You have to be kidding me. There was a perfect solution, making it out of pla, and then the people didnt buy it because it was TOO LOUD? The regular bags are loud anyways! Classic case of market failure, that should be corrected by the government! Wall-E is becoming more and more realistic
PLA is more complicated than you think. For starters, most types of PLA (and "compostable" materials) are actually only industrially compostible - which means that they require certain specific conditions of temperature (50-60 degrees celsius), humidity, and aeration for a significant period of time (6 months). There are generally no reverse logistics for these either, and they in fact make traditional recycling harder, because they are chemically different. And even if they do make it to a industrial composting center, there are chances they don't fully biodegrade, also leaving behind microplastics. Also, PLA does not always have the required mechanical properties sometimes leading to food wastage. The overall carbon footprint of recycled plastics is also generally better than virgin PLA. Basically, it's a lot more complex and nuanced than even I thought before I started working in this space, and there doesn't seem to be one ideal solution - we need a bit of everything to tackle this!
@@ashaya.without Food wastage is hardly helped by these plastics though, so much food goes to waste and they even print fake expiry dates to convince people to throw away even the food that's still good.
Most people pollute and does not care but few people who actually tries to find a solution and frankly the world is working because of them. All the best guys, you are doing a great work!
Years ago I worked in a state prison. Some of those guys were incredibly inventive and creative. Most guys made picture frames from empty chip bags, by folding and weaving the bags together. One guy made a motorcycle, entirely out of chip bags and another guy made a pickup truck from chip bags. Both doors and the hood were able to be opened and the wheels were dip cans. Genius.
One of them made a pickaxe out of chip bags, chiseled through the walls, and tried to make his escape using a camaro he has crafted out of bags, cans, and wet napkins. Unfortunately for him, his work on the radiator was sloppy and the car's engine blew out before he could make it a quarter mile past the prison's fence. Poor guy got denied parole over that incident.
He had hidden a pistol he had also made secretly from chip bags that shot deadly plastic pallets- a number of police souls found themselves in heaven as he had himself got his own redemption from prison
went to prison once too. one of the guys made a whole lawyer out of chip bags and it was able to reduce their sentence from 5 years to a month, thanks to new evidence (made from chip bags too). creativity knows no bounds.
IMO it says a lot there’s a huge industry and R&D that goes into manufacturing something yet little to no effort, rigour goes into developing know how and processes to properly handle what’s being produced. It seems to always be “someone else’s problem”. How did it take finally one scientist to bother doing the research to have a way to tackle the issue
There is now a huge industry and R&D into the "processes to properly handle what's being produced", which is why you keep seeing videos just like this one for different extremely niche plastic products. They are recycling them for the same exact reason as they were originally produced, to turn a profit. That's why you always see these single-site operations in India where they make stupid shit like sunglass frames or bricks. They're doing what everyone else does, trying to turn a profit where there is not one
Sounds about right. Just think of the research and R&D that went into Teflon. What it comes down to is how much money a company can make and how quick, deal with the repercussions later...
@@Renwoxing13 yeah, pretty much. They're just making a lot more money than you think they are, the environment they're in means they have ready access to trash. Not knocking the hustle, especially if it has a net positive for the environment or at least their local environment. They just need to come up with something better to use it for. Plastic bricks? The freaking sun would destroy your house in a few years
@@decuhh4323 The industry and R&D into recycling plastics is not "huge" in the same way that it is for the plastic packaging companies and the multi-national food conglomerates that depend on them, they're a thousand times larger.
"The bag is too loud"... Me: What the...? That is the signature audio feedback of a classic chip bag. To be honest, I mostly don't mind how they go about addressing issues, but if I receive a silent chip bag in the future there is going to be a riot!
That's a commonly cited issue that has cropped up in various movements; consumers want to feel good about their impact, but not at their own expense. The moment any kind of friction or barrier is introduced they'll stop doing it, despite what they say in consumer tests.
@@purplepotato8849 Exactly. People may not want the Exploitation of Migrant workers but they dont want to pay a dollar nore for them to have a decent wage.
Mixed packaging is a great invention used in the stupidest ways. Here in sweden the package of sour cream i usually buy used to be just 1 plastic type, today it is plastic mixed with paper making it harder to recycle... Also did any other country have milk packages in just cardboard like Sweden? Today it has a plastic cap which maybe helps keep the milk fresh for 1-2 days more after opening but still dumb mixed packaging. They should ban mixed packaging for any products that don't see a 25%+ benefit from it or ban it outright for mixed packages that aren't easy to seperate the individual layers.
Think a 'problem first' solution would be to lobby for the current packaging to be banned. Attempting to recycle this material is giving people an excuse to say 'oh well, someone's working on it', and then continue to consume, while the majority of the packaging is going to landfill.
@@donaldhobson8873 you're taking the piss aren't you? What's wrong with oil spills. What's wrong with deforresting. What's wrong with trashing the planet when we don't have to? Do you dig holes in your own backyard and sit all the trash you create? No ....didn't think so!
Here in the Uk we purchase "Two farmers" crisps and their bags are recyclable . I quote from their website: The packets are made from cellulose and sustainably grown eucalyptus trees from managed plantations. This means that they are 100% compostable!
As per their website, their packaging is 100% "industrially" compostable, which is a bit more complicated, and not that green - these won't biodegrade in your backyard. Industrially compostible means that they require certain specific conditions of temperature (50-60 degrees celsius), humidity, and aeration for a significant period of time (6 months) to degrade. Basically, it's a lot more complex and there doesn't seem to be one ideal solution - we need a bit of everything to tackle this!
eucaliptus is not "green". Provoke bush fires and consume a lot of water. And viscose production from eucaliptus are hihgly toxic. You can search Greenpeace and others to verify information.
@@ashaya.without very valid point. I grew up being taught "Reduce, reuse, recycle" in school and took it to heart. For the past 20 years, our household has always opted for the smallest trash can available and I still emphasize to my kids the importance of recycling and composting. I worked with a small team of county sponsored recycling educators when I was working for the state in my early 20s, trying to start an effective recycling and composting program at the park I was working at. It was an eye opening experience. We took a tour of a recycling facility and industrial composting facility and learned a lot from the people who worked there. The biggest problem is what you can recycle or compost will vary greatly depending what county or city you live in over here in the US, which leads to confusion and an ineffective system due to contamination, unbeknownst to those that are truly trying to help.
Haha I understand where you're coming from, but as someone who works here, I'm pretty sure I'm not 50% microplastics, unless you count proteins, which are made of the same chemical elements as plastic (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen) haha. In all seriousness, we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
@@abarrazarios This process is creating a ton of airborne dust. You can see it in the video. It's a very important takeaway. All plastic recycling may be nonviable long-term if the dust is more harmful than larger pieces of pollution.
it's easy to say when in reality the problem is you. Who want fresh crispy chips which last longer? don't take it personnaly, we are responsible for this. manufacturers are just answering with what we want.
@@blaxxteam the fact is that people will never accept that you can't have all these products and have care of the environment at the same time. Here they just mentioned the packaging, but for make chips you need potato's fields, transports, an industries...there's an infinite pollution just for a stupid vice like chips. If we don't choose some priorities and leave away the rest, nothing will change: the real problem are not the packages, but that we produce BILLIONS of packages.....
So who remembers Sunchips compostable bags in 2010? They were shiny and colorful. Only flaw was its metallic crinkling that could be heard 300ft away. It was a chaotic way to eat chips from a bag. 😅
The doctor here is amazing. 1000+ experiments?! He's committed. And I doubt he was raking in cash...just motivated by pure desire to solve a real problem. Unfortunately, I doubt that this process could ever work at scale to deal with all the bags in the world.
i swear tetrapaks used to say "do not recycle" on them (at least in Alaska). maybe it was just certain brands. i noticed within the past few months they started saying they were recyclable. i'm sure we don't have the machine up here, but good to know they're trying.
Pringles cans are probably at least as hard to recycle. Lay's Stax come in a plastic bottle and cap with a thin aluminium seal, probably 99% recyclable.
Now I understand why the food industry have the biggest opportunity in implementing circular economy Food waste even have a problem on its own, is composteable Implementing circular economy in food packaging will be a huge changer
The amount of waste handling the plastic during processing was absolutely gut wrenching because all of that ends up as microplastics in the waterways. With that sort of quality the only way it'll ever arrive in the US is because it'd have to be 1/10th the cost of plastic from anywhere else.
This problem could be solved relatively easily through legislation... Just impose the use of that noisy but recyclable bag made out of starch! If every brand had their product in that tipe of bag, then a comercial disadvantage wouldn't exist! And consumers should tolerate a minor inconvenience in order to stop a horrendous polluting phenomena!
Good on him for working on this problem but the workers' masks are not remotely good enough for the work they're doing and the amount of microplastics being created in shaping the sunglasses is a bit much...
Thank you for appreciating our work! As mentioned above, here's some context on the microplastics thing: we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
@@YTnh2n I also would love to see what they'd do with the aluminum hydroxide (natrium aluminate) they are creating there. it doesn't seem like an efficient process at all.
Look. A lot of things simply cause more environmental damage in the recycling process than outright reuse. So with those, either we forget the whole thing or require that they be abandoned in favor of more easily recycled materials. Which may only still mean that it's easier to recycle but not economically viable.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! The only time this recycling process makes any sense is when you can use it to sell overpriced sunglasses to hipsters. It is completely useless for any other purpose except one: It allows the people who make these bags to say, "Our products are recyclable!" I wouldn't be at all surprised to find this guy is being funded by the companies who make these bags.
@@rockets4kids Are you sure it doesn't make sense as a form or R&D for recycling these sort of materials? Is there no potential for it to scale up to be competitive with other materials?
This brings up the "cost of convince". We get a food that last longer, but end with a material that can only mainly be thrown away in a landfill. The most alarming things about multi-layer packaging is: 1.this material isn't going to decompose or degrade. 2. It will find it's way into nature, and the ocean.
It's from a corporation that sees the cheapest, most effective, solution. Yet, doesn't think, or care, about the long term effects. The biggest companies function to maximize consumerism and capital/money in a global world. It's their main goal.
Ppl like him are so inspiring! He quit a lucrative job to try do do something for the environment that nobody else has ever been able to accomplish! Now that is true innovation at its finest and makes you feel like... well what are you doing to help out with the problems on our planet? Any of them! Pick one bc there are tons to choose from! But I salute him! Blessings from Louisiana!!❤
The only time this is profitable is when you can use it to sell overpriced sunglasses to clueless hipsters. And even then it is only using a tiny fraction of the waste stream. This is all a scam to allow the people who make these plastic bags to keep on making them.
Thank you for appreciating our work and getting the bigger picture! We obviously don't think a few sunglasses or a few kgs / day of recycling is going to solve the problem. Before scaling dramatically, we are focused on getting the technology right along many parameters (material properties, recyclability, cost and social inclusion). Still have a long way to go.
@@ashaya.without Thank you for your effort. It´s not perfect but you are doing more than most of the people in the comments. I prefer reuse than recycling, but I get your point. Here in Spain your company weren´t profitable without tag 300€ for a frame. Maybe with innovative desing. I see others recycle company of glasses, and yours source a difficult material. Congratulations. And please, wear n95 in the extruder >
@@DoctorWho1963StartYes this is culture. Swastika is an ancient symbol of peace and prosperity, used in all ancient civilizations. You are uneducated, ignorant and uncultured because you don't even know the basics.
I once talk with a recycling staff, he says mostly any plastics can be recycled, but the problem is whether there are people want to buy those recyclables and depends on the recyclables collected is in bulk or not. At least it's how it works in my place. Potato chips bags have plastic, thank you for showing this, it's very informative to know this is still an issue..
I work for Encorp Pacific Canada, British Columbia's largest drinkable container recycler. I found this video very interesting. If we buy a product, its container must be recyclable. We have a long way to go, but slowly we're getting there.
Sorry to say, but it is not recycling, it’s downcycling. Kudos for the effort. But we should give up on most plastics, specially multilayer hard to recycle plastics.
Agreed, the washing it with water which is probably rinsing off microplastics in an environment, all the fuel cost to get it there all the fuel cost to process etcetera
And replace it with what? Multilayer (MLP) is often demonized but imagine a world without it! The documentary is about chips but MLP is used to extend the shelf-life of all manner of food & drinks. Inherent tamper-proof properties also ensures food safety. Short shelf-life results in greater food waste & food insecurity! Imagine if there were no MLP tetra packs keeping crucial items like UHT milk drinkable for months at ambient temperature. There would be global nourishment deficit affecting the most vulnerable in society! Sure some packaging can be switched to glass & aluminium but the carbon cost of making, recycling & transporting them will also have a negative affect. I'm not saying MLP doesn't have its downsides but all packaging materials do. More research should be spent of developing materials that are easier to recycle or at least downcycle!
@@allouttabubblegum1984 I was thinking the other day how wasteful we make everything out of plastic. I would love to see a reduction in using plastic in everything and stop making as much junk that we do currently. If oil is slowly running out until it replenishes then we should try and make it last us.
@@aimansoul If everyone stopped buying stuff like this overnight there would be mass starvation across the world, for real. It would require an entire re-working of the global economy and systems of agriculture to move away from using modified starches, high-fructose corn syrups and other ultra-processed food ingredients. In the US 80% of the national diet is ultra-processed foods, and that all requires single-use plastic packaging to be shelf-stable enough to be "economically viable". To replace that all with whole foods and cooking from scratch would take decades. Saying "people need to stop buying this kind of product" is asinine. There isn't enough other food products for people to buy instead to feed themselves even if enough people did try.
it's very inspiring to hear of proper startup projects like Without from countries that are normally considered quite impoverished. like, when you think "India", atp you think tech support scammers and other sorts of shady, seedy operations. it's good to see that changing
As mentioned above, here's some context on the microplastics thing: we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
There is so much plastic and garbage that it can be burned and used as free energy, Germany has an incinerator that burns plastic to nothing but carbon and c02 but dont fogot about our precious invisible force field that we must protect to keep rich people from getting too sweaty, so you might as well just shut up and deal with everything being poisoned..
@@ashaya.without Thanks for replying! What I meant is the stray microplastic since by scooping and moving the shredded MLP alone, for example, we can see that your employees spread those microplastic particles everywhere onto the factory floor like at 4:41 onwards.
@@hitthedeck4115 Your concern is valid and you are right, all plastics once made will turn into smaller and smaller pieces of plastic and they do this whether handled, processed or even left alone. It's called plastic shedding and it's a problem the manufacturers should ultimately deal with. If they were charged with cleaning up after their mess it would cost so much to remove it all from the environment it would bankrupt them and they wouldn't be able to make anymore. That's the kind of regulation the world needs over these corporations.
Most important is finding those possible recycle loops, not handling trash and using it in a completely different product. It's well done work, but the goal ought to be real recycle within a product market.
When I was an Instacart shopper a lady had order a 36 count carton of eggs, which were out of stock. I replaced them with the next cheapest option which was the store brand egg cartons which just happened to be cage free. She went on a tirade in the chat session about how she wasn’t going to spend her money on any stupid liberalism and insisted on industrial farmed eggs from cramped cages, so she ended up paying more for “Eggland’s Best” eggs because she couldn’t handle the thought of chickens being allowed to see daylight. Civilization is screwed.
It sounds petty but it was actually astoundingly loud, like actual firecrackers. If you want chips, touch the bag and the entire house/office can hear it that's actually an unusable product.
And throwing these bags in landfill isn't actually a big problem. There is a lot of empty wasteland to burry stuff like this. They don't leak toxins. They just sit underground doing nothing. No ones survival is threatened by them.
Some ignorent people are saying why there is swastik symbol well illiterates swastik is a symbol of peace and prosperity in Hinduism for 5000 years grow up
yeah its a super powerful symbol for more than 5000 years many more and it is found in every single ancient community worldwide, thats why it was allowed to be perverted by the same sick people in charge now
@@Pipinghotitea Both the left and right facing are sacred. It's frustrating to me that here in the US some Hindi friends have been harassed for decorations ~inside their home~ (but visible from the open door) while the various crosses the Nazis used are perfectly okay to put up in the yards (and even protected BY LAW) and wear on clothing of neighbors.....
@@mwater_moon2865The Iron cross is still seen as a Symbol of the German military before the Nazis. Its like Saying Rainbows belong to the pride community. The Swastika became THE NAZIS symbol. Its a Symbol in the west Iconic to them. You aren't changing that in the Western Mind anytime soon.
years back here in the Philippines, there was a trend that people would cut this type of "aluminum foil bags" (now known to me as MLP) and sell for like $20 per kilo, it was 20 years back so it was a substantial amount for those who stays at home at the time, most people don't have the patience though to collect these plastic bags and cut it to small pieces which they said to be used as pillows
BI should get a lot of these entrepreneurs together for a conference. I bet if those brains worked together, they could go further on a lot of these experiments.
Great question! We have conducted an independent ISO certified life cycle analysis (LCA) for this, and our process in the pilot scale (only 50kg/day) will have a negative Carbon footprint. That obviously doesn't make sense intuitively, we do use energy in our process, but it takes into consideration avoided emissions as well (from virgin plastic product and bad incineration). Incineration, if done well, can be an interesting solution, but it's a destruction of value. And more often than not, incineration is not done properly, leading to release of toxic greenhouse gases and particulate matter. Our goal is to extract value (materials) from this MLP and use them over and over again. Sunglasses is just a proof of concept, but they are in fact more recyclable than conventional sunglasses because you can recycle our material in conventional PP or PE streams. Our solution is not perfect, but we are trying to look at holistically!
@@ashaya.without I assume you represent the company. That's indeed not intuitive, considering that the footprint of small plastic things is generally small. Is this published anywhere? It would guess it is very much assumption-depndent. For example, what about avoided emissions from gas mining to fuel power plants through the use of incineration? Anyways, so long that the free market decides, let all the flowers bloom...
Recycling plastics need to go thru several processing and uses huge amounts of chemicals, using significant energy and water. Is it really worth it? And where does the chemical treatment solvents, which most are toxic and non-biodegradable, go to? Recycling and re-using is commendable, but not a real solution, at most it's just a delay in disposal. What's needed are replacements for plastics and other non-biodegradable materials, which are truly environment friendly, and a drastic reduction of plastic use.
@@TheBooban I agree. But the ruling class don't want us to do that, at least in the USA. That would be free electricity. Tesla wanted to give us free electricity, look how they crushed his idea since the 40's. I know in Malaysia they burn trash for free electricity.
Not true! The hardest part of recycling plastics is classifying the type of plastic being used! Once classified the recycling process is relatively cheap & cost efficient. Plastics are water & solvent resistant hence need only need water & detergent to clean. Things get difficult/impossible when there are several types of plastics being used in 1 product like multilayer plastics discussed in the documentary. Compare this to high heat & chemical cost of recycling aluminum, glass or paper! Glass & aluminium have much higher melting points then plastics so require a lot of energy to recycle. Paper is very porous so it absorbs whatever it was holding & needs a lot of water & bleaching chemicals to recycle.
Decades ago I watched a news clip on man-made landfills. The image of truckloads of waste being hauled to already mountainous landfills stuck in my mind. Since then I have also been stuck with reusing the same plastic storage bags multiple times. After watching this, no more store-bought chips.
@@NotaPizzaGRL The earth is really big. Running out of space won't happen any time soon. Most of the space deep underground isn't full of oil. There are way more places we can bury stuff than places full of oil. So we run out of oil long before we run out of landfill space.
There are many landfills near me that have a 100 year lifespan. When they are full they just go one canyon over and start filling that one up. They may not be nearby big cities but it's a better use of land that can't be built on or farmed.
Is people like this that makes me stop wanting tu buy chips and stuff so I ca reduce waste. Thanks for the inspiration and thank you for taking care of our planet
Overabundance is what keeps products cheap and affordable. That is the unfortunate reality of the modern world. If people really want to "fix" these issues, you go back a couple hundred years and leave the cities and go back to family farms you control fully. Be responsible for your OWN food production. Most people will never go for that, though.
Last I heard we make enough food to feed 11 billion people at present. There's 8.2 billion people globally and about 780 million people who go hungry each and everyday, so most food does get eaten not thrown out. But still you're right, too much does get wasted and too many go hungry as well.
@@orga7777 You make it sound like being responsible for your own food production necistates going back centuries in technology. It's tremendously easy nowadays to become more self-sufficient on a small holding with less effort than it took our ancestors, by using modern techniques, equipment and varieties. The problem as ever is having access to the land in the first place, and of land/wealth ownership in general. The agronomy is quite separate from post-scarcity economics though. We could have both family farms and overabundance.
@@purplepotato8849 If you do that it will be obvious this is all about producing a product based on virtue signalling and not actually helping the environment. In fact, the real goal here is to give the people who make these bags the opportunity to say, "We don't need to change out product, look here to see how it is recyclable!"
The sunglasses are... pointless? Will never scale to any significance. Why not just focus on on the filament stage, where it could be sold en mass for 3d printing/injection molding.
I don't work there, but my suspicion is that "plastic pellets, but they are recycled (so a bit less robust) and also more expensive" is a pretty tough sell for the injection molding industry, and so consumer products like sunglasses are a much easier thing to pay the bills with (higher margins, less picky buyers) until the process can scale to a point of profitability, if ever. 3D printing suffers from the same concerns but I also generally doubt it's a good thing to optimize for - 3D printing generates a surprising amount of waste itself!
Probably because they'll end up being more expensive and lower quality than virgin materials. The plastic industry as a whole tends not go give a shit about anything but profits, and with virgin materials they can still put "99% recyclable" (lots of people won't tell the difference) on their products and produce them cheaper.
We could somewhat reduce the amount of bags that go into the waste bin by solving the biggest problem with bagged chips. And that is to fill up the bag twice as much so you aren't scammed with half a bag of air!
Here's a simple solution: Open the bag, grab a bowl from the cupboard, pour the contents into the bowl, and eat from there. No extra noise, just the sound of crunching and smacking from the kids ;-)
Will's narration here is like a hybrid between the gentle soothing tone of Baumgartner Restoration with the delivery and cadence of Huggbees, I love it lol
Spend all this effort just to make recycled material that uses 70% or more energy than making the material from scratch?? Incinerate the trash and also get electricity out of it. Wow.
As mentioned above, we have conducted an independent ISO certified life cycle analysis (LCA) for this, and our process in the pilot scale (only 50kg/day) will have a negative Carbon footprint. That obviously doesn't make sense intuitively, we do use energy in our process, but it takes into consideration avoided emissions as well (from virgin plastic production and bad incineration). Incineration, if done well, can be an interesting solution, but it's a destruction of value. And more often than not, incineration is not done properly, leading to release of toxic greenhouse gases and particulate matter. Our goal is to extract value (materials) from this MLP and use them over and over again. Sunglasses is just a proof of concept, but they are in fact more recyclable than conventional sunglasses because you can recycle our material in conventional PP or PE streams. We have even managed to recycle our material 10 times in our lab without significant change in properties. Our solution is not perfect, but we are trying to look at holistically!
@@e.cambay5263 And then everyone complains more because their product doesn't last as long and is more expensive. There is no replacement for plastic at this point. The genie is out of the bottle.
Interesting... I actually work at an Plastics recycling company and the bags, at least here in Austria/Europe are mixed with other plastics packaging. Usually its PP so we just shred, wash and extrude it together, as some foil with all the cups and boxes actually makes the material more usable for some of our clients. Filtration during the extruding process separates some of the metal along with other impurities and while it still does produce waste, its at least not 100% of the bag that goes into a furnace... we also recently got a new sorting facility which could detect and separate em, if not right now it would only need some training of the AI software, though im (not yet) involved into all that as we're still in the finalizing process...
Also doesnt adress the main problem that were still making unrecycble trash and large companies are doing nothing about it because its not regulated enough
@@Knifity Exactly how I feel about this whole thing, too. Seems like no country in this world wants to do it, though. Supermarkets in some places charge like £0.50 for a single plastic bag thinking it is going to reduce waste... They might as well introduce fully biodegradable or organic bags (e.g. made out of plant fibre) for a higher price. Well, like pretty much all consumers, am powerless to do anything or have any sort of impact on this, unfortunately.
@@mabeSc actually charging for bags makes sense and prevents people from getting those and using their own bag. There will always be people that don't care though, but that is often the issue of lacking education by the country
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As someone who works in the polymer manufacturing industry, they should absolutely wear respirators with proper fit tests and cartridges. Those masks are a joke and these workers WILL eventually have health issues. In the US, this whole operation would be shutdown and the owners would be heavily fined, and possibly even criminally prosecuted. Nothing like inventing technology that is good for the world that kills your workers.
"Feelgood" stories about "recycling" from places like India are always just a story about dumping and tragic working conditions. This is just a sad story.
I think part of the issue is that we need these solutions for when there is no other option but to use these packaging, but there is a massive overuse of them so the problem is just growing bigger everyday. We need to reduce first then reuse what we can't reduce and the finally recycle what's left. There needs to be higher use of reusable packaging at supermarkets where you can bring your reusable (sealable) container instead of buying chip packets There was also mention of the massive amounts of energy needed to recycle all of these, though I was glad to see that they mentioned that this was only profitable when the companies who are causing the problem are funding the solutions.
crisps is the british english term for fried potato slices, i think business insider usually uses the american english variant since thats where most of their viewers are from.
It's a several thousand year old symbol for peace and good luck in India. They're all over the place over there, and have nothing to do with the mustache man.
I fry my own chips, and am at peace with nature. It's fairly simple to just peel, slice, wash, mix with spices and deep fry the chips ! For planned travel, make some beforehand and store in airtight container - simple !!
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You have to be kidding me. There was a perfect solution, making it out of pla, and then the people didnt buy it because it was TOO LOUD? The regular bags are loud anyways! Classic case of market failure, that should be corrected by the government! Wall-E is becoming more and more realistic
PLA is more complicated than you think. For starters, most types of PLA (and "compostable" materials) are actually only industrially compostible - which means that they require certain specific conditions of temperature (50-60 degrees celsius), humidity, and aeration for a significant period of time (6 months). There are generally no reverse logistics for these either, and they in fact make traditional recycling harder, because they are chemically different. And even if they do make it to a industrial composting center, there are chances they don't fully biodegrade, also leaving behind microplastics. Also, PLA does not always have the required mechanical properties sometimes leading to food wastage. The overall carbon footprint of recycled plastics is also generally better than virgin PLA. Basically, it's a lot more complex and nuanced than even I thought before I started working in this space, and there doesn't seem to be one ideal solution - we need a bit of everything to tackle this!
PLA melts in my hot car.
@@ashaya.without Food wastage is hardly helped by these plastics though, so much food goes to waste and they even print fake expiry dates to convince people to throw away even the food that's still good.
pla deforms around 60°C and is just as hard to recycle, requires specialized composts to "degrade".
I mean, the perfect solution is to stop frivolously creating this kind of single-use plastic waste in the first place, MLPs or otherwise.
Anish is truly an inspiration, the fact that he's seeking true, systemic change rather than trying to make a quick buck fills me with hope
Yes he is a real one, interested in the glasses.
It literally says in the video the reason they are doing this is because they are getting paid to though
@@SolazLive Not as much as he will have earned in finance I imagine which makes his intentions clear; not monetary.
@@RichTapestry if theyre not making enough at least to live, people wont do it
@@kurostyx9124 I never suggested he's not making enough money to live. Just because money isn't his ultimate goal doesn't mean destitution is either.
That noisy compostable packaging NEEDS to come back please. I don’t feel like buying chips with non-compostable packaging any more
+1
Yeah, it's a future..
Oh shush.
Just don't buy chips. Chips are horrible for you.
simple solution is to ban potato chip sales and force people to bake or fry their own potato chips.
Most people pollute and does not care but few people who actually tries to find a solution and frankly the world is working because of them. All the best guys, you are doing a great work!
It is the manufacturers of the packaging and the food products that go in them that are the real polluters I think.
😂😂
It's communism and capitalism, globalism and populist democracy
The only real solution is to stop producing plastic in the first place. Anything else is a bunch of BS greenwashing.
@@RichTapestry they wouldn't keep existing without consumers so it's on both
Years ago I worked in a state prison. Some of those guys were incredibly inventive and creative. Most guys made picture frames from empty chip bags, by folding and weaving the bags together. One guy made a motorcycle, entirely out of chip bags and another guy made a pickup truck from chip bags. Both doors and the hood were able to be opened and the wheels were dip cans. Genius.
One of them made a pickaxe out of chip bags, chiseled through the walls, and tried to make his escape using a camaro he has crafted out of bags, cans, and wet napkins. Unfortunately for him, his work on the radiator was sloppy and the car's engine blew out before he could make it a quarter mile past the prison's fence. Poor guy got denied parole over that incident.
He had hidden a pistol he had also made secretly from chip bags that shot deadly plastic pallets- a number of police souls found themselves in heaven as he had himself got his own redemption from prison
IlonMask made space station out of absolutely nothing. Bit that!
They say necessity is the mother of invention...I suppose utter boredom is, too!
went to prison once too. one of the guys made a whole lawyer out of chip bags and it was able to reduce their sentence from 5 years to a month, thanks to new evidence (made from chip bags too). creativity knows no bounds.
IMO it says a lot there’s a huge industry and R&D that goes into manufacturing something yet little to no effort, rigour goes into developing know how and processes to properly handle what’s being produced. It seems to always be “someone else’s problem”. How did it take finally one scientist to bother doing the research to have a way to tackle the issue
There is now a huge industry and R&D into the "processes to properly handle what's being produced", which is why you keep seeing videos just like this one for different extremely niche plastic products. They are recycling them for the same exact reason as they were originally produced, to turn a profit. That's why you always see these single-site operations in India where they make stupid shit like sunglass frames or bricks. They're doing what everyone else does, trying to turn a profit where there is not one
Sounds about right. Just think of the research and R&D that went into Teflon. What it comes down to is how much money a company can make and how quick, deal with the repercussions later...
@decuhh4323
More like 3rd world country innovators trying to find something that is basically free to make money off of.
Small time r&d.
@@Renwoxing13 yeah, pretty much. They're just making a lot more money than you think they are, the environment they're in means they have ready access to trash. Not knocking the hustle, especially if it has a net positive for the environment or at least their local environment. They just need to come up with something better to use it for. Plastic bricks? The freaking sun would destroy your house in a few years
@@decuhh4323 The industry and R&D into recycling plastics is not "huge" in the same way that it is for the plastic packaging companies and the multi-national food conglomerates that depend on them, they're a thousand times larger.
"The bag is too loud"...
Me: What the...? That is the signature audio feedback of a classic chip bag.
To be honest, I mostly don't mind how they go about addressing issues, but if I receive a silent chip bag in the future there is going to be a riot!
I remember potato puffs in a waxed paper bag. They kept for ages. (If they didn’t get eaten, they were lovely)
People started complaining about sunchips and the sales declined 😂😂😂. The reason why humanity would be messed up always 😢
That's a commonly cited issue that has cropped up in various movements; consumers want to feel good about their impact, but not at their own expense. The moment any kind of friction or barrier is introduced they'll stop doing it, despite what they say in consumer tests.
Are you referring to Sun Chips packaging or the fact they are not 'healthier' than regular chips.
"to loud"... People are idiots
@@purplepotato8849 Exactly. People may not want the Exploitation of Migrant workers but they dont want to pay a dollar nore for them to have a decent wage.
I wonder if it bothered people before or after they heard it from the lady on tv.
Mixed packaging is a great invention used in the stupidest ways.
Here in sweden the package of sour cream i usually buy used to be just 1 plastic type, today it is plastic mixed with paper making it harder to recycle...
Also did any other country have milk packages in just cardboard like Sweden? Today it has a plastic cap which maybe helps keep the milk fresh for 1-2 days more after opening but still dumb mixed packaging. They should ban mixed packaging for any products that don't see a 25%+ benefit from it or ban it outright for mixed packages that aren't easy to seperate the individual layers.
money
And then food waste goes up.
Think a 'problem first' solution would be to lobby for the current packaging to be banned. Attempting to recycle this material is giving people an excuse to say 'oh well, someone's working on it', and then continue to consume, while the majority of the packaging is going to landfill.
What exactly is wrong with landfill?
@@donaldhobson8873Are you seriously that dense?
@@donaldhobson8873 it will fill up and eventually we run out of space.
Also stuff gets into the air.
@@donaldhobson8873 you're taking the piss aren't you?
What's wrong with oil spills. What's wrong with deforresting. What's wrong with trashing the planet when we don't have to?
Do you dig holes in your own backyard and sit all the trash you create? No ....didn't think so!
@@donaldhobson8873 exactly. How is burying it 6 feet under in the deserts of nevada at all an issue?
This really made me wish that chips were available in tubs and other much more easily recyclable materials rather than what we do now.
Greed.
@@jswajsberg most people would not pay more for the same product just because it has different packaging you might say you would but 95% + would not
Here in the Uk we purchase "Two farmers" crisps and their bags are recyclable . I quote from their website: The packets are made from cellulose and sustainably grown eucalyptus trees from managed plantations. This means that they are 100% compostable!
As per their website, their packaging is 100% "industrially" compostable, which is a bit more complicated, and not that green - these won't biodegrade in your backyard. Industrially compostible means that they require certain specific conditions of temperature (50-60 degrees celsius), humidity, and aeration for a significant period of time (6 months) to degrade. Basically, it's a lot more complex and there doesn't seem to be one ideal solution - we need a bit of everything to tackle this!
eucaliptus is not "green". Provoke bush fires and consume a lot of water. And viscose production from eucaliptus are hihgly toxic. You can search Greenpeace and others to verify information.
@@ashaya.without very valid point. I grew up being taught "Reduce, reuse, recycle" in school and took it to heart. For the past 20 years, our household has always opted for the smallest trash can available and I still emphasize to my kids the importance of recycling and composting.
I worked with a small team of county sponsored recycling educators when I was working for the state in my early 20s, trying to start an effective recycling and composting program at the park I was working at. It was an eye opening experience. We took a tour of a recycling facility and industrial composting facility and learned a lot from the people who worked there.
The biggest problem is what you can recycle or compost will vary greatly depending what county or city you live in over here in the US, which leads to confusion and an ineffective system due to contamination, unbeknownst to those that are truly trying to help.
the people working there are like 50% microplastics at this point
should us them for health studies
@@Zer0G101😂 very american
This is what you got off this ... 😂😂 funny but not the point
Haha I understand where you're coming from, but as someone who works here, I'm pretty sure I'm not 50% microplastics, unless you count proteins, which are made of the same chemical elements as plastic (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen) haha.
In all seriousness, we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
@@abarrazarios This process is creating a ton of airborne dust. You can see it in the video. It's a very important takeaway. All plastic recycling may be nonviable long-term if the dust is more harmful than larger pieces of pollution.
Nothing will change until government holds manufacturers responsible for recycling their packaging
For that to happen, you'll first need to get rid of all the people in government who have been paid off by the plastics industry.
it's easy to say when in reality the problem is you. Who want fresh crispy chips which last longer? don't take it personnaly, we are responsible for this. manufacturers are just answering with what we want.
@@blaxxteam the fact is that people will never accept that you can't have all these products and have care of the environment at the same time. Here they just mentioned the packaging, but for make chips you need potato's fields, transports, an industries...there's an infinite pollution just for a stupid vice like chips. If we don't choose some priorities and leave away the rest, nothing will change: the real problem are not the packages, but that we produce BILLIONS of packages.....
Government operated "Fat Camps" are the answer, ban obesity and re-educate the fat people that buy snack foods!
@@blaxxteam Just so you know, the food companies engineer these products to be as close to crack cocaine as they can legally make them.
So who remembers Sunchips compostable bags in 2010? They were shiny and colorful. Only flaw was its metallic crinkling that could be heard 300ft away. It was a chaotic way to eat chips from a bag. 😅
The doctor here is amazing. 1000+ experiments?! He's committed. And I doubt he was raking in cash...just motivated by pure desire to solve a real problem. Unfortunately, I doubt that this process could ever work at scale to deal with all the bags in the world.
i swear tetrapaks used to say "do not recycle" on them (at least in Alaska). maybe it was just certain brands. i noticed within the past few months they started saying they were recyclable. i'm sure we don't have the machine up here, but good to know they're trying.
It'd be better if they just stopped making new tetrapaks
Pringles cans are probably at least as hard to recycle.
Lay's Stax come in a plastic bottle and cap with a thin aluminium seal, probably 99% recyclable.
I'd bet people would pay premium for hipster chips in full aluminium cans.
Complaining a chip bag is too loud is peak American 💀
Now I understand why the food industry have the biggest opportunity in implementing circular economy
Food waste even have a problem on its own, is composteable
Implementing circular economy in food packaging will be a huge changer
The amount of waste handling the plastic during processing was absolutely gut wrenching because all of that ends up as microplastics in the waterways.
With that sort of quality the only way it'll ever arrive in the US is because it'd have to be 1/10th the cost of plastic from anywhere else.
This problem could be solved relatively easily through legislation... Just impose the use of that noisy but recyclable bag made out of starch! If every brand had their product in that tipe of bag, then a comercial disadvantage wouldn't exist! And consumers should tolerate a minor inconvenience in order to stop a horrendous polluting phenomena!
I'm in awe of the persistence and creativity shown here. It's people like Anish who are going to change the world for the better.
Good on him for working on this problem but the workers' masks are not remotely good enough for the work they're doing and the amount of microplastics being created in shaping the sunglasses is a bit much...
Yeah...I love the innovative, entrepreneurial thinking...but the process looked labor, water, and energy intensive.
I agree
Thank you for appreciating our work! As mentioned above, here's some context on the microplastics thing: we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
It is INDIA baby
@@YTnh2n I also would love to see what they'd do with the aluminum hydroxide (natrium aluminate) they are creating there. it doesn't seem like an efficient process at all.
The world needs more of these amazing entrepreneurs
The old "Don't recycle at home, recycle with large bags at supermarkets". Gifts all food manufacturers a free pass.
Look. A lot of things simply cause more environmental damage in the recycling process than outright reuse. So with those, either we forget the whole thing or require that they be abandoned in favor of more easily recycled materials. Which may only still mean that it's easier to recycle but not economically viable.
😂😂@@unclejoeoakland
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! The only time this recycling process makes any sense is when you can use it to sell overpriced sunglasses to hipsters. It is completely useless for any other purpose except one: It allows the people who make these bags to say, "Our products are recyclable!"
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find this guy is being funded by the companies who make these bags.
Stop eating chips. Do your part
@@rockets4kids Are you sure it doesn't make sense as a form or R&D for recycling these sort of materials? Is there no potential for it to scale up to be competitive with other materials?
kay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
This brings up the "cost of convince". We get a food that last longer, but end with a material that can only mainly be thrown away in a landfill. The most alarming things about multi-layer packaging is: 1.this material isn't going to decompose or degrade. 2. It will find it's way into nature, and the ocean.
That's what you get with consumrism, capitalism, globalism, democracy (western version)
It's from a corporation that sees the cheapest, most effective, solution. Yet, doesn't think, or care, about the long term effects. The biggest companies function to maximize consumerism and capital/money in a global world. It's their main goal.
15 chips in a bag capable of holding 500 is always going to be a problem.
Ppl like him are so inspiring! He quit a lucrative job to try do do something for the environment that nobody else has ever been able to accomplish! Now that is true innovation at its finest and makes you feel like... well what are you doing to help out with the problems on our planet? Any of them! Pick one bc there are tons to choose from! But I salute him! Blessings from Louisiana!!❤
It’s inspiring to see how innovation and creativity can turn waste into something functional.
The only time this is profitable is when you can use it to sell overpriced sunglasses to clueless hipsters. And even then it is only using a tiny fraction of the waste stream. This is all a scam to allow the people who make these plastic bags to keep on making them.
Thank you for appreciating our work and getting the bigger picture! We obviously don't think a few sunglasses or a few kgs / day of recycling is going to solve the problem. Before scaling dramatically, we are focused on getting the technology right along many parameters (material properties, recyclability, cost and social inclusion). Still have a long way to go.
@@ashaya.without Thank you for your effort. It´s not perfect but you are doing more than most of the people in the comments. I prefer reuse than recycling, but I get your point. Here in Spain your company weren´t profitable without tag 300€ for a frame. Maybe with innovative desing. I see others recycle company of glasses, and yours source a difficult material. Congratulations. And please, wear n95 in the extruder >
I'm not fooled one bit. Fossil fuel usage is still increasing.
It's a scam. They leave it
Congratulations to you, your engineers and workers. You are helping. Continue to grow and help the world be better!
3:50 .. bro something is going really wrong in that factory LMAO😂😂
lol, indian peace sign, got jumpscared too at first
Uncultured?
@@co2_os u call this culture; lmao
@@DoctorWho1963Start ah I see the reason now.
@@DoctorWho1963StartYes this is culture. Swastika is an ancient symbol of peace and prosperity, used in all ancient civilizations. You are uneducated, ignorant and uncultured because you don't even know the basics.
That's way cooler than I expected. It's amazing that they're doing this.
3:48 Gotta love the motivational circuitbox painting
Come to India, you will find it everywhere. It is a symbol of prosperity.
I once talk with a recycling staff, he says mostly any plastics can be recycled, but the problem is whether there are people want to buy those recyclables and depends on the recyclables collected is in bulk or not. At least it's how it works in my place. Potato chips bags have plastic, thank you for showing this, it's very informative to know this is still an issue..
Tetra Pak is swedish, not swiss
Exactly! Our countries are so often mixed up 😅
Yeah just like how once I sent a package to Austria it ended up reaching Australia.
It's a Swedish company headquartered in Switzerland you can't blame the average joe.
@@MayankPrasad111 9.5 million subscriber channel is not an average joe and should be held to a higher standard
I work for Encorp Pacific Canada, British Columbia's largest drinkable container recycler. I found this video very interesting. If we buy a product, its container must be recyclable. We have a long way to go, but slowly we're getting there.
3:49 OMG that peace symbol of buddhism marked at the breaker box, so based, hail art school
Sawastika Is also a holy symbol in Hinduism, crazy that some people link it with Hakenkreuz due to misunderstandings!
Incredible. I love these world wide waste series, i learn and am inspired so much
Sorry to say, but it is not recycling, it’s downcycling. Kudos for the effort. But we should give up on most plastics, specially multilayer hard to recycle plastics.
Agreed, the washing it with water which is probably rinsing off microplastics in an environment, all the fuel cost to get it there all the fuel cost to process etcetera
And replace it with what? Multilayer (MLP) is often demonized but imagine a world without it! The documentary is about chips but MLP is used to extend the shelf-life of all manner of food & drinks. Inherent tamper-proof properties also ensures food safety. Short shelf-life results in greater food waste & food insecurity! Imagine if there were no MLP tetra packs keeping crucial items like UHT milk drinkable for months at ambient temperature. There would be global nourishment deficit affecting the most vulnerable in society! Sure some packaging can be switched to glass & aluminium but the carbon cost of making, recycling & transporting them will also have a negative affect. I'm not saying MLP doesn't have its downsides but all packaging materials do. More research should be spent of developing materials that are easier to recycle or at least downcycle!
people need to stop buying this kind of product first then maybe manufacturer will stop using plastic, it easier said than done.
@@allouttabubblegum1984 I was thinking the other day how wasteful we make everything out of plastic. I would love to see a reduction in using plastic in everything and stop making as much junk that we do currently. If oil is slowly running out until it replenishes then we should try and make it last us.
@@aimansoul If everyone stopped buying stuff like this overnight there would be mass starvation across the world, for real. It would require an entire re-working of the global economy and systems of agriculture to move away from using modified starches, high-fructose corn syrups and other ultra-processed food ingredients. In the US 80% of the national diet is ultra-processed foods, and that all requires single-use plastic packaging to be shelf-stable enough to be "economically viable". To replace that all with whole foods and cooking from scratch would take decades. Saying "people need to stop buying this kind of product" is asinine. There isn't enough other food products for people to buy instead to feed themselves even if enough people did try.
it's very inspiring to hear of proper startup projects like Without from countries that are normally considered quite impoverished. like, when you think "India", atp you think tech support scammers and other sorts of shady, seedy operations. it's good to see that changing
They still top the list of scammy operations, but it's a huge country.
@@gy2gy246 >they still top the list of scammy operations<
yes, but it's good to see people starting operations that profit based on honest work
That factory is also a microplastic generator. How do they clean it up?
As mentioned above, here's some context on the microplastics thing: we shred the MLP to reduce the overall bulk density (volume) of the material to allow us to process larger quantities, making it more economical. Most of the microplastics you see (~99%) end up being extruded into high quality material that can be used in premium applications where conventionally virgin plastic is used. We are also working on minimizing the stray ~1% microplastics by increasing particle size and minimizing air exposure. All our colleagues are also given N95 masks (many choose not to wear these, but we are mandating them). It's not perfect, but we are trying! And all this feedback is helpful.
There is so much plastic and garbage that it can be burned and used as free energy, Germany has an incinerator that burns plastic to nothing but carbon and c02 but dont fogot about our precious invisible force field that we must protect to keep rich people from getting too sweaty, so you might as well just shut up and deal with everything being poisoned..
@@ashaya.without thank you so much for all the effort, this inspires me a lot
@@ashaya.without Thanks for replying! What I meant is the stray microplastic since by scooping and moving the shredded MLP alone, for example, we can see that your employees spread those microplastic particles everywhere onto the factory floor like at 4:41 onwards.
@@hitthedeck4115 Your concern is valid and you are right, all plastics once made will turn into smaller and smaller pieces of plastic and they do this whether handled, processed or even left alone. It's called plastic shedding and it's a problem the manufacturers should ultimately deal with. If they were charged with cleaning up after their mess it would cost so much to remove it all from the environment it would bankrupt them and they wouldn't be able to make anymore. That's the kind of regulation the world needs over these corporations.
Most important is finding those possible recycle loops, not handling trash and using it in a completely different product. It's well done work, but the goal ought to be real recycle within a product market.
How pathetic that people would choose a quiet chip bag over everyone's survival.
When I was an Instacart shopper a lady had order a 36 count carton of eggs, which were out of stock. I replaced them with the next cheapest option which was the store brand egg cartons which just happened to be cage free.
She went on a tirade in the chat session about how she wasn’t going to spend her money on any stupid liberalism and insisted on industrial farmed eggs from cramped cages, so she ended up paying more for “Eggland’s Best” eggs because she couldn’t handle the thought of chickens being allowed to see daylight.
Civilization is screwed.
It sounds petty but it was actually astoundingly loud, like actual firecrackers. If you want chips, touch the bag and the entire house/office can hear it that's actually an unusable product.
@@cruisinguy6024 LOL - them expensive "woke" chickens gonna just ruin her life! 🤣🤣🤣
And throwing these bags in landfill isn't actually a big problem. There is a lot of empty wasteland to burry stuff like this. They don't leak toxins. They just sit underground doing nothing.
No ones survival is threatened by them.
@@cruisinguy6024 Jokes on her silly ass 'cause Eggland's Best has cage-free eggs. Consumer politics gone mad.
it's not much but it's honest work. Congrats guys! It takes hard work and determination!
Some ignorent people are saying why there is swastik symbol well illiterates swastik is a symbol of peace and prosperity in Hinduism for 5000 years grow up
yes its important to tell the difference from the nazi one
yeah its a super powerful symbol for more than 5000 years many more and it is found in every single ancient community worldwide, thats why it was allowed to be perverted by the same sick people in charge now
@@Pipinghotitea Both the left and right facing are sacred.
It's frustrating to me that here in the US some Hindi friends have been harassed for decorations ~inside their home~ (but visible from the open door) while the various crosses the Nazis used are perfectly okay to put up in the yards (and even protected BY LAW) and wear on clothing of neighbors.....
It’s also a very effective building design, especially for a large family.
@@mwater_moon2865The Iron cross is still seen as a Symbol of the German military before the Nazis. Its like Saying Rainbows belong to the pride community.
The Swastika became THE NAZIS symbol. Its a Symbol in the west Iconic to them. You aren't changing that in the Western Mind anytime soon.
years back here in the Philippines, there was a trend that people would cut this type of "aluminum foil bags" (now known to me as MLP) and sell for like $20 per kilo, it was 20 years back so it was a substantial amount for those who stays at home at the time, most people don't have the patience though to collect these plastic bags and cut it to small pieces which they said to be used as pillows
BI should get a lot of these entrepreneurs together for a conference. I bet if those brains worked together, they could go further on a lot of these experiments.
Those who usually dont think the same are often the genius in solving problems that normal people dont care❤
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What's the co2 footprint of this process and how does it compare to incineration?
wise question. And thoese glasses will be the garbage of the future, and they are not recyclable.....
The CO2 footprint is roughly the same as the number of obese people that buy snack foods..
Great question! We have conducted an independent ISO certified life cycle analysis (LCA) for this, and our process in the pilot scale (only 50kg/day) will have a negative Carbon footprint. That obviously doesn't make sense intuitively, we do use energy in our process, but it takes into consideration avoided emissions as well (from virgin plastic product and bad incineration). Incineration, if done well, can be an interesting solution, but it's a destruction of value. And more often than not, incineration is not done properly, leading to release of toxic greenhouse gases and particulate matter. Our goal is to extract value (materials) from this MLP and use them over and over again. Sunglasses is just a proof of concept, but they are in fact more recyclable than conventional sunglasses because you can recycle our material in conventional PP or PE streams. Our solution is not perfect, but we are trying to look at holistically!
@@ashaya.without I assume you represent the company. That's indeed not intuitive, considering that the footprint of small plastic things is generally small. Is this published anywhere?
It would guess it is very much assumption-depndent. For example, what about avoided emissions from gas mining to fuel power plants through the use of incineration?
Anyways, so long that the free market decides, let all the flowers bloom...
Serously!!! how is everything being poisoned with plastics and chemicals better than the planet heating up a few degrees?
Recycling plastics need to go thru several processing and uses huge amounts of chemicals, using significant energy and water. Is it really worth it? And where does the chemical treatment solvents, which most are toxic and non-biodegradable, go to? Recycling and re-using is commendable, but not a real solution, at most it's just a delay in disposal. What's needed are replacements for plastics and other non-biodegradable materials, which are truly environment friendly, and a drastic reduction of plastic use.
and ppl not to complain about the noise a bag makes.
Solution: Don’t use landfills!!! INCINERATE!
ARE YOU SAYING CLEANING UP THE OCEANS ISN'T IMPORTANT? 😢
Cuz you're not going to be able to stop big business. 😅
@@TheBooban I agree. But the ruling class don't want us to do that, at least in the USA. That would be free electricity. Tesla wanted to give us free electricity, look how they crushed his idea since the 40's. I know in Malaysia they burn trash for free electricity.
Not true! The hardest part of recycling plastics is classifying the type of plastic being used! Once classified the recycling process is relatively cheap & cost efficient. Plastics are water & solvent resistant hence need only need water & detergent to clean. Things get difficult/impossible when there are several types of plastics being used in 1 product like multilayer plastics discussed in the documentary. Compare this to high heat & chemical cost of recycling aluminum, glass or paper! Glass & aluminium have much higher melting points then plastics so require a lot of energy to recycle. Paper is very porous so it absorbs whatever it was holding & needs a lot of water & bleaching chemicals to recycle.
Decades ago I watched a news clip on man-made landfills. The image of truckloads of waste being hauled to already mountainous landfills stuck in my mind. Since then I have also been stuck with reusing the same plastic storage bags multiple times. After watching this, no more store-bought chips.
What exactly is wrong with mountainous landfills? The romans made a mountain of old clay pots.
@@donaldhobson8873 What are the differences between clay and plastic?
What happens when the landfills run out of space?
@@NotaPizzaGRL The earth is really big. Running out of space won't happen any time soon. Most of the space deep underground isn't full of oil. There are way more places we can bury stuff than places full of oil. So we run out of oil long before we run out of landfill space.
There are many landfills near me that have a 100 year lifespan. When they are full they just go one canyon over and start filling that one up. They may not be nearby big cities but it's a better use of land that can't be built on or farmed.
@@donaldhobson8873 Are you comparing waste from Romans in year 400 to modern human world?
Is people like this that makes me stop wanting tu buy chips and stuff so I ca reduce waste. Thanks for the inspiration and thank you for taking care of our planet
Its all in vain when most food is thrown out unsold. It's nice there are people doing this still.
they are doing it to make money never forget
@@spiritseeker2831 So is every single one in this world. Everyone is doing something for bucks. To fill their stomach.
Overabundance is what keeps products cheap and affordable. That is the unfortunate reality of the modern world. If people really want to "fix" these issues, you go back a couple hundred years and leave the cities and go back to family farms you control fully. Be responsible for your OWN food production. Most people will never go for that, though.
Last I heard we make enough food to feed 11 billion people at present. There's 8.2 billion people globally and about 780 million people who go hungry each and everyday, so most food does get eaten not thrown out. But still you're right, too much does get wasted and too many go hungry as well.
@@orga7777 You make it sound like being responsible for your own food production necistates going back centuries in technology. It's tremendously easy nowadays to become more self-sufficient on a small holding with less effort than it took our ancestors, by using modern techniques, equipment and varieties. The problem as ever is having access to the land in the first place, and of land/wealth ownership in general.
The agronomy is quite separate from post-scarcity economics though. We could have both family farms and overabundance.
We need more people like Anish . These things outlive , so the sooner we find an alternative the better.
Less than 3 kg of crisp packets a day is not much at all.
Empty bags don't weigh that much
I would love to buy his sunglasses. This guy deserves more support!!
What's the brand of that glasses, I mean the company name
I never understand why they don't just put the damn information in the description. His name is Anish Malpani, and the brand is called Without.
@@purplepotato8849 true
@@purplepotato8849Their sunglasses are cool too.
Are you in India? Otherwise, the sunglasses are not accessible to us.
@@purplepotato8849 If you do that it will be obvious this is all about producing a product based on virtue signalling and not actually helping the environment. In fact, the real goal here is to give the people who make these bags the opportunity to say, "We don't need to change out product, look here to see how it is recyclable!"
Tetra Pak is a Swedish company, not Swiss. Its headquarters was moved to Switzerland for tax reasons.
Thank you for share the story. Its really inspiring! They are *the* hero without cap.
The sunglasses are... pointless? Will never scale to any significance. Why not just focus on on the filament stage, where it could be sold en mass for 3d printing/injection molding.
Probably the filaments were too weak to be printed. And sunglasses have better margins.
I don't work there, but my suspicion is that "plastic pellets, but they are recycled (so a bit less robust) and also more expensive" is a pretty tough sell for the injection molding industry, and so consumer products like sunglasses are a much easier thing to pay the bills with (higher margins, less picky buyers) until the process can scale to a point of profitability, if ever. 3D printing suffers from the same concerns but I also generally doubt it's a good thing to optimize for - 3D printing generates a surprising amount of waste itself!
Probably because they'll end up being more expensive and lower quality than virgin materials. The plastic industry as a whole tends not go give a shit about anything but profits, and with virgin materials they can still put "99% recyclable" (lots of people won't tell the difference) on their products and produce them cheaper.
We could somewhat reduce the amount of bags that go into the waste bin by solving the biggest problem with bagged chips. And that is to fill up the bag twice as much so you aren't scammed with half a bag of air!
12:18 focusing on the sound it makes by handling it in an absurd way is soooo dumb.
It was SO infuriating
True, but welcome to the average consumer. It's amazing how egregious abuses are tolerated, but a bag that's a little noisy is an automatic nope.
Of course it was a women , and yall want a women president ? you idiots
Here's a simple solution: Open the bag, grab a bowl from the cupboard, pour the contents into the bowl, and eat from there.
No extra noise, just the sound of crunching and smacking from the kids ;-)
Your presentation is so captivating; I couldn’t take my eyes off the screen.
People are focused on the sunglasses but not the potential that's entailed.
Amazing! I hope they can scale up one day! I would love to buy these
Popular with consumers? As if we have a choice.
Corporations need to pay for their garbage. Not the consumer. Dump your garbage on city hall.
No one is holding a gun to your head... if you don't like it don't buy it... the industry will follow the market... not hypocrites..
@@DoktorBayerischeMotorenWerke "the industry will follow the market... not hypocrites." I need to remember that line.
Will's narration here is like a hybrid between the gentle soothing tone of Baumgartner Restoration with the delivery and cadence of Huggbees, I love it lol
Spend all this effort just to make recycled material that uses 70% or more energy than making the material from scratch?? Incinerate the trash and also get electricity out of it. Wow.
Incineration produces a lot of air pollution and greenhouse gases. The best thing to do is to get the corporations to change their packaging.
As mentioned above, we have conducted an independent ISO certified life cycle analysis (LCA) for this, and our process in the pilot scale (only 50kg/day) will have a negative Carbon footprint. That obviously doesn't make sense intuitively, we do use energy in our process, but it takes into consideration avoided emissions as well (from virgin plastic production and bad incineration). Incineration, if done well, can be an interesting solution, but it's a destruction of value. And more often than not, incineration is not done properly, leading to release of toxic greenhouse gases and particulate matter. Our goal is to extract value (materials) from this MLP and use them over and over again. Sunglasses is just a proof of concept, but they are in fact more recyclable than conventional sunglasses because you can recycle our material in conventional PP or PE streams. We have even managed to recycle our material 10 times in our lab without significant change in properties. Our solution is not perfect, but we are trying to look at holistically!
@@e.cambay5263 And then everyone complains more because their product doesn't last as long and is more expensive. There is no replacement for plastic at this point. The genie is out of the bottle.
Sell products in reusable containers like milk delivery used to
@@minitea4315 Do you want to spend an extra $4 on milk? Cause you can do that. Just buy stuff like Oberweiss. Just don't complain about it later.
Interesting... I actually work at an Plastics recycling company and the bags, at least here in Austria/Europe are mixed with other plastics packaging. Usually its PP so we just shred, wash and extrude it together, as some foil with all the cups and boxes actually makes the material more usable for some of our clients. Filtration during the extruding process separates some of the metal along with other impurities and while it still does produce waste, its at least not 100% of the bag that goes into a furnace... we also recently got a new sorting facility which could detect and separate em, if not right now it would only need some training of the AI software, though im (not yet) involved into all that as we're still in the finalizing process...
Experts: burn it!
Thank you for that minute-long intro explaining how bags hold chips.
Meh, quantity is tiny, process is expensive and slow.
Also doesnt adress the main problem that were still making unrecycble trash and large companies are doing nothing about it because its not regulated enough
@@Knifity Exactly how I feel about this whole thing, too. Seems like no country in this world wants to do it, though.
Supermarkets in some places charge like £0.50 for a single plastic bag thinking it is going to reduce waste... They might as well introduce fully biodegradable or organic bags (e.g. made out of plant fibre) for a higher price.
Well, like pretty much all consumers, am powerless to do anything or have any sort of impact on this, unfortunately.
@@mabeSc actually charging for bags makes sense and prevents people from getting those and using their own bag. There will always be people that don't care though, but that is often the issue of lacking education by the country
That’s my hand! 😃🖐️ @12:36
3:49 on the electrical box. I know its good luck for them, but you can't unsee that.
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Bruh i had to take a second look too😂
you will see that symbol commonly all across India, often in thousand year old carvings on temples.
was looking for that comment haha
We have been using Ridwell. I feel good because they take the multi-layer and plastic film and turn it into other products.
As someone who works in the polymer manufacturing industry, they should absolutely wear respirators with proper fit tests and cartridges. Those masks are a joke and these workers WILL eventually have health issues. In the US, this whole operation would be shutdown and the owners would be heavily fined, and possibly even criminally prosecuted. Nothing like inventing technology that is good for the world that kills your workers.
I too was worried about the health of the workers
Very respectable research.
"Feelgood" stories about "recycling" from places like India are always just a story about dumping and tragic working conditions. This is just a sad story.
I think part of the issue is that we need these solutions for when there is no other option but to use these packaging, but there is a massive overuse of them so the problem is just growing bigger everyday.
We need to reduce first then reuse what we can't reduce and the finally recycle what's left.
There needs to be higher use of reusable packaging at supermarkets where you can bring your reusable (sealable) container instead of buying chip packets
There was also mention of the massive amounts of energy needed to recycle all of these, though I was glad to see that they mentioned that this was only profitable when the companies who are causing the problem are funding the solutions.
Stop mixing Sweden with Switzerland. Tetra pak is Swedish and now Swiss.
They've been headquartered in Switzerland since the early 90s... In fact, very little of their business has anything to do with Sweden anymore.
Wow, that is really something, kuddos to Anish and his team
If you can't recycle a product or make it biodegradable then you should be allowed to manufacturer it.
People complained about the Sun Chip bag for being loud? I loved that bag and I didn't even know it was compostable PLA.
This is a sponsored video from big oil, right?
Very good reporting! Thank you for making this.
Why is it always Indians with Business Insider?
easy & cheap to film there lol
Try getting a behind the scenes video filmed in an American warehouse
@@Tonyhouse1168 There are plenty of those.
Tetra Pak is actually a Swedish company, but has their main office in Switzerland.
Ahhhh. CRISPS. I thought this was about computer chips
crisps is the british english term for fried potato slices, i think business insider usually uses the american english variant since thats where most of their viewers are from.
Computer chip bags
Fun Fact: Most oft those printed multilayered packages are more expansive than the product inside.
Wtf I thought they were just aluminum.
aluminum foil for baking is pure, very easy to tear
Excellent video! I knew a lot about Anish’s work and still learned a lot!
3:48 ...there is a Swastika on the wall.
It's a several thousand year old symbol for peace and good luck in India. They're all over the place over there, and have nothing to do with the mustache man.
Read the Wikipedia page on it
I fry my own chips, and am at peace with nature.
It's fairly simple to just peel, slice, wash, mix with spices and deep fry the chips !
For planned travel, make some beforehand and store in airtight container - simple !!
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Love recycling series. Please, do these more often.
random swastika at @3:48
i think its a religious symbol, nothing to do with nazis
It's a common Hindu symbol and has no anti semitic connotations.
Check out the Wikipedia page to learn more about
Thanks to those who works on the solution.