What to do if you're pulled over by the police
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I WAS ONCE PULLED OVER BY POLICE BECAUSE IT WAS "LATE" - GONE 11PM. In my rural area we had our weekly mid-week music night where we'd perform. I was in my early middle age and I was the designated driver that week. I'd dropped the others off and was just heading home and the police guy said he'd stopped me because it was coming up to midnight. I was polite and said I hadn't had a curfew in decades.
Twonks!
Try driving a builders van at night in London. You are gonna get pulled! And i've had officers say to me 'why am i driving at night', to which i reply i'm nocturnal, that throws them every time.
@@tilerman Good one! My neighbour had a cat whose bottom kept getting constipated (this is a real story, I couldn't invent this) and sometimes if the cat was driven around then it would do its business. Midnight my neighbour calls me, the cat is yowling in agony, can I drive her and the cat around to see if it will do the trick. I did. If only w'd been pulled over on that occasion it would have been priceless! 😂
@@Rieshi24 Ooh, how judgmental are you? You presume so much about my area, what we want and how we organise. Your assumptions are wrong for where I live. Now go away and be silly with someone else.
Being stopped by the police all the time is one of the many reasons I gave up delivery driving for Domino's. I suspect being a person in a cap driving around in a small hatchback at all hours was enough for them to pick on me but it got so aggressive that it interfered with me doing my job a short time after which I quit.
Some magnetic Domino's signs on the side of your car might have speeded things up...
The old checking it is insured for business ploy
I got pulled every week for 2 years. I treat them with utter distain.
All I get is lies and bad attitude. The nicer you are, the more they bully you because they take you for soft.
They have forgotten to deal with criminals. They have made the general public the new enemy.
That might well be because so many Domino's delivery drivers/riders drive so badly, and because so many use it as a cover for drug dealing.
@@tlangdon12 they only offer a sign that magnetically sticks to your roof like a driving instructor and is known to damage the paint, it also adds quite a bit of weight and causes drag to the point some other drivers were getting less MPG in their already frugal 1.2 fiestas.
I've always played the high risk/high reward card of brutal, yet respectful honesty. I've admitted 80 in a 70, 50 in a 30 and 100 in a 60 over the years and was always let go with a warning. Not recommending it but I felt that the officers I dealt with would be receptive to not having the wool pulled over their eyes, and it worked.
What happened in those instances. I got stopped for doing 45 in a 30 and they said I cut a red light but they didnt mention a fine he just said slow down. So I dont know if I'll get a fine or not.
@@shoaib0210they would’ve issued a fine there and then I’m pretty sure
I do the opposite I refuse to answer and I go to court and I’ve always won my traffic ticket cases in court.
I was stopped the day after the nationwide 50mph blanket speed limit expired after the energy crisis in the 70s (3 day week and all that). The officer had not been told that the limit had been removed and had to radio for confirmation that I was telling the truth. I was doing 60 on a dual carriageway. I resisted a gloat and went on my way.
I've found most to be ok but some just don't like to admit when they are wrong. About 10 years ago, I was driving on the Hertfordshire section of the M25 at about 60mph in the left lane & approached a land rover towing a trailer in the outside lane at around 55. It was about 10pm so was not very busy. I sat there for a while to give him a chance to move across then decided he was not going to, so dropped down a gear & floored it just long enough to get past & not exceed the speed limit. I was then pulled over by an unmarked police vehicle. They were already being obnoxious but it got more amusing:
Them: "Do you know why we've stopped you?"
Me: "Probably for passing on the left a vehicle that should not have been in the right lane in the first place"
Them: "Who said he should not have been there"
Me: "The law does. Whenever safe, he should be on the left. As officers, you should know that"
Them: "There is no such law"
Me: "Yes there is. It was passed in the early 90s. I remember reading about it soon after I passed my test"
Them: "We were going to pull him over in another 10 seconds or so"
(why were they going to do this if it was inconsistent with their earlier statement?)
Them: "What car were you driving?"
Me: "If you look at the boot lid, it says Lotus Elan. That's because it's a Lotus Elan."
(we were in the police car sitting behind it. I could read it quite clearly from the back seat, so what a stupid question!).
Them: "What would have happened if he had decided to change lanes?"
(I had dropped down a gear & had floored it. A Lotus Elan turbo is not exactly slow & the turbo had kicked in. The car towing was a Land Rover. I would have been long gone by the time it got anywhere near my lane).
Them: "We are going to charge you with driving without due care & attention."
I was looking forward to making them look foolish in court. Funnily enough, I never heard anything more.
@@TheRip72 See my question to BBB above, as to the legality of requesting/ordering you to exit your vehicle and sit in theirs - I'm not certain, but I believe they have no power to do so, under the section of the Road Traffic Act they presumably pulled you over for.
Wow. Fascinating. I bet you’re the talk of the party
Was there a blanket 50mph speed limit? 😂 explains why I found everyone driving so slowly 😅
@@johnriggs4929 oh god you sound like a sovereign citizen/common man. Yes the police can order you to sit in their vehicle. This is the UK. Not the US
In Texas, friends said "play dumb", the cops will always believe that. It works, I even made a cop laugh it worked so well. 'Oh my, I had no idea this old car could go that fast, sir!' 😎
I did much the same thing, officer- what if I told you I had to do 100mph to catch you. Me- if you can get this car up,to 100mph you are a better man than me, the engine is fucked.
There was another glaring hole in his story as well.
Works well for a woman not for a man.
@@iallso1 Many years ago my father told me of a just post WWII incident, in which the cops told a bloke he was exceeding the area limit. he said the car was not able to go as fast as the police said he was driving it. because he was sure that he had not driven that fast nor would the car get up to that speed he said the police could take the car and test it - they did, the car came back with a blown engine and the report that it could not reach the quoted speed. Made a national news paper story.
@@mebymyself2816 he might have been better off just putting his hands up and taking the small fine rather than having to pay for a new engine 😅
@@ChristopherNFP My daughter just bursts into tears - she can do this at will. It's always worked for her.
I've only ever been pulled over twice ( speeding and running a red light which I believed to be faulty)- was polite and co-operative and both times let off with no further action.
Some time ago I was stopped by two young Police officers in Rhyl, N Wales.
I politely asked why they had stopped me and they just replied routine without even looking at me.
One officer told me I had to stand by the front number plate - which I did.
The other officer opened the boot of my car without asking permission.
I asked what was going on - the officer talking to me said if I couldn't describe what was in the boot they would have the car recovered as stolen and I'd find myself waiting hours in a Police station to be interviewed.
When I described what was in the boot, they left it open and as they walked past me to their car, the passenger officer said, "We ask the questions not you".
OK - we all know from experience not all Police are like this..... but!!!!
that should be grounds for a complaint but we all know you would be wasting your time
Unfortunately, the police have changed from being our protectors to our persecutors. I used to admire them, but no longer. These useless illiterate bullies no longer deserve our admiration and certainly not our trust.
@Mr Anon 🤣
Typical of the police ion this island.
Was this some years ago? there was a chief constable who had a real down on motorists and the cops around the expressway were known as the traffic Taliban because they became with his blessing a law unto themselves.
This altered somewhat when a local man whose brother was a criminal was constantly being stopped for no good reason or logic other than as a "gotya" so he sued the chief constable and the police force for continued harassment, police went to court having asked for the judge to throw it out on the grounds they were checking up on the grounds they were keeping tabs on relatives of not a nice man, but the judge found against them issued a order for compensation and had the chief constable write an apology to the bloke plus said he would take a dim view if the police did not change its tactics. the chief constable disappeared and things along the North Welsh coast became smoother.
So, basically, if you're stopped by the police be polite. They have all the power, and don't need a reason to be unreasonable. Cross your fingers and hope that Mr Plod isn't in a bad mood. But, whatever you do, record the event. They have incredible imaginations and are wonderful at story telling.
Having been ill at work went home, had to stop on way home to again be ill. Police car pulls up and they walk towards me. Tell them to put on masks and gloves because work in decontamination, they did, they did test me, everything was ok. It was just diarrhea and vomiting. 3 days later was back at work and there was a message from police asking if i was okay.
A work colleague was stopped, almost every night, after work, and I was with him. Apparently he should not have been driving an expensive car, according to the police, who waited, each night in the same place. The pigs were open about the fact that they believed he should not have been driving an expensive vehicle. Each time the pigs went away, disappointed.
I was stopped by the patrol car and was asked why I was speeding, I told them that my wife had run off with a traffic patrol officer and I thought he was bringing her back….😂
Passing the Attitude test is always a good first move.
My, how you have come to the wrong place to give that advice.
9 times out of 10 the police fail this test
The attitude test is fine when it's the attitude to the offense. If you're "oh, rollocks. I thought it was a 50!" It's better than "why don't you go and catch real criminals" because the second one trivialises the matter.
But. Cops are human, too.
@@mrmando69 Sure - but you'd be surprised what a Smile, Please and Thank you can do - If you want to be an arsehole (and you might be justified and right to be so), the time and place to do so is in court.
Tell em to fuck off is the best move
Thank you for all your videos and advice…. Could you do one regarding someone who lives in a van,campervan,motor home and what rights do you have or you do not have,can you be searched or can you have knife, blades,work tools or axe in your van…thank you
I get the feeling that the Police are in a war with normal, everyday people and that to stop you is the first step to entrap you into something. I would like to be able to talk to a policeman who is acting as a guardian of the public, and not like being asked if I had any spare change by a mugger. Great video as always. Can you give us a 5-point list of what to say in normal circumstances so we can chant it as we drive in case we get stopped by the Police. Thank you.
You're absolutely right. I always kept myself out of trouble, but (as a victim of a crime) I had to interact with those idiots.
They tried to turn me into a criminal, because it was easier than looking for the person who committed the crime, twice on two separate occasions.
It reflects a larger trend.
Anarcho Capitalism: Fleece the taxpayers.
BBB, what you are entitled to..and what you get..are two VERY different things.
Be nice. Smile and flirt with them…. Innocently 😊 Works for me 😂
Brave thing to do in this day and age.
Alright Big Dave
Good idea hope he likes my beard
@@summerof1381 😂😂😂
It's gonna be harsh the day it no longer works. 😬
I am nearly 70, I have only been pulled over once about 25 years ago and breathalysed, all very politely, blew negative and thanked and let on my way. I do wonder what some people get up to, to have so many interactions with the police.
Because the police have changed
Many years ago I was pulled over at 3am after having gone to a club with some friends.
Policeman comes up to my window and something like "where have you come from son"
I replied "a) you look younger than me and b) I'm pretty sure MY dad is at home asleep."
His partner burst out laughing and just let me go on my way.
How to answer police:
"You’re being detained"
"My safe word is pineapples".
"Do you know why I stopped you"?
"Because you were impressed with my courteous, legal and careful driving and wanted to personally commend me?"
OK - one thing you haven't covered, and which we see so many times on these 'police camera action' type programs is this: If a copper stops you for some real or alleged motoring offence, under section 163,164 or 165 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, are you obliged to exit the car, and even more so - sit in the back of his patrol car, whilst he lectures you?
No, you are not.
Specification for a vehicle speedometer
Must over estimate by a minimum of 5 kph + 5%
Must over estimate by a maximum of 5kph + 10%
On this basis I contend that saying you don't know is completely reasonable.
When asked about how fast I was going I might say that I was travelling at a speed that was safe and resonable for the road, weather and traffic conditions present.
It's really very simple:
Stop your vehicle.
Lock all doors.
Switch on your cameraphone and record the Police.
Open the drivers window around 2 inches.
Engine off.
Keys out.
KEEP CALM, DO NOT SWEAR OR MAKE THREATS.
Demand ID from the Police. (Name, shoulder number, attached to which station)?
Demand know why you were stopped.
DO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN TO GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, DOB.
Only the driver has to ID.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO OPEN YOUR WINDOW FURTHER OR OPEN ANY OTHER WINDOWS.
YOU AND YOUR PASSENGERS DO NOT HAVE TO GET OUT UNLESS YOU/VEHICLE ARE GOING TO BE SEARCHED.
Tell the Police you do not give permission for the search.
Demand to know why you are being searched.
DEMAND THE STOP/SEARCH RECORD OR ID NUMBER WHICH POLICE MUST SUPPLY.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE YOUR ID FOR THE STOP/SEARCH RECORD.
KEEP CALM, DO NOT SWEAR OR MAKE THREATS.
DO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN TO GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, DOB.
ALWAYS FILM THE POLICE.
If it's a say eg- machete it is a machete for chopping green overgrowth, a pencil could be defined as a weapon capable of stabbing someone in the neck.
I normally stay at home for the day cuz I don't drive any motor vehicles like cars, vans and lorries etc.
Some motorists like my mum, dad and brother are committing an offence like speeding or using the phone whilst driving on the road can points and the fine on their licence which likelihood is going to lose their licence and their jobs too.
Last thing the Theft of the motor vehicles are increasing in 2023-24 and most of like people are taking the vehicle without their consent.
Thank you once again for great advice!
Person: why are u pulling me over we in a nightclub ?
Police : exactly why are u driving a car in nightclub ?
I was pulled over, and one of the officers was not happy with how calm i was . He tried to get me mad at all coast, still kept my my cool he was looking like a fool in the end
When I’ve been pulled over, I just behave in a polite manner and accept whatever they say, even if they’re wrong / mistaken.
Most of the time if they start with a load of chat, it’s to assess your attitude.
This is usually because they have a degree of latitude and discretion, so why not make their lives easy and crack on chasing the “Real criminals” etc
Even if banged to rights, a bad attitude will draw more attention to areas that might have slipped under the radar.
Be nice and be treated well.
They escalate every situation in order to hit targets.
Remain calm whilst someone else is picking your kids from school you didn't appoint because you were stopped.
“How fast were you going” … “that’s relative” officer (Einstein)
I told my daughter to drive to the nearest police station. As so many people dress up in costumes that look like the police. She works very late and early morning quite often. Frightening if you are a woman on your own.
That's an old trick of the RSPCA - they even give people cautions.
Good advice, there's a video online where Police search a car and find a screwdriver and they asert that it could be a tool used in burglaries
I carry a pair of scissors in the boot of my car to allow me or my partner to cut off the cable ties that retain the plastic wheel trims if we ever need to change a tyre. I bought some pair of Fiskars Child Scissors for this purpose as they are very short and have completely blunt ends. I bought these specifically to avoid any suggestion that I was carrying an offensive weapon!
Once had a clear bag of washing powder moments earlier picked up from the mother in laws and acted weirdly stobed as the pulled me over officer went mad i told him to SNIFF THE POWDER didnt go down well until he seen the blue flakes and smelt the nice smell i had a great time telling him what a plonker he was
I think you've missed out one or two things Mr Barrister. 1) have got to give them your license or just show them it?. 2) Have you by law got to step out of the vehicle if asked to. 2b) Also sit in their car if asked? 3) Fully roll down your window? 4) Hand over your keys to them? Just asking.
Just don't stop keep going
i got done for drink driving nearly 3 years ago (yes i'm dumb and i was punished for it) but my question is how many times can the police say it's a routine vehicle check but stick the breathalyser in my face to provide a sample even though i don't drink no more or smell like i have been drinking
if they can do you for having a knife , how are you supposed to buy one for perfectly legal purposes, and take one home?!
On the matter of the police caution, surely such caution is not normally provided prior to a stopped driver being asked, as per your example, to state the speed of his or her vehicle?
Secondly, doesn’t the police caution’s statement of permissible inferences drawn from a suspect’s silence when questioned, in fact refer to statements made with the benefit of counsel’s (a lawyer’s) advice? Surely it cannot be the case that the law de facto compels the excited utterances of nervous drivers pulled over by the police?
By doing all of what you just said means your entering into contract with them. Its your fundamental human right to TRAVEL uninpeded. So by showing all your documents you have then wavered that right by entering into contact.
Do you recommend filming the police stop?
I would think that cops will consider you to beibg argumentative if you ask them about why you were stopped and the basis of a search etc.
Good question. And does the officer need to consent to being filmed?
Always. They can not be trusted. Their job is to lock you up. You owe them nothing.
ask them record there answer and dont argue about it on the street. they can explain there mistake in court which you willl have evidence of and be able to use against them
@@stephengraham1153 no consent needed in a public place
I'd recommend filming them, you can either make it obvious or film discreetly, but make sure the engine is switched off and the parking brake is on if holding the camera or phone in your hand.
The police will often lie and make things up to try and justify their actions, so having video or audio evidence is very helpful. It got me £4000 in compensation for a false arrest back in 2011, after two officers wrote in their police notebooks that I made a statement that I never made. Once they saw the video which I'd already posted to TH-cam back then, they had no choice but to accept my claim and pay me out.
Since then, I don't trust anyone who is wearing a police uniform, always film or record them whenever you can to protect yourself.
😆😆 I feel like I've just been lectured by my dad!!! 🤣🤣
I'm not driving, I'm travelling in conveyance.
Do you have to leave the vehicle if requested by said police?
Years ago I was followed by a police motor cycle cop from Buckinghamshire Constabulary (pre TVP days) but was stopped about half a mile into Hertfordshire. When I questioned whether he had jurisdiction in Herts he replied "This isn't the wild west where you can make a run for the border". We both laughed and he gave me a roadside lecture but let me go.
I had occasion where the English traffic cops didn't know if they were in Scotland or England when zooming up behind me. Being older than themselves I just laughed and said, "Are you wondering if you have jurisdiction?". They admitted it. I they had been driving right up my bum when deer ran out of nowhere in front of me. As they left I told them to watch out for our wildlife...
Given that tax and MOT status for any vehicle is freely available on line from gov.uk does that not offer sufficient evidence?
They really don't like it if you get out of your vehicle first and approach their window, stoop down and say "Hello officer, what seems to be the problem?"
You talk about suspicion, and yes they will wonder straight away what you maybe hiding
They and I sure did.
I have been driving for 37 years and have been pulled over multiple times.talking to a police officer never improves your situation.
Well said. Say as little as possible - just enough to comply with your legal obligations.
Recently, another one of Donald Trump's attorneys sold him down the river. Of course, we are not Donald Trump.
But this is one of the reasons why we so distrust attorneys. It is a reasonable question to ask if YOUR attorney will sell you out too?
Black Belt Barrister, what do you think?
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
How fast were you going?
I couldn't tell you.
OK - so you don't know.....
Just because I couldn't tell you doesn't mean I don't know.
Do not buy an cars in the UK, they stop you 15 times,
Only Macau and Germany don't have this issue, no license, did the police have licence or passport?
Paid MOT insured no no
Criminal mate,
So ALL the power lays with the police. We mere mortals have no chance especially as the police are routinely mendacious.
They should not ask for my documents as all this information is on their computer. If asked I would give my local station and as the door is locked and they have removed the doorbell so no production of documents and the cops would be at fault. What about my human right to freedom of travel. All these points would be worth pushing to Crown Court to see what a Judge would rule. Would be good for you to do an update on what the Government is setting up to do ie The Bill of Rights, their plan to limit Judges powers and a change in the law that will allow police to stop and search without suspicion. Thanks.
If your not required to answer or say anything why answer any questions at all. Simply don’t speak until they ask for information you are required to provide then just provide it still without speaking.
What about recovery garage rip offs . When my car was stolen (worthless vauxhall belmonte) the cops phoned me to say they caught it at a petrol station filling up , i said i dont care about the car are my plumbing tools still in the boot , a moment later they replied yes , i said righto i come and get the car , not so fast they said it has to be taken to a recovery garage for fingerprinting, ok i said ..two days later i pick the car up 115 quid charge for recovery and no tools in the boot , police say no way would the garage steal them ..thats investigative for you ! I felt more ripped off from the police than the thieves .
No need to provide proof of insurance or VED anymore, police will already know this by the roadside it’s all online these days so should flash up as no insurance on police ANPR
When asked 'do you know why I stopped you' the only answer you should give is 'because you have nothing better to do' no admittance to guilt
You have to produce your license and insurance and not say a word.
I think the first thing I'd say is. IT WASN'T ME officer honest 😂👍
Do you have to tell them who you are
Why do you call them police officers? I always thought they were police constables.
If the officer asks you how fast you were travelling, should he not define at which point? Obviously, if he stopped you, you would have travelled at every speed between the maximum and 0 MPH. If he stopped you for speeding then he must have proof of the speed you were doing. It is therefore unnecessary to answer the question.
Is it not legal to have a knife in a car in case you have an accident and you need to be able to cut the seat belt to get out? Lots of people used to have one for this reason.
There is a special tool that is a miny hammer/seatbelt cutter sold for the purpose of getting out of from being trapped in a car.. mine is in the door pocket.
Last time i got pulled over was because i was "pale" and therefor must be on drugs. Im a blonde English man and it was the middle of October, guess i should hit the tanning salons
Caught by the fuzz, when I was...still on a buzz...
Ah - the "five - day - wonder"
Didn't cover the common situation of being asked to join the police in their car. Should you?
Sorry, but what is a 163 stop?
Where you must stop your vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform
As BSB Have advised in Writing a Barrister can lei and Deceive a court or and Judge for a police constable criminl actions of publice abuose of powers with no Consequences.
Not evan having a Prosecution to work with.
So the legal System is not a lawful act or lawful Institute, we are a Lawless society.
Black belt barrister im Afraid you have Publicly lied to the public,
Yes sir how can I help you, no I'm not sure what speed I was doing...really Jesh I'm so sorry . Yes sir insurance paid by company TY I'll be more careful TY. On my way, took 5min a worrying 5min, but if you treat them with respect most are OK. In my youth got stopped twice in a month on way home from different pubs and searched. Once at 3pm (just after taking my girlfriend home after rock club) accused of stealing car, just allowed them to search me, explained why I smoked roll ups, because I was a student and was sent on my way. The week after got stopped again coming home and one of the officers recognized me and said didn't I stop you last week, with my arms spread being search I replied " Yes and Id done nothing wrong then." He smiled let his college do his job and off I went.
I'm not going to sniff someone's butt crack just because he wears a uniform. Jesus! It's not disrespectful to ask for reasons under which you were stopped or refusing to be searched for no reason. They are at work, they're paid for it and their job is not to intimidate, lie and coerce you unless you act in a way that appeases them.
JUMP OUT AND SAY DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM OFFICER WITH CRAZY EYES ,, EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE !!!!
Loving the comments from amateur legal experts 😄
So you haven’t heard of research then.
@Fred Bloggs Yes, mate. But why bother when you have a fully trained expert on hand.
I could research how to transplant a kidney, but I'll leave it to an actual surgeon.
Is it Officer or Constable. A police Sergeant wants to be addressed as Sergeant so should a police Constable be addressed as Constable.He didnt like it when I did.
It is most certainly Constable for the PC and also for the Sergeant if you wish.
What ever the Sergeant `wants` has no relevance to the actual reality.
His title is CONSTABLE Sergeant....he is a Constable and the reference to Sergeant relates only to his position INTERNALY within the organisation.
Neither one of them should be addressed as ` Officer` as they have not earned or warrant such a title...They are both Constables weather they like it or not.
Can they drug test you and breathe test you in the same stop???
Question, do you have to exit your car when asked to do so by the police officer?
Depends , not normally
Don't behave like Ricardo Dos Santos and Bianca Williams and escalate the stop yourself and then give it the racial profiling line instead of actually admitting you didn't stop when asked to and drove home instead. Stop the car and be polite, even if it's the 20th time you've been stopped that week or you are disagreeing with what has been alleged you've done wrong. I've been stopped occasionally over 34 years of driving and riding motorbikes or scooters a few times for various things, and whether I'm in the right or wrong I've never kicked off, never escalated the stop with attitude, and never admitted anything, and I've been pulled for running red or amber lights, not turning my lights on quick enough after exiting a lit multi-storey car park in the early evening, speeding, having anti-flash number plates that made officers wonder why the digits disappeared in their headlights, filtering,(undertaking) on the motorway on a motorbike, and probably plenty of other things. I have never had any points or any trouble avoiding getting them. I even deliberately got my brother pulled over many years ago by staring at the officers in a patrol car as we passed just for a laugh, he wasn't amused when they went through the car and dissed his musical taste.
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I was stopped late at night once. After several attempts to intimidate me,
Officer - One of your lights is out
It wasn't
Your fog lights were on
Yes It's foggy
etc, etc.
Culminating in "Your tires are bald"
Me
It's 12 at night, it's foggy " YOU CAN'T SEE MY TIRES ". ..... End of conversation.
If he is standing next to you car by the wheels, he can see whether your tyres are bald or not.
Now, it is clear he stopped you on a false pretext, but the fact is section 163 of the Road Traffic Act of 1988 gives the police the power to stop your vehicle without needing any reason. Go read it if you don't believe me.
So my question to you is, were your tyres bald or not?
@@deang5622 Tyre's were totally fine. As were the lights, wipers, windscreen washers, mirrors and everything else he tried on.. The guy was just being a jerk.
good advice again !
Been pulled over a few times one time they followed me into my driveway and it went like this-
Umm… can i help you?
Can we see your drivers licence please?
Sure.
Do you own this car?
No.
Do you know who owns it?
Yes.
And who might that be?
she’s my sister-in-law.
And where is she right now?
Not sure exactly she lives .
Thank you, have a nice day
Then they left.
They looked a little disappointed. My sister-in-law didn’t have a registered drivers licence so i think they were trying to catch her. Then they thought they had a thief.
The second time was almost exactly like the first but it was my wife’s car and instead of just accepting the situation they inspected the vehicle and threatened to give me a defect notice if I (not the owner) didn’t repair a broken reflector.
So sometimes even if you’re polite and cooperative they can still be dicks!
Whe cops pull me over I give them my icemce and insurance and all is good and always be polite , it don't cost anything but it can be costly being an ass hole to them
Make your own recording. A SAR should be completed in 28 days. But on average it can take about 100 days.
There footage can be redacted.
Edited, lost, deleted, not upload.
The police hate recordings from individuals because they are unable to control the narrative.
I'm confused. You mentioned section 163, however it changed to section 165 . What's the difference please
S163 is the power to stop a vehicle. S164 & 165 provide powers to obtain your and the vehicle details i.e. licence, insurance etc.
@@vincewarrington1926 Thanks 👍
I was once chased on a by pass traveling at 145mph, but by the time the 🐷 had caught me up (had to slow down for traffic in front) I was going 50mph and cos he couldn't measure my speed ,he had to let me go, but he kept asking me in the back of the cop car how fast I was really going, I thought,"yeah, I ain't falling for that" he would have had the recording machine on, he said come on just tell me, I won't nick ya 😂 but I just kept saying I didn't know, never tell them anything.
Congratulations, great story
Never tell them , I don't know , never.
If the police stopped you and you decided to record the conversation on your phone could you then be done for using a phone whilst in charge of a vehicle as you are in the driving seat with the keys in the ignition. Or have I misunderstood the latest rules on phones and driving?
So turn off the engine and take out the keys ..
Put it in your top pocket, or get a passenger to record.
This is a good point. If you're even holding a phone with the car running, you've broken the law. You can touch a phone when it's fixed inside a holder, as long as it's safe to do so. Some cyclists film drivers as they're in traffic and using their phones in their hands, then forward the evidence to the police.
What authority do police have when not in their own county; say for example Hampshire police in Surrey?
It makes no difference legally, but I imagine it doesn’t happen much. Unlike the US the laws don’t vary from county to county.
Exactly the same as they do in Hampshire.
Can you resist arrest
Do you know why I stopped you?
I don't like to make assumptions.
Are the police aloud to provoke or goad you. To try and trip you up?
Yes. They're also allowed to lie to you about the evidence, false or otherwise, that they've collected about you. Regardless of whether or not they have.
Or at least if they're not then they're all breaking the rules cos they all do it.
The police are not your friends.
If you strike a police officer even if they have goaded you, you're going down.
@@deang5622 But if you hit them hard enough, they're going down first.
been pulled over for speeding in the past, clearly over the limit but done know by how much.
as soon as the police caught up they put their blue lights on & i pulled over immediately.
i was asked the standard how fast were you going.
replied that i couldnt possibly have beed speeding as they had " caught up without putting their blue flashy flashy lights on " so had caught up without speeding themselves.
curious if i am correct that they should not be speeding themselves unless they have their blue lights & sirens switched on & the fact that they caught up without them on could be some evidence that i wasnt speeding?
My understanding is, and it could be incomplete, the police cannot break the speed limit unless they have their blue lights flashing.
However, the issue for you, is you are getting cocky, trying to be a smart ass, and the coppers don't like that. Further, whether the police had their blue lights on or not to break the speed limit to catch up with you, is irrelevant as it does not actually prove that you were not speeding.
You were caught, just accept it. Pay the fine.
Don't want to pay the fine? Don't speed or at least don't get caught.
@@deang5622 was a few years back. wouldnt have thought of the way i said it as cockey more happy & excited as was late & had drunk lots & lots of readbull on a night out.
he saw me clearly speeding heading the opposite direction to him and turned arround to catch up. i know he couldnt possibly have measured my actual speed & the copper seemed to be a good laugh to get on with.
the car was old and after a quick breath test & chat he even helped me get my busted old car started with a push.
Then hand em that roul moat.
And don't give the police your documents under 163 that's only a stop ,they have to ask under 164
Me - wind the window down 5mm and press my driving license against the window and say, “ hurry up and stop wasting my time “. I never answer questions and never get out of the car even when they argue it, works for me every time.
Well within your rights to remain in your car and do it in the way you described
Every time ?
@@noelward8047 unless your being arrested or detained for the purpose of a search. Even for the purpose of a road side breath test there is no requirement to get out the vehicle
@@wajidafzal4480 Then sit in the car.
Good for you.
Or, 2 min conversation at the roadside and everything is sorted.
Yes there are some bad police out there ...
are all civilians good ?
ALWAYS record EVERY interaction with the police.
The police force is riddled with criminality.
It's essential to record for your safety and for the safety of others.
give your head a wobble.
@@boxfullofneutral8514Couzens, Carrick,Provan, Murray.
@@paul66990 clearly poor examples as non of them were a traffic stop
@@boxfullofneutral8514 do you enjoy the taste of boot polish as a rule??
@@gimmeabreak7531 what in the world of universal credit are you talking about
I'd like to see a video on what to do or say when you are confronted by a cop with a chip on his shoulder who has one goal that is to escalate an issue beyond using simple discression.
This is happening more and more now.
You mean you don't get angry and run/drive away?
Half of London needs to learn this lesson.
They presumably do it (run away) because it works
Searching the vehicle. ...
This might form the basis for an interesting video. I do gardening and general handyman work. In my car I often have a small chainsaw [12 inch blade], hedge-hook [a heavy scythe on a four foot handle], a large axe, saws, screw drivers, a very sharp four pronged garden fork, and a small [but very sharp] spade and other potential weapons if so used. I do not carry a knife as such, but a chisel makes a good substitute for cutting rope or string, as well as tidying wooden joints as intended.
Would I need to remove all my work tools for a visit to the Co op, or other non-work purposes?
Best wishes from George
I'm no barrister but if you can show that you work consistently as a gardener then you have every right to have your tools with you that are clearly gardening tools, or plumbing or electrician etc... However if a young scrote is caught at 2am with a screwdriver, stanley knife, balaclava and a crowbar in his car and is unemployed then I don't fancy his chances in convincing a judge! However I would fancy your chances!
@@CraigNiel Thanks. I doubt I'll be stopped after dusk, as I tend to go to bed as the sunlight goes, and get up very early. My evening is the quietude of morning, before the madding crowd get about! I take my little Patterdale Terrier for a walk in the dark as first duty, and then settle to toast and coffee listening to the Farming Programme on R4 at quarter to six!
I do keep my blades razor sharp as it saves physical effort, and means more efficiency!
Thank you for your reply.
Best wishes from George
@@wills681 Liked from, rural Herefordshire.
Lawful reason, very different to something sharp snd nasty in your drivers door, or a baseball bat behind your seat and no evidence or knyekedge of the game. Police aren't stupid whatever people like to say.
No, if it is your official works car or van and you can demonstrate you routinely leave tools in it.
But, I'd make sure knives are in a padlocked box and not easily accessible.
If there is a knife in the glove compartment in the front of the vehicle, that's a different situation and the police probably would arrest you for it
Be an arsehole with the police and they will usually return the favour by checking everything is in order with your car. Empty washer bottle £100, bald tyre 3 points each. Air freshener hanging on your rear view mirror or dash cam in the window £200. Best to just be nice.
So you're saying that coppers can be even bigger @r$eholes? Mmmm... can't argue with that.
I have tried being an arsehole with them in my younger days and they basically pulled my car apart at the side of the road.
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I don’t know what the procedure is the UK. In the US you can simply lock the doors as you exit and the cops aren’t allowed to break them to get into the car and you don’t have to unlock it for them.
And if they’re going to take your key from you to open the door then they’ve just performed a custodial arrest where they have to have more evidence then a simple traffic stop. The real cheat code is if you drive a ford vehicle with the keyless entry pad, you can throw the key on the floor board and hit the 7-9 buttons when you get out and the vehicle is locked with no key on your person and they can’t beat the code out of you. At this point the cops have to tow the vehicle and get a warrant to search it.
Usually at this point they’ll have to call their supervisors or watch commander to explain the situation and the command staff officers are more likely to be concerned with legal liability
They once made me go to court because i had misplaced my licence and was waiting for it to come from the dvla even though i gave them my driver number. I had to go into court and plead not guilty to driving without a licence. Eventually i was able to show my new delivered licence at the fines office whilst the case was adjourned - how crazy is that?
It is laziness by the coppers.
I am amazed that they are this stupid.
Because they have access to the DVLA database, they can check by making a radio call that you do have a valid driving license.
The fact you can't present one at the road side, and there is no legal obligation for drivers to carry it on their person, doesn't mean to say you are not the holder of a valid licence.
I don't know why they are so stupid.
Regardless of whether police know you have a licence, it is still an offence not to produce it
@@geordiewishart1683 yeah so it seems. I didn't get trouble but its just a weird circumstance that can happen to anyone - producer cannot find licence can mean a court appearance whilst its in the post
@@geordiewishart1683 And that's because the law hasn't kept up with technology over the decades.
That particular offence makes no sense when the records are held on computer and can be accessed by the front line coppers pulling people over for traffic stops.
@@deang5622 Constables not trained in RTA 1988 (any cop with a T on their shoulder is contracted to "perform a duty on behalf of another organisation"), don't nkwo how to use DVLA's check driving license facility. It's too difficult to follow the online instructions (enter DL no. in box provided).
You need special training for that. They don't get it because it isn't their jurisdiction. Some moron has convinced them it is. They also got convinced 163 RTA is an all encompassing power. It isn't.
I was pulled over by police in my company van for not displaying a tax disc. ( remember those?) A group of trainee coppers surrounded my vehicle and listened to the traffic officer talking to me. The reason there was no tax disc was because new windscreen was fitted 6 days earlier and the guy forgot about swapping the tax disc over. The vehicle was in fact taxed but the disc was not showing. The officer lectured me about if it wasn't taxed you could not drive the vehicle on the road. At some point, another motorist who was pulled at this checkpoint pointed out to the officer that HIS POLICE traffic car had an out of date tax disc showing. Huge amounts of humble pie and red faces all around by police.
That must have been a while ago as since 1988 at least police vehicles (and a number of others) do not need to be taxed or insured
@@nuttycommuter3718 they are insured through a self certified insurance scheme. Like British gas vans are now.
@@peteradams5857 I don’t dispute that police vehicles are insured. I never said that they weren’t.
@@nuttycommuter3718 by the way .... they are exempt from road duty but they still had to display a valid tax disc. However if you looked close you could see the duty paid was £ 0.00
@@nuttycommuter3718 previous post states " do NOT NEED to be taxed or Insured" am I reading that correctly?
We were pulled at the bank by police my husband said I'm just grabbing money my wife is in labour I'm stressed to hell, they did a safe travel to the hospital for us.. I'm very thankful my daughter was born within minutes after I arrived