One Take: Marseille
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that ship really shines in clan battles, brawls, and ranked, the HE performance with the French maneuverability excels in making the opponents very tilted with your existence and helps draw fire away from your destroyers and the AP slaps when you get in close. play it like a more tanky Henri and watch the reds rage at you.
Still cant decide should go for Henry into Conde or Marseille. Any help would be appreciated.
If you play competitively, go Marsaille. If you want a broken ship, go Condé.
@@Dimchastichni Henry can be turned into a different type of build with its leg mod. Going full lighthouse build makes it an he monster meanwhile Marseille excellent in quick moving bunker.
Before overmatch Zoa armor was super troll against BBs. Salvo after salvo of overpens, shatters, and bounces. Meanwhile the Zoa started 20 fires and farmed you out.
Yamato is there from the start no?
@@hai6978 Only Yamato though. Montana, GK, and Conqueror didn't overmatch Zao. Only after Repub was introduced was there another accurate, overmatch BB.
VS nowadays nearly every new BB is an overmatch ship. Preusen, Vincent, and of course the T12's.
@@hai6978 It was, and used to be about all a heavy cruiser needed to worry about. Now the game is very saturated with high caliber BBs.
I actually really like the marseille. You were really unlucky against the zao. I noticed that you used less HE than I did. French HE is really good and a fire here and there really can turn the tables in a fight
Yeah, french HE is really good. I use it alot with my Bourgogne on DDs and angled BBs. Expert loader and reload boost lets you catch so many guys with their pants down.
Not that I like Marseille, it is by far my favourite (super) heavy cruiser - at the moment. I had so many times more than 250k damage You can obliterate broadsided BB veryyyyy fast - that fastload consumable in combination with 330mm guns is amazing. It has almost ALL I needed while grinding Brest - large HP pool, guns are veryyy accurate, even on long ranges. But I use HE very rare (only for DDs), so tanx for opening my eyes and I will mention one thing that makes me crazy - ship (cruiser or BB) is fully angled (90degrees) so I switch to HE, then like he knew what I did turns his ship broadside - and I go nuts, while watching my HE shells dealing 3-8k damage and starting 1 fire and it could be dev strike if I had AP loaded.
Hey PQ, I've been watching your one takes for a long time, really love how you coment and explain the ingame and builds, I myself used many of your advices and learned a loot !. Im actually on the opposite team on the second match of this one, I cant believe I got the chance to fight you !, keep up the good work, cheers from Argentina !
"unreliable" yep, that is this ship.
Its like having Richelieu guns. One or two shots might look ok.. then out of nowhere, a shotgun shot that makes zero sense unless the guns and the fire director was destroyed.
27:05 it's really difficult to citadel a Napoli at close range with any ship
If I remember, it has lots of hidden plates and bullshit classic Petro armor, right?
I could not even fully pen with a Yamato.
Pretty sure it has a 30mm turtle back so unless you have Republique guns or larger or improved pen angles, it’s not gonna happen at close range
@@R-2500 Yamato guns reliable bounce on Napoli's.
@@CesarinPillinGaming yes because it has lots of hull plates of more than 32mm armor, I’m talking about a broadside shot where angle won’t matter
@@R-2500 Gotcha, btw, it does have a hidden empty spaces as well right? I remember reading it.
Agreed zao is the tankiest cruiser XD , tho I still winced real hard as I saw him broadside
I agree with you! The ship is inconsistent. It can farm you 200k damages easily sometimes. And sometimes it's just geeting overmatched by anything or farmed by a CV.
I think the reason you struggle because of your captain build
Use Henri-Honore give you AR buff & Grease the Gear buff or at least Aboyneau for more fire chances per cap
Super Heavy AP is not necessary cause the way Marseilles have advantage over Henri is that their concealment , you take advantage of your conceal and instant light fires . You should take Top Grade Gunner for a long period of combat
Also can't blame all, RNG really messed you up.
I have been watching you for so long , but i wonder if you ever read one of my comment though :(
It's a good ship, just outfit it for maneuverability and damage and you'll be fine in the open water. I also enjoy the Spanish cruisers, especially tiers 7-10 with the burst fire gimmick
I personally love Marseille, have so much fun with it!
The One Take video's are awesome. They have definitely helped me understand the ships I have. If able, can you do a One Take on the Yamagiri? I'm looking at doing a super ship buy and I'm looking at the Dalarna and the Yamagiri. Thank you in advance!
when he finish the Tier X one Take. After the tech tree he is going for the Steel X and Research Bureau X, maybe then Superships will have a chances
I really like this ship in fact. So much that I bought steel camo for it (as well as on Vincent). It feels strong imho. But yeah, having such teams even the most OP ship can’t do much.
Marsie is my favorite ship. But a point is it plays like a bb. Putting her in the middle gets some great shots as the enemy positions and repositions
It is an absolute beast with the latest patch, commander re work secondaries 12.5 and plenty of them.
Love the Marseille, my highest in it is about 215K. Mind you, I was very lucky to get it since I am a average player.
I think you are in the minority of players who thinks the ship is not good... I have the t8 one and I am delighted. AP is very strong. But I understand your frustration.
That thing is pretty insane in t8 only games like ranked
I am grinding through the Tier 8 one too it is fun but when you get to Tier X it is a big tough
I very much think you are in the minority for liking the tier 8. The tier 8 is a weak ship and the 9 and 10 are much stronger.
For me, the guns arent consistant enough
Don't know dude, think it's play style. I'm not a Mars fan either, but it's win rates and dmg among the T10 Heavies is second only to Stalingrad. These are just so different than the Brit BC, which I absolutely love. I just got learn to play them.
it really does suck when you are shooting at ships broadsides and they are shooting into your angled bow, and you lose. you get 2-3 shells to hit their big target, and they get 6-8 that hit your tiny little bow. i will say it till the day i die, that RNG spins a wheel at the start of the match to see if your team is going to get big hits or take big hits.
Awesome stuff PQ
Marseille. . . Got the Alaska at Tier IX with 305s, why bother? Sold the Cherbourg, might try it again. Usually I find when I sell a ship the problem was me, not the ship. These slab-sided cruisers are going to be a challenge.
7:30 every day to everyone else...
Man becomes so depressed when gets an average RNG game lol
This thing has *24* 5.5-inchers?? Would it be worth it to do some sort of Secondary enhancement build?
Only played this ship on the PTS but yeah, I always spec for secondaries - just hilarious when DD's come under fire at 9+ km....and they're pretty good fire-starters.:)
new channel. new replays.
I prefere Brest with the 2x4 turrets. Marseille's 3x3 turrets make you expose flank too much.
I also think that 2x4 is better than 3x3, obviously its draw back is getting perma turret sniped by a petro or something similar but you are so much more flexible with the 2x4 than with the 3x3
If it weren’t for overpens I’d have no pens ay’tall.
(I am positive there is a hit Country single in there somewhere.)
I like PQ calm explanation and some of his light laughing moments in this game. Contrary to a certain streamer that's been getting more and more toxic and like to trash the player base but himself.
haha the zao. literally made out of citadels but not today. that is annoying af.
I still like the zao. didn't they nerf the leg mod? i think so. before the nerf it was so maneuverable you could dodge like a dd. plus, your stealth gives you sneaky flanking broadsides, leading to devstrikes on cruisers or 15k salvos on bb's. the guns are accurate and ap smacks, especially at detection range (9.9km I think) up to 12km. I remember back in the day sneaking up on a worchester to detection range and hitting 9/12 shells 8 of which were citadels. I think that may have been my best salvo ever. obviously, HE smacks as well. I remember hitting a khaba for something crazy like 14-15k at close range.
but, the zao is not immune from the ijn cruiser torpedo trap. the overwhelming urge to show flat broadside because "if cruiser have torps must use torps." you hope that you learn this trap during the mid tier grind: furataka, myoko, and especially mogami when you start facing montanas and yammys. But your reptilian brain will constantly scream at you to use torps use torps use torps. get devstruck 100 to 0 by a yammy 25km away that I never saw.
i know... cool story, bro.
Not that I like Marseille, it is by far my favourite (super) heavy cruiser - at the moment. I had so many times more than 250k damage You can obliterate broadsided BB veryyyyy fast - that fastload consumable in combination with 330mm guns is amazing. I think its currently best techtree grinding , guns are veryyy accurate, even on long ranges.
PS never target BACK SECTION of Zao - unlike other ships, almost all Japanese ships are much more voulnearable in the front section and/or in the mid one. Not to mention I noticed this weekend Zao is almost like it was once when it was the best cruiser... If you sail it on full speed in combination with minimap planning + long range torpedo blocking tactics - it is very lethal.
Napoli has 30mm turtleback, so no cits for puny marseille guns
i personally think the Marseilles is very strong.
I personally would drop Survivability expert and one of your one point skills and take top grade gunner. Incoming fire alert is mostly redundant, if you are spotted assume you are being shot at, as is Grease The Gears as all the turrets face forward and take no time at all to switch sides, and the 4500 extra HP from SE is just not worth the points. That is on average 1 extra AP pen. It's rare you are ever going to hit the point where that matters. Meanwhile it is conceivable that you will have reds inside of 11km of you, and that 8% faster reload is really nice. Or if you play it super flanky Outnumbered would also be better.
I also question Focus Fire Training, like Consumables Enhancements is right there, 10% longer Engine Boost and Hydro. Lot more useful than minor improvements to your AA.
Last Stand, Consumables Specialist, Consumables Enhancements, AR, Heavy AP, Superintendent, Conceal, and ether Top Grade Gunner or Outnumbered, is in my opinion the best commander build for the French BCs, and honestly works for any BC.
I will note Outnumbered is fairly hard to use just due to the gun range. So it's not my preferred choice by any means. Honestly that skill is just kind of bad because of it's activation requirements, but it's still better than a small boost to HP and a skill that tells you someone has shot at you.
The real annoying thing about the French BCs and really every BC other than Stalin, is that Petro does your job better than you. Petro's AP pens better than Marseille, as in Petro has better pen than NC. Let that sink in for a moment. Petro's 220mm guns pen better than Marseille's 330mm guns. Petro's 220mm guns that reload twice as fast and only deal around 3k less damage pen better than Marseille's 330mm guns. Kind of hate how Wargaming took the French AP gimmick and gave it to the Russians but better.
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Lets be honest though your shots on Zao weren't the greatest your going to over pen bow and stern a lot more often.
Citadel's are fucking broken at the moment, something is happening with the armour calculations.
That Zao experience really gets old when it becomes obvious certain ships are being given preferential RNG.
Had that happen most obviously when I'm playing CV against certain DDs. It's like the game decrees that no bombs are allowed to hit the enemy ship.
Without independent confirmation that WG's dispersion is ACTUALLY random...I've seen enough to be cynical about WG giving RNG advantages to accounts to incentivize continued play.
You know it didn't went that well before watching the video if the title only says "One Take: [Ship Name]"
So it burns like a BB and has a reload like Republique or Thunderer? And shit armor and small guns, and it even has shit sigma. Someone please explain to me what its strong points are.
small guns? it's slotted as a cruiser for a reason because it's not played like a BB and among cruisers those guns are defenetly not small. Armor is not terrible either, you just need to angle when it's not HE. It's not a meta defining ship but it's a lot of fun with it's speed, good fire chance on HE and AP that slaps anything broadside as long as it has a citadel. I've destroyed broadside battleships with the Marseille. Loads of fun. Seen a lot of good reviews on it as well so you really shouldn't count it out, even if it turns out not to be to your taste.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 Thx. When I said 'small' I meant compared to BB's, which seemed like a fair comparison because it reloads like one and burns like one. But I will try out this line, got the Jinan yesterday so I guess it's time for a new line. ;)
@@AllAhabNoMoby yeah the slow reload may seem like a terrible thing but it's not a big problem when flanking and the reload booster helps you destroy broadside targets with ease. Once landed like 5 citadel hits on a BB, it was glorious.
That Commander Build for Marseille is not recommended without Top-Grade Gunner and other one. Also should abandon Concealment Expert
people like that immelmann player are more stressful and more frustrating than such matches...
Ah a tec line I quite cuz of breast
Plays like a brawler, but without tankiness. Ugghh
Very nice, the question is, why use a Marseille when you can use a Petropavlovsk and get better pen, better dispersion, better armour, faster RoF and radar?
Marseille has nearly 20k more health, 330mm guns (vs 220mm), good HE, reload booster, and excellent speed and maneuverability (with engine boost). Marseille is more of a flanking ship while Petro tends park next to an island and use its icebreaker, good AP, and long range radar. Both great ships, but a bit different playstyle.
yet they're still planning to nerf cherberg... I think this line is a bit too overrated while the golden leuwu is a bit underrated. again Alaska is still the pinnacle of super crusiers
Gouden lew imo is the most underrated heavy cruiser in the game i agree. This ship is so good with the fast heals, good concel etc idk why people are shitting on this ship for no reason lol
@@mehdi.9307 It's just dim compared to T9 Alaska or Agir or T10 Stalingrad, otherwise still a good ship
@@mehdi.9307 the main issue is that unlike German CAs your 25mm internal turtleback is overmatchable for most t10 BBs, also the 30mm deck isn't enough anymore due to HE spam and overmatch inflation (Moskva/Stalin has 50mm deck). the gun ballistics aren't as good as the Slavic railguns either
You definitely want ot be using marseille's HE more than you were. Rather than defaulting to AP and switching to HE i'd reverse that, default to HE and then only use AP on shots you know will punish the enemy
The Honore Captains should help alot with the reload. However, id rather use them on Mogador, Kleber or Conde. The DDs, JB, Bourgogne and Conde is where the french really shine. This superheavy cruiser line is just meh.
I had painful experience with T9 and now thinking should I waste my resources for this. I don't see it's utility when you have many other ships which can take its role.
If you want a strong AP cruiser then you have Hindenburg, Moskva for long range and Des moins for medium and short range
For HE we have zao, yoshino, Hindenburg at long range and American cruisers for short range..
Then we have premium like Stalingrad which can take this role much better.
And if you really want French then why not Henri
I like Henri better 👍
@@scotth1946 yes... I like it too... It can be fun if you make a light house build and there are no subs
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the video is great，but I just feel like Wows is so boring right now，thanks to cv and sub，most of the potatos just sit outside 20km and miss their shots，I just can get any fun playing Wows
"Bananastorm" (yeah, I know) should learn to shut up in chat...
RNG screwed you over in your first game, i quite like the ship for speedy flanks and AP-spanks. You sound a little bit down, are you ok m'dude?
Go watch PQ's Sun Yat Sen video for your answer
imagine this thing with SAP
1st! if it only mattered... :D