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Data missed a great opportunity to cut down Sela by telling her he nailed her mom.
but not going so much as to say "I am your father....and definitely more machine than man"
Data: Perhaps you would find more satisfaction in a different field.
Sela: You motherfucker...
Data: (inclining his head in thought) Yes. She was a screamer.
A gentleman never tells
Did alternate timeline Tasha and Data get it on?
@@ageofgreen99I mean given starfleet's hunger for ships in alt timeline if the Tsiolkovsky still somehow ended up catching the polywater bullshit, the Enterprise could have still intervened. You could easily bullshit a reason for it to happen is what I am saying.
I was always amazed at how bad Romulan security must be if a cloaked Klingon ship can just beam a human and android down and raise no alarm. At that rate, they could just beam photon torpedos down and vaporize the Romulan biosphere.
In Picard season 1, the Federation returns the favor by letting a Romulan become a high-ranking Federation official.
Security is hard!
Agreed. Klingon security is not much better. The Cardassians and Dominion are better at it.
I did get the impression that the Romulans knew they were there, but just assumed there was some classified reverse intelligence thing going on.
I've always wondered about stuff like this. Is it possible that the science of psychology continuously emerges across all possible species; that Romulan hubris gives way to a sort of "chink in the armor"? Would it be plausible that they think they're too good, too smart, and too ferocious for anybody to dare mess with them like that; so their pride wins out and they let their guard down where/when it's most needed? *shrugs*
Substitute Borg for Romulans. I never took the Borg as serious at the beginning. Humans just beamed on board the cubes and walked around, ignored by the drones. Again, use torpedoes rather than crewmen. If you saw "V" it was the same thing. Aliens have no security
[Picard is requesting a cloaked vessel from Chancellor Gowron through B'iJik, a junior adjutant]
B'iJik: How would it benefit the Klingon Empire? I'm sure Gowron will ask.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The only benefit to the Klingon Empire would be our gratitude.
B'iJik: That is what you want me to tell him?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Yes. And please add that, if he is unable to provide us with a ship, then I am sure there are others in the Klingon Empire who would be willing to help me. And then... *they* would have our gratitude.
One of my all time favourite TNG scenes. 😆
The talk between Data and Spock: "You've abandoned what I've sought all my life." To me, that's the best part of the episode, so perfect in how it captures the struggles of both of them.
When Picard talks about fathers and sons, Riker simply says: "I understand." A nice subtle nod to season 2's "The Icarus Factor". Brevity! (and actor Malachi Throne who played Commodore Mendez from TOS's "The Menagerie" appears as Pardek. Subtle fan service!)
Remember, also, that Malachi Throne was brought back for "The Menagerie" because he was the original voice actor for The Keeper in "The Cage."
I mean, they couldn't bring him in just to lay down one or two new lines; they had to give him something more substantial to do.
they got Commodore Mendez one past me that's so cool
The Romulans left the two most brilliant and well known computer hackers in the galaxy alone in a prison cell with easy access to a friggin’ computer kiosk complete with a keyboard. 😀
Which is probably why we never saw Sela again. The Romulan Fleet Command decided to humor her by green-lighting her invasion plan. When it blew up in her face, they either executed her or demoted her and dumped her on some distant outpost so they wouldn't be implicated. That's my theory anyway. 🖖😎👍
Spock must have been slapping his own head at such illogic.
I suppose it demonstrated the need for some Vulcan mental discipline.
Ridiculous that Sela doesnt have any video cams monitoring her office where spock, picard and data were imprisoned where there are computers. Producers could had done a better job not to make it easy for the 3 to hack the romulan computers
The magic moment in ST6 for me was when McCoy replied fascinating to Spock.
Spock: "Doctor, would you care to assist me in surgery on a torpedo?"
Bones: "Fascinating..."
McCoy gets some great lines in ST6: “What is it with you, anyway?”
One of the reasons I like Unification two-parter is that it shows how people can have very different careers over a lifetime. One of my history professors was an attorney for many years and then decided he wanted to do something different. But because of his former expertise, I learned to look at history through legal glasses.
Another lady is a great example. I knew her as a stay at home mom, but she had also been a car saleswoman and then police officer. When she had her mid-life crisis and felt ugly, she became a stripper for confidence.
You never know what someone's other job was. :)
My favorite thing about this episode is Worf just belting out "ME-LOOOOOOOOOOO-TAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" and it always will be.
The ending is one of the few of Trek that make me misty-eyed if not tearful (along with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, "The Inner Light", "The Visitor" and "Living Witness").
I think it's a good thing that Nimoy decided to embrace his status and his iconic Star Trek status for TNG. He could have called it in, but the interplay between Spock and Data was a nod to the similarities of the characters, and the interaction between Picard and Spock is priceless. Picard challenged Spock in a way that is often underutilized in TOS and their movies - don't appeal to Spock from an emotional argument but rather with an intellectual one. Picard challenged Spock to support and justify his basic assumptions about the Romulans, and to guide him in his actions towards rectifying his beliefs that he could do it again like he did with the Klingon Empire.
I remember this watching the original run.
While I would not rate it as one of the best episodes, the stakes were high, and it felt profound. It still is a very good two-parter!
And not only we get SPOCK, we get SELA. And SAREK.
Mark Lenard alone is enough reason to watch. Having him and Patrick Stewart share a scene one more time! And how Picard reacted when he got the news ... this episode harkens back to Journey to Babel.
After part 2, they showed a preview for the Undiscovered Country where the shapeshifter imitating Kirk is vaporized so I thought that scene along with Spock saying he was responsible for what happened to Kirk which is why he did this alone, meant Kirk was going to die in the Undiscovered country.
Yes, I remember that. I thought the same thing. It made me think Spock went to attempt Vulcan Romulan unification out of guilt, feeling responsibility for Kirk's demise, and didn't want to endanger others in his quest.
Spock actually refer to ST6 in the episode, that's airing almost a month in advance of ST6 release. The writers did some clever shit in that episode.
Spock and Picard's discussion of "cowboy diplomacy" is the PERFECT level of fan service. It's a reasonable topic under the circumstances. It uses the established history in a conversational way. It's brought up in a way that's tonally very in line with the age/ career experience gap between the two characters. So the implied wink toward the audience doesn't detract from the story or even the scene. It's naturally integrated and fully in character. The writers knew Kirk had to be mentioned to keep the fans happy, and they clearly put some effort into doing it well.
Picard: "Oh, great. Now not only do I have to find Spock & get up in his face about possibly being a traitor, I also have to tell him that his dad died. They don't pay me enough for this shit."
ALSO Picard: "We don't use money in the future. We have evolved to the point where we seek to better ourselves."
What point of you trying to make by completely miss quoting Picards dialog in the first part?
@@DavidDiaz-de2puthe first quote was of Steve's paraphrasing of Picard there. What's their point? Probably just a joke about what Steve said there.
Great commentary! Loved it for one of my favorite TNG episodes. There is a passing reference to ST6 in Unification II though, a sort of an Easter egg: Spock does tell Picard when they first meet that he had a role in the signing of the Khitomer Accords and he hints that he had to force Kirk's hand to do so. But that's it. If I recall correctly, the episode was indeed thought of a sort of promo for the movie to be released a couple of weeks before the movie itself, but the great thing is that the two parter was so good that it was an independent story regardless of ST6!
The Klingon captain that takes Picard and Data to Romulus is Stephen Root. Better known as Milton from Office Space. Talk about totally different roles.
Incredible make-up work, and the voice was hidden. That man is a chameleon!
See, I've never thought Pardek turned them in. He seems genuinely surprised when Sela shows up, and genuinely hurt when Spock says that it was him who did it. I've always thought Spock only said that so that his friend wouldn't get in trouble. I feel that Pardek's sad goodbye to Spock, and Sela basically saying "Fine, whatever!" when Spock insists that Pardek turned them in and "thanks" him for his service.
That makes sense.
A smart guy wouldn't want anything to do with such a loose cannon as Sela.
I'm grateful for the points you made regarding nostalgia, particularly that this episode tells a story that looks _forward_ and not back. I think that's key to what separates this from having easter eggs machine gunned at you in certain new shows. For one the fan service back then was often a lot more restrained. Of TNG's 178 episodes, TOS characters showed up in 5 of them, or fewer than 3% of episodes.
At what point in *Trek* was it decided that *all* Vulcans and Romulans had to have Spock’s haircut? That wasn’t the case in TOS… or even in the earlier TOS movies…
And *Unification* was mostly remarkable because most of that TOS cast was, for many years prior, *vocally* weary of TNG (something that seems to have been looooong forgotten…)
The Romulan wigs bothered me so much that I wrote a scene which suggested that they were part of the uniform dress code:
Tomalak: "Something bothering you, cousin?"
Tebok: "I can't stand this blasted wig!"
Tomalak: "You'll be out of uniform without it..."
Tebok: "I'm off duty."
Tomalak: "Well, then..."
Tebok pulls the wig off and throws it contemptuously to the floor. Tomalak draws his sidearm and disintegrates it.
Tomalak: "It will never bother you again."
😁
I think Gene Roddenberry was against cross-overs.
I liked that Disco had a Unification III showing his aspiration was ultimately fulfilled, even if not in his lifetime
The parallel with Germany's reunification is a good observation. That hadn't occurred to me before.
Sometimes, I just irrationally miss Spock so much...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 🖖🏾
It's certainly not irrational. I feel it too.
These episodes also have one other guest star ; Malachi Thorne as Pardek. He was in TOS twice, as the original voice of the Talosians in some cuts of the Cage (not sure of further involvement),and as Commidore Mendez in the 2part re~telling the Menagerie. His best known role however, was in the 1970’s series It Takes A Thief as Robert Waggoner’s boss.
The other great thing about Unification is that it set up Spo
ks presence on Romulus for the 2009 Star Trek film that gave us the Kelvin timeline. And according to Discovery Vulcan/Romulan reunification did happen at some time in the future, albeit with mixed results. Another mark of good storytelling, when the writers can build upon what has come before.
And didja” notice who happened to play the Klingon transport Captain? The one that needled our heroes so much? Steven Root! Yeah, that Steven Root.
Aaaaaahhh crazy business!
head canon: D'Tan was a deep cover Obsidian order agent posing as a Romulan child. After he was recalled to Cardassia and debriefed, he was assigned to pose as an 8-year-old Cardassian war orphan named Rugal
A fun episode. For me one of my favorite bits are the scenes with Klim Dokachin
This is one of the few TnG TV stories that received the novelisation treatment, I think. I don't generally read Trek noels anymore but always wondered if some of the plot stuff was ironed out a little better on the page. I like it for the character stuff you mentioned, plus scenes of Riker and Worf doing some investigation off the ship are great. Also stuff on ROmulus. I always enjoy the Romulans and wish there was more stuff on their homeworld.
I've always liked this 2-parter. Shit plot, extremely well acted 🙂
Fun fact: the Klingon captain was played by Steven Root, who played Milton, the red stapler guy in Office Space.
I loved both parts of Unification. I'm pleased that Spock (Leonard Nimoy) decided to do it. Ties TOS, TNG and The Undiscovered Country together quite nicely. I loved the espionage subplots on Romulus with Spock, Data and Picard-- as well as Sela, Pardek and Neral.
There are three things I love about this episode:
1: Data and Spock's conversation, I really wish we'd gotten more screen time with the two of them together
2: The fact that Spock is probably one the most recognizable people in the quadrant, and yet made absolutely no attempt to disguise himself. Romulans and Vulcans may be basically the same species, but Romulans have developed that very prominent 'V' ridge on their forehead, but Spock refused to change his obscenely famous face in any way.
3: The idea that a few thousand troops can conquer an entire planet, and somehow hold onto it, completely cut off from any support, smack in the middle of Federation space.
Addition: Also the fact that the trojan Vulcan ships are heading towards Vulcan at Warp ONE, meaning it will take them about a hundred years to get there.
My all time favorite Star Trek Episode 😍😍😍
Also you are closing on 150k 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I just love how writers, particularly sci-fi ones, think invading a planet/country is trivial- a couple of troopships outta handle it, no problem.
Have I got some news about American foreign policy starting September 12, 2001 for you.
Season 5 of TNG that I think should be a genuine case study of Trek at its finest and at its least gimmicky. There are very few callback stories outside of "Silicon Avatar". Indeed, Episodes like "I, Borg" (which is not an action episode and indeed turns the idea of the Borg on its head) or "The First Duty" (which features the first time ever seeing Starfleet Academy, but it's not fun and instead a stark, stomach-churning drama). It's so non-gimmicky that Q does not appear in it because the writers couldn't think of a worthy story for him and didn't want to do a half-assed Q episode. Indeed, "Unification" is the only "gimmick episode" that still doesn't feel like it is. Alex Kurtzman and company should study and pore over every aspect of this season of Trek.
I think TNG peaked in seasons 3 and 4. Berman firing Ron Jones contributed to season 5 feeling a bit dull.
@@BigNoseDog Really?! Season 5 has a veritable sizzle reel of the best action scenes in the series entire 7 year run: "Redemption II", "Silicon Avatar", "Conundrum", "Power Play", "Cause and Effect", and "The Next Phase" have some dynamite action sequences that still hold up over 30 years!
Those days when you could actually have a good episode of a sci fi show that wasn't by necessity one of its best...
As with most of Trek, despite the plot holes, I’ve always loved Unification.
When I go back and watch TNG episodes, these two are always on the list.
I actually love the scene with Spock & Data, brief though it was. I think they would make excellent companions, given Spock's philosophical leanings and Data's own search for self. Fascinating.
Also...Bill Dauterive is in this episode as a Klingon!
Yup.
I never skip unification when I rewatch tng. One of the best episodes of the series.
I was always struck by how bad the invasion plan from this episode was. Perhaps the invasion force was going to keep up the ruse of being a diplomatic delegation for a while after they arrived? Maybe they were infected with a pathogen meant to infect the Vulcans, which Seela didn't reveal to the protagonists? Could have been anything.
I think it's neat that in STVI Spock is doing his first bit of Ambassadorship. And in this episode he's still an Ambassador, only now to the Romulans.
I can keep seasons straight in my head, but not how they overlap in real-time with each other. So thank you, Steve, for mentioning that! Peace and long life!
Brave of them to wait a couple of decades to finish the episode with Unification III.
The inadvertent "Easter Egg" created by having the head of photography perfectly reflected in the prism on Sela's desk...
I'm amused that made it into final cut.
No one caught it...
Great timing with your Starfleet Academy t-shirt given the new show announcement! 😆
The plot problems are really astonishing as they would have been easy to fix. Sela's plan could have been a sabotage or infiltration mission that makes use of the specific circumstances, preparing a war rather than starting it outright. And instead of telling them her plan and then leaving the room, the protagonists could have escaped, figured it out and foiled it, thus giving them more agency.
Have you seen my stapler Petaq? Love Stephen Root was the Klingon Captain
I always wanted more from this concept. If anything, _Star Trek Nemesis_ should have utilised Spock's movement in some way. Maybe all the soldiers returning from the Dominion War had a newfound respect for the Federation & even the Klingons, and began to push for moderation. Remans enthusiastically supported the war, hoping it would get them some form of independence _a la_ India with the British Empire in World War 1. So when independence is refused, Spock's movement starts to become a magnet for all these disaffected groups, and he starts to progressively lose control of it.
Have your thoughts on this episode changed at all since the “Unification III” episode of Discovery?
I always figured Spock was helping the Senator save face so he was not arrested and executed.
Funny how Data and Spock are on Romulus, but the computer Spock is using at 11:51 has a Klingon emblem on on it?
No mention of Unification III? It was great to see Burnham's pride in Spock's life's work and to witness the ultimate payoff of Romulans and Vulcans unified on Ni'var.
My favorite oops appearance of one of the film crew is in Part II (in the reflection in the prism on the desk). It has probably been removed in later releases.
4:11 they dont pay ya at all my good captain!
I was never sure if it was on purpose or not but the passing of Sarek coincides with the passing of Gene Roddenberry. There's something symbolic about the father of Spock dying in an episode preceded by a message marking the death of the father of the franchise, to me anyway.
Damn, I completely forgot these episodes aired only a few weeks before XI. Though I am a little surprised that you didn't mention part 3, even though it was in disco s3, it still showed that Spock did succeed in his mission.
I think you summed up my own thoughts about it pretty perfectly.
The funny part is when Sela appears in "whatever happened to...?" videos.
I never wondered what happened to Sela. After the monolithic incompetence and poor planning she showed in this episode, which directly led to the deaths of ~3000 Romulan soldiers, I had just taken it as a given that the Praetor had her dragged into the Senate courtyard and lined up against the wall. 😆
I think you were a bit remiss in not mentioning holographic Riker and the funniest combover ever shown on a TV screen.
I miss Leonard Nimoy more than I miss my dad.
Rewatching this episode last night, I was struck by the parallels between Sarek’s sad demise and Tuvok’s in the last episode of Voyager. That timeline (as I recall) was nullified, but it’s sad to see Vulcans succumbing to such emotional and physical pain at the end of their days.
I never liked the way this episode treats Vulcan almost like a separate faction to the Federation. Not just the whole concept of unification being between Vulcan and Romulus, not The Federation and the Star Empire.. but even little things like the "Vulcan ship". Isn't a Vulcan ship just... A Starfleet ship?
I think the Federation isn't as loose as the United Nations, but not as tight a connection of governments as the United States so there could be officials and ships from both the Federation and the individual "nations" like the Vulcans
Starfleet is merely the exploratory and defensive arm of the Federation. The individual member worlds still have their own home-built civilian vessels for trading, cargo-running, and non-Starfleet scientific expeditions, though. There are even examples of Starfleet selling some of their older ships to exclusively civilian interests for these purposes. The S.S. Vico from "Hero Worship" is one. 🖖😎👍
@@navibc31 I've always thought of it as operating more closely to the EU, where each nation's military and government is still separate but they also engage in the supranational parliament/capitol coordinations (and Starfleet would be like the proposed EU-wide army contributed-to from all members)
@@kaitlyn__L
Seems about right.
The EU already have a common border force called Frontex.
Back when I first started watching season one of ST Picard, it very briefly seemed as though the writers were attempting to provide details of all the different stuff the retired Admiral Picard had been getting up to (besides overseeing his vineyard in France) since the end of Nemesis. Personally, I thought it might've been interesting if the whole effort he was involved in to help rescue/re-locate Romulan citizens had been framed as his own small way of trying to carry on Ambassador Spock's legacy. Alas, things eventually ended up going in a whole different direction.
My dad lost his mind when Spock showed up
As something of a Romaboo I'm a little vexed by the misuse of Roman titles in Romulan episodes.
A proconsul was a high ranking provincial governor.
The big cheese in The Senate was the princeps senatus.
Tell me more about Romulan style cooking
Man, I thought TOS was the only Trek that could possibly be retro.
😅
I noticed that there was a teasing reference to the then-unreleased Star Trek VI film in the dialogue between Spock and Picard; Spock makes a passing reference to the diplomatic elements of that movie after Picard criticizes him for carrying out "cowboy diplomacy."
Spock compared Kirk to Nixon, when Spock said "only Nixon can go to China." Another Nixon reference was that Kirk recorded the fact that they're drinking Romulan Ale on a Starship.
If Kirk, was supposed to represent Nixon, then would Spock be a similar reference as Kissenger.
I remember this episode well... especially the twist in the end where Trump was indicted.
I think it's okay for the main characters to not be the heroes of the story sometimes. In many ways, this plays out more as a mystery they need to uncover, which is just as fun. And, yes, it's really okay Sela's plot isn't really well thought out.
Given today's Star Trek news, Steve's shirt is very relevant. Also Unification III from Disco S3 was pretty solid, it was a lovely tribute.
Honestly the only problem I had with that episode is the Lack of Data/Spock interaction. One who has achieved absolute logic but yearns to be human and one who has spent his entire life trying to escape his humanity and achieve absolute logic. There should have been more to their interaction.
The pro-counsel was the protagonist in the voyager episode counterpoint. It took me a minute to figure out where I knew him from.
I love your not so subtle jabs at ST:Picard in all these videos lol
Steve I can't help but notice a certain theme regarding nostalgia in these "Moral of the Story" recaps at the end.
Ya think?
Mind meld with Sarak, who has brain disorder. Picard later develops Irumodic syndrome, a brain disorder. Oh, apparently other people have already thought of this.
Great video as usual
Relics is my favorite TNG episode. Where to begin?
i was 11 when this e.p come out i loved it
I really wish you would re-open commissions, because I have been sitting on an idea for a while that closely relates to things you discuss here that I think you would very enjoy doing.
You can almost call part 1 "The Search for Spock". Thatd be a great star trek title...
I’ll always be grateful to Star Trek for introducing me to the concept of deep fakes decades before they became a reality. Far less panic that way.
You know, I never noticed before (even on several viewings) that Sela's plan is kind of weird. I guess that's a further endorsement of how well the character stories were written.
This is how you do fan service: Tell a _new_ story. Not the abomination that was _Enterprise's_ "These are the Voyages..."
Agree with you, Steve. This episode isn't one of the best, but it is very good. One of the niggles for me is the end, where Picard and Spock mind-meld, and it's kinda really glossed over as the credits start as soon as they start. This deserved a bigger, longer moment as it's a significant time in Spock's life and I would have liked to have seen them acting together in such a close, intimate way that a mind-meld is.
The scene-chewing, once again, with Mark Leonard and Patrick Stewart in part 1 is fabulous.
I was and am luke-warm about Unification. It was fine.
I, too, always thought that Sela’s plan for Vulcan conquest was ridiculous. At most a couple of thousand troops were going to take over a planet of billions. And then, Star Fleet would just stand by and not starve the enemy out or kill them outright. A few thousand ground troops taking over a multi planet power is just silly.
Unification part 1 indeed had the best soup-eating subplot in all of Trek. Do you think the writers were making a (not-so-subtle) callback to the Spock/Chapel (colloquially "Spopal") plomeek soup subplot fom TOS "Amok Time"? Seems pretty obvious to me.
Was thinking about Picard/Fan service. If in 3 Fridays time (its Friday in the UK), I'm not blubbing into my glass of wine while the camera slowly pans across familiar faces among the mourners at JLP's funeral the series will have failed.
When u was young I remember being very meh when the episodes aired.... years later I learned to love them. The simple fact of the heros pretty much stuck in a web felt very real and how life goes some time.
Another reflection I think the occupation of Vulcan would likely be aided by closed warbirds...warlords.... I think the occupation would have been an attempt to knock out a pillar of the federation without people knowing it was an invasion. Like if Vulcan went black and suddenly withdrew from the federation and joined romulus..... but if not it's just silly
Spock, having lived through what he's lived through at this point in his life, can do what he pleases and the Federation can back his play and shut up.
Great crossover
The episodes have some great moments, but overall I was bored, just having Spock and some nice moments wasn’t enough
I’d rewatch it though and re-assess it
Solid 2 parter, the second is not as strong as the first imo, although the stuff with Data and Spock is pretty good
Sela kinda pulls it down, she's a bit of a bumbling bond villain but it was interesting how she is a kind of a dark mirror to Spock in a certain way I felt they could've focus on that more on those character beats
I'm annoyed they never followed up on this more directly, it's a great conceit that worked with UDC and I felt could've worked if they saw it through on screen
To me either Nemesis or Season 1 of Picard should've dealt with this, we only get some lore building follow up as backdrop in Discovery season 3 with Unification iii which was a servicable episode for me but still I wanted to actually see it setup with the Enterprise E crew.
Fun essay. The Romulans culture of individualistic status-seeking makes for some silly actions by Tal Shiar agents easier to swallow. Peace and long life:)
Technically it is a 3 part episode as the third part takes place in STD in the 32nd Century
Minor feedback but can you put the Series and Episode #'s in the video titles? IE: Star Trek Retro Review: TNG S5x307-308 "Unification"
Just about to watch this - I assume Steve is going to hate it because in the Picard season 3 videos he's been talking so much about how he hates it when something from one Star Trek show shows up on another Star Trek show so this will be a big rant about how TOS characters shouldn't be seen in TNG stories...
Couldn't resist at taking another swipe at "Star Trek: Picard," could you? ;)
I really kind of hate this episode because it makes the Romulans look like the Keystone Kops.
Like, late-Voyager-Borg levels of non-threatening.