I had a government teacher in college who let me write a paper on abortion. He was pro-choice, and I wrote a 20 page pro-life paper, but he still gave me an A.
This is the reality in the world we live in. There are cruel, false species invading the worlds here. They are spreading fear and weakness to you. They have ways of scaring and tiring people like wolves. They have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children, they want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity. What could be easier than humanity killing its own future? That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete. a perfect plan to destroy humanity. like All serial killers have good reasons for killing people. and All roe v wade excuses are to mass kill innocent unborn children. reason: the fetus is a tree without a brain... to kill unborn children. my answer: Imagine what I could do while I was inside the round egg. I can speak to my mother's body and I get inside. This is the ability of a superman. fertilized egg is me now. The fertilized egg has already found its way to the mother's abdomen, and inside to live inside the mother. A fetus knows what to do to become a human. the fertilized egg can talk to the mother's body, let the mother's body let it go inside to live in the mother's womb. since I was in my infancy I was able to: behave, talk mother's body, thought, feeling relatives and life around my mother... There are many events in your life that you have forgotten. You can't remember the feeling when you were in the womb because you let it into oblivion. If you want to remember everything, you need to practice awakening. ~~~~ I didn't have a body when I came into this world, my DNA already knew how to create the body I am now. The fertilized egg is the big bang For a human to enter the world. It was the beginning of a human's entry into the world. "Abortion" is the destruction of humanity in its infancy. This is the murder of an innocent unborn child. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime. ----- Each stage of my life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions. No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person. When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body. When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk. When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make. >>>>today: Humanity does not consider human consciousness to be a 1.3kg mass of bean pulp. A lot of bodies are full of brains, full of all strong body parts... But they have no emotions, no thoughts, especially they can't know how to eat by themselves. Humans still see them as people, humans see them as people who are suffering from injuries, incurable problems, needing help and needing treatment. That is human compassion and love. That is humanity. Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective. >>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment. Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful. Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer. also need punished wicked mastermind kill unborn babies of humanity. thank you!
@@TheCrusaderPub I think it much better to say Based tradition sayings that trigger the left than “winning leftists at their own game” (your losing). So for example “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away”.
I had a professor give a similar “no-abortion-speech rule”. But I wasn’t just abortion, it was a number of hot politically divisive issues at the time. She said she did it because she used to have several people choose identical topics, and it also lead to arguments that were way too heated.
I like to use a "net-zero" argument: God created those people He destroyed in the Flood (who brought it on themselves by their wickedness), so to take those lives he created away leaves him at a "net-zero" at worst (which isn't even actuality, since things exist, making God necessarily a net positive) The main retort is "well, can parents kill their kids?" which doesn't follow since the parents use things given to them by God in order to "make" their children. I'm always wondering who these vids are meant to convince
Ever wondered what it feels like to drown? Why did god not just snap his fingers like Thanos? Doesn't that seem more moral? Were all the animals wicked too? So many questions, so little information in the bible
@@newglof9558 It is called an analogy. Maybe you heard of this concept to explain things by comparison. At least in the Marvel universe the people just vanished without having to suffer. So my point still stands. Strange you did not bother to address that part of my comment 🤔
@@woutermortier2771 comic book characters aren't analogous to real life. The best you could get is that they'd be comparable to mythological beings, which even the dumbest student of classical theism would recognize isn't what is meant by God. Your point not only doesn't stand, it doesn't even have the legs to do so. Also, appealing to a sense of misplaced compassion is what creeps in groomer tiktoks do. Try having an adult argument
@@ironymatt ugh, another groomer remark. The new buzz word it seems when facts fail. Analogies by definition do not need to be equivalent. You can compare apples and eggs, of airplanes and horses. It does not matter at all. Your god btw is mythology to all believers of other faiths and atheists alike. The other way around the same idea is valid. Same can not be said about your mix-up. Compassion is not what groomers do. Sorry to see you have no empathy for people before the flood. I wonder what they could have ever done to hurt an all powerfull god that was so all knowing he made them knowing they would end up in that exact situation. Better not have made them at all. Would have been more moral. Can you argue my reasoning in stead of ignoring the content of my message. Personal attacks are not moving anything forward. Calling people dumb or not an adult is just not productive and seems to be used to avoid to go to the core of what I say.
I've actually heard that a lot, that teachers don't want abortion as a debate topic. Ironically, what first educated me about abortion and got me interested in speaking out against it was a speech class I took. The topic specifically had to be a controversial topic and the topic I chose was abortion. My teacher had no issue with me giving a speech on that topic. In fact, the entire purpose was to talk about both sides of the issue in a way that was balanced so that no one listening could tell which side of the issue you came down on. That was in the early 2000's, though, so I guess things have changed.
@@IWasOnceAFetus Hi. I appreciate your support. Honestly, it was just really difficult to keep it up on a regular basis without the podcast pulling in any money. Eventually I had to put the podcast on hiatus so that I could find work to pay the bills (I'm a musician and writer, by trade). I do plan to bring it back at some point.
My high school government class didn't let us choose "high emotional" debate topics like abortion he said, only just because we were a bunch of high schoolers and in his past experience- it would always get the whole room worked out with lots of yelling and fighting and I think he just got tired of dealing with that lol
My community college did the same thing with banning paper topics. We weren't allowed to do 2nd amendment, abortion, and my teacher tried blocking my Legal Marijuana paper but I had good sources, so the teacher allowed it.
God does everything for the better of our souls to get us to heaven. We still have free will to choose what we want to do. The flood came because he wanted to show us how bad sin is and only with God can we overcome it and repent. ( I know in moments like this with pressure it can be hard to talk sometimes ). This man just seems to be trying to provoke him.
I would have dismissed that rude man too stating God is sovereign and he has the last word. He destroyed sinners not innocents. But I like Trent’s comments better 😅 God bless the man marching though he was brave and doing good to get out there and do God’s work God bless him and everyone out there marching 🙏🏼🕊️❤️🙏🏼
Trent, I would be really interested to hear your commentary on the recent video "Should abortion be allowed AFTER BIRTH?" on Peter Boghossian's TH-cam channel. It was a really interesting discussion.
@@Supernatural_technology_DNA Can’t tell if trolling or not. Tearing apart an unborn child is objectively barbaric. Poisoning an unborn child is objectively barbaric. Removing an unborn child from its mother’s womb is as barbaric as tearing a born child from her arms and leaving the child on the street side.
sorry strong and honestly man! i 'm not trolling. i was asked you the truth question. Imagine what I could do while I was inside the round egg. I can speak to my mother's body and I get inside. This is the ability of a superman. fertilized egg is me now. The fertilized egg has already found its way to the mother's abdomen, and inside to live inside the mother. A fetus knows what to do to become a human. the fertilized egg can talk to the mother's body, let the mother's body let it go inside to live in the mother's womb. since I was in my infancy I was able to: behave, talk mother's body, thought, feeling relatives and life around my mother... There are many events in your life that you have forgotten. You can't remember the feeling when you were in the womb because you let it into oblivion. If you want to remember everything, you need to practice awakening. ~~~~ I didn't have a body when I came into this world, my DNA already knew how to create the body I am now. The fertilized egg is the big bang For a human to enter the world. It was the beginning of a human's entry into the world. "Abortion" is the destruction of humanity in its infancy. This is the murder of an innocent unborn child. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime. ----- Each stage of my life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions. No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person. When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body. When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk. When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make. Humanity does not consider human consciousness to be a 1.3kg mass of bean pulp. A lot of bodies are full of brains, full of all strong body parts... But they have no emotions, no thoughts, especially they can't know how to eat by themselves. Humans still see them as people, humans see them as people who are suffering from injuries, incurable problems, needing help and needing treatment. That is human compassion and love. That is humanity. #### 100% no one birth without fertilized egg. Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective. >>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment. Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful. Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer.
i have something may be you want read. Big Bang ! How can the Big bang happen? The question is is it possible to create Cosmic from void? I will answer "yes": 100% possible. I will show you that Human DNA can achieve eternal life, humanity can create eternal world. ~~~~ human consciousness creates the formula: + simple: 1+2 =3. is this truth? + a bit more complicated, we have a circle: x^2+y^2=R^2. By consciousness, people also recognize the body including: + human Body= head (a) + chest (b) + abdomen (c) + legs (d). + Cosmic= sum of everything in Cosmic(a,b,c...w,y,z) So how to create Cosmic from void? Everyone knows that 1+2=3#0. This is not possible, can never be zero with this. But with the highest and strongest consciousness of the Creator, The creator found a solution: + very simple: 1+2-3=0. + More complex than the circle would be: x^2+y^2-R^2=0. * Thus, after 1 cycle of activity returns to 0, consciousness is born again. Your consciousness is created by the Creator. Consciousness of all living things in Cosmic. Human consciousness cannot exist in nothingness like the Creator. Now to human DNA: 0=total human DNA(a,b,c,d,e). Now to Cosmic, Just a very simple rule that is: Sum of Cosmic(light + dark)=0. Sum of Cosmic(matter + darkmatter)=0. Sum of Cosmic(1,2,3... a,b,c... w,y,z)=0. So in Cosmic there are men and women. you can only choose one woman for yourself. 1-1=0 is the best balance principle. * So you've got a way to create an infinitely expanding universe faster than the speed of light. That's how the creator created Cosmic from void. ~~~~ For the universe to be stable and good, the Creator created this principle: Sum of Cosmic(1,2,3... a,b,c... w,y,z)+equilibrium=0. you are clear all that, right. Darkness was born simultaneously during Cosmic creation. that why we have trouble with darkness. So we need to learn how to fight the darkness, fight the evil in Cosmic. This is also the reason why humans have to live in illusion universe to protect us from destruction. The universe we are observing is just an illusion. The earth is a school for all to learn to control themselves without harming others. Time to live on earth is not only doing good, useful to live. and get rid of bad deeds that are useless and harmful to others but also learning how to unlock to master Human DNA. The process of being born and dying is called recycling. Every time you are born and die, you lose the energy to live and return home. So try to play hard as you can to more progress, stronger your mind and ability your body. #### the question How could Jesus come back to life after being crucified? how possible human could come back to life after death? Nature also hides many secret treasures of life. Your DNA the most valuable gift, great gift in Cosmic that Creator give Human DNA has proven its ability to everyone that it can create a very beautiful and healthy body at the age of 18. do you remember about your body when you at 18s? Your DNA created your body at 18s, right. a very beautiful, strong and healthy body at the age of 18s. this is real. After Human DNA creates a good and healthy human body, it goes to sleep. All Human need is to learn how to awaken your own Human DNA. Your DNA is Cosmic's greatest technology and Cosmic's most powerful weapon. Human DNA has the source code to distinguish right from wrong and recognize and fight darkness and evil. The human heart also has the source code of compassion and love without lie that leads to the source of true happiness forever. Human's fingerprint is a seal that the Creator has reserved for each person. But Cosmic's greatest gift is only for those who deserve it. So what are you waiting for? Find out and learn to unlock your own DNA. Once you unlock your DNA, you can return home to see the Creator. @@@@ When you fail to master your DNA. You will die. if your mind is so weak that you cannot control your physical body. You will become a plant person. But if your mind is strong enough. You can go into your DNA to create any body type you want. Right now you are in there 1.3kg of bean pulp called brain. If your mind is strong enough to bring your consciousness into your DNA. Well, you'll have a big bang in your head. it's a super cool feeling, You will live forever. @@@@ activate Human DNA to put your consciousness to higher dimension of Cosmic: the principle to put consciousness to DNA? In order to have a child, a man and a woman must find each other to activate the birthing process. Putting human consciousness into DNA is similar, just finding it back to nature to activate the DNA unlocking process. the principle to put consciousness to DNA is you are find back to nature to activate the DNA unlocking process are follow: >> ways to start strengthening your mind 1. let's start clapping. to dispel worries in life. Inhale slowly, then pause for 5 seconds and exhale slowly. 2. Wake up early at 4 am, listen to soothing music, listen to birds singing. Listen to this song. 3. Erase bad thoughts in your head, low thoughts, guilty thoughts. Clear your mind of thinking only what you want to do. you need pray with Creator to He will help you get rid bad thoughts in your head. 4. Take a cold shower when you wake up in 30s. you wake up, listen 2 songs then cold shower. >> find back to nature: 1. There are enough waves in the sky to help activate your DNA, so you need to sleep outside more. Like sleeping on the terrace. Concrete walls and iron roofs block the waves that activate your DNA. 2. Walking barefoot on the ground also helps you in activating Human DNA. Walking slowly in the rain with bare feet, Listening to the rain falling, watching raindrops falling, watching thunder are very effective ways to activate DNA. 3. Listen to the birdsong, the stream flowing, the wind blowing, watch the clouds fly in the sky. Just listen and look, try to get rid of all thoughts in your head. When you have thoughts in your head, let's redirect the mind focus by look to the images you are seeing in the sky or listening to music. 4. Pay special attention to the sun's X flare emission. This is a very powerful way of activating DNA. Can you use the camera in your smartphone to check if the sun has an X flare? If you see the ray flare sun shining, 2 or more on your smartphone, then go outside and stand in the sun for about an hour.
@Excuse me but Yet Mary also knew she would see Him again in Heaven, having been born without sin by the grace extended to her from the sacrifice God Himself was willing to give to show how much He loved us, and how far He would go for our redemption. God also abhorred human sacrifice (see old testament); he gave Himself as a sacrifice, at His pleasure, because He had the authority, and because it was good. Because God is all good he exemplifies what is all good, ie self-sacrifice; "No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends." He died upon the cross, descended into Hell, beat down the Gates of Hell, defeated Death, rose again, and assumed Body and Spirit into heaven. He also granted his mother the right to assume, body and spirit, into Heaven to sit as the Queen of Heaven, or the Queen Mother of the King (see old testament), that she may bask in the eternal love and glory of her son. Does that sound worthy of worldly suffering?
12:43 Re: whether fetuses are human b/c of mortality rates I would go a different route: ALL humanity has a 100 PERCENT mortality rate. Fetuses die. But so does every human being. You can make it to 100 years and you will still die. Dying doesn’t make you non-human, it’s an essential feature of humanity in our fallen state.
My concise response is: "Well that was judgement for sins. God is pro capital punishment too. Tell me what sins unborn babies have committed? None? So like Noah they get to live."
I’m confused: is about an absolut moral standard on how to judge certain actions or a matter of who does it? You seem to imply the later. How then can we point to God as the standard for what is moral if it doesn’t apply to him? This seems rather arbitrary to me.
@ 8:57 If you say we cannot kill people like God kills people, then how about this case, there is a killer that has a gun and wants to kill an innocent child while you were there, the only one who can protect the child through this one and only way, by killing the killer. Will you not kill the killer to save an innocent life? @ 9:05 - 10:08 - 10:37 I think I can accept this as the answer for the question above.
It is my understanding that our resurrected body in heaven will be supernatural. It will have some of the same abilities as the resurrected body of Jesus. Being able to pass through walls and to move at the speed of thought etc... I once heard from a priest that we were going to replace the angels or maybe do their job. This makes sense for me because it seems God could have us in heaven without these supernatural powers. He would be giving us these upgrades or superpowers for a purpose. For a future work for his glory . To equip us to do our Future jobs / vocations. If we were meant just to be couch or cloud potatoes . We wouldn't need the extra gift's and abilities.. I would like you to comment on what saints have said about this subject and your own thoughts.
10:50 I've really gotta disagree with this methodology. The whole point of their argument isn't "Killing is wrong, God kills, therefor God is bad" but "God is good, God is pro-choice, therefor pro-choice is good"- It's not a contradiction to the abortionist argument to say "Well what if God plays by your rules instead?", that's EXACTLY what they want you to say
@@stcolreplover I agree, it very easily turns into a race to the bottom. In Trent's defense I think he intended for such a strategy only where the prochoicer genuinely had a blind rage against their idea of a "sociopathic god", rather than the more likely case of a fedora-tipping zealot trying to win arguments.
evil alien can lie, hide, distortion... they have come to earth. I will show you how human catch crime coming to light. they are proof for The evil alien is always hiding and lurking to harm human: seducing, lying, controlling, trapping, sarcasm, ridicule, judgment... but any killer has a way of coming to light. Mankind's police investigation is based on: words, actions, fingerprints on the scene, wicked time at places near the scene... to prove the crimes committed by the wicked. The police don't read the bible, the Quran, buddha, or watch youtube... as evidence. >*>*The criminal cannot use the excuse that the Bible says murder to deny guilt. so The sophistry, falsehood, brutality of plotting to kill the unborn children of mankind is proof the crimes committed by the wicked (evil alien on earth). all their word and act will be proof for them crimes. evil all have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children, you want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity. What could be easier than humanity killing its own future? That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete. a perfect plan to xdes troy humanity. all is prove for the crimes committed. >>>>Abortion is the murder of innocent unborn babies of humanity to waive responsibility. The act of tearing unborn children to pieces. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime. because fertilized egg are me now. are you was born without fertilized egg? of course not. 100% no one birth without fertilized egg. Each stage of human life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions. No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person. When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body. When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk. When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make. Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective. >>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment. Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful. Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer. Cosmic have 4th, 5th... dimensions. Even if evil alien delete their account, they won't get rid of it they will need punished soon.
Look at the original state of humans in which God designed us... humans were immortal. There was no death or slavery. It is only after the corruption of sin entered that death also entered. Since God is a just judge, God cannot ignore or sweep evil under the carpet. And that is where God's love comes into the picture and you see God coming into human form and taking the punishment of sin for us. (God is light and cannot ignore the darkness of sin and God is love and couldn't leave us doomed in sin).
Most defenders of abortion are having to defend their position for the first time in years. They've had the privilege of being lazy with their arguments for the past few decades. Now they know they need to work out their position. So many will turn to actual arguments for the first time in their lives.
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤😊❤
Imagine people passionately defending things in Harry Potter as if magic and Hogward were real. They would look crazy.... Well, religious people look the same to me. Why on Earth I should believe in some fantasy book (and a boring one) with a shitty sky daddy as a main character???
So Trent’s entire argument is the special pleading fallacy. Murdering babies is atrociously evil……unless it’s god doing it. Then it’s perfectly fine and just. Barring the fact that’s a text-book fallacy, in order for that argument to work, you’d have to somehow prove the underlying premise that god is perfect loving and just by nature. If he’s out there killing babies in floods, children by bears, and first-born sons via the angel of death (among several other genocidal acts against innocent human beings), I’d argue that directly cuts against any argument that this god is anywhere close to moral perfection.
@@chezjowy8596 “god doing it” looks like, as one prime example, god killing every human being on the planet by flooding the earth save for Noah and his family. Countless innocent men, women, children, and babies both born and unborn all killed by the flood god himself sent.
It's not special pleading when you're dealing with someone or something that's categorically special, such as in this case - God. I thought this was something that's taken for granted among people who understood logic and philosophy.
@@fuzzywuzzy1355 the earth was corrupted enough for God to desire it to be cleansed, we know that on occasion God wills the destruction of the 'innocent', as we also see in other parts of genesis. This morality is consistent with divine love due to the properties of eternity.
God flooded the earth because of the depravity among the humans during that time. God struck down Sodom for the same reason. They all 100% deserved the punishment.
Incorrect. The passage in Numbers is NOT just a jealousy test given to ancient Israelites. The jealousy aspect is simply suspicion - the means by which the woman who HAS had sexual relations with another man, but has not been caught, ends up being tested. …and yes, God is the one who told Moses to tell the Israelites to do this, …and yes, verse 21 clearly states, “may ‘the LORD’ cause you to become curse among your people when ‘he’ makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. …and yes, in verse 28 it clearly states, “If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and ‘will be able to have CHILDREN’.” So, yes it was talking about children. …and yes, God was the one who commanded Moses to give the message to the Israelites and God was the one who made the women who had sex with other men miscarry. The excuse that THIS message and rule was only for ancient Israelites is the same excuse that can be used for the entire Old Testament and the Gospels, for YAHWEH is the God of the people of Israel and THEY should not worship any other god but him, for HE is a jealous god who’s punishment for disobedience includes “cursing the fruit of THEIR womb”. (Deuteronomy 28:18,53) So much the sanctity of life.
Disclaimer: I dislike abortion and want to see it significantly restricted. So I'm not on the "pro-choice" side of the fence. However I often wonder why, if God is, as it is claimed, pro-life, even to the extent of forbidding artificial birth control, he allows and arguably causes literally millions upon millions of "natural" miscarriages in the early stages of pregnancy, year upon year, and throughout the entire world. This doesn't seem to be the intention of someone who is "pro-life", but rather of someone who couldn't care less.
It's not that God's pro-life, it's that he's the author of life. As Trent says, that's why he has absolute authority over life, and, crucially, we don't. The pains and struggles endured throughout our lives have to be reckoned with, but in worshipping the one true God who suffered and died for us that we may have eternal life in the fullest, the one thing that's abundantly clear is that he isn't some deity that couldn't care less. If he was he wouldn't have permitted Christ to suffer so much as a paper cut.
@@ironymatt So billions of babies die in early pregnancy, not from abortion but from what in old legal parlance would, ironically, be termed "acts of God" but you remain convinced that God is goodness itself, and that he died in order to give us "..eternal life in the fullest.." That's quite a leap of faith, one I'm certainly unable to make myself.
Not paganism, something far more insidious. Pagans never denied virtue or truth, they certainly weren't perfect in their understanding of them, but they still believed. This is the product of a different ideology.
lol, and christianity isn't just another cult religion? from where i stand you're just as into wizardry as any other voodoo practice, take a step back and tell me what he difference is between christianity and voodoo? both based on sacrifice for a start.
I wonder how many people they had to ask before finding the deer-in-headlights person. The person asking the question knew exactly what they were doing. But that's why Trent is absolutely right that you have to be really careful with your message and know how to defend it before marching.
Excellent point. The saturation of social media - and the corresponding ability to edit, manipulate and distort a situation for the means of furthering a particular agenda - has to always be considered.
exactly - they probably got blown out by multiple people before finding the one person who wouldn't engage, which optically looks the best for their side (hence why they posted it)
yes you need to make sure you can rebut any tricky questions before engaging with anyone likely to point out how shaky religion is. xianity for instance boils down to a bloke having a hallucination another dead bloke wasn't dead. strange idea to base a religion on, dead people and sacrificed people.
god's probably killed more people than anyone else. even satan only killed 10 people, and five of those were cos of a bet with god. i actually think satan is the good guy, we only god's word for it that he's up to no good.
I'm sick of having to "explain" basic morality to people. I feel like I'm arguing with psychopaths every time I have to explain pro life views. I t alway comes down to "define what is goodness" . I'm not Aristotle. If you don't know why baby killing is wrong you should probably be on a mental hospital.
A 12 year old isn’t mature enough to choose the gender they identify with but is mature enough to give birth to their rapist’s baby? Anyways, nowhere in the Bible does it say life begins at conception. And given how evangelicals vote to prevent abortion and defund any services to help raise the child, they aren’t pro-life, they are pro-embryo. Once the baby is out they tell the mother to kick rocks and figure out how to raise them on their own. Would your God send the unborn to heaven or hell? Would a loving God send them to Hell? If Heaven, wouldn’t you want loads of abortions?
I'd just like to point out the neat little coincidence that you quoted a passage from the Catechism (271) on the same day it's in the Catechism in a Year w/ Fr. Schmitz reading. It just tickled me that I read it this morning and it comes back in your video hours later and I thought to myself, "That sounded familiar!". Thanks for all that you do, I really enjoy the content!
@@wms72 ain't that nice? to never again punish the people he created (God loves all his children) knowing they would be evil and subsequently hardened their hearts so they would become evil.
@antpassalacqua said :“didn’t God kill everyone on Earth” such a stupid objection, there’s no other word for it, God decides in his providence when everyone dies" my answer: >>>>i don't see you read books, right. i don't care what books you was read, right. all thing i see on here are you said. All thing you said are thinking in your mind speak out. if you mind isn't mastermind all that things then no word on here, right. so don't lie any more. you have any proof for God did all thing you said? can you point out the proof for God did all thing you said? did you seen God? why you against God? What enmity do you have with God? #### next: The temple of God is in everyone's heart. Not a stone temple. nor in religious books. If you cut open your chest to look inside a 0.5kg heart, you would only find 0.5kg of spoiled meat. The heart is the safest place for people. The heart lies deep within the human DNA. Dig deep inside of you to touch the heart in your DNA. everything is available inside you find God inside yourself. you need to practice awakening to wake up your DNA. Those who work for money, for fame and fortune, are serving the devil. Humanity does not need to obey or respect any pope or a priest. Because they are not people of God. They teach you idolatry and ritual dogmas. The vatican has corrected God's commandments and made you obey their commandments. they against God. you and them against God. you are mastermind kill unborn babies of humanity with reason that in the book write about kill human. you and them have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children, you want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity. What could be easier than humanity killing its own future? That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete. a perfect plan to xdes xtroy humanity. now I need you strong to answer honestly. Do you feel barbaric to tear innocent unborn children to pieces? Why do you want to xdes xtroy the future of humanity?
My Comp II professor said the same thing. Granted, he did say we could do abortion as our topic but he strongly advised us not to. So, naturally, I chose to write on why practicing chastity is so important. I got graded a 100%.
Had a friend who was doing a research paper on abortion and why it was terrible. Her professor admitted he was pro-choice and told her he would grade harshly on it, and encouraged her to pick something else. She held firm at first, started doubting in the middle, but we all told her not to let him stop her and finish the paper anyway. Think she got a C or very very low B on it, but we all agreed she did nothing wrong in picking the topic she wanted and he was very unprofessional through the whole thing.
@@vaughanlloydjones3884 we told her that and she agrees. But he's tenured and since it was only a basic class, he's not part of her major track, and she passed the class with a decent grade anyway, she won't pursue it. She's going in for education, so she'll end up with a mix of professors across the spectrums. From what other education majors say, most of those professors just focus on the material and not anything outside of that, so hopefully she won't have such a jerk moving forward.
I teach comp 2, and there are several topics I don’t let my students write about: abortion, euthanasia, immigration, taxation… The biggest reason has to do with how difficult it is for both the student and the greater to be unbiased. It’s also hard for students to really understand how they should do research: form your opinions based on your research, instead of looking for sources to back your side.
@@rebeccabaumgarten7573isn't that the point of grading them? If they approach the topic in a biased way with supportive arguments and evidence, then that seems like a justifiable reason to grade them more harshly. If they pick a difficult topic and argue for it in an effective manner, then why not allow it?
The first step to stopping a troll is identifying the troll. In the case of the man marching with the sign, he assumed that the man asking him about his sign was acting in good faith. I don't fault him for that as it showed his heart was charitably disposed, but it's a bit of a red flag when the interlocutor repeats the clear statement (God is pro-life) back to him asking what it means. Someone who believes the same as the marcher wouldn't have been likely to lead with a question implying a lack of understanding for such a straightforward phrase. When we put ourselves on the front lines, we need to be cognizant that doing so will bring detractors, and in the debates regarding matters of human life and sanctity such detractors prioritize their own autonomy, perspectives and desires above the sanctity of life. Ergo, they're not going to play nice, and accordingly we've got to be prepared for it. Be not deceived, as Christ instructed, so to that end it pays to know thy enemy.
Wooow!!! I had to pause, I freaked out. You told the age of your kids and I thought "oh they are the same age as my 3 kids" then you said your older one has a right to do things but not others and I'm like "oh it's exactly what I do too" and then you say "Matthew" and I'm like WHAT, my older son is also named Matthew. For a second it felt like you were talking about my kids. 😵😂😂
My first thought when that guy asked "didn't God Kill everyone?" is "Don't judges sentence people to death?"There is a difference when God chooses to judge His Creation, and we as humans killing other humans because we are inconvienced by them.
@AWOKEN Catholic Judges issue out the sentencing based on the recommendations of the jury, a judge can lower a sentence to life if they deem fit, so judges have to agree with the juries recommendation and then issue out the sentence, but either way my point is that God killed all with the flood as judgement, which is very different then abortion which is the unjustified killing of human life.
The audio version of this episode on Spotify was incorrectly posted. It's under episode #711 "Protestants Should Believe in this Catholic Doctrine on Sin".
@@mattjackson450 long story I will try to make short. One of the biggest movers was studying skepticism and then male-female relationships. There also played a part of my psychology, but I didn't think the moral argument was good. I didn't see what's wrong with saying morality is just s biproduct of bio-social product. I also wondered why would God use a process like evolution to create life. A lot of arguments for type of theistic personalist God rely more on understanding science so I couldn't use kalam and fine tuning with much certainty because I hear conflicting views and I don't know which is right. I thought that Thomistic arguments that prove God of classical theism are great because they deduce God, but I realized they also have objections that I don't have an answer to, but even if accept stage 1, why would we accept stage 2? Oppy's simplicity of naturalism makes me doubt that God is the necessary being or first mover. In general, when I see certain practices in church by believers or hear how they talk it seems more like they are trying to cope or that they are blinded (I don't know how else to put it). I'm not an agnostic and I'm not a religious Christian so it's fair to say I'm deconstructing or doubting because I can see both sides. I sometimes lean to one and sometimes to the other side. I don't know if that's what you've meant.
@@eugengolubic2186 Hey Eugen I would suggest praying. At the end of the day skepticism cannot prove or disprove God. So be careful trying to get answers from people who admit they don’t have them and can’t ever. If you want to know if Jesus is real you have to ask him, pray for him to show you him (humbly ofc) be honest with God about what you’re going through. Tell him that you’re lost and you don’t know what to think. That’s what I did and he did it for me. I used to be on the fence and then God showed me who he was. Long story short, he’s very real and beautiful! And the Gospel becomes even more amazing when you know it’s real, for yourself, not because mom or dad or some random person on TH-cam tells you. I would also be weary that you might be projecting on those Christians you mentioned. Unless you know for sure that all Christians you’re encountering are using God to cope, you’re just interpreting their actions from your own lens and your own views on life, but not theirs. Anyway, praying for you! May God reveal himself to you like he has to me. When he reveals himself to you you’ll be able to rebuild on the rock. Not the sand that you’re on now. Be blessed! Keep knocking and he will answer. (But knock on God’s door not TH-cam door. You know?)
@eugengolubic2186 said :"I also wondered why would God use a process like evolution to create life" my answer: that's your lie. can you point out the point evolution in Cosmic? How your body grow up? can you point out the point evolution in your body grow up? is your body grow up random selection? may I ask you this: did your parents give birth to you better or an ape gave birth to you better. This is the thinking of a snake biting its tail that make a vicious circle to bury the human mind. It's the tactic snake's biting its tail to bury the human mind. When a snake bites its tail, the head becomes a tail, and the tail becomes a head. That is the tactic of wicked, evil alien want to xdes troy humanity. you all are snakes, a vile, wild, brutal invaders also known as evil aliens include: Falsehood weak like evil, devil strong, illuminati capable of sight, and Fallen hypocrite. Aliens are A species that likes to hybridize with animals.
Dear Trent, I heartedly agree with all you said in this video, but another way of rebutting them comes from understanding two simple things: First, what the Pro-life movement actually stands for [it stands against *the vile act of murdering innocent human life* , hence a sin]; and, second, the original Hebrew verb context for the 5th commandment [which we simply translate as "you shall not kill"], where is not the act of killing itself what is wrong or sinful, but the justification behind it is what dictates if it is a sin or not. Therefore, given proper context, is not wrong for God to have purged the human race in Noah's story, on the contrary is a very just act. Yet, God purging evil doesn't change the fact He is in favor of protecting innocent life. TL;DR: God is Pro-life and He also purged evil and wickedness in Noah's story, and those two statements are in perfect harmony. Claiming that one of them should neutralize the other is a "false dilemma" fallacy.
As a college writing professor, the reason we don’t let our students write about abortion (as well as other hot button topics) is because 1. No matter their position, doing research won’t change it, so they’re not really learning how research is supposed to work: you form your opinions based on your observations, rather than looking for sources to back you up 2. It’s hard for us as professors to be impartial graders, since we have our own opinions. 3. It’s a topic highly susceptible to logical fallacies. 4. It’s exhausting to read a bunch of 18 to 20 year olds (in other words, usually not fantastic writers), talk about the same hot button issue.
We have a problem with our educational system when debate is restricted. Something clearly occurred when our colleges became high schools and high schools, in worse circumstances, elementary schools. It's a terrible case of education inflation whereby the education's quality has deflated in merit and value. And it surely doesn't help with the weighted GPA. I do concur with your reasoning; our children, especially after the lockdowns, have weaker cognitive ability. Something has to be done with our primary schooling so we can go back to the classical collegiate center of learning. I can argue for less public sector unions, less administration, less PTO, and removal of the US Department of Education. Yet, the quality of learning needs to start at home and, if prudence permits, the neighborhood cul de sack/block. Innocence over ignorance. Let the children know about life, not let them be shocked by it.
1-4 hold for any issue under the sun. And good grief, if you think "professional" researchers aren't motivated to justify positions they already hold rather than impartially following the path of reason wherever it may lead, you must be really new at this, lol.
@@danieltemelkovski9828 I’m well aware of rampant bias and dishonesty among scholarship; reading scholarship is part of my job. It’s also part of my job while teaching comp 2 to teach the basics of research. That’s extremely difficult to do when it comes to hot button topics flooded with mudslinging, propaganda, and generally bad writing and argumentation, because everyone is throwing their hat in the arena (justifiably). I do give an assignment where students have to find five recent news articles, one for each category of claim. Those articles can be about anything they want, including the topics I’m not letting them write about on their major paper.
@@AJKPenguin I teach comp 2. That’s basic argumentation. We are identifying fallacies, keeping our appeals straight (the ones with Greek names), finding recent news articles (on any topics they want), and determining which category of claim they fall under, etc. I also have them read Plato, Orwell, and Jonathan Swift. Fact of the matter is that teaching the basics of argumentation is much more effective when the topics aren’t liable to make everyone’s blood boil, regardless of the intelligence level that supposedly accompanies certain generations. If I were teaching a 300 or 400 level class, it would be different. Besides, every prompt has to have parameters-that’s the definition of a prompt. I’m having my students pick a topic under debate within their own major. That’s hardly silencing debate. I’m deliberately sending them out into the current conversations within their fields.
Hey Trent . Wondering if you have seen Pastor Jeff Durbin’s apologetics outside of abortion mills and what you think of his approach as well as the abolition movement generally as contrasted to the pro-life movement. I am an abolitionist myself.
The gotcha question is just the same old question from Lucifer rephrased. Did God say you couldn’t do such and such? Or, didn’t God do such and such? (Which is ultimately justification for Non Serviam, “I will not serve”) And the same response applies Yes, but “Mikha'el”- who is like God? St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle.
I heard he told that Abraham fella to plunge a knife into his little boy….. At the last minute, he said “PSYCH! I was only kidding!”…. but what if he hadn’t 😬
To that objection, I always say the same thing: read the Bible in literary and historical context. This means that God didn't kill anyone, but those things were projected onto Him by the authors due to a lack of understanding of God's loving nature. So, I disagree with you on that because the very notion of destruction is against the nature of God, and He can't act contrary to it.
2:23 Q: Didn't God also warn humans years ahead of time about the flood? A: Yes Q: Didn't God also allow a way of escape to be prepared? A: Yes Q: Didn't God also list multiple reasons WHY he sent a flood? A: Yes (Funny how the questioner dishonestly ignores those pesky little details).
This is why you have to be very careful and prepared (and ask people why they are asking certain questions before trying to answer them). Not all skeptics are very interested in the truth. Some only want to make you look foolish (which in this case was mostly the fault of the person being asked) and have little genuine curiosity for the truth on certain topics.
I think Trent misses the mark with treating Street Trolls. The best response is to out troll them. “Yes God cleansed the evil from the world like Trolls and Journalists 😊”
Even without the trolling angle, my first thought was "God only kills the wicked. God has perfect knowledge to know who is truly wicked. Babies are never truly wicked."
@@Joker22593 again your not going to debonk a street troll in real time. So the first thought “God punishes the wicked” is based, should be said, and let the leftist troll wail and gnash his teeth.
@Joker22593 I agree with the general sentiment - God doesn't arbitrarily punish the innocent - but that argument immediately opens you to the retort "Wouldn't a global flood wipe out a ton of babies?" So if you don't have a response to that, the troll will have another "gotcha" video to post on his channel.
I don't think God wants women to have abortions whether they are "legal" or not. Neither should we. Nonetheless, God grants us free will. Don't make an idol out of the legal status of abortion. It's counterproductive.
People are happy when abortion is illegal because it will drastically reduce abortion rates as many women do not want to face prison or large fines for their actions. I don't think many (if any) are under the belief that making it illegal will totally eradicate the action. It just puts a physical consequence with the action and will prevent many abortions from taking place. In the same way murder decreases, but is never zero, when it is illegal.
@@Catholicsquirrel Clearly a lot of people are not happy when abortion is illegal. And nobody proposes penalties for the women who seek out abortions. Do you recall the debacle DJT stepped into when he proposed that? This obsession over the legal status of abortion leads otherwise "orthodox" Catholics to put their full and public support behind a wanton adulterer to be the leader of the free world and example to millions of children of how they should live their lives. People who vote for Trump because they are "prolife" are clearly pro-choice when the sin comes to adultery. The hypocrisy is rife.
@@es8059 I don't know a single person that is pro-life who is not happy over abortion being illegal. I certainly support penalties for women that seek to and kill their children. Not sure how Trump came into this at all, and I don't recommend it. You're trying to argue two different moral points and conflate them as one. Not sure what you mean when you say, "People who vote for Trump because they are "prolife" are clearly pro-choice when the sin comes to adultery."
@@Catholicsquirrel Tbh, I don't care if abortion is made illegal. It won't affect me in the least. If it reduces the number of abortions, fine. But we should be consistent. Adultery destroys families. We should also be for criminalizing it. And then candidates like Donald Trump (touted for his prolife stances) would be a multiple felon and not eligible to be president. Be consistent is all I'm saying.
@@es8059 I think a nonchalant attitude towards the legality of abortion is missing the point. It's like being begrudgingly pro-life and not understanding the magnitude of abortion. Adultery does destroy families. I would be all for criminalizing it. However, in a secular state, which the US is, the government shouldn't have that much power. It's one of many reasons that classical liberalism isn't a natural conclusion of the Catholic Church. Although adultery does destroy families and is gravely immoral, I don't think it's fair to equate infidelity and murder. In fact, the reason that Moses allowed the Israelites to divorce one another in the OT is because they were choosing to murder their spouse in order to nullify their marriage covenant. So, we can very clearly see that although God hold adultery to be gravely immoral, it is not *as* grave as murder. Similarly, in all reality, *most* politicians shouldn't be able to run for office. Almost all of them have committed mortal sins and been unrepentant. Very few, if any are actually striving for virtue.
*Abortion will never be truly abolished as long as society continues to tolerate any form of artificial contraception and the contraceptive mentality in general. After all, abortion is the inevitable backup when those fail.* *Down with incrementalism! Screw 14A jurisprudence! Hooray for subsidiarity, 10A, and **_Dobbs v. Jackson!_*
I concur, however 14th Amendment jurisprudence has its place; it ought to be applied to promote and preserve life. Without life, no liberty. Without authentic liberty. . .not to be confused with license. . .no life.
He interviewed a Catholic priest one time about all the people killed at the time of the flood and the priest had no response. It's amazing people don't have responses for the is stuff. Honestly the old testament is the best charitable explanation for sympathy towards pro abortion advocates. God allowed people to be wiped out all the time rather than experience mortality raised as heathens. The difference is He gets to make the call...not us.
I can understand rebutting lame channels like The Young Turks, but tiktok trolls aren't even worthy of a video. All they do is ask stupid or unprepared people gotcha questions rather than arguing in good faith. It's useless to people of both parties, but the interviewer usually benefits from it more than the interviewed because they are the ones who had more preparation and can chose who to interview to make one side look better/worse.
It's always ironic that these very people who claim that God is mean for chastising people will also advocating fiercely for a mother's "right" to kill her own kid!
When I ask forced-birthers if they think women should get the death penalty or life in prison for abortion (like they would if they murdered a real person)…. They start stammering and stuttering like a jackhammer!….. Almost none of them give me a straight answer……
I mean to take the argument further, God killed every person who ever lived because we all die someday. But why? This is a consequence of the fall. Death was not part of God's plan, it's a consequence of our choice to sin. That's also why all of the people died in the flood. As a consequence of sin. God created a logical universe with consequences for actions. He doesn't relish in our death but wants us to live with him forever. So yes he is pro life
That can be a useful shorthand way to look at it, but it also creates a problem, so you have to be careful. It was God himself who decided that death must be the consequence for sin. He could have chosen some other consequence - he's God, he can choose anything - so given that he chose death to be the consequence, it seems that death actually was part of his plan.
Around 11:22 you have undermined your own argument and confirmed that God is NOT pro life. So spell it out: God is an authoritarian dictator who does things as he pleases to and does not care much about morality. Gift of life. Your analogy is at least weird. $20 per day... Creating life is making ourselves responsible for that life. It doesn't matter if we are "just reproducing" something what was created by God. Logically it's the same thing. If you gave the life to your children, you provide them with food, shelter and clothing every single day. Would it be moral if you had stopped of doing so and make your children suffer or even die from starvation? No one with the right mind would call you a moral parent. You'd be labeled as a cruel, unjust and *abusive parent.* If God can do it then you have to provide justification for it. Otherwise it's just a fallacious special pleading argument.
Didn't God kill everyone on Earth? Yes he did! God is infinitely wise, he can take such a action. We are fallible and limited we don't get to make this kind of choices about who lives and dies. We are not God to decide who lives and who dies.
The pro-choice retort in this case wasn't to defend the pro-choicer's belief about God, though. It was to make the pro-life sign seem internally inconsistent. I think it's better to make the pro-life arguments independent of religious arguments. Killing an innocent human is wrong for everyone, not just those who follow a certain faith.
I’m still confused on the authority part. I understand that all have sinned and that life is a grace given by God, but that he is justified in taking it away because our original sin does not merit that right of life. However could not an argument be made that I can kill anyone I want because the person being killed has original sin just like how God kills? A rebuttal to this that I can think of is that all humans are already guilty and thus have absolutely no rights whatsoever except what is provided by the creator as a gift/grace. So would I be correct in saying that human rights flow from Grace?
Trent, in the case of identical twinning, still the 2nd (temporally speaking) of the twins begins his life at the moment of conception of its cell replication from the 1st twin. So I disagree with you - even in the case of identical twins life begins at conception.
Idk about y’all but when I draw a picture and it turns out to be horrible I throw it away because it’s trash. I have rights over my picture because I created it. God is the only one who has rights over us, his creation.
See now that I, I alone, am he, and there is no god besides me. It is I who bring both death and life, I who inflict wounds and heal them, and from my hand no one can deliver. - Deuteronomy 32:39
@ 8:34 But if that's the case, then why is it that there is the "human rights for life", will it not destroy the idea of this fundamental right of human for life if we will say that we don't have the right for the life that we had right now?
If you’ve read even a little bit of the Bible, you’d know God is not pro life unless you’re just going to make a bunch of stuff up and ignore everything else.
If you look at the original state of man (in what was called the garden of Eden) humans were immortal. There was no death. Only after disobedience to God was committed, did death enter. So, I'd say that God is pro-life but death entered due to the actions of humans. The guy in the video who asked the Q (TheGoodLiars) also conveniently ignores the reasons why a great flood was sent (a flood that God warned humans ahead of time about and also prepared away of escape).
@@switzerlandful That seems like special pleading. And certainly seems outside of what scripture teaches. There are tens of millions of miscarriages every year. There are millions more killed by mosquitoes. Children die of cancer every day. None of these things happened because of sin.
@@ifeelfine72 You still seem to be ignoring the fact that none of that existed in God's original design. If you're going to ask if the God of the Judeo/Christian Bible is a pro-life God, you at least have acknowledge the original state in which God designed things as described in the Biblical narrative. God's plan was not for death to exist originally otherwise God would have happinly included it as a common thing in the Garden of Eden.
@@ifeelfine72 Later in the Biblical narrative, you also have the God of the Judeo/Christian Bible coming down to Earth in human form, suffering for the sins of many, giving up His own life, and then rising from the dead three days later (and by doing so breaks the power of death and defeats it) so that others can have eternal life. In 1st Corinthians 15: 26 it even says that *"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."* (Jesus Christ, who is God in flesh, destroys death which would indicate He is a pro-life God or a God of Life).
Not going to lie, I actually found his videos pretty entertaining. 😂 the people really surprise me with their thinking. Heart is right, mind, not so sure.
@@kajadaw4313 but that does not answer the question. Is God goodness because it is good or did God choose the goodness because He recognized it as good? Is God wholly dependent upon those properties that make up the divine nature, or did He choose them? IS God a property? If so, then how is He also a person with divine attributes: omniscience, omnipotent, free-will, etc.
Lol, we were tasked to work on a semester-long research paper in my English Comp II class, and I immediately asked if I could do abortion. The professor told me no, and we fought it out. In the end, it was made clear to me that there would be some academic danger in doing so. So I ended up choosing something far more “palatable.” Watching this makes me wish I’d done abortion (from the pro-life position) just to spite the professor lol
I had a government teacher in college who let me write a paper on abortion. He was pro-choice, and I wrote a 20 page pro-life paper, but he still gave me an A.
lots of people can be wrong, not just you.
This is the reality in the world we live in.
There are cruel, false species invading the worlds here.
They are spreading fear and weakness to you.
They have ways of scaring and tiring people like wolves.
They have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children,
they want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity.
What could be easier than humanity killing its own future?
That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete.
a perfect plan to destroy humanity.
like All serial killers have good reasons for killing people.
and All roe v wade excuses are to mass kill innocent unborn children.
reason: the fetus is a tree without a brain... to kill unborn children.
my answer:
Imagine what I could do while I was inside the round egg. I can speak to my mother's body and I get inside. This is the ability of a superman.
fertilized egg is me now.
The fertilized egg has already found its way to the mother's abdomen, and inside to live inside the mother.
A fetus knows what to do to become a human.
the fertilized egg can talk to the mother's body, let the mother's body let it go inside to live in the mother's womb.
since I was in my infancy I was able to: behave, talk mother's body, thought, feeling relatives and life around my mother...
There are many events in your life that you have forgotten.
You can't remember the feeling when you were in the womb because you let it into oblivion.
If you want to remember everything, you need to practice awakening.
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I didn't have a body when I came into this world, my DNA already knew how to create the body I am now.
The fertilized egg is the big bang For a human to enter the world. It was the beginning of a human's entry into the world.
"Abortion" is the destruction of humanity in its infancy.
This is the murder of an innocent unborn child. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime.
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Each stage of my life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions. No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person.
When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body.
When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk.
When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make.
>>>>today:
Humanity does not consider human consciousness to be a 1.3kg mass of bean pulp.
A lot of bodies are full of brains, full of all strong body parts... But they have no emotions, no thoughts, especially they can't know how to eat by themselves.
Humans still see them as people, humans see them as people who are suffering from injuries, incurable problems, needing help and needing treatment.
That is human compassion and love.
That is humanity.
Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective.
>>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment.
Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful.
Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer.
also need punished wicked mastermind kill unborn babies of humanity.
thank you!
Thats a rare thing it seems
@@HarryNicNicholas weird response
That's a 1 in a million professors based on the ones I've met and seen
“His universe, His choice.”
I’m definitely using this at some point.
Please don’t
@@stcolreploveras a cheeky quip? You cannot possibly have a legitimate problem with that.
@@TheCrusaderPub I think it much better to say Based tradition sayings that trigger the left than “winning leftists at their own game” (your losing). So for example “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away”.
What about the 10-15% spontaneous miscarriages overall. Is that god making a choice?
@@woutermortier2771 Do you know what God’s Permissive Will is?
I had a professor give a similar “no-abortion-speech rule”. But I wasn’t just abortion, it was a number of hot politically divisive issues at the time. She said she did it because she used to have several people choose identical topics, and it also lead to arguments that were way too heated.
I teach comp 2, and I have the same rule for the same reason
Your explanation on the gift of life was so beautiful. God bless you.
gift of life? what gift? how does that work exactly?
@@HarryNicNicholas watch the video again.
@@HarryNicNicholas you are not very intelligent are you
I like to use a "net-zero" argument: God created those people He destroyed in the Flood (who brought it on themselves by their wickedness), so to take those lives he created away leaves him at a "net-zero" at worst (which isn't even actuality, since things exist, making God necessarily a net positive)
The main retort is "well, can parents kill their kids?" which doesn't follow since the parents use things given to them by God in order to "make" their children.
I'm always wondering who these vids are meant to convince
Ever wondered what it feels like to drown? Why did god not just snap his fingers like Thanos? Doesn't that seem more moral? Were all the animals wicked too? So many questions, so little information in the bible
@Wouter Mortier "why isn't God le based Marvel character"
Reddit moment
@@newglof9558 It is called an analogy. Maybe you heard of this concept to explain things by comparison. At least in the Marvel universe the people just vanished without having to suffer. So my point still stands. Strange you did not bother to address that part of my comment 🤔
@@woutermortier2771 comic book characters aren't analogous to real life. The best you could get is that they'd be comparable to mythological beings, which even the dumbest student of classical theism would recognize isn't what is meant by God. Your point not only doesn't stand, it doesn't even have the legs to do so.
Also, appealing to a sense of misplaced compassion is what creeps in groomer tiktoks do. Try having an adult argument
@@ironymatt ugh, another groomer remark. The new buzz word it seems when facts fail. Analogies by definition do not need to be equivalent. You can compare apples and eggs, of airplanes and horses. It does not matter at all. Your god btw is mythology to all believers of other faiths and atheists alike. The other way around the same idea is valid. Same can not be said about your mix-up. Compassion is not what groomers do. Sorry to see you have no empathy for people before the flood. I wonder what they could have ever done to hurt an all powerfull god that was so all knowing he made them knowing they would end up in that exact situation. Better not have made them at all. Would have been more moral. Can you argue my reasoning in stead of ignoring the content of my message. Personal attacks are not moving anything forward. Calling people dumb or not an adult is just not productive and seems to be used to avoid to go to the core of what I say.
I've actually heard that a lot, that teachers don't want abortion as a debate topic. Ironically, what first educated me about abortion and got me interested in speaking out against it was a speech class I took. The topic specifically had to be a controversial topic and the topic I chose was abortion. My teacher had no issue with me giving a speech on that topic. In fact, the entire purpose was to talk about both sides of the issue in a way that was balanced so that no one listening could tell which side of the issue you came down on. That was in the early 2000's, though, so I guess things have changed.
Hey, it's Clinton Wilcox!
@@introvertedchristian5219 Indeed!
Hey Clinton, what happened to "Pro-life Thinking"? You should get back to doing that.
@@IWasOnceAFetus Hi. I appreciate your support. Honestly, it was just really difficult to keep it up on a regular basis without the podcast pulling in any money. Eventually I had to put the podcast on hiatus so that I could find work to pay the bills (I'm a musician and writer, by trade). I do plan to bring it back at some point.
@@clintonwilcox4690 understandable
My high school government class didn't let us choose "high emotional" debate topics like abortion he said, only just because we were a bunch of high schoolers and in his past experience- it would always get the whole room worked out with lots of yelling and fighting and I think he just got tired of dealing with that lol
My community college did the same thing with banning paper topics. We weren't allowed to do 2nd amendment, abortion, and my teacher tried blocking my Legal Marijuana paper but I had good sources, so the teacher allowed it.
God does everything for the better of our souls to get us to heaven. We still have free will to choose what we want to do. The flood came because he wanted to show us how bad sin is and only with God can we overcome it and repent. ( I know in moments like this with pressure it can be hard to talk sometimes ). This man just seems to be trying to provoke him.
I would have dismissed that rude man too stating God is sovereign and he has the last word. He destroyed sinners not innocents. But I like Trent’s comments better 😅 God bless the man marching though he was brave and doing good to get out there and do God’s work God bless him and everyone out there marching 🙏🏼🕊️❤️🙏🏼
His universe, his choice
Trent, I would be really interested to hear your commentary on the recent video "Should abortion be allowed AFTER BIRTH?" on Peter Boghossian's TH-cam channel. It was a really interesting discussion.
Except abortion can't happen after birth, just as a miscarriage can't. People seriously need to learn the proper English definition of things
I am very lucky to have a professor that is going to allow me to speak on Pro-Life views.
so Do you feel barbaric to tear innocent unborn children to pieces?
do you think this act barbaric? A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime.
@@Supernatural_technology_DNA Can’t tell if trolling or not. Tearing apart an unborn child is objectively barbaric. Poisoning an unborn child is objectively barbaric. Removing an unborn child from its mother’s womb is as barbaric as tearing a born child from her arms and leaving the child on the street side.
sorry strong and honestly man!
i 'm not trolling.
i was asked you the truth question.
Imagine what I could do while I was inside the round egg. I can speak to my mother's body and I get inside. This is the ability of a superman.
fertilized egg is me now.
The fertilized egg has already found its way to the mother's abdomen, and inside to live inside the mother.
A fetus knows what to do to become a human.
the fertilized egg can talk to the mother's body, let the mother's body let it go inside to live in the mother's womb.
since I was in my infancy I was able to: behave, talk mother's body, thought, feeling relatives and life around my mother...
There are many events in your life that you have forgotten.
You can't remember the feeling when you were in the womb because you let it into oblivion.
If you want to remember everything, you need to practice awakening.
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I didn't have a body when I came into this world, my DNA already knew how to create the body I am now.
The fertilized egg is the big bang For a human to enter the world. It was the beginning of a human's entry into the world.
"Abortion" is the destruction of humanity in its infancy.
This is the murder of an innocent unborn child. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime.
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Each stage of my life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions. No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person.
When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body.
When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk.
When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make.
Humanity does not consider human consciousness to be a 1.3kg mass of bean pulp.
A lot of bodies are full of brains, full of all strong body parts... But they have no emotions, no thoughts, especially they can't know how to eat by themselves.
Humans still see them as people, humans see them as people who are suffering from injuries, incurable problems, needing help and needing treatment.
That is human compassion and love.
That is humanity.
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100% no one birth without fertilized egg.
Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective.
>>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment.
Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful.
Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer.
i have something may be you want read.
Big Bang ! How can the Big bang happen?
The question is is it possible to create Cosmic from void?
I will answer "yes": 100% possible.
I will show you that Human DNA can achieve eternal life, humanity can create eternal world.
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human consciousness creates the formula:
+ simple: 1+2 =3. is this truth?
+ a bit more complicated, we have a circle: x^2+y^2=R^2.
By consciousness, people also recognize the body including:
+ human Body= head (a) + chest (b) + abdomen (c) + legs (d).
+ Cosmic= sum of everything in Cosmic(a,b,c...w,y,z)
So how to create Cosmic from void?
Everyone knows that 1+2=3#0.
This is not possible, can never be zero with this.
But with the highest and strongest consciousness of the Creator, The creator found a solution:
+ very simple: 1+2-3=0.
+ More complex than the circle would be: x^2+y^2-R^2=0.
* Thus, after 1 cycle of activity returns to 0, consciousness is born again.
Your consciousness is created by the Creator.
Consciousness of all living things in Cosmic.
Human consciousness cannot exist in nothingness like the Creator.
Now to human DNA: 0=total human DNA(a,b,c,d,e).
Now to Cosmic, Just a very simple rule that is:
Sum of Cosmic(light + dark)=0.
Sum of Cosmic(matter + darkmatter)=0.
Sum of Cosmic(1,2,3... a,b,c... w,y,z)=0.
So in Cosmic there are men and women.
you can only choose one woman for yourself.
1-1=0 is the best balance principle.
* So you've got a way to create an infinitely expanding universe faster than the speed of light.
That's how the creator created Cosmic from void.
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For the universe to be stable and good, the Creator created this principle:
Sum of Cosmic(1,2,3... a,b,c... w,y,z)+equilibrium=0.
you are clear all that, right.
Darkness was born simultaneously during Cosmic creation.
that why we have trouble with darkness.
So we need to learn how to fight the darkness, fight the evil in Cosmic.
This is also the reason why humans have to live in illusion universe to protect us from destruction.
The universe we are observing is just an illusion.
The earth is a school for all to learn to control themselves without harming others.
Time to live on earth is not only doing good, useful to live.
and get rid of bad deeds that are useless and harmful to others
but also learning how to unlock to master Human DNA.
The process of being born and dying is called recycling. Every time you are born and die, you lose the energy to live and return home.
So try to play hard as you can to more progress, stronger your mind and ability your body.
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the question How could Jesus come back to life after being crucified?
how possible human could come back to life after death?
Nature also hides many secret treasures of life.
Your DNA the most valuable gift, great gift in Cosmic that Creator give
Human DNA has proven its ability to everyone that it can create a very beautiful and healthy body at the age of 18.
do you remember about your body when you at 18s?
Your DNA created your body at 18s, right. a very beautiful, strong and healthy body at the age of 18s. this is real.
After Human DNA creates a good and healthy human body, it goes to sleep.
All Human need is to learn how to awaken your own Human DNA.
Your DNA is Cosmic's greatest technology and Cosmic's most powerful weapon.
Human DNA has the source code to distinguish right from wrong and recognize and fight darkness and evil.
The human heart also has the source code of compassion and love without lie that leads to the source of true happiness forever.
Human's fingerprint is a seal that the Creator has reserved for each person.
But Cosmic's greatest gift is only for those who deserve it.
So what are you waiting for?
Find out and learn to unlock your own DNA.
Once you unlock your DNA, you can return home to see the Creator.
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When you fail to master your DNA. You will die.
if your mind is so weak that you cannot control your physical body.
You will become a plant person.
But if your mind is strong enough. You can go into your DNA to create any body type you want.
Right now you are in there 1.3kg of bean pulp called brain.
If your mind is strong enough to bring your consciousness into your DNA.
Well, you'll have a big bang in your head.
it's a super cool feeling, You will live forever.
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activate Human DNA to put your consciousness to higher dimension of Cosmic:
the principle to put consciousness to DNA?
In order to have a child, a man and a woman must find each other to activate the birthing process.
Putting human consciousness into DNA is similar, just finding it back to nature to activate the DNA unlocking process.
the principle to put consciousness to DNA is you are find back to nature to activate the DNA unlocking process are follow:
>> ways to start strengthening your mind
1. let's start clapping. to dispel worries in life.
Inhale slowly, then pause for 5 seconds and exhale slowly.
2. Wake up early at 4 am, listen to soothing music, listen to birds singing. Listen to this song.
3. Erase bad thoughts in your head, low thoughts, guilty thoughts. Clear your mind of thinking only what you want to do.
you need pray with Creator to He will help you get rid bad thoughts in your head.
4. Take a cold shower when you wake up in 30s. you wake up, listen 2 songs then cold shower.
>> find back to nature:
1. There are enough waves in the sky to help activate your DNA, so you need to sleep outside more. Like sleeping on the terrace.
Concrete walls and iron roofs block the waves that activate your DNA.
2. Walking barefoot on the ground also helps you in activating Human DNA.
Walking slowly in the rain with bare feet, Listening to the rain falling, watching raindrops falling, watching thunder are very effective ways to activate DNA.
3. Listen to the birdsong, the stream flowing, the wind blowing, watch the clouds fly in the sky.
Just listen and look, try to get rid of all thoughts in your head.
When you have thoughts in your head, let's redirect the mind focus by look to the images you are seeing in the sky or listening to music.
4. Pay special attention to the sun's X flare emission. This is a very powerful way of activating DNA.
Can you use the camera in your smartphone to check if the sun has an X flare?
If you see the ray flare sun shining, 2 or more on your smartphone, then go outside and stand in the sun for about an hour.
@Excuse me but Yet Mary also knew she would see Him again in Heaven, having been born without sin by the grace extended to her from the sacrifice God Himself was willing to give to show how much He loved us, and how far He would go for our redemption. God also abhorred human sacrifice (see old testament); he gave Himself as a sacrifice, at His pleasure, because He had the authority, and because it was good. Because God is all good he exemplifies what is all good, ie self-sacrifice; "No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends." He died upon the cross, descended into Hell, beat down the Gates of Hell, defeated Death, rose again, and assumed Body and Spirit into heaven. He also granted his mother the right to assume, body and spirit, into Heaven to sit as the Queen of Heaven, or the Queen Mother of the King (see old testament), that she may bask in the eternal love and glory of her son. Does that sound worthy of worldly suffering?
12:43 Re: whether fetuses are human b/c of mortality rates
I would go a different route: ALL humanity has a 100 PERCENT mortality rate. Fetuses die. But so does every human being. You can make it to 100 years and you will still die. Dying doesn’t make you non-human, it’s an essential feature of humanity in our fallen state.
My concise response is: "Well that was judgement for sins. God is pro capital punishment too. Tell me what sins unborn babies have committed? None? So like Noah they get to live."
Yeah, we are going t drop all pro-life slogans just because Trent doesn't like it
Thanks Trent, that was useful.
It's a yes or no question, dude. There's nothing gotcha about it. FAIL!!!
God has universal autonomy
Dueteronomy 6. Choose life.
Thank you.
I’m confused: is about an absolut moral standard on how to judge certain actions or a matter of who does it? You seem to imply the later. How then can we point to God as the standard for what is moral if it doesn’t apply to him? This seems rather arbitrary to me.
That's because you don't understand the perfect love that God has to offer. Morality isn't utilitarian. I take it you are an atheist?
@ 8:57
If you say we cannot kill people like God kills people, then how about this case, there is a killer that has a gun and wants to kill an innocent child while you were there, the only one who can protect the child through this one and only way, by killing the killer. Will you not kill the killer to save an innocent life?
@ 9:05 - 10:08 - 10:37
I think I can accept this as the answer for the question above.
It is my understanding that our resurrected body in heaven will be supernatural. It will have some of the same abilities as the resurrected body of Jesus. Being able to pass through walls and to move at the speed of thought etc...
I once heard from a priest that we were going to replace the angels or maybe do their job.
This makes sense for me because it seems God could have us in heaven without these supernatural powers.
He would be giving us these upgrades or superpowers for a purpose. For a future work for his glory . To equip us to do our Future jobs / vocations.
If we were meant just to be couch or cloud potatoes . We wouldn't need the extra gift's and abilities..
I would like you to comment on what saints have said about this subject and your own thoughts.
10:50 I've really gotta disagree with this methodology. The whole point of their argument isn't "Killing is wrong, God kills, therefor God is bad" but "God is good, God is pro-choice, therefor pro-choice is good"- It's not a contradiction to the abortionist argument to say "Well what if God plays by your rules instead?", that's EXACTLY what they want you to say
Good point, but Trent did caution that you've got to be careful with that approach.
@@ironymatt the point is that he conceded the pro aborts premises, so it’s a terrible strategy. Better to double down.
@@stcolreplover I agree, it very easily turns into a race to the bottom. In Trent's defense I think he intended for such a strategy only where the prochoicer genuinely had a blind rage against their idea of a "sociopathic god", rather than the more likely case of a fedora-tipping zealot trying to win arguments.
evil alien can lie, hide, distortion...
they have come to earth.
I will show you how human catch crime coming to light.
they are proof for The evil alien is always hiding and lurking to harm human: seducing, lying, controlling, trapping, sarcasm, ridicule, judgment...
but any killer has a way of coming to light.
Mankind's police investigation is based on: words, actions, fingerprints on the scene, wicked time at places near the scene...
to prove the crimes committed by the wicked.
The police don't read the bible, the Quran, buddha, or watch youtube... as evidence.
>*>*The criminal cannot use the excuse that the Bible says murder to deny guilt.
so The sophistry, falsehood, brutality of plotting to kill the unborn children of mankind is proof the crimes committed by the wicked (evil alien on earth).
all their word and act will be proof for them crimes.
evil all have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children, you want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity.
What could be easier than humanity killing its own future?
That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete.
a perfect plan to xdes troy humanity.
all is prove for the crimes committed.
>>>>Abortion is the murder of innocent unborn babies of humanity to waive responsibility.
The act of tearing unborn children to pieces. A most heinous, most brutal, most painful crime.
because fertilized egg are me now.
are you was born without fertilized egg? of course not.
100% no one birth without fertilized egg.
Each stage of human life has different ways of feeling and expressing thoughts and emotions.
No one can take a kind of one-sided thinking to say that this is a person, like that is a person.
When the child is in the womb. The mother feeds the child with the nutrition in their body.
When a child is born, the mother feeds the child with their own milk.
When the child grows up, the mother will feed the child with the food they make.
Abortion is murder, This is not a religious charter or a social perspective.
>>>>Abortion and Murder is must be imprisonment.
Murder is a serious crime, killing unborn children is even more painful.
Just like the murder trial, depending on the severity, there will be necessary punishments for the murderer.
Cosmic have 4th, 5th... dimensions.
Even if evil alien delete their account, they won't get rid of it
they will need punished soon.
Just as I thought I found a good Christian channel
Look at the original state of humans in which God designed us... humans were immortal. There was no death or slavery. It is only after the corruption of sin entered that death also entered. Since God is a just judge, God cannot ignore or sweep evil under the carpet. And that is where God's love comes into the picture and you see God coming into human form and taking the punishment of sin for us. (God is light and cannot ignore the darkness of sin and God is love and couldn't leave us doomed in sin).
Most defenders of abortion are having to defend their position for the first time in years. They've had the privilege of being lazy with their arguments for the past few decades. Now they know they need to work out their position. So many will turn to actual arguments for the first time in their lives.
God commanded Moses to kill many tribes😮
And what exactly were those tribes doing? Ah yeah, they were totally innocent.
God has commanded the slaughter of infants in some Bible verses. Were they guilty too?
@@korokleafgaming6863They were minding their own business.
@@KamalasFakePolls Nope. They were participating in torturous child sacrifices and other equally deplorable evils
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤😊❤😊❤
Imagine people passionately defending things in Harry Potter as if magic and Hogward were real. They would look crazy....
Well, religious people look the same to me. Why on Earth I should believe in some fantasy book (and a boring one) with a shitty sky daddy as a main character???
No he is not, nor has he ever been pro life.
So Trent’s entire argument is the special pleading fallacy. Murdering babies is atrociously evil……unless it’s god doing it. Then it’s perfectly fine and just. Barring the fact that’s a text-book fallacy, in order for that argument to work, you’d have to somehow prove the underlying premise that god is perfect loving and just by nature. If he’s out there killing babies in floods, children by bears, and first-born sons via the angel of death (among several other genocidal acts against innocent human beings), I’d argue that directly cuts against any argument that this god is anywhere close to moral perfection.
What exactly is 'god doing it'?
@@chezjowy8596 “god doing it” looks like, as one prime example, god killing every human being on the planet by flooding the earth save for Noah and his family. Countless innocent men, women, children, and babies both born and unborn all killed by the flood god himself sent.
It's not special pleading when you're dealing with someone or something that's categorically special, such as in this case - God. I thought this was something that's taken for granted among people who understood logic and philosophy.
What about the pregnant women that were killed during the flood?
the non-noah line was corrupted
@@paulhagen1002 so every living thing on the face of the earth was corrupted except noah and his family?
@@fuzzywuzzy1355 the earth was corrupted enough for God to desire it to be cleansed, we know that on occasion God wills the destruction of the 'innocent', as we also see in other parts of genesis. This morality is consistent with divine love due to the properties of eternity.
innocent is a bit of a loaded term since we do believe that mankind was fallen
@@paulhagen1002 so God created all that and made a mistake and everyone was flawed so we had to start over?
God did flood the earth, but he's more chill now.
The good rainbow predates the bad one
God flooded the earth because of the depravity among the humans during that time. God struck down Sodom for the same reason. They all 100% deserved the punishment.
Incorrect. The passage in Numbers is NOT just a jealousy test given to ancient Israelites. The jealousy aspect is simply suspicion - the means by which the woman who HAS had sexual relations with another man, but has not been caught, ends up being tested.
…and yes, God is the one who told Moses to tell the Israelites to do this, …and yes, verse 21 clearly states, “may ‘the LORD’ cause you to become curse among your people when ‘he’ makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.
…and yes, in verse 28 it clearly states, “If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and ‘will be able to have CHILDREN’.” So, yes it was talking about children.
…and yes, God was the one who commanded Moses to give the message to the Israelites and God was the one who made the women who had sex with other men miscarry.
The excuse that THIS message and rule was only for ancient Israelites is the same excuse that can be used for the entire Old Testament and the Gospels, for YAHWEH is the God of the people of Israel and THEY should not worship any other god but him, for HE is a jealous god who’s punishment for disobedience includes “cursing the fruit of THEIR womb”. (Deuteronomy 28:18,53) So much the sanctity of life.
Disclaimer: I dislike abortion and want to see it significantly restricted. So I'm not on the "pro-choice" side of the fence. However I often wonder why, if God is, as it is claimed, pro-life, even to the extent of forbidding artificial birth control, he allows and arguably causes literally millions upon millions of "natural" miscarriages in the early stages of pregnancy, year upon year, and throughout the entire world. This doesn't seem to be the intention of someone who is "pro-life", but rather of someone who couldn't care less.
You could say the same about any death outside the womb. God made humans with eternal souls so that's as Prolife as you can get
@@Personaje123 prove the idea of eternal souls.
It's not that God's pro-life, it's that he's the author of life. As Trent says, that's why he has absolute authority over life, and, crucially, we don't.
The pains and struggles endured throughout our lives have to be reckoned with, but in worshipping the one true God who suffered and died for us that we may have eternal life in the fullest, the one thing that's abundantly clear is that he isn't some deity that couldn't care less. If he was he wouldn't have permitted Christ to suffer so much as a paper cut.
@@ironymatt So billions of babies die in early pregnancy, not from abortion but from what in old legal parlance would, ironically, be termed "acts of God" but you remain convinced that God is goodness itself, and that he died in order to give us "..eternal life in the fullest.." That's quite a leap of faith, one I'm certainly unable to make myself.
This is the same issue as wondering why do earthquakes and hurricanes kill people even if God is good
That is why.. church need to teach how to defend the faith, not about mary..
Thats is another problem with catholicism.
It becomes more apparent every day that paganism has returned in a big way.
Not quite, but with the waning of Christianity funny how there has been a huge spike in women practicing witchcraft
I mean paganism has always been there across the major religions.
Not paganism, something far more insidious. Pagans never denied virtue or truth, they certainly weren't perfect in their understanding of them, but they still believed. This is the product of a different ideology.
lol, and christianity isn't just another cult religion? from where i stand you're just as into wizardry as any other voodoo practice, take a step back and tell me what he difference is between christianity and voodoo? both based on sacrifice for a start.
but at lease voodoo sacrifices chickens, not sons.
“His universe, His Choice”, -Trent Horn, 2023.
I wonder how many people they had to ask before finding the deer-in-headlights person. The person asking the question knew exactly what they were doing. But that's why Trent is absolutely right that you have to be really careful with your message and know how to defend it before marching.
Excellent point. The saturation of social media - and the corresponding ability to edit, manipulate and distort a situation for the means of furthering a particular agenda - has to always be considered.
exactly - they probably got blown out by multiple people before finding the one person who wouldn't engage, which optically looks the best for their side (hence why they posted it)
I mean, if you're going to make a claim then at least have some idea of how to defend it when pressed.
yes you need to make sure you can rebut any tricky questions before engaging with anyone likely to point out how shaky religion is. xianity for instance boils down to a bloke having a hallucination another dead bloke wasn't dead. strange idea to base a religion on, dead people and sacrificed people.
@@ndimuafrica you can't defend god though, there's nothing to support the claim god's exist.
"Is God Pro-Life?"
He's life Himself.
God bless you and your work, Mr. Horn.
why you against God?
who created food for you eat every day?
did you remember Dark world?
god's probably killed more people than anyone else. even satan only killed 10 people, and five of those were cos of a bet with god. i actually think satan is the good guy, we only god's word for it that he's up to no good.
@@HarryNicNicholas I don't care about what you think, it's worthless.
@@PauloRicardo-ez4ud he hates god but cries on catholic pages
@@PauloRicardo-ez4udYou're worthless.
I'm sick of having to "explain" basic morality to people. I feel like I'm arguing with psychopaths every time I have to explain pro life views. I t alway comes down to "define what is goodness" . I'm not Aristotle. If you don't know why baby killing is wrong you should probably be on a mental hospital.
Well I am pro-choice. I agree baby killing is wrong.
@@shehannanayakkara4162 then stop supporting baby killing
@@shehannanayakkara4162 I'm sorry but pro-choicers being against murdering babies is an oxymoron.
I'm Pro choices . But with its always Anti Abortion , and not pro Adoptions!
A 12 year old isn’t mature enough to choose the gender they identify with but is mature enough to give birth to their rapist’s baby? Anyways, nowhere in the Bible does it say life begins at conception. And given how evangelicals vote to prevent abortion and defund any services to help raise the child, they aren’t pro-life, they are pro-embryo. Once the baby is out they tell the mother to kick rocks and figure out how to raise them on their own. Would your God send the unborn to heaven or hell? Would a loving God send them to Hell? If Heaven, wouldn’t you want loads of abortions?
I'd just like to point out the neat little coincidence that you quoted a passage from the Catechism (271) on the same day it's in the Catechism in a Year w/ Fr. Schmitz reading. It just tickled me that I read it this morning and it comes back in your video hours later and I thought to myself, "That sounded familiar!". Thanks for all that you do, I really enjoy the content!
“Didn’t God kill everybody on earth?”
“Absolutely, he did. And they deserved it, kind of like we’re close to. Babies don’t.”
And he promised to never do it again
@@lois2997 He promised never to kill everyone again by water.
Wouldn't a global flood kill tons of babies though?
@@tomasrocha6139It killed tons of babies.
@@wms72 ain't that nice? to never again punish the people he created (God loves all his children) knowing they would be evil and subsequently hardened their hearts so they would become evil.
“didn’t God kill everyone on Earth” such a stupid objection, there’s no other word for it, God decides in his providence when everyone dies
@antpassalacqua said :“didn’t God kill everyone on Earth” such a stupid objection, there’s no other word for it, God decides in his providence when everyone dies"
my answer:
>>>>i don't see you read books, right.
i don't care what books you was read, right.
all thing i see on here are you said.
All thing you said are thinking in your mind speak out.
if you mind isn't mastermind all that things then no word on here, right.
so don't lie any more.
you have any proof for God did all thing you said?
can you point out the proof for God did all thing you said?
did you seen God?
why you against God?
What enmity do you have with God?
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next:
The temple of God is in everyone's heart.
Not a stone temple.
nor in religious books.
If you cut open your chest to look inside a 0.5kg heart, you would only find 0.5kg of spoiled meat.
The heart is the safest place for people.
The heart lies deep within the human DNA.
Dig deep inside of you to touch the heart in your DNA.
everything is available inside you
find God inside yourself.
you need to practice awakening to wake up your DNA.
Those who work for money, for fame and fortune, are serving the devil.
Humanity does not need to obey or respect any pope or a priest.
Because they are not people of God. They teach you idolatry and ritual dogmas.
The vatican has corrected God's commandments and made you obey their commandments.
they against God.
you and them against God.
you are mastermind kill unborn babies of humanity with reason that in the book write about kill human.
you and them have the most brazen goal of destroying the innocent unborn children, you want humanity itself to destroy the future of all humanity.
What could be easier than humanity killing its own future?
That's the plan they want 2050 to be complete.
a perfect plan to xdes xtroy humanity.
now I need you strong to answer honestly.
Do you feel barbaric to tear innocent unborn children to pieces?
Why do you want to xdes xtroy the future of humanity?
Then God is not Pro-life, hence, the sign God is Pro-life is inconsistent.
@@JayriFel-ml9eiPro-life doesn't mean we believe nothing should ever die, it means that we believe that it's wrong to kill a human life in the womb.
Yahweh is a prick.
My Comp II professor said the same thing. Granted, he did say we could do abortion as our topic but he strongly advised us not to. So, naturally, I chose to write on why practicing chastity is so important. I got graded a 100%.
Had a friend who was doing a research paper on abortion and why it was terrible. Her professor admitted he was pro-choice and told her he would grade harshly on it, and encouraged her to pick something else.
She held firm at first, started doubting in the middle, but we all told her not to let him stop her and finish the paper anyway. Think she got a C or very very low B on it, but we all agreed she did nothing wrong in picking the topic she wanted and he was very unprofessional through the whole thing.
Grounds for complaint.
Academic disadvantage.
@@vaughanlloydjones3884 we told her that and she agrees. But he's tenured and since it was only a basic class, he's not part of her major track, and she passed the class with a decent grade anyway, she won't pursue it.
She's going in for education, so she'll end up with a mix of professors across the spectrums. From what other education majors say, most of those professors just focus on the material and not anything outside of that, so hopefully she won't have such a jerk moving forward.
I teach comp 2, and there are several topics I don’t let my students write about: abortion, euthanasia, immigration, taxation… The biggest reason has to do with how difficult it is for both the student and the greater to be unbiased. It’s also hard for students to really understand how they should do research: form your opinions based on your research, instead of looking for sources to back your side.
@@rebeccabaumgarten7573isn't that the point of grading them? If they approach the topic in a biased way with supportive arguments and evidence, then that seems like a justifiable reason to grade them more harshly. If they pick a difficult topic and argue for it in an effective manner, then why not allow it?
The first step to stopping a troll is identifying the troll. In the case of the man marching with the sign, he assumed that the man asking him about his sign was acting in good faith. I don't fault him for that as it showed his heart was charitably disposed, but it's a bit of a red flag when the interlocutor repeats the clear statement (God is pro-life) back to him asking what it means. Someone who believes the same as the marcher wouldn't have been likely to lead with a question implying a lack of understanding for such a straightforward phrase.
When we put ourselves on the front lines, we need to be cognizant that doing so will bring detractors, and in the debates regarding matters of human life and sanctity such detractors prioritize their own autonomy, perspectives and desires above the sanctity of life. Ergo, they're not going to play nice, and accordingly we've got to be prepared for it. Be not deceived, as Christ instructed, so to that end it pays to know thy enemy.
How's someone challenging you on a position you proudly hold and profess a detractor?
@@ndimuafrica are you serious? You pretty much just stated the definition of the word outright. What did you think "detractor" means?
@@ndimuafrica do you know what detractor means
It doesn't need to be a debate. "This isn't the venue for discussion" suffices to defuse the situation.
Wooow!!! I had to pause, I freaked out. You told the age of your kids and I thought "oh they are the same age as my 3 kids" then you said your older one has a right to do things but not others and I'm like "oh it's exactly what I do too" and then you say "Matthew" and I'm like WHAT, my older son is also named Matthew. For a second it felt like you were talking about my kids. 😵😂😂
My first thought when that guy asked "didn't God Kill everyone?" is "Don't judges sentence people to death?"There is a difference when God chooses to judge His Creation, and we as humans killing other humans because we are inconvienced by them.
Absolutely right. It's analogous to a court sentencing a criminal to death, vs an individual who kills an innocent person he finds inconvenient.
Judges don't sentence people to death, only juries. But regardless, it's still wrong to do so.
@AWOKEN Catholic Judges issue out the sentencing based on the recommendations of the jury, a judge can lower a sentence to life if they deem fit, so judges have to agree with the juries recommendation and then issue out the sentence, but either way my point is that God killed all with the flood as judgement, which is very different then abortion which is the unjustified killing of human life.
why does he kill babies with cancer then?
so all the drowned babies were sinful? and all the pregnant women who were drowned too?
The audio version of this episode on Spotify was incorrectly posted. It's under episode #711 "Protestants Should Believe in this Catholic Doctrine on Sin".
Trent, could you do an analysis of the brain dead woman surrogate article that came out a few days ago?
Who were the people that God killed in the flood? Weren’t they involved in despicable behavior such as child sacrifice?
Although I'm deconstructing and don't know whether certain arguments for God work, I love Trent's analogies. They are a food for thought.
Good luck on your journey brother. God is by your side. Be with him in silence.
@@mattjackson450 long story I will try to make short. One of the biggest movers was studying skepticism and then male-female relationships. There also played a part of my psychology, but I didn't think the moral argument was good. I didn't see what's wrong with saying morality is just s biproduct of bio-social product. I also wondered why would God use a process like evolution to create life. A lot of arguments for type of theistic personalist God rely more on understanding science so I couldn't use kalam and fine tuning with much certainty because I hear conflicting views and I don't know which is right. I thought that Thomistic arguments that prove God of classical theism are great because they deduce God, but I realized they also have objections that I don't have an answer to, but even if accept stage 1, why would we accept stage 2? Oppy's simplicity of naturalism makes me doubt that God is the necessary being or first mover. In general, when I see certain practices in church by believers or hear how they talk it seems more like they are trying to cope or that they are blinded (I don't know how else to put it). I'm not an agnostic and I'm not a religious Christian so it's fair to say I'm deconstructing or doubting because I can see both sides. I sometimes lean to one and sometimes to the other side.
I don't know if that's what you've meant.
@@eugengolubic2186 Hey Eugen I would suggest praying.
At the end of the day skepticism cannot prove or disprove God. So be careful trying to get answers from people who admit they don’t have them and can’t ever.
If you want to know if Jesus is real you have to ask him, pray for him to show you him (humbly ofc) be honest with God about what you’re going through. Tell him that you’re lost and you don’t know what to think. That’s what I did and he did it for me. I used to be on the fence and then God showed me who he was. Long story short, he’s very real and beautiful! And the Gospel becomes even more amazing when you know it’s real, for yourself, not because mom or dad or some random person on TH-cam tells you.
I would also be weary that you might be projecting on those Christians you mentioned. Unless you know for sure that all Christians you’re encountering are using God to cope, you’re just interpreting their actions from your own lens and your own views on life, but not theirs.
Anyway, praying for you! May God reveal himself to you like he has to me. When he reveals himself to you you’ll be able to rebuild on the rock. Not the sand that you’re on now. Be blessed! Keep knocking and he will answer. (But knock on God’s door not TH-cam door. You know?)
@eugengolubic2186 said :"I also wondered why would God use a process like evolution to create life"
my answer:
that's your lie.
can you point out the point evolution in Cosmic?
How your body grow up?
can you point out the point evolution in your body grow up?
is your body grow up random selection?
may I ask you this: did your parents give birth to you better or an ape gave birth to you better.
This is the thinking of a snake biting its tail that make a vicious circle to bury the human mind.
It's the tactic snake's biting its tail to bury the human mind.
When a snake bites its tail, the head becomes a tail, and the tail becomes a head.
That is the tactic of wicked, evil alien want to xdes troy humanity.
you all are snakes, a vile, wild, brutal invaders also known as evil aliens include: Falsehood weak like evil, devil strong, illuminati capable of sight, and Fallen hypocrite.
Aliens are A species that likes to hybridize with animals.
what argument _for_ god work? there's no evidence of any god's for a start.
Dear Trent, I heartedly agree with all you said in this video, but another way of rebutting them comes from understanding two simple things: First, what the Pro-life movement actually stands for [it stands against *the vile act of murdering innocent human life* , hence a sin]; and, second, the original Hebrew verb context for the 5th commandment [which we simply translate as "you shall not kill"], where is not the act of killing itself what is wrong or sinful, but the justification behind it is what dictates if it is a sin or not. Therefore, given proper context, is not wrong for God to have purged the human race in Noah's story, on the contrary is a very just act. Yet, God purging evil doesn't change the fact He is in favor of protecting innocent life.
TL;DR: God is Pro-life and He also purged evil and wickedness in Noah's story, and those two statements are in perfect harmony. Claiming that one of them should neutralize the other is a "false dilemma" fallacy.
As a college writing professor, the reason we don’t let our students write about abortion (as well as other hot button topics) is because
1. No matter their position, doing research won’t change it, so they’re not really learning how research is supposed to work: you form your opinions based on your observations, rather than looking for sources to back you up
2. It’s hard for us as professors to be impartial graders, since we have our own opinions.
3. It’s a topic highly susceptible to logical fallacies.
4. It’s exhausting to read a bunch of 18 to 20 year olds (in other words, usually not fantastic writers), talk about the same hot button issue.
We have a problem with our educational system when debate is restricted.
Something clearly occurred when our colleges became high schools and high schools, in worse circumstances, elementary schools.
It's a terrible case of education inflation whereby the education's quality has deflated in merit and value.
And it surely doesn't help with the weighted GPA.
I do concur with your reasoning; our children, especially after the lockdowns, have weaker cognitive ability.
Something has to be done with our primary schooling so we can go back to the classical collegiate center of learning. I can argue for less public sector unions, less administration, less PTO, and removal of the US Department of Education.
Yet, the quality of learning needs to start at home and, if prudence permits, the neighborhood cul de sack/block.
Innocence over ignorance. Let the children know about life, not let them be shocked by it.
1-4 hold for any issue under the sun. And good grief, if you think "professional" researchers aren't motivated to justify positions they already hold rather than impartially following the path of reason wherever it may lead, you must be really new at this, lol.
@@danieltemelkovski9828 I’m well aware of rampant bias and dishonesty among scholarship; reading scholarship is part of my job. It’s also part of my job while teaching comp 2 to teach the basics of research. That’s extremely difficult to do when it comes to hot button topics flooded with mudslinging, propaganda, and generally bad writing and argumentation, because everyone is throwing their hat in the arena (justifiably). I do give an assignment where students have to find five recent news articles, one for each category of claim. Those articles can be about anything they want, including the topics I’m not letting them write about on their major paper.
@@AJKPenguin I teach comp 2. That’s basic argumentation. We are identifying fallacies, keeping our appeals straight (the ones with Greek names), finding recent news articles (on any topics they want), and determining which category of claim they fall under, etc. I also have them read Plato, Orwell, and Jonathan Swift. Fact of the matter is that teaching the basics of argumentation is much more effective when the topics aren’t liable to make everyone’s blood boil, regardless of the intelligence level that supposedly accompanies certain generations. If I were teaching a 300 or 400 level class, it would be different. Besides, every prompt has to have parameters-that’s the definition of a prompt. I’m having my students pick a topic under debate within their own major. That’s hardly silencing debate. I’m deliberately sending them out into the current conversations within their fields.
@@rebeccabaumgarten7573 why don’t you let them have their own opinions
So you're saying that if I create something, I have the right to kill it because I created it?
Hey Trent . Wondering if you have seen Pastor Jeff Durbin’s apologetics outside of abortion mills and what you think of his approach as well as the abolition movement generally as contrasted to the pro-life movement.
I am an abolitionist myself.
The gotcha question is just the same old question from Lucifer rephrased. Did God say you couldn’t do such and such? Or, didn’t God do such and such? (Which is ultimately justification for Non Serviam, “I will not serve”)
And the same response applies Yes, but “Mikha'el”- who is like God?
St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle.
Does this man understand circular reasoning?
psalm 137:9 “blessed are those who dash the little ones against the rocks”
I heard he told that Abraham fella to plunge a knife into his little boy…..
At the last minute, he said “PSYCH! I was only kidding!”….
but what if he hadn’t 😬
To that objection, I always say the same thing: read the Bible in literary and historical context. This means that God didn't kill anyone, but those things were projected onto Him by the authors due to a lack of understanding of God's loving nature.
So, I disagree with you on that because the very notion of destruction is against the nature of God, and He can't act contrary to it.
2:23 Q: Didn't God also warn humans years ahead of time about the flood? A: Yes
Q: Didn't God also allow a way of escape to be prepared? A: Yes
Q: Didn't God also list multiple reasons WHY he sent a flood? A: Yes (Funny how the questioner dishonestly ignores those pesky little details).
This is why you have to be very careful and prepared (and ask people why they are asking certain questions before trying to answer them). Not all skeptics are very interested in the truth. Some only want to make you look foolish (which in this case was mostly the fault of the person being asked) and have little genuine curiosity for the truth on certain topics.
I think Trent misses the mark with treating Street Trolls. The best response is to out troll them.
“Yes God cleansed the evil from the world like Trolls and Journalists 😊”
Even without the trolling angle, my first thought was "God only kills the wicked. God has perfect knowledge to know who is truly wicked. Babies are never truly wicked."
@@Joker22593 again your not going to debonk a street troll in real time. So the first thought “God punishes the wicked” is based, should be said, and let the leftist troll wail and gnash his teeth.
Right. Fight fire with fire.
@Joker22593 I agree with the general sentiment - God doesn't arbitrarily punish the innocent - but that argument immediately opens you to the retort "Wouldn't a global flood wipe out a ton of babies?" So if you don't have a response to that, the troll will have another "gotcha" video to post on his channel.
I don't think God wants women to have abortions whether they are "legal" or not. Neither should we. Nonetheless, God grants us free will. Don't make an idol out of the legal status of abortion. It's counterproductive.
People are happy when abortion is illegal because it will drastically reduce abortion rates as many women do not want to face prison or large fines for their actions. I don't think many (if any) are under the belief that making it illegal will totally eradicate the action. It just puts a physical consequence with the action and will prevent many abortions from taking place. In the same way murder decreases, but is never zero, when it is illegal.
@@Catholicsquirrel Clearly a lot of people are not happy when abortion is illegal. And nobody proposes penalties for the women who seek out abortions. Do you recall the debacle DJT stepped into when he proposed that? This obsession over the legal status of abortion leads otherwise "orthodox" Catholics to put their full and public support behind a wanton adulterer to be the leader of the free world and example to millions of children of how they should live their lives. People who vote for Trump because they are "prolife" are clearly pro-choice when the sin comes to adultery. The hypocrisy is rife.
@@es8059 I don't know a single person that is pro-life who is not happy over abortion being illegal. I certainly support penalties for women that seek to and kill their children. Not sure how Trump came into this at all, and I don't recommend it. You're trying to argue two different moral points and conflate them as one. Not sure what you mean when you say, "People who vote for Trump because they are "prolife" are clearly pro-choice when the sin comes to adultery."
@@Catholicsquirrel Tbh, I don't care if abortion is made illegal. It won't affect me in the least. If it reduces the number of abortions, fine. But we should be consistent. Adultery destroys families. We should also be for criminalizing it. And then candidates like Donald Trump (touted for his prolife stances) would be a multiple felon and not eligible to be president. Be consistent is all I'm saying.
@@es8059 I think a nonchalant attitude towards the legality of abortion is missing the point. It's like being begrudgingly pro-life and not understanding the magnitude of abortion. Adultery does destroy families. I would be all for criminalizing it. However, in a secular state, which the US is, the government shouldn't have that much power. It's one of many reasons that classical liberalism isn't a natural conclusion of the Catholic Church. Although adultery does destroy families and is gravely immoral, I don't think it's fair to equate infidelity and murder. In fact, the reason that Moses allowed the Israelites to divorce one another in the OT is because they were choosing to murder their spouse in order to nullify their marriage covenant. So, we can very clearly see that although God hold adultery to be gravely immoral, it is not *as* grave as murder. Similarly, in all reality, *most* politicians shouldn't be able to run for office. Almost all of them have committed mortal sins and been unrepentant. Very few, if any are actually striving for virtue.
*Abortion will never be truly abolished as long as society continues to tolerate any form of artificial contraception and the contraceptive mentality in general. After all, abortion is the inevitable backup when those fail.*
*Down with incrementalism! Screw 14A jurisprudence! Hooray for subsidiarity, 10A, and **_Dobbs v. Jackson!_*
I concur, however 14th Amendment jurisprudence has its place; it ought to be applied to promote and preserve life.
Without life, no liberty. Without authentic liberty. . .not to be confused with license. . .no life.
Shall I call my kidney stone Dorothy?
Trent looks like a Peanuts character - nice shirt.
To begin with, there are many pro-life people - including the author of this post - who strongly oppose the death penalty.
He interviewed a Catholic priest one time about all the people killed at the time of the flood and the priest had no response. It's amazing people don't have responses for the is stuff. Honestly the old testament is the best charitable explanation for sympathy towards pro abortion advocates. God allowed people to be wiped out all the time rather than experience mortality raised as heathens. The difference is He gets to make the call...not us.
Its irony that they claim my body my choice but think God habing autonomy over his creations and Hes an evil jerk.
So how do you answer it? You have no answer because God is manmade.
I would say, God created life so he can do whatever
Hey Trent do you think you could review the interview with the abortion activist that Michael Knowles did a while ago?
I can understand rebutting lame channels like The Young Turks, but tiktok trolls aren't even worthy of a video. All they do is ask stupid or unprepared people gotcha questions rather than arguing in good faith. It's useless to people of both parties, but the interviewer usually benefits from it more than the interviewed because they are the ones who had more preparation and can chose who to interview to make one side look better/worse.
It's always ironic that these very people who claim that God is mean for chastising people will also advocating fiercely for a mother's "right" to kill her own kid!
What about when the pregnancy put in risk the health of the mother? Or when a 12 year old kid has been raped by his father and now she is pregnant?
@@22espec typical . Very few but nice try
@@lois2997 i don't see an answer
@@lois2997
It's not as few as you think
The fundies tell me that God forgives abortion…..
It’s not like it’s blasphemy, now that makes him REALLY mad!….
It's much better if he put himself in that real situation
i hope pro-lifers want more funds for healthcare, education, fair wages and social justice. That's pro-life too.
We are not forbidden to kill, we are forbidden to commit murder.
Great loophole
@@awokencatholic Hardly, use your common sense.
Abortion is murder
@@lois2997 Indeed
When I ask forced-birthers if they think women should get the death penalty or life in prison for abortion (like they would if they murdered a real person)….
They start stammering and stuttering like a jackhammer!…..
Almost none of them give me a straight answer……
You didn't rebute anything.
I mean to take the argument further, God killed every person who ever lived because we all die someday. But why? This is a consequence of the fall. Death was not part of God's plan, it's a consequence of our choice to sin. That's also why all of the people died in the flood. As a consequence of sin. God created a logical universe with consequences for actions. He doesn't relish in our death but wants us to live with him forever. So yes he is pro life
That can be a useful shorthand way to look at it, but it also creates a problem, so you have to be careful. It was God himself who decided that death must be the consequence for sin. He could have chosen some other consequence - he's God, he can choose anything - so given that he chose death to be the consequence, it seems that death actually was part of his plan.
Then God is not Pro-life hence the sign is inconsistent.
@@JayriFel-ml9eipro eternal life
Why should we care about your opinion?
Why should I or anybody else care about yours? What a nothing statement
The same channel tried to do this again, but this time they had ask leading questions to get to this point.
It seems like they only have one argument!
Good will.
God almost killed everyone to help everyone else who comes.
Around 11:22 you have undermined your own argument and confirmed that God is NOT pro life. So spell it out: God is an authoritarian dictator who does things as he pleases to and does not care much about morality.
Gift of life. Your analogy is at least weird. $20 per day... Creating life is making ourselves responsible for that life. It doesn't matter if we are "just reproducing" something what was created by God. Logically it's the same thing. If you gave the life to your children, you provide them with food, shelter and clothing every single day. Would it be moral if you had stopped of doing so and make your children suffer or even die from starvation? No one with the right mind would call you a moral parent. You'd be labeled as a cruel, unjust and *abusive parent.*
If God can do it then you have to provide justification for it. Otherwise it's just a fallacious special pleading argument.
Didn't God kill everyone on Earth?
Yes he did!
God is infinitely wise, he can take such a action.
We are fallible and limited we don't get to make this kind of choices about who lives and dies.
We are not God to decide who lives and who dies.
The pro-choice retort in this case wasn't to defend the pro-choicer's belief about God, though. It was to make the pro-life sign seem internally inconsistent. I think it's better to make the pro-life arguments independent of religious arguments. Killing an innocent human is wrong for everyone, not just those who follow a certain faith.
I’m still confused on the authority part. I understand that all have sinned and that life is a grace given by God, but that he is justified in taking it away because our original sin does not merit that right of life. However could not an argument be made that I can kill anyone I want because the person being killed has original sin just like how God kills?
A rebuttal to this that I can think of is that all humans are already guilty and thus have absolutely no rights whatsoever except what is provided by the creator as a gift/grace. So would I be correct in saying that human rights flow from Grace?
Trent, in the case of identical twinning, still the 2nd (temporally speaking) of the twins begins his life at the moment of conception of its cell replication from the 1st twin. So I disagree with you - even in the case of identical twins life begins at conception.
Idk about y’all but when I draw a picture and it turns out to be horrible I throw it away because it’s trash. I have rights over my picture because I created it. God is the only one who has rights over us, his creation.
See now that I, I alone, am he,
and there is no god besides me.
It is I who bring both death and life,
I who inflict wounds and heal them,
and from my hand no one can deliver.
- Deuteronomy 32:39
@ 8:34
But if that's the case, then why is it that there is the "human rights for life", will it not destroy the idea of this fundamental right of human for life if we will say that we don't have the right for the life that we had right now?
God is the 'maker, giver and sustainer' of all life, the marcher could have said yes God can take life as He the Creator of that life.
So how do we explain the Immaculate Conception because that is very clear or am I missing it ? Please help ..
If you’ve read even a little bit of the Bible, you’d know God is not pro life unless you’re just going to make a bunch of stuff up and ignore everything else.
If you look at the original state of man (in what was called the garden of Eden) humans were immortal. There was no death. Only after disobedience to God was committed, did death enter. So, I'd say that God is pro-life but death entered due to the actions of humans. The guy in the video who asked the Q (TheGoodLiars) also conveniently ignores the reasons why a great flood was sent (a flood that God warned humans ahead of time about and also prepared away of escape).
@@switzerlandful That seems like special pleading. And certainly seems outside of what scripture teaches. There are tens of millions of miscarriages every year. There are millions more killed by mosquitoes. Children die of cancer every day. None of these things happened because of sin.
@@ifeelfine72 You still seem to be ignoring the fact that none of that existed in God's original design. If you're going to ask if the God of the Judeo/Christian Bible is a pro-life God, you at least have acknowledge the original state in which God designed things as described in the Biblical narrative. God's plan was not for death to exist originally otherwise God would have happinly included it as a common thing in the Garden of Eden.
@@ifeelfine72 Later in the Biblical narrative, you also have the God of the Judeo/Christian Bible coming down to Earth in human form, suffering for the sins of many, giving up His own life, and then rising from the dead three days later (and by doing so breaks the power of death and defeats it) so that others can have eternal life. In 1st Corinthians 15: 26 it even says that *"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."* (Jesus Christ, who is God in flesh, destroys death which would indicate He is a pro-life God or a God of Life).
@@ifeelfine72yes they did. Sin is what causes evil to corrupt the world.
Not going to lie, I actually found his videos pretty entertaining. 😂 the people really surprise me with their thinking. Heart is right, mind, not so sure.
We are not God
The answer is "God is the Author of Life - it's his to give or take - we don't have the right to take lives".
And we don't have the right to prolong another person's suffering either
🙏
Clever, thank you!
Did God choose his nature? Does God have free will? or Must He always act in accordance with the good?
Good always acts in accordance with good because he IS good. Goodness is defined as being in accordance to God.
@@kajadaw4313 but that does not answer the question. Is God goodness because it is good or did God choose the goodness because He recognized it as good? Is God wholly dependent upon those properties that make up the divine nature, or did He choose them? IS God a property? If so, then how is He also a person with divine attributes: omniscience, omnipotent, free-will, etc.
@@kimmyswan good is defined by God.
@@kajadaw4313 then how can you make moral arguments? When someone asks you why an action is good, you can only reply “because God”….the end.
@@kimmyswan God is the basis of all morality, in fact objective morality is impossible in atheism
Lol, we were tasked to work on a semester-long research paper in my English Comp II class, and I immediately asked if I could do abortion. The professor told me no, and we fought it out. In the end, it was made clear to me that there would be some academic danger in doing so. So I ended up choosing something far more “palatable.” Watching this makes me wish I’d done abortion (from the pro-life position) just to spite the professor lol