Example: I work in Ottawa and two years ago took a cab to a conference in Gatineau. The cab driver was Lebanese, perfectly bilingual. We started talking about travelling between the provinces and he told me that in Ontario he's treated like everyone else, as an equal whereas in Quebec he's treated "comme un immigrant."
And yes it is important that the leader of a Canadian province speaks and understands English. It will be potentially very embarrassing for Quebec when she has to use the services of a translator when meeting with provincial premiers and American governors.
J'imagine pas ça comme première ministre.La régression d'être obliger d'avoir un interprète lorsqu'elle ira à la rencontre des premiers ministre.A chaque fois que je la voie dans les nouvelles,j'aurai toujours cette vision d'elle.
I'm not anti Quebec. I was born and raised here and consider it my home. Montreal is an amazing city and is unlike any other. I am however anti PQ and everything they stand for.
There is nothing in our laws that suggests there need be a referendum on ratifying a constitution. In this country for most things we speak through our elected representatives.
Well I agree with you. If you work at a store like the ones you named in Quebec I think it is common sense that the employees should be able to converse in French. I can certainly understand frustration in that regards. I don't think there are too many Anglo Quebecois these days, in particular young ones, who argue that learning French is pointless. I think ideally Montreal should be bilingual, this should be cherished and that the OQLF should promote French without having to restrict English.
The fact that the Supreme Court says that Bill 101 is constitutional DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SUPPORTED. The courts don't judge policy on its merits, they decide whether it is constitutional or not.
The fact that Quebec gives money doesn't mean it's colonized, it means that it is a province within a larger country. All provinces give money to the federal government it doesn't mean they are colonized.
@Jon Bar it's the French that were apartheid against in Canada, it's the Canadiens. Every provinces and territories outside of Quebec had regulations in place to forbid French. Regulation target to ostracized one cultural group in particular is the definition of apartheid.
My view is that it is unlikely that the language of Molière will be disappearing anytime soon and at the end of the day, coercive actions will be counter-productive. The reason there are fears of the decline in French is because English is attractive to Quebecois de souche and immigrants alike and this is not going to change. It's unfortunate I suppose but by fact of geography, Quebec is surrounded by a sea of English and for people who want to do business with the States or other provinces...
Why never ? How do you KNOW that ? A lot of people that I have discussed with agree that anyone getting a superior education diploma in Québec at the resident rate will have to spend a certain amount of years working in Québec otherwise the bill for the education will be returned to him/her. The CAQ - François Legault - has put something like that in the party platform.
Canada is officially bilingual insofar as relations with the federal government are concerned. This is covered by the Official Languages Act. You are correct that the provinces have exclusive control over language policy that was never in dispute.
Oh and btw, my office here in Ottawa is filled with Quebecers, both English and French, who for one reason or another felt that Quebec was not where they wanted to establish themselves and start a family. I don't think treating them as traitors is particularly helpful.
Oh, and you might want to read up on section 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights....Even though a law may be discriminatory it may still be upheld as constitutional if there is a pressing and substantial need for the law.
No one wants to destroy who you are. No one thinks for one second that we will go back to the days of Duplessis and the English bosses will dominate and all that. And I agree in principle that there is nothing wrong with protecting culture, language and identity but where it becomes problematic is when the effect of such protections means restricting others in their affairs. And with respect, no person can claim that English has not been negatively affected through QC language laws.
I can't deny the fact that I agree with what you say to a large extent. But I might also venture to say that Quebec's immigration policy is part of the problem too since it seeks to attract French speaking immigrants and where do they come from? Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria etc...
Funny…you are outrage in the comment that Quebecois call an immigrant an immigrant…and saying pretty much the most racist thing yourself…god, ROC people will never stop to amaze me by their blindness about their own prejudice and racism
From Bernard Descôteaux's article from today: Rien n’est toutefois assuré quand on voit que l’option de la souveraineté est aujourd’hui en perte de vitesse et que seulement 30 % des Québécois souhaitent la tenue d’un référendum au cours des cinq prochaines années.
The difference is that among the G8 these are independent states, Quebec is a province in Canada which is an officially bilingual country. Moreover, given that Quebec is surrounded by a sea of English, I think it would be simple common sense that its leader should speak it. Levesque, Parizeau, Bouchard, Johnson etc.they all knew how to speak English I agree that everyone in Quebec should know French and I've never disputed that; I don't see why this means minimizing the importance of English.
Je comprend parfaitement que des immigrants ne soient pas concernés par la souveraineté de mon peuple. Cela ne les concerne pas !! Je sais aussi que certains comprennent la situation et sont pour la souveraineté. Plusieurs immigrants sont d'ailleurs membres et mêmes élus du PQ.
«No one wants to destroy who you are. » Peut-être le croirai-je le jour où les anglos reconnaîtront le régime d’apartheid et la ségrégation profonde qu’ils ont commis contre mon peuple et qu’ils offriront réparation pour ces méfaits. Jusqu’à ce jour, je dois considérer que rien n’a changé.
Well like I said I agree that if you run a store in Montreal and your business is to sell goods or services to the general public then yes being able to speak French should be necessary. At the same time I think a lot of folks in La Belle Province need to chill out, accept the fact that English in Quebec is a fact and not simply another "langue étrangère" and the new government should stop blowing the dog whistle and try to make everyone fear that the Anglo-Saxon monster is taking over again.
(5) And as much as I would want a mutual respect situation to be established, we (Quebec separatists) can not afford to give up just because of Anglos' little concerns and fears. If it happens, I'm sure you'll be strong enough to deal with it, just like we managed to do for the past 250 years. So on this, I wish you luck in your struggle for respect and liberty when you'll take our place. You'll see, it's pretty damn frustrating.
Since the creation of the Confederation in 1867, Canada has been increasingly centralized through the years. We are still living in the Canada that Trudeau left us. He can rest in peace.
(1) I, as a supporter of the PQ and independence, do not feel any attachment to Canada what so ever. I am part of a people without a country. An ethnic group without a future. No matter where I go in the world, I have no home. Even when it is on my own land, it's still technically someone else's. We are at least 3 million Quebecers to feel that way. We never had a country and we were never the majority in our "own" nation. So trust me, if we ever manage to make this place our country once day
Le colonisé dénigre toujours son peuple, sa langue, sa culture et son identité. Le colonisé aime aussi faire étalage de la puissance de son maître. Tout chef d'état doit se limiter à sa langue nationale lorsqu'il est en public. L'anglais de Pauline Marois ne peut donc pas être un enjeu .. sauf pour les colonisés..
IF you want to make sure people stay in Quebec the best way to do so is to radically change the way in which Quebec is governed and make it more a more attractive place to start a business and raise a family. Deep income and corporate tax cuts. Greater tax incentives for starting business in QC. Eliminate the OQLF. Liberalize labour laws. Crack down on the big unions in particular the CSN. Moratorium on referendum talk for 20 years.....
True except I suspect that ON-QS-PQ are more ideologically in tune than CAQ-PLQ. And since it is ON-QS-PQ that seem to want a referendum and not CAQ-PLQ, they are the ones who will need a majority in the National Assembly because without it, no referendum bill will ever pass.
(2) the least of my concerns will be how Anglo-Quebecers feel about it. For hundreds of years we've been a sub-category of people in a country that was already a sub-category of the British Colonial Empire. We never had a land of our own. We we never acknowledged as a real people. We are so unimportant that there is still today a good half of the world that doesn't even know that we exist and that we are different from the rest of this so called country. So I know I will repeat myself, but
Apparently it's getting even worse than I imagined. Now you have paramedics who, though able to speak and understand English, refuse to speak the language to parents who are trying to save their daughter....It's just shameful what's happening in Quebec of late. montreal.ctvnews.ca/family-furious-over-language-spat-during-emergency-1.1007546
I've worked in and outside of Quebec and Quebec might be more fun but you get paid less and are taxed more. That said, I was in Laval yesterday and I heard much more English and saw more bilingual signs than anytime I have been in downtown Montreal. I think ultimately it's best if the company decides the linguistic policies they want to follow. If a company wants to make bilingualism a requirement for being hired I think that is sensible and if they want to affix bilingual signs all the better.
Mais, ça, ça veut dire que la langue française et toute la culture qui vient avec disparaitra rapidement de l'Amérique. On a fait des lois pour ralentir la disparition, parce que de voir sa culture disparaître est quelque chose d'extrêmement douloureux. Il faut le vivre pour le comprendre en fait. Ce n'est pas quelque chose que l'on peut imaginer.
Lots of people on the net are not worth a discussion. I have given a lot of facts with credible sources to back hem up and you can do your own research too. There is a lot more to this discussion at this point than one can swallow in 24 hours. The correct way to handle this is not to turn the discussion into an attack again me personally.
Et cependant que diriez-vous si je vous affirmais que lors des sondages téléphoniques durant la campagne électorale référendaire à Montréal en 1980 nous rencontrions des anglophones qui étaient au Québec depuis 1760, et qui ne parlaient toujours pas en français???-1- Alors qu’en plus que leurs ancêtres britanniques avaient déporté plus de 967% des Acadiens, dont plusieurs revinrent au Québec, dont 6,000 périrent noyés puisqu’ils étaient sur de vieux rafiots???-2- Qu’une majorité de francophones furent assimilés durant près d’un siècle (88 ans) dans toutes les provinces anglaises???-3- Que des autochtones furent enlevés de leur famille pour les mettre dans des pensionnats (1831=1997) sinon ils ne recevraient pas leurs chèques provenant du ministère des Affaires autochtone???-4- En plus d’avoir l’obligation d’apprendre la langue anglaise même au Québec (La Tuque= Anglican) qui était la circonscription électorale fédérale du ministre des Affaires autochtones (Jean Chrétien)=(Comté Saint-Maurice) qui curieusement souffre d’amnésie???-5- Alors que c’est cette même communauté Anglo-canadienne qui fait de l’urticaire, et qui braille sans-cesse contre la loi 101???-6- Tandis que Alliance-Québec reçue du fédéral des subventions charitables de l’ordre 90%, de 1982 à 2006???-7- Je n’ai pourtant pas souvenance que la minorité française des neufs provinces anglaises reçurent de l’aide du gouvernement central???-8- Je me souviens qu’alors que tous les patrons étaient de langue anglaise au Québec , et que pour avoir œuvrer durant 50 ans au sein de leurs entreprises, les employés prêts à partir pour la retraite recevaient une vulgaire montre-bracelet comme remerciement!!!-8- Je n’oublies cependant pas que durant les années 50-60-70 nous nous faisions dire « Speak Withe’ chaque fois que nous nous adressions en français!!!- Quelle minorité est la plus à plaindre: » » Celle qui représente 98% sur le continent nord-américain, où celle qui désigne les francophones (2%) et qui songe plutôt à la protéger ???-« « JE ME SOUVIENS!!! » »= Viviane (30-05-2022)
1) __canadalibre.ca_references_lois-antifrancaises 2) Nous envoyons de 60-70 milliards par année à Ottawa et nous ne recevons pratiquement aucun service en retour. L'Éducation, la santé, les services sociaux, la sécurié civile, les transports, etc. sont tous payés par le gouvernement du Québec à partir des impôts et taxes PROVINCIALES. Dans les autres provinces, Ottawa paie pour tout.
I agree it's not a war against the English but unfortunately the policies enacted in order to defend the French language have deleterious effects on the rights of the English minority.
Anglos make a lot of effort to make Canadiens believe that they should not abandon anglo-canada. Perhaps the 60-70 billions of taxes money we send to Ottawa each year has something to do with that. For sure, all that money taken from us has something to do with the fact that we are colonized.
Ce sont les anglos qui tiennent à garder les commissions scolaires anglophones séparés. Ce sont les anglos qui se sont séparés de la grande ville de Montréal fusionnée (Baie-d'Urfée, Westmount, Hamstead, ..)
It is constitutional. I never denied that. The Supreme Court also recently found that article 585 of the Code civil du Quebec is constitutional as well though it excludes benefits for common law spouses. Constitutional yes. Good policy? no.
I think most people are savvy enough realize however that regardless of how you feel about the English language, English people, the British etc..it is useful to understand and know how to speak it if for no other reason than the fact that as Carrier points out Quebec is surrounded by 400 million English-speaking people. I think Quebec may be one of the only places in the world where bilingualism is frowned upon and it's all based on resentment and jealousy. It's time to get over the past.
Quebec is legally part of Canada, and has been since long before you were born, so being born here makes you a Canadian. The federal government pours tons of money into this province; much, much more than Quebecers pay in taxes, so Canada actually supports Quebec economically. Quebec wastes a lot of funds duplicating services which are not necessary, and by "language police" and so forth, and it's only by the grace of being part of Canada that Quebec has not sunk completely down the drain.
1) Lots of French Canadians did move to Maine and New Hampshire, you are right about that. But if you head south you will notice that they don't speak or understand a single word of French. 2) In spite of the fact that the French were mistreated in Canada, French is not under threat in this country. 3) No serious person would compare the plight of the Quebecois with that of black South Africans under Apartheid, it's a silly claim and undermines your arguments.
(4) a new Canadian province in the case of Quebec's separation... If you manage to get the support for it. In fact, about 50% of the Montreal population is in favour of independence from Canada. It's specifically the West-Island that is against it. In 1995, the Island of Montreal shown a result of 55% in favour. So technically if you want to stay part of Canada you would have to only keep the West-Island... I wouldn't mind it, but I'm not sure Canada would be willing to keep a chunk of island
That is the subject of discussions I've had with French-Quebecois friends for years. I agree with the necessity of protecting the French language but I think what many people in the Anglo-Quebecois community fail to accept, and I count myself among them, is that one has to discriminate against one language in order to protect another. I don't see promoting French and tolerating/embracing English as being mutually exclusive.
Je vous ai déjà dit que nous n'avons pas besoin des anglos ni des ethnis pour faire la souveraineté. Nous avons atteint 49.4 % sans eux déjà. La prochaine fois, on fera mieux et c'est tout.
Would it be best also if companies decided how much tax they want to pay ? Isn't it an infirgement on their liberties to force them to send money to the governements ??
If protecting our language, culture and identity is nationalism then be it. There can not be anything wrong with a people protecting what he is. But what about the other nationalism ? the one that wants to destroy what we are ?
If the Québec people was anglo or jew, it would have separated generations ago. Two and a half centuries of imperialistic colonization with apartheid regulations and economic segregations leaves deep scarves into the people. Conditions were so bad for the French people in Canada that they had similar life conditions when compared to anglos as African-American had when compared to whites. So bad that half the French Canadians went into permanent exile in USA just to survive.
Thank you for that guarantee LOL. Mind you, without Bill 101 there would be no question of the government's "guarantees..." The English language survived quite well before Bill 101. And I might add that if an English guy in NDG wants to have a business called "Tavern" he is not allowed to; he has to call it "Taverne..." English people can't get served in English in the Metro and are treated with hostility if they speak English. The government frequently squeezes the EMSB.
I'm not too sure many people continue to buy into the notion that the Quebecois are a colonized people....Perhaps they were at one point but seeing as how they had two opportunities to throw off the chains of what you deem to be colonialism and they rejected that option, perhaps they don't think they are colonized anymore. Perhaps they realize that Quebec plays an integral part in Canada and that it's hard to claim they are colonized when successive PMs have been French Quebecois and GGs.
Quebec already has all sorts of special rights and privileges, which the province is abusing. Separatists are the best treated minority on the planet, and yet they will never be satisfied.
Bill 101 remove no right to anglos in Québec. Quite the contrary, it GUARANTEES their rights to speak english and to get free education and services in english. Most other provinces in anglo-canada and over one hundred other democratic states in the world - England, California, Switzerland, Belgium, etc.- have similar language laws. And, the suprem court of anglo-canada supports bill 101. Still not enough ?
Canadians were speaking french for over a century and a half before english came and those have always tried to eliminate other cultures since then with reservation, language apartheid and economical segregation. Hence, yes, english is a foreign language to the real Canadiens by the very fact of the choices and actions of anglo-imperialists. Calling other "quite stupid' won't make you more part of our patrie.
(7) still pay the exact same amount of money to Ottawa as they do right now and it would change nothing. And Quebec, by not paying money to Ottawa would end up with about the same budget capacities as it does right now. And for the military... So what? It's not like if the Canadian military was protecting us from anything... Do you sincerely think that it could repel an invasion from the US, China or Russia? The Canadian Army has no propose other than rebellion control.
«no person can claim that English has not been negatively affected through QC language laws. » Je répète : La loi 101 n'enlève RIEN aux anglophones du Québec. Au contraire : La loi 101 GARANTIE aux anglophones du Québec l'accès à l'éducation et à TOUS les services dans leur langue.
spas mieux que dans un G8, ou est cque les président/premier ministres ont des traducteurs pour communiquer ensemble.. Bref Pauline ses idéologies sont pas tous excellentes et non j'suis pas pour la séparation du Québec mais je crois que tout le monde qui demeurent dans cette province doivent savoir la base du francais. Je me fais servire seulement en anglais parfois au centre-ville, jtrouve ca incroyablement impoli, la chose que jvoulais dire cest pourquoi il faudrait qu'elle parle anglais.
(8) Quebec can do that by itself. And for the currency... If Quebec was to abandon the Canadian dollar, it would have to sell it to either in exchange for a new currency or in exchange for gold which would be used to buy a new currency of its own. If Canada was to end up with 1/5 of its money not being used, it would devaluated a lot so... Yes we could make our own currency, but Canada would probably want us to keep the Canadian dollar. That is all.
je dirais l'american apparel, l'american eagle, et quelques autres boutiques dans le centre ville.. je leur répond en francais et ils continuent de me parler en anglais alors que je leur posent une question tres simple ils comprennent pas cque je leur dit et ca me frustre, alors que moi quand je travaille je peux répondre en francais ou en anglais sans problemes. je comprends juste pas les anglo (qui ne parlent pas un mot francais) qui nveulent pas apprendre le francais, cest tres insultant
My parents immigrated to Canada from Greece, they are hardly anglo-imperialists lol. Nor am I. Why is it that in France, Germany, Italy etc...foreign multinationals remain as they are, Starbucks is Starbucks etc...yet in Quebec the fact that one has to add the monicker "les cafés" at the beginning would suggest to me that it is based on resentment and insecurity. There is no practical reason necessitating such additions.
« most sensible people have correctly labelled as bigoted » Normal : Quoi que ce soit que nous fassions, disions ou pensions, les anglos-impérialistes vont toujours nous haïr et nous dénigrer. C'est le règle.
Just consider that, in 1995, everybody in Québec who was older than 40 had grown up calling himself a CanadiEn, not a Québécois. Proposing those to separate from Canada created a lot of mixed feelings.
Example: I work in Ottawa and two years ago took a cab to a conference in Gatineau. The cab driver was Lebanese, perfectly bilingual. We started talking about travelling between the provinces and he told me that in Ontario he's treated like everyone else, as an equal whereas in Quebec he's treated "comme un immigrant."
This is brilliant! Merci Guy. =)
Jai écouter ce video au moin 20 fois+ et je suis tjr cramper en tbk !!!
Elle s'est beaucoup amélioré !
Merci.
And yes it is important that the leader of a Canadian province speaks and understands English. It will be potentially very embarrassing for Quebec when she has to use the services of a translator when meeting with provincial premiers and American governors.
J'imagine pas ça comme première ministre.La régression d'être obliger d'avoir un interprète lorsqu'elle ira à la rencontre des premiers ministre.A chaque fois que je la voie dans les nouvelles,j'aurai toujours cette vision d'elle.
Le peuple au Québec parle le français depuis 400 ans. Les étrangers, non.
You're absolutely right. Rule Britannia, God Save the King, the sun never sets on the British Empire and all that....
I'm not anti Quebec. I was born and raised here and consider it my home. Montreal is an amazing city and is unlike any other. I am however anti PQ and everything they stand for.
Well, I'll agree with you on that.
There is nothing in our laws that suggests there need be a referendum on ratifying a constitution. In this country for most things we speak through our elected representatives.
Well I agree with you. If you work at a store like the ones you named in Quebec I think it is common sense that the employees should be able to converse in French. I can certainly understand frustration in that regards. I don't think there are too many Anglo Quebecois these days, in particular young ones, who argue that learning French is pointless. I think ideally Montreal should be bilingual, this should be cherished and that the OQLF should promote French without having to restrict English.
The fact that the Supreme Court says that Bill 101 is constitutional DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SUPPORTED. The courts don't judge policy on its merits, they decide whether it is constitutional or not.
The fact that Quebec gives money doesn't mean it's colonized, it means that it is a province within a larger country. All provinces give money to the federal government it doesn't mean they are colonized.
You can see it the other way around. That makes Canadians all the more Quebecers.
Ça doit t'attrister ça des gens qui ne peuvent pas entendre ce que tu as à dire. :- (
Courage vieille branche! Le Québec te supporte!
@Jon Bar it's the French that were apartheid against in Canada, it's the Canadiens. Every provinces and territories outside of Quebec had regulations in place to forbid French. Regulation target to ostracized one cultural group in particular is the definition of apartheid.
Descôtaux reports that 70 % would not **a referendum** on sovereignety now, not that they do not want sovereignety.
My view is that it is unlikely that the language of Molière will be disappearing anytime soon and at the end of the day, coercive actions will be counter-productive. The reason there are fears of the decline in French is because English is attractive to Quebecois de souche and immigrants alike and this is not going to change. It's unfortunate I suppose but by fact of geography, Quebec is surrounded by a sea of English and for people who want to do business with the States or other provinces...
I don't think I've laughed as hard in a while as when he/she says two thousand oyster. I was litterally in tears XD
Moi qui pensait seulement à rire en regardant une vidéo de RBO, je me suis retrouvé au beau milieu d'une séance de Quebec bashing.
Il est interdit de rire de nous-mêmes?
@@Game_Hero Je faisais ici référence aux commentaires en-dessous de la vidéo.
An inclusive noune indeed.
Why never ? How do you KNOW that ?
A lot of people that I have discussed with agree that anyone getting a superior education diploma in Québec at the resident rate will have to spend a certain amount of years working in Québec otherwise the bill for the education will be returned to him/her.
The CAQ - François Legault - has put something like that in the party platform.
We are 80 % of the population. If we really get together to take our destiny in hands, nothing can stop us.
Canada is officially bilingual insofar as relations with the federal government are concerned. This is covered by the Official Languages Act. You are correct that the provinces have exclusive control over language policy that was never in dispute.
Oh and btw, my office here in Ottawa is filled with Quebecers, both English and French, who for one reason or another felt that Quebec was not where they wanted to establish themselves and start a family. I don't think treating them as traitors is particularly helpful.
Oh, and you might want to read up on section 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights....Even though a law may be discriminatory it may still be upheld as constitutional if there is a pressing and substantial need for the law.
voila! t'as tout compris
No one wants to destroy who you are. No one thinks for one second that we will go back to the days of Duplessis and the English bosses will dominate and all that. And I agree in principle that there is nothing wrong with protecting culture, language and identity but where it becomes problematic is when the effect of such protections means restricting others in their affairs. And with respect, no person can claim that English has not been negatively affected through QC language laws.
I can't deny the fact that I agree with what you say to a large extent. But I might also venture to say that Quebec's immigration policy is part of the problem too since it seeks to attract French speaking immigrants and where do they come from? Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria etc...
Funny…you are outrage in the comment that Quebecois call an immigrant an immigrant…and saying pretty much the most racist thing yourself…god, ROC people will never stop to amaze me by their blindness about their own prejudice and racism
From Bernard Descôteaux's article from today:
Rien n’est toutefois assuré quand on voit que l’option de la souveraineté est aujourd’hui en perte de vitesse et que seulement 30 % des Québécois souhaitent la tenue d’un référendum au cours des cinq prochaines années.
The difference is that among the G8 these are independent states, Quebec is a province in Canada which is an officially bilingual country. Moreover, given that Quebec is surrounded by a sea of English, I think it would be simple common sense that its leader should speak it. Levesque, Parizeau, Bouchard, Johnson etc.they all knew how to speak English I agree that everyone in Quebec should know French and I've never disputed that; I don't see why this means minimizing the importance of English.
Je comprend parfaitement que des immigrants ne soient pas concernés par la souveraineté de mon peuple. Cela ne les concerne pas !!
Je sais aussi que certains comprennent la situation et sont pour la souveraineté. Plusieurs immigrants sont d'ailleurs membres et mêmes élus du PQ.
Thanks for the support Quebec, but I've got plenty of support here in Ontario and they play a lot nicer too.
«No one wants to destroy who you are. » Peut-être le croirai-je le jour où les anglos reconnaîtront le régime d’apartheid et la ségrégation profonde qu’ils ont commis contre mon peuple et qu’ils offriront réparation pour ces méfaits. Jusqu’à ce jour, je dois considérer que rien n’a changé.
Well like I said I agree that if you run a store in Montreal and your business is to sell goods or services to the general public then yes being able to speak French should be necessary. At the same time I think a lot of folks in La Belle Province need to chill out, accept the fact that English in Quebec is a fact and not simply another "langue étrangère" and the new government should stop blowing the dog whistle and try to make everyone fear that the Anglo-Saxon monster is taking over again.
(5) And as much as I would want a mutual respect situation to be established, we (Quebec separatists) can not afford to give up just because of Anglos' little concerns and fears. If it happens, I'm sure you'll be strong enough to deal with it, just like we managed to do for the past 250 years.
So on this, I wish you luck in your struggle for respect and liberty when you'll take our place. You'll see, it's pretty damn frustrating.
WOW!
Since the creation of the Confederation in 1867, Canada has been increasingly centralized through the years. We are still living in the Canada that Trudeau left us. He can rest in peace.
(1) I, as a supporter of the PQ and independence, do not feel any attachment to Canada what so ever. I am part of a people without a country. An ethnic group without a future. No matter where I go in the world, I have no home. Even when it is on my own land, it's still technically someone else's. We are at least 3 million Quebecers to feel that way. We never had a country and we were never the majority in our "own" nation. So trust me, if we ever manage to make this place our country once day
Le colonisé dénigre toujours son peuple, sa langue, sa culture et son identité. Le colonisé aime aussi faire étalage de la puissance de son maître.
Tout chef d'état doit se limiter à sa langue nationale lorsqu'il est en public. L'anglais de Pauline Marois ne peut donc pas être un enjeu .. sauf pour les colonisés..
IF you want to make sure people stay in Quebec the best way to do so is to radically change the way in which Quebec is governed and make it more a more attractive place to start a business and raise a family. Deep income and corporate tax cuts. Greater tax incentives for starting business in QC. Eliminate the OQLF. Liberalize labour laws. Crack down on the big unions in particular the CSN. Moratorium on referendum talk for 20 years.....
True except I suspect that ON-QS-PQ are more ideologically in tune than CAQ-PLQ. And since it is ON-QS-PQ that seem to want a referendum and not CAQ-PLQ, they are the ones who will need a majority in the National Assembly because without it, no referendum bill will ever pass.
True but since the only way to get sovereignty is thru a referendum it amounts to the same thing,
(2) the least of my concerns will be how Anglo-Quebecers feel about it. For hundreds of years we've been a sub-category of people in a country that was already a sub-category of the British Colonial Empire. We never had a land of our own. We we never acknowledged as a real people. We are so unimportant that there is still today a good half of the world that doesn't even know that we exist and that we are different from the rest of this so called country. So I know I will repeat myself, but
Apparently it's getting even worse than I imagined. Now you have paramedics who, though able to speak and understand English, refuse to speak the language to parents who are trying to save their daughter....It's just shameful what's happening in Quebec of late. montreal.ctvnews.ca/family-furious-over-language-spat-during-emergency-1.1007546
merci..meurci
I've worked in and outside of Quebec and Quebec might be more fun but you get paid less and are taxed more. That said, I was in Laval yesterday and I heard much more English and saw more bilingual signs than anytime I have been in downtown Montreal. I think ultimately it's best if the company decides the linguistic policies they want to follow. If a company wants to make bilingualism a requirement for being hired I think that is sensible and if they want to affix bilingual signs all the better.
Mais, ça, ça veut dire que la langue française et toute la culture qui vient avec disparaitra rapidement de l'Amérique. On a fait des lois pour ralentir la disparition, parce que de voir sa culture disparaître est quelque chose d'extrêmement douloureux. Il faut le vivre pour le comprendre en fait. Ce n'est pas quelque chose que l'on peut imaginer.
English people from Québec sent me here -.-
Lots of people on the net are not worth a discussion.
I have given a lot of facts with credible sources to back hem up and you can do your own research too. There is a lot more to this discussion at this point than one can swallow in 24 hours.
The correct way to handle this is not to turn the discussion into an attack again me personally.
Quand Pauline Marois s'exprime en anglais, je cours me cacher en-dessous du meuble le plus proche.
goomba008 Bof. Elle parlait l'anglais mieux que Hollande ou Sarko.
Moi je prends un grand respire et j'attends l'éclat de rire!
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Et cependant que diriez-vous si je vous affirmais que lors des sondages téléphoniques durant la campagne électorale référendaire à Montréal en 1980 nous rencontrions des anglophones qui étaient au Québec depuis 1760, et qui ne parlaient toujours pas en français???-1- Alors qu’en plus que leurs ancêtres britanniques avaient déporté plus de 967% des Acadiens, dont plusieurs revinrent au Québec, dont 6,000 périrent noyés puisqu’ils étaient sur de vieux rafiots???-2- Qu’une majorité de francophones furent assimilés durant près d’un siècle (88 ans) dans toutes les provinces anglaises???-3- Que des autochtones furent enlevés de leur famille pour les mettre dans des pensionnats (1831=1997) sinon ils ne recevraient pas leurs chèques provenant du ministère des Affaires autochtone???-4- En plus d’avoir l’obligation d’apprendre la langue anglaise même au Québec (La Tuque= Anglican) qui était la circonscription électorale fédérale du ministre des Affaires autochtones (Jean Chrétien)=(Comté Saint-Maurice) qui curieusement souffre d’amnésie???-5- Alors que c’est cette même communauté Anglo-canadienne qui fait de l’urticaire, et qui braille sans-cesse contre la loi 101???-6- Tandis que Alliance-Québec reçue du fédéral des subventions charitables de l’ordre 90%, de 1982 à 2006???-7- Je n’ai pourtant pas souvenance que la minorité française des neufs provinces anglaises reçurent de l’aide du gouvernement central???-8- Je me souviens qu’alors que tous les patrons étaient de langue anglaise au Québec , et que pour avoir œuvrer durant 50 ans au sein de leurs entreprises, les employés prêts à partir pour la retraite recevaient une vulgaire montre-bracelet comme remerciement!!!-8- Je n’oublies cependant pas que durant les années 50-60-70 nous nous faisions dire « Speak Withe’ chaque fois que nous nous adressions en français!!!- Quelle minorité est la plus à plaindre: » » Celle qui représente 98% sur le continent nord-américain, où celle qui désigne les francophones (2%) et qui songe plutôt à la protéger ???-« « JE ME SOUVIENS!!! » »= Viviane (30-05-2022)
A la mention-1- il y eût une erreur de frappe puisque 97% d’Acadiens de langue française furent déportés.- (30-05-2022)
'' Quebec already has all sorts of special rights and privileges ''
Can you name me some???
1) __canadalibre.ca_references_lois-antifrancaises
2) Nous envoyons de 60-70 milliards par année à Ottawa et nous ne recevons pratiquement aucun service en retour. L'Éducation, la santé, les services sociaux, la sécurié civile, les transports, etc. sont tous payés par le gouvernement du Québec à partir des impôts et taxes PROVINCIALES.
Dans les autres provinces, Ottawa paie pour tout.
Cheerio.
I agree it's not a war against the English but unfortunately the policies enacted in order to defend the French language have deleterious effects on the rights of the English minority.
Anglos make a lot of effort to make Canadiens believe that they should not abandon anglo-canada. Perhaps the 60-70 billions of taxes money we send to Ottawa each year has something to do with that. For sure, all that money taken from us has something to do with the fact that we are colonized.
Yes, long live Quebec within Canada, enjoying a solid relationship with the best best in the world!
Ce sont les anglos qui tiennent à garder les commissions scolaires anglophones séparés.
Ce sont les anglos qui se sont séparés de la grande ville de Montréal fusionnée (Baie-d'Urfée, Westmount, Hamstead, ..)
@Canada Libre Correction : It is **NOT** French that were ostracized, it is the Canadiens...
It is constitutional. I never denied that. The Supreme Court also recently found that article 585 of the Code civil du Quebec is constitutional as well though it excludes benefits for common law spouses. Constitutional yes. Good policy? no.
One of the funniest things I ever seen
And I am a sovereignist!
I think most people are savvy enough realize however that regardless of how you feel about the English language, English people, the British etc..it is useful to understand and know how to speak it if for no other reason than the fact that as Carrier points out Quebec is surrounded by 400 million English-speaking people. I think Quebec may be one of the only places in the world where bilingualism is frowned upon and it's all based on resentment and jealousy. It's time to get over the past.
Quebec is legally part of Canada, and has been since long before you were born, so being born here makes you a Canadian. The federal government pours tons of money into this province; much, much more than Quebecers pay in taxes, so Canada actually supports Quebec economically. Quebec wastes a lot of funds duplicating services which are not necessary, and by "language police" and so forth, and it's only by the grace of being part of Canada that Quebec has not sunk completely down the drain.
I wouldn't say no in exchange of a constitutional change that would recognize Quebec as a distinct nation with some special powers.
Not the morning the contraire!
1) Lots of French Canadians did move to Maine and New Hampshire, you are right about that. But if you head south you will notice that they don't speak or understand a single word of French. 2) In spite of the fact that the French were mistreated in Canada, French is not under threat in this country. 3) No serious person would compare the plight of the Quebecois with that of black South Africans under Apartheid, it's a silly claim and undermines your arguments.
Like I said this is not a high school debate.
(4) a new Canadian province in the case of Quebec's separation... If you manage to get the support for it. In fact, about 50% of the Montreal population is in favour of independence from Canada. It's specifically the West-Island that is against it. In 1995, the Island of Montreal shown a result of 55% in favour. So technically if you want to stay part of Canada you would have to only keep the West-Island... I wouldn't mind it, but I'm not sure Canada would be willing to keep a chunk of island
That is the subject of discussions I've had with French-Quebecois friends for years. I agree with the necessity of protecting the French language but I think what many people in the Anglo-Quebecois community fail to accept, and I count myself among them, is that one has to discriminate against one language in order to protect another. I don't see promoting French and tolerating/embracing English as being mutually exclusive.
Je vous ai déjà dit que nous n'avons pas besoin des anglos ni des ethnis pour faire la souveraineté. Nous avons atteint 49.4 % sans eux déjà. La prochaine fois, on fera mieux et c'est tout.
Again, I don't deny what was done in the past. What I'm talking about is what's going on now.
C'est plus facile de dénigrer que de comprendre, surtout pour les racistes.
A people can not have two languages for long. It only does when one is replacing the other.
Would it be best also if companies decided how much tax they want to pay ? Isn't it an infirgement on their liberties to force them to send money to the governements ??
J'SUIS TELLEMENT D'ACCORD!
Et dire que cette tarte là a l’air plus allumée que l’original. 🤦🏼♀️
she makes more sense than marois!
If protecting our language, culture and identity is nationalism then be it. There can not be anything wrong with a people protecting what he is.
But what about the other nationalism ? the one that wants to destroy what we are ?
If the Québec people was anglo or jew, it would have separated generations ago.
Two and a half centuries of imperialistic colonization with apartheid regulations and economic segregations leaves deep scarves into the people. Conditions were so bad for the French people in Canada that they had similar life conditions when compared to anglos as African-American had when compared to whites. So bad that half the French Canadians went into permanent exile in USA just to survive.
Thank you for that guarantee LOL. Mind you, without Bill 101 there would be no question of the government's "guarantees..." The English language survived quite well before Bill 101. And I might add that if an English guy in NDG wants to have a business called "Tavern" he is not allowed to; he has to call it "Taverne..." English people can't get served in English in the Metro and are treated with hostility if they speak English. The government frequently squeezes the EMSB.
oui mais si y'avait pas de loi jcrois qu'on perderait le francais a montréal, comme au début des années 70 avant d'implorer la loi 101
I'm not too sure many people continue to buy into the notion that the Quebecois are a colonized people....Perhaps they were at one point but seeing as how they had two opportunities to throw off the chains of what you deem to be colonialism and they rejected that option, perhaps they don't think they are colonized anymore. Perhaps they realize that Quebec plays an integral part in Canada and that it's hard to claim they are colonized when successive PMs have been French Quebecois and GGs.
Read my follow up....I said I would take time later to read it all. I perused some of the American states.
Quebec already has all sorts of special rights and privileges, which the province is abusing. Separatists are the best treated minority on the planet, and yet they will never be satisfied.
Bill 101 remove no right to anglos in Québec. Quite the contrary, it GUARANTEES their rights to speak english and to get free education and services in english.
Most other provinces in anglo-canada and over one hundred other democratic states in the world - England, California, Switzerland, Belgium, etc.- have similar language laws.
And, the suprem court of anglo-canada supports bill 101.
Still not enough ?
Cool, we'll talk some more later.
@Jon Bar : all anglo provinces give money to the anglo federal government. We are not anglo hence we are taxed by a foreign nation
Canadians were speaking french for over a century and a half before english came and those have always tried to eliminate other cultures since then with reservation, language apartheid and economical segregation. Hence, yes, english is a foreign language to the real Canadiens by the very fact of the choices and actions of anglo-imperialists.
Calling other "quite stupid' won't make you more part of our patrie.
(7) still pay the exact same amount of money to Ottawa as they do right now and it would change nothing. And Quebec, by not paying money to Ottawa would end up with about the same budget capacities as it does right now. And for the military... So what? It's not like if the Canadian military was protecting us from anything... Do you sincerely think that it could repel an invasion from the US, China or Russia? The Canadian Army has no propose other than rebellion control.
«no person can claim that English has not been negatively affected through QC language laws. »
Je répète : La loi 101 n'enlève RIEN aux anglophones du Québec. Au contraire : La loi 101 GARANTIE aux anglophones du Québec l'accès à l'éducation et à TOUS les services dans leur langue.
spas mieux que dans un G8, ou est cque les président/premier ministres ont des traducteurs pour communiquer ensemble.. Bref Pauline ses idéologies sont pas tous excellentes et non j'suis pas pour la séparation du Québec mais je crois que tout le monde qui demeurent dans cette province doivent savoir la base du francais. Je me fais servire seulement en anglais parfois au centre-ville, jtrouve ca incroyablement impoli, la chose que jvoulais dire cest pourquoi il faudrait qu'elle parle anglais.
(8) Quebec can do that by itself. And for the currency... If Quebec was to abandon the Canadian dollar, it would have to sell it to either in exchange for a new currency or in exchange for gold which would be used to buy a new currency of its own. If Canada was to end up with 1/5 of its money not being used, it would devaluated a lot so... Yes we could make our own currency, but Canada would probably want us to keep the Canadian dollar.
That is all.
je dirais l'american apparel, l'american eagle, et quelques autres boutiques dans le centre ville.. je leur répond en francais et ils continuent de me parler en anglais alors que je leur posent une question tres simple ils comprennent pas cque je leur dit et ca me frustre, alors que moi quand je travaille je peux répondre en francais ou en anglais sans problemes. je comprends juste pas les anglo (qui ne parlent pas un mot francais) qui nveulent pas apprendre le francais, cest tres insultant
My parents immigrated to Canada from Greece, they are hardly anglo-imperialists lol. Nor am I. Why is it that in France, Germany, Italy etc...foreign multinationals remain as they are, Starbucks is Starbucks etc...yet in Quebec the fact that one has to add the monicker "les cafés" at the beginning would suggest to me that it is based on resentment and insecurity. There is no practical reason necessitating such additions.
« most sensible people have correctly labelled as bigoted »
Normal : Quoi que ce soit que nous fassions, disions ou pensions, les anglos-impérialistes vont toujours nous haïr et nous dénigrer. C'est le règle.
j'en ris encore.... a quand le prochain bye bye RBO????????
Just consider that, in 1995, everybody in Québec who was older than 40 had grown up calling himself a CanadiEn, not a Québécois. Proposing those to separate from Canada created a lot of mixed feelings.
and when i noune...its an inclusive noune XD
Je sais que ça a absolument aucun rapport, mais l'horloge de chat en arrière est dans l'intro de Back to the Future (Part 1) !!