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- The Tank Museum's Curator David Willey presents a Tank Chat on the EE-9 Cascavel, a Brazilian Armoured Car developed during the 1970s, primarily for reconnaissance. David also touches upon the EE-11 Urutu, which shares many of the Cascavel's components. Join him to find out more.
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The Cascavel seems to conform perfectly to the design philosophy of make it simple,make it tough and make it work.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 why are you copy-pasting your comment everywhere in this video?
The Cascavel and Urutu are still used in Colombia and Ecuador. The Colombian ones are subject to constant improvements, they have proved effective in the COIN role for many years.
@@maurosergio3752 , its not just governamet fault. They put a lot of money on Osorio project ( a great MBT how never saw a contract) and Irac's default bankrupt the compani. unfortunately, the governnamet do to litle to help then aftert that.
Brazilians Casacavel will receve a update now days (supose be thar year, but ...)
@@paulomoura5893 mais o governo podia ter salvado! Podia investir bilhoes que logo voltaria em impostos
as the son of the founder of ENGESA, it is an honor to know that the company's legacy is part of the museum.
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of tank chats
True
When i feel depressed, i rewatch them. Just to lift my spirits
funny, I have the same feeling about porn.
But what has tanks to do with porn ? hmmm.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@oddballsok germans are best hahah
I love Brazil's arms industry. Always mature-tech, polished and cost-effective.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 Stop spamming this message
It depends because the Brazilian government itself and the Americans killed it (the only one left was Avibras, but others like Engesa, Bernardini and etc. were simply eliminated mainly during the government of Collor de Melo, an anti-national liberalist)
Taurus.
David Willey could talk about the history of a toilet roll for 2 hours straight and I'll find every word fascinating
But on this topic I would prefer to watch Al Bundy talking about the mighty Fergusson. ;-)
Could've been an April's Fool joke.........
There is actually a fascinating history to toilet roll.
The word first appears in the 15th century as a word to describe the journey a night soil man would take, wheeling his barrow to a local boat or farm. Later it came to mean a distinctive kind of bread.
The modern word is actually a corruption of the French 'etoile et scroll'. Which refers to a rolled up piece of canvas, in those days, washed and reused.
Of course no history would be complete without mentioning the Slavic precursor to the ticker tape parade, which was definitely not a mark of celebration and respect, given that the toilet roll was used.
There was also the WW2 dance, supposedly based on the moves one needed to do to clean oneself without the need for (rationed) toilet roll.
@@benholroyd5221 Funny thing - The Teutonic Order when setting a new defense castle always designed and made a sort of toilet - orier. One with a hole in the floor. It was constructed above the castle moat - so you could always keep your No 2 outside the stronghold area.
Every such oriel had a big paintbrush for whitewashing hanging down to the water on a rope. After making his 2 a teutonic knight pulled up a wet paintbrush to swipe his.. butt clean with it.
It was a great idea, a way to keep these castles clean from many diseases. These that unknown at the time were spreaded in towns way too easy among all of the common folks...
Shhhhhh, I love tanks.
Hello from Cyprus . 1984 to 1986 i was a sergeant in a tank unit .. we had about 50 Cascavels in my unit and if i remember corectly we had about 150 Cascavels in different units in the island , i drove them.. shoot with all the weapons . excelent tank.. we also had the Jaracaca which is an Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle also made in Brazil
I absolutely love armored cars, especially ones from Brazil, South Africa and the like.
Fantastic video on a vehicle that doesn't get enough attention.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 I heard the Osorio outperformed the Abrams and AMX-40 when competing for Saudi contract but the Saudi opted for the M1 instead.
@@Joshua_N-A It was, but the United States, seeing that it was going to lose a millionaire contract, said: the deal sold rattlesnake to its enemy!
The Saudis saw and did not want equipment from a company that sold other equipment to their enemies! Shortly thereafter the pledge entered a crisis of 2 billion REAIS (currency of Brazil) and came to bankrupt shortly thereafter Really the osorio was superior
@@Joshua_N-A Rattlesnake: Cascavel
@@maurosergio3752 Malaysia could've get some of the Osorios, at least 50 MBTs minimum. We were looking for an MBT back in the 90's. ENGESA could also make a joint venture with Malaysian heavy industry companies and aiding Malaysia in defense industry.
Engesa's story is really interesting. If it had not broken after the loss in competition between MBT Osório against MBT M1 Abrams, today it would be at the same level as Embraer.
Embraer é orgulho
E ser vendida a preço de banana ou destruida pelo capitalismo neo liberal vassalos.
The investment on Osorio wasn't the main reason why Engesa bankrupted, it was just the final punch. When Iraq started some conflicts it denied the payments of U$200 million. Brazil was also in the middle of the worst economic crisis so it only amplified the terrible conditions. It's a shame that this company didn't survived to show us what it could bring to life.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
E seus comédias, cadê o português?
Yep, if Osorio was a few years earlier, Iraq should have a lot of them.... imagine them with a tank that could face M1A1. Of course they would probably be defeat by air strikes but... lol
Hi. I am the son of the founder of ENGESA. You're right. in fact, Iraq's default was 250m. The economic crisis, the interference of the American government so that Saudi Arabia did not buy Osório were the other problems. This other documentary talks about that.
th-cam.com/video/FSEwiEEwIT4/w-d-xo.html
@@brasileirodeaco2.052 opa aqui
I served on a Cascavel Tank in the Cypriot National Guard, very easy tanks to maintain and reliable. Of course they were getting quite old but could still go just over 100kmh on the highways and the gun still packed a punch (although not very accurate at all). The ones in service with Cyprus also have laser range finders above the 90mm in a metal box that opens. Furthermore the engines we had were not Mercedes, but Detroit Diesels that had an output of 215HP. Armament consisted of the 90mm, a 7.62 co-axial and a .50cal on top.
Cyprus is also the only western country to ever operate this family of tanks, including the E-11 Urutu and the EE-3 Jararaca (which was not mentioned in the video).
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
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Nice info men , thanks for share with us .
Honestly , I really don't knew it that Cascavel and another much brazilians armored vehicles was been exported for Cyprus .
There are no URUTUs in Cyprus! They've been evaluated but we end up to RENAULT VAB. OSORIO also been evaluated!
@@marioshadjikyriacou3381 Do a little more research and you will find out that Cyprus had 10, not sure in what condition they are in now.
Poor Engesa! What an interesting story. That MBT they built certainly looks the part
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Heard the Osorio beating the M1 Abrams and French AMX-40 when competing for Saudi contract. Had the Brazilian government select the tank to be Brazil's mainstay MBT, Chile, Colombia or Mexico would've follow suit and the Osorio become Latin America's MBT. But still, there are fierce competitors for ENGESA to worried about especially German and Russian companies.
@@Joshua_N-A from what I have read it smacks off politics, they were becoming too good and the established companies didn't like it.
By far one of the most interesting tank chats to date. What a fascinating production history.
Is so nice to see a tank chat about a vehicle from my country! Many thanks! Keep up the great work!
When I saw the name “Casacavel” I had to think it was some forgotten, failed British main battle tank program.......Churchill, Centurion, Caernarvon, Cascavel, etc....😄
Exactly my reaction too.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
I believe cascavel is Portuguese for rattlesnake. (In Spanish, which I speak, it is cascabel.) A very cool name for rapid strike AFV with a bite.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Yes we know, it was mentioned in the video.
Cascavel means rattlesnake
Glad to see this video, as my father was an Urutu driver when doing service in the brazilian army and also took a driver's course on the Cascavel. I remember when there were parties at the barracks and it was fun time when the kids were allowed to enter the Urutu
I really like hearing people speak who are both well versed in thier topic and are genuinely passionate. David is both. Great series, thank you Tank Museum and David.
What a proud to watch a Brazilian vehicle in your reputable museum!!!
Yes, your Portuguese is pretty good, if you permit me a little correction in your pronunciation, the proper pronunciation for Engesa sounds like Enjesa, like in Jeep, but not so open.
And yes, what causes Engesa's bankrupt was more a lack of payments from the Brazilian Army than an 'adventure' trying to build an MBT.
Again, what a proud to see such a vehicle in your museum!!!
THANK YOU!!!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Engesa got bankrupt because of Iraq didn't paid for their Cascavels, please don't spread misinformation.
Three things, the army started developing armored vehicles since 1968, and making contacts with companies like Engesa, but also Bernardini and Novatracao. The first versions of the Cascavel known as the VBR-2 was developed by the PqRMM/2 from the army. Engesa joined in because it had participated in some previous projects like a 4x4 vehicle called the VBB-1. The VBR-2 didnt have the boomerang suspension, but in the same year, the boomerang suspension developed by Engesa would be mounted on the VBR-2 and it received the designation CRR. These wheeled vehicle projects were all developed by the army, of which the rights of production were given for free to private companies. It was not Emgesa that developed the concept of the Cascavel or the early concept of the Urutu called CTRA.
Second thing, is how it got the AML-90 turret. In 1973, engesa trialled the Cascavel in Portugal, they were in the War of Ultramar with their colonies at the time and were using the AML-90. They look at the cascavel and are basicaly, its good but it needs a 90mm gun as the 37mm is obsolete. So they bought the AML turrets from france including guns, as the French company refused selling only the guns. They kounted the new turret on a modified hull and trialled it again a couple of months before the revolution in portugal which ended the war of altrumar in 1974. As a result of the revolution, they loaded up the cadcavel and urutu and went to libya to trial it there. From here on they woudl deliver a batch of 200 AML 90 turet cascavels and aroujd halfway switch to the Cockerill gun as they could licemse produce that gun, which was cheaper.
Lastly, Engesa had absolutely horrible financial management. Their projects started to slow down heavily and at some point they even used a loan to produce vehicles for the Brazilian Amry, to buy a building from Imbel instead and be late with the order for the Army. In 1981, they entered they screwed up by not paying their staff, and they went out of that by loaning a lot of money, from their this problem got worse as they started to rapidly buy and form nee companies, like 5 in a span of 3 years, and start developing the Osorio. their finiancial police was horrible, and would have doomed the company in 1990, even if they hadnt developed the osorio. Especially since it was about 80% reliable on export, of which most went to Iraq.
Damn you really know a lot. Im brazilian and had no idea about this
@@Gustavovisk21 I am a writer for TE who focusses on Brazilian Vehicles. I have helped Expedito Carlos Staphani Bastos with editing some of his books, he is pretty much the expert in Brazilian Vehicles. Thats pretty much ehy i know this stuff Brazilian Armoured vehicles are very interesting.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 that’s at least the second time you’ve made that exact same comment, and it’s like you didn’t even read the original comment which traces the companies own missteps. Let me guess: government is a failure unless it’s your favored leaders in complete control? This is the sales pitch of populist fascist parties. “Your corrupt government has ruined you, only we can save you.”
@@MarcosElMalo2 sim, este maluco eh um stupido consevador proto fascista.
The Cascavel is about to be revived in Brazil, while the army is looking at the Italian Centauro II and the Japanese Type-16 to replace the Cascavel with 220 units, they are also looking to upgrade 200 out of 600 Cascavels, with it being a TOTAL upgrade top to bottom, the only thing meant to stay the same is the suspension and hull and so far Israeli companies and Rheinmetall are the ones choose to begin assembly of prototypes as of march 2021. We have now to wait through 2021 to see these prototypes and which company will be chosen, and this upgrade will keep them going all the way to 2045.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
@@maurosergio3752 yep, 600 units, only 250/300 active
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 sim kk
@@HueWave verdade
Looks like Brazil was decades ahead for the Open Source, and Commercial Off the Shelf concepts with the Cascavel and Urutu!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The off the shelf component idea is as old as manufacturing itself. The first Oldsmobile built in 1897 used different engines and electrical parts. In 1912 building cars from outsourced parts was called the "Volvo Way"! The Dodge Brothers built transmissions for Ford etc. etc. Aircraft manufactures almost always used engines from someone else. Now, you can also go back and look at how horse drawn wagons were made; the builders didn't always make everything. A wheel wright might make the wheels for them and a blacksmith could have made all their metal parts. The manufacture of Muskets might involve five or more individual craftsmen until the idea of mass production was introduced.
@@maurosergio3752 Engesa died due to their own econimic incompetence, not govt.
@@theus663 But the government could have saved !!! Could invest BILLION to save the plight that later would return in TAXES
@@maurosergio3752 At the time it wasn't worth it, remember that the state was just been back to a democracy and the country had hyperinflation.
Currently serving in the Cypriot National Guard as a Cascavel operator!
Most people are unaware of Brazil’s arms and aircraft industry. I own two Rossi’s, a shotgun and a Winchester ‘92 clone. They are very high quality.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 cara já é a terceira vez que te vejo hahaha
@@Danielguitar2007Ele deu spaw fudido a três anos atrás
Wow!!! Our beloved Cascavel featured here!
Thank you so much for covering this. Non-major power militaries are a specific interest of mine, especially when they come up with their own kit. I always love the things they do differently, and how they overcome the challenges and limitations they face.
The Swiss have a really interesting arms industry as well.
@@rubenskiii Oh yes, love reading about what MOWAG and SwissOrd were up to in the 70s and 80s. So many interesting could-have-been AFVs! I'd love to know more about the KAWEST upgrade to the M109. I know it involved an L47 ordnance, new FCS and partial automation of the ammo handling but I am not sure what exactly.
@@rubenskiii like japanese they never leave the country
Any recommendations?
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The EE-9 Cascavel has always been a favorite of mine. I saw the old Iraqi ones parked at the Taji "tank park" at Taji/Camp Cook back in 2004. At the time, most of the US Army's convoy asset gun trucks were Humvees and 5-tons with cobbled-together "hillbilly armor" and I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going. Eventually we got MRAPS but I still think dedicated armored cars with either chain guns or some sort of medium cannon would be seriously useful. Thanks for the great tank chat!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
> I looked at those Cascavels parked there wishing we could get them going.
The motor can be a Mercedes diesel bus engine, it's designed to be that adaptable and repairable. I'm willing to bet that if someone could have made a sufficiently apple-pie pork barrel proposal, we could have nicked the whole lot and wound up calling them something like the M-Manynumbers Diamondback or something.
And yeah, while it probably wouldn't have fared _very_ well against IEDs, the Cascaval would definitely have been a lot better than a hillbilly-armored Hummvee - which was unfortunately pressed into (shittily) performing the battlespace roles the Cascaval was literally designed for.
Can you tells me an estimation ,about how many Cascavel a, Irak had on those days .?
@@maurosergio3752 do you think , in our days , can be a future for this equipment ?
Cascavels & Jeraracas
Here in Cyprus we have still an amount of both kin's
@@andrigeogiou8420 Back in 2004-2005? Couldn't say; definitely by the time the invasion was done there weren't any left active.
This Tank Chat, delivered by Mr. Willey with his usual erudition and clarity, does an excellent job of explaining the origins and nature of this interesting, yet little-know armored vehicle. It also offers a glimpse into market forces behind armored vehicle production. I never knew about this vehicle until now. Brazil? Making a globally popular armored vehicle? Really? I always learn something new on Tank Chats, which is one reason why I'll always be a subscriber and supporter of the Tank Museum.
Damn, this is a hidden gem from an out-of-the-way part of the world in terms of arms development. Very neat wheel-bogey suspension on the back, interesting armor design, and of course good-looking as well :P
Fascinating. Never heard of this one before. I love your channel! Never stop!
Honestly I can imagine cascavel like vehicles being excellent as platforms for mortars, artillery, anti tank weapons , as well as recce and fighting vehicles with some bradley or bmb like turrets
Also would have been more cost effective and easier to maintain for prolonged campaigns like the war in Syria, North Africa. Ect
I assume you've heard of the south African ratel?
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@tamlandipper29 the urutu ee-11 do the same, platform for mortars... Etc... Cascavel AA, urutu AA, EE-11 Hydracobra version, or Uruvel
@@tamlandipper29 my father had served at the south african army in mid 70s 😉
The Brazilian company also make very good off-road lorries using the same running gear with similar abilities of the Scammell Explorer
I am a former soldier and guide at the "Cap. Pitaluga" military museum in the 1st airmobile light cavalry squadron (1st Esqd. C. L. "Lt. Amaro") This unit was the only one to use Brazilian armor on Italian soil during the second World War. Only two armored models were used. They were the M3A1 half-tracks and the M8 Greyhound. At the time, our unit was called the 1st mechanized reconnaissance squadron, under the command of Captain Pitaluga. There is no other armored vehicle that Brazil has had real combat experience with. Therefore, the entire engineering and operating method of the EE-9 Cascavel was based on the M8. In fact, my unit was one of the first to receive the EE-9 and EE-11 and be part of the model's evaluation units. Unfortunately, this story is kept with me and other unit mates and the museum. I saw reputable websites about armored vehicles wrongly saying that we used Sherman tanks in combat in Italy. These photos were taken in Brazilian territory during the war. I hope I have provided some of my knowledge of these details and information forgotten by time.
The Cascavel could be a platform for a mortar carrier or maybe a 20 mm auto cannon, both options cheap and plentiful on the market.
Killing Semitic people ?
Engesa actually developed a Cascavel armed with a 25mm oerlikon for Iraq, but Iraq didnt have enough interest.
Why use an entire armoured 6x6 just to carry a 20mm cannon? Makes sense as a weapon to put on it whilst it performs other roles, for self defense say, but not much point just using it as a platform solely for a 20mm.
@@Dedfaction Some countries prefer to limit the armament of scout cars, because they're not supposed to fight for information. Not my view, but...
There was a mortar version of Urutu.
The Brazilian Expeditionary Force is well worth a look ...... it fought in many battles in Italy and had a very strange shoulder patch. For their service and courage Thank you.
The smoking snakes
It was the "Smoking Snake". It actually came from an answer to a joke. After Brazil declared war on the Axis, Oswaldo Aranha, appointed by President Vargas minister of war, went to a radio show to explain to the people about the expeditionary force. The host of the show, still incredulous about actual involvement in the war, joked "It's easier to see a snake smoke than to see Brazil going to war. The minister answered something like "Yeah? Then the snake will smoke!"
This symbol is still used in a military police battalion in Rio de Janeiro, named after General Zenóbio, one of the commanders of the FEB.
@@renanpantojorenanpp4195 The Brazilian Troops fought the German paratroopers to a standstill , four Brazilian troopers bumped into a paratrooper machine gun nest with infantry support , after firing off all of their ammo , rather than surrendering the troopers fixed bayonets and charged the paratroopers. They were all killed but for the only known time in the war , the Germans buried the troopers made a cross and left a note ...... courage is a common language. Heroes.
Thank you
Thank you for a very interesting video. I always find it fascinating how older vehicle technologies...like the M8 here, which was developed almost 80 years ago...can be given new life through various modifications and upgrades.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
The m8 served as a base project for the EE-9, but somehow due to changes throughout the project, the Cascavel no longer had an M8.
Thank you very much David for dedicating a video to ENGESA and its URUTU and CASCAVEL armored vehicles. I am surprised to see that TANK MUSEUM has a CASCAVEL in its collection. Despite being brazilian, I was able to get new informations about these armored vehicles that I didn't know. It would be interesting to dedicate an episode to OSORIO in the future, but I understand that the episodes always refer to the museum's armored vehicles. Still, I appreciate the excellent presentation. Best regards!
Missed opportunity for April fools. The Plank Museum, where you do a plank chat about all the different types of planks used by the military.
it would be even better considering there is a UK euphemism which goes, "as thick as two short planks" and it abbreviated by referring to a person as a plank.
That wooden work
Such as General Haig?
He could come do a Tank Chat just down the road from me at Tanks Galore. That's where I get my tanks from.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
I've always been a fan of these, particularly the walking-beam rear suspension. It was derived-from/inspired-by the Lockheed Twister programme of the 1960s, and was used on ENGASA's 6x6 military trucks as well. They also produced a prototype tank-destroyer called the Sucuri, which had a longer hull and a 105mm gun. The first prototype had a French AMX-13 (oscillating) turret and it was also trialled with a German one similar to that on the Argentine TAM medium tank. It didn't get any sales that I know of: probably a bit ahead of it's time. Another related project was a 4x4 3-man light scout car called the Jararaca (think wheeled M114) which might have got a few sales if I remember correctly. If I'd been equipping a third-world army in the 1980s I'd have bitten the Brazilians' hand off for some of these.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
I will never forget my army service with the Cascavel in Cyprus.
Tought little vehicle to fall in love with.
Miss those days
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
@@maurosergio3752 who are you talking about?
@@quuickscopezz9965 Cascavel and name of outhers tanks
@@quuickscopezz9965 σου λέει πως η βραζιλιάνικη εταιρεία που τα κατασκευάζει έκλεισε, και τα ονόματα cascavel, jararaca(που επίσης έχουμε) και urutu, είναι ονόματα φιδιών
Basically an upgraded M8/M20 made with easy to find components with a bigger gun on it. It did what the Brazilians needed it to do so that is what maters.
Third world wasnt originally an economic description, it was a cold war description of third countries: NATO, Soviet Bloc and the third world. It was later that it was noted that many of these third world countries were economically underdeveloped compared to the other two blocs.
war thunder please no more wheeled vehicles
Gajin sees the video - *Heavy breathing*
Dont worry, with their track record its wheels would be absolutely useless on anything but flat paved roads. )))
@@bmac1629 ha track record
Apparently I went into subconscious pun mode..oof.
WHEN? GAIJIN?
Probably this is the dream from most of brazilians WT player haha
You are right about the names! Cascavel (Rattler), Urutu, Jararaca (both other types of pit viper).
I urutu é muito bonito, porem prefiro o GUARANI!
I'm from BRAZIL
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Used to go to Bovington as a kid. I am now on the other side of the world, but still feel like I should be doing more to help the museum! Time to pony up for some AFV patreon!!
Thank you for another good video. The OM352 6 cylinder engine series was also the standard power plant of the later Unimog trucks for many years, eg. U1300L and U1700L. I believe that it was introduced with the Mercedes Benz L series of semi-conventional trucks. Boomerang is simply the Engesa brand name for their version of a walking-beam axle. I understand that it uses gears, as opposed to the chain drive in the Scammel walking-beam system.
Another fascinating 'chat' from David. I must confess I knew nothing at all about Brazilian armoured production prior to this.
And how much do you know after 3 years?
Mentioning Vickers and armoured vehicles designed for more local conflicts instead of high intensity warfare, it would be really interesting to see some Tank Chats on the Vickers MBT
nice video! :D Brazilian here, nice museum :D.
"Thank you for watching The Tank Museums youtube channel"
no David,
Thank you.
This is my first commentary here, in first place Thank you! to the Tank Museum for all the interesting information on Tank Chats, also I want to mention that other South American country that still uses the Cascavel and Urutu is Colombia (where I live). The Ejército de Colombia has used them for a long time and has upgraded them as well. Only recently we have started to receive Stryker AFVs
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
Yes, I remember seeing them guarding bridges etc during major holidays.
This makes me proud to be Brazilian even though I’m fully Northern European
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
For Recon work, it appears almost perfect!
Just how tall is David Willey? Last time he made Sd.Kfz. 234 look small, now he is taller than Cascavel's hull.
would love to see him next to an AML-90/Eland, or an L3 :P
Engesa is the acronym for Engenheiros Especializados S.A.
(Specialized Engineers Corp.)
The little note about “Third World countries” is quite interesting because I recently acquired a set of old US Army vehicle identification cards and for certain vehicles it will just list “Third World country” as a potential user.
Brazilian armament industry was very much world-class; a shame they got swamped competing against companies with deeper pockets.
Indeed
Such a shame
@@JohnyG29 well, let's see: sold artillery systems to the US Army. Sold armor to a score or more nations around the globe. Designed and fielded an MBT in trials that matched up with US, UK, and German entries.
So, no. I'm not high. But you appear misinformed, at best.
@@JohnyG29 oh, and let's not forget their domestic aviation armaments, including anti-radiation missiles and air-to-air combat missiles.
The market for tanks changed 1990 as a large number of quite capable vehicles flooded the market.
Yes, it is a shame. The Osório,a very prominent MBT made by Engesa (the same company that made the Cascavel) , would directly compete with British, American, french and german tanks. But the US made sure that the Abrams would be bought (especially from US allies in the Middle East) over the Osório. So Engesa broke, because they spent a lot of money on this project that the US made sure it wasn't going to succed and Iraq defauted on the company when the bought a lot of Cascavels but after they were finished they couldn't afford it
I remember this from the palace of justice seige in narcos.
And in ENGESA, the "G" also sounds like your "J", in "JET".
It reminds me a lot of the DAF M39. Especially the suspension.
interesting, economical and original design. and a cool name to boot. kudos to brazil
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
We don't speak SPANISH; we speak PORTUGUESE. Our "J" doesn't sound like the "H", in "HOUSE". Our "J" sounds like your "J", in "JET".
I work at the factory where the M-8 was made, no one there has ever heard of WW-2.
A ringing endorsement of the teacher's unions
Probably bcs they’re all deaf.
Every car factory in US was converted to military production. Production of civilian cars stopped completely.
@@IvorMektin1701 - I dunno, I have a flat earth guy I work with, a women who is extremely political etc. it’s a jolly bunch of misfits.
But they think WW-2 was against Iraq?
@@Paciat - That’s true, my issue is that no one seems to know or care.
If you're not aware; "scheme" is only a negative in the states.
Amazing video. Just a small adjustment, Engesa is pronounced "Enjesa", the "ge" is for engenharia, the portuguese word for engineering. Engesa means simply Engenheiros Especializados S.A. (Specialized engineers Corp).
excellent review of a 'non-aligned' armored personnel carrier
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
This is the true and original meaning of “Third World”. It designated those countries unwilling to strategically bind themselves with western democracies (First World) and the communist bloc (Second World) during the Cold War. Sadly, the meaning has been corrupted by prejudice and racism to mean poor countries filled with non-white people. It’s funny when ignorant people used to say China was “third world”, unaware of the actual definition of the term.
O Urutu é horrível em todos aspectos que se analisa, péssima mecânica, péssima blindagem (não pior que M113), não tem tração em todas rodas e etc..
O Cascavel é um ótimo veiculo, enfrenta tudo com louvor, nem parece que foi feito pela mesma empresa.
A Engesa faliu porque tinha uma péssima administração, era uma empresa pequena que não soube crescer.
Engesa at the request of Iraq later
developed the ET-4 Ogum airborne armored vehicle under tracks, slightly inspired by the German light armor KaH Wiesel, but heavier (4.4 tons against 2.8 tons of the German armor) but more agile and fast, could have several versions: one APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) for up to four soldiers; a command vehicle; an ambulance vehicle (three injured); an anti-car vehicle using either a TOW or MIlan missile; an ammunition transport vehicle and a 120mm mortar transport vehicle, but the project was not carried out, only four prototypes exist today in Brazilian military museums
Very interesting to see a less illustrious, but not less capable, vehicle like this. If nothing else, it shows that by scaling up a more austere design and specification, you often end up with some far better than trying to scale down something more luxurious. 👍
Sorry to hear about the company going belly up. :/
So this vehicle is perfect suited for the daily morning commute and the parking space lot battlefield at the supermarket!
I want mine in flashy Brazilian statecolor metalic green 😎
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
I can really see the appeal of this vehicle to smaller militaries throughout the world. It sounds like a good but not great design, but the value per dollar is through the roof
It was a good all-arounder. Solid protection, firepower and mobility at low price.
Using popular components and keeping the design simple made all the sales possibłe. Opposite for the filling of the American procurment.
@@HanSolo__ the idea of two hull designs and multiple interchangeable turret designs to allow vehicles to easily be built to spec and maintained with off the shelf components is pretty smart.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Os "visionários", alguns de dentro do próprio EB, ajudaram a quebrar a ENGESA.
Hoje estes "visionários" estão em nova geração, adotaram o veículo blindado leve Lince, em detrimento da indústria nacional, que tinha dois modelos em desenvolvimento, o Gladiador da Imbra e o Guará da Avibras.
'3rd world country' relates to non-aligned countries during the Cold War. NATO aligned countries were '1st world', Warsaw Pact aligned countries were '2nd world'.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
Now I must ask for an episode on the Chaimite/ Cadillac-Gage Commando.
first thing i thought when i saw this vehicle, the USA Greyhound
Oh ho now this is something new. I never imagined our beloved "cascavel" brazillian tank show,s up here in tank museum. Nice one 👍🏻🐍🇧🇷
I'm wanting David back in the garden with him throwing Finns ball. 👍
Ok, I'm not the only one... I'm blaming David for my Jenever habit after one of his garden chats!
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
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@@gustavodaniel2820 e nois
There was also a total reconstruction of the Light Tank M3 which had been obsolete for many years with its 30mm cannon, so a company Bernardini presented a project to the Brazilian Army for a total reconstruction of chassis, armor, suspension, turret, in short, everything was dismantled. , studied and improved, ending up designing a much more powerful light tank, with extended suspension and reinforced with bigger size, bigger caliber 90mm Cockerill, received diesel engine, with much greater autonomy, in everything it was a new tank totally different from the old M3 Stuart, this lightweight tank was adopted by the Brazilian Army and would feature an improved armor design with better ballistic shapes for the front hull, its chassis was also wider than 2.6 meters (7.9 to 8.5 feet), this widening of the hull would result in a significant improvement in the overall mobility of the X1A2 which also won an Allison CD-500 transmission, its weight took it out of the light armor category and raised it to that of Medium tank already its weight rose to 19 metric tons (21 US tons) and the hull grew to about 6.06 meters (19.8 feet) long, 2.6 meters (8.5 feet) wide and 2, 45 meters (8 ft) tall, it received a 280 hp inline 6-cylinder Scania-Vabis DS-11 diesel engine, which gave it a top speed of 60 km/h (37 mph) on the roads, 30 km/ h (18 mph) off-road, 15 km/h reverse and an operational range of 600 kilometers (373 miles) on-road and 350 km (217 miles) off-road, its tower had similar layout to the tower. French H-90 which could rotate 360 degrees in 12 seconds with a hydraulic drive, its main weapon could fire HEAT, High Explosive Squash Head (HESH) and High Explosive (HE) ammunition, minus the APFSDS, were incorporated into the 6th Cavalry Regiment Blindade headquartered in Alegrete / RS, since its previous version the X1 were built 54 armored vehicles, much less capable, which were incorporated to the 1st Reg. Armored Cavalry Regiment until its replacement by the M41C Caxias and also served in the 6th Armored Cavalry Regiment until its replacement by the more capable X1A2 Carcará.
www.armasnacionais.com/2020/08/ccl-x1-pioneiro-e-x1a1a2-carcara.html
The ee 9 was purchased by Cyprus National Guard. I served in the unit in 1986. So the Cascavel at that time was just 3 years old. In total the Cyprus National Guard had 144 of the Cascavel ee 9 model in service in 1986. There were some jararaca's and urutus but not many. The engines were Diesel Detroit V 8 american, and manufactured under license by the engesa company in Brazil. 90 mm main gun, maximum bombardment distance 20 km, but more effective at 4-5 km's. Always carried 44 shells, 2,000 7,62 mm for the co-axial machine gun, and 1,000 rounds of 0,50 inch browning anti aircraft or against infantry and light vehicles. Highly mobile with 100-110 km/h on highway or up to 40 km/h in off road battle field condions of movement. Gave a good punch, mobile, manouverable on flat land and even in hilly mountaineous areas. Was easily camouflaged. It was an effective defensive weapon for Cyprus that could also undertake offensive operations if supported by infantry units. Such operations the National Guard of Cyprus at that time was very well trained, and had to obide by two main rules : SURPRISE AND SPEED of attack.
that cascavel has the same type rear suspension like the scammell trucks suspension .
Despite the Iraquian default and the expensive project of Osório have weighed on Engesa bankrupctcy, I still think the geopolitical conjunction and the political scenario was the main issue. In the 1990's Brazil was plenity of economical problems. Just in the 1980's the coin was changed twice. After the end of the military dictatorship in 1985 and the first direct elections in 1990 Fernando Collor de Melo was elected. In that time there was a "right wave" in South America, so the neo-liberalism became the main idea of those new rulers. It meant a rupture with the previous Keynesian idea of Welfare State. Therefore Brazil was led to era of privatizations and budget cuts, which of course affected the defense industry. The Brazillian government could have helped Engesa, but it didn't happen.
I'm surprised that armored cars with a large cannon aren't more common. Seems like a good mobile defense.
The issue is that a large enough canon to take off a modern MBT, like the various 120mm used on western tanks, does not fit on a small armoured car.
The largest I am aware of is the 105mm (the one mounted in the first Abrams).
It can certainly cope with 70s era MBTs, like the T55/62 and T72, but not their updated russian or Chinese made variants.
To sum it up: the biggest gun you can put on a light vehicle will be useless against modern MBTs. Unless your oponent has only outdated tanks, it makes no sense to use such a vehicle. Better use modern MBTs to fight modern tanks, and fit lighter 25, 30 or 40mm autocannons on light vehicles.
Another option it to fit antitank missiles if some antitank capability is required.
The term Third World has nothing to do with income. The First World comprised NATO countries and allies; Second World was the Soviets and allies; and Third World comprised non-aligned countries.
In the late 90's I was doing an IT training, and the trainer said something that stuck with me, that it was cheaper for organizations to adapt themselves to a standard software package like MS Office then it was to create a custom product that was purpose built for them. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain thanks to standard updates, and that you would get more updates as well. I reckon Engesa proves that the same applies to military hardware. Rather then design and order your own custom tank to your own wants and needs its cheaper to buy a mass produced design and change your organization and doctrine to it instead.
well not to downplay it but its pretty common sense how it works, sourcing something already existing means the foundation process is skipped, for me to chop down a tree and manufacture posts and panels from it is far too much work and time alone, its easier to go to a builders merchant site and buy it as someone else has already done it and just drive it home.
but i say the military complex works so much differently to real life parameters of things. cheaper or quicker still doesn't determine that its better. just a situational purpose that saves money.
i think the reason we see the likes of south Africa etc building its own wheeled armoured vehicles almost from scratch.
@@Dockhead I think what separates the military industrial complex from normal industry is its intimate relationship with its customer, the government. Governments don't think along commercial lines as 'which option costs less money?' And armies are loath to change the way they work. Cause they don't have to turn in a profit. So as long as they can get the Treasury to find the purchase they will go for the custom build options. It's only the smaller militaries that have to learn to adapt to their gear instead of adapt gear towards them. And even there they will still try,
@@Dockhead south africa was under boycott, couldn't buy anything
@@demonprinces17 true, but it inspired them to take matters into there own hands in some way. a lot nations still like iran etc are sourcing russian weaponry, which we see in some cases does not benefit them to there situation.
and even further so lesser eastern or Arabic nations etc are sourcing aged weaponry and vehicles which in todays climate is almost just a waste of money.
india itself moved to try sourcing its own vehicle designs because of this very issue, although they do still buy russian equipment some times.
Did the company ever consider looking into the civilian market? If they could produce an armored car to wide markets they could produce other types of vehicles ranging from cars to tractors. I believe companies that made war weapons during WWII went from civilian, to military, and then back into civilian manufacturing. It's a complex question but something that most companies have to consider to survive.
I watch these for the history and the engineering that went into those vehicles. David Willey and Mr "Moustache" Fletcher himself always make these videos entertaining and informative. thank you so much for this knowledge and I cant wait for lockdown to end so I can finally come down and see the Museum for myself
This tank is very beautiful, I'm Brazilian and I'm proud of Cascavel's history! 🇧🇷❤️🐍🚬
As soon as 'civil engineering firm' was mentioned I was totally engaged, no way this doesn't end up surprisingly good or epic (and entertaining) failure.
Surprisingly good, and well thought out, it is. Well done to the República Federativa do Brasil.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 excelente vídeo. Obrigado pelas informações. Abraço.
The paper works you showed had a 6v53 Detroit diesel
Look at the bottom line.
"..or Mercedes-Benz diesel..."
It would be very interesting to see the SA ratel family.
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Nice to see them in The Tank Museum. Thank you for this video showing the amazing work done by Engesa engineers
I find it somewhat obvious that this was a domestic production. Note how the turret on the fully domestic product has the "bullet trap" facets on the lower left and right front of the turret, much like early German WWII tanks. That lesson was well learned that this sort of faceting redirects shells that impact this area either into the turret ring or straight down into the crew area (where the top armor is often thinner). If they had benefitted from real world experiences those facets on the turret would never have been there
That rear articulation is incredible. Love tank chats, but these chats are unique and very interesting.
Edit: just realized I believe I've seen one of these before, Camp Taji boneyard. It was in remarkable condition given what it likely faced.
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Nice video !👍 ( Only a comment: the "Enge" in the Company's name "Engesa" is pronounced in portuguese just like the word "Engineer" as It comes from the word"engenharia" which means engineering.)
He's very handsome! I'm Brazilian and I like his look, but since ENGESA went bankrupt, many of his units are inoperational.Unfortunately a large company annihilated by the government!
(A curiosity JARARACA, URUTU and CASCAVEL are species of snake here from Brazil!)
Proud to see one of my country's best machines!
A salute from Brazil!
on the photo at 15:05 , is that an Urutu with an AMX13 turret ?
No, thats the EE-17 Sucuri, a wheeled tank destroyer developed by Engesa.
No is a EE-17 Sucuri
Basically yes
I always wondered how they got away with such (relatively) low HP in such heavy vehicles, makes me wonder how one of these would go with a modern V8
It's more about the torque numbers for most situations. If the numbers I found are accurate, you've got ~650ish ftlbs of torque at 1400 rpm. It's got a lot of low end grunt. That will get it through the mud, muck and mire quite well.
The paint scheme looks like texture quality set to low.