He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The Cascavel and Urutu are still used in Colombia and Ecuador. The Colombian ones are subject to constant improvements, they have proved effective in the COIN role for many years.
@@maurosergio3752 , its not just governamet fault. They put a lot of money on Osorio project ( a great MBT how never saw a contract) and Irac's default bankrupt the compani. unfortunately, the governnamet do to litle to help then aftert that. Brazilians Casacavel will receve a update now days (supose be thar year, but ...)
Hello from Cyprus . 1984 to 1986 i was a sergeant in a tank unit .. we had about 50 Cascavels in my unit and if i remember corectly we had about 150 Cascavels in different units in the island , i drove them.. shoot with all the weapons . excelent tank.. we also had the Jaracaca which is an Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle also made in Brazil
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
I served on a Cascavel Tank in the Cypriot National Guard, very easy tanks to maintain and reliable. Of course they were getting quite old but could still go just over 100kmh on the highways and the gun still packed a punch (although not very accurate at all). The ones in service with Cyprus also have laser range finders above the 90mm in a metal box that opens. Furthermore the engines we had were not Mercedes, but Detroit Diesels that had an output of 215HP. Armament consisted of the 90mm, a 7.62 co-axial and a .50cal on top. Cyprus is also the only western country to ever operate this family of tanks, including the E-11 Urutu and the EE-3 Jararaca (which was not mentioned in the video).
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Nice info men , thanks for share with us . Honestly , I really don't knew it that Cascavel and another much brazilians armored vehicles was been exported for Cyprus .
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
It depends because the Brazilian government itself and the Americans killed it (the only one left was Avibras, but others like Engesa, Bernardini and etc. were simply eliminated mainly during the government of Collor de Melo, an anti-national liberalist)
The investment on Osorio wasn't the main reason why Engesa bankrupted, it was just the final punch. When Iraq started some conflicts it denied the payments of U$200 million. Brazil was also in the middle of the worst economic crisis so it only amplified the terrible conditions. It's a shame that this company didn't survived to show us what it could bring to life.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Yep, if Osorio was a few years earlier, Iraq should have a lot of them.... imagine them with a tank that could face M1A1. Of course they would probably be defeat by air strikes but... lol
Hi. I am the son of the founder of ENGESA. You're right. in fact, Iraq's default was 250m. The economic crisis, the interference of the American government so that Saudi Arabia did not buy Osório were the other problems. This other documentary talks about that. th-cam.com/video/FSEwiEEwIT4/w-d-xo.html
I absolutely love armored cars, especially ones from Brazil, South Africa and the like. Fantastic video on a vehicle that doesn't get enough attention.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@Joshua_N-A It was, but the United States, seeing that it was going to lose a millionaire contract, said: the deal sold rattlesnake to its enemy! The Saudis saw and did not want equipment from a company that sold other equipment to their enemies! Shortly thereafter the pledge entered a crisis of 2 billion REAIS (currency of Brazil) and came to bankrupt shortly thereafter Really the osorio was superior
@@maurosergio3752 Malaysia could've get some of the Osorios, at least 50 MBTs minimum. We were looking for an MBT back in the 90's. ENGESA could also make a joint venture with Malaysian heavy industry companies and aiding Malaysia in defense industry.
Glad to see this video, as my father was an Urutu driver when doing service in the brazilian army and also took a driver's course on the Cascavel. I remember when there were parties at the barracks and it was fun time when the kids were allowed to enter the Urutu
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@quuickscopezz9965 σου λέει πως η βραζιλιάνικη εταιρεία που τα κατασκευάζει έκλεισε, και τα ονόματα cascavel, jararaca(που επίσης έχουμε) και urutu, είναι ονόματα φιδιών
There is actually a fascinating history to toilet roll. The word first appears in the 15th century as a word to describe the journey a night soil man would take, wheeling his barrow to a local boat or farm. Later it came to mean a distinctive kind of bread. The modern word is actually a corruption of the French 'etoile et scroll'. Which refers to a rolled up piece of canvas, in those days, washed and reused. Of course no history would be complete without mentioning the Slavic precursor to the ticker tape parade, which was definitely not a mark of celebration and respect, given that the toilet roll was used. There was also the WW2 dance, supposedly based on the moves one needed to do to clean oneself without the need for (rationed) toilet roll.
@@benholroyd5221 Funny thing - The Teutonic Order when setting a new defense castle always designed and made a sort of toilet - orier. One with a hole in the floor. It was constructed above the castle moat - so you could always keep your No 2 outside the stronghold area. Every such oriel had a big paintbrush for whitewashing hanging down to the water on a rope. After making his 2 a teutonic knight pulled up a wet paintbrush to swipe his.. butt clean with it. It was a great idea, a way to keep these castles clean from many diseases. These that unknown at the time were spreaded in towns way too easy among all of the common folks...
The EE-9 Cascavel has always been a favorite of mine. I saw the old Iraqi ones parked at the Taji "tank park" at Taji/Camp Cook back in 2004. At the time, most of the US Army's convoy asset gun trucks were Humvees and 5-tons with cobbled-together "hillbilly armor" and I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going. Eventually we got MRAPS but I still think dedicated armored cars with either chain guns or some sort of medium cannon would be seriously useful. Thanks for the great tank chat!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
> I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going. The motor can be a Mercedes diesel bus engine, it's designed to be that adaptable and repairable. I'm willing to bet that if someone could have made a sufficiently apple-pie pork barrel proposal, we could have nicked the whole lot and wound up calling them something like the M-Manynumbers Diamondback or something. And yeah, while it probably wouldn't have fared _very_ well against IEDs, the Cascaval would definitely have been a lot better than a hillbilly-armored Hummvee - which was unfortunately pressed into (shittily) performing the battlespace roles the Cascaval was literally designed for.
@@maurosergio3752 do you think , in our days , can be a future for this equipment ? Cascavels & Jeraracas Here in Cyprus we have still an amount of both kin's
Engesa's story is really interesting. If it had not broken after the loss in competition between MBT Osório against MBT M1 Abrams, today it would be at the same level as Embraer.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Thank you so much for covering this. Non-major power militaries are a specific interest of mine, especially when they come up with their own kit. I always love the things they do differently, and how they overcome the challenges and limitations they face.
@@rubenskiii Oh yes, love reading about what MOWAG and SwissOrd were up to in the 70s and 80s. So many interesting could-have-been AFVs! I'd love to know more about the KAWEST upgrade to the M109. I know it involved an L47 ordnance, new FCS and partial automation of the ammo handling but I am not sure what exactly.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The off the shelf component idea is as old as manufacturing itself. The first Oldsmobile built in 1897 used different engines and electrical parts. In 1912 building cars from outsourced parts was called the "Volvo Way"! The Dodge Brothers built transmissions for Ford etc. etc. Aircraft manufactures almost always used engines from someone else. Now, you can also go back and look at how horse drawn wagons were made; the builders didn't always make everything. A wheel wright might make the wheels for them and a blacksmith could have made all their metal parts. The manufacture of Muskets might involve five or more individual craftsmen until the idea of mass production was introduced.
The Cascavel is about to be revived in Brazil, while the army is looking at the Italian Centauro II and the Japanese Type-16 to replace the Cascavel with 220 units, they are also looking to upgrade 200 out of 600 Cascavels, with it being a TOTAL upgrade top to bottom, the only thing meant to stay the same is the suspension and hull and so far Israeli companies and Rheinmetall are the ones choose to begin assembly of prototypes as of march 2021. We have now to wait through 2021 to see these prototypes and which company will be chosen, and this upgrade will keep them going all the way to 2045.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The ee 9 was purchased by Cyprus National Guard. I served in the unit in 1986. So the Cascavel at that time was just 3 years old. In total the Cyprus National Guard had 144 of the Cascavel ee 9 model in service in 1986. There were some jararaca's and urutus but not many. The engines were Diesel Detroit V 8 american, and manufactured under license by the engesa company in Brazil. 90 mm main gun, maximum bombardment distance 20 km, but more effective at 4-5 km's. Always carried 44 shells, 2,000 7,62 mm for the co-axial machine gun, and 1,000 rounds of 0,50 inch browning anti aircraft or against infantry and light vehicles. Highly mobile with 100-110 km/h on highway or up to 40 km/h in off road battle field condions of movement. Gave a good punch, mobile, manouverable on flat land and even in hilly mountaineous areas. Was easily camouflaged. It was an effective defensive weapon for Cyprus that could also undertake offensive operations if supported by infantry units. Such operations the National Guard of Cyprus at that time was very well trained, and had to obide by two main rules : SURPRISE AND SPEED of attack.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Heard the Osorio beating the M1 Abrams and French AMX-40 when competing for Saudi contract. Had the Brazilian government select the tank to be Brazil's mainstay MBT, Chile, Colombia or Mexico would've follow suit and the Osorio become Latin America's MBT. But still, there are fierce competitors for ENGESA to worried about especially German and Russian companies.
I really like hearing people speak who are both well versed in thier topic and are genuinely passionate. David is both. Great series, thank you Tank Museum and David.
What a proud to watch a Brazilian vehicle in your reputable museum!!! Yes, your Portuguese is pretty good, if you permit me a little correction in your pronunciation, the proper pronunciation for Engesa sounds like Enjesa, like in Jeep, but not so open. And yes, what causes Engesa's bankrupt was more a lack of payments from the Brazilian Army than an 'adventure' trying to build an MBT. Again, what a proud to see such a vehicle in your museum!!! THANK YOU!!!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
I know a lot of people praise David Fletcher for his knowledge, and rightly so, David Willeys knowledge is just as expansive and he has a really clear way of explaining things.
Used to go to Bovington as a kid. I am now on the other side of the world, but still feel like I should be doing more to help the museum! Time to pony up for some AFV patreon!!
Basically an upgraded M8/M20 made with easy to find components with a bigger gun on it. It did what the Brazilians needed it to do so that is what maters.
Three things, the army started developing armored vehicles since 1968, and making contacts with companies like Engesa, but also Bernardini and Novatracao. The first versions of the Cascavel known as the VBR-2 was developed by the PqRMM/2 from the army. Engesa joined in because it had participated in some previous projects like a 4x4 vehicle called the VBB-1. The VBR-2 didnt have the boomerang suspension, but in the same year, the boomerang suspension developed by Engesa would be mounted on the VBR-2 and it received the designation CRR. These wheeled vehicle projects were all developed by the army, of which the rights of production were given for free to private companies. It was not Emgesa that developed the concept of the Cascavel or the early concept of the Urutu called CTRA. Second thing, is how it got the AML-90 turret. In 1973, engesa trialled the Cascavel in Portugal, they were in the War of Ultramar with their colonies at the time and were using the AML-90. They look at the cascavel and are basicaly, its good but it needs a 90mm gun as the 37mm is obsolete. So they bought the AML turrets from france including guns, as the French company refused selling only the guns. They kounted the new turret on a modified hull and trialled it again a couple of months before the revolution in portugal which ended the war of altrumar in 1974. As a result of the revolution, they loaded up the cadcavel and urutu and went to libya to trial it there. From here on they woudl deliver a batch of 200 AML 90 turet cascavels and aroujd halfway switch to the Cockerill gun as they could licemse produce that gun, which was cheaper. Lastly, Engesa had absolutely horrible financial management. Their projects started to slow down heavily and at some point they even used a loan to produce vehicles for the Brazilian Amry, to buy a building from Imbel instead and be late with the order for the Army. In 1981, they entered they screwed up by not paying their staff, and they went out of that by loaning a lot of money, from their this problem got worse as they started to rapidly buy and form nee companies, like 5 in a span of 3 years, and start developing the Osorio. their finiancial police was horrible, and would have doomed the company in 1990, even if they hadnt developed the osorio. Especially since it was about 80% reliable on export, of which most went to Iraq.
@@Gustavovisk21 I am a writer for TE who focusses on Brazilian Vehicles. I have helped Expedito Carlos Staphani Bastos with editing some of his books, he is pretty much the expert in Brazilian Vehicles. Thats pretty much ehy i know this stuff Brazilian Armoured vehicles are very interesting.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 that’s at least the second time you’ve made that exact same comment, and it’s like you didn’t even read the original comment which traces the companies own missteps. Let me guess: government is a failure unless it’s your favored leaders in complete control? This is the sales pitch of populist fascist parties. “Your corrupt government has ruined you, only we can save you.”
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
This is my first commentary here, in first place Thank you! to the Tank Museum for all the interesting information on Tank Chats, also I want to mention that other South American country that still uses the Cascavel and Urutu is Colombia (where I live). The Ejército de Colombia has used them for a long time and has upgraded them as well. Only recently we have started to receive Stryker AFVs
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
I watch these for the history and the engineering that went into those vehicles. David Willey and Mr "Moustache" Fletcher himself always make these videos entertaining and informative. thank you so much for this knowledge and I cant wait for lockdown to end so I can finally come down and see the Museum for myself
Why use an entire armoured 6x6 just to carry a 20mm cannon? Makes sense as a weapon to put on it whilst it performs other roles, for self defense say, but not much point just using it as a platform solely for a 20mm.
I've always been a fan of these, particularly the walking-beam rear suspension. It was derived-from/inspired-by the Lockheed Twister programme of the 1960s, and was used on ENGASA's 6x6 military trucks as well. They also produced a prototype tank-destroyer called the Sucuri, which had a longer hull and a 105mm gun. The first prototype had a French AMX-13 (oscillating) turret and it was also trialled with a German one similar to that on the Argentine TAM medium tank. It didn't get any sales that I know of: probably a bit ahead of it's time. Another related project was a 4x4 3-man light scout car called the Jararaca (think wheeled M114) which might have got a few sales if I remember correctly. If I'd been equipping a third-world army in the 1980s I'd have bitten the Brazilians' hand off for some of these.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Thank you for a very interesting video. I always find it fascinating how older vehicle technologies...like the M8 here, which was developed almost 80 years ago...can be given new life through various modifications and upgrades.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
That rear articulation is incredible. Love tank chats, but these chats are unique and very interesting. Edit: just realized I believe I've seen one of these before, Camp Taji boneyard. It was in remarkable condition given what it likely faced.
This Tank Chat, delivered by Mr. Willey with his usual erudition and clarity, does an excellent job of explaining the origins and nature of this interesting, yet little-know armored vehicle. It also offers a glimpse into market forces behind armored vehicle production. I never knew about this vehicle until now. Brazil? Making a globally popular armored vehicle? Really? I always learn something new on Tank Chats, which is one reason why I'll always be a subscriber and supporter of the Tank Museum.
Hello mates. It's really nice to see a video about CASCAVEL.I am a cavalryman, I worked a lot with this armored vehicle, for several years. I also worked with URUTU especially in Haiti, where this vehicle used to patrol 24/7. They are reliable, simple and robust vehicles.
Acho que só no Brasil o termo “cavalaria” se refere também a tropas relacionadas a veículos blindados, quem ler vai achar que você era um cara q anda de cavalo kk
@@truta3715 Cavalryman = a soldier in the cavalry. Cavalry = 1. A highly mobile army unit using vehicular transport, such as light armor and helicopters. 2. Troops trained to fight on horseback.
@@truta3715 British Army: The Light Dragoons is a light cavalry regiment in the Adaptive Force. It used to be fast horses that helped these multi-skilled soldiers to cover the battlefield quickly - today it’s the Jackal 2 armoured vehicle.
@@rommelb.5262 Eu sei o significado semântico disso. O ponto é: chamar unidades blindadas de “regimento de cavalaria” é uma idiotice que só existe no Brasil, para a maior parte do resto do mundo, unidades de cavalaria são pessoas que andam de cavalo, e é isso que as pessoas vão imaginar quando lerem seu post principal.
Camarada quando falamos de Carros de Combate, MBT, o termo é armoured. Porém existe também o termo Cavalry para outras unidades, para reconhecimento, vigilância, missões clássicas da Cavalaria. Vejamos por exemplo: 1st Squadron, 91st Cavalry Regiment (Airborne) is a light Airborne Reconnaissance Squadron currently serving as the 173rd Airborne Brigade's Reconnaissance, Surveillance and Targeting Acquisition (RSTA) Squadron, nos USA. Então o que você falou está errado, NÃO é idiotice usar o termo "REGIMENTO DE CAVALARIA". Alguns podem imaginar apenas que cavalryman trata-se de homens que andam a cavalo, quem conhece o termo CAVALARIA sabe que não vem de cavalo. Esta confusão existem em português, mas em inglês cavalo como você sabe é horse. Cavalaria significa combater em vantagem de posição, da antiguidade combater em plataformas. Já foi elefantes com Aníbal, cavalos, camelos, bigas. Hoje com blindados, helicópteros, tanques etc. A origem da palavra vem de Akva, como pode ser constatado nos manuais de Cavalaria do Exército Brasileiro.
Tank chats is the best channel on here for this kind of content. I've been to Samur tank museum, Bovington is next on my list. I'm not sure why I'm obsessed with tanks, but here we are.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Very glad to see the Brazilian tech being shown by a prestigious institution like the bovington museum! Hope I can go back there when this pandemic is over!
Hello every people! i am a Brazilian guy! to me, see this video talking about an Brazilian tank here is impressive, sincerely unbelievable! i never had think it i would be watch a video like this here in this channel wow
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
So this vehicle is perfect suited for the daily morning commute and the parking space lot battlefield at the supermarket! I want mine in flashy Brazilian statecolor metalic green 😎
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Damn, this is a hidden gem from an out-of-the-way part of the world in terms of arms development. Very neat wheel-bogey suspension on the back, interesting armor design, and of course good-looking as well :P
Honestly I can imagine cascavel like vehicles being excellent as platforms for mortars, artillery, anti tank weapons , as well as recce and fighting vehicles with some bradley or bmb like turrets Also would have been more cost effective and easier to maintain for prolonged campaigns like the war in Syria, North Africa. Ect
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Many thanks for this nice video, mr Willey. Brazil is going through the worst crisis in its modern history with this pandemic. People here will need to inspire on the old Engesa's creativity to raise this country again from the ashes. Kind regards.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
When I saw the name “Casacavel” I had to think it was some forgotten, failed British main battle tank program.......Churchill, Centurion, Caernarvon, Cascavel, etc....😄
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The Brazilian Expeditionary Force is well worth a look ...... it fought in many battles in Italy and had a very strange shoulder patch. For their service and courage Thank you.
It was the "Smoking Snake". It actually came from an answer to a joke. After Brazil declared war on the Axis, Oswaldo Aranha, appointed by President Vargas minister of war, went to a radio show to explain to the people about the expeditionary force. The host of the show, still incredulous about actual involvement in the war, joked "It's easier to see a snake smoke than to see Brazil going to war. The minister answered something like "Yeah? Then the snake will smoke!" This symbol is still used in a military police battalion in Rio de Janeiro, named after General Zenóbio, one of the commanders of the FEB.
@@renanpantojorenanpp4195 The Brazilian Troops fought the German paratroopers to a standstill , four Brazilian troopers bumped into a paratrooper machine gun nest with infantry support , after firing off all of their ammo , rather than surrendering the troopers fixed bayonets and charged the paratroopers. They were all killed but for the only known time in the war , the Germans buried the troopers made a cross and left a note ...... courage is a common language. Heroes.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
This is the true and original meaning of “Third World”. It designated those countries unwilling to strategically bind themselves with western democracies (First World) and the communist bloc (Second World) during the Cold War. Sadly, the meaning has been corrupted by prejudice and racism to mean poor countries filled with non-white people. It’s funny when ignorant people used to say China was “third world”, unaware of the actual definition of the term.
Thank you very much David for dedicating a video to ENGESA and its URUTU and CASCAVEL armored vehicles. I am surprised to see that TANK MUSEUM has a CASCAVEL in its collection. Despite being brazilian, I was able to get new informations about these armored vehicles that I didn't know. It would be interesting to dedicate an episode to OSORIO in the future, but I understand that the episodes always refer to the museum's armored vehicles. Still, I appreciate the excellent presentation. Best regards!
I am a former soldier and guide at the "Cap. Pitaluga" military museum in the 1st airmobile light cavalry squadron (1st Esqd. C. L. "Lt. Amaro") This unit was the only one to use Brazilian armor on Italian soil during the second World War. Only two armored models were used. They were the M3A1 half-tracks and the M8 Greyhound. At the time, our unit was called the 1st mechanized reconnaissance squadron, under the command of Captain Pitaluga. There is no other armored vehicle that Brazil has had real combat experience with. Therefore, the entire engineering and operating method of the EE-9 Cascavel was based on the M8. In fact, my unit was one of the first to receive the EE-9 and EE-11 and be part of the model's evaluation units. Unfortunately, this story is kept with me and other unit mates and the museum. I saw reputable websites about armored vehicles wrongly saying that we used Sherman tanks in combat in Italy. These photos were taken in Brazilian territory during the war. I hope I have provided some of my knowledge of these details and information forgotten by time.
In the late 90's I was doing an IT training, and the trainer said something that stuck with me, that it was cheaper for organizations to adapt themselves to a standard software package like MS Office then it was to create a custom product that was purpose built for them. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain thanks to standard updates, and that you would get more updates as well. I reckon Engesa proves that the same applies to military hardware. Rather then design and order your own custom tank to your own wants and needs its cheaper to buy a mass produced design and change your organization and doctrine to it instead.
well not to downplay it but its pretty common sense how it works, sourcing something already existing means the foundation process is skipped, for me to chop down a tree and manufacture posts and panels from it is far too much work and time alone, its easier to go to a builders merchant site and buy it as someone else has already done it and just drive it home. but i say the military complex works so much differently to real life parameters of things. cheaper or quicker still doesn't determine that its better. just a situational purpose that saves money. i think the reason we see the likes of south Africa etc building its own wheeled armoured vehicles almost from scratch.
@@Dockhead I think what separates the military industrial complex from normal industry is its intimate relationship with its customer, the government. Governments don't think along commercial lines as 'which option costs less money?' And armies are loath to change the way they work. Cause they don't have to turn in a profit. So as long as they can get the Treasury to find the purchase they will go for the custom build options. It's only the smaller militaries that have to learn to adapt to their gear instead of adapt gear towards them. And even there they will still try,
@@demonprinces17 true, but it inspired them to take matters into there own hands in some way. a lot nations still like iran etc are sourcing russian weaponry, which we see in some cases does not benefit them to there situation. and even further so lesser eastern or Arabic nations etc are sourcing aged weaponry and vehicles which in todays climate is almost just a waste of money. india itself moved to try sourcing its own vehicle designs because of this very issue, although they do still buy russian equipment some times.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government! (A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Thank you for another good video. The OM352 6 cylinder engine series was also the standard power plant of the later Unimog trucks for many years, eg. U1300L and U1700L. I believe that it was introduced with the Mercedes Benz L series of semi-conventional trucks. Boomerang is simply the Engesa brand name for their version of a walking-beam axle. I understand that it uses gears, as opposed to the chain drive in the Scammel walking-beam system.
I was at a brazilian army expo a few months back and talked to a guy that was a Cascavel gunner, he told me about its history and apparently the distinction between the original Mk.I cascavel was made by calling it the "Skinny" cascavel, as opposed to the "Fat" cascavel that packed the Panhard 90 mil. cannon.
Very interesting on see a chat on a non-tracked fighting vehicle that is from aa apparently non major arms producing country. I hadn't realised how widely sold this vehicle was.
The US Army ASV, and its new interation used by the Military Police. As a side note the dual armament of .50 and MK19. Wound make for a great video. Great work
Thank you, sir, for this excelent description of our "Cascavel" and "Urutu". Unfortunately, previous mismanagement has allowed our defense industry to end. Our "Osorio" was better as other MBT.
it would be even better considering there is a UK euphemism which goes, "as thick as two short planks" and it abbreviated by referring to a person as a plank.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
As soon as 'civil engineering firm' was mentioned I was totally engaged, no way this doesn't end up surprisingly good or epic (and entertaining) failure.
Did the company ever consider looking into the civilian market? If they could produce an armored car to wide markets they could produce other types of vehicles ranging from cars to tractors. I believe companies that made war weapons during WWII went from civilian, to military, and then back into civilian manufacturing. It's a complex question but something that most companies have to consider to survive.
Third world wasnt originally an economic description, it was a cold war description of third countries: NATO, Soviet Bloc and the third world. It was later that it was noted that many of these third world countries were economically underdeveloped compared to the other two blocs.
Still in service in my country , I actually have a couple of rides back in the 2000's . Great vehicle, now short of ammo and replacement wheels (they re kind of rare ones )
I don't remember when but General Motors built a transmission factory in Brazil. Today they have an entire factory producing cars and trucks plus the engines and other components they need. GM did this so that a union strike at one factory would not disrupt their supply chain. But it might explain why a Detroit diesel was in this armored car. Ford was also involved in Brazil, they made their famous ( or infamous) car made of wood there. Today of course all the major auto manufactures have factories in Brazil, and they have steel and aluminum plants as well. It has always been noted that an extensive industrial base of steel, aluminum and auto making was important for strategic purposes.
Mentioning Vickers and armoured vehicles designed for more local conflicts instead of high intensity warfare, it would be really interesting to see some Tank Chats on the Vickers MBT
I find it somewhat obvious that this was a domestic production. Note how the turret on the fully domestic product has the "bullet trap" facets on the lower left and right front of the turret, much like early German WWII tanks. That lesson was well learned that this sort of faceting redirects shells that impact this area either into the turret ring or straight down into the crew area (where the top armor is often thinner). If they had benefitted from real world experiences those facets on the turret would never have been there
It's so good that the new version has anti-tank missiles, electric stabilized turret, .50 machine gun, NVG, Thermal, laser rangefinder, hunter function, new fire system computer, new datalink radio, new more powerful power package, air conditioning.
Cascavel and Urutu are 2 different snakes in Brazil. The cascavel is the ratlesnake and the Urutu is from the bothrops family, also known as Yarará in other south american countries.
The Cascavel seems to conform perfectly to the design philosophy of make it simple,make it tough and make it work.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 why are you copy-pasting your comment everywhere in this video?
The Cascavel and Urutu are still used in Colombia and Ecuador. The Colombian ones are subject to constant improvements, they have proved effective in the COIN role for many years.
@@maurosergio3752 , its not just governamet fault. They put a lot of money on Osorio project ( a great MBT how never saw a contract) and Irac's default bankrupt the compani. unfortunately, the governnamet do to litle to help then aftert that.
Brazilians Casacavel will receve a update now days (supose be thar year, but ...)
@@paulomoura5893 mais o governo podia ter salvado! Podia investir bilhoes que logo voltaria em impostos
as the son of the founder of ENGESA, it is an honor to know that the company's legacy is part of the museum.
Hello from Cyprus . 1984 to 1986 i was a sergeant in a tank unit .. we had about 50 Cascavels in my unit and if i remember corectly we had about 150 Cascavels in different units in the island , i drove them.. shoot with all the weapons . excelent tank.. we also had the Jaracaca which is an Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle also made in Brazil
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of tank chats
True
When i feel depressed, i rewatch them. Just to lift my spirits
funny, I have the same feeling about porn.
But what has tanks to do with porn ? hmmm.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@oddballsok germans are best hahah
I served on a Cascavel Tank in the Cypriot National Guard, very easy tanks to maintain and reliable. Of course they were getting quite old but could still go just over 100kmh on the highways and the gun still packed a punch (although not very accurate at all). The ones in service with Cyprus also have laser range finders above the 90mm in a metal box that opens. Furthermore the engines we had were not Mercedes, but Detroit Diesels that had an output of 215HP. Armament consisted of the 90mm, a 7.62 co-axial and a .50cal on top.
Cyprus is also the only western country to ever operate this family of tanks, including the E-11 Urutu and the EE-3 Jararaca (which was not mentioned in the video).
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
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Nice info men , thanks for share with us .
Honestly , I really don't knew it that Cascavel and another much brazilians armored vehicles was been exported for Cyprus .
There are no URUTUs in Cyprus! They've been evaluated but we end up to RENAULT VAB. OSORIO also been evaluated!
@@marioshadjikyriacou3381 Do a little more research and you will find out that Cyprus had 10, not sure in what condition they are in now.
I love Brazil's arms industry. Always mature-tech, polished and cost-effective.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 Stop spamming this message
It depends because the Brazilian government itself and the Americans killed it (the only one left was Avibras, but others like Engesa, Bernardini and etc. were simply eliminated mainly during the government of Collor de Melo, an anti-national liberalist)
Taurus.
The investment on Osorio wasn't the main reason why Engesa bankrupted, it was just the final punch. When Iraq started some conflicts it denied the payments of U$200 million. Brazil was also in the middle of the worst economic crisis so it only amplified the terrible conditions. It's a shame that this company didn't survived to show us what it could bring to life.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
E seus comédias, cadê o português?
Yep, if Osorio was a few years earlier, Iraq should have a lot of them.... imagine them with a tank that could face M1A1. Of course they would probably be defeat by air strikes but... lol
Hi. I am the son of the founder of ENGESA. You're right. in fact, Iraq's default was 250m. The economic crisis, the interference of the American government so that Saudi Arabia did not buy Osório were the other problems. This other documentary talks about that.
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@@brasileirodeaco2.052 opa aqui
Currently serving in the Cypriot National Guard as a Cascavel operator!
I absolutely love armored cars, especially ones from Brazil, South Africa and the like.
Fantastic video on a vehicle that doesn't get enough attention.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 I heard the Osorio outperformed the Abrams and AMX-40 when competing for Saudi contract but the Saudi opted for the M1 instead.
@@Joshua_N-A It was, but the United States, seeing that it was going to lose a millionaire contract, said: the deal sold rattlesnake to its enemy!
The Saudis saw and did not want equipment from a company that sold other equipment to their enemies! Shortly thereafter the pledge entered a crisis of 2 billion REAIS (currency of Brazil) and came to bankrupt shortly thereafter Really the osorio was superior
@@Joshua_N-A Rattlesnake: Cascavel
@@maurosergio3752 Malaysia could've get some of the Osorios, at least 50 MBTs minimum. We were looking for an MBT back in the 90's. ENGESA could also make a joint venture with Malaysian heavy industry companies and aiding Malaysia in defense industry.
Glad to see this video, as my father was an Urutu driver when doing service in the brazilian army and also took a driver's course on the Cascavel. I remember when there were parties at the barracks and it was fun time when the kids were allowed to enter the Urutu
I will never forget my army service with the Cascavel in Cyprus.
Tought little vehicle to fall in love with.
Miss those days
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 who are you talking about?
@@quuickscopezz9965 Cascavel and name of outhers tanks
@@quuickscopezz9965 σου λέει πως η βραζιλιάνικη εταιρεία που τα κατασκευάζει έκλεισε, και τα ονόματα cascavel, jararaca(που επίσης έχουμε) και urutu, είναι ονόματα φιδιών
David Willey could talk about the history of a toilet roll for 2 hours straight and I'll find every word fascinating
But on this topic I would prefer to watch Al Bundy talking about the mighty Fergusson. ;-)
Could've been an April's Fool joke.........
There is actually a fascinating history to toilet roll.
The word first appears in the 15th century as a word to describe the journey a night soil man would take, wheeling his barrow to a local boat or farm. Later it came to mean a distinctive kind of bread.
The modern word is actually a corruption of the French 'etoile et scroll'. Which refers to a rolled up piece of canvas, in those days, washed and reused.
Of course no history would be complete without mentioning the Slavic precursor to the ticker tape parade, which was definitely not a mark of celebration and respect, given that the toilet roll was used.
There was also the WW2 dance, supposedly based on the moves one needed to do to clean oneself without the need for (rationed) toilet roll.
@@benholroyd5221 Funny thing - The Teutonic Order when setting a new defense castle always designed and made a sort of toilet - orier. One with a hole in the floor. It was constructed above the castle moat - so you could always keep your No 2 outside the stronghold area.
Every such oriel had a big paintbrush for whitewashing hanging down to the water on a rope. After making his 2 a teutonic knight pulled up a wet paintbrush to swipe his.. butt clean with it.
It was a great idea, a way to keep these castles clean from many diseases. These that unknown at the time were spreaded in towns way too easy among all of the common folks...
Shhhhhh, I love tanks.
The EE-9 Cascavel has always been a favorite of mine. I saw the old Iraqi ones parked at the Taji "tank park" at Taji/Camp Cook back in 2004. At the time, most of the US Army's convoy asset gun trucks were Humvees and 5-tons with cobbled-together "hillbilly armor" and I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going. Eventually we got MRAPS but I still think dedicated armored cars with either chain guns or some sort of medium cannon would be seriously useful. Thanks for the great tank chat!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
> I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going.
The motor can be a Mercedes diesel bus engine, it's designed to be that adaptable and repairable. I'm willing to bet that if someone could have made a sufficiently apple-pie pork barrel proposal, we could have nicked the whole lot and wound up calling them something like the M-Manynumbers Diamondback or something.
And yeah, while it probably wouldn't have fared _very_ well against IEDs, the Cascaval would definitely have been a lot better than a hillbilly-armored Hummvee - which was unfortunately pressed into (shittily) performing the battlespace roles the Cascaval was literally designed for.
Can you tells me an estimation ,about how many Cascavel a, Irak had on those days .?
@@maurosergio3752 do you think , in our days , can be a future for this equipment ?
Cascavels & Jeraracas
Here in Cyprus we have still an amount of both kin's
@@andrigeogiou8420 Back in 2004-2005? Couldn't say; definitely by the time the invasion was done there weren't any left active.
Engesa's story is really interesting. If it had not broken after the loss in competition between MBT Osório against MBT M1 Abrams, today it would be at the same level as Embraer.
Embraer é orgulho
E ser vendida a preço de banana ou destruida pelo capitalismo neo liberal vassalos.
Most people are unaware of Brazil’s arms and aircraft industry. I own two Rossi’s, a shotgun and a Winchester ‘92 clone. They are very high quality.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 cara já é a terceira vez que te vejo hahaha
@@Danielguitar2007Ele deu spaw fudido a três anos atrás
There is no better narrator to listen to that’s easy to listen to over everyone else. Mr Willey is in a league of his own.
Thank you so much for covering this. Non-major power militaries are a specific interest of mine, especially when they come up with their own kit. I always love the things they do differently, and how they overcome the challenges and limitations they face.
The Swiss have a really interesting arms industry as well.
@@rubenskiii Oh yes, love reading about what MOWAG and SwissOrd were up to in the 70s and 80s. So many interesting could-have-been AFVs! I'd love to know more about the KAWEST upgrade to the M109. I know it involved an L47 ordnance, new FCS and partial automation of the ammo handling but I am not sure what exactly.
@@rubenskiii like japanese they never leave the country
Any recommendations?
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Looks like Brazil was decades ahead for the Open Source, and Commercial Off the Shelf concepts with the Cascavel and Urutu!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The off the shelf component idea is as old as manufacturing itself. The first Oldsmobile built in 1897 used different engines and electrical parts. In 1912 building cars from outsourced parts was called the "Volvo Way"! The Dodge Brothers built transmissions for Ford etc. etc. Aircraft manufactures almost always used engines from someone else. Now, you can also go back and look at how horse drawn wagons were made; the builders didn't always make everything. A wheel wright might make the wheels for them and a blacksmith could have made all their metal parts. The manufacture of Muskets might involve five or more individual craftsmen until the idea of mass production was introduced.
@@maurosergio3752 Engesa died due to their own econimic incompetence, not govt.
@@theus663 But the government could have saved !!! Could invest BILLION to save the plight that later would return in TAXES
@@maurosergio3752 At the time it wasn't worth it, remember that the state was just been back to a democracy and the country had hyperinflation.
Is so nice to see a tank chat about a vehicle from my country! Many thanks! Keep up the great work!
By far one of the most interesting tank chats to date. What a fascinating production history.
The Cascavel is about to be revived in Brazil, while the army is looking at the Italian Centauro II and the Japanese Type-16 to replace the Cascavel with 220 units, they are also looking to upgrade 200 out of 600 Cascavels, with it being a TOTAL upgrade top to bottom, the only thing meant to stay the same is the suspension and hull and so far Israeli companies and Rheinmetall are the ones choose to begin assembly of prototypes as of march 2021. We have now to wait through 2021 to see these prototypes and which company will be chosen, and this upgrade will keep them going all the way to 2045.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 yep, 600 units, only 250/300 active
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 sim kk
@@HueWave verdade
The ee 9 was purchased by Cyprus National Guard. I served in the unit in 1986. So the Cascavel at that time was just 3 years old. In total the Cyprus National Guard had 144 of the Cascavel ee 9 model in service in 1986. There were some jararaca's and urutus but not many. The engines were Diesel Detroit V 8 american, and manufactured under license by the engesa company in Brazil. 90 mm main gun, maximum bombardment distance 20 km, but more effective at 4-5 km's. Always carried 44 shells, 2,000 7,62 mm for the co-axial machine gun, and 1,000 rounds of 0,50 inch browning anti aircraft or against infantry and light vehicles. Highly mobile with 100-110 km/h on highway or up to 40 km/h in off road battle field condions of movement. Gave a good punch, mobile, manouverable on flat land and even in hilly mountaineous areas. Was easily camouflaged. It was an effective defensive weapon for Cyprus that could also undertake offensive operations if supported by infantry units. Such operations the National Guard of Cyprus at that time was very well trained, and had to obide by two main rules : SURPRISE AND SPEED of attack.
Poor Engesa! What an interesting story. That MBT they built certainly looks the part
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Heard the Osorio beating the M1 Abrams and French AMX-40 when competing for Saudi contract. Had the Brazilian government select the tank to be Brazil's mainstay MBT, Chile, Colombia or Mexico would've follow suit and the Osorio become Latin America's MBT. But still, there are fierce competitors for ENGESA to worried about especially German and Russian companies.
@@Joshua_N-A from what I have read it smacks off politics, they were becoming too good and the established companies didn't like it.
I really like hearing people speak who are both well versed in thier topic and are genuinely passionate. David is both. Great series, thank you Tank Museum and David.
What a proud to watch a Brazilian vehicle in your reputable museum!!!
Yes, your Portuguese is pretty good, if you permit me a little correction in your pronunciation, the proper pronunciation for Engesa sounds like Enjesa, like in Jeep, but not so open.
And yes, what causes Engesa's bankrupt was more a lack of payments from the Brazilian Army than an 'adventure' trying to build an MBT.
Again, what a proud to see such a vehicle in your museum!!!
THANK YOU!!!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Engesa got bankrupt because of Iraq didn't paid for their Cascavels, please don't spread misinformation.
I know a lot of people praise David Fletcher for his knowledge, and rightly so, David Willeys knowledge is just as expansive and he has a really clear way of explaining things.
Proud to see one of my country's best machines!
A salute from Brazil!
Used to go to Bovington as a kid. I am now on the other side of the world, but still feel like I should be doing more to help the museum! Time to pony up for some AFV patreon!!
Basically an upgraded M8/M20 made with easy to find components with a bigger gun on it. It did what the Brazilians needed it to do so that is what maters.
Another fascinating 'chat' from David. I must confess I knew nothing at all about Brazilian armoured production prior to this.
And how much do you know after 3 years?
Three things, the army started developing armored vehicles since 1968, and making contacts with companies like Engesa, but also Bernardini and Novatracao. The first versions of the Cascavel known as the VBR-2 was developed by the PqRMM/2 from the army. Engesa joined in because it had participated in some previous projects like a 4x4 vehicle called the VBB-1. The VBR-2 didnt have the boomerang suspension, but in the same year, the boomerang suspension developed by Engesa would be mounted on the VBR-2 and it received the designation CRR. These wheeled vehicle projects were all developed by the army, of which the rights of production were given for free to private companies. It was not Emgesa that developed the concept of the Cascavel or the early concept of the Urutu called CTRA.
Second thing, is how it got the AML-90 turret. In 1973, engesa trialled the Cascavel in Portugal, they were in the War of Ultramar with their colonies at the time and were using the AML-90. They look at the cascavel and are basicaly, its good but it needs a 90mm gun as the 37mm is obsolete. So they bought the AML turrets from france including guns, as the French company refused selling only the guns. They kounted the new turret on a modified hull and trialled it again a couple of months before the revolution in portugal which ended the war of altrumar in 1974. As a result of the revolution, they loaded up the cadcavel and urutu and went to libya to trial it there. From here on they woudl deliver a batch of 200 AML 90 turet cascavels and aroujd halfway switch to the Cockerill gun as they could licemse produce that gun, which was cheaper.
Lastly, Engesa had absolutely horrible financial management. Their projects started to slow down heavily and at some point they even used a loan to produce vehicles for the Brazilian Amry, to buy a building from Imbel instead and be late with the order for the Army. In 1981, they entered they screwed up by not paying their staff, and they went out of that by loaning a lot of money, from their this problem got worse as they started to rapidly buy and form nee companies, like 5 in a span of 3 years, and start developing the Osorio. their finiancial police was horrible, and would have doomed the company in 1990, even if they hadnt developed the osorio. Especially since it was about 80% reliable on export, of which most went to Iraq.
Damn you really know a lot. Im brazilian and had no idea about this
@@Gustavovisk21 I am a writer for TE who focusses on Brazilian Vehicles. I have helped Expedito Carlos Staphani Bastos with editing some of his books, he is pretty much the expert in Brazilian Vehicles. Thats pretty much ehy i know this stuff Brazilian Armoured vehicles are very interesting.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 that’s at least the second time you’ve made that exact same comment, and it’s like you didn’t even read the original comment which traces the companies own missteps. Let me guess: government is a failure unless it’s your favored leaders in complete control? This is the sales pitch of populist fascist parties. “Your corrupt government has ruined you, only we can save you.”
@@MarcosElMalo2 sim, este maluco eh um stupido consevador proto fascista.
This tank is very beautiful, I'm Brazilian and I'm proud of Cascavel's history! 🇧🇷❤️🐍🚬
You are right about the names! Cascavel (Rattler), Urutu, Jararaca (both other types of pit viper).
I urutu é muito bonito, porem prefiro o GUARANI!
I'm from BRAZIL
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
This is my first commentary here, in first place Thank you! to the Tank Museum for all the interesting information on Tank Chats, also I want to mention that other South American country that still uses the Cascavel and Urutu is Colombia (where I live). The Ejército de Colombia has used them for a long time and has upgraded them as well. Only recently we have started to receive Stryker AFVs
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Yes, I remember seeing them guarding bridges etc during major holidays.
The Brazilian company also make very good off-road lorries using the same running gear with similar abilities of the Scammell Explorer
I watch these for the history and the engineering that went into those vehicles. David Willey and Mr "Moustache" Fletcher himself always make these videos entertaining and informative. thank you so much for this knowledge and I cant wait for lockdown to end so I can finally come down and see the Museum for myself
The Cascavel could be a platform for a mortar carrier or maybe a 20 mm auto cannon, both options cheap and plentiful on the market.
Killing Semitic people ?
Engesa actually developed a Cascavel armed with a 25mm oerlikon for Iraq, but Iraq didnt have enough interest.
Why use an entire armoured 6x6 just to carry a 20mm cannon? Makes sense as a weapon to put on it whilst it performs other roles, for self defense say, but not much point just using it as a platform solely for a 20mm.
@@Dedfaction Some countries prefer to limit the armament of scout cars, because they're not supposed to fight for information. Not my view, but...
There was a mortar version of Urutu.
I've always been a fan of these, particularly the walking-beam rear suspension. It was derived-from/inspired-by the Lockheed Twister programme of the 1960s, and was used on ENGASA's 6x6 military trucks as well. They also produced a prototype tank-destroyer called the Sucuri, which had a longer hull and a 105mm gun. The first prototype had a French AMX-13 (oscillating) turret and it was also trialled with a German one similar to that on the Argentine TAM medium tank. It didn't get any sales that I know of: probably a bit ahead of it's time. Another related project was a 4x4 3-man light scout car called the Jararaca (think wheeled M114) which might have got a few sales if I remember correctly. If I'd been equipping a third-world army in the 1980s I'd have bitten the Brazilians' hand off for some of these.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
15:03 duas Belinas 1 laranjinha no estacionamento... saudades
Kkkk pior que é verdade
Fairly elegant looking armored car too. Fascinating story.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Thank you for a very interesting video. I always find it fascinating how older vehicle technologies...like the M8 here, which was developed almost 80 years ago...can be given new life through various modifications and upgrades.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The m8 served as a base project for the EE-9, but somehow due to changes throughout the project, the Cascavel no longer had an M8.
That rear articulation is incredible. Love tank chats, but these chats are unique and very interesting.
Edit: just realized I believe I've seen one of these before, Camp Taji boneyard. It was in remarkable condition given what it likely faced.
Wow!!! Our beloved Cascavel featured here!
This Tank Chat, delivered by Mr. Willey with his usual erudition and clarity, does an excellent job of explaining the origins and nature of this interesting, yet little-know armored vehicle. It also offers a glimpse into market forces behind armored vehicle production. I never knew about this vehicle until now. Brazil? Making a globally popular armored vehicle? Really? I always learn something new on Tank Chats, which is one reason why I'll always be a subscriber and supporter of the Tank Museum.
Hello mates. It's really nice to see a video about CASCAVEL.I am a cavalryman, I worked a lot with this armored vehicle, for several years. I also worked with URUTU especially in Haiti, where this vehicle used to patrol 24/7. They are reliable, simple and robust vehicles.
Acho que só no Brasil o termo “cavalaria” se refere também a tropas relacionadas a veículos blindados, quem ler vai achar que você era um cara q anda de cavalo kk
@@truta3715 Cavalryman = a soldier in the cavalry.
Cavalry = 1. A highly mobile army unit using vehicular transport, such as light armor and helicopters.
2. Troops trained to fight on horseback.
@@truta3715 British Army:
The Light Dragoons is a light cavalry regiment in the Adaptive Force. It used to be fast horses that helped these multi-skilled soldiers to cover the battlefield quickly - today it’s the Jackal 2 armoured vehicle.
@@rommelb.5262 Eu sei o significado semântico disso. O ponto é: chamar unidades blindadas de “regimento de cavalaria” é uma idiotice que só existe no Brasil, para a maior parte do resto do mundo, unidades de cavalaria são pessoas que andam de cavalo, e é isso que as pessoas vão imaginar quando lerem seu post principal.
Camarada quando falamos de Carros de Combate, MBT, o termo é armoured. Porém existe também o termo Cavalry para outras unidades, para reconhecimento, vigilância, missões clássicas da Cavalaria. Vejamos por exemplo: 1st Squadron, 91st Cavalry Regiment (Airborne) is a light Airborne Reconnaissance Squadron currently serving as the 173rd Airborne Brigade's Reconnaissance, Surveillance and Targeting Acquisition (RSTA) Squadron, nos USA.
Então o que você falou está errado, NÃO é idiotice usar o termo "REGIMENTO DE CAVALARIA". Alguns podem imaginar apenas que cavalryman trata-se de homens que andam a cavalo, quem conhece o termo CAVALARIA sabe que não vem de cavalo. Esta confusão existem em português, mas em inglês cavalo como você sabe é horse. Cavalaria significa combater em vantagem de posição, da antiguidade combater em plataformas. Já foi elefantes com Aníbal, cavalos, camelos, bigas. Hoje com blindados, helicópteros, tanques etc. A origem da palavra vem de Akva, como pode ser constatado nos manuais de Cavalaria do Exército Brasileiro.
I do love it when we get the lesser known vehicles. What an amazing little vehicle.
Tank chats is the best channel on here for this kind of content. I've been to Samur tank museum, Bovington is next on my list. I'm not sure why I'm obsessed with tanks, but here we are.
I'm an expat Brit. Already told my folks back in the UK that next time I come over I'm wanting a weekend in Bovington
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@johnsowerby7182 A friend of mine went, says it's incredible. I can't wait
Oh ho now this is something new. I never imagined our beloved "cascavel" brazillian tank show,s up here in tank museum. Nice one 👍🏻🐍🇧🇷
Very glad to see the Brazilian tech being shown by a prestigious institution like the bovington museum!
Hope I can go back there when this pandemic is over!
Hello every people! i am a Brazilian guy! to me, see this video talking about an Brazilian tank here is impressive, sincerely unbelievable! i never had think it i would be watch a video like this here in this channel wow
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@@princeofcupspoc9073 haha not at me xD :D
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
The company is more interesting than the vehicle itself. Excellent video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Excellent talk from my favorite tank museum presenter.
So this vehicle is perfect suited for the daily morning commute and the parking space lot battlefield at the supermarket!
I want mine in flashy Brazilian statecolor metalic green 😎
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Damn, this is a hidden gem from an out-of-the-way part of the world in terms of arms development. Very neat wheel-bogey suspension on the back, interesting armor design, and of course good-looking as well :P
Honestly I can imagine cascavel like vehicles being excellent as platforms for mortars, artillery, anti tank weapons , as well as recce and fighting vehicles with some bradley or bmb like turrets
Also would have been more cost effective and easier to maintain for prolonged campaigns like the war in Syria, North Africa. Ect
I assume you've heard of the south African ratel?
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@tamlandipper29 the urutu ee-11 do the same, platform for mortars... Etc... Cascavel AA, urutu AA, EE-11 Hydracobra version, or Uruvel
@@tamlandipper29 my father had served at the south african army in mid 70s 😉
Fascinating. Never heard of this one before. I love your channel! Never stop!
Many thanks for this nice video, mr Willey. Brazil is going through the worst crisis in its modern history with this pandemic. People here will need to inspire on the old Engesa's creativity to raise this country again from the ashes.
Kind regards.
I'm wanting David back in the garden with him throwing Finns ball. 👍
Ok, I'm not the only one... I'm blaming David for my Jenever habit after one of his garden chats!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
interesting, economical and original design. and a cool name to boot. kudos to brazil
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
When I saw the name “Casacavel” I had to think it was some forgotten, failed British main battle tank program.......Churchill, Centurion, Caernarvon, Cascavel, etc....😄
Exactly my reaction too.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
I believe cascavel is Portuguese for rattlesnake. (In Spanish, which I speak, it is cascabel.) A very cool name for rapid strike AFV with a bite.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Yes we know, it was mentioned in the video.
Cascavel means rattlesnake
Very nice vehicle, loved my time working with it.
The Brazilian Expeditionary Force is well worth a look ...... it fought in many battles in Italy and had a very strange shoulder patch. For their service and courage Thank you.
The smoking snakes
It was the "Smoking Snake". It actually came from an answer to a joke. After Brazil declared war on the Axis, Oswaldo Aranha, appointed by President Vargas minister of war, went to a radio show to explain to the people about the expeditionary force. The host of the show, still incredulous about actual involvement in the war, joked "It's easier to see a snake smoke than to see Brazil going to war. The minister answered something like "Yeah? Then the snake will smoke!"
This symbol is still used in a military police battalion in Rio de Janeiro, named after General Zenóbio, one of the commanders of the FEB.
@@renanpantojorenanpp4195 The Brazilian Troops fought the German paratroopers to a standstill , four Brazilian troopers bumped into a paratrooper machine gun nest with infantry support , after firing off all of their ammo , rather than surrendering the troopers fixed bayonets and charged the paratroopers. They were all killed but for the only known time in the war , the Germans buried the troopers made a cross and left a note ...... courage is a common language. Heroes.
excellent review of a 'non-aligned' armored personnel carrier
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
This is the true and original meaning of “Third World”. It designated those countries unwilling to strategically bind themselves with western democracies (First World) and the communist bloc (Second World) during the Cold War. Sadly, the meaning has been corrupted by prejudice and racism to mean poor countries filled with non-white people. It’s funny when ignorant people used to say China was “third world”, unaware of the actual definition of the term.
Ecuadors army also adquired a few EE~9 Cascavel vehicles as well as EE~11 Urutu and the EE~3 Jaraca from Engesa in the late 1970s.
Thank you very much David for dedicating a video to ENGESA and its URUTU and CASCAVEL armored vehicles. I am surprised to see that TANK MUSEUM has a CASCAVEL in its collection. Despite being brazilian, I was able to get new informations about these armored vehicles that I didn't know. It would be interesting to dedicate an episode to OSORIO in the future, but I understand that the episodes always refer to the museum's armored vehicles. Still, I appreciate the excellent presentation. Best regards!
Great memories. There was a beautiful collection of magazines called "Guerra Moderna" that feature all this vehicles.
Guerra moderna, porem é uma realidade ne cara
I am a former soldier and guide at the "Cap. Pitaluga" military museum in the 1st airmobile light cavalry squadron (1st Esqd. C. L. "Lt. Amaro") This unit was the only one to use Brazilian armor on Italian soil during the second World War. Only two armored models were used. They were the M3A1 half-tracks and the M8 Greyhound. At the time, our unit was called the 1st mechanized reconnaissance squadron, under the command of Captain Pitaluga. There is no other armored vehicle that Brazil has had real combat experience with. Therefore, the entire engineering and operating method of the EE-9 Cascavel was based on the M8. In fact, my unit was one of the first to receive the EE-9 and EE-11 and be part of the model's evaluation units. Unfortunately, this story is kept with me and other unit mates and the museum. I saw reputable websites about armored vehicles wrongly saying that we used Sherman tanks in combat in Italy. These photos were taken in Brazilian territory during the war. I hope I have provided some of my knowledge of these details and information forgotten by time.
My first appreciation of a wheeled AFV. Thank you DW😁
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 excelente vídeo. Obrigado pelas informações. Abraço.
In the late 90's I was doing an IT training, and the trainer said something that stuck with me, that it was cheaper for organizations to adapt themselves to a standard software package like MS Office then it was to create a custom product that was purpose built for them. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain thanks to standard updates, and that you would get more updates as well. I reckon Engesa proves that the same applies to military hardware. Rather then design and order your own custom tank to your own wants and needs its cheaper to buy a mass produced design and change your organization and doctrine to it instead.
well not to downplay it but its pretty common sense how it works, sourcing something already existing means the foundation process is skipped, for me to chop down a tree and manufacture posts and panels from it is far too much work and time alone, its easier to go to a builders merchant site and buy it as someone else has already done it and just drive it home.
but i say the military complex works so much differently to real life parameters of things. cheaper or quicker still doesn't determine that its better. just a situational purpose that saves money.
i think the reason we see the likes of south Africa etc building its own wheeled armoured vehicles almost from scratch.
@@Dockhead I think what separates the military industrial complex from normal industry is its intimate relationship with its customer, the government. Governments don't think along commercial lines as 'which option costs less money?' And armies are loath to change the way they work. Cause they don't have to turn in a profit. So as long as they can get the Treasury to find the purchase they will go for the custom build options. It's only the smaller militaries that have to learn to adapt to their gear instead of adapt gear towards them. And even there they will still try,
@@Dockhead south africa was under boycott, couldn't buy anything
@@demonprinces17 true, but it inspired them to take matters into there own hands in some way. a lot nations still like iran etc are sourcing russian weaponry, which we see in some cases does not benefit them to there situation.
and even further so lesser eastern or Arabic nations etc are sourcing aged weaponry and vehicles which in todays climate is almost just a waste of money.
india itself moved to try sourcing its own vehicle designs because of this very issue, although they do still buy russian equipment some times.
Now I must ask for an episode on the Chaimite/ Cadillac-Gage Commando.
As usual a very interesting, informative video. Thank you for sharing.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Thank you for another good video. The OM352 6 cylinder engine series was also the standard power plant of the later Unimog trucks for many years, eg. U1300L and U1700L. I believe that it was introduced with the Mercedes Benz L series of semi-conventional trucks. Boomerang is simply the Engesa brand name for their version of a walking-beam axle. I understand that it uses gears, as opposed to the chain drive in the Scammel walking-beam system.
that OM-352 A is an amaaaazing engine ! I have a Chevrolet D-60 with one and runs perfect
I was at a brazilian army expo a few months back and talked to a guy that was a Cascavel gunner, he told me about its history and apparently the distinction between the original Mk.I cascavel was made by calling it the "Skinny" cascavel, as opposed to the "Fat" cascavel that packed the Panhard 90 mil. cannon.
Very interesting on see a chat on a non-tracked fighting vehicle that is from aa apparently non major arms producing country. I hadn't realised how widely sold this vehicle was.
Wow! 90 mm cannon! What a punch for an armoured car!
The US Army ASV, and its new interation used by the Military Police. As a side note the dual armament of .50 and MK19. Wound make for a great video. Great work
nice video! :D Brazilian here, nice museum :D.
Thank you, sir, for this excelent description of our "Cascavel" and "Urutu". Unfortunately, previous mismanagement has allowed our defense industry to end. Our "Osorio" was better as other MBT.
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Missed opportunity for April fools. The Plank Museum, where you do a plank chat about all the different types of planks used by the military.
it would be even better considering there is a UK euphemism which goes, "as thick as two short planks" and it abbreviated by referring to a person as a plank.
That wooden work
Such as General Haig?
He could come do a Tank Chat just down the road from me at Tanks Galore. That's where I get my tanks from.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
war thunder please no more wheeled vehicles
Gajin sees the video - *Heavy breathing*
Dont worry, with their track record its wheels would be absolutely useless on anything but flat paved roads. )))
@@bmac1629 ha track record
Apparently I went into subconscious pun mode..oof.
WHEN? GAIJIN?
Probably this is the dream from most of brazilians WT player haha
As soon as 'civil engineering firm' was mentioned I was totally engaged, no way this doesn't end up surprisingly good or epic (and entertaining) failure.
Surprisingly good, and well thought out, it is. Well done to the República Federativa do Brasil.
Did the company ever consider looking into the civilian market? If they could produce an armored car to wide markets they could produce other types of vehicles ranging from cars to tractors. I believe companies that made war weapons during WWII went from civilian, to military, and then back into civilian manufacturing. It's a complex question but something that most companies have to consider to survive.
Hopefully you guys will be able to get one of those Warriors that underwent the CSP trial
Here in Brazil, we are still using this Brazilian tank.
Third world wasnt originally an economic description, it was a cold war description of third countries: NATO, Soviet Bloc and the third world. It was later that it was noted that many of these third world countries were economically underdeveloped compared to the other two blocs.
Still in service in my country , I actually have a couple of rides back in the 2000's . Great vehicle, now short of ammo and replacement wheels (they re kind of rare ones )
I don't remember when but General Motors built a transmission factory in Brazil. Today they have an entire factory producing cars and trucks plus the engines and other components they need. GM did this so that a union strike at one factory would not disrupt their supply chain. But it might explain why a Detroit diesel was in this armored car. Ford was also involved in Brazil, they made their famous ( or infamous) car made of wood there. Today of course all the major auto manufactures have factories in Brazil, and they have steel and aluminum plants as well. It has always been noted that an extensive industrial base of steel, aluminum and auto making was important for strategic purposes.
Engesa is the acronym for Engenheiros Especializados S.A.
(Specialized Engineers Corp.)
Mentioning Vickers and armoured vehicles designed for more local conflicts instead of high intensity warfare, it would be really interesting to see some Tank Chats on the Vickers MBT
Fantastic presentation
I find it somewhat obvious that this was a domestic production. Note how the turret on the fully domestic product has the "bullet trap" facets on the lower left and right front of the turret, much like early German WWII tanks. That lesson was well learned that this sort of faceting redirects shells that impact this area either into the turret ring or straight down into the crew area (where the top armor is often thinner). If they had benefitted from real world experiences those facets on the turret would never have been there
It's so good that the new version has anti-tank missiles, electric stabilized turret, .50 machine gun, NVG, Thermal, laser rangefinder, hunter function, new fire system computer, new datalink radio, new more powerful power package, air conditioning.
keep up the good work David !
So very excellent thank you as always
Muito bom o vídeo.
Parabéns.
Cascavel and Urutu are 2 different snakes in Brazil. The cascavel is the ratlesnake and the Urutu is from the bothrops family, also known as Yarará in other south american countries.
I'd never heard of this before, from the thumbnail it looked like a Rhodesian or South African vehicle. Very interesting.