For gas stoves in cold weather, you need a stove with a hose so that you can turn the canister over. The propane will come off first in cold weather, and the butane left will stay liquid below 26F. A stove with a "generator" type vaporizer running above the burner is a big plus as well, otherwise you have to run inverted until the burner head is hot. The ultralight gas stoves which are simply a stick above the canister are no good in cold weather, but with a hose so you can turn the canister over will let you run the stove at altitude on Mount Everest. You burn the propane off for a couple of seconds until the vaporizer turns red, then flip the canister over so you are burning everything in the canister. You need the butane or isobutane/propane mix type fuels of course--straight butane that you sometimes find is useless in cold weather. This will work to -40F, below which the propane will not sufficiently vaporize, although you can warm the canister against your body if you feel brave (brrrrrr!)
I have that same stove and have used it only a handful of times so far but it has never let me down, even in really cold weather. It's a bit bulkier than a lot of other "backpacking" stoves but the ability to use many different fuels makes it a much more valuable option. Great video.
I got my first msr when the more that 10 years ago it still works great. We have a bigger situation now and needed two so I picked up this stove, thanks for the video we’re unpacking today headed out Friday our chief ( he gets mad when we say cook but he’s the most valued part of our crew) loves the simmer on the older stove. So I hope it’s just as good.
I have a whisperlite and I gotta tell ya, these things make tons of heat and I prefer it over the butane/propane stoves for cooking. Especially for multiple persons. Every year we camp 4-7 days on the Buffalo National River, I can make it all week with two 20 oz fuel bottles. I cook with a 10" steel skillet and it does great even in near freezing conistions. The pocket-rocket type stoves are great for individual water boiling, but they really eat the fuel in windy cold conditions. Great review Ben
Very nice gas stove! I like that they include a wind screen. I haven't seen that in any other gas stove. You would most likely have to make you own. Also, the pressurization is a great feature!
I have the MSR Whisperlite international and it's a great stove. I bought the MSR Trillium stove base and a better wind blocker. I really enjoy watching your videos. Good work and keep them coming.
I love the way you set up your stove on a nice layer of dry twigs and leaves, with a strong breeze to make the forest fire really travel. Naughty, naughty! (Viewers: MSR instructions strongly suggest a 4-ft radius cleared of combustibles). 😒 Just sayin'...
I skipped through the video to get an idea for the size of the stove, but I'm so glad you pointed that out because that sound was amazing to hear. 10/10
MSR suggests that before connecting the braided SS gas line to the pump, you should lubricate the brass fitting with either the supplied lube or just some saliva. If you don't the O rings in the fitting on the pump will wear out sooner.
Great video mate. . The beauty about this stove is you can go around the world and have no worries about finding fuel. You can buy them in country.You should let your audience realise that you can’t find gas canisters in a lot of countries I have many different stoves but this is the most versatile. Check out the BioLite camp stove.
MSR is like the Sherman tank of camp stoves. Finally retired my Whisperlite from the late 1970s. Think this is the one to go with next as we live in subarctic conditions and there ain't gonna be no isopropane going at this time of year when you need quick and efficient heat! Caveat: they still probably don't work well for simmering lol. A real blast furnace. Excellent review.
For prepping (post-SHTF) : Stay far away from these stoves. I have quite some experience with this particular stove myself. I decided to get rid of it and no longer consider it prep-worthy... The pumps fail so easy, rendering the stove completely useless, instantly. I had THREE pumps fail on me, in about 8 camping trips (!) And they are quite expensive (about €50). If you DO decide to trust your life on it, make sure to prep an infinite amount of pumps as well... Oh yeah, and the special rubber O-rings that this stove needs (in 4 or 5 different sizes). As these fail even quicker... Also I'm still wondering why they call it the Whisperlite. It sounds like a jet engine, to my experience.
+Dutch Prepper It actually is quieter than some others I have tried. If the pump fails on this one you can switch to canister which is why the universal is most likely more prep worthy than standalone pump etc.
Alot of parts that could be lost is the only down side I can see. I ended up with the optimus polaris stove can use all the fuels with no change out of parts.
It's an old video just hope you are more careful now. Clear the duff and burnables away from where you use a stove, a square yard is more than enough. Yes a very good single burner! KM
I've heard that if you put the canister inside your jacket or sleeping bag, it will work. That won't help in the trunk unless someone put you in it. 👍🏼
Living Survival you wouldn't with the MSR being brand new and in conditions you are testing it in. The stoves performance shines when faced with expedition like conditions.....:)...both great stoves but I'd definitely lean towords the primus line
maltasfinest85 how do you figure it's brand new and that I haven't tested it in all sorts of conditions? I typically don't show stuff until it has been fully tested.
it looks pretty new seeing it dose not have much if any oxidization marks..and unless you were able to perform some off camera testing in -32c conditions id say the stove and its possible potential have not been "fully" tested. I however have had the MSR Whisperlight Universal and XKG and found the pump assembly to be very flimsy compared to the stout craftsmanship of the PRIMUS. I also do not like to idea of having to disassemble the stoves generator assembly to change out the jets as you would on the MSR whisperlight. You have great reviews and feel strongly that you would aggree on all of these points if you had a PRIMUS you could compare to
hey Ben...the msr line is great but I highly recommend you check out and compare the PRIMUS line up...I have been using the the PRIMUS Omni Lite Titanium for 4 years now and she has never let me down..the primus line IMO far surpassed the craftsmanship of the MSR line...plus with the omni lite there is no changing gas lines from white gas to butane......cheers
Ben, I'm also in MI on my canned gas i have had pretty good luck with putting a handwarmer on the bottom and side...............good review on this fine stove.........
One can also put the canned gas in an inside pocket for pre-warming, but its not practical for survival. I'm a big JetBoil fan, but canned gas doesn't work well below freezing!
As nice as the pocket rocket is, I think I would enjoy this one much more. Infact this is the one I am saving up to get. My only concern is some of the reviews state it breaks a lot and you should carry extra parts. How do you feel about that? Thanks for the awesome review Ben! ~Dawn
+SouthPaw Bushcraft i haven't used it enough to really comment on that. I have however used it on multiple occasions and that might be more than most do LOL. Seems like if you are careful with the parts and go easy it will be ok.
Thanks Ben... Wow, it takes a lot of patience to do a video on this stove, as somewhat complicated as it is. Well Done! Who is this stove for? I think everybody. While I would not recommend it in a "Get Home Kit" where time is of the essence (and an alcohol stove might shine brighter), I can see this for camping, long-term backpacking, and even in a bug-out scenario (where multi-fuel capabilities really shine). In the bug-out we are looking for fuels to use... and we never know what we might run across. Well done, sir... another great video review! Ya'll should subscribe to this channel!
+Alan Williams By the way... speaking of alcohol... does anyone know if you can fill one of those bottles with alcohol, then pressurize it for use on this stove? I'm just being curious.
I've got both, that BRS is good for the money, but the build quality is not there, and finding extra parts is a pain. the support for msr is wonderful.
great video bro did you pick a winner for those boxes yet I still went on that thing and didn't figure out where to start a thread I'm going to try it again when I get home I'll try it on my tablet it was hard on my phone I couldn't figure out anything
hey living survival i cant find any survival food i like im a 9 year old kid whose pretty pikey i like chocatlety things im looking for energy bars can you give me any recomendtions thanks it would be really helpful
+Living Survival Yea totally there great stoves just not at good as they used to be. A little mod thats not really recommended but really makes it universal is that you can burn alcohol.what you would need is a spare jet which you could get from the service kit and widen it with a small drill bit, sort of trial and error but start off small and work your way up minimaly . Additionally you can get a butane adapter and with the canister jet burn butane
+rogue109 Wikipedia is your friend I guess....white gas is literally pure gasoline (with no additives). Here in the North West, I've never heard of the stuff...let alone where to buy it.
Very nice gas stove! I like that they include a wind screen. I haven't seen that in any other gas stove. You would most likely have to make you own. Also, the pressurization is a great feature!
I have had my whisperlite for over 20yrs now since I was in boy scouts, it still works great. A great prepper item.
+Chris Ossewaarde agreed!
For gas stoves in cold weather, you need a stove with a hose so that you can turn the canister over. The propane will come off first in cold weather, and the butane left will stay liquid below 26F. A stove with a "generator" type vaporizer running above the burner is a big plus as well, otherwise you have to run inverted until the burner head is hot. The ultralight gas stoves which are simply a stick above the canister are no good in cold weather, but with a hose so you can turn the canister over will let you run the stove at altitude on Mount Everest. You burn the propane off for a couple of seconds until the vaporizer turns red, then flip the canister over so you are burning everything in the canister. You need the butane or isobutane/propane mix type fuels of course--straight butane that you sometimes find is useless in cold weather. This will work to -40F, below which the propane will not sufficiently vaporize, although you can warm the canister against your body if you feel brave (brrrrrr!)
+geezerdude good to know, thanks.
This stove has all of that
I have that same stove and have used it only a handful of times so far but it has never let me down, even in really cold weather. It's a bit bulkier than a lot of other "backpacking" stoves but the ability to use many different fuels makes it a much more valuable option. Great video.
+LivingLife TV completely agree. thanks for watching.
I use the dragonfly a lot on the trail. Just picked up the pocket rocket. MSR makes great gear
+live4wild nice
I got my first msr when the more that 10 years ago it still works great. We have a bigger situation now and needed two so I picked up this stove, thanks for the video we’re unpacking today headed out Friday our chief ( he gets mad when we say cook but he’s the most valued part of our crew) loves the simmer on the older stove. So I hope it’s just as good.
I have a whisperlite and I gotta tell ya, these things make tons of heat and I prefer it over the butane/propane stoves for cooking. Especially for multiple persons. Every year we camp 4-7 days on the Buffalo National River, I can make it all week with two 20 oz fuel bottles. I cook with a 10" steel skillet and it does great even in near freezing conistions. The pocket-rocket type stoves are great for individual water boiling, but they really eat the fuel in windy cold conditions. Great review Ben
+fwaynedavis i agree. with the size of the pocket rocket you might as well just put that one in this kit for even quicker boil ups.
Very nice gas stove! I like that they include a wind screen. I haven't seen that in any other gas stove. You would most likely have to make you own. Also, the pressurization is a great feature!
I have the MSR Whisperlite international and it's a great stove. I bought the MSR Trillium stove base and a better wind blocker. I really enjoy watching your videos. Good work and keep them coming.
+Rick Latimer thank you Rick for watching and the comment.
I love the way you set up your stove on a nice layer of dry twigs and leaves, with a strong breeze to make the forest fire really travel. Naughty, naughty! (Viewers: MSR instructions strongly suggest a 4-ft radius cleared of combustibles). 😒 Just sayin'...
"600-700 liter cup"
Thirsty boy.
The sound when you put the water bottle down at 10:23 was very satisfying.
I skipped through the video to get an idea for the size of the stove, but I'm so glad you pointed that out because that sound was amazing to hear. 10/10
1950s Coleman 2-burner stove using "white gas" and a hand pump for pressure. We had one. Maybe not for backpackers, but old technology to be honored.
I was given 2 of those coleman camp stoves. They are great for cub scouts camping
+GizmoBee1702 have used those many times when car camping.
MSR suggests that before connecting the braided SS gas line to the pump, you should lubricate the brass fitting with either the supplied lube or just some saliva. If you don't the O rings in the fitting on the pump will wear out sooner.
Great video mate. . The beauty about this stove is you can go around the world and have no worries about finding fuel. You can buy them in country.You should let your audience realise that you can’t find gas canisters in a lot of countries I have many different stoves but this is the most versatile. Check out the BioLite camp stove.
I’ve reviewed it.
MSR is like the Sherman tank of camp stoves. Finally retired my Whisperlite from the late 1970s. Think this is the one to go with next as we live in subarctic conditions and there ain't gonna be no isopropane going at this time of year when you need quick and efficient heat! Caveat: they still probably don't work well for simmering lol. A real blast furnace. Excellent review.
+Canesser you can actually control it down pretty far.
Good to hear!
For prepping (post-SHTF) : Stay far away from these stoves. I have quite some experience with this particular stove myself. I decided to get rid of it and no longer consider it prep-worthy... The pumps fail so easy, rendering the stove completely useless, instantly. I had THREE pumps fail on me, in about 8 camping trips (!) And they are quite expensive (about €50). If you DO decide to trust your life on it, make sure to prep an infinite amount of pumps as well... Oh yeah, and the special rubber O-rings that this stove needs (in 4 or 5 different sizes). As these fail even quicker... Also I'm still wondering why they call it the Whisperlite. It sounds like a jet engine, to my experience.
+Dutch Prepper It actually is quieter than some others I have tried. If the pump fails on this one you can switch to canister which is why the universal is most likely more prep worthy than standalone pump etc.
also no fumbling around with the fuel lines to change the Jets when using the PRIMUS
Yeah ok we get it, no need to comment the same thing twice
Alot of parts that could be lost is the only down side I can see. I ended up with the optimus polaris stove can use all the fuels with no change out of parts.
It's an old video just hope you are more careful now. Clear the duff and burnables away from where you use a stove, a square yard is more than enough.
Yes a very good single burner! KM
Clear and concise, all I needed to know. Thanks.
I've heard that if you put the canister inside your jacket or sleeping bag, it will work. That won't help in the trunk unless someone put you in it. 👍🏼
+David Barclay yeah any way you can warm it up
pump assembly on the primus is all brass/aluminum /metal
+maltasfinest85 i don't have a problem with this one.
Living Survival you wouldn't with the MSR being brand new and in conditions you are testing it in. The stoves performance shines when faced with expedition like conditions.....:)...both great stoves but I'd definitely lean towords the primus line
maltasfinest85 how do you figure it's brand new and that I haven't tested it in all sorts of conditions? I typically don't show stuff until it has been fully tested.
it looks pretty new seeing it dose not have much if any oxidization marks..and unless you were able to perform some off camera testing in -32c conditions id say the stove and its possible potential have not been "fully" tested. I however have had the MSR Whisperlight Universal and XKG and found the pump assembly to be very flimsy compared to the stout craftsmanship of the PRIMUS. I also do not like to idea of having to disassemble the stoves generator assembly to change out the jets as you would on the MSR whisperlight. You have great reviews and feel strongly that you would aggree on all of these points if you had a PRIMUS you could compare to
maltasfinest85 i've used it a bunch but i clean my gear when I come in. It's been in other videos.
Hey Ben could we get an update?? I just got the dragonfly and Bemco backpackers oven I'm super excited!!(= stay strong&healthy safe&happy!!✌💚
hey Ben...the msr line is great but I highly recommend you check out and compare the PRIMUS line up...I have been using the the PRIMUS Omni Lite Titanium for 4 years now and she has never let me down..the primus line IMO far surpassed the craftsmanship of the MSR line...plus with the omni lite there is no changing gas lines from white gas to butane......cheers
+maltasfinest85 i'll check it out.
Good review on white gas. Will you be doing a review, like this one, but use Coleman Camp Fuel?
Great choice. I own the international stove and works outstanding. Great video
+Carlos Sepulveda thanks my friend!
You did 25 pumps. You said 10 when you were at 15 and you said 20 when you were at 25 😆👍
Ben, I'm also in MI on my canned gas i have had pretty good luck with putting a handwarmer on the bottom and side...............good review on this fine stove.........
+ben terwellen canned gas works pretty well for me too until the temp drops below freezing and the bottle is less than full.
One can also put the canned gas in an inside pocket for pre-warming, but its not practical for survival. I'm a big JetBoil fan, but canned gas doesn't work well below freezing!
SurvivalTech Nord My first experience with canned gas was with a jetboil and sucked when cold.
Living Survival agreed!
Very good video. I was just wondering about this thank u
As nice as the pocket rocket is, I think I would enjoy this one much more. Infact this is the one I am saving up to get. My only concern is some of the reviews state it breaks a lot and you should carry extra parts. How do you feel about that? Thanks for the awesome review Ben! ~Dawn
+SouthPaw Bushcraft i haven't used it enough to really comment on that. I have however used it on multiple occasions and that might be more than most do LOL. Seems like if you are careful with the parts and go easy it will be ok.
Sweet, just picked up a brand new one for 20 bucks out of pocket! couldn't pass that deal up!
+Kevin Scurlock nice, enjoy.
Good luck trying to find one these days
International is The same thing I think.
@@livingsurvival nope…international can’t use canisters
Thanks Ben... Wow, it takes a lot of patience to do a video on this stove, as somewhat complicated as it is. Well Done! Who is this stove for? I think everybody. While I would not recommend it in a "Get Home Kit" where time is of the essence (and an alcohol stove might shine brighter), I can see this for camping, long-term backpacking, and even in a bug-out scenario (where multi-fuel capabilities really shine). In the bug-out we are looking for fuels to use... and we never know what we might run across. Well done, sir... another great video review! Ya'll should subscribe to this channel!
+Alan Williams By the way... speaking of alcohol... does anyone know if you can fill one of those bottles with alcohol, then pressurize it for use on this stove? I'm just being curious.
+Alan Williams with a mod you can.
the LS. This was a very cool video.
Good video but I'm not a fan of the stove. Thanks Ben.
Not complicated at all😳
BRS-8B Stove seems better build for half of the price of MSR
I've got both, that BRS is good for the money, but the build quality is not there, and finding extra parts is a pain. the support for msr is wonderful.
Solo stove! Hands down.
great video bro did you pick a winner for those boxes yet I still went on that thing and didn't figure out where to start a thread I'm going to try it again when I get home I'll try it on my tablet it was hard on my phone I couldn't figure out anything
+Joey Gregory haven't picked yet, in a week or so.
Can you fit a canteen cup on it???
another good review...thanks ..
Guy
Sweet stove !
Ben, can you run Denatured Alcohol?
+Kristyanna Virgona there are people that have modded it to work with that yes.
hey living survival i cant find any survival food i like im a 9 year old kid whose pretty pikey i like chocatlety things im looking for energy bars can you give me any recomendtions thanks it would be really helpful
@imsuckingwind yeah I was unable to find it to earlier I'm not sure how to do it I think I'm just going to give up lol I'm not going to win anyway
I have both the universal and original whisperlite and found that quality has gone down from the original
+Mark Kalwa good to know. I haven't had any issues, seems very durable to me.
+Living Survival
Yea totally there great stoves just not at good as they used to be. A little mod thats not really recommended but really makes it universal is that you can burn alcohol.what you would need is a spare jet which you could get from the service kit and widen it with a small drill bit, sort of trial and error but start off small and work your way up minimaly . Additionally you can get a butane adapter and with the canister jet burn butane
I like it
Nice Ben
+DpKxREVO thanks boss
thanks buddy i wanna enter never won anything lol
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot "white gas" over...? Kerosene, gasoline, methyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol, those I understand...but WTF is white gas?
+rogue109 Wikipedia is your friend I guess....white gas is literally pure gasoline (with no additives). Here in the North West, I've never heard of the stuff...let alone where to buy it.
+rogue109 haha yeah, camp gas basically.
It's another name for naptha
Very nice gas stove! I like that they include a wind screen. I haven't seen that in any other gas stove. You would most likely have to make you own. Also, the pressurization is a great feature!
also no fumbling around with the fuel lines to change the Jets when using the PRIMUS