i have Seen 10 bikes together at motoverse , lot of them had pimples and motichur laddo leftovers on the chassis weld joints especially near the fork stem area...that's the quality issue (no where close to Triumph 400) Which Himalayan is infamous for breakage... Hopefully all saw that broken chassis of 411 doing rounds on the internet earlier. Also bikes with 500-800 km on odo were sounding worse than tractors with heavy tappet and crank noises...
More is yet to come once the initial batches reach customers, this bike has a lot of things RE has done first time ever - Liquid cooling, DOHC, Short stroke engine etc
Tappet noise is a common issue that comes post 500 kms for every current generation bike that RE has produced so far. It gets adjusted in the very first service so not a serious thing to bother.
That’s for RE Classic long stroke engine interval of first 500Km they just inspect. Himalayan 450 altogether is a new engine then the clearance specs are not met even in 200Km for another vehicle in the video. But one of the bike was sounding to have connecting rod issues too. At 500Km they do 1st service, most 350cc they check clearance, in J-Series mostly it does not go out of the tolerance.
@@automotriztechnica I assume the case may be of hard revving and testing the bikes to it's full capabilities since these are all new engines that have not completed "running in period" so that's why you are hearing sounds due to uneven wear and tear.
@@Inty_650 I have heard about timing chain issues in Himalayan 411cc, same gets continued in Himalayan 450cc will be a lesson learnt by their designers and remains unfixed.
Sir one more question i have. X pulse 200 4v new bike or Himalayan 411 in second hand bike. Which is better And Whats the Both of Mileage from your experience.
XPulse 200 4V is a light weight proper dual sport bike. Mileage is 32 - 45kmpl based on your riding style. Makes justice for power to weight ratio. Some people got even 50kmpl whereas I got 49kmpl Himalayan 411cc is heavy with that old style engine, but a long stroke. Good seating ergonomics, Highway mile muncher, but lack of refinement seen as usual. Its BS6 model is the most bug fix in the lot from BS3, BS4 etc. BS6 Himalayan 411cc mileage: 40kmpl Liking and buying is dependent on the user, you need to properly Test Ride both where you and your body suits and get connected to the bike. If you are looking for a used Himalayan get a BS6 less run only. Seating of XPulse is narrow and Himalayan is awesome. New Himalayan 411cc less run heats a lot, after 2000Km it should be fine. Chassis is unreliable of 411cc Himalayan, cone set gets bad if the water seeps into the cone set. In that aspect XPulse 200 4V excels in build quality. I would rather suggest to take proper long Test rides of both & settle for one. If you ask me, my pick will be XPulse 200 4V anytime a brand new one. I owed it as well for a year, XPulse I always ❤ it.
Will this be good for our CHENNAI city bumper-to-bumper traffic what is the least mileage we can expect for such conditions......considering the suspension comfort feature this could be a good buy compared to triumph scram provided we don't face any issues with maneuvering in city traffic ........I have already booked Triumph Scram and this I need your expertise on selecting among these two.... and also need to know if RE quality issues plaguing around ?
Scram 400 anytime a refined product as of now. Himalayan 450 needs to get maturity, it will take its own sweet time. Chennai bumper to bumper traffic the radiator fan will kick often. If Himalayan quality was maintained properly, it would have been a bit got. The fuel economy in bumper to bumper is less, approximately capable of 27-33kmph. Average is 30kmpl Since you already have booked Trumph Scram, you take proper test rides of both one after another and that’s the best thing to do. longer ones then it’s a good package. If you consider a Himalayan 450, you may weight for a second revision. RE quality issues are still seen.
@automotriztechnica Sir for ladakh trip Hunter 350, X pulse 200 4v, Or Mt 15 v2 Which is better Under 2lakhs. Or any suggestions for better long ride bike on budget, For 2 persons.(pillion)
For Ladakh like terrain, XPulse 200 4V is an excellent bike, might need an air seat. The rest all bikes are mentioned here are simple Roadsters with lower ground clearance. For pillion XPulse can take but you will feel it’s bit not a mile muncher, but a King on rides.
Beginner friendly bike in Adv is XPulse 200 4V, a little more expensive and highly refined is the BMW 310GS, a sweetest spot. If you are tall to handle KTM Adv 390 then it’s also a good but it needs more skills, not that beginner friendly. Any bikes which has bugs like Himalayan that irritate the user, cannot be beginner friendly.
True 👍 the fan kicks in early when we kept the bike on idle for a while, didn’t expect the bike to get heated up so quickly. When users ride it in traffic, we need to wait and watch on this as well, it will definitely heat up in Bangalore like City… Bumper to bumper traffic.
Tushar, You have asked me between Himalayan 450 & Triumph 400X, the Triumph 400X Scrambler is a pick at this moment… because the build quality is exceptional and its components are more refined at precision. Again it’s personal preference based on experience and needs. Only thing to narrow down is to take proper Test Ride of the bike you have shortlisted and then decide. Consider a BMW G310GS if you like Adventure
I have gone through most of the comments from in this comment section ,to my attention I came across one word more frequently viz - 2nd lot , 2 nd batch Any lights put on this term will be really helpful. Thnks in advance
More precisely, the next version release of the Himalayan 450 where the Royal Enfield releases with all the bugs & design issues that were found by common user on practical usage on roads in City & Highway. Altogether a refined product in the next generation of it.
This new one is the same shit like it's predecessors . Royal Enfield as a company needs an overhaul, if they want to produce anything of quality. My 2017 BS4 Himalayan cost me an extra 4.5 lakhs on top of the showroom price to bring it to some ridebility. So, what can one expect for 2.68 lakhs ????
Based on the information in your video, it seems that this is a better package than the KTM 390 Adventure. Of course, the first batch needs to be avoided, be it RE or KTM. As for the delay in the ride by wire throttle, it's there in the KTM 373 cc engine as well. Not sure about the new 399 cc one. KTM engines also have a lot of valvetrain noise but these Himalayans seem to have too much of it. Shows the inportance of proper running-in but we will know more once the first batches have clocked several thousand kilometres.
KTM 373 the first batch had delays too, I believe they solved it in 2014. Looking at the overall design & quality H450 need to go through multiple sittings of bugfix.
@@automotriztechnica No, the BS3 model (up to 2016 had direct throttle so power delivery was instant. The BS4 (2017 to 2019) and BS6 (2020 onwards) models had ride by wire throttle and the lag was never fixed. It's a problem with ride by wire itself. I have a BS4 model and a friend has a BS6 one and both have this issue. Even the service centre confirmed that the lag is inherent and nothing short of a full aftermarket ECU remap will fix it.
@@twowheeledparadox Thanks for the correct info on KTM RBW💐👍. Ride by wire is based on the Digital Control System design with feedback, I use BMW G310GS and also I rode my friends A390 2023 model that had FuelX, the delays are negligible. BMW has almost nil. It all depends on the bus frequency the vendor uses for that module. The H450’s is noticeable for those who are riding BMW & KTM. There must be a cost cutting on H450 in these specs.
@@automotriztechnica The FuelX does nothing to alleviate throttle input lag. It only improves low and mid range torque to make the bike more rideable. The lag is easily ignored at low rpm but becomes very pronounced the closer you get to 10k rpm. It was especially annoying to me because my other KTM is an early batch 200 Duke. That has zero lag as do my friends' BS3 390 Dukes. You are right, KTM might have cheaped out on this and RE even more so. I need to test ride the new Himalayan. The laggy throttle response is something that concerns me whenever I hear that a bike has ride by wire throttle. I haven't ridden a BS6 G310GS, only a BS4 one which did not have RBW so I do not know well BMW calibrates that type of throttle.
@@twowheeledparadox Agree, FuelX does gamma parameters manipulation for fuel adjustments for low end and high end for torque. But piggy back ECUs like Powertronics which I’ve not used, heard they do a good response. Whichever bike I try, lastly Classic 350 Reborn is the versatile I feel, it can go everywhere. That sometimes BMW G310GS cannot do. Another CB350 has a great smoothest engine. I went to book a Himalayan 450, my friend already booked it. We thought it would be better in real thinking media’s and RE Influencer’s talks, I stepped back not booking the Hanle Black. Other friends booked. Rest all looks OK, time is the best results maker here.
The first lot boley toh ek batch hota hai, jinke parts SKU same hote hain, same production bench. Yeh avalambit hota hai Ki unka 1st lot kitne dealers lelete hain. Yeh data sirf RE ke paas hota hai. Mai jo boltaha thaa iss video ke jariye woh toh next version hain, boley toh inke improvements jo log complaint karenge woh sab fix karke next improvement version release karte hain. Yeah kabhi kabar 6 mahine ya 1 saal kareeb kareeb lagta hai. Aap ko pata chalega jab woh release kartey hain TH-camrs users jo hain uss time pe difference batatey hain. Hope I explained you properly. Thanks for your comment 💐
@@LokiTube Aap showroom jaake proper aur lambi test ride lelijiye, woh aapko bhii pata chalega ki bike practically aapke hissab se hai bike ki nahi. Koi bhi bike kyun na ho.
@@automotriztechnica wo mene leli h but mera RE ka experience acha nhi rha mere pass interceptor 650 th jisko me preshan hokkr sale kr chukka hu recently 2nd RE ki bike le rha hu
@@LokiTube Same here, Interceptor 650 Maine bhii leke 3-1/2 saal baad kamm chali bech di. Only RE ka hai Classic 350 Reborn hai Abhi. All in one lagti hai. Aap doosre brands bhi try kijiye like BMW G310 GS, shayad pasand aaye.
Both modes were checked… it’s not the delay of ECO mode, it’s the latency time taken by the Sensor and the Controller and the digital signals fed to the target system. I could make it out easily on the throttle. Just raise a bit, the engine will respond with a delay. The throttle sensor and the feedback takes a lot of time in their DCS. I worked on these Automotive systems, these signals if take time means a H(z) function always will have a delay factor (Z-1) in input
I can clearly listen the sound of tappet more aggressively as compared to other bikes as you have shown!! As per my observation company gives you certain guidelines which are to be followed regarding the engine reving and how you should drive till first 500-700 kms, so if the bike is tested like maniacs then but obviously things like this will occur and also I have seen people doing the same to their CB350 Honda hness and later they had more severe noise issues than what you have shown in your video but it is advisable to wait till at least 2nd lot before making any quick decisions!
I agree to your point, Royal Enfield should also understand that we are end users not the testers of their first version. We buy with passion and expect a mature product.
@@Devgambhirjgj I have updated it to the known dealers, and the team-bhp.com also has my complete post. It’s up to RE whether they want to make the product more reliable & refined for the users. Likewise, if any RE engineers come to have a technical discussion, I am open to these.
I think 390 stands nowhere close in any aspect. KTM owners were much more afraid of breakage of alloy rims before they could attempt activities that would stress the chassis/ frame. Nevertheless, even the Titanic can be destroyed with careless handling.
I have honda cm 125 T ...was imported from singapure,year 1982, till today the byke has done 272,000 km, till date tappet is not set or adjusted....thts my honda, made in japan
When is the expected delivery? By that time you have some buffer to get to know the feedback from City, Highway & Off-road people. Once it gets into hands of people they will openly communicate. I’m also waiting for the same 💐
The Classic 350 never needed so much of media hype.It has been the highest selling bike in its segment for the wonderful machine it is.The low and mid range on it is beautiful. But the amount of hype that has been created around the Himalyan 450 is just enormous.Not sure if it actually is worth all that.The same had happened when the Speed 400 was to be lauched.In my opinion,the Speed 400 also dint match up to.all the hype.Lets see how it goes with the H450.
I own a Classic 350 Reborn and had gone to Motoverse, it’s well stable with excellent torque all around, its weight is a blessings in disguise on Highways. It looks slow but not slow and very faithful with excellent braking 💐 The Media & Influencer’s hype is too high for Himalayan 450, I wanted to see what’s in it, but was disappointed after seeing it close by. Well said buddy 👍
@@automotriztechnica I test rode the Himalyan 450 for the first time yesterday.I was euphoric after the test ride and was sure that i will buy it.I absolutely loved it. I test rode the Himalyan again today in heavy traffic.And in my opinion,for some considering Himalyan as "One Bike Do It All ". its low end can be a pain.Below 2000rpm,you open the throttle on 2nd gear and it will either knock or stall.I had to shift down to the first gear.In peak traffic of places like Bangalore this can be a real pain.The Himalyan below 2000rpm and above 2000rpm is two different bikes and one needs to consider that really well before making a purchase decision.All the hype around it is currently overshadowing this fact. And then i test rode the bullet right after it. I just loved how easy it is to ride the Bullet.Even on low rpm on 2nd or 3 rd gear you rev it and it just picks up.The low and mid range torque on the Bullet and the Classic is just beautiful.
@@automotriztechnica Hello Sir, Hope you are doing good.From your ownership experience of the Classic,would like to understand how is the performance of the stock rear view mirrors.Do they do their job well while touring and in cities? Or it would make sense to upgrade to touring mirrors. Also,just wanted to let you know that after multiple test rides of the Himalyan and the Classic,I booked the Classic Reborn Marsh grey. There is a special charm about that motorcycle which is unparalleled.
@@_abhimanyu. I agree with your decision on getting a Classic Reborn. Yes, it’s has a soul that cannot be explained. Congratulations 💐 You should get it within 2 weeks to 4 weeks. OE stock mirror are OK but the touring mirrors are exceptional and are antiglare. You won’t see any reflection of headlights as that of Stock. You can ride with stock mirrors and then make a choice later after the delivery. RE does not replace the stock mirrors if you do it make your own configuration. Hence, I you can give a try with stock in city and highway it does the job, but the touring mirrors are must have 😊👍
Buddy, thanks for your comment. With these kind of quality issues, I would prefer not to go for Himalayan 450. I would prefer the A390 current ones or the new Adv 398CC which is under the build or immediate is a choice of G310GS.
@@Sk-xe6es Yes, the latest Duke 390 has 398cc engine instead of the previous 373cc, so low end torque has improved. KTM has Adventure 390 with this engine of 398cc and the chassis will be a new design too.
@@kunalkumar-lb3zf There is one instance of Duke 398 complaint that went viral from Delhi, the vehicle was sold & re-sold and the second person who owned it mentioned the bike had issues already as per his TH-cam video
@@automotriztechnica chain moves faster on acceleration. also, noise is coming from the right side where the tensioner is located. usually quick and easy to swap it.
@@adityaarvind3953 Could be so, but that bike was just 500Km run & another bike 200Km that was also tending towards exhibiting same sounds. Saw more than 10 vehicles, many had such sounds, can be quality issues.
@@astonjondalmeida4528 KTM Adv 398 cc is in development with new chassis, same engine as that of new Duke390. That will be definitely a game changer. Another XPulse 421cc awaited
Most reviews are tending towards positive side, I was expecting someone like Dilip Bam Sir to do an unbiased review, there are many of his beloved students if they make up their mind to vlog.
After all it’s an Indian bike like Bajaj and hero but not TVS, even hero bikes are better than Bajaj! Japanese bikes are always best like Honda and Yamaha in terms of engine and reliability
Hero bikes are much more better in quality no doubt. TVS & Bajaj both have improved after a decade and half due to in-house R&D. But reliability is Hero is exceptional.
It’s not flickering. This happens because TFT emits light at a different frequency and camera captures at its own frequency. Sometimes there’s a mismatch which results in apparent flickering. In reality it’s not.
Video capture happens at 30fps, the display screen has a refresh rate much slower than the video and also it looks like that the backlight is also at lower frequency to save power in the IPC
Bike looked to be switched off after a pause and when the rpm came to idle. He has at least reproduced the quickest issue of the threshold when fan switched ON so early.
As of now, the buyers of it are actually testers on our road of the 1st product. So, these refinements will definitely get fixed after people complain about it later on paper.
All the RE mechanics are dumb except the gentleman discussing engine noises, please grow up!! If you want frames like sbk then pay accordingly. What you would expect 2.69 lacs..
Day1 & Day2 there were test rides given to people with Chappals, Shorts & Lungis at Motoverse… RE customer base is 85% on their highest selling Classic 350 who also wear chappals in villages. Have a respect to others as well. Did you go to Motoverse event?
Do you know rider personally. When you insult someone who us genuinely trying to help people by showing the issues is spending time for no expectations. Have you never seen anyone riding bikes without shoes
i have Seen 10 bikes together at motoverse , lot of them had pimples and motichur laddo leftovers on the chassis weld joints especially near the fork stem area...that's the quality issue (no where close to Triumph 400) Which Himalayan is infamous for breakage... Hopefully all saw that broken chassis of 411 doing rounds on the internet earlier.
Also bikes with 500-800 km on odo were sounding worse than tractors with heavy tappet and crank noises...
I think the broken frame of the himalayan was because of the frame itself and not the weld
Motichoor laddoo 😂❤
Some weld marks were of bigger Khaara Boondi size (bigger motichur) and seen manually filed to make these flat…..
Thank you telling the truth sir we all agree RE quality is worst frankly this brand is sold by influencers and media but not brains 😢
@@srikesh9 💐🙏💐 Grateful to your comment
Thank you sir for a very detailed review. It helps a lot in decision making 🙏🏾
Thanks 🙏 I am glad that the video helped you and the masses
More is yet to come once the initial batches reach customers, this bike has a lot of things RE has done first time ever - Liquid cooling, DOHC, Short stroke engine etc
Here comes a reknowned KTM chapri owner 😂
@@Sk-xe6es welcome ktm chapri, tumhara swagat hai 🤣
@@cosmicvortex2 Yes after Jan 2024 30k increase was indicated.
@@motovin77 has kyun rha hae ayena jaakar dekh ktm chapri
@@Sk-xe6es Aree phir aagaya ktm chapri🤣
Tappet noise is a common issue that comes post 500 kms for every current generation bike that RE has produced so far. It gets adjusted in the very first service so not a serious thing to bother.
That’s for RE Classic long stroke engine interval of first 500Km they just inspect. Himalayan 450 altogether is a new engine then the clearance specs are not met even in 200Km for another vehicle in the video. But one of the bike was sounding to have connecting rod issues too.
At 500Km they do 1st service, most 350cc they check clearance, in J-Series mostly it does not go out of the tolerance.
@@automotriztechnica I assume the case may be of hard revving and testing the bikes to it's full capabilities since these are all new engines that have not completed "running in period" so that's why you are hearing sounds due to uneven wear and tear.
@@Inty_650 I have heard about timing chain issues in Himalayan 411cc, same gets continued in Himalayan 450cc will be a lesson learnt by their designers and remains unfixed.
Sir one more question i have.
X pulse 200 4v new bike or
Himalayan 411 in second hand bike.
Which is better
And
Whats the Both of Mileage from your experience.
XPulse 200 4V is a light weight proper dual sport bike. Mileage is 32 - 45kmpl based on your riding style. Makes justice for power to weight ratio. Some people got even 50kmpl whereas I got 49kmpl
Himalayan 411cc is heavy with that old style engine, but a long stroke. Good seating ergonomics, Highway mile muncher, but lack of refinement seen as usual. Its BS6 model is the most bug fix in the lot from BS3, BS4 etc. BS6 Himalayan 411cc mileage: 40kmpl
Liking and buying is dependent on the user, you need to properly Test Ride both where you and your body suits and get connected to the bike. If you are looking for a used Himalayan get a BS6 less run only. Seating of XPulse is narrow and Himalayan is awesome.
New Himalayan 411cc less run heats a lot, after 2000Km it should be fine. Chassis is unreliable of 411cc Himalayan, cone set gets bad if the water seeps into the cone set. In that aspect XPulse 200 4V excels in build quality.
I would rather suggest to take proper long Test rides of both & settle for one. If you ask me, my pick will be XPulse 200 4V anytime a brand new one. I owed it as well for a year, XPulse I always ❤ it.
Will this be good for our CHENNAI city bumper-to-bumper traffic what is the least mileage we can expect for such conditions......considering the suspension comfort feature this could be a good buy compared to triumph scram provided we don't face any issues with maneuvering in city traffic ........I have already booked Triumph Scram and this I need your expertise on selecting among these two.... and also need to know if RE quality issues plaguing around ?
Scram 400 anytime a refined product as of now. Himalayan 450 needs to get maturity, it will take its own sweet time. Chennai bumper to bumper traffic the radiator fan will kick often. If Himalayan quality was maintained properly, it would have been a bit got. The fuel economy in bumper to bumper is less, approximately capable of 27-33kmph. Average is 30kmpl
Since you already have booked Trumph Scram, you take proper test rides of both one after another and that’s the best thing to do. longer ones then it’s a good package. If you consider a Himalayan 450, you may weight for a second revision. RE quality issues are still seen.
@automotriztechnica
Sir for ladakh trip
Hunter 350,
X pulse 200 4v,
Or
Mt 15 v2
Which is better
Under 2lakhs.
Or any suggestions for better long ride bike on budget,
For 2 persons.(pillion)
For Ladakh like terrain, XPulse 200 4V is an excellent bike, might need an air seat. The rest all bikes are mentioned here are simple Roadsters with lower ground clearance. For pillion XPulse can take but you will feel it’s bit not a mile muncher, but a King on rides.
@@automotriztechnica
thank you very much sir.
Do you thing is beginner friendly as a first bike!? Thanx ✌️
Beginner friendly bike in Adv is XPulse 200 4V, a little more expensive and highly refined is the BMW 310GS, a sweetest spot. If you are tall to handle KTM Adv 390 then it’s also a good but it needs more skills, not that beginner friendly.
Any bikes which has bugs like Himalayan that irritate the user, cannot be beginner friendly.
4:00 that's clear mark of exaust over heating.
True 👍 the fan kicks in early when we kept the bike on idle for a while, didn’t expect the bike to get heated up so quickly.
When users ride it in traffic, we need to wait and watch on this as well, it will definitely heat up in Bangalore like City… Bumper to bumper traffic.
So which bike should I buy now Himalayan 450 or triumph 400x.
Tushar, You have asked me between Himalayan 450 & Triumph 400X, the Triumph 400X Scrambler is a pick at this moment… because the build quality is exceptional and its components are more refined at precision. Again it’s personal preference based on experience and needs. Only thing to narrow down is to take proper Test Ride of the bike you have shortlisted and then decide.
Consider a BMW G310GS if you like Adventure
I have riding ktm adventure 390 . 20k kilometer has been done Naver get faced find not a single kind og issues.. The reliability is Top of the mark
Thanks for sharing this buddy 💐👍
I have gone through most of the comments from in this comment section ,to my attention I came across one word more frequently viz - 2nd lot , 2 nd batch
Any lights put on this term will be really helpful.
Thnks in advance
More precisely, the next version release of the Himalayan 450 where the Royal Enfield releases with all the bugs & design issues that were found by common user on practical usage on roads in City & Highway. Altogether a refined product in the next generation of it.
This new one is the same shit like it's predecessors . Royal Enfield as a company needs an overhaul, if they want to produce anything of quality. My 2017 BS4 Himalayan cost me an extra 4.5 lakhs on top of the showroom price to bring it to some ridebility. So, what can one expect for 2.68 lakhs ????
Based on the information in your video, it seems that this is a better package than the KTM 390 Adventure. Of course, the first batch needs to be avoided, be it RE or KTM. As for the delay in the ride by wire throttle, it's there in the KTM 373 cc engine as well. Not sure about the new 399 cc one. KTM engines also have a lot of valvetrain noise but these Himalayans seem to have too much of it. Shows the inportance of proper running-in but we will know more once the first batches have clocked several thousand kilometres.
KTM 373 the first batch had delays too, I believe they solved it in 2014. Looking at the overall design & quality H450 need to go through multiple sittings of bugfix.
@@automotriztechnica No, the BS3 model (up to 2016 had direct throttle so power delivery was instant. The BS4 (2017 to 2019) and BS6 (2020 onwards) models had ride by wire throttle and the lag was never fixed. It's a problem with ride by wire itself. I have a BS4 model and a friend has a BS6 one and both have this issue. Even the service centre confirmed that the lag is inherent and nothing short of a full aftermarket ECU remap will fix it.
@@twowheeledparadox Thanks for the correct info on KTM RBW💐👍. Ride by wire is based on the Digital Control System design with feedback, I use BMW G310GS and also I rode my friends A390 2023 model that had FuelX, the delays are negligible. BMW has almost nil. It all depends on the bus frequency the vendor uses for that module. The H450’s is noticeable for those who are riding BMW & KTM. There must be a cost cutting on H450 in these specs.
@@automotriztechnica The FuelX does nothing to alleviate throttle input lag. It only improves low and mid range torque to make the bike more rideable. The lag is easily ignored at low rpm but becomes very pronounced the closer you get to 10k rpm. It was especially annoying to me because my other KTM is an early batch 200 Duke. That has zero lag as do my friends' BS3 390 Dukes. You are right, KTM might have cheaped out on this and RE even more so. I need to test ride the new Himalayan. The laggy throttle response is something that concerns me whenever I hear that a bike has ride by wire throttle. I haven't ridden a BS6 G310GS, only a BS4 one which did not have RBW so I do not know well BMW calibrates that type of throttle.
@@twowheeledparadox Agree, FuelX does gamma parameters manipulation for fuel adjustments for low end and high end for torque. But piggy back ECUs like Powertronics which I’ve not used, heard they do a good response. Whichever bike I try, lastly Classic 350 Reborn is the versatile I feel, it can go everywhere. That sometimes BMW G310GS cannot do. Another CB350 has a great smoothest engine. I went to book a Himalayan 450, my friend already booked it. We thought it would be better in real thinking media’s and RE Influencer’s talks, I stepped back not booking the Hanle Black. Other friends booked. Rest all looks OK, time is the best results maker here.
Sir 1st lot me kitni bikes aati h our kitna time baad 1st lot khtam hota h
The first lot boley toh ek batch hota hai, jinke parts SKU same hote hain, same production bench. Yeh avalambit hota hai Ki unka 1st lot kitne dealers lelete hain. Yeh data sirf RE ke paas hota hai. Mai jo boltaha thaa iss video ke jariye woh toh next version hain, boley toh inke improvements jo log complaint karenge woh sab fix karke next improvement version release karte hain. Yeah kabhi kabar 6 mahine ya 1 saal kareeb kareeb lagta hai. Aap ko pata chalega jab woh release kartey hain TH-camrs users jo hain uss time pe difference batatey hain. Hope I explained you properly.
Thanks for your comment 💐
@@automotriztechnica ok it means wait krna better h aggr himalayan leni ho toh 1 year other vise try n tested bike lelo
@@LokiTube Aap showroom jaake proper aur lambi test ride lelijiye, woh aapko bhii pata chalega ki bike practically aapke hissab se hai bike ki nahi. Koi bhi bike kyun na ho.
@@automotriztechnica wo mene leli h but mera RE ka experience acha nhi rha mere pass interceptor 650 th jisko me preshan hokkr sale kr chukka hu recently 2nd RE ki bike le rha hu
@@LokiTube Same here, Interceptor 650 Maine bhii leke 3-1/2 saal baad kamm chali bech di. Only RE ka hai Classic 350 Reborn hai Abhi. All in one lagti hai. Aap doosre brands bhi try kijiye like BMW G310 GS, shayad pasand aaye.
Have you checked the mode.. it might be in eco mode . Hence delay
Both modes were checked… it’s not the delay of ECO mode, it’s the latency time taken by the Sensor and the Controller and the digital signals fed to the target system.
I could make it out easily on the throttle. Just raise a bit, the engine will respond with a delay.
The throttle sensor and the feedback takes a lot of time in their DCS.
I worked on these Automotive systems, these signals if take time means a H(z) function always will have a delay factor (Z-1) in input
Excellent review yet again
I can clearly listen the sound of tappet more aggressively as compared to other bikes as you have shown!! As per my observation company gives you certain guidelines which are to be followed regarding the engine reving and how you should drive till first 500-700 kms, so if the bike is tested like maniacs then but obviously things like this will occur and also I have seen people doing the same to their CB350 Honda hness and later they had more severe noise issues than what you have shown in your video but it is advisable to wait till at least 2nd lot before making any quick decisions!
I agree to your point, Royal Enfield should also understand that we are end users not the testers of their first version. We buy with passion and expect a mature product.
@@automotriztechnicaexactly and now every company is like this! Have any of the Royal Enfields employees reached out to you for the same issue sir?
@@Devgambhirjgj I have updated it to the known dealers, and the team-bhp.com also has my complete post. It’s up to RE whether they want to make the product more reliable & refined for the users. Likewise, if any RE engineers come to have a technical discussion, I am open to these.
I think 390 stands nowhere close in any aspect. KTM owners were much more afraid of breakage of alloy rims before they could attempt activities that would stress the chassis/ frame. Nevertheless, even the Titanic can be destroyed with careless handling.
Well said, nice one ❤ KTM is still better than Himalayan 450 at this moment after I saw this in real time for the quality KTM gives.
I have honda cm 125 T ...was imported from singapure,year 1982, till today the byke has done 272,000 km, till date tappet is not set or adjusted....thts my honda, made in japan
I ❤️ Honda, that’s why own one CB series 👍☺️😊 Thanks for your excellent comment 💐
I have booked . Lets see what happens
When is the expected delivery? By that time you have some buffer to get to know the feedback from City, Highway & Off-road people. Once it gets into hands of people they will openly communicate. I’m also waiting for the same 💐
Engine is not refined as the hype from medias.. I will happily wait for xpulse 400.. By the time re will have batch 2..
Absolutely 💯, I am also waiting for XPulse 421cc. I owned XPulse 200 4V and it’s quality was far better then the Himalayan
The Classic 350 never needed so much of media hype.It has been the highest selling bike in its segment for the wonderful machine it is.The low and mid range on it is beautiful.
But the amount of hype that has been created around the Himalyan 450 is just enormous.Not sure if it actually is worth all that.The same had happened when the Speed 400 was to be lauched.In my opinion,the Speed 400 also dint match up to.all the hype.Lets see how it goes with the H450.
I own a Classic 350 Reborn and had gone to Motoverse, it’s well stable with excellent torque all around, its weight is a blessings in disguise on Highways. It looks slow but not slow and very faithful with excellent braking 💐
The Media & Influencer’s hype is too high for Himalayan 450, I wanted to see what’s in it, but was disappointed after seeing it close by. Well said buddy 👍
@@automotriztechnica
I test rode the Himalyan 450 for the first time yesterday.I was euphoric after the test ride and was sure that i will buy it.I absolutely loved it.
I test rode the Himalyan again today in heavy traffic.And in my opinion,for some considering Himalyan as "One Bike Do It All ". its low end can be a pain.Below 2000rpm,you open the throttle on 2nd gear and it will either knock or stall.I had to shift down to the first gear.In peak traffic of places like Bangalore this can be a real pain.The Himalyan below 2000rpm and above 2000rpm is two different bikes and one needs to consider that really well before making a purchase decision.All the hype around it is currently overshadowing this fact.
And then i test rode the bullet right after it.
I just loved how easy it is to ride the Bullet.Even on low rpm on 2nd or 3 rd gear you rev it and it just picks up.The low and mid range torque on the Bullet and the Classic is just beautiful.
@@_abhimanyu. I am glad that you hit the bulls eye 👍
@@automotriztechnica Hello Sir,
Hope you are doing good.From your ownership experience of the Classic,would like to understand how is the performance of the stock rear view mirrors.Do they do their job well while touring and in cities?
Or it would make sense to upgrade to touring mirrors.
Also,just wanted to let you know that after multiple test rides of the Himalyan and the Classic,I booked the Classic Reborn Marsh grey.
There is a special charm about that motorcycle which is unparalleled.
@@_abhimanyu. I agree with your decision on getting a Classic Reborn. Yes, it’s has a soul that cannot be explained. Congratulations 💐
You should get it within 2 weeks to 4 weeks.
OE stock mirror are OK but the touring mirrors are exceptional and are antiglare. You won’t see any reflection of headlights as that of Stock. You can ride with stock mirrors and then make a choice later after the delivery. RE does not replace the stock mirrors if you do it make your own configuration. Hence, I you can give a try with stock in city and highway it does the job, but the touring mirrors are must have 😊👍
Why dont you check out scrambler 400?
Scram 400 is a refined product
Great review Yogesh 👍
Thanks Rohit 💐🙏
Hi I’ve booked as well but contemplating between it and 390ADV. Please share your opinion and update when you make your mind on your purchase. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Buddy, thanks for your comment. With these kind of quality issues, I would prefer not to go for Himalayan 450. I would prefer the A390 current ones or the new Adv 398CC which is under the build or immediate is a choice of G310GS.
@@automotriztechnicanew adventure 398? Is it of ktm
@@Sk-xe6es Yes, the latest Duke 390 has 398cc engine instead of the previous 373cc, so low end torque has improved. KTM has Adventure 390 with this engine of 398cc and the chassis will be a new design too.
@@automotriztechnicathat engine is even worse and it is seizing like hot cakes.
@@kunalkumar-lb3zf There is one instance of Duke 398 complaint that went viral from Delhi, the vehicle was sold & re-sold and the second person who owned it mentioned the bike had issues already as per his TH-cam video
Honda should bring out a CB 300X adv based on their 286cc single
Honda have good bikes, their 750cc is coming first
Honest review keep it up👌👌
Thank you so much 💐🙏💐 I’m Grateful to you
Valve clearances are off
Yep, too early it looks like
The engine does sound a lot clattery
Yes 💯 % it’s a tractor 🚜 on two wheels
Could be timing chain noise due to bad tensioner
Not sure on timing chain. Timing chain sound should not be in rhythmic with respect to power stroke.
@@automotriztechnica chain moves faster on acceleration. also, noise is coming from the right side where the tensioner is located. usually quick and easy to swap it.
@@adityaarvind3953 Could be so, but that bike was just 500Km run & another bike 200Km that was also tending towards exhibiting same sounds. Saw more than 10 vehicles, many had such sounds, can be quality issues.
5:55 the is due to dry piston
😊❤
Excellent review 👏... honest
Yes, being honest, true & transparent here 🙏
Wow sir ppt and all, ❤
Thanks 🙏
Fonishing is very bad. I test ride yesterday
Absolutely 💯 % agree with you 💐
. . . . . But as per many vloggers, KTM & ITS SERVICE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY anymore
Scared of going with KTM . . . .
That depends on place for KTM, depends on Service station, but also applicable to Royal Enfield. KTM service is far superior than RE anytime.
I have owned 3 KTMs so far and currently also own a 390 Adv, KTM by far has been a very reliable product and Service has been amazing.
@@automotriztechnica i agree... Everyone knows that RE has the worst service centres
@@astonjondalmeida4528 KTM Adv 398 cc is in development with new chassis, same engine as that of new Duke390. That will be definitely a game changer. Another XPulse 421cc awaited
Looks very ordinary, a lot of hype created by the sold out media and influencers
Most reviews are tending towards positive side, I was expecting someone like Dilip Bam Sir to do an unbiased review, there are many of his beloved students if they make up their mind to vlog.
You sound jealous.😂😂😂
@@nikhilmenon8605 Just truth but nothing else being told in this video, take it or leave it 😃
@@nikhilmenon8605 If that assumption makes you happy, then stay like that in mirage effect 🤣
@@automotriztechnica still crying.... Really feel sorry for you. 🤣😂
After all it’s an Indian bike like Bajaj and hero but not TVS, even hero bikes are better than Bajaj!
Japanese bikes are always best like Honda and Yamaha in terms of engine and reliability
Hero bikes are much more better in quality no doubt. TVS & Bajaj both have improved after a decade and half due to in-house R&D. But reliability is Hero is exceptional.
TFT Screen flickering while filming..😢
It’s not flickering. This happens because TFT emits light at a different frequency and camera captures at its own frequency. Sometimes there’s a mismatch which results in apparent flickering. In reality it’s not.
Video capture happens at 30fps, the display screen has a refresh rate much slower than the video and also it looks like that the backlight is also at lower frequency to save power in the IPC
@@boom_shankar any solutions?
@@DiscoverIndia4Knone
@@automotriztechnicatry 60 fps
How much you earn?
What is the intent of this question? For what purpose? Can you elaborate?
i will wait for second batch😂😂
I believe that makes sense ❤
You will vacillate till price increases😂
I am not considering this bike after many factors. What I felt is Classic 350 is more versatile, and Adv should be as light as possible.
5:20 literally abusing the bike even when the fan kicked on reving it hard and then killing it off next sec..
Bike looked to be switched off after a pause and when the rpm came to idle. He has at least reproduced the quickest issue of the threshold when fan switched ON so early.
go with himalayan 450
As of now, the buyers of it are actually testers on our road of the 1st product. So, these refinements will definitely get fixed after people complain about it later on paper.
All the RE mechanics are dumb except the gentleman discussing engine noises, please grow up!! If you want frames like sbk then pay accordingly. What you would expect 2.69 lacs..
Language must be observed, Sir. Please analyze your rage and how it will be when someone trolls you.
It’s 3.62 Lakh, do you still accept a bike with such quality?
Riders with chappal commenting on a very well designed and built machine. Anybody makes videos
Day1 & Day2 there were test rides given to people with Chappals, Shorts & Lungis at Motoverse… RE customer base is 85% on their highest selling Classic 350 who also wear chappals in villages. Have a respect to others as well.
Did you go to Motoverse event?
Do you know rider personally. When you insult someone who us genuinely trying to help people by showing the issues is spending time for no expectations. Have you never seen anyone riding bikes without shoes