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I love Lingsha, but not for the reason youd think. If you asked me what unit on my account has put in the most work overall, it would actually be HuoHuo of all units. Anything short of a one shot and HuoHuo is never letting my units die. Couple that with the constant effortless cleansing which renders entire mechanics moot (lol Kafka), and HuoHuo has cemented herself as an MVP. So when you present me with a second HuoHuo that I can actually use with my E2 Firefly? Its as if the devs personally crafted Lingsha for me. I need her on my account.
I think one point you missed out on is that Lingsha far surpasses Gallagher in AoE scenarios while still maintaining really good ST toughness damage, especially with Firefly. One of Firefly's main weaknesses is that she can't hit the enemies on the far sides, so Lingsha is able to help in that area while still outputing tons of frequent damage herself.
@@xenoemblem7 it’s really easy to have all enemies fire weak by using Firefly’s technique. Overall, Lingsha has more healing, better AoE, more damage, has follow ups and she’s the only healer that has all of her abilities attack enemies. All of that for just being slightly less sp+. For versatility, she’s on bar with Aventurine because she can act as a substitute for him in fua teams. Edit: I would like to add that she’ll age better than Gallagher for sure.
This is a legitimately helpful video. I was wondering how she is compared to Gallagher. The thing is though, I have at least 2 DPS that want him and I often wish I had 2 Gallaghers (for memory of chaos or pure fiction situations). So having Lingsha AND Gallagher might just fix this problem for me. It will be like when I finally pulled Yelan so I can have decent hydro application on both sides of the abyss.
I'm in the same situation. Gallagher is the only sustain I have that feels like he really contributes to the team beyond healing I have a second version of him that combos with follow-up teams is ideal.
Imo, she should have been physical or imaginary to complement either Boothill or rappa, because firefly already has gallagher that synergises well with her fire weakness implant, I wish gallagher was physical for my boothill
Understandable but fire makes the most sense due to her whole relation with insenses and smoke. Ya know the saying after all, where there's smoke there's fire.
i don’t know if i love lingsha’s kit design. i feel like gallagher had a strong niche and she feels like another example of star rail powercreep . I know gallagher is more sp positive but i feel like her kit overlaps wayy too much with gallagher. down to the ult break vulnerability debuff. doesn’t bode well for the future of sustains
The kit overlap is just dumb and blatant powercreep example........like they could of made her like physical/quantum something to work as a break support for boothill/xuiyie nstead They need to learn to start FILLING more niches instead of replacing niches
I mean, it's obviously a blatant try of powercreep from them but it's a pretty bad one at that, since being more sp positive it's not just some kind of little bonus or benefit, it's a pretty big deal for the team because that are not only skill points for firefly but also for HMC, plus energy for him The damage difference between a HMC with 2 skills in 3 turns with break rope and a HMC with 0 skill in 3 turns with energy rope is MASSIVE, so much bigger than the difference in damage between Gallagher and lingsha That and the vulnerability debuff is, actually, not a vulnerability debuff like jiaoqiu's, is a multiplicative damage bonus for the break formula, what does this mean? Heavy diminishing returns, so the difference in the debuff it's also pretty small There is a reason why some theorycrafters think that Gallagher is not only equal at single target, but better, even without counting his flexibility for acheron/dr. Ratio teams that linghsa doesn't have
while I understand people not liking that she's fire, but I really doubt they did that just to powercreep Gallagher, because if they did, then they kinda failed at it, he's way more sp positive, he fits in a lot of team such as Break, Acheron with his debuffs and Robin with quid pro quo lc, and his free, one could actually argue that his better than Lingsha in Firefly's team f she's E0 since there's no way you'll have enough sp the reason she's fire has more to do with them wanting her to be a firefly option than them wanting to powercreep Gallagher
IDK how you can say Gallagher's healing is better. Half his problem is when the enemy attacks back to back to back you can suddenly lose your units. Lingsha doesn't have that issue, much like Luocha. Now, whether you need that level of healing or not is debateable, so it's not like that wins it for Lingsha. But her sustain ability is certainly over gallagoat.
I never said his healing was stronger than Lingsha's overall, if that's what you mean haha I said his heals are "more potent" (higher scaling overall) than Lingsha's, but that Lingsha has more frequent heals and a get-out-of-jail card with her heals too so really, i actually quite agreed with you in this video LOL
I think gallagher feels pretty good atm for a lot of people despite his healing being unreliable at times because a firefly break team with ruan mei disabling enemies just hides some of his weaknesses.
@@dragonflymarcus Gallagher heals don't scale, they are literally a set amount that with Eidolons scales off Break Effect, while Lingsha on the other hand scales off both Attack AND Break Effect making her reach the same amount of healing, Creator Experience videos making comparisons between the two characters have pointed out that an E0 Lingsha performance is on pair with E6 Gallagher with the same LC, all we can do know is wait for her to officially release and see if that comparison is still valid
@@dragonflymarcusone point that’s missing is that the Besotted debuff for Gallagher is dependent on the enemy speed. Now with faster and faster enemies like Hoolay, it can decrease the total amount of heals that Gallagher’s team gets after his ultimate.
It simply depends on the team. For example, if you have lingsha she can only heal on her turn, fuyuans turn or on ult. The only exception is auto heal which has a 2 turn cooldown. Gallagher however can heal on his turn, his ult and whoever your team attacks an enemy with besotted. In break teams besotted realty should never go away, it makes enemies way too slow. And in teams where other characters have ults that attack, they are able to also heal on their own turn or heal inbetween enemy attacks by cutting the ult in and healing a bunch of hp back. Linghsa may have a better heal, but there's a little bit more opportunity to control when you heal with gallagher making his healing sometimes better and sometimes worse depending on your team (for example robin can struggle with gallagher when she's barely attacking, but pela will rarely die since she's always attacking)
I saw a vid of hypercarry lingsha 0 cycle and i also saw a superbreak team with lingsha/Gallagher/Hmc/RM and it got one or 2 cycle pretty wild for a healer
Maybe at E1 Lingsha, yes… but at E0, E6 Galagher is good enough… Lingsha’s AOE cleanse is maybe her edge, especially if future enemies will give you tons of debuff…
You really expect Hoyo to not introduce back to back enemies with tons of debuff to sell their latest character 😂 It's not an "if", it's a "when", and most likely that "when" is one or two patches after her release
She already 10%-15% better at E0. Don’t know who told you she needs E1 but she’s a 5 star you really think she’d need E1 to compete with a 4 star? Let’s use our brains a little ok?
@@TerraTheWise Yes she need her E1, did u even read the post? he said Gallagher is good enough. If u just have enough resources to pull for E0, u ll rather invest that pulls to a more better unit that ll gave more than "10-15%" increase of performance, or better yet to FF's Eidolon if she s not E2 yet. either go E1 Lingsha or save ur pull for future break supp, and get Lingsha on rerun later. she is NOT priority, especially with Tingyun's rumor is on the air.
@@AhaxD-r7g Yea sorry you’re maybe coping or something but no she doesn’t need E1 at all. E1 Lingsha makes Gallagher look like a minion it’s overkill. E0 is more than enough.
I'd also mention she can be a good option as a backup sustain for feixiao. If I'm using aventurine for ratio or acheron then having a follow up attack user who only has attacks is a nice option to get more ults out.
this isnt really meta but Gallagher has an actual unique personality and Lingsha for some reason is just another coy female hoyoverse character which we have 900 of even tho Hi3 Nuwa who she is based on had tonnes of personality like being an anime fan who decided to write alot of the mythology about her Flamechaser companions after the world ended because she wanted the next civilisation to be able to experience anime (unrelated but considering Lingsha had a master in the alchemy commission who was driven away and since many people believe Fu hua will be Hua Marshal of the Xianzhou i believe the most likely candidates for said master could be Dr.Mobius(who Nuwa and Fuxi were originally assistants to in MOTH before being passed onto Fu Hua) or Fuxi her older sister )
If you already have E6 Gallagher and are F2P or budget. Just stick to him. If you don’t and need a premium healer go for it! She is very strong and I would argue she is noticeably stronger. But you might not need a better sustain right now and might want to prioritize pulling a harmony or even a better DPS if you need elemental coverage.
Im gonna try my luck and pull for Lingsha, and if I don’t get her, I’ll just save up for future characters :33 I love her follow-up heals and that’s just about it lol
I would definitely pull for her if I was rich or can swipe my credit card but I can’t . The jades I have been saving are reserved for E2S1 Acheron. I believe she will get her first rerun in 2.6.
@@lum_berry111 isn't much better than just running 2 nil. There's opportunity cost as well. E2 so you can run 1 harmony + sustain with your Acheron? You might as well gotten an e2 harmony or more units. Can also just run sustainless acorn and just obliterate the enemies.
I want lingsha because: 1: Fu Xuan is my only limited 5* sustain, and while she's great, her Achilles heel is stacking dots/debuffs. So.. having the first character who can frequently full party cleanse basically covers every base for me. 2: Gallagher is more than good enough for my E1 Firefly team but Lingsha is a solid improvement if your Firefly is E1, which mine is. 3: Jingliu is my only adult-size looker, my others (not typical adult size obviously)being Fu Xuan and Sparkle, even though they aren't lolis, they kinda make me feel like a lolicon lol, I need another tall babe to restore my pride =P 4: It will probably never happen, but in the event the game makes content so hard to survive that having 2 sustains is helpful, I imagine Fu Xuan and Lingsha as a pair are probably the best 2 you could possibly have since Fu Xuan can insta protect the entire group a ton alone if not for lack of cleanse, and lingsha can cleanse and heal the chipdamage the team takes (since Fu Xuan kinda turns '1 shot half your party' damage into chip damage) 5: I don't have any dot meta characters, I don't have acheron meta, I don't have FUA meta, and no I don't want to get Robin because honestly I don't really like her, I don't like singing, and I don't like how her ult effectively replaces the game's potentially good music with a track I don't care for. I'm hoping we'll get a high skillpoint use hypercarry character dpser soonish to make use of my Sparkle. Poor girl got shafted in terms of the meta constantly changing AWAY from her even though she's still good in general. HOWEVER, it looks like the next new meta might be pet team meta, and Lingsha is probably going to be the only pet-sustain for a long darn time. 6: I always wished Fuxi and Nuwa were playable in HI3rd...
Honestly, this shoud not be a doubt, she makes her allies hit way more, she has way more consistent dmg and way bigger, she with Firefly are just perfect together.
This basically sums up my thought process - Gallagher is similar enough to Lingsha in the current role of Break sustain/support that it starts the question of pull value. Combine that with numerous other factors in my account (E6 Gallagher, have Firefly, has NO Acheron, F2P Stellar Jade economy, and absolutely zero units that would lean into a future "summon meta"), and I'd much rather instead get other units to round out my account to give more general flexibility in endgame content. I am missing an MoC/AS-ready Ice DPS and any indisputably strong Phys character...
i am going to pull for her and hoping to get her e1, i have 277 pulls and counting for her so far, i have all the mats ready, i will use her with my e1 Firefly, my Harmony Trailblazer (with Ruan Mei's signature LC) and my Hunt March (i need my Ruan Mei on my DoT team), plus Lingsha would make for a good "Shifu" for march due to all the attacks! After her banner i might save up for Echos of the Coffin for her too.
Would be interesting to see Firefly, Gallagher, Lingsha and a new SB support. With firefly's weakness implant we could see mono fire double abundance super break 😂
💡Lingsha's potential for a summon meta is one of the main reasons I'm pulling for her... even if it's a bit begrudgingly. She ain't gonna generate SP like Gallagher or Luocha but unlike them, she has up to 3 synergies: superbreak, follow-up and summon. ⚠ There is one major risk though: investing in the summon meta remains a bet as of right now. We have no idea how well Hoyo will capitalize on it. Last time I checked, the HP decay meta didn't go very far after the Blade+Jingliu team and the HP relic set.
She's not really a second gallagher. She's like a half gallagher. The reason galagher is so strong is him being able to action advance himself while only needing to basic. This is completely absent from lingsha. She only does the breaks. She is only an upgrade strictly in breaking and strictly in fire weakness which he already does. The reason robin is good is because she's just as useful as Ruan mei but in different ways, she gives you better coverage across different team types where Ruan mei doesn't while also helping the same teams but not all of her teams. Lingsha is not comporable here. She doesn't do what gallagher does, she does one of the things he does well. She's okay, but if you are looking for a second gallagher then aventurine is much more comparable. He is skill point positive like gallagher, he provides debuffs like gallagher and attacks often like gallagher. Aventurine and gallagher is Ruan mei and Robin, not lingsha.
As a F2P i'll stick to Gallagher,once i get him ._. im poor on jades...but i just started Honkai x) and im not even near gallagher....for now i only have Natasha
The Only Reason i need to pull Lingsha: She is hot ❤❤ But other than that i have a E2S1 FF, E2S1 Ruan Mei and with E1 Lingsha i get the 80% Def Shred for Firefly. Oh and i have literally 0 limited Sustains and during the Last Months i was flipping Gallagher between Acheron and FF like crazy. Now Gally will be my Joker Sustain for other Teams will Lingsha staying in my FF Team.
I'll have to wait for the 2.6 livestream to decide if im pulling lingsha or not. If Gallagher is on the Rappa banner, I'll skip lingsha, if not, I'll pull for her.
@@WanderingPoro_217 Rappa is a super break character and they tend to rerun character that work well together so you never know. Either way I'd rather wait than regret later.
I have to keep pressing upon this. E1 Lingsha is not out of reach for the F2P player, and this meta discussion of comparing an E6 4* character to an E0 Limited is *Heavily* biased towards 4*s. Yes, it is likely, that, if you pull, on a banner, that has that particular 4* uprated, that you MAY get the E6 on a 4* before you get E1 on a 5*. But the luck players have had with Moze this patch kind of undercuts the assumption that you WILL. I ran into this same issue where people were assuming everyone had Pela at E6 compairing to JQ I had JQ at E2S1, before I had Pela at E6, and JQ is still the better debuffer (But not the better buff remover) because I invested. It really boils down to making an honest question as to your overal build priorities. Here's some better questions: Are you *invested* in Break Teams? (Example, do you have Firefly at E1 or above?) Do you want your Break Teams to last longer in the Meta? If the answer is yes to both of those. Lingsha is the better long term investment than Gallagher. He caps off, where Lingsha *Begins*. If you're just trying to create a quick meta build to hold you over for your favorites, yes, stop with Gallagher. If you, at all, are looking to eventually construct more than one simultanious Break Team, get Lingsha now, hard stop - there are no other compariable healers to Gallagher, and we are likely going to get more Break Supports/Debuffers in the future. Notable differences for someone looking for a summary: Gallagher is the better SP Positive and plays better with teams that can attack frequently. He's better at single targets he can break in a Superbreak Team. Lingsha is the better overall healer/clenser as her heals, debuff removals and secondary attacks are not dependant on Lingsha being enabeled. (She will heal a party with the vapebunnies even if she's anything short of knocked out.) She's better dealing AoE Damage, especially in a break team. Tl;DR: Lingsha is the better overall Break Support, and only gets more superior with more investment. Gallagher capps off just short/sidegrade to Linghsa. And Lingsha is the only other break sustain in the game for those who are trying to build multiple break teams.
Imo if you're going for E1 then it's worth it if you want power, otherwise I simply can't be bothered to level and raise another Gallagher. Little birdies are saying you should really wait for the next units kits after Rappa before deciding to pull Lingsha.
As abundance, E2 Gallagher, cleanse and easily have +100 effect res. Lingsha could cleanse herself because the bunny is not LL… idk, I personally looooove lingsha but why her kit is… ahhh,,, hypothetically speaking if the bunny could detonate dot, she is a must pull for my account ,,, LOL…
fyi 100% effect res is not a debuff immunity since boss/enemies also have effect hit rate on top of base debuff rate... Kafka boss has 120% base debuff chance and guarantees to land if you have less than 38.7% Effect RES, most lv 95 enemies also have 36% effect hit rate...
@@blueraine21Except it DOES mean 100% immunity. The formula is 100% x (1-Effect RES) x (1-Debuff RES), generally. If you have 100% ERES then the formula goes (1-1), which will equate to 0, and since everything in the formula is multiplicative, then anything you multiply to 0 will always be zero, hence immunity. That's why you want 100% Effect RES, unless you wanna gamble those odds, even if it is at 99% Effect Res. Only sure immunity is at 100%.
I’m getting her 100%, she’s very pretty and that’s all I need. Being able to replace Gallagher also so there’s one less man I have to use on my teams is great for me too, as I’m a waifu puller.
nah by the time summon archetype got its characters lingsha gonna have her rerun so imma just wait cuz right now thats a 5 star that is just a slight better than a 4 star.
Also her only way of cleanse is through that bunny right? What's the speed on that thing? i can picture scenarios where you could be CC'd and that thing is far in the action order, hope it's not the case... but in that regard i find Gallagher more reliable.
She has emergency heal with the summon, so it’ll still act if get down to 60% hp. Her summon has 90 speed and she can advance him through her skill and ult. Gallagher can be countered if you face really fast enemies like Hoolay which will have 260 speed i think, because you need to wait for your turn to hit enemies and get healed but again really fast enemies can hard counter him like in high levels of DU he struggles to keep the team alive even in break teams.
It should also be noted that Gallagher can be hard countered by fast enemies capable of quickly shedding the Besotted debuff while Lingsha's healing is much more reliable.
That seems to be a minor concern since break and RM does still prevent them from acting right? But yeah if it's a long fight, Lingsha's probably better
also enemies that apply mass amounts of DoTs on the entire team like the DoT robot boss from Penacony is Gallagher's Achilles heel. He can't keep up with the cleansing because his is single target
I don't know... Preservation units feel way more reliable than Abundance ones, bit as of today FuXuan and Aventurine are more than enough: the first is ideal against non-AoE enemies, while the latter is just ridiculous in any scenario... On the other hand, healers feel way more risky to use
ok ngl i thought she would be only good with super break team comps but also fua as well especially feixiao. My urge to not pull until for adventurine suddenly got lost. maybe if i get lucky i guess
As much as Gallagher is my favorite male character in the game, I unfortunately can't use him in two teams. She's not gonna replace him, she's gonna be my second Gallagher lol
Lingsha damage output is quite abit higher, otherwise really not needed. If you want her get her. If you got Gallagher and dont want her, dont get her. 🎉
From what I know, I'm going to pull for and get Lingsha for the future.😊 I have a fully leveled E6 Gallagher with a Lv. 80 Quid Pro Quo light cones and other Lv. 80 abundance light cones. I remember how many content creators downplayed Robin when she was first released, and look where Robin is now. Even though I had an E1S1 Ruan Mei and an E0S1 Sparkle back then, and partly because Robin has full team 100% action advance, I still pulled for and got Robin and have her now at E1.
tldr: op wants you to wait for lingsha rerun in the future because she doesn't have high pull value currently especially if u already have e6 gallagher. watch hoyoverse to give her a rerun among those new upcoming characters next year when the summon play style is the new meta and you'll get confused who to pull for just as y'all skipped robin on her first banner and you're struggling now whether to pull for feixiao or her 🤩🤩
@@lamontehughes7318 not even just break teams i dont have adventurine so pulling her would be a great addition to my fei team and and wont have to share ghallager anymore
My honest doubt is, she is incredible with firefly right, but with Boothill? Since Boothill does not inflict fire weakness, I want a superbreak DPS, but I dont like Firefly design and abilities
10 mins of discussions and you skipped the main point - hot babe or gallagher... c'mon! but seriously - thanks for pointing out the "future meta" aspect, that's what i was thinking ever since people started comparing the two, and with the new planar set it seems like this is the direction hoyo will move to next.
I will skip her this time, even though i have a E2 FF, i needed Robin since i skipped her original banner and Feixiao also stole my wallet, so yeah. That being said my Gallagher is cracked so i won't miss much in the meantime.
although i want lingsha shes extremely SP hungry sometimes and i cant afford that yet, i would need E1 firefly at least so ill skip but i do however will get aventurine instead
how is she sp hungry when her rotation is skill-basic-basic? if you have high spd you can just ignore using skill altogether and spam basic since her follow up, utlimate and talent will keep your team alive and cleanse..
It's just my opinion but for people who already own a built Gallagher (specially above E2) you could skip her and save your jades for upcoming units. If you don't have any premium sustains yet like Aventurine or HuoHuo then she's probbaly worth it though.
she is very sp positive u know... skill-basic-basic is the rotation but if you have high spd (160+) u can just use basic until the bunny runs out before using skill..
Wait, I'm just finding out about this Is Lingsha's healing NOT based on Break Effect? Is it just attack? If so that's devastating for me because Ive been farming Break parts nonstop, and completely ignoring Attack pieces (Since I wanted her to have HP or Defense)
@@adambryant4149 she needs to use her skill to keep the bunny on the action order you can’t go the whole fight without using her skill but you can do that with Gallagher
@@Nyx309 only once every 3-4 turns depending on how fast you build her. Then RM and HMC only use one SP each once every 3 turns. If you still don't have enough SP for FF, idk what to tell you :/
depends, do you have other 5* sustains? Aventurine? Fu Xuan? in general, all you need is 2 5* limited sustains, or even just 1 5* limited sustain and Gallagher
@@santabakure6264 in your particular situation, probably lingsha has pretty high value, since with her and Gallagher together you don't need any other sustain to keep your teams alive, unless you want to play follow up in which aventurine it's better (he is gonna get a rerun pretty soon) So, if you play firefly, and you already have in mind playing acheron too (she doesn't use lingsha, but takes advantage of Gallagher being freed from firefly) then lingsha can be pretty good for you If you want to play firefly and in the other side feixiao or any traditional hypercarry team, then you are probably better waiting for aventurine rerun
I personally think Gallagher might be better in modes like SU and DU where overheal actually matters (such as when using Abundance Blessings with Dewdrop). Each attack on an enemy with Besotted heals, and often you are gonna heal a TON over your actual health bar because of it, while Lingsha might do so less since her heal is tied to her summon and own actions, requiring SP each turn or waiting for her ult/summon On the other hand, if you have teammates that dont attack enemies often, like Robin, Bronya, or Sparkle, Lingsha is gonna be better as she can actually heal them consistently unlike Gallagher who's forced to use skill
One more important point it's not only that Gallagher is better in other team that need a debuff (acheron/ dr. ratio) but he also it's better in break teams in single target than lingsha for many reasons 1. Sp positivity is actually very important, it allows your harmony MC to skill 3 time on the first cycle instead of just 1, and in the rest of cycles he can still skill 2 times in 3 turns with Gallagher, with linghsa he will have... 0 skill in 3 turns, this forces you to use a energy rope instead of a break rope on HMC, losing the pretty strong E4 HMC break buff 2. HMC personal damage with break rope with 2 skill in 3 turns its bigger than the damage difference between linghsa and Gallagher by a longshot 3. The debuff that linghsa puts on enemies is not a vulnerability debuff, its a multiplicative debuff that takes action on the break formula, so it has harsher diminishing returns than an actual vulnerability debuff, the difference between 10% and 25% ends up being pretty small 4. Even firefly benefits more from Gallagher since quid pro quo can cut in half your firefly downtime if you play it well, which is pretty easy, and this its a pretty big deal unless you can do a zero cycle 5. Linghsa obviously scales better with eidolons, specially her eidolons and the first firefly one, but like, 95% of people can't invest like that without losing out other arquetypes 6. Do you really need extra healing on a team that has high innate effect res and with enemies that literally can't take their turn? And obviously, Gallagher its better as a general option in other teams, even on feixiao ones if you don't have aventurine (quid pro quo for robin), so yeah, linghsa NEEDS that summon meta, it's a shame since a like her a lot, specially her ENG voice acting
@@TerraTheWise well yeah i'm so confident that actually i'm gonna ask you to at least say what of my six points it's wrong, but you can't since it's pretty obvious that you don't follow any theorycrafter, only the echoes in your empty head
Bruhhh I looked at other comments and you straight up laying and attacking everyone that questions if lingsha is worth the 180 pulls lmao Care to share the calcs of that "10%-15% diff" my fellow genius?
@@gazakana I follow TC’s and do my own math as well which why I’m amazed at your comment because you clearly don’t pay any attention or decided to make up nonsense. You basically said a whole lot of nothing that equates to optimization for one unit instead of another. You don’t factor in Lingsha’s superior sustain, how overrated SP positivity actually is, better toughness damage in aoe, how valuable she is with E1 FF which isn’t hard to get, how well she uses QPQ with Robin because of the extra FuA’s.
@@TerraTheWise bruhhh you didnt even read me, like, I actually mention all of what you said, but you didnt liked that I explained why this things are important, you know how many people can get a E1S1 on a character? SP POSITIVE BEING OVERRATED? And what theorycrafters are you talking about, I want names since I want to read the calcs that you mention too, it's pretty obvious that this "10%-15%" is not taking into account HMC performance so i'm gonna use that against you Personally, the TC's that I use for my claims are GTS and guoba on the American side and Lulu on the hispanic side, and pretty much all of the reached the same conclusion even without comunication
The answer is both. FF, Lingsha, Gallagher, and HMC. You actually end up breaking faster with this comp without Ruan Mei. Plus they down have debuffs for more damage.
I don't know if it's better. I'd have to see a showcase of that. Because against future bosses with more than 1 toughness bar the break efficiency buff of Ruan Mei is really good and also the enemy action delay from her ult is amazing.
I'm stuck, I have E2 Firefly and a heavily invested break team at that. My other team is an Acheron team so I can't decide whether to get Lingsha for the FF team and move Gallagher to the Acheron team or get Aventurine for the Acheron team and leave Gallagher on the FF team... Leaning Aventurine at the moment D':
Pull for Aventurine and his LC if you can, proud Aventurine E1S1 here and it's the best investment of sustain you can think of do, Lingsha is just a premium option for break teams, that doesn't really give that much value compared to a E6 Gallagher, he has way more versatility than her in other teams, also let's not forget that a summon meta is just around the corner, Sunday ( that i'm saving the absolute s***t out of myself and f*** any other unity that comes while he doesn't ), Tingyun 5*, Emanator Herta, there's lots of options to consider and some that offers a better investment value than a mere and barely powercreep of a 4* character that already works perfectly fine as a sustain, and as dragon said, we don't know if she's really going to be high value in summon meta, because it's made clear that follow up and summons are different playstiles with different mechanics, so she might have not much big of a use on those
@@freshacado4304 There's a big difference yeah, not only due to the very high base defense in the LC + 40% defense, there's also the debuff the lightcone gives, it's of course a significant improvement, imo better than E1 Aventurine ( E1 just makes him more SP positive ), but is not really necessary, neither signature LC or E1, if you want and can, go get it! If not, there's various F2P options for him, or even standard gacha options like Gepard's LC "Moment of Victory"
@@freshacado4304The main benefit of S1 Aventurine is the consistent debuff application with the FUA. Great for Acheron and Ratio teams. He also gets good defense and some Crit Damage as a nice bonus
The main problem of having a e2s1ff and e1s1rm superbreak is gallagher becomes nothing but a qpq holder and nothing else. He is completely useless tbh. I never needed a sustain on a superbreak team , however that e1 lingsha is very enticing ngl. I like using gallagher on the fua team more, because I dont have zesty ahh aven. The mono fire superbreak is coming I smell it. All they need to do now is give a fire HMC and maybe a better fire RM?
The fire HMC is already coming. Not gonna spoil who it is but they've already been leaked and is coming in the second part of 2.7. As for the fire RM, we'll have to wait and see but I feel like it's just a matter of time
@@nunorodrigues320 I knew it. It's quite obvious if you look at ff's kit properly and how superbreak plays. Let me guess, they will rerun FF when the fire hmc releases arent they? Fucking evil man...
Gallagher's advance forward from his ult is pretty good though. With his basic> ult> enhanced basic he can help FF break bosses thoughness bar on the first cycle and go ham. It's just that I already have a 160 speed Gallagher (With Ruan Mei buff), energy regen rope, enough BE for his BE>Outgoing Healing conversion and 100% effect res. And E6 too. I'm gonna save my jades for now. Maybe in the future on her rerun if he's too outdated I'll pull Lingsha.
The kit overlap between ghallaghwr and lingsha is just cringe.......like they could of made her fill a differnt niche in the "Break sustain", by making her any other element like physical for boothill or quantum for xeuiyi
Doesn't matter, Gallagher or Lingsha won't sustain Firefly in the highest difficulty level of divergent universe like Protocol 8. If your characters don't have a max shield, they will get one-shotted.
a character can literally solo run divergent universe 8 with the right blessings. its not the sustain its how you manage your blessings and equations lol
@@daichi1069 that's the keyword, "with the right blessings", which will depend on RNG and luck. But that doesn't mean the bosses can't 1 shot your characters (especially in the 3rd plane), that ATK multiplier is ridiculous.
@@hikari9262 I mean if you can clear diff 6 you can likely clear 8. Difficulty 7 and 8 do not increase enemy atk higher than what it was at 6. It only inflates their HP.
Is a 5 star break sustain better than a 4 star break sustain 🤔. Yea obviously she is why would they come out with her weaker than an old dog? I can finally bench Gallagher and have a true premium Firefly team.
She is not enough of an upgrade unless you at least have e1 Firefly. Even the. I would rather just pull for e2 Firefly. If you do then she is worth it but even the. Ghallagher has some useful techa that matter like being able to action advance himself to do a ton of pyro toughness damage right before Firefly turn. You can do this vs Aventurine to instantly break him at the start of the battle with Firefly's first move.
@@AzureDrag0n1 Lingsha is better in every way except SP production. Her toughness damage is ST and especially aoe is better, cleanse, heals, damage, she does it all better. That’s more than enough of an upgrade for me.
@@TerraTheWise She is slower. Can she allow Firefly to break Aventurine instantly how Gallagher ult+normal into FF E can? She does not have that instant action advance. Anyway I am not saying she is not an upgrade. Just not worth it if you do not have eidolons on Firefly because those are far more valuable.
Today I feel like being as annoying as some Aventurine meatriders can get. Ahem. Lingsha is the best sustain to pull because she directly enhances Break teams, which is inherently the best playstyle in the game.
Imo gallagher is also good but lingsha heal is more easy to access compare to lingsha which is AOE. I have e6 gallagher and in high endgame, he cannot sustain all of them. I hate the fact his burst require character to attack enemy before receiving hp
@@user-yj5js7ux8jIf you play him on Firefly/HMC/Ruan team try ditching Break Effect Rope and go for Energy Regeneration. Use the same 2 PC planar ornament set they released for FF on him. You'll be able to reach the break effect requirements for him with some break effect sub stats plus the help of the 2pc planar, 4pc BE set, Ruan Mei and HMC E4 plus watchmaker set buff. Trust me it's good. You'll do less damage with him but get his ult more frequently=more heals and therefore more efficient sustain.
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I love Lingsha, but not for the reason youd think.
If you asked me what unit on my account has put in the most work overall, it would actually be HuoHuo of all units. Anything short of a one shot and HuoHuo is never letting my units die. Couple that with the constant effortless cleansing which renders entire mechanics moot (lol Kafka), and HuoHuo has cemented herself as an MVP.
So when you present me with a second HuoHuo that I can actually use with my E2 Firefly? Its as if the devs personally crafted Lingsha for me. I need her on my account.
That and I’ve seen an E0(S1?) Lingsha drop 700k in what was supposedly a Firefly vs Rappa video. So take from that what you will.
@@defge_cd Rappa buffs break damage that a target receives, though. I expect she would do less without Rappa.
Me, who pulled E1 Huohuo as an upgrade to give my Gepard rest after he carried me through the game:
@@alexbancroftand that's probably PF since dmg is kinda bloated in that
I think one point you missed out on is that Lingsha far surpasses Gallagher in AoE scenarios while still maintaining really good ST toughness damage, especially with Firefly. One of Firefly's main weaknesses is that she can't hit the enemies on the far sides, so Lingsha is able to help in that area while still outputing tons of frequent damage herself.
Well tbh, those enemies needs to have Fire weakness 😅 (not undermining uour statement, just want to point that out)
@@xenoemblem7 That's why I said especially for Firefly since she ensures that the enemy will be weak to fire anyway
@@xenoemblem7 it’s really easy to have all enemies fire weak by using Firefly’s technique.
Overall, Lingsha has more healing, better AoE, more damage, has follow ups and she’s the only healer that has all of her abilities attack enemies. All of that for just being slightly less sp+.
For versatility, she’s on bar with Aventurine because she can act as a substitute for him in fua teams.
Edit: I would like to add that she’ll age better than Gallagher for sure.
This is a legitimately helpful video. I was wondering how she is compared to Gallagher. The thing is though, I have at least 2 DPS that want him and I often wish I had 2 Gallaghers (for memory of chaos or pure fiction situations). So having Lingsha AND Gallagher might just fix this problem for me. It will be like when I finally pulled Yelan so I can have decent hydro application on both sides of the abyss.
I'm in the same situation. Gallagher is the only sustain I have that feels like he really contributes to the team beyond healing I have a second version of him that combos with follow-up teams is ideal.
My E6 Gallagher for my Acheron and Lingsha for my Firefly ❤
Literally same situation. Not having two good sustains is terrible, and the other 4 stars sustains don't work with either Acheron nor FF.
Same
I'm planning on the same but the other way around but sadly I'm not guaranteed. I also hope to get Ruan Mei in the future for Firefly
Imo, she should have been physical or imaginary to complement either Boothill or rappa, because firefly already has gallagher that synergises well with her fire weakness implant, I wish gallagher was physical for my boothill
Understandable but fire makes the most sense due to her whole relation with insenses and smoke. Ya know the saying after all, where there's smoke there's fire.
@@Kris_KingLynx whole design scream ice but she’s quantum
@@Kris_King Yunli has so much fire fx even in her art and she's physical.
i don’t know if i love lingsha’s kit design. i feel like gallagher had a strong niche and she feels like another example of star rail powercreep . I know gallagher is more sp positive but i feel like her kit overlaps wayy too much with gallagher. down to the ult break vulnerability debuff. doesn’t bode well for the future of sustains
The kit overlap is just dumb and blatant powercreep example........like they could of made her like physical/quantum something to work as a break support for boothill/xuiyie nstead
They need to learn to start FILLING more niches instead of replacing niches
I mean, it's obviously a blatant try of powercreep from them but it's a pretty bad one at that, since being more sp positive it's not just some kind of little bonus or benefit, it's a pretty big deal for the team because that are not only skill points for firefly but also for HMC, plus energy for him
The damage difference between a HMC with 2 skills in 3 turns with break rope and a HMC with 0 skill in 3 turns with energy rope is MASSIVE, so much bigger than the difference in damage between Gallagher and lingsha
That and the vulnerability debuff is, actually, not a vulnerability debuff like jiaoqiu's, is a multiplicative damage bonus for the break formula, what does this mean? Heavy diminishing returns, so the difference in the debuff it's also pretty small
There is a reason why some theorycrafters think that Gallagher is not only equal at single target, but better, even without counting his flexibility for acheron/dr. Ratio teams that linghsa doesn't have
while I understand people not liking that she's fire, but I really doubt they did that just to powercreep Gallagher, because if they did, then they kinda failed at it, he's way more sp positive, he fits in a lot of team such as Break, Acheron with his debuffs and Robin with quid pro quo lc, and his free, one could actually argue that his better than Lingsha in Firefly's team f she's E0 since there's no way you'll have enough sp
the reason she's fire has more to do with them wanting her to be a firefly option than them wanting to powercreep Gallagher
I mean this was to be expected because Gallagher is a 4 star, and four stars get power crept like how jingyuan power crept serval or
The limited 5 star powercrept the permanent 4 star ? No way !
IDK how you can say Gallagher's healing is better. Half his problem is when the enemy attacks back to back to back you can suddenly lose your units. Lingsha doesn't have that issue, much like Luocha.
Now, whether you need that level of healing or not is debateable, so it's not like that wins it for Lingsha. But her sustain ability is certainly over gallagoat.
I never said his healing was stronger than Lingsha's overall, if that's what you mean haha
I said his heals are "more potent" (higher scaling overall) than Lingsha's, but that Lingsha has more frequent heals and a get-out-of-jail card with her heals too
so really, i actually quite agreed with you in this video LOL
I think gallagher feels pretty good atm for a lot of people despite his healing being unreliable at times because a firefly break team with ruan mei disabling enemies just hides some of his weaknesses.
@@dragonflymarcus Gallagher heals don't scale, they are literally a set amount that with Eidolons scales off Break Effect, while Lingsha on the other hand scales off both Attack AND Break Effect making her reach the same amount of healing, Creator Experience videos making comparisons between the two characters have pointed out that an E0 Lingsha performance is on pair with E6 Gallagher with the same LC, all we can do know is wait for her to officially release and see if that comparison is still valid
@@dragonflymarcusone point that’s missing is that the Besotted debuff for Gallagher is dependent on the enemy speed. Now with faster and faster enemies like Hoolay, it can decrease the total amount of heals that Gallagher’s team gets after his ultimate.
It simply depends on the team.
For example, if you have lingsha she can only heal on her turn, fuyuans turn or on ult. The only exception is auto heal which has a 2 turn cooldown.
Gallagher however can heal on his turn, his ult and whoever your team attacks an enemy with besotted. In break teams besotted realty should never go away, it makes enemies way too slow. And in teams where other characters have ults that attack, they are able to also heal on their own turn or heal inbetween enemy attacks by cutting the ult in and healing a bunch of hp back.
Linghsa may have a better heal, but there's a little bit more opportunity to control when you heal with gallagher making his healing sometimes better and sometimes worse depending on your team (for example robin can struggle with gallagher when she's barely attacking, but pela will rarely die since she's always attacking)
I saw a vid of hypercarry lingsha 0 cycle and i also saw a superbreak team with lingsha/Gallagher/Hmc/RM and it got one or 2 cycle pretty wild for a healer
Maybe at E1 Lingsha, yes… but at E0, E6 Galagher is good enough… Lingsha’s AOE cleanse is maybe her edge, especially if future enemies will give you tons of debuff…
You really expect Hoyo to not introduce back to back enemies with tons of debuff to sell their latest character 😂
It's not an "if", it's a "when", and most likely that "when" is one or two patches after her release
She already 10%-15% better at E0. Don’t know who told you she needs E1 but she’s a 5 star you really think she’d need E1 to compete with a 4 star? Let’s use our brains a little ok?
@@TerraTheWise Yes she need her E1, did u even read the post? he said Gallagher is good enough. If u just have enough resources to pull for E0, u ll rather invest that pulls to a more better unit that ll gave more than "10-15%" increase of performance, or better yet to FF's Eidolon if she s not E2 yet.
either go E1 Lingsha or save ur pull for future break supp, and get Lingsha on rerun later. she is NOT priority, especially with Tingyun's rumor is on the air.
@@AhaxD-r7g Yea sorry you’re maybe coping or something but no she doesn’t need E1 at all. E1 Lingsha makes Gallagher look like a minion it’s overkill. E0 is more than enough.
I'd also mention she can be a good option as a backup sustain for feixiao.
If I'm using aventurine for ratio or acheron then having a follow up attack user who only has attacks is a nice option to get more ults out.
this isnt really meta but Gallagher has an actual unique personality and Lingsha for some reason is just another coy female hoyoverse character which we have 900 of even tho Hi3 Nuwa who she is based on had tonnes of personality like being an anime fan who decided to write alot of the mythology about her Flamechaser companions after the world ended because she wanted the next civilisation to be able to experience anime (unrelated but considering Lingsha had a master in the alchemy commission who was driven away and since many people believe Fu hua will be Hua Marshal of the Xianzhou i believe the most likely candidates for said master could be Dr.Mobius(who Nuwa and Fuxi were originally assistants to in MOTH before being passed onto Fu Hua) or Fuxi her older sister )
If you already have E6 Gallagher and are F2P or budget. Just stick to him. If you don’t and need a premium healer go for it! She is very strong and I would argue she is noticeably stronger. But you might not need a better sustain right now and might want to prioritize pulling a harmony or even a better DPS if you need elemental coverage.
Im gonna try my luck and pull for Lingsha, and if I don’t get her, I’ll just save up for future characters :33 I love her follow-up heals and that’s just about it lol
Summons, follow-up, break, dmg, toughness reduction
I would definitely pull for her if I was rich or can swipe my credit card but I can’t . The jades I have been saving are reserved for E2S1 Acheron. I believe she will get her first rerun in 2.6.
E2 acorn is butt. 2 nihilist is ideal for acron. Plus you can use those harmonies on your other team.
@@jmcMateoif you have e2 acheron you only need 1 other nihility character on that team, which frees up the other slot for a harmony (ideally sparkle)
@@lum_berry111 isn't much better than just running 2 nil. There's opportunity cost as well. E2 so you can run 1 harmony + sustain with your Acheron? You might as well gotten an e2 harmony or more units. Can also just run sustainless acorn and just obliterate the enemies.
I find it hysterical that we can already play Lingsha with events like the Wardsnce
I want lingsha because:
1: Fu Xuan is my only limited 5* sustain, and while she's great, her Achilles heel is stacking dots/debuffs. So.. having the first character who can frequently full party cleanse basically covers every base for me.
2: Gallagher is more than good enough for my E1 Firefly team but Lingsha is a solid improvement if your Firefly is E1, which mine is.
3: Jingliu is my only adult-size looker, my others (not typical adult size obviously)being Fu Xuan and Sparkle, even though they aren't lolis, they kinda make me feel like a lolicon lol, I need another tall babe to restore my pride =P
4: It will probably never happen, but in the event the game makes content so hard to survive that having 2 sustains is helpful, I imagine Fu Xuan and Lingsha as a pair are probably the best 2 you could possibly have since Fu Xuan can insta protect the entire group a ton alone if not for lack of cleanse, and lingsha can cleanse and heal the chipdamage the team takes (since Fu Xuan kinda turns '1 shot half your party' damage into chip damage)
5: I don't have any dot meta characters, I don't have acheron meta, I don't have FUA meta, and no I don't want to get Robin because honestly I don't really like her, I don't like singing, and I don't like how her ult effectively replaces the game's potentially good music with a track I don't care for. I'm hoping we'll get a high skillpoint use hypercarry character dpser soonish to make use of my Sparkle. Poor girl got shafted in terms of the meta constantly changing AWAY from her even though she's still good in general.
HOWEVER, it looks like the next new meta might be pet team meta, and Lingsha is probably going to be the only pet-sustain for a long darn time.
6: I always wished Fuxi and Nuwa were playable in HI3rd...
Honestly, this shoud not be a doubt, she makes her allies hit way more, she has way more consistent dmg and way bigger, she with Firefly are just perfect together.
This basically sums up my thought process - Gallagher is similar enough to Lingsha in the current role of Break sustain/support that it starts the question of pull value. Combine that with numerous other factors in my account (E6 Gallagher, have Firefly, has NO Acheron, F2P Stellar Jade economy, and absolutely zero units that would lean into a future "summon meta"), and I'd much rather instead get other units to round out my account to give more general flexibility in endgame content. I am missing an MoC/AS-ready Ice DPS and any indisputably strong Phys character...
Pull value is a joke since every player have different pull values
i am going to pull for her and hoping to get her e1, i have 277 pulls and counting for her so far, i have all the mats ready, i will use her with my e1 Firefly, my Harmony Trailblazer (with Ruan Mei's signature LC) and my Hunt March (i need my Ruan Mei on my DoT team), plus Lingsha would make for a good "Shifu" for march due to all the attacks! After her banner i might save up for Echos of the Coffin for her too.
Would be interesting to see Firefly, Gallagher, Lingsha and a new SB support. With firefly's weakness implant we could see mono fire double abundance super break 😂
💡Lingsha's potential for a summon meta is one of the main reasons I'm pulling for her... even if it's a bit begrudgingly.
She ain't gonna generate SP like Gallagher or Luocha but unlike them, she has up to 3 synergies: superbreak, follow-up and summon.
⚠ There is one major risk though: investing in the summon meta remains a bet as of right now. We have no idea how well Hoyo will capitalize on it.
Last time I checked, the HP decay meta didn't go very far after the Blade+Jingliu team and the HP relic set.
if Robin taught me somthing ... its this ... "whats better than Ruan mei ?"
the answer is 2 Ruan mei's
"whats better than Gallagher ?" 2 Gallagher's
She's not really a second gallagher. She's like a half gallagher.
The reason galagher is so strong is him being able to action advance himself while only needing to basic. This is completely absent from lingsha. She only does the breaks.
She is only an upgrade strictly in breaking and strictly in fire weakness which he already does.
The reason robin is good is because she's just as useful as Ruan mei but in different ways, she gives you better coverage across different team types where Ruan mei doesn't while also helping the same teams but not all of her teams.
Lingsha is not comporable here. She doesn't do what gallagher does, she does one of the things he does well.
She's okay, but if you are looking for a second gallagher then aventurine is much more comparable. He is skill point positive like gallagher, he provides debuffs like gallagher and attacks often like gallagher.
Aventurine and gallagher is Ruan mei and Robin, not lingsha.
As a F2P i'll stick to Gallagher,once i get him ._. im poor on jades...but i just started Honkai x) and im not even near gallagher....for now i only have Natasha
Get a 5* dps first
The Only Reason i need to pull Lingsha: She is hot ❤❤
But other than that i have a E2S1 FF, E2S1 Ruan Mei and with E1 Lingsha i get the 80% Def Shred for Firefly.
Oh and i have literally 0 limited Sustains and during the Last Months i was flipping Gallagher between Acheron and FF like crazy. Now Gally will be my Joker Sustain for other Teams will Lingsha staying in my FF Team.
I'm early. Gala papa numba 1, I have him e5 🤗
It seems like Lingsha will truly shine in whale comps, once Firefly has her first Eidolon her skill point consumption isn't as high
I will pull for lingsha just to pair her with jade for comfort in a jade comp. Not meta defining but fun to use
I'll have to wait for the 2.6 livestream to decide if im pulling lingsha or not. If Gallagher is on the Rappa banner, I'll skip lingsha, if not, I'll pull for her.
They're not gonna put Gallagher on a banner just one patch after Lingsha's, when people are literally not planning to pull her because of Gallagher
@@WanderingPoro_217 Rappa is a super break character and they tend to rerun character that work well together so you never know. Either way I'd rather wait than regret later.
@@WanderingPoro_217 considering leakers are saying firefly might rerun alongside Rappa, Gallagher should have a very high chance of featuring
just use lingsha as a fire erudition unit w/ three supports. It looks nuts.
I have to keep pressing upon this. E1 Lingsha is not out of reach for the F2P player, and this meta discussion of comparing an E6 4* character to an E0 Limited is *Heavily* biased towards 4*s.
Yes, it is likely, that, if you pull, on a banner, that has that particular 4* uprated, that you MAY get the E6 on a 4* before you get E1 on a 5*. But the luck players have had with Moze this patch kind of undercuts the assumption that you WILL.
I ran into this same issue where people were assuming everyone had Pela at E6 compairing to JQ I had JQ at E2S1, before I had Pela at E6, and JQ is still the better debuffer (But not the better buff remover) because I invested.
It really boils down to making an honest question as to your overal build priorities. Here's some better questions:
Are you *invested* in Break Teams? (Example, do you have Firefly at E1 or above?)
Do you want your Break Teams to last longer in the Meta?
If the answer is yes to both of those. Lingsha is the better long term investment than Gallagher. He caps off, where Lingsha *Begins*.
If you're just trying to create a quick meta build to hold you over for your favorites, yes, stop with Gallagher.
If you, at all, are looking to eventually construct more than one simultanious Break Team, get Lingsha now, hard stop - there are no other compariable healers to Gallagher, and we are likely going to get more Break Supports/Debuffers in the future.
Notable differences for someone looking for a summary:
Gallagher is the better SP Positive and plays better with teams that can attack frequently. He's better at single targets he can break in a Superbreak Team.
Lingsha is the better overall healer/clenser as her heals, debuff removals and secondary attacks are not dependant on Lingsha being enabeled. (She will heal a party with the vapebunnies even if she's anything short of knocked out.) She's better dealing AoE Damage, especially in a break team.
Tl;DR:
Lingsha is the better overall Break Support, and only gets more superior with more investment. Gallagher capps off just short/sidegrade to Linghsa. And Lingsha is the only other break sustain in the game for those who are trying to build multiple break teams.
Imo if you're going for E1 then it's worth it if you want power, otherwise I simply can't be bothered to level and raise another Gallagher.
Little birdies are saying you should really wait for the next units kits after Rappa before deciding to pull Lingsha.
As abundance, E2 Gallagher, cleanse and easily have +100 effect res. Lingsha could cleanse herself because the bunny is not LL… idk, I personally looooove lingsha but why her kit is… ahhh,,, hypothetically speaking if the bunny could detonate dot, she is a must pull for my account ,,, LOL…
fyi 100% effect res is not a debuff immunity since boss/enemies also have effect hit rate on top of base debuff rate... Kafka boss has 120% base debuff chance and guarantees to land if you have less than 38.7% Effect RES, most lv 95 enemies also have 36% effect hit rate...
@@blueraine21Except it DOES mean 100% immunity. The formula is 100% x (1-Effect RES) x (1-Debuff RES), generally. If you have 100% ERES then the formula goes (1-1), which will equate to 0, and since everything in the formula is multiplicative, then anything you multiply to 0 will always be zero, hence immunity. That's why you want 100% Effect RES, unless you wanna gamble those odds, even if it is at 99% Effect Res. Only sure immunity is at 100%.
When I got him I was confused because he was a fire character but now I use his kit now I him at e2 now
I’m getting her 100%, she’s very pretty and that’s all I need. Being able to replace Gallagher also so there’s one less man I have to use on my teams is great for me too, as I’m a waifu puller.
nah by the time summon archetype got its characters lingsha gonna have her rerun so imma just wait cuz right now thats a 5 star that is just a slight better than a 4 star.
The issue with Gallagher is that he requires Eidolens just for him to be abke to support on her level.
I'm going to use both.
Also her only way of cleanse is through that bunny right? What's the speed on that thing? i can picture scenarios where you could be CC'd and that thing is far in the action order, hope it's not the case... but in that regard i find Gallagher more reliable.
She has emergency heal with the summon, so it’ll still act if get down to 60% hp.
Her summon has 90 speed and she can advance him through her skill and ult.
Gallagher can be countered if you face really fast enemies like Hoolay which will have 260 speed i think, because you need to wait for your turn to hit enemies and get healed but again really fast enemies can hard counter him like in high levels of DU he struggles to keep the team alive even in break teams.
It should also be noted that Gallagher can be hard countered by fast enemies capable of quickly shedding the Besotted debuff while Lingsha's healing is much more reliable.
That seems to be a minor concern since break and RM does still prevent them from acting right? But yeah if it's a long fight, Lingsha's probably better
also enemies that apply mass amounts of DoTs on the entire team like the DoT robot boss from Penacony is Gallagher's Achilles heel. He can't keep up with the cleansing because his is single target
I don't know... Preservation units feel way more reliable than Abundance ones, bit as of today FuXuan and Aventurine are more than enough: the first is ideal against non-AoE enemies, while the latter is just ridiculous in any scenario... On the other hand, healers feel way more risky to use
ok ngl i thought she would be only good with super break team comps but also fua as well especially feixiao. My urge to not pull until for adventurine suddenly got lost. maybe if i get lucky i guess
Lingsha is considered a follow up character too...
As much as Gallagher is my favorite male character in the game, I unfortunately can't use him in two teams. She's not gonna replace him, she's gonna be my second Gallagher lol
I was wholeheartedly ready to pull lingsha but then I couldn’t make myself not got e1s1 robin. Guess I’m skipping until Sunday/tingyun
You fools. Scales off of atk. Has auto heals when people get below 60? Shes luocha power creep not ghallager.
Only partially joking
Lingsha damage output is quite abit higher, otherwise really not needed. If you want her get her. If you got Gallagher and dont want her, dont get her. 🎉
You forgot to mention the biggest difference: one is a hot anime gril, the other is a hot alpha male.
I have 2 break teams so both!
From what I know, I'm going to pull for and get Lingsha for the future.😊 I have a fully leveled E6 Gallagher with a Lv. 80 Quid Pro Quo light cones and other Lv. 80 abundance light cones. I remember how many content creators downplayed Robin when she was first released, and look where Robin is now. Even though I had an E1S1 Ruan Mei and an E0S1 Sparkle back then, and partly because Robin has full team 100% action advance, I still pulled for and got Robin and have her now at E1.
tldr: op wants you to wait for lingsha rerun in the future because she doesn't have high pull value currently especially if u already have e6 gallagher. watch hoyoverse to give her a rerun among those new upcoming characters next year when the summon play style is the new meta and you'll get confused who to pull for just as y'all skipped robin on her first banner and you're struggling now whether to pull for feixiao or her 🤩🤩
why choose one if you can have BOTH? then again I don't have guarantee yet so wish me luck
How many break teams do you have? Lol
@@lamontehughes7318 not even just break teams i dont have adventurine so pulling her would be a great addition to my fei team and and wont have to share ghallager anymore
@@lamontehughes7318I think Lingsha also fits nicely with follow up teams.
good luck!!
My honest doubt is, she is incredible with firefly right, but with Boothill? Since Boothill does not inflict fire weakness, I want a superbreak DPS, but I dont like Firefly design and abilities
10 mins of discussions and you skipped the main point - hot babe or gallagher... c'mon!
but seriously - thanks for pointing out the "future meta" aspect, that's what i was thinking ever since people started comparing the two, and with the new planar set it seems like this is the direction hoyo will move to next.
I will skip her this time, even though i have a E2 FF, i needed Robin since i skipped her original banner and Feixiao also stole my wallet, so yeah. That being said my Gallagher is cracked so i won't miss much in the meantime.
I feel like pulling her is good if you have FF e1 and/or you wanna also use her in PF. Other than this I don't see her as a big upgrade to Gallagher.
Stronger because booba.
noted
although i want lingsha shes extremely SP hungry sometimes and i cant afford that yet, i would need E1 firefly at least so ill skip but i do however will get aventurine instead
how is she sp hungry when her rotation is skill-basic-basic? if you have high spd you can just ignore using skill altogether and spam basic since her follow up, utlimate and talent will keep your team alive and cleanse..
It's just my opinion but for people who already own a built Gallagher (specially above E2) you could skip her and save your jades for upcoming units. If you don't have any premium sustains yet like Aventurine or HuoHuo then she's probbaly worth it though.
I love her design and kit, but her sp cost is a big downside in comparison to Gallagher.
There is no nedto skill all the time
@@user-yj5js7ux8j but I wanna
she is very sp positive u know... skill-basic-basic is the rotation but if you have high spd (160+) u can just use basic until the bunny runs out before using skill..
gallaking
Just stick to Gallagher and wait for 5 star tingyun
Hmm I don't have e6 Gallagher still skip lingsha?
@@lightnatsuki7222 yes imo she not worth rn as aventurine Acheron 5 star tingyun Herta Sunday etc are about to get released/rerun soon
I have 10 tickets. Ill try 😂
Maybe i dont understand some mechanics but how does a light cone make him better when she can use the same one?
So in short, if ur poor, stay Gallagher. Gotcha. Thank God I'm not poor lol
You are, I spent all your savings on food.
does lingsha can fully utilize the luocha signature mechanic.
How is he SP friendly when you have to use his skill or ult to heal while she just as to do stuff?
Wait, I'm just finding out about this
Is Lingsha's healing NOT based on Break Effect? Is it just attack?
If so that's devastating for me because Ive been farming Break parts nonstop, and completely ignoring Attack pieces (Since I wanted her to have HP or Defense)
don't worry, her healing scales off of Attack but Break Effect gives her a healing bonus iirc. So you still want like 200% BE on her :D
I started playing this on version 2.5 got feixao on 30 and 70 pulls robin both won 50/50 who should I pull for 2nd team TY
TLDR
Do you have E1 FF? You might want to consider Lingsha
E0 Firefly? Stay with Gallagher
Common misconception. Lingsha is SP positive with E0 Firefly and is still a damage increase.
@@adambryant4149 she needs to use her skill to keep the bunny on the action order you can’t go the whole fight without using her skill but you can do that with Gallagher
@@Nyx309 only once every 3-4 turns depending on how fast you build her. Then RM and HMC only use one SP each once every 3 turns. If you still don't have enough SP for FF, idk what to tell you :/
@@TheJH1015 yeah that depends when you put it that way
If I don’t have any 5* abundance character and have firefly is lingsha good?
depends, do you have other 5* sustains? Aventurine? Fu Xuan? in general, all you need is 2 5* limited sustains, or even just 1 5* limited sustain and Gallagher
@@santabakure6264 in your particular situation, probably lingsha has pretty high value, since with her and Gallagher together you don't need any other sustain to keep your teams alive, unless you want to play follow up in which aventurine it's better (he is gonna get a rerun pretty soon)
So, if you play firefly, and you already have in mind playing acheron too (she doesn't use lingsha, but takes advantage of Gallagher being freed from firefly) then lingsha can be pretty good for you
If you want to play firefly and in the other side feixiao or any traditional hypercarry team, then you are probably better waiting for aventurine rerun
Apologies, but what's the OST at the end?
it’s the OST for the Acheron and Black Swan animation :):) “Rondo Across Countless Kalpas”
@@dragonflymarcus I apologize again for not being clear. I meant the one at the end, here 8:03
I personally think Gallagher might be better in modes like SU and DU where overheal actually matters (such as when using Abundance Blessings with Dewdrop). Each attack on an enemy with Besotted heals, and often you are gonna heal a TON over your actual health bar because of it, while Lingsha might do so less since her heal is tied to her summon and own actions, requiring SP each turn or waiting for her ult/summon
On the other hand, if you have teammates that dont attack enemies often, like Robin, Bronya, or Sparkle, Lingsha is gonna be better as she can actually heal them consistently unlike Gallagher who's forced to use skill
SP each turn? Why?
One more important point it's not only that Gallagher is better in other team that need a debuff (acheron/ dr. ratio) but he also it's better in break teams in single target than lingsha for many reasons
1. Sp positivity is actually very important, it allows your harmony MC to skill 3 time on the first cycle instead of just 1, and in the rest of cycles he can still skill 2 times in 3 turns with Gallagher, with linghsa he will have... 0 skill in 3 turns, this forces you to use a energy rope instead of a break rope on HMC, losing the pretty strong E4 HMC break buff
2. HMC personal damage with break rope with 2 skill in 3 turns its bigger than the damage difference between linghsa and Gallagher by a longshot
3. The debuff that linghsa puts on enemies is not a vulnerability debuff, its a multiplicative debuff that takes action on the break formula, so it has harsher diminishing returns than an actual vulnerability debuff, the difference between 10% and 25% ends up being pretty small
4. Even firefly benefits more from Gallagher since quid pro quo can cut in half your firefly downtime if you play it well, which is pretty easy, and this its a pretty big deal unless you can do a zero cycle
5. Linghsa obviously scales better with eidolons, specially her eidolons and the first firefly one, but like, 95% of people can't invest like that without losing out other arquetypes
6. Do you really need extra healing on a team that has high innate effect res and with enemies that literally can't take their turn?
And obviously, Gallagher its better as a general option in other teams, even on feixiao ones if you don't have aventurine (quid pro quo for robin), so yeah, linghsa NEEDS that summon meta, it's a shame since a like her a lot, specially her ENG voice acting
I’ve never seen someone be so confidently wrong about every point they make. It’s impressive 😂
@@TerraTheWise well yeah i'm so confident that actually i'm gonna ask you to at least say what of my six points it's wrong, but you can't since it's pretty obvious that you don't follow any theorycrafter, only the echoes in your empty head
Bruhhh I looked at other comments and you straight up laying and attacking everyone that questions if lingsha is worth the 180 pulls lmao
Care to share the calcs of that "10%-15% diff" my fellow genius?
@@gazakana I follow TC’s and do my own math as well which why I’m amazed at your comment because you clearly don’t pay any attention or decided to make up nonsense. You basically said a whole lot of nothing that equates to optimization for one unit instead of another. You don’t factor in Lingsha’s superior sustain, how overrated SP positivity actually is, better toughness damage in aoe, how valuable she is with E1 FF which isn’t hard to get, how well she uses QPQ with Robin because of the extra FuA’s.
@@TerraTheWise bruhhh you didnt even read me, like, I actually mention all of what you said, but you didnt liked that I explained why this things are important, you know how many people can get a E1S1 on a character? SP POSITIVE BEING OVERRATED?
And what theorycrafters are you talking about, I want names since I want to read the calcs that you mention too, it's pretty obvious that this "10%-15%" is not taking into account HMC performance so i'm gonna use that against you
Personally, the TC's that I use for my claims are GTS and guoba on the American side and Lulu on the hispanic side, and pretty much all of the reached the same conclusion even without comunication
Wasn’t Lingsha going to be given for free?
i wiiiiish 😔
That has to be one the biggest case of cope I have ever seen 😅
Gallagher is just too strong
But Lingsha is quite fine
Nope. Lingsha better
The answer is both. FF, Lingsha, Gallagher, and HMC. You actually end up breaking faster with this comp without Ruan Mei. Plus they down have debuffs for more damage.
I don't know if it's better. I'd have to see a showcase of that. Because against future bosses with more than 1 toughness bar the break efficiency buff of Ruan Mei is really good and also the enemy action delay from her ult is amazing.
I'm stuck, I have E2 Firefly and a heavily invested break team at that. My other team is an Acheron team so I can't decide whether to get Lingsha for the FF team and move Gallagher to the Acheron team or get Aventurine for the Acheron team and leave Gallagher on the FF team... Leaning Aventurine at the moment D':
Pull for Aventurine and his LC if you can, proud Aventurine E1S1 here and it's the best investment of sustain you can think of do, Lingsha is just a premium option for break teams, that doesn't really give that much value compared to a E6 Gallagher, he has way more versatility than her in other teams, also let's not forget that a summon meta is just around the corner, Sunday ( that i'm saving the absolute s***t out of myself and f*** any other unity that comes while he doesn't ), Tingyun 5*, Emanator Herta, there's lots of options to consider and some that offers a better investment value than a mere and barely powercreep of a 4* character that already works perfectly fine as a sustain, and as dragon said, we don't know if she's really going to be high value in summon meta, because it's made clear that follow up and summons are different playstiles with different mechanics, so she might have not much big of a use on those
@@axelleenan3801 I think you be right!
@@axelleenan3801how good is adventurine E0S0 compared to E0S1?
@@freshacado4304 There's a big difference yeah, not only due to the very high base defense in the LC + 40% defense, there's also the debuff the lightcone gives, it's of course a significant improvement, imo better than E1 Aventurine ( E1 just makes him more SP positive ), but is not really necessary, neither signature LC or E1, if you want and can, go get it! If not, there's various F2P options for him, or even standard gacha options like Gepard's LC "Moment of Victory"
@@freshacado4304The main benefit of S1 Aventurine is the consistent debuff application with the FUA. Great for Acheron and Ratio teams. He also gets good defense and some Crit Damage as a nice bonus
The main problem of having a e2s1ff and e1s1rm superbreak is gallagher becomes nothing but a qpq holder and nothing else. He is completely useless tbh. I never needed a sustain on a superbreak team , however that e1 lingsha is very enticing ngl. I like using gallagher on the fua team more, because I dont have zesty ahh aven.
The mono fire superbreak is coming I smell it. All they need to do now is give a fire HMC and maybe a better fire RM?
The fire HMC is already coming. Not gonna spoil who it is but they've already been leaked and is coming in the second part of 2.7. As for the fire RM, we'll have to wait and see but I feel like it's just a matter of time
@@nunorodrigues320 I knew it. It's quite obvious if you look at ff's kit properly and how superbreak plays.
Let me guess, they will rerun FF when the fire hmc releases arent they? Fucking evil man...
Gallagher's advance forward from his ult is pretty good though. With his basic> ult> enhanced basic he can help FF break bosses thoughness bar on the first cycle and go ham. It's just that I already have a 160 speed Gallagher (With Ruan Mei buff), energy regen rope, enough BE for his BE>Outgoing Healing conversion and 100% effect res. And E6 too. I'm gonna save my jades for now. Maybe in the future on her rerun if he's too outdated I'll pull Lingsha.
I hate her ult voice line so automatic skip
The real reason Lingsha is better than Gallagher?
She's hot.
My man🤝
The kit overlap between ghallaghwr and lingsha is just cringe.......like they could of made her fill a differnt niche in the "Break sustain", by making her any other element like physical for boothill or quantum for xeuiyi
Doesn't matter, Gallagher or Lingsha won't sustain Firefly in the highest difficulty level of divergent universe like Protocol 8.
If your characters don't have a max shield, they will get one-shotted.
a character can literally solo run divergent universe 8 with the right blessings. its not the sustain its how you manage your blessings and equations lol
@@daichi1069 that's the keyword, "with the right blessings", which will depend on RNG and luck.
But that doesn't mean the bosses can't 1 shot your characters (especially in the 3rd plane), that ATK multiplier is ridiculous.
@@hikari9262 I mean if you can clear diff 6 you can likely clear 8. Difficulty 7 and 8 do not increase enemy atk higher than what it was at 6. It only inflates their HP.
Is a 5 star break sustain better than a 4 star break sustain 🤔. Yea obviously she is why would they come out with her weaker than an old dog? I can finally bench Gallagher and have a true premium Firefly team.
She is not enough of an upgrade unless you at least have e1 Firefly. Even the. I would rather just pull for e2 Firefly. If you do then she is worth it but even the. Ghallagher has some useful techa that matter like being able to action advance himself to do a ton of pyro toughness damage right before Firefly turn. You can do this vs Aventurine to instantly break him at the start of the battle with Firefly's first move.
@@AzureDrag0n1 Lingsha is better in every way except SP production. Her toughness damage is ST and especially aoe is better, cleanse, heals, damage, she does it all better. That’s more than enough of an upgrade for me.
@@TerraTheWise She is slower. Can she allow Firefly to break Aventurine instantly how Gallagher ult+normal into FF E can? She does not have that instant action advance. Anyway I am not saying she is not an upgrade. Just not worth it if you do not have eidolons on Firefly because those are far more valuable.
@@AzureDrag0n1She has E - Fu Yuan FUA - ult - Fu Yuan FUA. Are you SURE that's not faster?
Today I feel like being as annoying as some Aventurine meatriders can get. Ahem. Lingsha is the best sustain to pull because she directly enhances Break teams, which is inherently the best playstyle in the game.
Imo gallagher is also good but lingsha heal is more easy to access compare to lingsha which is AOE. I have e6 gallagher and in high endgame, he cannot sustain all of them. I hate the fact his burst require character to attack enemy before receiving hp
@@user-yj5js7ux8jIf you play him on Firefly/HMC/Ruan team try ditching Break Effect Rope and go for Energy Regeneration. Use the same 2 PC planar ornament set they released for FF on him. You'll be able to reach the break effect requirements for him with some break effect sub stats plus the help of the 2pc planar, 4pc BE set, Ruan Mei and HMC E4 plus watchmaker set buff. Trust me it's good. You'll do less damage with him but get his ult more frequently=more heals and therefore more efficient sustain.
I grab her for second sustain so i can have 2 sustains. for 2 teams