Aespa getting harassed by teen school boys is so horrible and I feel everyone should have made such a bigger fuss over it because no one was willing to take responsibility
Aespa are adults and those High school boys be barely 18. Believe me a lady should would have generally shouted and scolded them- saying bastards. As it's that one of typical behaviour. You see those boys have no manners.
also since we're addressing the nct haechan situation, it's time to call out enhypen too for their behaviour towards sunoo. the amount of times he's been made fun of because of his weight is ridiculous
It's true. I wish sassy sunoo should comeback like how he judged other in iland. When Sunoo sassy queen back; that moment gonna be rip moment to enhypen who call him baymax elephant too much eating etc.;
It would be interesting to do a deep dive into boy groups and their overlong history of passing off bullying as "friendly banter". It's such an ingrained thing in the industry that it's actually seen as doing members a favour when they're being told they're fat and ugly, and I think maybe it's time we talked about it and hopefully start to change it.
@@luvelix wait stray kids? can you tell me what exactly because i know nothing about stray kids bullying eachother except for the woojin scandal but he was innocent.
@@i_mirage If you talk only about relationship between the members, they always talk to each other like that in a 'friendly banter', most of the time they are like that towards Changbin, but there are also many examples when they say something to Han or Felix. And also Hyunjin? hello? he apologized to the person that he bullied at school because his career would be over, it was last year lol he was close to being kicked out just like woojin, but they couldn't kick out the most popular member, right? I wonder how he acts behind closed doors.
@@i_mirage I can say that i had few different opinions. Firstly i saw some compilations (what first i found on YT) where they were depict like rude, ignorant and mocking persons. I was like "i don't like how they behave". But there was no context so i watched some vlives, blogs, talkers and my favourite nowadays two kids room. And after this i understand their relationship better. I'm not assuming that i understand that fully. No one except of them can. But after watching this things i can clearly see how the same situation can be inverted if someone decided to do this like this compilations around YT. Also a lot of people have different "pain points" and what people assuming like mocking for some people just a joke even its about them. So now i see them as normal people with normal behavior, more like friends and sibling acting, not bullying or mocking. Also, i really like your username😄
What Giselle did was definitely mocking And those who are saying they are not offended please don't consider yourself as the speaker of the entire community Maybe we are sensitive , but atleast not ignorant to just let her slide away with what she did
Honestly I myself being Indian and Hindu I wasn’t really that offended but that is definitely kinda disrespectful She should really keep her tongue and hands in check cause she had also offended the black community Indian or Hindu kpop fans really just forgive idols for anything and that’s why there aren’t that many instances of idols getting called out for mocking Hindu culture but there are many instances of them doing that
@@kpopkpop881 nobody gave you the right to tell people how to feel about a certain situation. obviously not everybody is going to feel the same way you do, which is fine. so it's better to disagree in silence and move on. your comment is unnecessary.
@@sommerr.6248 cool, you're entitled to your opinions and thoughts, but they are still just YOUR opinions and thoughts, not the opinions and thoughts of the whole black community.
Am skinny and everyone in my family is skinny the truth is yea we get bloated it’s normal everyone gets bloated. Also the Han thing is so uncomfortable.
I am the 'standard' of what ppl would call skinny even tho I literally don't workout bcz yk (although I don't have a flat stomach haha) But yeah I get bloated when I eat gooood so yeah lol
After the whole n word controversy with Giselle and how it was glossed over, I wasn't a huge fan of her. But seeing her mock my culture just put a bad taste in my mouth idk. Edit : i have started a war in the replies, scroll at your own risk 💀 I'm gonna clarify that if you're not black, it doesn't give you the right to talk about the n word controversy. Same goes for the mocking Desi culture one. If you're not Desi, you have no right. No one "deserves" to be mocked lol, y'all just can't see ur idols in a bad way. I don't hate Giselle, I'm just disappointed in her actions
for people who don't know, that gesture is pretty well known as a stereotype and is often done to mock desi culture, its actually nice if you don't know about it. yes you can learn some gestures from the classical dances, that's what you call appreciating cultures but doing that one stereotypical move, boggling your head and laughing is what makes it mockery
Can I tell you what made me uncomfortable these past weeks? It’s how much hate Tae has gotten since the airport situation. So many are throwing such horrible words to Tae not knowing the situation. So as I heard from different karticles about it, it’s that when waiting for Lisa, Bogum, Tae, it started to rain and the security had told the “fans” to go home as the situation could become really dangerous. They didn’t listen and if I remember correctly, there started fights between fans(reasoning behind it: so that they could get at the front for the better picture etc) As it all was happening, Lisa came and waved and got in the car. Situation became worse, cause everyone started rushing to get the pics etc. Security saw all that and said to Tae to go as fast as possible to the car so that the situation couldn’t get worse. In the end, everyone called him arrogant, cold even tho, when driving away, he waved at them through window. So the first thing is that even tho he waved at the “fans”, he could’ve not done it and it would be okay cause if you’re a fan, you would have stayed at home, respected their privacy’s as it could make them uncomfortable and of course dangerous. That’s sasaeng behavior. Like how many times Idols have been mobbed and harassed at the airport. STAY AT HOME! They don’t own you nothing. Know your place. The second thing is all the people who are saying “ if it was a female idol, they would have gotten so much hate” etc. So many are hiding behind this statement and calling him horrible names and ignoring the fact that right now, they are the ones hating on him. Also agree on all you have said, great video🥰
@@suksuk5191 YES, especially if you’re are an army, he has written in weverse about how happy and thankful he was when armys respected his privacy and left him alone so he could enjoy his holiday. If you’re going to airport for bts, don’t consider yourself an army if the boys especially Tae has said how uncomfortable it has made them y’all being there
The colorist and fatphobic jokes among kpop groups will never end. It comes from how normalized it is in their country/community they lived in. This behavior needs to be called out but to be honest, I don't see it changing anytime soon. Unless, of course, korean themselves changes their perspective on this "friendly banter".
The jisung one still makes me sick to my stomach I can't imagine how it must felt like for him and the way he had to pretend he wasn't uncomfortable and like he was enjoying it ,these idols r forced to pretend like they love it when fans cross boundaries like aespa smiling while getting mobbed. Wtf did this person think they would achieve from doing this like how twisted do u have to be to do that......
For all the giselle fans who are saying that we cannot expect idol to know about each and every culture . You guys are right she doesn't have to learn about my culture if she is not interested.BUT BUT BUT .....SHE BETTER STAY AWAY FROM MY CULTURE AND DOESN'T MOCK IT . If she did that move she must have seen the dance and without thinking twice that it maybe someones culture she did that . Also for those people who are saying why targetting only Giselle other idols do it too. Well it's not just about giselle we call every idol who mocks our culture but people like you come and start defending them because of which they never learn and the cycle continues . You guys don't understand how a person feels when they spend 9 to 10 years to learn an art form but people start making fun of it because it looks weird to them . Imagine seeing people doing such step on tiktok and social media without knowing they are mocking our culture just because their favourate idols did it . If we don't call this out then such things will start getting normalized . Which is NOT OKAY .
I AGREE WITH YOU. Im not an indian but i absolutely agree. Some ppl are like "i am an indian but i didnt get offended" or "as a part of the indian community i forgive her" like ok who are you to forgive her for her actions when she didnt apologise.
@@kill3008 nope. Jaemin and Mark have never made such a comment against Haechan. The only ones who did were Chenle, Jeno, Jisung, Renjun, Doyoung and Yuta. Yuta and Doyoung apologised and never did it again but the Dream members have no shame at this point.
atleast they stopped plus i dont think fatshaming is not the same a bullying. Yes sunoo may look uncomfortable i mean we all would be. But i know they did in fact fat shame him. But not bullying. Also sunoo isnt a damsel in distress nor do you all have to be victimizing him. Either way they stopped but i see alot of sunoo stans pulling the "bullying card" to hate on members like niki
@@Mochaewon_9770 Fat shaming is a type of bullying tho, especially when a bunch people gather around to make fun or humiliate a single individual's body/appearance.
Everyone is talking about Giselle and don’t get me wrong, that’s really bad and I’m not tryna say it ain’t, but we’ve gotta talk about the Han one. Why would that girl get on a fan call with L!NGERIE on and speak to him like that? Get that thing outta the stray kids fandom and on a s3x offenders register instead PLEASE.
Let's be real, most kpop idols, koreans are colorist and racist. It's just that it's masked by them and sometimes it comes off on these shows accidentally
Legit..... like imagine you are at a fansign with them and you are so happy to finally see them but you don't know that in their heads they might have bad thoughts towards you As someone who has tan skin colour, i feel so sad...
Not gonna lie but I think that the 4th generation idols are not as much educated as they should be not in an insulting way it's just that I think as they trained at young age, as amber said " being in the industry where you are told how to look,how to act like; Justt...idk
the previous generations were way worser though. blackface, colorism and cultural appropriation are more seen in the 1st , 2nd and 3rd gen than they are seen in the 4th generation. it's just that a lot of us do not let people get away with being disrespectful anymore. i believe the entire kpop industry needs to introduce some sort of sensitivity classes to trainees since they will become global stars. it's about time.
But you'd think that with how much 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen idols have fucked up and gotten criticised ruthlessly... 4th gen idols would be more aware of what to do and not what to do, etc. But no...
@@tanya19-d3k 4th gen is pretty much better when it comes to CA and racism. 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen idols had no. of CA , racist actions and other problematic stuff done.
Tbh the newer idols might not be perfect and they never will be, but I think they’re far more educated than the idols from previous generations. I refuse to support groups like BTS and Mamamoo because of their history with racism and colourism and even Korean fans who live in Korea have said that BTS, Mamamoo and many other groups are incredibly racist.
I'd love to see a video about more of NCT's problematic behavior. Frankly, idk how many general kpop fans (including myself) know much about it. If one idol or group messes up but changes/ learns from their mistake that is fine, but if they can't keep their act straight that's another thing entirely!
learning about their problematic behaviors is what made me unstan them. i used to have them in my ult list but so many of them have done so much and they keep doing it.
It's the fact that it never stops, it would have been better if they stopped and never did it again, if they didn't apologize it wouldn't have made a difference... at least if they stopped it would have been better
they just never learn :/ And I don't think they ever will. I'd honestly understand if they did something years ago and apologized. But they continue to do problematic things and not even apologize for it which is unacceptable. Worst thing is that the group continues to grow and act this way. People question them for a few days and then the fire dies.
@@rivertothemoon mate your have RM in your picture, you can’t unstan one group for being “too problematic” yet turn a blind eye to your faves and their problematic behaviour 🙄 armies honestly shouldn’t even dare talk about other group’s problematic behaviour considering they can’t seem to fully acknowledge and hold their own idols accountable
NCT is my ult group but I'm not gonna make excuses for their behavior. Haechan is my bias and it really hurts seeing some of them make fun of him :/ I wish they would atleast apologize.
I understand you because they are also my ult and I am a sunflower, but also the members, except for Jisung, recently he has not said those things again and we do not know if they have given the apology or not, because that is a private matter since the apology It is for Haechan, not for us, but I hope that with the criticism that Jisung received, the situation will not repeat itself and the group is becoming more global, so from experience with other groups this helps more
@@MissS0.0 yeah my comment is from 10 months ago. I definitely agree that Haechan should be the one receiving the apology, not us. They look close so I'm sure everythings fine!
Someone did an exhibition of Jk images (exposed body parts images ) from recent concert where he wore black shirt type with a long chain . There were so many images where his chest was exposed .What if it was a female idol ?Since Jk is a man , this situation is being ignored .Armys are calling out this person , hope they get sued . Also ,it feels so creepy to see female idols dancing in front of Military .Is this done till today ? I saw RV & Twice performance in front of them and never searched for such videos because it looked so disgusting .
Ok but a girl would be very uncomfortable if she was in those type of...dress and i don't think anyone wamts any girls to expose her chest but if she want then..ok!
the thing I loved the most in this video: the person gave ideas and ways to make things work correctly and in a secure way (like the aespa's case), and not only told that was a wrong thing and only this.
And here I am,thinking Giselle changed and grew out of it to see her mocking my culture. Most of the SM artists are known for these stuff so I should`nt have been surprised
Jennie once admitted in a show, that she bloats even after drinking a small amount of water. In conclusion she bloats easily. I am not a Skz fan or I am not a STAY but that Han thing is disgusting af. Like treat your idols like idols not like your partner. And SM idols going to the school where the CEO of SM studied in, is like a ritual. After you perform in the boys school, then you are officially a SM Artist. But the CEO of SM should’ve gave ÆSPA some security, ( like obviously 🙄 ), also I shouldn’t be saying this, isn’t that like common sense…….
Please make a video about the dance move issue it really needs to be addressed. As an Indian Classical Dancer myself, we are taught the significance of mudras and what they mean. I have made threads 2 times explaining why its wrong to do this and always there are people like: "Oh I am desi and not offended" or "Bollywood does this" which is annoying considering being desi doesnt mean yk about it unless you have learnt it. Indian classical dances are said to have been performed in front of Hindu Gods and the dances are used to depict instances that you would read about or see in shows dedicated to Ramayana or Mahabharata or even random instances related to Hindu Gods. There is no restriction such as "Only Hindus/Desis can do Indian Classical Dances" it only asks for respect. That brings me to the 2nd statement about bollywood which is have you ever seen how bollywood always makes mockery of things? They literally made a movie called Dostana where the leads pretend to be gay so that they can get the girl they have a desire for and you think they would represent something correctly? You are a moron to believe bollywood (except for a few movies like the Kashmir Files which is based on actual incidents)
The worst part is fans bringing BTS into it 💀 And I'm pretty sure people were overreacting with Twice And people who aren't even a Desi are saying they are 😭 and that they don't find anything wrong with it like- I'm done with people saying they are a Desi on Twitter and discord when they are either Americans or east Asians And even if itzy or blackpink did it It's doesn't make Giselle innocent what logic is that ?!
honestly it's really sad what happens to haechan since debut until now, they don't stop talking sh*t about his skin color and his weight. It's crazy bcs even when haechan is not there they keep bringing his weight and his skin color. the worst of it all is to see people from the fandom defending these attitudes, making unreasonable comparisons and using the "they are friends" card. i never forget the expression on haechan's face in a "ridin" era video when jisung told him to stop eating because he was fat. when he made that expression and lowered his head a little, seriously it left me with a mixture of anger and sadness. It's been years and nothing changes. that's why i don't support jisung anymore.
The ones that don't really criticize Jisung were Dreamzens,you know that many are secretly Haechan's haters, so they always ignore the attacks on him, but the rest of the fandom did criticize, and honestly with what you say I feel that I agree a little, the other members have learned and left that but what about him and jeno? I give them the opportunity even because I think that now with their tour where they will meet and meet different types of people, this may teach them to be more respectful because they are no longer in the Korean bubble, but if this continues like this then I think that up to here arrive with him.
Many people says Giselle is doing a Buddhism pose but even those who are in the religion says the head bopping isn't a part of it. I wish Giselle learns, the other 3 are suffering bc of it and those who she offended too, that's really sad.
@@nextlevel5802 1. I'm not hating on her. 2. If you're Buddhist can you confirm what I said about the head bopping? I genuinely want to know, it would make the situation clearer for everyone and avoid drama.
@@Uzjuzuzjzjz3 baby i was resreache abuddhist and this is in thier culture my english is bad i dont know how to make you understand but go research about it
@@Uzjuzuzjzjz3 alsoo this momvent was doing from 2gen was in 2ne1 dance of choreochraphy alsoo there are many idols who do that like itzy member but when giselle do it now its racist
@@nextlevel5802 I know it's a very similar pose, but again those who are in the religion said the movement with her head isn't part of it. But I'm not Buddhist, I just trust what they said. I don't see how if she's recreating 2ne1 makes it better, the dance was also called out for mocking Desi. And yes, it's true that others kpop idols did it but I guess their mistake wasn't trending so nobody could call them out, I'm not saying it's good, it's sad for those who are in the culture constantly being mocked without the idols learning.
With the Han thing...idk i feel like i see a lot more clips like that with male idols (i saw some really bad vernon ones), it seems like female fans of boy groups are less likely to perceive their inappropriate behavior in fan calls as harassment. I hate when people pull the role reversal "but if a man did this to a woman, he'd be crucified!!!" thing, but that kinda applies here
I don't like how you're acting like those boys were just "being boys". They're old enough to understand basic human decency, they just don't care and fully deserve the criticism and consequences. Some mad victim blaming skills...
SM really does need to invest in sensitivity training classes for their idols, every generation of their idols have been involved in fatshaming/colorism ughhh disgusting
I don’t stan nct but knowing they bully a member for how they look is sad and very disappointing and I would like it if you made. Video about all the problematic things nct has done not because I hat them I like their songs as well but because I want to be educated about each member and see their change and growth, or if they still act like a holes
I'm a Desi but i didn't find that move too offending maybe because I don't learn classical dances but yes girlie needs to be held accountable asap wtf is she even doing. Fr she needs to stop making controversies and be educated. Aespa is one of my ults and I don't want them to end up with bad reputation
Thanks for this video ! I am very bad with words so just know that I really appreciate your hard work and you seem like a genuinely good person 😊 I would also love if you make a video about that dance. Hope you stay well👍
1. I dont even think SM cares. Who sends 4 girls and 1 female manager to a all boy school without proper security? Smh 2.Why r people so obsessed with people bodys in kpop? (And its not only the korean audiens, then international to) 3.Eww.. That girl has no shame or self-respect. If I was Han I would of turned it of and blamed it on the wifi 4.Poor Haechul :( Can they just let him be? They r the people his going to meet almost everyday andthem shaming him is just..blah 5.Giselle needs to stop bieng so ignorant. First the N-word now mocking dessi culture... I dont even think this girl cares... (And the laugh she did afterwards...pls 😒) Thanx 4 an awsome video💜
4’th July, Monday 2022 4.40 PM Dear MYs, Please hold your idol, Aeri Uchinaga (stage name: Giselle) accountable for her actions, as it is offending to many Desi ppl. Ty for your time, ~ Your Fellow Indian K-Pop fan
Not saying for all desis but for the desi people who agree with me WHAT GISELLE DID WAS IGNORANT AND NOT RACIST IF SHE HAD DONE IT TWICE THEN THE HATE WAS GENUINE BUT FOR NOW SHE ONLY NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ABOUT THE SITUATION
They all are so just so problematic Like agency can make then shut about many unnecessary things those things which should be normal But not about rasism or body shaming atleast to keep their image better now that they are getting world wide Also I've seen so sooooo many reels or memes made as a laugh about girls complementing each other as if girls are doing something wrong And then compare them to boys who say thing like those ( friendly slandering ) to their friends Saying that's what true friend ship is You'll find many reels tiktok and meme about friend and best friend comparison I find them utterly unrealistic and nonsense They are creating toxic standard every where You're a psychopath if 6ou put pineapple on pizza You are a psychopath if you put milk before You're not a true friend if you wait for your friend when they tying their shoes lace You're a best friend when you suck off your friends money Or call them pig OR tell them they look like a monkey when they ask how they look in particular cloths It's getting on my nerves
about nct situation some it's just jokes but some time the members take too far that the mocked members maybe feel inscure i dont hate any member i just dont like it when they joke about that member's skin colour or his body but also we dont know if they were just "joking" and the member was fine with it or not but also they shouldnt joke like that bc there's others could feel inscure or hurt yk
since aespa was mobbed I always said that they should've gotten into the school when the boys had classes, so on break or next class aespa would have their speach and performance
I hope people realise it's not the head bobbing itself that's offensive, it's the randomly doing it knowing it is stereotypical and then laughing (as if they are making fun of us and our culture). There are also some idols who've done this but was clearly not mockery. Head bobbing does not "belong" to a culture and we cannot gatekeep that movement.
As a Desi, I don't feel offended. It's just what she did to our culture right on that moment was disrespectful. That laugh she gave after mocking was just so cringe that I had to give her a side eye. No hate towards any group, But I've seen a lot of idols mocking different cultures. Meanwhile when they get disrespected overseas.... ok leave it, let's not talk about it. The only thing we can do is canceling her, maybe that'll fix her.
i myself ult nct but what enrages me the most is when some nctzens try to pass the “jokes” they make as funny and that theyre only being said cause theyre close cause its clearly not nice or funny at all
just 2days ago Giselle fans were saying lisa is using blaccent in her rap, she doesnt know how to rap she only blaccent. they also said she is a racist for doing braids. Now you see your idol is way worse. At least Lisa did not say N word she was appreciatiating the culture without any mockery. Although i spoke on behalf of Giselle that she didnt have bad intentions on saying Nword this time the owners of the culture will decide to if its offensive or not and if they want to forgive or not.
SM sending Aespa t Coachella, Macy parade in the USA to a boys high school in Korea?! Like wtf are they local school performers? Why cant they even score a university festival gig. They intentionally did this to get that mob scandal for clout
I was a vixx stan but they stayed talking about N's skin i couldn't even listen to their music anymore. Seeing that shit as a black fan is so uncomfortable
It is funny how you added Doyoung and Yuta one but never added the clip where they apologized and never did it again. The dream ones? I don't defend them, they've done it so many times like I'm just tired.
Giselle herself is a Buddhist And she is fully aware of the movement she has added to the dance And I hate those who want to defend Gisele Because she really did something wrong and this is not the first time I hope one day she will be wise I should also add that I myself am a fan of the aespa and I do not give any hates to my girls
as nctzen but also Sunflower (Haechan fans) you really have to stop generalizing and wanting to stain the entire group (all the members), they speak as if all of nct did it or continues to do it when it's not like that, with the only members that there has been a problem in these times (I mean currently) it was with jisung (and I think jeno) but for the rest no one has said something like that to haechan again, and also if nobody deletes the videos or censors Those parts are like this because they don't see it as a problem, for Korean society it's normal to talk about it like this, that's why the editor doesn't even insist on removing it or something, because they see it as normal, but as I already told you, nct really hasn't back to being like this and only by one member, it cannot be condemned that supposedly everyone is still the same, and well, let's hope that with the criticism that nctzen gave Jisung this time, it won't happen again, but they wouldn't have to give a public apology either because it was something between them, as colleagues and friends and they are going to talk about it in private and the apology same. I also think that something that helps groups to open their minds is when they go beyond Korea/Asia, nctdream that some members would be the current problem, with their tour and that's how they already left Korea and have already met many different type fans, so I hope this helps become more aware.
Tbh i know they’re just teasing and probably mean no harm, my sister fat-shame me as a teasing but i started feeling insecure but one time i talked about it to her, she apologized seriously and never did it again. So i just hope NCT and Enhypen members can at least talk about it and apologize and never do it again in the future to Sunoo and Haechan, it’s just up to them to forgive or not. Besides, i don’t think NCT dream actually don’t care about Haechan considering the fact that they literally grow up together, it’s just that they don’t know that their teasing might cause harm to Haechan so i really hope they sincerely apologize to him even if we don’t know it. Things like this… if it keeps going on, it doesn’t matter if it’s your family or close friend as long as you apologize way too late your relationship is bound to get ruined so i hope they solve this early (both the group). This is just my opinion…
Giselle is just digging a deep grave for herself i’m sorry i dont like her I already didn’t after the n word thing but i thought of giving her a second chance but now she mocked our culture its super annoying and offending I’ll never support her in anything
Giselle one made me uncomfortable and it looks like it was on purpose. Another thing Nct (most of the sm artists) are problematic af like when Nct came with 'Make a wish' they basically danced on prayer mats which are used by muslims to pray. The lyrics were also very uncomfy knowing that they were dancing infront of our prophet's grave if your not a muslim or won't know much about islam you wouldn't understand. Like bruh sm didn't even took any type of action of it and many ppl avoided talking about it and i get that it wasn't the members fault but sm should give them education about cultures not just sm all of the companies should but sadly all they care about is money:/
@@notsmol3961 no need. i had rewatch the vid thousand times because the song is a bop but i just dont see it. What prayer mats? They are just a carpet. From my own research nothing comes up regarding your claim about nct dancing in front of the prophet's tomb. At first i did get uncomfortable too but i just think this controversy is stupid except the use of certain text in their live show etc.
about NCT one, if they could act like that towards their own friend in front of thousands of people.. prepare yourself because they could shaming their fans off camera, its still possible tho. that's why y'all don't put idol high on the pedestal because y'all didn't know them personally.
For the Giselle case I get all the backlash she got since her n word controversy.. But I feel like this generation with the development of social media and the internet hold every living creature accountable for "being offensive" towards their culture.. You don't expect idols to know about every single thing from every single culture cuz it's unrealistic.. I would rather take such situations as an opportunity to teach said idols about the culture not scrutinize their existence *not even getting a result out of it*... This generation tend to lash out about the smallest things.. So when real issues and cultures are disrespected purposefully its not even gonna be taken seriously cuz this generation is looked at as bunch of whiney teens.. and this is coming from a fan who's culture and religion been disrespected before by ignorance.. What Giselle did was pure ignorance.. And you're not gonna tell me that she thought oh wait let me do the dance and laugh afterwards to mock that specific culture.. It's spontaneous.. Just cuz we're behind screen we feel secure to feel mad at public figures.. But if we follow this generation's logic every single one of us has disrespected a culture in the world at least once in their lives starting from me.. Let's get rid of cancel culture rather educate people.
you know, I'm not desi so I cannot say whether or not you guys should feel offended. That being said I think there is a different between mocking and just doing simple gestures. Also, I understand it is unrealistic for them to know every cultures in the world and to understand the taboos, the dos and donts but we shouldn't just let them go and be ignorant. What she did IS SPONTANEOUS but that is the problem! Why is the first reaction when you are doing someone else's dance or following someone else's culture laughing?? That's really weird if you ask me and that also shows what you thought of said dance.
@@czssaeris9086 how do you agree that it was spontaneous while in the same phrase say that she laughed at the dance mocking it... I doubt that she laughed at the dance specifically she was laughing with fans.. Cuz let's think logically for a sec.. Her being an idol her whole career depends on weather people like her or not why would she go all the way to a specific Indian dance *I personally didn't knew it until now* and mock the dance out of the blue.. It was ignorant from her part which is excusable the first time.. If someone repeats the same mistake twice here I agree with the whole holding her accountable thing
@@evelina2060 you know that when something is spontaneous, it reflects on how the person is thinking and how they perceive things. Because it is subconscious they don't have time to think about it. My question is why is the first thing you do when you do that gesture, that I believe she knows belongs to certain cultures (because we know a lot of kpop idols have been called out because of this), is to laugh at it? Furthermore, why did she do it in the first place? Clearly she finds it so amusing that she laughs like that. In this day, it is impossible to not know about cultural appropriation and stuff. And as much as I want to understand her, she doesn't learn from the n word incident. One time is an honest mistake, but repeating it again when you are clearly in the face of the public just plain ignorant and dumb if you ask me. If she genuinely cared she would've learned.
@@evelina2060 and no, again I'm not indian so I'm don't have a say in if that's offensive or no. But too many desis have come forward and say that it's disrespectful. So it is safe to say that there is a problem in this. AND SO MANY (not one or two) kpop idol in the past have received this criticism. Your argument is based on whether or not she knows about it. I hardly believe she doesn't because it is a common occurance that is happening in the kpop industry, over and over again. You must be living under a rock to not know that :)
@@czssaeris9086 me not knowing about a culture doesn't mean I live under a rock.. I could question you about my culture.. I doubt you would know anything about it and that's completely FINE.. The discussion here is not solely about the dance specifically but rather a discussion about scrutinizing idols each time they "offend" a culture.. Some desis were offended while others WERE NOT.. check in the comment.. Which side should we take.. And us not being part of the culture doesn't mean we can't think and differenciate between what's offensive or not.. There's a fine line between being ignorant and being racist or mock other cultures and we tend to blur that line out and THAT makes the whole difference
about the haechan thing... even if they are 'friends joking around with each other', it doesn't mean it's not wrong?? i mean, they should watch their words, they are well known celebrities. how can they make fun of a member's body and skin tone in front of a camera and expect the fans to not get mad and offended? don't they know that they also have fans with darker skin and more weight and that their comments and 'jokes' might be offensive? just because they didn't have the intention to hurt someone, it doesn't mean they didn't. btw haechan isn't even fat, they just like to make fun of him. spreading all that 'be yourself, be beautiful' message while saying those things is the actual joke here.
I realy love your videos and i also think that what Giselle did was bad but i think that caling her least biased for a reason is kinda rude, its just my opinion and feel free to disagre
3:49 this whole thing is just pure hate, how tf do you spit so much on a woman that has done nothing wrong to nobody because she got bloated after eating ? Do yall get too at ease with her and forget she's just another human or??
I was at the the concert when Giselle did “the thing” and I’m so glad I didn’t see it it and was to busy recording winter and didn’t find out until a few weeks later becuese it definitely would’ve messed up the emotional significance of that night
We all are aware that in video and photo we look different that doesn't mean it is photoshopped . Cause even me my thighs are huge but in photos it appears a little slimmer ,Maybe even jennies photo appears like that .
Tbh I'm not really offended because of Giselle coz we can't expect each and every person to know about each and every culture. Here, in India we used to mock East Asians a lott. And it's still there. Everyone has their own way of looking at cultures and it depends on the background in which you've grown. I don't expect Japanese/ Korean people to know everything about our culture since we don't know about their culture either
I don't ever want any one my ults to come in india because the amount of disrespectful behaviour they will see here, being called "Chinese","gay",lots of other disrespectful things,and i agree with you
Unless u don't have access to social.media or any place where atkeast sime1 speaks out on this or knowledge on how some things are sensitive to other cultures, I don't think it an excuse to mock any culture
no, as an indian i find it VERY disrespectful that she did that. Its literally fucking agitating to be genralized by one move which takes YEARS to master. not knowing about other culture and it being normal is NOT an excuse to let this shit slide. Because if one knows nothing bout a culture than better not bring it up. ESPECIALLY in front of a fucking crowd
its tru that its not just Giselle i think its the whole industry apart from the exception idols cuz its tru that kpop is made up of so many other genre's of music like desi style music and hip hop. and i think thats also a problem with how knetz treat foreign idols when they debut in a group even tho the industry itself is semi based off other cutural sounds for example thai idols and even Fatou. so its insulting when idols dont respect the tru origins and other cultures of people that made them known in the music industry. im probs gonna get hate for this but whatever.
1. All the money and still SM failed to provide a proper security for Aespa, smh. Also the school’s statement is nothing but a 🐴 sht. Why even sen aespa to an ALL BOYS school? 2. Jennie have saggy stomach and bad physical posture and guess what there is no problem with it. The photoshopping was weird tho. But we move on. 3. The whole Han thing was just - JAIL. Setting him up like that was just - JAIL. 4. SM idols being colourist? Wbk. It’s like they take a special course on it. There is nothing friendly about it. 5. I see Gisele and Jennie always seem to go out their way to mock desi culture huh? smh.
India or any other country is not for cultural appropriation especially when you have a large population of fans coz of whom you are becoming successful and rich.. I feel like they didn't go to school and never learned to respect cultures and morals of other countries..
Umm i have learnt idian classical dance and let me tell u it is so difficult it takes a lifetime to perfect the moves. Before starting dancing we actually do a gesture in respect to the dance doing it with shoes on is a taboo so ignwe need to stop
I'm someone who has a similar body type to jennie and I also work out on the daily. but guess what happens when I eat? my tummy bloats. it's natural and not shameful. imagine shaming someone for having a normally functioning body 💀
To be honest i can understand how aespa feel at that time high school boys are worst mostly ... Like these are only some like 1 in a 100 behaviour is well otherwise they try to harasso u or make u feel uncomfortable 😣
Everybody wants change Nobody wanna change though Nobody wanna pray Till they got something to pray for Everybody's gonna die But don't everybody live though Sometimes I look up to the sky And wonder do you see us down here? Oh Lord, do You see us down here? It's easy to blame God but harder to fix things We look in the sky like, "why ain't You listening?" Watching the news in our living rooms on the big screens And talking about "if God's really real, then where is He?" You see the same God that you're saying might not even exist Becomes real to us, but only when we're dying in bed When ya healthy it's like, we don't really care for Him then Leave me alone God, I'll call you when I need you again Which is funny, everyone will sleep in the pews Then blame God for our problems like He sleeping on you We turn our backs on Him, what do you expect Him to do? It's hard to answer prayers when nobody's praying to you I look around at this world we walk on It's a smack in the face, don't ever tell me there's no God And if there isn't then what are we here for? And what are y'all doing down there? I don't know Lord
I mostly agree but people have seem to forgotten that just because kpop is now worldwide doesn't mean that it now jas adjusted to that and is opened up to the world. Have people forgotten how conservative Korea is? I'm talking about the Giselle and nct thing and the similar cases. Yes it wrong and they are in the wrong but they look at how much it happens in kpop you don't think that they do it just because they want to be racist and colorist and disrespectful? They ARE uneducated they seriously do not know. Kpop being as big as it is now doesn't suddenly shine a light of understanding on them. They likely won't learn from their mistakes and how much of the education will be translated to them. The company probably just says just apologize and say you didn't know, without them actually knowing what they did wrong and nobody to tell them. Sm isn't going to take the time to educate the idols about different cultures and what is and isn't acceptable. They are surround by people who think it is okay and have grown up thinking it is okay and will continue to have that message fed into their brain.
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For those who saw “fin” as the title, I saved videos as fin or final and forgot to change it lol, it’s good now!
i was gonna say cos i was so confused lol
I thought you were leaving TH-cam 😭😭😭
lmao
Start your own company
Honestly it be alot better then most of them now
Ok but don't use that word it can also be seen as short form for f slur
(The f slur which lisa used in as if it's ur last)
Aespa getting harassed by teen school boys is so horrible and I feel everyone should have made such a bigger fuss over it because no one was willing to take responsibility
Aespa are adults and those High school boys be barely 18. Believe me a lady should would have generally shouted and scolded them- saying bastards. As it's that one of typical behaviour.
You see those boys have no manners.
also since we're addressing the nct haechan situation, it's time to call out enhypen too for their behaviour towards sunoo. the amount of times he's been made fun of because of his weight is ridiculous
Yes, I was about to add it but I need to research it moreb
@@Sonyeonstan i understand!! i was writing it just cause
It's true. I wish sassy sunoo should comeback like how he judged other in iland. When Sunoo sassy queen back; that moment gonna be rip moment to enhypen who call him baymax elephant too much eating etc.;
Thank you, finally someone said it.
Ik
It would be interesting to do a deep dive into boy groups and their overlong history of passing off bullying as "friendly banter". It's such an ingrained thing in the industry that it's actually seen as doing members a favour when they're being told they're fat and ugly, and I think maybe it's time we talked about it and hopefully start to change it.
Yeah, and they always just have to laugh it off makes me so uncomfortable
enhypen, stray kids, exo and probably many more that I forgot about but those are the biggest examples lol
@@luvelix wait stray kids? can you tell me what exactly because i know nothing about stray kids bullying eachother except for the woojin scandal but he was innocent.
@@i_mirage If you talk only about relationship between the members, they always talk to each other like that in a 'friendly banter', most of the time they are like that towards Changbin, but there are also many examples when they say something to Han or Felix. And also Hyunjin? hello? he apologized to the person that he bullied at school because his career would be over, it was last year lol he was close to being kicked out just like woojin, but they couldn't kick out the most popular member, right? I wonder how he acts behind closed doors.
@@i_mirage I can say that i had few different opinions. Firstly i saw some compilations (what first i found on YT) where they were depict like rude, ignorant and mocking persons. I was like "i don't like how they behave". But there was no context so i watched some vlives, blogs, talkers and my favourite nowadays two kids room. And after this i understand their relationship better. I'm not assuming that i understand that fully. No one except of them can. But after watching this things i can clearly see how the same situation can be inverted if someone decided to do this like this compilations around YT. Also a lot of people have different "pain points" and what people assuming like mocking for some people just a joke even its about them. So now i see them as normal people with normal behavior, more like friends and sibling acting, not bullying or mocking.
Also, i really like your username😄
What Giselle did was definitely mocking
And those who are saying they are not offended please don't consider yourself as the speaker of the entire community Maybe we are sensitive , but atleast not ignorant to just let her slide away with what she did
Honestly I myself being Indian and Hindu I wasn’t really that offended but that is definitely kinda disrespectful
She should really keep her tongue and hands in check cause she had also offended the black community
Indian or Hindu kpop fans really just forgive idols for anything and that’s why there aren’t that many instances of idols getting called out for mocking Hindu culture but there are many instances of them doing that
what she did was definitely not mocking. dont use a korean name when youre a kpop hater.
@@kpopkpop881 nobody gave you the right to tell people how to feel about a certain situation. obviously not everybody is going to feel the same way you do, which is fine. so it's better to disagree in silence and move on. your comment is unnecessary.
I'm black and I wasn't offended at all.
@@sommerr.6248 cool, you're entitled to your opinions and thoughts, but they are still just YOUR opinions and thoughts, not the opinions and thoughts of the whole black community.
Am skinny and everyone in my family is skinny the truth is yea we get bloated it’s normal everyone gets bloated. Also the Han thing is so uncomfortable.
Really ? I'm skinny and rn I'm bloated my family fat shames me will it go away ?
@@stopsleepingonyejisvocalsu5422 awww that's so mean :(
I am the 'standard' of what ppl would call skinny even tho I literally don't workout bcz yk (although I don't have a flat stomach haha)
But yeah I get bloated when I eat gooood so yeah lol
@@ellalloyd17 oh I dont workout too lol
@@ellalloyd17 like I mean my arms and my face arent that fat my waist is snatched and my thighs are thick lol but it's only my belly
After the whole n word controversy with Giselle and how it was glossed over, I wasn't a huge fan of her. But seeing her mock my culture just put a bad taste in my mouth idk.
Edit : i have started a war in the replies, scroll at your own risk 💀 I'm gonna clarify that if you're not black, it doesn't give you the right to talk about the n word controversy. Same goes for the mocking Desi culture one. If you're not Desi, you have no right. No one "deserves" to be mocked lol, y'all just can't see ur idols in a bad way. I don't hate Giselle, I'm just disappointed in her actions
Giselle are budishit its her culture .
Deserved 😂
Same
thats just because youre another jealous hater, because she didnt mock anything here.
Same
for people who don't know, that gesture is pretty well known as a stereotype and is often done to mock desi culture, its actually nice if you don't know about it.
yes you can learn some gestures from the classical dances, that's what you call appreciating cultures
but
doing that one stereotypical move, boggling your head and laughing is what makes it mockery
I heard that she is a buddhist but idk
@@Moonwalkmj theres no gesture like that in buddhism, also she's not from the desi subcontinent
@Mohit Dahiya same thing
Desi culture means?
@@saeedashahnaz read it literally 💀
Can I tell you what made me uncomfortable these past weeks?
It’s how much hate Tae has gotten since the airport situation. So many are throwing such horrible words to Tae not knowing the situation.
So as I heard from different karticles about it, it’s that when waiting for Lisa, Bogum, Tae, it started to rain and the security had told the “fans” to go home as the situation could become really dangerous. They didn’t listen and if I remember correctly, there started fights between fans(reasoning behind it: so that they could get at the front for the better picture etc)
As it all was happening, Lisa came and waved and got in the car. Situation became worse, cause everyone started rushing to get the pics etc.
Security saw all that and said to Tae to go as fast as possible to the car so that the situation couldn’t get worse. In the end, everyone called him arrogant, cold even tho, when driving away, he waved at them through window.
So the first thing is that even tho he waved at the “fans”, he could’ve not done it and it would be okay cause if you’re a fan, you would have stayed at home, respected their privacy’s as it could make them uncomfortable and of course dangerous. That’s sasaeng behavior. Like how many times Idols have been mobbed and harassed at the airport. STAY AT HOME! They don’t own you nothing. Know your place.
The second thing is all the people who are saying “ if it was a female idol, they would have gotten so much hate” etc. So many are hiding behind this statement and calling him horrible names and ignoring the fact that right now, they are the ones hating on him.
Also agree on all you have said, great video🥰
it was horrible 💔 tae especially doesn't like being approached in public. his weverse letter for Hawaii armys is proof of that.
@@suksuk5191 YES, especially if you’re are an army, he has written in weverse about how happy and thankful he was when armys respected his privacy and left him alone so he could enjoy his holiday. If you’re going to airport for bts, don’t consider yourself an army if the boys especially Tae has said how uncomfortable it has made them y’all being there
Exactly, like y'all are dragging him so much because he didn't wave?
Oink but in Korea Airport Lisa came out later than V.
I think he got hate because of not bowing to reporters.
@@t.p5931 nope, he came last
The colorist and fatphobic jokes among kpop groups will never end. It comes from how normalized it is in their country/community they lived in. This behavior needs to be called out but to be honest, I don't see it changing anytime soon. Unless, of course, korean themselves changes their perspective on this "friendly banter".
The jisung one still makes me sick to my stomach I can't imagine how it must felt like for him and the way he had to pretend he wasn't uncomfortable and like he was enjoying it ,these idols r forced to pretend like they love it when fans cross boundaries like aespa smiling while getting mobbed. Wtf did this person think they would achieve from doing this like how twisted do u have to be to do that......
For all the giselle fans who are saying that we cannot expect idol to know about each and every culture . You guys are right she doesn't have to learn about my culture if she is not interested.BUT BUT BUT .....SHE BETTER STAY AWAY FROM MY CULTURE AND DOESN'T MOCK IT . If she did that move she must have seen the dance and without thinking twice that it maybe someones culture she did that . Also for those people who are saying why targetting only Giselle other idols do it too. Well it's not just about giselle we call every idol who mocks our culture but people like you come and start defending them because of which they never learn and the cycle continues .
You guys don't understand how a person feels when they spend 9 to 10 years to learn an art form but people start making fun of it because it looks weird to them . Imagine seeing people doing such step on tiktok and social media without knowing they are mocking our culture just because their favourate idols did it . If we don't call this out then such things will start getting normalized . Which is NOT OKAY .
THISS!!! WHY IS THIS SO UNDERRATED!! PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THIS!
THANK YOU! YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!
As someone who has been learning Bharatnatyam since age 8, you tell them girl !!!
I AGREE WITH YOU. Im not an indian but i absolutely agree. Some ppl are like "i am an indian but i didnt get offended" or "as a part of the indian community i forgive her" like ok who are you to forgive her for her actions when she didnt apologise.
@@jeonbunny633 YESSS!!! OMG this srsly. Yk rather than "forgiving" her when she didn't even apologise we could teach her where she went wrong.
Jennie isn’t even « bloated » she is just not tucking her belly in… it’s basically just resting idk it looks normal to me😭
Ikr
That's how I look 24/7 fr
She also had bad posture so i think yeah that adds upon too
And being bloated is normal like wth
@@nobodyelse7911 I wouldn't blame her lol, I wouldn't feel comfortable standing up straight in an underboob outfit in the fear of flashing
Haechan 🤝 Sunoo
Both being bullied by their own group 👬
I'm not a huge nct stan so i don't know a lot. has mark also made such comments?
@@kill3008 nope. Jaemin and Mark have never made such a comment against Haechan. The only ones who did were Chenle, Jeno, Jisung, Renjun, Doyoung and Yuta. Yuta and Doyoung apologised and never did it again but the Dream members have no shame at this point.
for real...
atleast they stopped plus i dont think fatshaming is not the same a bullying. Yes sunoo may look uncomfortable i mean we all would be. But i know they did in fact fat shame him. But not bullying. Also sunoo isnt a damsel in distress nor do you all have to be victimizing him. Either way they stopped but i see alot of sunoo stans pulling the "bullying card" to hate on members like niki
@@Mochaewon_9770 Fat shaming is a type of bullying tho, especially when a bunch people gather around to make fun or humiliate a single individual's body/appearance.
Everyone is talking about Giselle and don’t get me wrong, that’s really bad and I’m not tryna say it ain’t, but we’ve gotta talk about the Han one. Why would that girl get on a fan call with L!NGERIE on and speak to him like that? Get that thing outta the stray kids fandom and on a s3x offenders register instead PLEASE.
"But the worst one" never compare these types of situations, just don't do it. They're all equally as bad.
so you're saying getting on a call with a random person wearing lingerie is worse than racism.... be serious immediately.
@@uzimingi they have their own opinion, why not at least you try to respect their opinion rather than asking them to be "serious"😐
@@uzimingi racism and sexual harassment are both terrible lmfao
@@aieqall3127 bad opinion
Let's be real, most kpop idols, koreans are colorist and racist. It's just that it's masked by them and sometimes it comes off on these shows accidentally
They literally have fans with different skin colours so seeing them joking or insulting about it is just sad.
Legit..... like imagine you are at a fansign with them and you are so happy to finally see them but you don't know that in their heads they might have bad thoughts towards you
As someone who has tan skin colour, i feel so sad...
Not gonna lie but I think that the 4th generation idols are not as much educated as they should be not in an insulting way it's just that I think as they trained at young age, as amber said " being in the industry where you are told how to look,how to act like;
Justt...idk
the previous generations were way worser though. blackface, colorism and cultural appropriation are more seen in the 1st , 2nd and 3rd gen than they are seen in the 4th generation. it's just that a lot of us do not let people get away with being disrespectful anymore. i believe the entire kpop industry needs to introduce some sort of sensitivity classes to trainees since they will become global stars. it's about time.
But you'd think that with how much 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen idols have fucked up and gotten criticised ruthlessly... 4th gen idols would be more aware of what to do and not what to do, etc. But no...
@@tanya19-d3k 4th gen is pretty much better when it comes to CA and racism. 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen idols had no. of CA , racist actions and other problematic stuff done.
Tbh the newer idols might not be perfect and they never will be, but I think they’re far more educated than the idols from previous generations. I refuse to support groups like BTS and Mamamoo because of their history with racism and colourism and even Korean fans who live in Korea have said that BTS, Mamamoo and many other groups are incredibly racist.
I'd love to see a video about more of NCT's problematic behavior. Frankly, idk how many general kpop fans (including myself) know much about it. If one idol or group messes up but changes/ learns from their mistake that is fine, but if they can't keep their act straight that's another thing entirely!
learning about their problematic behaviors is what made me unstan them. i used to have them in my ult list but so many of them have done so much and they keep doing it.
It's the fact that it never stops, it would have been better if they stopped and never did it again, if they didn't apologize it wouldn't have made a difference... at least if they stopped it would have been better
@@tanya19-d3k Agreed. But it is unfortunate they never changed
they just never learn :/ And I don't think they ever will. I'd honestly understand if they did something years ago and apologized. But they continue to do problematic things and not even apologize for it which is unacceptable. Worst thing is that the group continues to grow and act this way. People question them for a few days and then the fire dies.
@@rivertothemoon mate your have RM in your picture, you can’t unstan one group for being “too problematic” yet turn a blind eye to your faves and their problematic behaviour 🙄 armies honestly shouldn’t even dare talk about other group’s problematic behaviour considering they can’t seem to fully acknowledge and hold their own idols accountable
NCT is my ult group but I'm not gonna make excuses for their behavior. Haechan is my bias and it really hurts seeing some of them make fun of him :/ I wish they would atleast apologize.
I understand you because they are also my ult and I am a sunflower, but also the members, except for Jisung, recently he has not said those things again and we do not know if they have given the apology or not, because that is a private matter since the apology It is for Haechan, not for us, but I hope that with the criticism that Jisung received, the situation will not repeat itself and the group is becoming more global, so from experience with other groups this helps more
@@MissS0.0 yeah my comment is from 10 months ago. I definitely agree that Haechan should be the one receiving the apology, not us. They look close so I'm sure everythings fine!
Someone did an exhibition of Jk images (exposed body parts images ) from recent concert where he wore black shirt type with a long chain . There were so many images where his chest was exposed .What if it was a female idol ?Since Jk is a man , this situation is being ignored .Armys are calling out this person , hope they get sued .
Also ,it feels so creepy to see female idols dancing in front of Military .Is this done till today ? I saw RV & Twice performance in front of them and never searched for such videos because it looked so disgusting .
You are so right about the double standards towards men !
Ok but a girl would be very uncomfortable if she was in those type of...dress and i don't think anyone wamts any girls to expose her chest but if she want then..ok!
@@MOONLIGHT-cz2wp uhm shut up
7:30 even worse when in most cases haechan clearly wants the conversation to move past the skin colour stuff.
I never knew NCT was so colourist wtf 💀
Me too
You're new then ☠️
Lol your new literally there like tons of racist stuff they said even racist stuff not just colourist
@@markovazz I'm not an NCT stan, thanks for asking
@@suhaosman3610 again, I'm not an NCT stan, thanks for asking
the thing I loved the most in this video: the person gave ideas and ways to make things work correctly and in a secure way (like the aespa's case), and not only told that was a wrong thing and only this.
And here I am,thinking Giselle changed and grew out of it to see her mocking my culture. Most of the SM artists are known for these stuff so I should`nt have been surprised
Jennie once admitted in a show, that she bloats even after drinking a small amount of water. In conclusion she bloats easily.
I am not a Skz fan or I am not a STAY but that Han thing is disgusting af. Like treat your idols like idols not like your partner.
And SM idols going to the school where the CEO of SM studied in, is like a ritual. After you perform in the boys school, then you are officially a SM Artist. But the CEO of SM should’ve gave ÆSPA some security, ( like obviously 🙄 ), also I shouldn’t be saying this, isn’t that like common sense…….
Please make a video about the dance move issue it really needs to be addressed. As an Indian Classical Dancer myself, we are taught the significance of mudras and what they mean. I have made threads 2 times explaining why its wrong to do this and always there are people like: "Oh I am desi and not offended" or "Bollywood does this" which is annoying considering being desi doesnt mean yk about it unless you have learnt it. Indian classical dances are said to have been performed in front of Hindu Gods and the dances are used to depict instances that you would read about or see in shows dedicated to Ramayana or Mahabharata or even random instances related to Hindu Gods. There is no restriction such as "Only Hindus/Desis can do Indian Classical Dances" it only asks for respect. That brings me to the 2nd statement about bollywood which is have you ever seen how bollywood always makes mockery of things? They literally made a movie called Dostana where the leads pretend to be gay so that they can get the girl they have a desire for and you think they would represent something correctly? You are a moron to believe bollywood (except for a few movies like the Kashmir Files which is based on actual incidents)
The worst part is fans bringing BTS into it 💀
And I'm pretty sure people were overreacting with Twice
And people who aren't even a Desi are saying they are 😭 and that they don't find anything wrong with it like-
I'm done with people saying they are a Desi on Twitter and discord when they are either Americans or east Asians
And even if itzy or blackpink did it
It's doesn't make Giselle innocent what logic is that ?!
honestly it's really sad what happens to haechan since debut until now, they don't stop talking sh*t about his skin color and his weight. It's crazy bcs even when haechan is not there they keep bringing his weight and his skin color. the worst of it all is to see people from the fandom defending these attitudes, making unreasonable comparisons and using the "they are friends" card.
i never forget the expression on haechan's face in a "ridin" era video when jisung told him to stop eating because he was fat. when he made that expression and lowered his head a little, seriously it left me with a mixture of anger and sadness. It's been years and nothing changes. that's why i don't support jisung anymore.
The ones that don't really criticize Jisung were Dreamzens,you know that many are secretly Haechan's haters, so they always ignore the attacks on him, but the rest of the fandom did criticize, and honestly with what you say I feel that I agree a little, the other members have learned and left that but what about him and jeno? I give them the opportunity even because I think that now with their tour where they will meet and meet different types of people, this may teach them to be more respectful because they are no longer in the Korean bubble, but if this continues like this then I think that up to here arrive with him.
Many people says Giselle is doing a Buddhism pose but even those who are in the religion says the head bopping isn't a part of it. I wish Giselle learns, the other 3 are suffering bc of it and those who she offended too, that's really sad.
No its buddhism you cant hate on her bec she doing her culture
@@nextlevel5802 1. I'm not hating on her. 2. If you're Buddhist can you confirm what I said about the head bopping? I genuinely want to know, it would make the situation clearer for everyone and avoid drama.
@@Uzjuzuzjzjz3 baby i was resreache abuddhist and this is in thier culture my english is bad i dont know how to make you understand but go research about it
@@Uzjuzuzjzjz3 alsoo this momvent was doing from 2gen was in 2ne1 dance of choreochraphy alsoo there are many idols who do that like itzy member but when giselle do it now its racist
@@nextlevel5802 I know it's a very similar pose, but again those who are in the religion said the movement with her head isn't part of it. But I'm not Buddhist, I just trust what they said. I don't see how if she's recreating 2ne1 makes it better, the dance was also called out for mocking Desi. And yes, it's true that others kpop idols did it but I guess their mistake wasn't trending so nobody could call them out, I'm not saying it's good, it's sad for those who are in the culture constantly being mocked without the idols learning.
Literally nothing wrong with getting bloated, I get bloated too literally normal
With the Han thing...idk i feel like i see a lot more clips like that with male idols (i saw some really bad vernon ones), it seems like female fans of boy groups are less likely to perceive their inappropriate behavior in fan calls as harassment. I hate when people pull the role reversal "but if a man did this to a woman, he'd be crucified!!!" thing, but that kinda applies here
Jennie might was on her period,eat and drunk. Pliz let my girls breath we have our things
I saw that Jennie video and just thought it was a video of her just dancing 💃
Why do they not educate these idols while they're trainees like... What's so hard?
a lot of them don't even get a normal education, are we really surprised?
I don't like how you're acting like those boys were just "being boys". They're old enough to understand basic human decency, they just don't care and fully deserve the criticism and consequences. Some mad victim blaming skills...
SM really does need to invest in sensitivity training classes for their idols, every generation of their idols have been involved in fatshaming/colorism ughhh disgusting
3:18 I think I will support you when you have your own company
I don’t stan nct but knowing they bully a member for how they look is sad and very disappointing and I would like it if you made. Video about all the problematic things nct has done not because I hat them I like their songs as well but because I want to be educated about each member and see their change and growth, or if they still act like a holes
No but I lowkey love Haechan we share the same Birthday date
@@AminchapFomenky the main reason I started stanning nct was because of Haechan... his vocals are heaven😭💜
I just got scared by seeing the title
I'm a Desi but i didn't find that move too offending maybe because I don't learn classical dances but yes girlie needs to be held accountable asap wtf is she even doing. Fr she needs to stop making controversies and be educated. Aespa is one of my ults and I don't want them to end up with bad reputation
Even i didn't found it offending until i found out how much effort and months/years these dances take
no sane person did. its only haters acting offended for some attentoin as always.
@@kpopkpop881 no there are some people who are offended but not haters it's not like everyone who doesn't like this action is a hater
@@tiramiseul yes, thats exactly what it means. when you attack an idol who hasnt done anything wrong, then you are a hater.
@@kpopkpop881 Giselle did something wrong. Don't play that. Although she didn't know it was wrong, she should have been more careful.
Thanks for this video ! I am very bad with words so just know that I really appreciate your hard work and you seem like a genuinely good person 😊 I would also love if you make a video about that dance. Hope you stay well👍
1. I dont even think SM cares. Who sends 4 girls and 1 female manager to a all boy school without proper security? Smh
2.Why r people so obsessed with people bodys in kpop? (And its not only the korean audiens, then international to)
3.Eww.. That girl has no shame or self-respect. If I was Han I would of turned it of and blamed it on the wifi
4.Poor Haechul :( Can they just let him be? They r the people his going to meet almost everyday andthem shaming him is just..blah
5.Giselle needs to stop bieng so ignorant. First the N-word now mocking dessi culture...
I dont even think this girl cares... (And the laugh she did afterwards...pls 😒)
Thanx 4 an awsome video💜
My girl Giselle did it again :/
My stomach has always been an insecurity because I get bloated despite being otherwise pretty skinny, what would these people think of me lol
4’th July, Monday 2022
4.40 PM
Dear MYs,
Please hold your idol, Aeri Uchinaga (stage name: Giselle) accountable for her actions, as it is offending to many Desi ppl.
Ty for your time,
~ Your Fellow Indian K-Pop fan
Not saying for all desis but for the desi people who agree with me
WHAT GISELLE DID WAS IGNORANT AND NOT RACIST IF SHE HAD DONE IT TWICE THEN THE HATE WAS GENUINE BUT FOR NOW SHE ONLY NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ABOUT THE SITUATION
Exactly. I thought I was only one to think like this.
This has happened in kpop so many times that now it is just mocking at this point .
They all are so just so problematic
Like agency can make then shut about many unnecessary things those things which should be normal
But not about rasism or body shaming atleast to keep their image better now that they are getting world wide
Also
I've seen so sooooo many reels or memes made as a laugh about girls complementing each other as if girls are doing something wrong
And then compare them to boys who say thing like those ( friendly slandering ) to their friends
Saying that's what true friend ship is
You'll find many reels tiktok and meme about friend and best friend comparison
I find them utterly unrealistic and nonsense
They are creating toxic standard every where
You're a psychopath if 6ou put pineapple on pizza
You are a psychopath if you put milk before
You're not a true friend if you wait for your friend when they tying their shoes lace
You're a best friend when you suck off your friends money
Or call them pig
OR tell them they look like a monkey when they ask how they look in particular cloths
It's getting on my nerves
the fact that the video of jennie has 17.4 million views! and no one reported it?!
I’m pretty sure many did but TikTok just didn’t take it down 🤷🏻♀️
What a beautiful voice you have omg!
about nct situation some it's just jokes but some time the members take too far that the mocked members maybe feel inscure i dont hate any member i just dont like it when they joke about that member's skin colour or his body but also we dont know if they were just "joking" and the member was fine with it or not but also they shouldnt joke like that bc there's others could feel inscure or hurt yk
don't mind me if I wrote something wrong english is not my native language
since aespa was mobbed I always said that they should've gotten into the school when the boys had classes, so on break or next class aespa would have their speach and performance
I hope people realise it's not the head bobbing itself that's offensive, it's the randomly doing it knowing it is stereotypical and then laughing (as if they are making fun of us and our culture). There are also some idols who've done this but was clearly not mockery. Head bobbing does not "belong" to a culture and we cannot gatekeep that movement.
As a Desi, I don't feel offended. It's just what she did to our culture right on that moment was disrespectful. That laugh she gave after mocking was just so cringe that I had to give her a side eye. No hate towards any group, But I've seen a lot of idols mocking different cultures. Meanwhile when they get disrespected overseas.... ok leave it, let's not talk about it. The only thing we can do is canceling her, maybe that'll fix her.
i myself ult nct but what enrages me the most is when some nctzens try to pass the “jokes” they make as funny and that theyre only being said cause theyre close cause its clearly not nice or funny at all
Don’t worry Haechan now how to defend himself 😂
He shouldn’t have to
just 2days ago Giselle fans were saying lisa is using blaccent in her rap, she doesnt know how to rap she only blaccent. they also said she is a racist for doing braids. Now you see your idol is way worse. At least Lisa did not say N word she was appreciatiating the culture without any mockery. Although i spoke on behalf of Giselle that she didnt have bad intentions on saying Nword this time the owners of the culture will decide to if its offensive or not and if they want to forgive or not.
I feel so bad for Han 🥺
SM sending Aespa t Coachella, Macy parade in the USA to a boys high school in Korea?! Like wtf are they local school performers? Why cant they even score a university festival gig. They intentionally did this to get that mob scandal for clout
I'm actually really happy that the black community took action on Giselle unless like the brown community 🙄
I was a vixx stan but they stayed talking about N's skin i couldn't even listen to their music anymore. Seeing that shit as a black fan is so uncomfortable
Aespa one and han one hurt me so bad.
It is funny how you added Doyoung and Yuta one but never added the clip where they apologized and never did it again.
The dream ones? I don't defend them, they've done it so many times like I'm just tired.
Giselle herself is a Buddhist
And she is fully aware of the movement she has added to the dance
And I hate those who want to defend Gisele
Because she really did something wrong and this is not the first time
I hope one day she will be wise
I should also add that I myself am a fan of the aespa and I do not give any hates to my girls
The nct thing really disappointed me coz extra melanin isn't something to be ashamed of
as nctzen but also Sunflower (Haechan fans) you really have to stop generalizing and wanting to stain the entire group (all the members), they speak as if all of nct did it or continues to do it when it's not like that, with the only members that there has been a problem in these times (I mean currently) it was with jisung (and I think jeno) but for the rest no one has said something like that to haechan again, and also if nobody deletes the videos or censors Those parts are like this because they don't see it as a problem, for Korean society it's normal to talk about it like this, that's why the editor doesn't even insist on removing it or something, because they see it as normal, but as I already told you, nct really hasn't back to being like this and only by one member, it cannot be condemned that supposedly everyone is still the same, and well, let's hope that with the criticism that nctzen gave Jisung this time, it won't happen again, but they wouldn't have to give a public apology either because it was something between them, as colleagues and friends and they are going to talk about it in private and the apology same.
I also think that something that helps groups to open their minds is when they go beyond Korea/Asia, nctdream that some members would be the current problem, with their tour and that's how they already left Korea and have already met many different type fans, so I hope this helps become more aware.
Those people may have never heard of bloating..... It's such a normal thing
why did aespa even get sent to an all boys school anyway...
Tbh i know they’re just teasing and probably mean no harm, my sister fat-shame me as a teasing but i started feeling insecure but one time i talked about it to her, she apologized seriously and never did it again. So i just hope NCT and Enhypen members can at least talk about it and apologize and never do it again in the future to Sunoo and Haechan, it’s just up to them to forgive or not. Besides, i don’t think NCT dream actually don’t care about Haechan considering the fact that they literally grow up together, it’s just that they don’t know that their teasing might cause harm to Haechan so i really hope they sincerely apologize to him even if we don’t know it. Things like this… if it keeps going on, it doesn’t matter if it’s your family or close friend as long as you apologize way too late your relationship is bound to get ruined so i hope they solve this early (both the group). This is just my opinion…
Giselle is just digging a deep grave for herself i’m sorry i dont like her
I already didn’t after the n word thing but i thought of giving her a second chance but now she mocked our culture its super annoying and offending
I’ll never support her in anything
That’s what I’m going to do.I’m going to eventually make a company myself.And actually treat them like a human being
Giselle one made me uncomfortable and it looks like it was on purpose. Another thing Nct (most of the sm artists) are problematic af like when Nct came with 'Make a wish' they basically danced on prayer mats which are used by muslims to pray. The lyrics were also very uncomfy knowing that they were dancing infront of our prophet's grave if your not a muslim or won't know much about islam you wouldn't understand. Like bruh sm didn't even took any type of action of it and many ppl avoided talking about it and i get that it wasn't the members fault but sm should give them education about cultures not just sm all of the companies should but sadly all they care about is money:/
What prophet's grave? Idk about this. I thought theres only the kubah-like building only which is debunked later on...
Theres no prayer mats. I think you are mistaken
@@Nek0sketch Maybe you should see for yourself, go watch the whole video again
@@notsmol3961 no need. i had rewatch the vid thousand times because the song is a bop but i just dont see it. What prayer mats? They are just a carpet. From my own research nothing comes up regarding your claim about nct dancing in front of the prophet's tomb. At first i did get uncomfortable too but i just think this controversy is stupid except the use of certain text in their live show etc.
Yeah whatever. Do what you want. Sorry for my bad choice of word. Have a good day
about NCT one, if they could act like that towards their own friend in front of thousands of people.. prepare yourself because they could shaming their fans off camera, its still possible tho. that's why y'all don't put idol high on the pedestal because y'all didn't know them personally.
For the Giselle case I get all the backlash she got since her n word controversy.. But I feel like this generation with the development of social media and the internet hold every living creature accountable for "being offensive" towards their culture.. You don't expect idols to know about every single thing from every single culture cuz it's unrealistic.. I would rather take such situations as an opportunity to teach said idols about the culture not scrutinize their existence *not even getting a result out of it*... This generation tend to lash out about the smallest things.. So when real issues and cultures are disrespected purposefully its not even gonna be taken seriously cuz this generation is looked at as bunch of whiney teens.. and this is coming from a fan who's culture and religion been disrespected before by ignorance.. What Giselle did was pure ignorance.. And you're not gonna tell me that she thought oh wait let me do the dance and laugh afterwards to mock that specific culture.. It's spontaneous.. Just cuz we're behind screen we feel secure to feel mad at public figures.. But if we follow this generation's logic every single one of us has disrespected a culture in the world at least once in their lives starting from me.. Let's get rid of cancel culture rather educate people.
you know, I'm not desi so I cannot say whether or not you guys should feel offended. That being said I think there is a different between mocking and just doing simple gestures. Also, I understand it is unrealistic for them to know every cultures in the world and to understand the taboos, the dos and donts but we shouldn't just let them go and be ignorant. What she did IS SPONTANEOUS but that is the problem! Why is the first reaction when you are doing someone else's dance or following someone else's culture laughing?? That's really weird if you ask me and that also shows what you thought of said dance.
@@czssaeris9086 how do you agree that it was spontaneous while in the same phrase say that she laughed at the dance mocking it... I doubt that she laughed at the dance specifically she was laughing with fans.. Cuz let's think logically for a sec.. Her being an idol her whole career depends on weather people like her or not why would she go all the way to a specific Indian dance *I personally didn't knew it until now* and mock the dance out of the blue.. It was ignorant from her part which is excusable the first time.. If someone repeats the same mistake twice here I agree with the whole holding her accountable thing
@@evelina2060 you know that when something is spontaneous, it reflects on how the person is thinking and how they perceive things. Because it is subconscious they don't have time to think about it. My question is why is the first thing you do when you do that gesture, that I believe she knows belongs to certain cultures (because we know a lot of kpop idols have been called out because of this), is to laugh at it? Furthermore, why did she do it in the first place? Clearly she finds it so amusing that she laughs like that. In this day, it is impossible to not know about cultural appropriation and stuff. And as much as I want to understand her, she doesn't learn from the n word incident. One time is an honest mistake, but repeating it again when you are clearly in the face of the public just plain ignorant and dumb if you ask me. If she genuinely cared she would've learned.
@@evelina2060 and no, again I'm not indian so I'm don't have a say in if that's offensive or no. But too many desis have come forward and say that it's disrespectful. So it is safe to say that there is a problem in this. AND SO MANY (not one or two) kpop idol in the past have received this criticism. Your argument is based on whether or not she knows about it. I hardly believe she doesn't because it is a common occurance that is happening in the kpop industry, over and over again. You must be living under a rock to not know that :)
@@czssaeris9086 me not knowing about a culture doesn't mean I live under a rock.. I could question you about my culture.. I doubt you would know anything about it and that's completely FINE.. The discussion here is not solely about the dance specifically but rather a discussion about scrutinizing idols each time they "offend" a culture.. Some desis were offended while others WERE NOT.. check in the comment.. Which side should we take.. And us not being part of the culture doesn't mean we can't think and differenciate between what's offensive or not.. There's a fine line between being ignorant and being racist or mock other cultures and we tend to blur that line out and THAT makes the whole difference
about the haechan thing... even if they are 'friends joking around with each other', it doesn't mean it's not wrong?? i mean, they should watch their words, they are well known celebrities. how can they make fun of a member's body and skin tone in front of a camera and expect the fans to not get mad and offended? don't they know that they also have fans with darker skin and more weight and that their comments and 'jokes' might be offensive? just because they didn't have the intention to hurt someone, it doesn't mean they didn't. btw haechan isn't even fat, they just like to make fun of him. spreading all that 'be yourself, be beautiful' message while saying those things is the actual joke here.
Ah yes fin
As someone who is less than a minute into the video, I’m already traumatised.
That poor man really was trampled
The costumes of the first clip are so pretty and ethereal
I realy love your videos and i also think that what Giselle did was bad but i think that caling her least biased for a reason is kinda rude, its just my opinion and feel free to disagre
I agree that was uncalled for.
can u make a compilation of kpop idols disrespecting desis
All of those boys grabbing at Aespa is…Jesus Christ. I’d be having a panic attack.
Your voice 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰💜💜💜💜
no cause giselle never learns
3:49 this whole thing is just pure hate, how tf do you spit so much on a woman that has done nothing wrong to nobody because she got bloated after eating ?
Do yall get too at ease with her and forget she's just another human or??
I was at the the concert when Giselle did “the thing” and I’m so glad I didn’t see it it and was to busy recording winter and didn’t find out until a few weeks later becuese it definitely would’ve messed up the emotional significance of that night
We all are aware that in video and photo we look different that doesn't mean it is photoshopped .
Cause even me my thighs are huge but in photos it appears a little slimmer ,Maybe even jennies photo appears like that .
Tbh I'm not really offended because of Giselle coz we can't expect each and every person to know about each and every culture. Here, in India we used to mock East Asians a lott. And it's still there. Everyone has their own way of looking at cultures and it depends on the background in which you've grown. I don't expect Japanese/ Korean people to know everything about our culture since we don't know about their culture either
But it's also not right to do that as an idol and not expect some sort of backlash considering the n word controversy
I don't ever want any one my ults to come in india because the amount of disrespectful behaviour they will see here, being called "Chinese","gay",lots of other disrespectful things,and i agree with you
Unless u don't have access to social.media or any place where atkeast sime1 speaks out on this or knowledge on how some things are sensitive to other cultures, I don't think it an excuse to mock any culture
no, as an indian i find it VERY disrespectful that she did that. Its literally fucking agitating to be genralized by one move which takes YEARS to master. not knowing about other culture and it being normal is NOT an excuse to let this shit slide. Because if one knows nothing bout a culture than better not bring it up. ESPECIALLY in front of a fucking crowd
@@HELLOIRIS Fr
its tru that its not just Giselle i think its the whole industry apart from the exception idols cuz its tru that kpop is made up of so many other genre's of music like desi style music and hip hop. and i think thats also a problem with how knetz treat foreign idols when they debut in a group even tho the industry itself is semi based off other cutural sounds for example thai idols and even Fatou. so its insulting when idols dont respect the tru origins and other cultures of people that made them known in the music industry. im probs gonna get hate for this but whatever.
1. All the money and still SM failed to provide a proper security for Aespa, smh. Also the school’s statement is nothing but a 🐴 sht.
Why even sen aespa to an ALL BOYS school?
2. Jennie have saggy stomach and bad physical posture and guess what there is no problem with it. The photoshopping was weird tho. But we move on.
3. The whole Han thing was just - JAIL. Setting him up like that was just - JAIL.
4. SM idols being colourist? Wbk. It’s like they take a special course on it. There is nothing friendly about it.
5. I see Gisele and Jennie always seem to go out their way to mock desi culture huh? smh.
Can you explain the last point about Gisele I can't understand it
jennie has said many times that she gets bloated easy.
India or any other country is not for cultural appropriation especially when you have a large population of fans coz of whom you are becoming successful and rich.. I feel like they didn't go to school and never learned to respect cultures and morals of other countries..
Umm i have learnt idian classical dance and let me tell u it is so difficult it takes a lifetime to perfect the moves. Before starting dancing we actually do a gesture in respect to the dance doing it with shoes on is a taboo so ignwe need to stop
Which text to speech app do u use?
its their own voice i think
@@tan8802 oh rlly? But that's sounds like a voice of a computer
I'm someone who has a similar body type to jennie and I also work out on the daily. but guess what happens when I eat? my tummy bloats. it's natural and not shameful. imagine shaming someone for having a normally functioning body 💀
Fin?😂
Lol I forgot to change the title. I save videos as fin or final before uploading lol
To be honest i can understand how aespa feel at that time high school boys are worst mostly ... Like these are only some like 1 in a 100 behaviour is well otherwise they try to harasso u or make u feel uncomfortable 😣
Everybody wants change
Nobody wanna change though
Nobody wanna pray
Till they got something to pray for
Everybody's gonna die
But don't everybody live though
Sometimes I look up to the sky
And wonder do you see us down here?
Oh Lord, do You see us down here?
It's easy to blame God but harder to fix things
We look in the sky like, "why ain't You listening?"
Watching the news in our living rooms on the big screens
And talking about "if God's really real, then where is He?"
You see the same God that you're saying might not even exist
Becomes real to us, but only when we're dying in bed
When ya healthy it's like, we don't really care for Him then
Leave me alone God, I'll call you when I need you again
Which is funny, everyone will sleep in the pews
Then blame God for our problems like He sleeping on you
We turn our backs on Him, what do you expect Him to do?
It's hard to answer prayers when nobody's praying to you
I look around at this world we walk on
It's a smack in the face, don't ever tell me there's no God
And if there isn't then what are we here for?
And what are y'all doing down there?
I don't know Lord
I mostly agree but people have seem to forgotten that just because kpop is now worldwide doesn't mean that it now jas adjusted to that and is opened up to the world. Have people forgotten how conservative Korea is? I'm talking about the Giselle and nct thing and the similar cases. Yes it wrong and they are in the wrong but they look at how much it happens in kpop you don't think that they do it just because they want to be racist and colorist and disrespectful? They ARE uneducated they seriously do not know. Kpop being as big as it is now doesn't suddenly shine a light of understanding on them. They likely won't learn from their mistakes and how much of the education will be translated to them. The company probably just says just apologize and say you didn't know, without them actually knowing what they did wrong and nobody to tell them. Sm isn't going to take the time to educate the idols about different cultures and what is and isn't acceptable. They are surround by people who think it is okay and have grown up thinking it is okay and will continue to have that message fed into their brain.
i like nct but they're way too much problematic.
I’m done with Giselle istg