Back in the day, I had a Sigma 28-300 that lived on my film camera whilst travelling, for which it was perfect. Thanks for showing us more of Helsinki!
A 28..300 from Sigma is my favorite lens, especially for traveling. To me, it also makes sense on APSC. It is almost always in the bag, when I take a "big" camera. Mine is slightly faster, but the constraint short shutterspeed, high fstop in combination with polarizing filter or less light can be tough. Digital was a great relief for me, because I can work with autoiso. Films with 200 or 400 ISO were usually fine, but not always enough. I still need to find a decent setup when autoiso would like to go below 100, but can't... I guess ISO 100 and Av or Tv will be the way..
Thanks for the review! The 28-300 piqued my interest! Even though I'm very much a 35mm guy at heart, Tamron's 28-200/2.8-5.6 has seen constant use from me, on paid gigs and in everyday life. It's so convenient! And surprisignly sharp too. One of its best aspect is the aperture, which stays quite wide through large part of the range, roughly: * 28-33mm f/2.8 * 33-45mm f/3.2 * 45-55mm f/3.5 * 55-80mm f/4.0 * 80-115mm f/4.5 * 115-145mm f/5.0 * 145-200mm f/5.6 I like to think of it as a 28-105/2.8-4.5 lens, with some extra range up to 200mm when needed! Changes your perspective on the lens a bit, eh. 😛 If you still have the lens, I wonder how's the aperture spacing in the 28-300mm?
@@mattisulanto Thanks for the tedious little test! Seems like both lenses get gradually slower in similar pace. The 28-300mm is mainly one stop slower until 115mm, drom onwards the difference varies between 0.7 and 0.3 stops until 200mm. The 28-300 benefits from optical stabilization in handheld low light and in video, whereas 28-200 has better capabilities in stopping movement, bokeh and close-up magnification. It's good to have choices!
Those images look quite decent. You make the vignetting serve the image too. I carry an 18-200mm (same range on my 1.5 crop camera) as a second lens when I go for a walk. It's never the best lens for a particular shot, but it's often the best lens I'm carrying. At minimum focal distance, it can even work as a macro. Thanks for taking us along on your ferry trip. That looks like fun and also gives me ideas for a photo walk.
Hi Matti, I am a fan of Superzoom lenses and the Focal length on this Zoom is perfect. Nice photos Matti shame you couldn't get the Bungee Jumping photo, oh well next time. Looks like you had an enjoyable day shooting with nice weather. Thanks Matti. 😊
As a landscape photographer I find this lens very interesting. I already have the 28-200 tho. I'm very happy with that lens, and 200mm is already far into the telephoto territory. But having the extra 100mm would be so nice for picking out details in the landscape. On the other hand the speed of the 28-200 could be super useful at times too. Speed vs more reach hmm 🤔 Anyways, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this lens, Matti. And also for showing a little of Helsinki. I've actually been to Suomenlinna (or Sveaborg, as we call it over here) once, very interesting place with a lot of history 👍🏻 And Helsinki is such a great city! Almost as nice as Åbo 😉 Haha
I like the idea of a superzoom, but ultimately there are just too many compromises for me. Instead, I'd prefer to travel with a second camera body with telephoto zoom attached. That way there is not fussing to change lenses. I tried out that strategy on a recent vacation and it worked much better for me.
I prefer travel with less expensive and heavy ahh gears on me lol. If u have more than 30mp like this A7IV to crop for memories n social media 1080p, why do you care about max pixel? Unless it's a photography trip, then there's no good reason to lug around expensive gears to be damaged n stolen abroad
That’s my choice too. Generally speaking though. Last year we walked 12-15 km per day on a week long trip and two bodies were too much. It all depends on the trip but my preferred choice is two bodies.
5:55 I'm uncertain whether the image stabilization (IBIS) on the Sony A7 IV is outstanding, or if the Tamron Vibration Compensation (VC) is superior. Observing the shakiness of your hand while holding the camera with just one hand, I must say that the photos taken appear reasonably sharp!
Sometimes when you hold a video camera in one hand and a still camera in the other hand the shake can be a bit accentuated😀 I took the photo properly with two hands😀
Thanks! The tonality of photos is a personal preference and these photos look just the way I want them to look. You might have taken different photos and used different settings and that's fine. It's also possible that your monitor is not calibrated and that's why the photos look too dark. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
i like superzooms. my kind of video 😁 i use a superzoom in stock photography. hopefully tamron has it on L-mount later.. not that i have an S5 of any kind!
Not bad for what it is. But for a travel zoom, I'd prefer 24-200mm with a much smaller form factor. A successor to the Sony RX100 VII for example. A small version with the existing body and lens, which fits into the pocket of a jeans. And a RX100 VIII PRO, with a bigger lens that's one stop faster and the fixed viewfinder of the A7C II.
I want a 10-200mm f1.8, a 200-300mm f2.8, a 300-500 f4, all them being small and portable 😅 Laugh now. But I'm pretty sure in the future that will be a reality, mixing the latest optics with AI, image processing and correction.
The F stop on a lens is calculated by dividing the system's focal length by the diameter of the opening. So there is no way to get a small and lightweight any of the above unless it's for a sensor the size of a mobile phone and/or some new materials that are better and lighter than glass and the plastics/metals used for the housing.
@@mattisulanto the AI and other tools will be capable of near perfect simulation of bokeh and crop included the lens compression and focal length distortion / look
@@jeroenvdw about that there are two ways: 1) simulation by AI and other software tools, with near perfect accuracy, simulation of crop, compression, distortion by focal length, etc and 2) there are some patents about very thin pieces of glass that redirect the light because nano printing surface. Not curved glass, just straight glass and the function of curved glass is achieved by very small marks printed on the glass surface, marks that are not visible at naked eye, each one near a 2-4 nanometers. It's a patent by Canon. It could allow to make a 300mm lens in less that half the size.
That's of the trade offs with compact super zooms. Vignetting is easy to remove in post if it looks distracting. There are 300mm primes available for less native vignetting😀
@@mattisulanto yeah 😄 My frame of reference is the old F-Mount Nikon 28-300, which I always loved. But it's quite a bigger piece of gear than this Tamron.
I didn't notice distortion here, but my 18-200 superzoom has some complex and at the wide end, slightly goofy distortion. Definitely a tradeoff, but worth it to me. Also, one can work around flaws. I think the vignetting in these photos enhances the mood rather than distracts.
I have the Tamron 28-200 2.8/5.6. It's a hidden gem lens for traveling.
That's another nice zoom.
Back in the day, I had a Sigma 28-300 that lived on my film camera whilst travelling, for which it was perfect. Thanks for showing us more of Helsinki!
Thanks for sharing your super zoom experience. I guess I'd have to show more of my home town in my videos.
A 28..300 from Sigma is my favorite lens, especially for traveling. To me, it also makes sense on APSC. It is almost always in the bag, when I take a "big" camera.
Mine is slightly faster, but the constraint short shutterspeed, high fstop in combination with polarizing filter or less light can be tough. Digital was a great relief for me, because I can work with autoiso. Films with 200 or 400 ISO were usually fine, but not always enough. I still need to find a decent setup when autoiso would like to go below 100, but can't... I guess ISO 100 and Av or Tv will be the way..
Thanks for the review! The 28-300 piqued my interest!
Even though I'm very much a 35mm guy at heart, Tamron's 28-200/2.8-5.6 has seen constant use from me, on paid gigs and in everyday life. It's so convenient! And surprisignly sharp too.
One of its best aspect is the aperture, which stays quite wide through large part of the range, roughly:
* 28-33mm f/2.8
* 33-45mm f/3.2
* 45-55mm f/3.5
* 55-80mm f/4.0
* 80-115mm f/4.5
* 115-145mm f/5.0
* 145-200mm f/5.6
I like to think of it as a 28-105/2.8-4.5 lens, with some extra range up to 200mm when needed! Changes your perspective on the lens a bit, eh. 😛
If you still have the lens, I wonder how's the aperture spacing in the 28-300mm?
The aperture steps go approximately like this: 28-32mm F4, 32-44mm F4.5, 44-54mm F5, 54-78mm F5.6, 78-170mm F6.3, 170-300mm F7.1.
Another happy Tamron 28-200 user here.
@@mattisulanto Thanks for the tedious little test! Seems like both lenses get gradually slower in similar pace. The 28-300mm is mainly one stop slower until 115mm, drom onwards the difference varies between 0.7 and 0.3 stops until 200mm.
The 28-300 benefits from optical stabilization in handheld low light and in video, whereas 28-200 has better capabilities in stopping movement, bokeh and close-up magnification. It's good to have choices!
Those images look quite decent. You make the vignetting serve the image too.
I carry an 18-200mm (same range on my 1.5 crop camera) as a second lens when I go for a walk. It's never the best lens for a particular shot, but it's often the best lens I'm carrying. At minimum focal distance, it can even work as a macro.
Thanks for taking us along on your ferry trip. That looks like fun and also gives me ideas for a photo walk.
Thanks so much.
Hi Matti, I am a fan of Superzoom lenses and the Focal length on this Zoom is perfect. Nice photos Matti shame you couldn't get the Bungee Jumping photo, oh well next time. Looks like you had an enjoyable day shooting with nice weather. Thanks Matti. 😊
Luckily I was no there for that photo😀
@@mattisulanto Thanks Matti 😊
Very nice, thanks a lot
Please make a comparison video between this lens and the Nikkor 28 400. I feel it will be quite interesting. Thanks.
As a landscape photographer I find this lens very interesting. I already have the 28-200 tho. I'm very happy with that lens, and 200mm is already far into the telephoto territory. But having the extra 100mm would be so nice for picking out details in the landscape. On the other hand the speed of the 28-200 could be super useful at times too. Speed vs more reach hmm 🤔 Anyways, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this lens, Matti. And also for showing a little of Helsinki. I've actually been to Suomenlinna (or Sveaborg, as we call it over here) once, very interesting place with a lot of history 👍🏻 And Helsinki is such a great city! Almost as nice as Åbo 😉 Haha
Thanks for sharing. Almost as nice as Turku😅
Hi, what sony camera is that?
The camera I was using in the video is the A7IV.
@@mattisulanto Oh, A7IV? Do you mean A7RIV?
Why dont compare with om 12-200?
Great review！Thanks for sharing！
Thank you too!
I like the idea of a superzoom, but ultimately there are just too many compromises for me. Instead, I'd prefer to travel with a second camera body with telephoto zoom attached. That way there is not fussing to change lenses. I tried out that strategy on a recent vacation and it worked much better for me.
Thanks for sharing. Your approach is one way to do travel photography and you'll have a spare camera body as well. However, some more bulk too.
I prefer travel with less expensive and heavy ahh gears on me lol. If u have more than 30mp like this A7IV to crop for memories n social media 1080p, why do you care about max pixel? Unless it's a photography trip, then there's no good reason to lug around expensive gears to be damaged n stolen abroad
That’s my choice too. Generally speaking though. Last year we walked 12-15 km per day on a week long trip and two bodies were too much. It all depends on the trip but my preferred choice is two bodies.
I'm a simple man, All I want is a 24-300 f1.8 at the same size, weight, and price as that Tamron. 😂
Why settle for less? You could as well want 10-300mm F0.9 but much smaller, lighter and cheaper than the Tamron😅
I'll take a 1-1200mm f0.5
I love the Oly 40-150mm f/4, but the 80mm is a bit to narrow on the wide side. My Sony A7IV has been a bit neglected. Hmm...
This a whole different lens when it come to the range.
5:55 I'm uncertain whether the image stabilization (IBIS) on the Sony A7 IV is outstanding, or if the Tamron Vibration Compensation (VC) is superior. Observing the shakiness of your hand while holding the camera with just one hand, I must say that the photos taken appear reasonably sharp!
Sometimes when you hold a video camera in one hand and a still camera in the other hand the shake can be a bit accentuated😀 I took the photo properly with two hands😀
Hello, thanks for this test. The photos you took look pretty good to me but it seems to me that they are all underexposed...
Thanks! The tonality of photos is a personal preference and these photos look just the way I want them to look. You might have taken different photos and used different settings and that's fine. It's also possible that your monitor is not calibrated and that's why the photos look too dark. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
i like superzooms. my kind of video 😁 i use a superzoom in stock photography. hopefully tamron has it on L-mount later.. not that i have an S5 of any kind!
Thanks! Would be nice to have a version for the L mount but so far Tamron has showed little interest to that.
Not bad for what it is.
But for a travel zoom, I'd prefer 24-200mm with a much smaller form factor. A successor to the Sony RX100 VII for example. A small version with the existing body and lens, which fits into the pocket of a jeans. And a RX100 VIII PRO, with a bigger lens that's one stop faster and the fixed viewfinder of the A7C II.
Thanks for sharing.
I'll wait for the Sigma 28-105 mm f2.8.
Good to know.
Well I think that in terms of super zoom the 24-200 is more versatile than 28-300… but probably more difficult to build. Nikon z one is excellent.
Yeah, you can always crop a bit at the long end for more reach but you can't go any wider than the wide end.
@@mattisulanto exactly :).
@@mattisulantoUnless the situation allows for a panorama, that is 😉
Thanks, Pete, for the informative video!
At least you got my name right😂 Many thanks!
I want a 10-200mm f1.8, a 200-300mm f2.8, a 300-500 f4, all them being small and portable
😅
Laugh now. But I'm pretty sure in the future that will be a reality, mixing the latest optics with AI, image processing and correction.
I'm not sure AI can defeat the laws of physics and would not hold breath, but then again who knows what we can see in the future😀
The F stop on a lens is calculated by dividing the system's focal length by the diameter of the opening. So there is no way to get a small and lightweight any of the above unless it's for a sensor the size of a mobile phone and/or some new materials that are better and lighter than glass and the plastics/metals used for the housing.
@@mattisulanto the AI and other tools will be capable of near perfect simulation of bokeh and crop included the lens compression and focal length distortion / look
@@jeroenvdw about that there are two ways: 1) simulation by AI and other software tools, with near perfect accuracy, simulation of crop, compression, distortion by focal length, etc and 2) there are some patents about very thin pieces of glass that redirect the light because nano printing surface. Not curved glass, just straight glass and the function of curved glass is achieved by very small marks printed on the glass surface, marks that are not visible at naked eye, each one near a 2-4 nanometers. It's a patent by Canon. It could allow to make a 300mm lens in less that half the size.
I use the 12-200 OM systems Lens for travel on my OM-1. It's fantastic
Thanks!
A large zoom range is very convenient. But it also makes you a lazy photographer.
that makes a huge portion of photographers "lazy".
That is so true. Convenience makes lazy😀
300mm has quite some vignetting, wow.
That's of the trade offs with compact super zooms. Vignetting is easy to remove in post if it looks distracting. There are 300mm primes available for less native vignetting😀
@@mattisulanto yeah 😄 My frame of reference is the old F-Mount Nikon 28-300, which I always loved. But it's quite a bigger piece of gear than this Tamron.
I didn't notice distortion here, but my 18-200 superzoom has some complex and at the wide end, slightly goofy distortion. Definitely a tradeoff, but worth it to me. Also, one can work around flaws. I think the vignetting in these photos enhances the mood rather than distracts.