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- I'm at the top of Mount Evans, more than 14,000 feet - 4.3km - above sea level. This is definitely a mountain: but why doesn't the smaller summit next to it also count? Let's talk about prominence. (Just not for too long, I'm getting low on oxygen.)
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Please keep any "getting high in Colorado" jokes in this thread. (And yes, I forgot to tuck away my headphone wire - that's so I can listen to the microphone output and catch any wind noise. The wind was brisk up there!)
wow
Looks beautiful!
come get high with me in denver
How'd ya like my home state? Been to Boulder?
There's a train to the top of Pike's Peak in Colorado Springs. Take that to the doughnut shop at its summit :)
This is peak Tom Scott right here.
If you zoom in far enough, even the smoothest objects get bumpy, so from the perspective of bacteria, everything is a mountain.
MinuteEarth Minute Earth and Tom Scott? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS.
MinuteEarth -When are you going to do another collaboration with Tom Scott again ?
And I loved all you videos!
Loving the pun
A new high
I made it a tradition to once a year climb 天保山, Mount Tenpō in Ōsaka. If you managed to make it to the summit you could get a commemorative "climbing certificate" from the Mount Tenpō Mountaineering Club (which also had a Mount Tenpō Rescue Team). Sadly it seems that is no longer possible.
Mount Tenpō, which is indeed officially recognized as a "mountain" by the Geospatial Information Authority of Japan ... has an elevation of 4.5 meters.
drmr I must learn more about this.
I really want a Tom Scott video about this!
Must be a toughie to summit
J
I hear Disney World is going to build a ¼ scale replica of 天保山 with a tram up to the top.
when is a waterfall a waterfall and not a steep river?
billy billy Tom next month: "I'm at the highest waterfall in the world..."
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Probably when the stream starts separating into droplets like on a waterfall. Just a guess.
I would say if part of it is in freefall (accelerates at 9.8ms^2). That would depend on the depth because at one point it would just become an underwater cliff.
But then we have how far it has to be freefalling before it's a waterfall, which is better, but still not great
Did the people who checked your script read the bit where you mention the people who check your script?
well ... that would need another round of script checking, otherwise he would be lying about the people who check his scripts :D
@@HassanSelim0 This, however, can be fixed easily with a time machine.
@@OrangeC7 that moment when one of your comments is so old you feel like a smart alien perfectly impersonated you and wrote it on your behalf 😂
Script-checking recursion
@@HassanSelim0 I had this experience the other day. I was watching a vidoe that I thought was new but it seemed kinda familiar, I thought of something funny to comment but when I scrolled down to the comment section I had already made a similar comment 3 years ago
*_The most American mountain_*
the one that takes the least amount of effort to get to the top due to there being a road to the top.
Alpha Adhito
You mean there is a huge hangar with guns inside?
... with a McD's and Starbucks next door.
Alpha Adhito you mean there was a school shooting on that mountain?
I'd say that goes to Mount Rushmore.
Love your work.
You're taking this channel to new heights.
He continues to produce high quality content, that's for sure.
*Applauds*
The quality of his content continues to climb.
Especially when TH-cam quality is going downhill.
Out of all of Tom's best videos, this one is up there.
I hope the answer isn't "something bigger than a hill"
I was expecting this to be about that hill in England that needed, like 2 more feet to become a "mountain"
But this is cool too
AceRidesBikes that would only happen if Americans could label it.
Artemis Ares There was a movie back when Hugh Grant was popular and Colm Meaney was (IIRC) between roles in ST:TNG and ST:DS9, starring both of them in a story set in Wales during World War I. The town's "mountain" had been downgraded to a HILL by the government, and they called for Hugh Grant to re-measure it, because it was only 999 feet high. So the standard at that time for British peaks was 1,000 feet (about 270 m).
If you look it up, the dictionary definition is exactly this. ("A hill is smaller than a mountain" too). It's the same with creeks, streams and rivers; canyons, valleys and gullies, etc.
+Allan Richardson 1000 ft = 305 metres approx NOT 270!
304 metres is 998 ft.
3'3" to a metre!
As someone who studies geography, i can confirm us humans pretty much "choose" what is a mountain.
Prominence is a way to justify out thinking. But it's a hard concept to nail down.
Well, it is the same mess in biology, no reliable definition of species, cell, nor the life itself. I mean, usually it is quite obvious, but the edge cases are way too often arbitrary, made to suit the scientists who studied particular thing and are not universal....
Well we define them to serve our purposes anyway, as long as it does that it's good enough. Universal definitions are good but I can't see them being defined so easily for something as "fuzzy" as nature, we will get closer and closer as we learn more, however.
Maybe it'll be easier to nail down if you nail down those who disagree with you as well.
@@NetAndyCz Why don't you have the so called 'edge cases' as a separate species?
@@Anonymous-df8it They can be, but it is problematic, check ring species for example. The end populations behave as separate species against each other, but there is a continuous series of neighbouring populations that belong to the same species.
"What counts as a mountain?"
Anything higher than me. Sincerely, a Dutchman.
I like how this has 2 different valid interpretations
@@bdbailey wow. its almost like thats the joke
Well, considering that you have an international airport in the exact place where a naval battle was fought
Does that mean Sea Level is a mountain?
@@sorrowandsufferin924 we're tall, but not that tall! Anything above 3metres below sea level is a mountain.
For anyone that is unaware too, when Tom mentions Elbert being the tallest mountain, it is actually in a constant battle for being the tallest with Mount Massive, a summit visible across the range from the top of Elbert. Each mountain has a pile of rocks near the summit that hikers who make it up can place a rock on to keep the “battle” going :D
That battle hasn’t been going on since the 1930s
youtubers: *sits in their rooms and films videos*
tom: *climbs a mountain for a 3 minute video*
Damm I was up there just a few weeks ago; we should have met up!
Next time You're around we should meet up! Kinda want to inquart some 24k items i have
I love randomly finding you on these 2 year old science videos!
"The world's most American mountain... because there is a road to the top of it."
Hahaha, that was great. Please never stop making videos!
I think that's out of his control.
He stopped
Having gone there twice, I feel like Pike's Peak might have to be the second most American mountain. It's another of our "fourteeners," and it has a train that runs all the way up to the summit. The coolest part is that, since the incline is so steep (up to a 9% grade!), the train has to use special extra gear-shaped wheels whose "teeth" perfectly mesh with the "teeth" on a special extra rail. Otherwise it would slide backwards! It's called a cog railway, if you're interested.
It turned out Tom was quite interested
@@TheGreatsagegoku Did he upload a video on this? How is it called?
there is a train on pikes peak? maybe there are two for some reason but I Dont recll seeing a train when I climbed it a few years ago tbh. Plus the sides were too steep most of the way around the mountain for anything let alone a train, try like 70% grade for about two thrids of the mountain's sides
I thought you're gonna say it's american because they made pike's peak a hill climb racetrack
Mt Tamalpias, in Marin County, is then likely to be the third American mountain.
"What be countin' as a mountain?"
-Cap'n Tom Scott
I did this hike. We didn't know there was a road at the top and after hours of scrambling over rocks it gave us a good laugh.
It’s a lot more fun doing the actual hike tho (I’ve done both hike and road). Also it’s thougher but more scenic starting from Echo lake/Chicago lakes
@@H7B2ify I can't imagine why hiking up a mountain would be tougher than driving up it on a road.
The Colorado 14ers are ranked based on a 300-ft prominence rule, oddly enough, which is actually more than plenty
We've been having a cutoff debate on the 3000m (9842ft) mountains of South Africa. The widely accepted list here uses 50m (164ft) prominence, which is clearly too little. I personally subscribe to the 7% of height definition (with a 200m/656ft minimum) that was used to classify the Himalayan mountains. With a 7% (200m min) definition, there are roughly 334000 mountains on earth based on satellite data - so the definition definitely isn't too strict.
I need to go watch "the Englishman who went up a hill and came down a mountain" now.
We've no learning, and most people say we're twp. But we're not so twp as to not know that we're twp
Tom Scott uploaded, followed by Vsauce. It's Christmas.
Too bad the Vsauce video was just math, though.
ikr! same thing I though!
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*Maths
Transylvanian, if the math was actually interesting, and not boring and simple, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Most people do need more math education, but the way to get people to actually remember what they've learned is to show them how it's interesting. You might be one of those people in need of more math education, considering the only intellectual channels you're subscribed to have little to do with math.
When you're Dutch, everything that isn't flat is a mountain. Bridges can be mountains too. These are facts.
Tom Scott: Tells the height in Feet
Me: *_O M A N_*
Also Tom Scott: Converts the height to Kilometers (in One Take) so I don't have to convert
Also Me: *_Y E M E N_*
Nice mountain pun
I don’t get it
@@husseinoskovjino9398 oman and yemen are mountainous countries in thr south of the arabian penisula
@@AjarTadpole7202 Oman is more to the east.
When I grew up in Kenya, anything under about 9,000 ft was a hill. Now, in eastern Canada, we have 1200 ft mountains.
"There are actually several different lines, because of course there are."
Heh. So true.
A mountain should probably require a minimum height, like 400m or so, and then have a prominence as a percentage of it's height. That's what makes sense to me.
the problem with this is that there are a bunch of mountains that are clearly mountains, but dont quite break this height since their base is near sea level
@@ciarangale4738 No, 400m is too small to be considered a moutain imo. In my experience the shortest mountain (that looked like a mountain) I've seen is about 650m and it started from sea level
@@calumcaldwell9439 i guess at this point it becomes a matter of opinion
@@calumcaldwell9439 As a child I had 2000ft asl as a basic qualification.
The Gaelic and Skandic languages have a massive vocabulary to classify and describe hills and mountains.
Some are so precise that you will know that you are looking at the one you want just from it's name.
In the UK it's about 380m I think.
This is by far the best and easiest explanation of prominence I've ever seen. Thanks, Tom!
This is sort of similar to measuring the coastline problem. Depending on how you define "a mountain" you get different results, just like the length of the coastline varies with the stick you use to measure it.
I once climbed Mount Dora in Florida. Altitude is 147 feet above sea level. The hardest part was the descent. Many souls never made it down...eaten alive by the dreaded Florida Fire Ant.
*Me clicking on the link(
"Go on, Tom... tell me what classifies as a mountain ya bloody fountain of knowledge"
Oh hey! I hope you enjoyed your time in Colorado and successfully avoided altitude sickness. For sea-level dwellers, it can come on surprisingly fast.
I love your videos because they're short and to the point. I usually catch one when I don't have much time but I want to learn something quickly. Thank you for all that you do 😁
My family and I were visiting colorado about 10 years ago and drove up a mountain. Your shot from the top confirmed which it was for me, as I had forgotten. Thanks!
The highest mountain in my country is 312m high...
TRASH PANDA that's a hill though
In mine it's 173 metres.
tu esi latvietis?
Mine 2460 meters
tallest is 318 metres for me.
Volcanic peaks are usually called mountains regardless of height. There are some awfully small mountains that have the name for this reason. The city of Auckland in New Zealand is built on a volcanic field of many unusually small volcanic peaks and consequently there are a large number of mountains contained within the city.
Two of my favorite TH-camrs upload at the same time !!
What a happy feeling!!☺
I've only seen two of your videos so far. That's not enough for me to subscribe yet, but I am THOROUGHLY impressed with your work. Thank you.
Thank you, Tom. I often find myself thinking "Is this a hill or a mountain?"
Once international travel is possible again, Tom needs to come to Mount Wycheproof in Australia, which the locals claim is the "Smallest registered mountain in the world".
Once again has Tom managed to take a subject that I'd consider boring and make interesting. I love this!
Another informative and enjoyable video Tom. Please keep up the good work!
How was the car trip? With an engine sucking in air that has 60% oxygen compared to on sea level they loose power to. Everything looses power as they go up.
With a modern car any change would have been barely noticeable, if it was noticeably at all, as all the computers would have controlled the fuel mix to try and keep things running the same.
Masticina Akicta its not bad at all
i've been on that mountain. I could hear the engine under stress but the temperature did not go high
except Sherpas, those guys just keep going, in fact i heard they get sick when they come close to sea level, like they are breathing in too much oxygen.
Masticina Akicta I've done it, as long as you don't race to the top, there is no difference. I bet a pikes peak hill climb style car would have issues though.
Tom, you should come to Mount Monadnock, the most climbed mountain in the world! (That people actually climb, Fiji claims to be the most but they have a train thingy so they don't count)
I've hiked up to the peak twice!
In terms of prominence, a monadnock is any isolated hill or erosion-resistant rock rising out of a surrounding plain.
Also, three summits here!
I was skeptical about that thing it's the most climbed -- until I got to the top and there were 2 bus-loads of people there already. It's quite a slog, but on a super-clear day the view is mountainously worth it.
Heads up, in spite of this video having shown up in my subscribed video list, once I came here, I wasn't subscribed any more and the notifications were off as well. And I watch every one of your videos!
I remember climbing Storm King Peak, a very rugged and intimidating Colorado 13er, with my dad when I was 10 or 11. We had to park at some location 5 or 10 miles away and spend a day hiking just to get to the bottom of the visible peak. The day after that was spent scaling up endless rock fields and crevices. All in all, the view from the top was breathtaking and I'll never forget it. Oh and we also did Mt. Elbert a few days before that.
Minute physics also did an interesting video about measuring mountains against sea levels. I would never have thought of all the problems with that
Loving the audition for the reboot of the Englishman Who Went Up A Hill And Came Down A Mountain
such a pleasure to watch your videos! Bright people are still around!
Best channel ever! Thanks for all the information and knowledge!
Does that make the Summit the Meyer - Womble observatory is on The cliff that refuses to be a cliff?
Everyone obviously knows the height requirement for mountains, is 147 meters! How else would the glorious, awe inspiring, magnificent, Sky Mountain in Denmark be called a mountain?
That's the best thing i love abut your videos, not even 1 second into the video and you've already said a full sentence. 😁
It's nuts seeing a video about a place you've been to. I remember when I was a kid and my dad and I hiked up to the top of that mountain and stood atop that very same silver plate, and how eighth grade me felt so slighted upon learning that there were regular cars just chilling at the top, with most of the people up there not half as winded as I was.
The Englishman Who Went up a Hill but Came down a Mountain taught me everything I needed to know
1 million soon!
I love your videos and it’s so cool to see an “amazing places” video about my hometown
I cant tell if you're 16 or 60
I always wonder what a "mountain" is. I come from a very flat part of northern Germany and when there's a hill taller than two meters, we're so exited and call it a mountain. Everybody there knows, what you mean and imagines a similiar kind of steep hill.
But I have a friend in Austria, who arguably has a very different image of "mountain" in her head. Now whenever I want to talk about the landscape of my home, I got some linguistic trouble: "hill" does not seem right to me, because these landscapes are higher and steeper than I consider a "hill" to be, but I cannot say "mountain" since my Austrian friend will then have a very, very wrong idea about how our landscapes actually looks.
That's always a little frustrating. But also shows the power and in this case the subjectivity of language.
I hope you had a great time in Colorado. Though I am a little surprised you went to Mt. Evans, and not Pikes Peak, as it helped inspire Katharine Lee Bates to write America the Beautiful. Both are beautiful places to visit.
CONGRATS on 900K subs! Keep making me feel smarter each day😁
Wow great going, Tom climbed a pretty big mountain... Oh..oh wait.
With clearly visible mountains and valleys, I still don't understand those silly people insisting that Earth is flat. At this point +Tom Scott 's lungs would certainly contend that it's not.
I think they mean flat meaning "not a globe" and not "without elevation"
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uh-huh
#ThatTimeMyJokeFailed
MrNobodyX3 I agree with you
I had mild altitude sickness last year in Tibet. Great fun. Took a while to climb the Potola Palace. The train to get to Tibet is the world's highest railway, reaching 5072 metres at Tanggula Pass.
Welcome to Colorado! hope you enjoyed your stay!
Tom: I hope you read this, maybe you will find it interesting. The place where you are standing and filming at 1:56 is the exact spot I proposed to my wife in 2012 :)
Anyone else think he was going to say "I'm at the summit of Mt. Everest" and then get a tad bit disappointed that he said "Mt. Evans" instead?
I'm pretty sure if he was at the summit of Mt. Everest, he would be wearing much more than just jacket and sweatshirt.
that's clearly not the summit of Everest haha
Geoffrey Brunell I don't think he'd need anything more than what he's already got on. Just look at the video he did on an arctic glacier in just his t-shirt.
Are you being serious right now? In that video it was only 15 C, but temperatures on Mt. Everest are pretty much always below zero. Plus, the air pressure up there is only one third that of sea level, so he would also need an oxygen mask.
No I'm not being serious. But I do have to wonder where you're getting 15 C from. The park bench video shows most of the people around Tom are wearing winter jackets that would be murder in 15 C
This is my favorite type of Tom Scott video
I have wondered about this for years. Not enough to investigate though. Thank you Tom!
I've been wondering why the thumbnails have a red left border. Ocassionally when scrolling through my feed, I see the red in the thumbnail and think I've already watched the video. Does this happen to anyone else?
yepp it means you've atleast started the video
No I'm not talking about the bar on the bottom, or at least, what I mean is that I mistake the red border on the left of Tom's videos to mean I've already clicked the video. I've got like a hundred videos in my feed everyday and its impossible to watch them in any kind of order, so a flash of red tends to signify that I've watched it. I've glossed over a ton of Toms videos because of this, and I just wanted to know why Tom has red bordered or cornered in all his thumbnails. Though now that I'm typing this, its probably just to match his shirt.
I think it's part of Tom's "Things you might not know" branding…I haven't noticed it on other series but it might be there also.
Nope, the strip is on the left, not on the bottom
ToMeK3001pro some of his videos have it on bottom
Getting high in Colorado there tom?
Can confirm: Been up there. You get this weird dizzy sensation just walking around. Climbing even the near ADA compliant grade to get to the summit is a bit much for some people at that altitude. Yet, I was there during a cycle race. There is an annual event where cyclists start at a nearby town at the base of the mountain, ride to that parking lot, then ride back down. No idea how they do it.
Love Tom Scott's videos
Wasn't this one of the inciting incidents to the plot of The Englishman Who Went Up A Hill And Came Down A Mountain? And was that inspired by real events? I can't exactly remember. Back when Hugh Grant still had an international movie career.
Tom Scott makes the best videos on the Yotube
Haven't discovered Isaac Arthur's channel yet?
Im addicted to that Wascally Wabbit
all relations are worthless without the measurement of goodness elevation. do you guys pay any attention at all? :)
Khan Singh who makes the best in TH-cam tho
I love mount evans. I live in Boulder CO and have been there a few times, last winter 60mph winds broke my tent at 12,000 feet. near the summit is some of the best bouldering around
Glad you got to visit one of my favorite places. I'm fortunate to live about an hour from there and visit it often. I live at 9,000 ft altitude, so it's not too difficult for me to acclimate to the 14,000 ft atmosphere.
I’d say Gregor Clegane definitely counts as a mountain.
Only while riding.
1:35 This definition seems to imply that Mt Everest is not a mountain, since there is no higher mountain to connect it to. I suppose that has to be a special case, and it's easy enough to add "or if it's the highest point on Earth" to the definition.
I suspect that's in the official definition somewhere and Tom is gisting the interesting part of the definition for us.
Well, if you take the definition in the video very literally, it says the prominence is how much you'd have to drop the sea level until you create a path to a taller mountain. Since there is no taller mountain on Earth, the sea level would have to drop indefinitely, and therefore Mount Everest has infinite prominence under this definition.
Mt Everest is ironically a base case :)
As always, SO GOOD :) Thanks, Tom
Seems like a really cool and relaxed place, i definitely want to go there!
"What Counts as a Mountain?"
Well, Sir Gregor Clegane certainly does
The Netherlands also has mountains...
how else would they be referred as "high all the time"?
Amsterdam is the highest place in the Netherlands.
If you know what I mean :)
Underwater mountains maybe.
But you call them windmills!
This was a really quality video, you've set the bar as high as a mountain! I hope you can live up to those heights!
Listening to you talk out of breath in this video actually made /me/ feel slightly out of breath, and I'm more or less at sea level :P
just saying hello from kliksphilip
1:52 what a fool
Was literally asking this question the other week in the lake District. Could not find an answer, thanks Tom
Great video! I wish I had seen it when it was released. I make videos in the Appalachian Mountains, which are tiny compared to the Rockies. But I run into issues all the time when trying to learn the names of the mountains, or where one begins and one ends. Then there's knowing the difference between peaks, knobs, grassy balds, and Sods. Different parts of the Appalachian Mountains refer to terrain features by different names. It can be confusing when you're visiting different ranges within the Appalachian Mountains. Still, great video!
What counts as a mountain?
A guy wielding a sword named Gregor Clegane with the nickname The Mountain
Nice video! But in this i saw too less of the red shirt...
Welcome to Colorado tom hope you enjoy your time in Colorado
Colorado! YEAAAAAH! You finally visited my state!
Tom Scott: "I'm here on top of Mount Ev...."
Internet: "EVEREST!!!!!!"
Tom Scott: "....Evans."
Internet: **silently crying**
"And nearly every mountain... is an edge case."
Boooooo
You flew to Colorado to talk about a mountain...
I'm impressed at your dedication...
Congrats for 900K!
How is tom's comment 18 hours ago if this was uploaded 3 minutes ago?
Uploaded in private mode then set to public
He set it to release to the public today....
He uploaded it long ago, but as a private video, and only just made it public
magic
How do you not know the answer if you've been on youtube for more than 3 minutes
Is Mount Evans Pikes Peak?
No, they are two separate mountains. Pikes peak also has a road that goes to the top of it.
Nope
Pikes Peak is actually lower, although it's a longer trail, which is why it's not the highest road. It is the highest gift shop, though.
Pikes Peak is west of Colorado Springs, while Mt Evans is west of Denver, making the peaks about 75 miles (more or less) apart.
Yeah! We have a LOT of 14ers in Colorado, 53 to be exact! Wow. And some people make it their life's goal to climb every single one of them!
Wow, I'd never even thought of this as a problem... Amazing video as always 👍
In an astonishing display of synchronicity, Tom published this video literally the very next day after my son and I drove over the Forest Canyon Overlook pass, which rises to 12000 feet and is in this general area I believe. We were (of course) in the USA for the eclipse, and I expect Tom was too, so... perhaps not THAT much of a coincidence I suppose :)
Does anyone else find that accent and Tom cute af?!