Hi there, was just doing a search for this issue as I have exaxt same noise on my fairly new FP60X. I really love the piano bit noise is getting me down. Roland have asked me to send a video of 'the phenomenon'. Very strange choice of words, kind of implies that I may be imagining it!
@@davidleigh3346 LOL. They have been pretending that there has been no issue with the clicking noise for quite a long time. I had a few Roland digital pianos, including FP-10, FP-30X, FP-10 ARC, RD-08 and A88 mkII MIDI controller - all of them developed some level of this noise in 2-3 months of intensive use.
I bought my first FP-10 in Oct 2021. I had FP-30X and A-88 mkII as well. This test was done of a rental. I very recently bought FO-10-ACR as my MIDI controller. It seems to be better.
Very interesting Michael. I watched the other video testing the P125 as well. The FP-10 makes quite a bit of noise when the key returns, I was wondering if this model has some type of felt on the keys (from the video, it doesn't seem to have any). The P-125 has a red felt, which seems to help control the noise.
It indeed does not have any felt. I noticed this sound when playing J.S. Prelude No.1 in C BWV 846 and then I investigated further what triggers it. This sound only happens if the key is released in a specific way. I had three different pianos with PHA-4 action in between Oct 2020 and Sep 2021 and I returned them all because clicking noises. I wanted to find out if I could still be able to hear the problem. It took me less than 2h to succeed.
The Kawai ES110 also has some type of felt over the keys yet the keys still make a thumping sound when released. Also I rewatched Stu's comparison between the Yamaha P125 and Kawai ES110, and I'd really like to know if they were recorded threw lineouts or not because I could hear the P125's damper pedal clumping on the floor. Would also like to know if the ES110 was up against a wall because the ES110 (in the review) was able to sound louder than the P125🎹🎶
Hallo...Ich habe mir ein FP E50 "versucht" zuzulegen. Es besitzt die PHA-4 Tastatur. Ein super Gerät was die Kreativität des Musikspielens betrifft. Aber eine (bei mir) unbrauchbare Tastatur. Währen einige Tasten "normal" funktionieren, haben andere Tasten ein extremes Klappergeräusch das parallel zum erzeugten Klavierton hörbar ist und zwar deutlich. Das klingt als würde man mit einem leichten Hammer auf ein Holzstück schlagen. Dieses Geräusch erklingt etwa 0,5 Sekunden nach dem Klavierton. ....also wie ein Echo zum gewollten Klavierton. Unmöglich! Das betrifft mehr oder weniger - also unterschiedlich laut - alle oberen Tasten und einige Tasten auch im tiefen Bereich, wenn auch weniger aufdringlich. Und ich schreibe es noch einmal: Andere Tasten sind voll i.O. und zu akzeptieren - also ein klarer Fertigungsfehler. Ich besitze auch ein Roland RD700: da gibt es diese Problem nicht.
Was about to purchase a used FP-10, but upon testing, I noticed this weird noise when releasing the keys. Seems like it's a common issue on Roland's digital pianos, huh? Since you have a lot of experience with these, would you say the noise is bearable? Though I mean, if it isn't, I don't really know what other good options are available at the price range of the FP-10
@@a_soulspark It is indeed a common problem. I was told a few times that the newer digital pianos with PHA-4 action are better in this respect but the last Roland digital stage piano (RD-08) still had this problem (perhaps a bit less). I think that Yamaha P-225 could be a good alternative in this practice range even though that GHC piano action has a shorter pivot length than PHA-4. Otherwise, P-255 has all the features needed and nice sound. If you can get P-125A (it has GHS action), it may be even better because of slightly longer pivot length of the action. P-125 does not have a Digital Audio Interface. GHC action is very quiet. Good luck, Michael Michael
Hey. I want to make a small reminder that in the FP-30X there is a felt near the end of the keys (just like the red one in Yamaha one) which seems to be lacking in the FP-10. Thus, PHA-4 on the FP-30X can be a bit quieter than on the FP-10, which still isn't loud (electronic drums are much worse in that departament :D)
Good point but I actually tested the noise in the past on FP-30X and A-88 mkII MIDI controllers. They were both returned because they were also noisy. Ironically, I bought FP10-ACR recently and I am using it as a MIDI controller (with headphones connected to my Focusrite Scarlett
It is the sound. The action feels OK and I actually prefer it to Roland PHA50 action (PHA50 is much quieter though). PHA-4 develops this upstroke noise after some time of playing. I have a recording of Shenandoah in which you can hear some of the noise during my playing. I play on RD-08 which has actually relatively quit PHA-4 action.
This is really loud, and it's bad to hear it gets worse with time, it has put me right off. Have you tested the Casio scaled hammer action II? Such as in the S series range. Thank you
@@mfurman Thanks, they are a bit above my budget as I want a beginner one for now. Now it's between the Casio s160 (same as s150 I believe) and the Korg B2.
How close is the rebound/key-return noise of this PHA4 action to the Yamaha GHC action of the p225? I saw on your other noise test of the Yamaha that there's also quite a rebound noise present. I have the same issue with my Roland FP30x. I have been thinking of replacing it with the Yamaha p225 to avoid that noise issue but I'm hesitant since the two may be equal in volume of the noise. Curious to hear your thoughts, thanks!
If you want to avoid the rebound clicking noise you should definitely choose GHC action of P-225. I had five digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, FP-30X, A88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-10 ACR and RD-08). The first four developed the clicking noise. RD-08 seems to be much better (Roland changed the greasing method recently). I like some aspects of PHA-4 - it is relatively close to the feel of acoustic piano action I often practice on. Yamaha GHC action is a bit too difficult to play closer to the fulcrum for me.
@@mfurman thanks! I'll definitely look into the Yamaha. I just hope it's got similar durability to the pha4 which supposedly is still durable despite the annoying clicking noise
@@m3rc743 Both actions have their positive and negative aspects. I liked P-225 very much and if I had not been also practicing on acoustic piano (Yamaha C7), I would have kept it.
21 months in and I have this same exact problem on my fp 10 😪 roland is really getting worse and worse, what happened to them???? they were never this bad in the 90s
Check if you have one or two year warranty on your FP-10. The action should be checked for any lubrication issues. I like PHA-4 but I do not expect that it would last without some service
@@Mosestylez Some people use lubrication themselves (there are a few videos on line) but I would ask Roland service to do it for me. Fortunately, this problem is less pronounced with new PHA-4 piano releases. I got RD-08 that is just fine.
@@mfurman That's the thing, I can't ask Roland services to do it for me every time this happens :( The FP-10 was/is going to be my very first piano (even though I'm 30), just to learn. But I keep getting more and more sceptical to buy this, if this clicking issue can occur no more than after 3-4 hours, even if it's brand new. How often should we lubricate the Piano once we do it. Can the clicking sound occur again after 1 week we lubricate it?🤔
@@Mosestylez It will start happening in a few months perhaps. As I said, PHA-4 is better lubricated in a new models. You will have a two years warranty from Roland. I always get a month return without question asked from the dealer. These are all problems that you may not want to face. My advice is to get Yamaha P-225 instead of Roland FP-10. If you are not playing more demanding classical or jazz music pieces, the shorter pivot will not matter to you. P-225 may be only marginally more expensive than FP-10 but it is a better digital piano with a quiet action. It will probably not matter to you that GHC action has only two sensors and no escapement (especially if you do not use piano VSTs and do not have much experience playing acoustic piano).
What is interesting is that I noticed this sound when playing J.S. Prelude No.1 in C BWV 846 and then I investigated further what triggers it. As you might have noticed this sound only happens if the key is released in a specific way. I had three different pianos with PHA-4 action in between Oct 2020 and Sep 2021 and I returned them all because clicking noises. I wanted to find out if I could still hear the problem. It took me less than 2h to succeed. I have no idea why it is never mentioned in the reviews but I cannot tolerate it regardless of other positive aspects of this action. By the way, I find the action of Casio PX-S5000 nosier and definitely "bouncier" than the one in PX-S1100. Stu tests focus on the noise when pressed - it is the noise of release keys that is louder.
@@arvistaakm8445 It all depends on your needs. I had a few Roland digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, A-88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-30X, FP-10 ACR) and I am now getting RD-08. I also rented FP-10 a few times, I was always hoping that the action will be quiet but it never was although I know how to avoid the noise. It is all because of lubrication issues. Why am going back to this action? It is simply quite realistic comparing with Yamaha GHS or GHC (they are both quite springy and have only two sensors and no escapement. Yamaha NWX (I had P-515) is a very heavy action and Roland PHA50 (I had FP-90X) is a bit too soft at the bottom of the key run. FP-90X is a heavy and expensive digital piano. PHA-4 has a long pivot length (comparable with NWX, longer than GHS and only a bit shorter than PHA50). It matters if one plays white keys closer to the fulcrum. All in all, I decided to just get PHA-4 serviced when needed and just stay with it because I like its feel. Michael Ps. Kawai plastic actions are even more noisy (when coming to the resting position) than PHA-4 and some of them are very bouncy that I do not like
I bought FP-90X in 2021 and returned in Sep 22. I also had three PHA-4 digital pianos in 2020-2021. The one I have tested was a rental. I currently have P-125 but I have just ordered P-225 😊
Hi there, was just doing a search for this issue as I have exaxt same noise on my fairly new FP60X. I really love the piano bit noise is getting me down. Roland have asked me to send a video of 'the phenomenon'. Very strange choice of words, kind of implies that I may be imagining it!
@@davidleigh3346 LOL. They have been pretending that there has been no issue with the clicking noise for quite a long time. I had a few Roland digital pianos, including FP-10, FP-30X, FP-10 ARC, RD-08 and A88 mkII MIDI controller - all of them developed some level of this noise in 2-3 months of intensive use.
Thanks for your work .When you buy this FP 10 ? This problem still exist in 2023 or is something of the first models ?
I bought my first FP-10 in Oct 2021. I had FP-30X and A-88 mkII as well. This test was done of a rental. I very recently bought FO-10-ACR as my MIDI controller. It seems to be better.
Very interesting Michael. I watched the other video testing the P125 as well. The FP-10 makes quite a bit of noise when the key returns, I was wondering if this model has some type of felt on the keys (from the video, it doesn't seem to have any). The P-125 has a red felt, which seems to help control the noise.
It indeed does not have any felt. I noticed this sound when playing J.S. Prelude No.1 in C BWV 846 and then I investigated further what triggers it. This sound only happens if the key is released in a specific way. I had three different pianos with PHA-4 action in between Oct 2020 and Sep 2021 and I returned them all because clicking noises. I wanted to find out if I could still be able to hear the problem. It took me less than 2h to succeed.
@@mfurman Thank you for this information. Very useful.
The Kawai ES110 also has some type of felt over the keys yet the keys still make a thumping sound when released. Also I rewatched Stu's comparison between the Yamaha P125 and Kawai ES110, and I'd really like to know if they were recorded threw lineouts or not because I could hear the P125's damper pedal clumping on the floor. Would also like to know if the ES110 was up against a wall because the ES110 (in the review) was able to sound louder than the P125🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Those reviews are often a bit biased (or perhaps imprecise 😊)
@@mfurman yeah I tried a P125 several times now. It's prity great, and has great build quality🎹🎶
Hallo...Ich habe mir ein FP E50 "versucht" zuzulegen. Es besitzt die PHA-4 Tastatur. Ein super Gerät was die Kreativität des Musikspielens betrifft. Aber eine (bei mir) unbrauchbare Tastatur. Währen einige Tasten "normal" funktionieren, haben andere Tasten ein extremes Klappergeräusch das parallel zum erzeugten Klavierton hörbar ist und zwar deutlich. Das klingt als würde man mit einem leichten Hammer auf ein Holzstück schlagen. Dieses Geräusch erklingt etwa 0,5 Sekunden nach dem Klavierton. ....also wie ein Echo zum gewollten Klavierton. Unmöglich! Das betrifft mehr oder weniger - also unterschiedlich laut - alle oberen Tasten und einige Tasten auch im tiefen Bereich, wenn auch weniger aufdringlich. Und ich schreibe es noch einmal: Andere Tasten sind voll i.O. und zu akzeptieren - also ein klarer Fertigungsfehler. Ich besitze auch ein Roland RD700: da gibt es diese Problem nicht.
Was about to purchase a used FP-10, but upon testing, I noticed this weird noise when releasing the keys. Seems like it's a common issue on Roland's digital pianos, huh?
Since you have a lot of experience with these, would you say the noise is bearable? Though I mean, if it isn't, I don't really know what other good options are available at the price range of the FP-10
@@a_soulspark It is indeed a common problem. I was told a few times that the newer digital pianos with PHA-4 action are better in this respect but the last Roland digital stage piano (RD-08) still had this problem (perhaps a bit less). I think that Yamaha P-225 could be a good alternative in this practice range even though that GHC piano action has a shorter pivot length than PHA-4. Otherwise, P-255 has all the features needed and nice sound.
If you can get P-125A (it has GHS action), it may be even better because of slightly longer pivot length of the action. P-125 does not have a Digital Audio Interface. GHC action is very quiet.
Good luck,
Michael
Michael
Hey. I want to make a small reminder that in the FP-30X there is a felt near the end of the keys (just like the red one in Yamaha one) which seems to be lacking in the FP-10. Thus, PHA-4 on the FP-30X can be a bit quieter than on the FP-10, which still isn't loud (electronic drums are much worse in that departament :D)
Good point but I actually tested the noise in the past on FP-30X and A-88 mkII MIDI controllers. They were both returned because they were also noisy. Ironically, I bought FP10-ACR recently and I am using it as a MIDI controller (with headphones connected to my Focusrite Scarlett
does this affect how the keys feel? like you can feel the keys being sticky? or is it just the sound?
It is the sound. The action feels OK and I actually prefer it to Roland PHA50 action (PHA50 is much quieter though). PHA-4 develops this upstroke noise after some time of playing. I have a recording of Shenandoah in which you can hear some of the noise during my playing. I play on RD-08 which has actually relatively quit PHA-4 action.
@@mfurman thanks!
This is really loud, and it's bad to hear it gets worse with time, it has put me right off.
Have you tested the Casio scaled hammer action II? Such as in the S series range.
Thank you
No I did not. I only tested PX-S1100 and PX-S5000 but I did not record any video
@@mfurman Thanks, they are a bit above my budget as I want a beginner one for now. Now it's between the Casio s160 (same as s150 I believe) and the Korg B2.
I went with the Casio PX-765 (PX-770) in the end, I didn't want to keep regreasing the Roland!!!
@@LaurenceGough Congratulations. It is indeed a very good deal! I am tempted 🙂
How close is the rebound/key-return noise of this PHA4 action to the Yamaha GHC action of the p225? I saw on your other noise test of the Yamaha that there's also quite a rebound noise present. I have the same issue with my Roland FP30x. I have been thinking of replacing it with the Yamaha p225 to avoid that noise issue but I'm hesitant since the two may be equal in volume of the noise. Curious to hear your thoughts, thanks!
If you want to avoid the rebound clicking noise you should definitely choose GHC action of P-225. I had five digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, FP-30X, A88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-10 ACR and RD-08). The first four developed the clicking noise. RD-08 seems to be much better (Roland changed the greasing method recently). I like some aspects of PHA-4 - it is relatively close to the feel of acoustic piano action I often practice on. Yamaha GHC action is a bit too difficult to play closer to the fulcrum for me.
@@mfurman thanks! I'll definitely look into the Yamaha. I just hope it's got similar durability to the pha4 which supposedly is still durable despite the annoying clicking noise
@@m3rc743 Both actions have their positive and negative aspects. I liked P-225 very much and if I had not been also practicing on acoustic piano (Yamaha C7), I would have kept it.
i have gotten used to the sound now bro, it doesnt bother that much after a while
How long have you had it? I'm not really concerned about the sound as long as it still functions perfectly for a long time.
@@ChaseKongoogleplus around 1.5yr not very loud to cause issue in playing, when I use headphone it doesn't reach
21 months in and I have this same exact problem on my fp 10 😪 roland is really getting worse and worse, what happened to them???? they were never this bad in the 90s
Check if you have one or two year warranty on your FP-10. The action should be checked for any lubrication issues. I like PHA-4 but I do not expect that it would last without some service
@@mfurmanIf we use lubrication on it, will it solve the issue?
And by lubrication, do you mean some kind of grease specifically for Pianos? 🙏😁
@@Mosestylez Some people use lubrication themselves (there are a few videos on line) but I would ask Roland service to do it for me. Fortunately, this problem is less pronounced with new PHA-4 piano releases. I got RD-08 that is just fine.
@@mfurman That's the thing, I can't ask Roland services to do it for me every time this happens :(
The FP-10 was/is going to be my very first piano (even though I'm 30), just to learn. But I keep getting more and more sceptical to buy this, if this clicking issue can occur no more than after 3-4 hours, even if it's brand new.
How often should we lubricate the Piano once we do it. Can the clicking sound occur again after 1 week we lubricate it?🤔
@@Mosestylez It will start happening in a few months perhaps. As I said, PHA-4 is better lubricated in a new models. You will have a two years warranty from Roland. I always get a month return without question asked from the dealer.
These are all problems that you may not want to face. My advice is to get Yamaha P-225 instead of Roland FP-10. If you are not playing more demanding classical or jazz music pieces, the shorter pivot will not matter to you. P-225 may be only marginally more expensive than FP-10 but it is a better digital piano with a quiet action. It will probably not matter to you that GHC action has only two sensors and no escapement (especially if you do not use piano VSTs and do not have much experience playing acoustic piano).
It actually sounds like a clock in my opinion haha🎹🎶
What is interesting is that I noticed this sound when playing J.S. Prelude No.1 in C BWV 846 and then I investigated further what triggers it. As you might have noticed this sound only happens if the key is released in a specific way. I had three different pianos with PHA-4 action in between Oct 2020 and Sep 2021 and I returned them all because clicking noises. I wanted to find out if I could still hear the problem. It took me less than 2h to succeed. I have no idea why it is never mentioned in the reviews but I cannot tolerate it regardless of other positive aspects of this action. By the way, I find the action of Casio PX-S5000 nosier and definitely "bouncier" than the one in PX-S1100. Stu tests focus on the noise when pressed - it is the noise of release keys that is louder.
I want to pick one of those two. yamaha p45 and the Roland fp -10, so is the p45 has the same problem of noises keys? 🙏🏽
No. GHS is quieter but does not really resemble the feel of acoustic piano action
@@mfurman Thanks for the quick reply, so the Roland with all the problems of noises is still better than the Yamaha?
@@arvistaakm8445 It all depends on your needs. I had a few Roland digital pianos with PHA-4 action (FP-10, A-88 mkII MIDI controller, FP-30X, FP-10 ACR) and I am now getting RD-08. I also rented FP-10 a few times, I was always hoping that the action will be quiet but it never was although I know how to avoid the noise. It is all because of lubrication issues.
Why am going back to this action? It is simply quite realistic comparing with Yamaha GHS or GHC (they are both quite springy and have only two sensors and no escapement. Yamaha NWX (I had P-515) is a very heavy action and Roland PHA50 (I had FP-90X) is a bit too soft at the bottom of the key run. FP-90X is a heavy and expensive digital piano. PHA-4 has a long pivot length (comparable with NWX, longer than GHS and only a bit shorter than PHA50). It matters if one plays white keys closer to the fulcrum.
All in all, I decided to just get PHA-4 serviced when needed and just stay with it because I like its feel.
Michael
Ps. Kawai plastic actions are even more noisy (when coming to the resting position) than PHA-4 and some of them are very bouncy that I do not like
Are you renting these keyboards? My friend bought an FP90. Phil always says the action is 'like butter'.
I bought FP-90X in 2021 and returned in Sep 22. I also had three PHA-4 digital pianos in 2020-2021. The one I have tested was a rental. I currently have P-125 but I have just ordered P-225 😊
@@mfurman I knew, and forgot you had the Roland. I see positive reviews of the P225.
Thank you, Roland lost my money as I will go to the other brands....
Roland FP-90x has a really nice action. Although it is significantly pricier.