Poilievre wants to see workers rewarded with tax cuts in federal budget | 2023 Federal Budget
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- Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre outlines the party’s budget priorities, alongside MP and finance critic Jasraj Singh Hallan.
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Can we start permanently banning foreign investment in more than one property already? If you don't primarily reside in Canada, you shouldn't be able to own half a neighborhood
They did pass something for that. But i think its houses, multi unit buildings they can buy.
Why stop at foriegn investment? Why should any Canadian be able to own half the neighbourhood? Prohibit owning more than 2 properties (one home and one designated recreational property). This should apply to individuals and corporations.
in bc foreign buyers only represent 1.3% of all buyers in 2022... only false politics this inflation is consequence of monetary expansion from boc
"ThATs RaCiSt!!!" - Some liberal Canadian.
One property
Turdeau must go. He has been the worst leader in Canadian history.
I want to see any politician refuse the new pay raise they are set to give themselves.
Including this guy Pierre. Doesn't he sound and look like the geezers our parents and grand parents voted for in the 1950's? lol
They fact that he just blames Trudeau for inflation kinda shows his ignorance. Tax the super wealthy and corporations.
@@thomasdegroot3008 that's cause his supporters are idiots who eat it up.. when he fails to do what he promised he just blame it on him more, and again, they'll believe it.
@@thomasdegroot3008 You can't just tax the rich as they will just pick up there company's and move to Mexico etc. If you do that we lose all our jobs in Canada and everyone ends up on welfare. I agree the wealthy need to pay there fair share but at the same time you don't want them picking up there factories and moving out.
@@thomasdegroot3008 The Turdeau spent all our money. He spend more than the entire history of Canada itself. Money is not free and when you print more it brings down the value of our dollar. We need to lower this and delete many of the programs This guy put into place in his 8years. When this happens it will bring the value of our dollar up again so we can buy more for less.
Are all MP's getting the pay raise???? That raise is more than the pension a senior gets. JUST THE RAISE.
What's your point, Fred? And what is with the drama?
@@jimmyarbutus2555 It is likely because the MP's are getting a pay raise and that pay raise is more than the pension that a senior receives.... but that is just my guess on what his point is.
Pay raise for seniors? Poilievre has wanted to scrap CPP benefits for years.
You have have worked and saved your earnings for retirement.
Then please stop all your older friends/familys from voting for the conservatives.
Listen to what Pierre says, its all about stronger pay checks and communities, that means if you don't earn then you don't count and you better hope you live in a strong community.
We need property rights! We need to own the land not just the right to pay land taxes!
And insurance entitlement liens
If you have title to land, you own the land.
@@Huckster2367 only as long as you pay property taxes. if you default on those, they take your land.
@@momlife1123 Well yeah, your land gets serviced, someone has to pay that service. If you cant afford the taxes then you can’t afford the land. Life isn’t for free loaders.
@@momlife1123huckster doesn't want to talk corporate freeloaders mom...no no he's for rugged individualism for the small holder
Freeloading is for the bigly operators
Please don't forget Seniors and the disabled ... we need help too!!
Do you think Trudeau cares?
@@luckiangels l’m confused as to why so many Canadians love him so much particularly back east.
@@murraywilkinson6515 Because they understand how bad the conservative are lok at what they did to NS power
@@momtur4875 Trudeau has destroyed the country.
Seniors in this country had it easier than every generation before them and every generation after them. Nobody owes you anything. We shouldn’t sacrifice the future of our youth for you.
Anything after 44hrs a week should be tax free. Working overtime is essential for some families to get by.
Not tax free, but taxed less.
Who is going to pay for the islamic refugees and illegals lavish hotel stays?
Yeah, but then every city has to buy a new fleet of cop cars because all the cops will be sleeping their way to six figures of take-home pay.
These are the types of nonsensical non-starter demands that Russia is influencing the opposition parties in countries around the world to suggest.
@@jumpinjohnnyruss Better cops buy cars instead of making Canada landfill of refugees sleeping in hotels
Worked my ass off to get my wage... it's now been devalued to what I was earning 5 years ago
Same, but making the same still as I was 20 years ago. What's a raise?
Thank a LIB/NDP
Like many others I'm sick and tire of paying that carbon tax, high inflation, high interest rate, I haven't stop working since we move to Canada 33 yrs ago, and it seems like it's harder this time than anytime before
I'm voting Poilievre ...
Hell yeah!
There is no labor shortage. There's a wage shortage.
So instead of a full-time minimum wage job, where you get $30,000, you do nothing all day and get $0. Terrific logic.
@@CH-wg1bh No moron they sit at home and get welfare instead.
@@CH-wg1bh Not really. The other option is a job that pays higher. It's only minimum wage jobs with a shortage.
I agree. Wage shortage. We sure like cheap labor in Canada..
Pollievre is speaking common sense based on facts. Trudeau needs to go.
I like the fact P. P. Actually answers questions and doesn't do a dance around them.
He answers and asks all the right questions but he never acts on them. Wake up
@@wendymckee2014 pierre is the best choice by a mile.
Even when the answers aren't liked, as in Ms. Anderson, at least he looks you in the eye, gives a straight answer and then never waffles...that is the person that I want governing my country
@@wendymckee2014 Wake up? Excuse me but what? Your claiming he asks "the right questions but never acts upon them"? Dude of course he can't! He's not the one in power!🤦♂
It's easy to answer directly when you aren't the government, where things you say actually matter and you will be held accountable for what you say. Think about it, when Polievre says something, it's taken as the position of his party. Other countries, and most of Canada don't care. But when Trudeau speaks, for now while he is Prime minister, he represents Canada. You do not want our Prime Minister potentially spouting off incorrect, poorly thought out answers on the spot when a single slip up can have ramifications for Canadian relations and Canadians themselves all around the globe.
Scrap carbon tax and everything from food, fuel cost of furniture, clothes, heating will drop. This alone is all they have to do.
Priority right now is to Stop Bill C11
Pierre needs to look at what is happening in windsor Ontario at the windsor salt mine. An American company is trying to force Canadian workers into signing an unfair agreement by starving them out in the streets.
How about strengthening our rights so employers can't exploit workers
Yes an no. If you would increase wages and benefits, companies will just charge more. The problem as always is profits. Companies refuse to take a hit in profits growth let alone reducing them.
Everyone should be their own boss. The harder you work, the more luxuries you have.
@@BaldingSasquatch Already included in a provision in their cost of sales, and please don't. If you get arrested your employer will have one less employee they are required to bargain with making it easier for them to make it worse for everyone else.
@@BaldingSasquatch so you're a loser and a thief....just what we need more of 😂
@@BaldingSasquatch SAD
Taxation is my largest personal expense. All money I put to taxes I would put back in economy. Tax reform is needed
Real easy solution to your problem.
Reduce government to the basics.
All the money you put to taxes already is put back in the economy.
@@fumblerooskie who told you that
@@fumblerooskie very true
@@philster6383 How so?
Tax Payer Federation got a petition to sign to stop MPS Pay Hike
The four or five anonymous billionaires running the so-called Tax Pay Fed don’t want politicians to get paid anything close to what THEY get. It’s the billionaires against the millionaires!
As if that's going to work , they seem to take it at will
Signed it. ,AS of they will listen.
We need these guys IN!
I don't think politicians should be allowed pay rises until we are the best country in the world
They should be receiving pay cuts,let them feel the sting of financial reduction.
@Mitch you know in some countries the worst politician's get dunked into the river. We should try it out too
No bonuses for federal employees that money goes back into essential services the country needs
There are no bonuses for federal employees buddy
@@MomopilotCool there sure is. top doc got one and she's a federal employee no?
@@MomopilotCool public servants were handed 191 million dollars in bonuses during the pandemic by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT lol
Few federal employees have bonuses. So I agree with no bonus at all!
might I suggest that we have a better incentive structure. For example can we NOT spend all of the departmental budgets? Can we not reward federal managers using modest bonuses for not spending massive budget dollars just because it is "there"? For example if a manager in a departmental unit saves (prevents) $100,000 in spending I have no problem with that ending up as a $1000 bonus for doing so.
how many of these "homes" being promised are actually going to be affordable? The last thing everyone needs is yet another overpriced suburb.
I'm working as an Electrician at an apartment building being built in Moncton New Brunswick. From What I heard the cheapest one bedroom apartment is 1500$ a month.
We need our Canada for our Canadians that made this country as it was period 😮
A sentence so vague I can only assume it's xenophobic. You need to learn how to use English punctuation, period.
@@HelicopterShownUp Get lost NDP/LIB
100% agree with everything he said, question is if he will follow through with the promises. Politicians will tell you everything you want to hear in order to get elected. Don’t trust them but also time to get rid of Justin
At least he talked this, what jt say? Clean energy, close tax “loopholes”, human right..
i would love to see a home in canada that is brand new in the $250,000 range. The brand new homes being over $700,000 is rediculous. I dont want to spent $500,000 on a home that was built 100 years ago either
21 years ago homes were $100,000 in my city, now they are more than 6x that price. Income havent matched that inflation
Amen
Already got a notice from CRA that I'll need to start paying my 2023 tax in installments. I work freelance and I don't even know how much I'll make this year. It's getting out of control.
Sounds like thats your fault.
You have your own business and couldnt show a valid estimate for taxes this year thats why. Call CRA and show them how much average you will make so they can have a gauge
You can calculate the installments based on earnings from the last 2 years years, doesnt have to be the estimate of this year. Then all will be balanced out the next year. Talk to an accountant
You have my vote
Pierre will have my vote.
An excellent speech by Polivre
Wake up! He does not act on anything he says. Just more blah blah blah
He can’t act because his job is to highlight the flaws and offer solutions to the PM - who has the power to change things. He’d have the power needed for change if elected for PM.
@@wendymckee2014 Oh and I'll bet you think True-hoe and Singh are great leaders. LOLOL
every single province wants there to be harsher bail regulations. he isn't wrong.
How does a province have a desire? That's like the sky having a wish.
The crime in Toronto is the same violent offenders over and over. Trudeau is trying to take firearms from law abiding citizens while at THE SAME TIME doing away with minimum sentencing for gun crimes and making a revolving door policy for criminals to stay on the streets. Nothing in the gun bill addressed the 99% of gun crime committed with illegal guns smuggled into Canada from the USA. Stopping crime is hard. Trudeau doesn't do hard, he does theatre. IT'S FKING INSANE.
Hey Pierre how about a raise for the generation that built the CPP which is now worth a half a trillion dollars Instead of getting $700.00 a month a raise to $1,500.00 would be appropriate.After all look a the raise MPs get yearly.
They {Conservative] did not care about our Veterans why do you think they would care about the little guy
The generation that built the CPP are in their 90s
LMAO huh? How old are you sir.
Not our fault you didn't save when a house cost you 11 raspberries.
@@burntearth85 😂😂😂😂
Pierre for PM 💙
Vote NDP for better 🇨🇦.
@@goolsen5630 Vote NDP for a puppy that just licks Trudeau's feet
@@goolsen5630 How? If he with Liberals.?
If anything, Trudeau will tack on 5 new taxes in the new budget and then ask you to cancel your Netflix subscription to pay said taxes
Cancel Netflix anyhow.
Less taxes and leave the money in people's pockets and the economy will turn around very quickly.
So you are prepared ti start paying for your own healthcare? How about not getting a pension? Thats what lower taxes means. And if you have to start paying corporations for these things you will be paying so much more and getting so much less.
Our country needs open communication and 100% transparency with all levels of government that’s where I would start we have had years of corruption time to take a new approach give honesty a try.
Thank you for caring and making the positive difference we need!
How about we reward workers but taxing the rich that have been hoarding the profits and use that to fund our failing Healthcare and education systems. 🤔
How about you read just how much the rich are already taxed in this country! You're not seeing the benefits of the high tax rates the rich are paying due to the fact that this country is being run by a literal imbecile who is spending MORE than WE can afford to.
the health and education systems have enough funding.
problem is the federal government holding it back against provinces, unless they comply with the liberals social policies.
mass immigration this 10yrs, hasnt helped sincebour systems are designed for 200k immigrants a year, not 500k+.
essentially the problem is the trudeau liberals, not the rich.
90% of tax revenues come from the top 10%, steal their money, they will leave.
as i would also
@@robdavidson2569 Top 10% also own 40% of the wealth
And 10% of their income is gonna hurt them a lot less than 10% of thr income of someone living paycheck to paycheck
@@TheAircool1 so our solution is to steal from them?
seems backwards and fukd up, i want no part of it.
why not hold the government, whos policies created this mess, accountable?
jan gas bill 498 -100 for the gas the rest taxes need say anymore
Just wait till no gas all electric is here lol peopl are dumb electric will be way more expensive
Pay so much taxes but I got no family doctor, can’t afford a house ($2k rent) can’t save more than $200 a month. Family income of $120,000. This country is broke.
I live on a hell of a lot less than that and live in a house and drive a car. What are you spending money on? Booze, beer and cigarettes. ?
You know you can check health Canada for all your local family physicians locations and contact information to find a family doctor, right? And if you need to pay $2k for rent, you're literally losing money each month. Just don't live in metropolitan areas if you're not making over $200k income, cause it's impossible to save any money like that.
That's more of a money handling knowledge problem than actual taxes problem.
Get an apartment then
I want out
Tax cuts are not in the Liberal vocabulary .
Time to stop blaming it on inflation and start blaming it on greed!
If canadians can't afford to eat we sure as hell shouldn't be paying for groceries for Trudeau or any big earning politicians for that matter!
Truduea pays for all his groceries
@@ryanradcliffe9756 I would hope so, seeing as how his net worth is 120 million cad
@@JarJars_Bathwater show me the source were you got his net worth is 120 million?
@@ryanradcliffe9756 Hey fan boy.
@@ryanradcliffe9756 who the hell do think pays the idiots salary????🤦🏻
my land tax goes up each year, im 55, so when i retire in 10 years, i will be paying over 500 per month for land tax, then add a mortgage, power, water, sewer, insurance and medication. I won't be in my house when i retire, I just can't afford to.
My wife and I have been fortunate enough to both seen raises over the past few years since the start of the pandemic within our careers. Despite that, we have been brutalized within our own savings from the increase in grocery bills, energy, utilities, etc. This isn’t sustainable for our future as we attempt to tread water with higher interest rates. We are done with Trudeau and need a change in leadership ASAP!
I agree time to open up our resources that Trudeau shut down
Calling on Pierre and the Conservatives to force big business to aknowledge their role in our broken systems. Big gov isn't the only problem.
Put a cap on profitability will stop these capitalists from taking over the society
or they put the amount that they do tax automatically in our TFSA accounts. Similar to what Singapore went through to ensure every working person had savings to get housing.
Haha taxing corporations is the opposite of what conservatives are all about
Does that sentence begin with "There's no point in..."?
You’re asking a conservative to not support big business? Do you even know politics?
I want to know why the cra employees who committed fraud and embezzlement by claiming cerb while working only got fired and not sent to the authorities for charges when 12,000 normal Canadians did
Cut transaction cost on real estate : 1% for each realtor instead of 2.5% for each. It’s ridiculous that we have to pay realtors 50,000$ on a 1 million dollar house .
LOL.
You dont need a realtor to sell or buy.
Don't use a realtor.
It’s ridiculous you can sell a home for a million dollars.
@@Trythis837 No, its just reality.
that is a private transaction which you are free not to use. If you want to do something protest land transfer taxes or the raising of property taxes
He answered more questions directly in this one interview than Trudeau has in 8 years .
Yeah I’ve noticed myself skipping meals because food is just so flipping expensive
Thank a LIberal.
We are actually going to finally get a budget? Amazing!
It happens once a year. With an update in the fall...
@@MomopilotCool Except when the current LPC government decides against having a budget. Like the missing 2020-2021 budget.
@@OldWolf1933 they produced both 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 for the 2021-2022 fiscal year. It’s not missing, stop trying to push misinformation.
don't worry, it's going to balance itself.
the budget that balances itself is NOT a budget LMFAOO
Wooooo you are my favorite Pierre 😍 ❤️
The property tax, water bills, natural gas and electricity bills follow by the inflation going up from 5 to 20% that is crazy Carbon tax alone on house heating cost extra $50 a month plus HST a tax on top of 13% tax why? Property tax went up every year why?
Make Canada The True North Strong &Free Country Again 🙏🏽☮️💕🇨🇦
Ya he's right about that
🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦 I like what PP says buddy votes against every NDP motion that would fix all this
How many 'average' workers received anything from Harper? Remember who was Harper's 'attack dog'!!!
Harper took from the wealthy and gave to the poor. JT steals from everyone he can.
Not me!!
And now you have even less. Move to Venezuela or Cuba.
Abolish corporate tax. You will save endless amounts of money on paperwork and corporate taxes is the just government double dipping on income/sales tax. It's useless. Delete it. It's crippling the economy.
How about a pay raise for seniors under 75 ,is that so hard to do...sickening !!
Yes yes you seniors only advocate for yourselves.
@@mr.ashenfire2624 hope you don't get treated so badly when you are older.
The nodding Sikh - yes, yes... lol.
@@ryanf2501 This guy's never Bramptoned
I’m seeing a 25% increase in the length of shift worked in my previous job yet somehow the the paycheque has not grown by this much.
Blame the CRA. We have to defund those useless I diots
I had a paycheque gross pay 4600 only 2600 ended up in my bank account. Where did the other 2000 go to?!! Canadians need answers we need answers working canadians cant be intimidated implement tax cut for wirkers! JT MUST GO!
I really hope Liberal voters see this and not blindly vote for JT. Its impacting EVERYONE
I hope Conservatives remember how the the conservatives like to cut programs how they want to privatize everything as nova scaotia how privatize is workout for nS power
Conservatives aren't gonna lower taxes
@@momtur4875 bigger more inefficient government is not the answer. Our healthcare system is horrible. When you let government control everything you pay more taxes and get horrible service in return.
@@Mooseflows you want horrible, go one country south. Backrupcy and death is horrible. We just need to stop neo cons from wrecking everything and fix our own system.
@@ryanradcliffe9756 They did before.
I really like this one, might switch from Liberal to Conservative! That's why I do not do overtime because of the tax.
That's banal, you'd need to be making over 200k before income tax becomes your tax becomes over 50 percent
Yup same literally have no reason to do overtime cause it's not worth it
Me too.
Why do you need to do overtime? Think about that. So you’d rather work yourself into the ground instead of say, push for better pay and affordability?
Might switch to Conservative?…OMG..you all should have seen that years ago!!
We Canadians need to see prices for food go down, butter eggs cheese, rice flour vegetables fruits every thing is very high it is ridiculous, the government needs to take action about high food prices.
All the healthy important things are the MOST expensive.
I agree my life and family was better 8 yrs ago.
Tax cuts == austerity. That will just make inequality worse.
So, Pierre. I have degrees in economics and law. Please cite the last time that Reaganistic ‘trickle ANYwhere’ theories *actually* worked in practice for the benefit of the working class. Just one glorious example will do. We’ll wait.
22 Billion in consultants. This is wack
Oh wow save a few 100$ a year, that will fix everything.
It will help save up for that down payment in 100 years.
I would say bail reform itself probably would save Canadians money on court costs if repeat offenders are stopped.
I think aiming to actually help the 40 offenders. Money well spent is money earned. Would influence younger generations positively
Pierre for PM
I think you are to old to work also remember when he help close the Veterans Centers or do you have dementia
@@momtur4875 too*
@@momtur4875 How kind
I am 1 in five, no money no weekends out, 40 hours of work a week. Less food in the fridge
Tax cuts are just a gift for the rich.
And that’s exactly who the angry squirrel works for.
“Tax cuts, money for everyone!” This country will never get outta debt . Smh.
Ha! You think we ever intended on paying it?
@@sellingadvil9844 nope but when a politician uses “national debt” as a talking point, I don’t listen to a word they have to say. They never address it.
How about rewarding workers with HIGHER wages?!!
No one can force corporations to do that furthermore most companies are privately owned or international so impossible
@@msmichelle2196 why can't we force corporations to pay higher wages?
Workers are free to form unions to negotiate better wages. Do something for yourself stop depending on the government.
One trick pony said what?
I retired after Trudeau made it uneconomical to keep working. From his increasing every tax he could possibly raise (income tax, carbon tax, alcohol tax etc. etc. etc.) to the fact that any money I made came off my pension (which, after he taxed back my CPP and then took more off the OAP that was supposed to buttress that) and added a two year penalty for any income I brought in. When anything I earn penalizes my for two years after I earn it, I ain't working for the government.
trudeau raised the higher end of brackets such that your income is actually taxed less. carbon tax is how much? a few hundred per year. of course your pensions are taxed. they are income
Canada's tax rates are too high and the tax system sucks. You should look to Australia's which is much lower than Canada's let alone Australia has higher hourly rate. Canada even punish low income working class by putting heavy tax on them and push them to a point where they struggle to make ends meet.
When you add in the cost of the medical system insurance premiums in these countries with alleged lower taxes, we are better off.
How is that "punishment"? It pays for everything you take for granted.
@@burntearth85 Does the truth hurt you so much? Anyway, I don’t care you defending your government or party. But I never had the privilege of letting the government paying for “everything” for me like food , clothing, gas, rents and laptops. I paid everything with my hard work. Maybe the liberal government paid you everything with taxpayers’ money like mine, that’s why you take it for granted that everyone is like you and we should bow down before politicians and be grateful every minute without any complaints. Also, take back your disgusting bossy tone and keep it in your own home.
I hope you save this nation and all Canadians prosper in this blessed land
says who has not been worked in a regular job and was being paid MP salary since like 2004 lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Get rid of the Carbon tax!!! It's a useless tax!!! It does NOTHING for carbon prints, NOTHING!!
Its only purpose is to enrich the federal government.
Wants to give tax cuts to the hard workers so they’ll have more money to pay for basic health care and private school education. Inflation continues to affect the whole world, is Justin responsible for every country’s inflation or does Pierre have no clue how the world works?
Pierre has no clue , has never had a job, he is 100% taxpayer funded he even lives rent free!
Inflation is a monetary phenomenon.
When the money supply is increased, the value of the dollar decreases. Thus losing purchasing power. This is economics 101.
Pierre is actually quite well versed in this topic. Guy knows his finances.
I wish Pontiac and the Ottawa were still here :(
As if tax cuts are going to make it so I can actually afford just a bachelor pad, yeah right. 19 an hour, 40 hours a week, and I still can't afford to live alone.
Keep voting trudeau then 😂😂
With current tax rates, you do not make $19/hr. You make $14/hr take home. A 5% drop in the tax rate would bring that up to $15/hr for an extra $160/month. That's $8,000/yr
economics 101 when they build more dwellings the rent prices come down
Albertan corporations still pay carbon tax its $50/ton
And then they pass it on to the customer so is it really hurting them?
And I get a carbon tax rebate check 2 times a year and you do too.
@@trentriver exactly!
And yet they still are yielding record profits. All that tells me is they need to be taxed more.
Cancel politicians pay raises too🤬
I am not Canadian, but I really hope Poilievre becomes the next prime minister 🙏🙏🙏
We got to stop our taxes for paying illegals
I go one step further stop immigration altogether for at least 10 years and start sending millions back. The ones who do not work or pay taxes.
@@erics9754 lmao send millions back? There aren’t millions to send back.
@@DannyPluto. it means something a bit racist.
What's an "illegal"? Who pays them?
No we get punishment for being a worken class
How about making it easier for workers to unionize and thereby improve their wages and working conditions? So maybe they can actually buy and house and raise a family like their unionized parents and grandparents did?
This is because JT is all about Justinflation!
small and medium size entrepreneurs efforts directed towards making canada formidable must be appropriately rewarded and encouraged so they get motivated and their subsequent motivation helps economy becoming thriving and not just at the edge of sustaining
Seniors have been living on exactly the same income in spite of the fact that prizes for everything have gone up which means they are much poorer now than they were before. Do the Conservatives propose to raise senior's pensions to the level it was worth before hyperinflation or will seniors be forgotten?
JT doesn't care. He's got money his parents handed over. Never had to fill an oil tank to heat a house.
This guy loves to blame others for the problems hes not gonna fix
So true.
@charles BINGO!
keep on puffing bro
@@jacobm92 smoke weed everyday!
@@theflowpowa42oshow Im sure your mental facilities are just fine
Pierre Poilievre for Prime Minister! 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Vote NDP for better 🇨🇦
@@goolsen5630 ndp is helping the liberals! No thanks!
Personally, I don't know who the heck he's talking about??? I don't know anybody making $60,000 a year, let alone a single mother! Talk about out of touch.
I haven't ate in 2 days... Waiting for my insurance to come out so I can eat..
Oh, how I crave fiscal sanity for our country… And other types of sanity that have been lacking in the past few years :-).