Remember the times when good (desktop) motherboards could be had for 200 bucks... nowadays you're not even getting a Q-code LED anymore for that money.
@@Blacklands A yeah, my Ivy Bridge Mainbaord had 7 Segment displays, V-Points for measuring voltages, really good VRMs and all that stuff. And my Socket 2011 board had 7 Segment displays, a LSI Raid controller, and all that stuff. The former was 200 bucks, the later 600. When i look at Mainbaords now... yeah i pay 600 bucks for a desktop Mainboard with similar features... and Workstation baords with similar features are also way above 1000.
Man the struggle with XMP is real. I just got a new MB and RAM, the exact RAM is listed on the manufactures QVL and it still took loads of messing around to get it running right.
I haven't had a single PC build where xmp or expo actually worked. Only one would boot and it would bsod constantly. I had to manually key in slightly friendlier timings. My first build was an athlon xp so I've been doing it a while ...
When I was building my X670E desktop, my X670E ProArt WiFi was DOA... Luckily Microcenter was very good to me and had another one in stock that is working fine.
I just bought an Asus motherboard for the first time, it was advertised as an industrial board but it has all the overclock goodness in the bios. It's been running a 5900x all week without issue.
I went to 2 Asus booths at ces and bugged them about the mb. They said they would look into it and I told them I had a pre-order through band h. Then thr week after mine shows up from band h. So I want to think I had a hand in it but probably didn't. It truly is an awesome motherboard though. My favorite since I started building computers pretty much once a year since 1997.
I finally got a Milan build with the RomeD8-2T put together and Wendell just came down over the top and dunked on me with this absolutely monster. 128GB DIMMS? Bruh I've got 256GB memory total and I thought I was doing well.
I bought an Asrock Rack EP2C612 motherboard cheap, looked good when i got it(6 month ago). Needed it last week and guess what i noticed.. There were no Thermal Pads between the VRM/MOSFETS to the heatsinks, just an empty space. Its fine on idle! Load the 2x CPUs and it crashes HARD like LOCKUP. Thinking that is why i got it for so cheap, it was a manufacuring problem.. Ordered some Pads and I report more later EDIT: I bought it used, not new. The equivalent to Ebay but here in EU
Had a ASUS X99 server board that would crash under load or when gpus were inserted in slots 4-7. Turned out it was missing thermal pads on the VRM's and one of the PLX chips. Manufacturing error. Bought $20 of FujiPoly thermal pads to fix it. Rock solid afterwards and still running.
My dream motherboard... already have the case for it. Not thrilled by these early "challenges" but there you go, the price you pay to be an early adopter :) Hope you follow up after a few weeks/months to let us know how things have improved. Maybe your memory is working by then ;)
Thanks for the video! I just ordered my WRX90E SAGE today for my new machine learning tower build (dual RTX 4090 with AMD 7960x) . What is the "GPU with M.2 storage" option you mention @10:45? Does the GPU use this M.2 storage as kind of a fast swap for VRAM, or is it just another place to mount an extra M.2 SSD?
I think what he is saying is 8 lanes for gpu and 4 lanes per m.2 storage. 8 + 4 + 4 = 16 lanes. I've never seen a gpu with an m2 connection but it's probably for some type of daisy chain connection idk.
Yes, it definitely sucks. It'd suck enough to even go with Intel instead, except they don't have any competitors at all. Which is probably the only reason the stupid people at AMD were able to prevail and prevent Zen 3 on TRX40.
Nice video! I just ordered a Trx50 Sage board for a TR 7970 . Plus a Corsair hxi 1000 PSU. I plan to use a rtx4080. Thast basically my system. Would you say the PSU is enough? Or should I buy a bigger one? Did you see the reddit threads where people complain about Bluetooth drivers not working for these boards? On Reddit - many complain about the ASUS support - they just ghost you.
All I want to know is does it support S.L.I like the old WRX80 did? I need Zen 4 clock speeds speed but with S.L.I support. This for my RTX 2080 ti's/ (maybe upgrading to RTX 3090/ti's) are being bottlenecked by my slow cpu speed of my Ryzen 7 5800x 3D. I also I need the x16 slots too.
You're talking about NVLink not SLI on 2080ti's. NVLink is completely over the bridge except on very specific, Nvidia made systems. You can actually monitor PCIE traffic and see there is no significant uptick in traffic during a render, or other CUDA task, when using the NVLink.
@@KenS1267 No actual WRX80 all have both S.L.I & NvLink support listed in the instruction manuals. Beside I was reading some forums about bunch of indie developers who bought two RTX 4090 when the released. They could not get NVlink to work at all on some CUDA applications that were supposed to use two to four cards.
@@kevinerbs2778 LOL There's no quad NVLink for 4090's. The last quad bridges were for the 2000 series, or maybe it was SLI on the 1000's. There are 4 slot wide bridges because you need bridges that wide to connect the card but they only connect two cards. I have 2x 4090 running NVLink just fine on server boards without any sort of SLI cert right now. CUDA applications flat don't care how many cards you have. That's the whole point of NVLink. They turn more than one card into a single logical CUDA device. You can get the NVidia systems with NVLink through the motherboard and all the A100's and that whole thing looks to CUDA like one GPU despite there being 16 or something.
Interesting, I workin IT for a university, and I have gotten a system with one of these boards that died about a day after it arrived. it just stopped supplying power to the socket after a restart a day after I got the system.
I’m really hopeful for the 8 rank memory channel. This might be a dumb question but is the memory bus width dependant on the APU? Let’s say for instance that AMD made a socketable APU for the threadripper motherboard. Can it have a 256 bit bus? I’m wondering if it’s possible to run a high memory bandwidth APU using a threadripper motherboard. This is needed for AI. Apple’s m ultra series for instance offers 800GB/s. It’s going to be very expensive but I would gladly invest in this if it means I can have an upgradable APU for AI purposes. Especially if it can have over 196gb of ddr5 memory with 8 rank channel. I wouldn’t purchase this right away. I’ll need confirmation from amd that such an APU is coming with high memory bandwidth.
8 channel of 5600MT/s DDR5 RDIMM will offer around 360 GB/s. What's why you want to stack industrial GPU's with HMB memory for AI. Also don't believe Apple marketing, 800GB/s is for GPU not for CPU part of SoC.
@@falsevacuum1988 but that’s exactly why ai enthusiasts buy Apple’s m ultra series. Deep learning is done mostly in its gpu plus neural engine. Can we get increased memory bandwidth if amd offers an ai APU for their threadripper systems? Is the memory bus width determined by the APU in this instance?
@@theworddoner Amd did MI300X and MI300A for AI. And yes, memory bandwidth determined by the APU, on x86 CPU its sucks and this phenomena called "Memory Wall", and Threadripper 7000 doesn't have neuronal engine nor integrated GPU.
@@falsevacuum1988 Sorry if this question seems dumb. But could they not make an AI APU for the threadripper system? On the consumer side AMD is rumoured to make strix halo which is an APU said to have 256 bit bus width. It should have decent memory bandwidth when paired with quad channels. Is it not possible to make a stronger version of that chip for the threadripper system?
This has answed some questions for me, the missing DIMM channel this is something ive experienced my self with a Dual AMD Epyc motherboard only seeing 15 out of 16 slots giving me 120GB stead of 128GB, and also what the micro sdcard is for, the remote management doesnt work for me anyways cause im networking the 4 pc's all on windows 11, it is annoying not having rebar baked into the Supermicro H11dsi-nt Motherboard despite having 4G Decoding option in Bios so it was great to see that option available here, it also has a PCI-E Gen 3 limitatiom, still when i have the money im either goner get the Gigabyte Dual SP3 board or a bigger upgrade to Dual SP5.
The thought of per core PBO tuning a 96 core CPU made me cry a little. I don't know if the bios has better automation than Ryzen master but the AI tuning options tend to be unstable when switching between full and idle and cause crashes when you aren't doing much of anything with your machine. OCCT has a mode to help find the issue but when you get near stable it can easily run for an hour before causing a core to show faults. You'd be tuning that thing for months.
Memory training is finding the physical sweet spot between memory, memory socket, CPU socket and CPU. The chips, brand, packaging, etc have a lot of variation. It's like a rehearsal and finding what electrical settings work for stable communication among all the components.
@@Level1Techs so the CPU running though a bunch of values to get as clean of a signal between itself and the memory then. How many parameters is it running through?
@@konic40 what it's trying to do is train the sub timings of the memory modules to sync the modules with the memory controller. memory manufactures primarily focus on the main timings e.g. the ones you see in marketing while leaving the sub timings loose for compatibility across multiple memory controllers since no memory controller is the same between even identical cpu's. it'll change the timing, run a test across all available memory and will continue to do that until it fails, reboot and slightly adjust the timing and retest until it fails. it'll make 3 attempts and automatically go back to the known good timing and reboot for the final time. there is an option to save those settings and bypass the retraining on post but asus leaves it off by default because they're too aggressive with their sub timings. even with the option set though if the system for some reason fails to post due to memory it'll attempt to retrain the memory again.
Do you know if the latest BIOS for the WRX90E Sage Mobo if they allow Bifurcation in 8x8x mode? My Asrock wrx80 motherboard supports all 7 slots bifurcating to 8x8x mode which is perfect because I have retimers allowing me to connect 14 gpus to the one board. I want to upgrade from the Threadripper 5000 series to the 7000 series and this board looks perfect. There isn't clear answers online, it'd be helpful if someone who has the motherboard could see?
A question for those who have the WRX90. Do you see memory throttling due to high temperatures on the dimms? Everything from 64GB capacity up gets really toasty without active dimm cooling.
My concern is longevity. Tjmax in the memory chip should be around 95°c. Measuring with hwinfo or bmc shows us the pcb temp, not chip. I also find it disappointing when a workstation throttles.
@@Level1Techs do you think mounting fans on the ram is sufficient? Also can you share which 64GB dimms you've been able to post on the asus wrx90? I need to build with 8x64GB and am starting to worry
I've often wondered why board manufacturers release their system boards with so many unresolved bugs. All too often these bugs are very basic, upfront, easy to detect, but nonetheless the boards are released. It would seem the reason for this is so the customer can do all the testing for the manufacturer. And why not? Why pay someone to test your product when you can get someone to pay you to test your product instead? (Just a thought.)
@@iaial0 Yeah, personally I got one DOA Seasonic PSU (actually blowing the circuit but nothing else, not even another component!) and one that gave up the ghost after a few years. The other... maybe 10 I bought / advised on are a-OK. Even a 10+yo passive 400W gold, first series one. It's powering what I'm writing these lines on, 24/7 for most of the duration too.
I'm a little confused and some casual googling isn't helping. Is that 200W of power consumption across 8x128GB DDR5 DIMMs? Or is it up to 200W per DIMM (which admittedly seems insane)?
For us storage fiends, the biggest reason to avoid this board is because ASUS opted to bottleneck the 8 lanes leading to the SlimSAS ports by putting them behind the x4 link between the chipset and the CPU. You can work around this by using a pcie carrier, but the AsRock WRX90 will give you better performance on U.2/U.3 storage using onboard SlimSAS.
I have their WRX80 SAGE board v1.0 and if I get stuck on Post Code 93, I have to re-install the BIOS as it seems to get corrupted somehow. Even using the clear CMOS button doesn't work as it doesn't seem to actually reset the CMOS and it still gets stuck on code 93. I could remove EVERYTHING from the board including the GPUs and it doesn't help until I re-install the BIOS. I've never had a board where clearing the CMOS doesn't work. So I got my board RMA'd and the replacement board has the same issue with code 93. I don't understand why the clear CMOS button isn't working and I have to re-install the BIOS for it to actually clear the CMOS. If anyone has any ideas why I can't clear the CMOS when I get code 93. please let me know.
I have been looking at the workstation motherboards because I wanted a more serious feature rich platform because "gaming" motherboards are plagued with striped down pcie lanes and useless gimmicks and junk BIOS. This is out of my price point but I am it looks like a great board with full pcie lanes and no wifi/led gimmicks. I like to buy expansion cards that do a better job then onboard and for those vm experiments.
I just built a new pc with a motherboard Asus Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE and CPU Threadripper 7980x but unfortunately, when I boot from a USB flash drive to install Windows, it stuck on the Asus logo and sometimes NVME M.2 storage does not show in bios, can anyone help,Will highly appreciate.
Hm. That doesn't sound all that peachy. I'm seriously dying to put my CPU Into a board already and I see this board in stock, but I think it might be wise to wait for the ASRock board instead... their memory QVL list looks a lot more mature so hopefully they have done a bit more stability testing than Asus did..
I just came home from grocery shopping and I found a garlicky hot pepper sauce because I too like it spicy! The sauce better burn my face, or I will just have to call it a plain garlic sauce, not a hot one.
I will never buy another Asus WS SAGE board, nor would I recommend one. I had the X299 SAGE/WS for an i9 7900. None of the fan, AIO, or pump headers worked. They would power things attached, but never reported RPMs and never allowed PWM control. I had to use a separate third party controller over USB to make my fans and pump do anything other than minimal RPMs. The board was also incredibly unstable. I went through three different sets of RAM, all from the ASUS page confirming compatibility. Constant crashes.
Unfortunate. I have not had any problem running an oc’d i9-10980xe, 64 GB ddr4 Corsair Vengeance Pro, with an RTX a4500 and a Hyper m.2 v2 add in bifurcation card with 4 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus nvme ssd’s. Also 2 970 EVO’s on the motherboard for OS and Scratch Disk. No AIO, but instead use a Noctua NH-D15S for cpu cooler. System running flawless, no blue screen or freezes, going on 4 years now. Was thinking of upgrading to an Asus W790 Sage soon;, once all the bugs have been worked out, perhaps next year.
yeah, not worth the hassle, Asus seems to be way too consumer/desktop focused with all the issues you're describing. I'll wait for a real workstation/server board manufacturer like Supermicro or Tyan. Or better wait until they get rid of the stupid DDR5 crap and go to DDR6 that solves a lot of the issues with ddr5.
You can have 12 8 core systems with a dedicated graphics card without too much hassle. Just have to get a little creative with the pcie slots. Not much though.
Isn’t it great to have the same uncertainty in your stomach when trying to use a motherboard for over USD 1,000 as you get when eating mystery meat at a tropical tourist trap’s street vendor?
It was hiding his street address on the shipping label. The Newegg label was clearly visible in a later blur shot. The first one was evidently made larger to avoid redoing the blur to handle box movements.
How's bifurcation on this board. Which PCIe v5.0 riser cables work on that board? Can you put at least 6 GPUs in your new Lego case that are 4 slots high? You do know why it's going to be a Lego case. ^^ It's definately a way to get a grown man to play with Legos. 😄 Too bad most of us won't be able to afford the board let alone the best CPU for that board or the full array of 128GiB RAM modules :(
Yea, that kinda s***t is why the new machine I'm buying parts for this/next week will be based on AsRock board, as they're the only manufacturer who've not become highly anti-consumer, with their heads shoved way up the butt of "shareholders". TLDR - FU Asus!
Well, Asus reps and customer service/support Ignoring people is truly nothing new or rare. I really love to pay their Premium Price for their Service to then not get any service or Support at all.
This is bios 4.04 your bios will be better! Sorry brother, your motherboard is my whole build budget, not even mentioning the price of your proc and ram
17 pounds is cheap for a motherboard! Think I paid about £200 for my last one.
Remember the times when good (desktop) motherboards could be had for 200 bucks... nowadays you're not even getting a Q-code LED anymore for that money.
@@Blacklands A yeah, my Ivy Bridge Mainbaord had 7 Segment displays, V-Points for measuring voltages, really good VRMs and all that stuff. And my Socket 2011 board had 7 Segment displays, a LSI Raid controller, and all that stuff.
The former was 200 bucks, the later 600.
When i look at Mainbaords now... yeah i pay 600 bucks for a desktop Mainboard with similar features... and Workstation baords with similar features are also way above 1000.
96 cores , 1tb of ram....
Ludicrous speed Colonel Sanders. Thank you so much for showing us.
$10K for the CPU.
Wow, I joined Leve1Techs forum yesterday and already saw my forum post in a video :D
They do that for all new forum members, only one time, but you will keep posting...and hoping
😂😂😂
Wendell's the BOSS. Helped me debug why 1/2 the memory in my 64 core system wasn't working. Haven't been on the forum in a long time. My bad.
@@vincei4252 that sounds like an interesting story. Always cool when people help each other, especially people that have such busy schedules.
Man the struggle with XMP is real. I just got a new MB and RAM, the exact RAM is listed on the manufactures QVL and it still took loads of messing around to get it running right.
What xmp what board and what cpu
I haven't had a single PC build where xmp or expo actually worked.
Only one would boot and it would bsod constantly. I had to manually key in slightly friendlier timings.
My first build was an athlon xp so I've been doing it a while ...
When I was building my X670E desktop, my X670E ProArt WiFi was DOA... Luckily Microcenter was very good to me and had another one in stock that is working fine.
This has been our choice for our 5 new Workstations. Great product. Nice review.
What apps do you run on these workstations?
I just bought an Asus motherboard for the first time, it was advertised as an industrial board but it has all the overclock goodness in the bios. It's been running a 5900x all week without issue.
Great review Wendell; thank you.
Where are you going to put a motherboard that big, Griswold?
Bend over and I'll show ya!
jk, jk 😂 somebody had to say it
New coffee table confirmed 👍
I went to 2 Asus booths at ces and bugged them about the mb. They said they would look into it and I told them I had a pre-order through band h. Then thr week after mine shows up from band h. So I want to think I had a hand in it but probably didn't. It truly is an awesome motherboard though. My favorite since I started building computers pretty much once a year since 1997.
What memory kit are you using and is your system stable?
I am using thr kingston KF560R32RBK8-256 100% stable at 6000.
I finally got a Milan build with the RomeD8-2T put together and Wendell just came down over the top and dunked on me with this absolutely monster. 128GB DIMMS? Bruh I've got 256GB memory total and I thought I was doing well.
I bought an Asrock Rack EP2C612 motherboard cheap, looked good when i got it(6 month ago).
Needed it last week and guess what i noticed.. There were no Thermal Pads between the VRM/MOSFETS to the heatsinks, just an empty space.
Its fine on idle! Load the 2x CPUs and it crashes HARD like LOCKUP.
Thinking that is why i got it for so cheap, it was a manufacuring problem..
Ordered some Pads and I report more later
EDIT: I bought it used, not new. The equivalent to Ebay but here in EU
Had a ASUS X99 server board that would crash under load or when gpus were inserted in slots 4-7. Turned out it was missing thermal pads on the VRM's and one of the PLX chips. Manufacturing error. Bought $20 of FujiPoly thermal pads to fix it. Rock solid afterwards and still running.
I like ASUS motherboard and Falcon systems! I got one from 2018 still work great!
thanks wendell for you awesome forum and your awesome videos!
Thanks, Wendell! Do you plan to revisit this board once the BIOS is ironed out? Perhaps for a monster build? :3c
My dream motherboard... already have the case for it. Not thrilled by these early "challenges" but there you go, the price you pay to be an early adopter :) Hope you follow up after a few weeks/months to let us know how things have improved. Maybe your memory is working by then ;)
The whole ... tech battle to make work... is a contrast to a platform called ... 'pro'..
"Pro" from Asus, not exactly the same as Pro from Dell/Lenovo/HP with a support contract
That right angle VGA connector is clever. Never seen one before.
Thanks For The Great Video... Thanks Level 1 Techs Channel 😊😊😊
This is the why i love this channel..
Thanks for the video! I just ordered my WRX90E SAGE today for my new machine learning tower build (dual RTX 4090 with AMD 7960x) . What is the "GPU with M.2 storage" option you mention @10:45? Does the GPU use this M.2 storage as kind of a fast swap for VRAM, or is it just another place to mount an extra M.2 SSD?
I think what he is saying is 8 lanes for gpu and 4 lanes per m.2 storage. 8 + 4 + 4 = 16 lanes. I've never seen a gpu with an m2 connection but it's probably for some type of daisy chain connection idk.
That comsol screen shot made it look like NPS=3 was set. I had thought only 1, 2 and 4 were options?
Good eye! I love you! This board can do nps3 but idk how to trigger it consistently!!! MADDENING
instant buy if I could afford. Insane compute right there
plebian here frothing over the new tech. I 'invested' in threadripper 3000 and its upgrade potential..... the sting still hurts.
Yes, it definitely sucks. It'd suck enough to even go with Intel instead, except they don't have any competitors at all. Which is probably the only reason the stupid people at AMD were able to prevail and prevent Zen 3 on TRX40.
Can't wait to buy this for 170$ in Aliexpress after 10 years.
You mean 170 satoshi's at ai express.
Nice video! I just ordered a Trx50 Sage board for a TR 7970 . Plus a Corsair hxi 1000 PSU. I plan to use a rtx4080. Thast basically my system. Would you say the PSU is enough? Or should I buy a bigger one?
Did you see the reddit threads where people complain about Bluetooth drivers not working for these boards?
On Reddit - many complain about the ASUS support - they just ghost you.
All I want to know is does it support S.L.I like the old WRX80 did?
I need Zen 4 clock speeds speed but with S.L.I support. This for my RTX 2080 ti's/ (maybe upgrading to RTX 3090/ti's) are being bottlenecked by my slow cpu speed of my Ryzen 7 5800x 3D. I also I need the x16 slots too.
You're talking about NVLink not SLI on 2080ti's. NVLink is completely over the bridge except on very specific, Nvidia made systems. You can actually monitor PCIE traffic and see there is no significant uptick in traffic during a render, or other CUDA task, when using the NVLink.
@@KenS1267 No actual WRX80 all have both S.L.I & NvLink support listed in the instruction manuals. Beside I was reading some forums about bunch of indie developers who bought two RTX 4090 when the released. They could not get NVlink to work at all on some CUDA applications that were supposed to use two to four cards.
@@kevinerbs2778 LOL
There's no quad NVLink for 4090's. The last quad bridges were for the 2000 series, or maybe it was SLI on the 1000's. There are 4 slot wide bridges because you need bridges that wide to connect the card but they only connect two cards.
I have 2x 4090 running NVLink just fine on server boards without any sort of SLI cert right now.
CUDA applications flat don't care how many cards you have. That's the whole point of NVLink. They turn more than one card into a single logical CUDA device. You can get the NVidia systems with NVLink through the motherboard and all the A100's and that whole thing looks to CUDA like one GPU despite there being 16 or something.
@@kevinerbs2778if you don't even know such simple things, i doubt you need either of them
@@toseltreps1101 you act as if i don't kno what each is for when in fact i do know what for?
You do know that they're different features right?
Back in my day! These motherboards were known as the WS boards 😭
Interesting, I workin IT for a university, and I have gotten a system with one of these boards that died about a day after it arrived. it just stopped supplying power to the socket after a restart a day after I got the system.
I want to know more about (f)TPM and compiling “Unreal source”
Yeah, how are these even connected?? I'm so confused.
What is the intel alternative to the latest threadripper chips?
Xeon W-3400 (2023). And it loosing to Threadripper 5000 while having problem with 700 Watt power spikes. So in fact no alternative...
I’m really hopeful for the 8 rank memory channel.
This might be a dumb question but is the memory bus width dependant on the APU?
Let’s say for instance that AMD made a socketable APU for the threadripper motherboard. Can it have a 256 bit bus?
I’m wondering if it’s possible to run a high memory bandwidth APU using a threadripper motherboard. This is needed for AI. Apple’s m ultra series for instance offers 800GB/s.
It’s going to be very expensive but I would gladly invest in this if it means I can have an upgradable APU for AI purposes. Especially if it can have over 196gb of ddr5 memory with 8 rank channel.
I wouldn’t purchase this right away. I’ll need confirmation from amd that such an APU is coming with high memory bandwidth.
8 channel of 5600MT/s DDR5 RDIMM will offer around 360 GB/s. What's why you want to stack industrial GPU's with HMB memory for AI. Also don't believe Apple marketing, 800GB/s is for GPU not for CPU part of SoC.
@@falsevacuum1988 but that’s exactly why ai enthusiasts buy Apple’s m ultra series. Deep learning is done mostly in its gpu plus neural engine.
Can we get increased memory bandwidth if amd offers an ai APU for their threadripper systems? Is the memory bus width determined by the APU in this instance?
@@theworddoner Amd did MI300X and MI300A for AI. And yes, memory bandwidth determined by the APU, on x86 CPU its sucks and this phenomena called "Memory Wall", and Threadripper 7000 doesn't have neuronal engine nor integrated GPU.
@@falsevacuum1988 Sorry if this question seems dumb. But could they not make an AI APU for the threadripper system?
On the consumer side AMD is rumoured to make strix halo which is an APU said to have 256 bit bus width. It should have decent memory bandwidth when paired with quad channels. Is it not possible to make a stronger version of that chip for the threadripper system?
@@theworddoner No one knows AMD future plans lol.
how do you use the remote management features? Is there an IP address you can define?
also does this not support more than 3 GPUs?
This has answed some questions for me, the missing DIMM channel this is something ive experienced my self with a Dual AMD Epyc motherboard only seeing 15 out of 16 slots giving me 120GB stead of 128GB, and also what the micro sdcard is for, the remote management doesnt work for me anyways cause im networking the 4 pc's all on windows 11, it is annoying not having rebar baked into the Supermicro H11dsi-nt Motherboard despite having 4G Decoding option in Bios so it was great to see that option available here, it also has a PCI-E Gen 3 limitatiom, still when i have the money im either goner get the Gigabyte Dual SP3 board or a bigger upgrade to Dual SP5.
Ridiculous motherboard. Great video, thanks!
I really want to upgrade my WRX80E Sage system to the 90. But maybe I'll wait for the rev.2 when the bugs get worked out.
The thought of per core PBO tuning a 96 core CPU made me cry a little. I don't know if the bios has better automation than Ryzen master but the AI tuning options tend to be unstable when switching between full and idle and cause crashes when you aren't doing much of anything with your machine. OCCT has a mode to help find the issue but when you get near stable it can easily run for an hour before causing a core to show faults. You'd be tuning that thing for months.
Good luck with this monster
I hope that Asus will rise to the occasion and will not abandon this board as it happened before
What is memory training? What exactly is it doing?
Memory training is finding the physical sweet spot between memory, memory socket, CPU socket and CPU. The chips, brand, packaging, etc have a lot of variation. It's like a rehearsal and finding what electrical settings work for stable communication among all the components.
@@Level1Techs so the CPU running though a bunch of values to get as clean of a signal between itself and the memory then. How many parameters is it running through?
@@konic40 what it's trying to do is train the sub timings of the memory modules to sync the modules with the memory controller. memory manufactures primarily focus on the main timings e.g. the ones you see in marketing while leaving the sub timings loose for compatibility across multiple memory controllers since no memory controller is the same between even identical cpu's. it'll change the timing, run a test across all available memory and will continue to do that until it fails, reboot and slightly adjust the timing and retest until it fails. it'll make 3 attempts and automatically go back to the known good timing and reboot for the final time. there is an option to save those settings and bypass the retraining on post but asus leaves it off by default because they're too aggressive with their sub timings. even with the option set though if the system for some reason fails to post due to memory it'll attempt to retrain the memory again.
It's essentially the same thing your cable/DSL modem does at startup. Trying various power and frequency combinations to reach the best speeds
Do you know if the latest BIOS for the WRX90E Sage Mobo if they allow Bifurcation in 8x8x mode? My Asrock wrx80 motherboard supports all 7 slots bifurcating to 8x8x mode which is perfect because I have retimers allowing me to connect 14 gpus to the one board. I want to upgrade from the Threadripper 5000 series to the 7000 series and this board looks perfect.
There isn't clear answers online, it'd be helpful if someone who has the motherboard could see?
A question for those who have the WRX90. Do you see memory throttling due to high temperatures on the dimms? Everything from 64GB capacity up gets really toasty without active dimm cooling.
Yes it will absolutely throttle. And at a lower temp than you expect. 65c arounds there in my testing
My concern is longevity. Tjmax in the memory chip should be around 95°c. Measuring with hwinfo or bmc shows us the pcb temp, not chip. I also find it disappointing when a workstation throttles.
@@Level1Techs do you think mounting fans on the ram is sufficient? Also can you share which 64GB dimms you've been able to post on the asus wrx90? I need to build with 8x64GB and am starting to worry
I've often wondered why board manufacturers release their system boards with so many unresolved bugs. All too often these bugs are very basic, upfront, easy to detect, but nonetheless the boards are released. It would seem the reason for this is so the customer can do all the testing for the manufacturer. And why not? Why pay someone to test your product when you can get someone to pay you to test your product instead? (Just a thought.)
Interesting. Do the ASUS W790 Pro Intel boards suffer the same glitches?
S3 yes, and Intel just issued a firmware/microcode update to correct some performance degredation there
What is the name of the chassis in the video for that mobo Asus ?
Can you do some llm inference benchmarks (12, 24, 32… core). Interested to know how the 8 memory channels work out on 80B llm
Im seeing that gskill rdimm kit in almost every video that has a Xeon/Threadripper system and yet its nowhere to be found for sale....
Geeze, I don't think I EVER got a DoA motherboard in 20 years. Closest being a laptop. Also ASUS though, lol.
@@iaial0 Yeah, personally I got one DOA Seasonic PSU (actually blowing the circuit but nothing else, not even another component!) and one that gave up the ghost after a few years. The other... maybe 10 I bought / advised on are a-OK. Even a 10+yo passive 400W gold, first series one. It's powering what I'm writing these lines on, 24/7 for most of the duration too.
I'm a little confused and some casual googling isn't helping. Is that 200W of power consumption across 8x128GB DDR5 DIMMs? Or is it up to 200W per DIMM (which admittedly seems insane)?
no new bios yet
For us storage fiends, the biggest reason to avoid this board is because ASUS opted to bottleneck the 8 lanes leading to the SlimSAS ports by putting them behind the x4 link between the chipset and the CPU. You can work around this by using a pcie carrier, but the AsRock WRX90 will give you better performance on U.2/U.3 storage using onboard SlimSAS.
Got my ASUS Pro WS WRX90E board it's awesome! ASUS just know how to make the best performance and quality board.
I'm sold!!
WoW, Its Great Job You Did, For GCC Gamers Where to Buy ASUS Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE EEB DDR5 Workstation Motherboard in Dubai, UAE ?
I have their WRX80 SAGE board v1.0 and if I get stuck on Post Code 93, I have to re-install the BIOS as it seems to get corrupted somehow. Even using the clear CMOS button doesn't work as it doesn't seem to actually reset the CMOS and it still gets stuck on code 93. I could remove EVERYTHING from the board including the GPUs and it doesn't help until I re-install the BIOS. I've never had a board where clearing the CMOS doesn't work. So I got my board RMA'd and the replacement board has the same issue with code 93. I don't understand why the clear CMOS button isn't working and I have to re-install the BIOS for it to actually clear the CMOS.
If anyone has any ideas why I can't clear the CMOS when I get code 93. please let me know.
That would be the dream basis for a DAW for me, but will probably just remain a dream….
I have been looking at the workstation motherboards because I wanted a more serious feature rich platform because "gaming" motherboards are plagued with striped down pcie lanes and useless gimmicks and junk BIOS. This is out of my price point but I am it looks like a great board with full pcie lanes and no wifi/led gimmicks. I like to buy expansion cards that do a better job then onboard and for those vm experiments.
I just built a new pc with a motherboard Asus Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE and CPU Threadripper 7980x but unfortunately, when I boot from a USB flash drive to install Windows, it stuck on the Asus logo and sometimes NVME M.2 storage does not show in bios, can anyone help,Will highly appreciate.
hey can you overclock RAM on AMD Genoa? I have an EPYC 9554 but RAM is at 4800 eventhough it can run higher (its fury renegade pro RAM)
Hm. That doesn't sound all that peachy. I'm seriously dying to put my CPU Into a board already and I see this board in stock, but I think it might be wise to wait for the ASRock board instead... their memory QVL list looks a lot more mature so hopefully they have done a bit more stability testing than Asus did..
I just came home from grocery shopping and I found a garlicky hot pepper sauce because I too like it spicy! The sauce better burn my face, or I will just have to call it a plain garlic sauce, not a hot one.
does this mother support non ecc ram ?
Wish ASUS remote management was available in more platforms like AM5
Can it play Crysis Wendall?
I will never buy another Asus WS SAGE board, nor would I recommend one. I had the X299 SAGE/WS for an i9 7900. None of the fan, AIO, or pump headers worked. They would power things attached, but never reported RPMs and never allowed PWM control. I had to use a separate third party controller over USB to make my fans and pump do anything other than minimal RPMs.
The board was also incredibly unstable. I went through three different sets of RAM, all from the ASUS page confirming compatibility. Constant crashes.
Unfortunate. I have not had any problem running an oc’d i9-10980xe, 64 GB ddr4 Corsair Vengeance Pro, with an RTX a4500 and a Hyper m.2 v2 add in bifurcation card with 4 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus nvme ssd’s. Also 2 970 EVO’s on the motherboard for OS and Scratch Disk. No AIO, but instead use a Noctua NH-D15S for cpu cooler. System running flawless, no blue screen or freezes, going on 4 years now. Was thinking of upgrading to an Asus W790 Sage soon;, once all the bugs have been worked out, perhaps next year.
One day I will (might) be able to afford a TR workstation... 🖥⌨
yeah, not worth the hassle, Asus seems to be way too consumer/desktop focused with all the issues you're describing. I'll wait for a real workstation/server board manufacturer like Supermicro or Tyan. Or better wait until they get rid of the stupid DDR5 crap and go to DDR6 that solves a lot of the issues with ddr5.
KF560R32RBEK4-128 is playing hide and seek regarding availability in Germany, sad times.
You can have 12 8 core systems with a dedicated graphics card without too much hassle.
Just have to get a little creative with the pcie slots. Not much though.
I have a Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE SE that will not past POST, it just loops. I hate this damn thing, I have been TS'ing for a week!
that's a beautiful bord
Guys I am being so for real I took a bite of a meatball as I started this video
Even taking the exchange rate into account, £17 seems pretty cheap.
Chaloula?
Now we know why...There is a VGA jumper on the physical board. Read the user manual Level1... lol
17 pound ? , 4oz for the motherboard and over 16 pound for the packing ?
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EKY??? Hey did an EMT there - Richmond!
As much as I want to I can't justify spending north of $15K on current year dream system.
NEMIX RAM 8x256GB ECC DDR5 5600CL40 1.1v (20,223$)
Just a reminder of what you need to squeeze out the full potential of current HEDT CPUs
But will it play Crysis?
Isn’t it great to have the same uncertainty in your stomach when trying to use a motherboard for over USD 1,000 as you get when eating mystery meat at a tropical tourist trap’s street vendor?
Finally time to upgrade my 10 year old ASUS motherboard
Well done, hiding that newegg logo! 👍
It was hiding his street address on the shipping label. The Newegg label was clearly visible in a later blur shot. The first one was evidently made larger to avoid redoing the blur to handle box movements.
Classic Asus
For 1300 bucks you want them to be like Supermicro...
@@falsevacuum1988 it still has more & better options than most Desktop boards that cost that much now.
Well back in my day, Tweaker's Paradise was something else entirely...
This was spicy..........Scoville Scale level 1
These motherboards are HEAVY
200W for ram?!
So many pcie slots and ram channels... God tier desktops are back.
17lbs of...frustration.
lol
I'll give it a few months for them to get the bugs worked out.
1 scratch on any of the plastic covers and the warranty is void. Yikes.
He's going to run the entire server from the 1TB of RAM isn't he?
How's bifurcation on this board.
Which PCIe v5.0 riser cables work on that board?
Can you put at least 6 GPUs in your new Lego case that are 4 slots high?
You do know why it's going to be a Lego case. ^^
It's definately a way to get a grown man to play with Legos. 😄
Too bad most of us won't be able to afford the board let alone the best CPU for that board or the full array of 128GiB RAM modules :(
I've grown to hate ASUS, they are not the same ASUS of 10 years ago.
Doesn't seem as nice as the WRX80 SAGE IMO.
When I red 17 pounds I thought it was the weight of the board... :)
200 pounds is cheaper than 1299 US.
Yea, that kinda s***t is why the new machine I'm buying parts for this/next week will be based on AsRock board, as they're the only manufacturer who've not become highly anti-consumer, with their heads shoved way up the butt of "shareholders".
TLDR - FU Asus!
Well, Asus reps and customer service/support Ignoring people is truly nothing new or rare.
I really love to pay their Premium Price for their Service to then not get any service or Support at all.
To me, that's A Sus company. 😺
This is bios 4.04 your bios will be better! Sorry brother, your motherboard is my whole build budget, not even mentioning the price of your proc and ram