NHL Prospects That Were WAY TOO GOOD To Be True
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Twitter
/ robtalkshockey
In today's video we go over Jordan Shroeder, Dane Fox, Ty Rattie, Nic Petan, Brendan Leipsic, and Jacques Goyette's development journeys.
NEW MUSIC
Ryli | / rylimusic
/ @rylimusic1141
Lakey | / lakeyinspired
All of my videos are edited following the "Free Use" Guideline of TH-cam as well as the Canadian and United States copyright acts. - กีฬา
Has your team had a prospect that was "too good to be true"?
Andrej mezaros Ottawa
Nolan Patrick! It sucks looking at the players we could have had like Petterson and makar and how they have developed. Hopefully the flyers use him in a trade for some defence however.
Johnathan Drouin tbh
Angelo Esposito
Definitely concerned about Rossi’s size and the level of competition he’s faced. But we’ll see. His stats last year were just absurd
In junior Mario Lemieux turned Jacques Goyette into a 70 goal 170 point player. At the NHL level, Lemieux turned Rob Brown into a 49 goal 115 point player.
In 68 games!
Gretzky turned Nicholls to a 70 goal scorer 😂
Connor bedard is turning into one of those prospects. Currently leads the whl in scoring with 19 points in 10 games. Oh yeah and hes only 15
He’s gonna be a top-10 player in the NHL one day he’s that good
@@geraldrichards540 generational talent, his production right now as a CHL underage is nearly double what mcdavid had 🤯
@@geraldrichards540 nah top 5
@@ISB97 At least, only 15 years old playing in the lowest scoring CHL league traditionally. He’s gonna unreal.
He's#1 in our prospect ranking platform.
Do a: Players who became great after being picked up on waivers
Paul byron
Toffoli
Gustav Forsling
Instead of suggesting someone I’ll give credit where it’s due. Good choice!
@@69isgayshit47”sighs in flames language”
The fact Yakupov wasn’t mentioned hurts my soul...
yakupov probably needs his own entire video on his epic collapse.
@@kalmah2112 theirs many videos that he mentions his name 😂
@@kalmah2112 granted that was an extremely weak draft year. That said, the oilers didn't make a "mistake" drafting him because he was absolutely the consensus number one overall pick which means almost everybody in the hockey world got that one dead wrong outside of Brian Burke who said he would've taken Morgan Rielley first overall, and he has been the best player taken near the top of the draft.
7:10 I played against Dane Fox in minor hockey, and he was the best player I had ever seen. We would lose 7-1 and he would score 6 of the goals. And he was undersized, playing a year up, with a late bday to begin with. Off ice troubles and injuries were his biggest detriment. He is also TJ Brodies cousin.
Is this a joke? You knew him or am i just gullible?
@@romanwasyluszko5790 I played against him, his team was our biggest rival. He lived about an hour away
That lemieux kid was solid in the minors... sadly he never became anything special.
That Leewi guy was funny in the comment sections......
I think Lemieux was only a few days from being old enough for the draft the year before. He definitely should have been playing NHL that year lol
I haven‘t given up on him yet, he can still make it
@@Milliardo66 hes like 50 years
@@PZYK0PATH woooosh
Correy Locke with Ottawa 67s in 02-03 had an incredible 63 goals 151 points in 66 games followed up by a 118 point season. But yet only managed 9 NHL games.
Was gonna mention Locke. to be fair, his bad skating was recognized, that‘s why he got picked much later than a player with these stats would normally go
Jonathan Drouin. He benefitted greatly from playing on MacKinnon's line in the CHL, and he's never been able to reach the star potential that so many people thought he had
He was just as good if not better the year after Nathan left.
True but at least compared to the other players here, he’s established himself as a decent top 6 forward in the nhl. He has disappointed from what was expected of him but im not sure if it would be fair to call him a flat out bust
@@benh1026 I was spoiled. I had season tickets from ‘09 -19’ I got to watch some amazing hockey
Qmjhl to be exact
Their other linemate Martin Frk is a better example of someone who benefited from great linemates. Sure he's been up and down from the NHL and yes he recorded the hardest slapshot ever recorded at the one AHL allstar game but for a guy who put up 84 points in 56 games his final year with Halifax he certainly isn't a guy I heard anyone talking about these days
Being a canucks fan I love seeing how every second player on this list was either picked or played for them at some point
Reid Boucher
120 points in 64 games in 08/09 - 18U AAA
95 points in 68 games in 13/14 for the Sarnia Sting - Outperforming Bo Horvat, Galchenyuk, Strome, Domi, Monahan, Scheifele, Athanasiou, and even the legend himself Connor McDavid
This season he's had a 24 goals, 48 points after 51 games in the KHL which isnt bad at all. He needs a real chance in the NHL in my opinion. Last year he was also a stud in the AHL with 34 goals, 67 points in 53 games
@@Gufrion37 Personally I'm just convinced that the Devils suck at developing prospects. The last actual player that we drafted which had star player success was Zach Parise back in 2003. Blackwood and Ty Smith are showing potential but its still too early to tell.
Surprised you didn’t talk about Strome after bringing up the “McDavid effect” but even more so DeBrincat after the way you talked about Caufield, and especially since they all have ties to one another😂
He isn't a bust though
@@bsbmakesmesmile84 Sort of was... they traded him for a middle six center. Pick after him was Mitch Marner... and if the Coyotes had any brains that year, they'd have taken Marner in knowing that Strome was on a bit of a stacked team.
Funny thing about that year is that if Matthews had have been a day older, that whole 2015 draft would have been turned onto its head.
Man this video brought back some memories.. early 2010s, barely legal enough to drink brink beer and watching that winterhawks team at the collosium..
Those where the days 🥲
Ty rattie Brendan leispec nic petan Taylor peters chase del rio God that 2011 to 2014 where such a dominant time
Living in Calgary and watching Brad Moran and Pavel Brendl for the Hitmen. They were elite in junior and fizzled in the show.
Brendel was a goal scoring machine who just couldn’t do it at the NHL level. Although scouting was a lot less accurate back in the day, I think today his flaws would have been recognized
I was gonna say Brendl, I still remember the trade that sent him to the Hitman from the Raiders
I can tell you now that there is gonna be on of these kinds of players on Connor bedards team when he gets drafted
Bruh only 50k, you should have at least 1 mil. Great content, really enjoy the videos.
Thanks my man!!
A prospect similar to Caufield in that sense would be Marc Savard. In his draft year of 1995 he scored 43 goals and 96 assists in just 66 games but because he was a 5’10 center he wasn’t drafted until the 4th round 91st overall
Sss
T
Ryan Poehling for the Habs. Big Centre who can score seemed like he could finally be the #1 centre the Habs have been looking for for so long. Lead the world juniors in scoring, then had a hat trick in his first career game. He hasn’t even been close to reaching the same level since
Sure you can say that. But his development outweighs anything. The Habs don't need another Galchenyuk situation where we rushed a "too good to be true" prospect at the NHL level. Poehling has 15pts in 20gp in the AHL and is leading the team in TOI. Look for Poehling to be middle-6 Centreman shortly for the Habs on a DEEP center depth.
Poehling and Jordan Weal are tearing up the AHL right now, they just won’t be back this season because habs have too much depth. Next season after the expansion they’ll definitely be back though.
Welp
I literally shook my head in disbelief when I seen Mario's 282 points in 70 games. What the actual eff is going on here?! 🤣🤣
He was too young for the draft the year before. He should have been in the NHL. Probably would have went a point a game or more
he's one of the best hockey player ever, makes sense
@@mathieuruest-pinard9475 *the best
@@JS-311 Mario is the best considering all the time he lost to injuries.
lemieux was otherworldly good, as good as gretzky imo. even at the end of his career when other superstars could crack a point/game maybe in their best year, he avg'd well above that until his last two injury riddled seasons. i don't believe any player since he retired has come close to his level of play.
Glad I found your channel, man. Appreciate your research and knowledge… dig your content! Keep it up, brother! 🏒🥅🚨👊🏻
My pick for Junior bust: Zach O'Brien from the Q.
How about a "Best AHLers who never stuck it in the NHL" video 🤔🤔
Its so weird that You talked about Jordan Schroeder went to my high school and seeing that in this video was a surprise but welcomed
At least, most of these guys end up at least playing hockey for a living. That’s pretty awesome in my book
I 100% agree with that
Caufield, maybe. I loved how you managed to squeeze the extra part in about caufield.
Great Video, you get better every time!
Thank you for the continued support (:
thanks for the content rob !! great as usual ! cant wait for caufield !!
Thanks my dude!
Jonathon Drouin. Mackinnon and Ehlers helped that kid shine in the juniors but he never has had that “breakout” year we were all expecting. I was so excited we got him in Tampa Bay only to watch it spiral downhill. Plus side of it all is Steve Y and his wizardry to get Sergachev who then proved to be a key part in our cup run and to our roster in Tampa.
Aww man cold ones and watch this guy's vids all day would be a treat I wouldn't remember any of it but I'd bloody enjoy it
Simon Gamache dominated the QMJHL in 2001 (184 pts) and did next to nothing in the nhl.
*Winterhawks fan, who went to that Mastercard Cup, where they lost to Halifax in the finals. Team looked great, but didn't have the heart. Still really like Bjorkstrand.*
I remember when you were at 5k subs. And streaming on twitch.Now your almost at 50k Subs!!
Isaac Belliveau playing with Alexis Lafreniere in 19-20 in the Q(he played on PP1 with him too). He had 11 goals and 53 points in 62 games as a D-man.
He was projected to be a 1st round pick and then fell back to Earth the next season with out Lafreniere and dropped to the Pens in the 5th round.
Caufield is literally DeBrincat 2.0
Nick Robertson as well!
He seemed to struggle at the world juniors.
I found it weird he didn’t mention him
I'll believe it when I see it. I literally brushed DeBrincat off every year in junior. But he scored 51, 51 & 65 in his three years of junior with Erie. He was money in the OHL. His scoring has transferred to the big leagues. Caulfield is still a work in progress.
I really hope Caufield is an impact player for Montreal! Go Habs!
Seems to be working since u guys are in the semi finals I mean yes maybe Carey price is carrying u guys but Caufield is playing very well for a rookie
love the content Rob
Kyle Maksimovich 71 points in 68 games, went undrafted currently playing for no one
Hunter shinkaruk drafted in 2013 1rd 24th overall put up 49 goals 91 pts in 66 WHL games in 11-12 then in 12-13 put up 37 goals 86 pts in 64 games to play 15 games in the NHL and only to put up 4 points
I knew that guy was a bust because as a Devils fan in the forums, they're all comparing this guy to Zach Parise and wanted Jersey to draft him at 9th... I told them he gets all his goals the same way - was nowhere close to Parise - and won't get away with what he was doing on the NHL level.
I wasn't right about all the prospects, but I was right about him. But NJ ended up trading that pick for Schneider and the Nucks drafted Horvat with it... probably a pretty good deal for Vancouver.
Chris Gratton of the Kingston Frontenacs was a complete beast!!! Not so much after he was drafted to the Big Leagues. He and Keli Corpse played together in the OHL and tore up the entire league. Watching them in person as a young kid was nothing short of freaky! I don’t have their stats on hand, however it felt like going to see Gretzky and Kurri together in junior.
Surprised yakupov wasn’t on this list. He was great and fun to watch on the Sarnia Sting.
Tomas Jurco wasn’t points crazy like them but he was so hyped for so long and just never panned out. He was super talented too, he just couldn’t translate it to nhl productivity. As a younger wings fan, that’s the closest one from my team that I can remember off the top of my head 😂
Dany Roussin, Crosby’s linemate in Rimouski put up nearly 2 points/game two seasons in a row. Also was one of those guys that was drafted twice in the NHL draft. Didn’t matter, never played a game.
The 2014 Memorial Cup-winning Edmonton Oil Kings suffered nearly the same fate as the Winterhawks. Henrik Samuelsson, Curtis Lazar, and Griffin Reinhart were WHL studs, but they all busted at the pro level.
Rob Schremp. Edmonton Oilers 25 pick first round
2003-2004 London Knights OHL 60GP 28/41/69PTS draft year. Played with Corey Perry 66GP 40/73/113PTS. Other notables are Dave Bolland F. 67PTS. Dennis Wideman D. 65PTS. Rob played two more seasons with the Knights with 304PTS. Best season 57GP 57/88/145PTS. Played 7GP 3PTS with oilers. Traded to the Islanders 89GP with 47PTS. He never panned out in the NHL because of his lack of defense. -26.
Can’t help but think of Emerson Etem. Scored 60+ goals one year in the WHL and was on the rise in Anaheim. Unfortunately, a serious knee injury suffered in a preseason game took away his game breaking speed.
Rob Schremp, Daniel Tkaczuk, Hugh Jessiman and Pavel Brendl
Lookup Jan Caloun. Former San Jose Sharks prospect from the Czech Republic. Scored 4 goals on his first 4 shots in the NHL. Natural goal scorer. Scored a ton in the IHL. Never found success or stuck in the NHL…despite scoring 11 points (8g/3a) in only 13 games. 🤷♂️
Pavel Brendl drafted 4th overall by the NYR in 1999. in Juniors Brendl absolutely destroyed the completion in the WHL. he was far and away the best goal scorer in the WHL. dude had back to back seasons where he scored 73 and 59 goals. had 134 and 111 points respectively on the Calgary Hitmen. Yet he only played 78 games in the NHL and had 22 points in his career. 11 goals 11 assists.
This happens a lot though. Take Darcy Tucker, for example. He had 89, 140 and 137 point seasons in the WHL and had a 93 point season in the AHL. Despite this he was still drafted 151st overall and became a scrappy grinder with a bit of offensive upside.
Everyone thought debrincat would be here when he was drafted. He played with McDavid and Dylan strome. And he’s sub 6’0 glad to see he’s been so good in the nhl
Cole caufield is probably one of my fav players atm. God damn kids owning the playoffs for mtl and I couldn't be happier
Seen Brayden Point play with the Warriors was super good .
Dmitry Zavgorodniy. Last year he put up 67 points in 40 games on Rimouski Oceanic (playing with Lafreniere). This year he barely made the flames ahl team, and left for russia already this year
check Patrice Lefebvre in the QMJHL. The dude had seasons of 80 pts, 136 pts, 179 pts, and 200 pts in his junior years. He played with Stephan Lebeau. His biggest problem is that he was 5'6''. Only played 3 games in the NHL with the Caps. He still managed to burn every league he played in the minors afterward.
if you look past through history the only small guys that excelled were built like fire-hydrants; dionne, st.louis, fleury, gionta. its tough to play hitting hockey against big guys day in day out. remember brule with the giants ? he was an unbelievable talent and a wrecking ball. but he tried that at the nhl level where the guys are just bigger; 3" inches taller and 15-20 lbs. heavier avg.. it just broke him - literally. guys like gaudreau are rarer than flawless pink diamonds.
I saw Brule with the Giants on a conditioning stint after getting injured in the NHL and he was far and away the best player on the ice. It wasn't even close.
Tomas Jurco. Kid was amazing at Saint John. Never quite became a Top 6 guy at the NHL level.
Simon Gamache anyone? 184 points in his last season broke Lemieux‘ play-off scoring record. Get that, he scored an unbelievable 57 points in a single playoff run, wrap your head around that. He was small and. or the greatest players, but an insane scoring touch, yet he was the 4 to last player taken in the entire 2000 draft 290th pick, 9th round. Dominated every league he ever played in except the NHL, only managed to play 48 games there (13 points)
Martin Frk comes to mind. Played with Mackinnon and Drouin right? Confirmation needed on that one.
Justin Azevedo….. he won CHL MVP in 2007/08 for the Kitchener Rangers and led them almost to a memorial cup title
I doubt that Curtis Lazar would have been drafted as high as he was if he hadn't played on McDavid's line during the world juniors.
The difference between WHL, college and the NHL are completely different. So all of the stats shouldn't matter until the player actually makes it to the NHL. It also matters who the coach puts you with in the lineup, that's huge!
Dany Roussin, Crosby's linemate in Rimouski. 117 points in 03-04
Do a video of NHL teams with only players from the area of each team.
Your videos are really good.
Bruh dude
Really Grass
@@AliHassan-bj2ip rob is the goat
@@Grassss Yeah him and Ohnyquist the goats
YESSS A RTH VIDEO YESSSS
Let’s get robtalkshockey to 50k subs
Early 2010s Kamloops Blazers guys like Brendan Ranford, Colin Smith, JC Lipon etc. Same situation as Portland basically
I too was a passenger on the Jordan Schroeder hype train
its a bit different, but as a sharks fan jumbo joe got so many players overpaid after playing along side him. dude turned 4 line plugs into 35 goal machines
Jumbo Joe made it seem like it wasn’t so bad drafting Setoguchi over Kopitar 😅
I can vividly remember the Jets drafting Petan and thinking we just got the steak of the century
That steak of the century sounding pretty good
Toss a nod into Tyler Johnson. Kid led the WHL in goals a year and got playoff MVP in his Mem Cup year. Was mad after at not getting any looks by the nhl so his dad made him finish his last year juniors and just have fun which he did and proceeded to tear it up. He then went on to get a tryout with Tampa which he took and is now a Crucial second line centre man on a Stanley cup roster.
Cole Caufield was other worldly this year in the NCAA
Eric Lindros heavily boosted Rob Pearson's stats in their final year of junior. Moving forward, Pearson without Lindros was mortal after all.
you know who else was past on for being small. Debrincat, he had a rough season last year but he's back on track now.
Also Yamamoto
Look up Brian Sakic. He has the WHL assist and point record, never played a single NHL game.
We have seen a guy like Cole Caufield in a minute. His name is Alex DeBrincat who currently has 19 goals in 35 games and already has a 40 goal year in his belt. Caufield will do just fine. But DeBrincat was even further disrespected enough to go to the second round and go to my Chicago Blackhawks. Thanks other GMs!
No mention of the great yakapov? Buddy was scoring more than stamkos I think. All this hype for him to slide across the ice on a tying goal in a pre-season game and dip😂😂😂
Shane Gersich. Caps fans were way too hyped when he made the 2018 playoff roster, turns out his numbers in NCAA were just from being linemates with Boeser
Growing up in Edmonton I hated the Winterhawks because the Edmonton Oil Kings would meet them in the finals 3 years in a row and having season tickets for the Oil king we only get to see them come to town every second year unless the finals. I remember going to games and going wow that is a good team but I always thought from the 2011-12 to the 2013-14 season the Oil Kings were the best team in the WHL with the Winterhawks a close second.
Nail Yakapov with the sarnia sting
Not the most mind blowing stats but a guy I played men's league against once one summer Dakota Conroy put up 56 points in 67 games and 61 points in 66 games with the PA Raiders playing alongside his linemate, some guy named Leon Draisaitl. After Drai left he was sent down from WHL to BCHL after only putting up 2 points in 10 games. Apparently he's now playing in the NorthPHL, whatever that is. Incase anyone is wondering how the men's league game went well he scored four goals on us but we still won 7-6 even though we were missing our only player with WHL experience, and I had a goal and an assist
That doesn't fit the NHL team having a prospect part but still a case of a guy who was on the right team at the right time and benefited from having a good linemate
Emerson Etem has 61 goals in 65 games for Medicine Hat Tigers in 2011/12. Late 1st round pick only had 46 points over 6 NHL season. Was too bad, the kid has serious wheel just could not finish in the nhl.
I think Seth Jones ended up being a roster player.
Most people expect Caulfield to be a very good player. Many of the players you mentioned came with warning signs over off ice things, not being team players or being one dementional. The Vancouver Giants had a guy named Adam Courchaine who had great stats, until you saw him play and then you understand why he only played in Europe,
Maxime Boisclair, 70 goals and 130 points in 70 games as an over ager, scored 1 goal and 0 assists in the 17 AHL games he got. to be fair, he never got drafted despite having a bomb of a shot
Angelo Esposito came right to mind
Even after his plummet from duh #1 overall, still felt like an absolute steal at 20....oops
Dryden hunt played in Moose Jaw and he put up like 5 hat tricks in 7 games and now I don’t know where he plays
Ramzi Abid anyone? 68 games, 50 goals and 85 assists for 135 points in his draft year and not riding shotgun to a star. Then as an over aber, 72 games, 67 goals, 91 assists for 158 points. Got drafted twice, 2nd and 3rd round. Decent AHL player, completely sucked at the NHL level and went to Europe at the age of 26.
In 2012-2013 Mackinon and Drouin made Zachary fucale and elite goalie as well
Playing style matters too, Portland as an example. Players who play at a top level for years, they normally do very well at the NHL.
5’6" Patrice Lefebvre had incredible numbers in juniors.
Look up Corey Locke. He lit up the OHL for the 67’s, was passed over for the world juniors and never really succeeded in professional play beyond a couple decent AHL seasons
How about Evan Rodrigues in 14-15 at Boston U playing with Eichel. He had 21 goals and 61 points in 41 NCAA games.
Liked and subscribed
If Caufield was 6'2, he'd have gone 1st overall.
Rob I think it’s time you make a video on Bedard
alexandre daigle. Surprised he wasn’t mentioned in this vid!
1:19 BOGO NORRIS
Nail Yakupov fits the bill for this
Not a guarantee to be a flop yet, but I was convinced Aleksi Heponiemi was going to be a PPG in the NHL. Kid had 118 Point and 90 Assists in 57 WHL games.
Gotta be Michael Dal Colle, who had 10 pts in 60 games last year
Bryan Fogarty - long time ago but no one was better than him in junior. Look him up.