the guild stopped them
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 Finn stated specifically that they have gone up against Freya multiple times, yet neither of them have collapsed yet. And this is a War Game in which restraint will be shown. Royman is a corrupt coward who is just making excuses.
On top of that. Bell is levelling at superspeed. If Freya were to get him in her familia, that would also throw the balance of power out the window. Bell would be level 7 or 8 in a matter of months, which would put Freya even further ahead of Loki.
Danmachi game "memoria freese"
th-cam.com/video/1v4Fv7QmaRk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WqoaejAzKnWD1lIY
29:00~38:00
In this video, you can see why Aiz can't help Bell. (Sorry about my english. i can't speak well)
Freya's best outclasses the entire world. :-P More than anything else I think what I've wanted to see this season is the arival of the wind in favor of the Hestia Familia. :)
Wow…
This episode was just the prelude to the war game, but I’m SO HYPED UP!!!😍
Freya going all-in apparently, huh?
Nice to see how the guild is PERFECTLY AND TOTALLY IMPARTIAL, so much so that they basically bribed (under Freya Familia’s pressure) Finn in order to keep Loki’s Familia out of the game…😂
I guess I did a little bit of foreshadowing in the last episode when I said that all the girls of the Hestia Familia (and Eina) would spend the next days kneeling in front of Bell and asking him for forgiveness😂 (tbf it wasn’t that hard to predict it)
I’m intrigued by Finn’s “fascination” or at least attention towards Lili…
Is it just because she’s a prum (or pallum) like him and he instinctively “empathizes” with her? Does he see potential in her? Is there a deeper connection we don’t know about? (Maybe after the war game, Finn will tell her: “Liliruca, the truth is… that I… AM YOUR FATHER!!!”😂)
I guess it could potentially be all three of them, but we’ll have to wait and see…🤔
Also interesting to notice how many captains defy their Gods and join the Hestia Familia in the alliance (an ulterior proof of how popular and loved Bell is)
YES!!! MY BOY IS FINALLY A LVL.5!!!🤩
I appreciated a lot how Tiona and her sister supervised Bell’s training in Ais absence😍
Hogni… How much of a snowflake can you be? He already misses his friend Bell…🥰
(I bet Hodin does too, but he’ll never admit it…)😂
I’m telling you right now: during the war game watch out for Asfi and especially Anya… Feel like our favorite cat girl will find her occasion to shine!!! COME ON ANYA!!! FIGHT!!!
P.S. I wonder what Ryu has been up to during this week…. She surely isn’t the type to just sit and watch without doing anything…
Maybe she could be the key…🤔
Hello
The guild doesn't want to have any losses among Loki and Freya's fam, that's why she doesn't want loki to participate.
Freya doesn't care, she want them to join (as Hedin tells Finn), she just wants Ais to stay away out of jealousy
Finn wants to restore the honor of his people, which is why he pays attention to Lili.
Maybe he wants a “deeper” connection with her 😭 ( no joke )
For now there seem to be several groups in the alliance, those who fight for Bell, those who fight because they dont forgive, and those who want Freya's downfall ( Loki fam would have happily participated but fight against stronger opponents ...it takes courage)
Ryu …👀
@O.O-m3j4b
Hello there, nice to see you again after last week!🤗
Thank you as always for your reply:
It’s understandable that the guild tries to do what’s best for Orario (in this case trying to avoid that the two most powerful Familias annihilate each other in a “senseless” war game) but it still makes me doubt about their “integrity”: if they decided it was necessary for the sake of Orario, I feel like they would happily wipe out lesser Familias…
You know, like: “For the greater good…” and that kind of stuff…😒
Oh, no… For the love of God, please no…
If from now on the relationship between Finn and Lili transforms into a “teacher/student” like one, I’m all for it: under his teachings I believe that Lili could become truly a brilliant strategist (feel like she’s a “diamond in the rough”, she has the potential to maybe reach is level, as a strategist, but she still has to refine her skills as a leader… Nevertheless I really think she’s got a natural talent for it) and by doing so she could really help Bell in the future in the dungeon exploration, not just as a simple supporter, but as a true guide, who’s always able to offer him the best advice on how to proceed…
So that would be cool, and I’m okay with that…
BUT PLEASE NOTHING MORE THAN THAT… I really wouldn’t like seeing them in a “deeper” relationship (but maybe that’s just me)
Because since the beginning I’ve quite disliked/not really liked Finn:
don’t get me wrong I do think that he’s super clever and possibly the greatest tactician in all of Orario, but I don’t really like him as a human being (oh well… he’s a prum, but you get what I mean…😅😂)
Being a brilliant strategist is undoubtedly his greatest feature but also the thing that scares me the most about him: I feel like he’s the kind of guy who essentially “does what’s got/need to be done”, the kind of cold calculating being who wouldn’t hesitate to sell his own mother if it helped him to get even an inch closer to his goal: right now I immediately thought he’d join the war game not in order to show how righteous Loki Familia is, or to help Bell (I feel like he couldn’t care less about him), but just in order to take this opportunity to damage the Freya Familia, his greatest “rivals”
So I really couldn’t stand Lili going back to the “dark side”… I just want her to stay as she is right now: the positive, cheerful girl that she became after meeting Bell…
Then again, maybe all of this is just in my head and my perception of Finn is completely wrong, so please feel free to give me your thoughts on the matter😉
Basically every Familia/God was ready to fight and punish Freya for what she had done, assuming that Loki would be part of the alliance too, but when they learned that Loki was forbidden to join the vast majority of them were like: “You know guys… MAYYYYBEEE we could forgive Freya just this time…😂😂😂”
Can you tell me/ do we have a rough estimate of how many gods we have on our side?
P.S. RYUUUUUU!!! MY BELOVED!!! PLEASE COME BACK SOON!!! I DESPERATELY NEED MY “WEEKLY DOSE OF RYU” 😅😂
(For now the 10 seconds we saw before the op were barely enough to allow me to survive until next Thursday)😂😍
@@Knight4869-l9y
The choice of guild may seem unreasonable but in reality they have no choice given their objective, they want to eliminate the OEBD
And currently even with the fam of Loki and Freya their strength is far from being sufficient.
For example Zeus and Hera's fam had a level 9, a level 8 and two level 7s (which had special skills that put them more or less at level 8~9) and they lost
Knowing this, their choice is “logical”
and then the guild can't really act on powerful groups, we remember the Ishtar case where she couldn't do anything
Finn honestly I don't like him either
But yes you have defined the character quite well, we remember season 3 where he knew that chasing the xenos was not good but he still did it for his image 🤧
it's really sad to have skipped the conversation between the guild elf, Finn and Hedin it's really interesting, to summarize in exchange for staying out of the Wargame, Loki's fam gets permission to try the 60th floor alone, the guild wanted Loki and Freya's fam to join forces for this (the funny thing is that despite everything, we know well that they are going to need help from freya 😂)
Respect to Bete who wanted to confront Freya's fam anyway (Gareth had to fight with him to stop him)
I don't remember the exact number of gods in the alliance but it's between 40 and 50
Also, I remember seeing one of your comments which said that Allen was not really the brother of the year, I really wonder how your opinion will evolve (or not 😂)
always a pleasure :)
@@Knight4869-l9y Finn proposed to Lily in season 2 cut content. He also has a great respect for Lily after what happened during the Xenos arc (her posing as him to move his men, plus some additional stuff in Sword Oratoria) and what happened between the Juggernaut and Bell's date with Syr (also Sword Oratoria).
He does want to make the prum race more respected again, but he also had a change of heart about some things when he watched Bell fight Asterios. He is one of the characters I like the most, especially after reading Sword Oratoria. And while his initial reaction to the Xenos was pragmatic, there is a lot more to it, and several things happened in Sword Oratoria that changed things as well.
Lily is in love with Bell. So for now, nothing will happen. But there is a chance down the road, because Lily does really respect Finn. But Finn also has to deal with Tione, who has claimed him for herself, and is extremely possessive.
Finn has a great respect for Bell, even moreso after the Xenos incident. He also knows Ais cares about him and doesn't have any major issues with that. He does not want to see anything bad happen to Bell on a personal side. But he also would not want to see Bell in Freya Familia, levelling up like he is, because that would really disrupt the balance of power (imagine Bell hitting level 8 at or even faster than Ottar).
It's not that their cool with Loki not joining in, but they don't want the 2 strongest familias in orario to fight and weaken each other. Remember they still need to be able to fight against the black dragon whenever that thing appears.
It's not about dignity, it's about orario's defense. If they fought, it's guaranteed one would be destroyed and the other weakened. Making a nice vacuum of power to anyone who want's to mess up orario.
They could have compromised and let some of Loki Familia participate and not have the two sides so unbalanced. Royman is a corrupt coward and needs to be knocked off his perch.
As Finn, said, they have gone up against Freya several times. I don't think it weakened them in the past, since the last major losses for Loki (aside from the ones in SO which were level 4s and below going up against Evilus), happened 7 years ago in the city-wide battle against Evilus when the old guard sacrificed themselves. But Freya didn't suffer major losses at all, and almost all of the executives on both sides leveled up at the time. So it is more like Roymann making excuses.
And this is also a War Game, not at all like when Freya and Loki teamed up to chase Zeus and Hera out of Orario. Both sides can show enough restraint not to kill each other.
Edited to add: What happens if Freya wins? Bell goes over to Freya, and since no one knows how he is levelling so fast, they would assume that would continue. So in another 3 months time and he is level 7 or possibly 8, the balance of power that exists now would be gone anyway and Freya would be able to do whatever she wanted.
to put it in perspective the Hestia alliance has just Bell and Tsubaki (welfs old captain from Hepheastus familia)) as level 5s while Freya has the 4 prums at high stat level 5, the 2 elves and alan the cat man at high stat level 6 and Ottar at level 7 but with maxed S rank stats across the board (just waiting on a great feat to level up. Any other forces that may be in play like Ryu (level 4 maxed) or the pub girls (???) arn't factored into the predictions yet. It's no wonder the realists like Hemres and Ganaesha don't think they can win.
It isn't mentioned in the anime, but in Sword Oratoria Ais incurred a powerful debt with Freya. When she got in return helped immensely, but Freya called in that token prior to the wargame, forcing Ais to stand down and preventing her from helping Bell train.
Meanwhile, that was some seriously dirty pool the Guild played keeping all the other major players out of the wargame. Just the same, with Bell's jump to level 5 there's at least 1 first class adventurer on Hestia's side. I haven't read the LN past this point so I've no clue what follows, but I wouldn't rule out other first-class adventurers joining Hestia's side before it's over.
That guy that didn't like Bell then became his fan? He comes from S1.
I agree with you btw - Loki would have been the total GOAT in hide-and-seek. I mean, she's THE trickster of the gods, and that game was basically made for tricksters. But this I agree with the author on - Loki was too much and if they'd joined the wargame it would have been considered them versus Freya instead of Hestia versus Freya. It's a messy situation. Still, I would have LOVED watching Freya's familia trying to catch Loki! lol
There's way too many skips in this ep.
-Double Role I(Freya's POV as Syr + her Identity crisis)
- Horn POV chapter(Horn being called out by Heith that she's watching Bell way too much that it feels like she loves him more than Freya does + Freya's feelings as Syr leaking as she sees the girl crying and resolving herself to tell Bell the truth)
-Double Role II(Freya's backstory explaining how she's shackled in the chains of being the yoke of the goddess, how she was introduced in finding Odr, and how she ended up in the field of flowers, breaking down, and crying)
-Ryu scene is just 1 line(She's in the middle of travelling with her hair grown longer, she looked back on how she felt to Syr only to finally realize it's still the same selfish, free spirited, mysterious, and mischievous girl she knew, and she was given by Hermes through Asfi that "She" is in a faraway town outside Orario)
-Ais scene doesn't even have any lines(Ottar trained her in Sword Oratoria Volume 11. And Freya used it to claim the favor and have her not participate or get in contact with. Bell or else she will stop being a swordsman)
-The Royman and Finn conversation, Royman also told Finn that he should be the one to defeat the Black Dragon, a proof that he is blind on what has really happened in the past 6 months.
"This is a farce Royman"
"It has to be a farce Finn"
-Mord was cut from the scene where everyone is apologizing to Bell, They did the biggest Bell fanboy dirty >:(
-Monolgue VI chapter is Horn's dream as she sees the memories of Syr. She saw as Syr cries in the field of flowers, she gets smacked up by a certain dwarf girl. That her first meeting with Mia.
It even has a scene where Freya told her that she wants to find Odr, and if she does, she might either become a saint of a witch and she requests Mia to not do anything because she knows she will smack her before she does something, in which Mia agreed.
-Asfi actually wanting to be part of the alliance but Hermes saying that she specifically is banned
-The two gods are actually Magni and Modi, the gods of Luvis and Dormul(the ones they rescued in Season 4) they told Miach and Takemikazuchi that they understand that Freya did something unforgivable but they were indebt to her so they only choose to sitback. Unfortunately, Luvis and Dormul went ahead of themselves
-Lily's eesearch on the Freya Familia:
“One hundred fifty-seven core followers. Counting the noncombatants and other various adherents, there are more than five thousand…The first-tier adventurers go without saying, but the ranks of second-tier adventurers are massive, too. And the number of healers is unmatched by any of the other Orario familias…”
-There are 48 Familias joining Hestia, counting the Hostess of Fertility who's workers are from different Familias.
-In the training scene with Tione and Tiona, Haruhime is also there continuously casting Level Boost as training for her and abother layer of training to Bell.
11:57 i know elf might be ryu but i wonder about the prum, boar, and charriott
Elf is more than likely Hedin or Hegni (or both). The prum could be representative of the Gulliver Brothers, but possibly Lily. The boar is 100% Ottar (who is a boaz, a demihuman with boar features). And the chariot is Allen, who is always saying he is Freya's chariot.
"But then the wind will blow..."
I’ve got a question for you guys, especially LN/manga readers: do you think the pacing of this episode was appropriate?
Do you think that they did a good job animating this “preparation” for the war game? Or do you feel like they sped things up too much? Did they skip something nice/relevant?
I think it's appropriate but of course they did skip stuff as usual. In this episode there was a scene in the bath house with some goddesses. In the novels the scene was extended but it was mostly inconsequential so it was fine that it was cut short. When Bell returned to the manor there were far more people like Aisha, Mord, Daphne and Cassandra, etc and the scene was far more depressing because everyone was super hung up about how they treated Bell. Hell, their reaction when the charm got lifted from the previous episode was downplayed.
They also didn't mention that Asfi was also banned from joining because everyone found out that she has a magic item that let's her fly so it's cheating for this kind of contest
see @miteigi8334's post above about cut content.
cut content
Finn tried to made lily his wife
Prum is consider to be a weak race
So they take pride on those who are courageous and stronge so finn wants to make lili a figure for their race to look up to like their race goddess fianna
Since prum race only have 5 strong individual finn lvl 6/7
And the quadruplet in Freya familia
Season 2 cut content actually
Day 194 of Requesting Joe to Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion
Aiz asked to train with Ottar, so she owed Freya a favor, Freya called in that favor now, that is, she asked Aiz not to approach Bell until the wargame was over!!..
Volume 18 baby lets go!
Ais owed Freya a favor from the spin off. Ottar helped her train between seasons 4 and 5 and now she is asking her not to get in the way
It was early season 4, after the Xenos escaped but while Bell was on his expedition
Joe....have you ever watch the ossan newbie adventurer?
Anyway,war games just keep activing lately in danmachi....I hope more of it happening in this series to make the familia limited so they can grow at certain points to make more adventurere stronger.....Having lots of familia out there just make things worst..delaying their growth due to competition towards each other.
Competition between familias/adventures doesn't delay their growth. Bell's stats grew tremendously during his 2 or so weeks fighting Freya Familia. One of the biggest level up events in Orario was during an Evilus attack 7 years ago (Ottar to 7, Finn Gareth and Riveria to 7, and a lot of other level ups). War games are the best way to keep fighting out of the city and does offer good experience for the participants.
this is so hype icl
The reason freya familia loses is hedin does it on purpose
😭 The hype is real need to wait next week
The wind is ryu
so i wonder, because Zeus is connected to Fair winds. what if this is a sign that Zeus is the gods above are on Bell's side and pushing him to glory?
When you have a character whose adventurer name is literally "Gale Wind" it doesn't need to get more symbolic. Plus Zeus is not in heaven but still with the mortal world.
@@madcat1738 is he? we haven't seen him in a long time.
@joemartin6078 that's one of the reasons Omori mentioned him writing letters to Hermes and asking for updates, to show Zeus is still around and is keeping track of Bell and to show Hermes was so out of it because of the charm he couldn't even write a response to Zeus about Bell (the desk scene in episode 8).
I don't think Poseidon has been mentioned once in the anime, but he has in the light novels, and is said to be alive, leading a familia who fights sea monsters (also helped Zeus and Hera beat the Leviathan).
We had never seen Hathor until today's episode, but she was right there with the mask, leading the Goddess Alliance.
Bell thinks Zeus is dead, but Bell also thinks Zeus is a mortal. The light novels have definitely said otherwise, and even anime onlies should at least think Zeus being around still is highly probably and plausible.
Hope the animated sword oratoria 'cause only anime watchers don't know what is happening
I'd be surprised if they continued SO now after the first season was done so poorly.
The war will be a blood bath
For anybody wondering why loki and Freya familia will not be allowed to fight is becoz orario can't lose both
Like what happened to Hera and Zeus familia before
Plus loki familia with haruhime boost can beat Freya familia
They have so many lvl 6 with lvl boost that will be 7
Ottarl is the only lvl 7 in Freya fam
But Allen prolly can handle 1
Ottarl is at the cusp of level 8,and has S level stats in everything but magic, incluiding two at 999 and another at like 991. No level 6 is defeating Ottarl one on one, even with a level boost from Haruhime. And Allen, Hedin, and Hegni are all high level 6 while Bete, Ais, and the twins are low level 6s. It would be a difficult battle for either side.
Royman should have compromised. For example, prohibit Finn, Riveria and Gareth from participating, and maybe even Ais, but allow the others. The odds would still be in Freya's favor, but it would show that Hestia's side would have a fighting chance. But Royman is a p r i c k and Riveria swallowed the bribe hook line and sinker.
Because as it stands at the start of the War Game, you have Freya with a 7, 3 6s, 4 5s, and a ton of 4s and below, while Hestia has 2 5s, a handful of 4s, and fodder.