Oda Casually Retconned ALL of One Piece!

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  • @Potato_Papi_94
    @Potato_Papi_94 ปีที่แล้ว +742

    Now we understand why the World Government was so freaked out when Bonney escaped. She was the key to keeping a firm grip on Kuma, the ONLY reason he remained obedient.

    • @shino4242
      @shino4242 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Yeah, and Kumas Devil Fruit is OP as fuck AND he has ties to the revolutionaries. Losing Bonney must have been making them go "fuck fuck fuck get her back, get her back now or we're screwed"

  • @deving9799
    @deving9799 ปีที่แล้ว +534

    the Ace thing not seeing Sabo is probably because, like Luffy, he doesn't read newspapers

    • @arhamqamar7462
      @arhamqamar7462 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      we saw him read the newspaper and smile when Luffy became the "fifth emperoro of the sea" and also when sabo was accused of murdering cobra. maybe he started reading newspapers after ace died

    • @JollyFigNut
      @JollyFigNut ปีที่แล้ว +51

      @@arhamqamar7462 ...but those events happened after Ace was killed...
      EDIT: oh you're talking about Dragon but these events happened after Sabo gained his memories back, plus Ace never read the newspaper which is who they're talking about.

    • @birb9254
      @birb9254 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      sabo did see ace in the flashback, but the reason why sabo regained his memories in marineford was because the words sakazuki (sake cups ) and ace was on it

    • @tobiaswedin
      @tobiaswedin ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@birb9254 That has never been confirmed though, it's basically a head canon everyone has accepted for the copium left by a bad amnesia plot point.

    • @Ben-iz9ud
      @Ben-iz9ud ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@@arhamqamar7462he's not talking about sabo recognizing ace. He said ace doesn't read the paper just like luffy

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    Kuma had traveled all around the world to search for a cure for his daughter Bonney and imagine if he had unknowingly stumbled on Laugh Tale.... Only to turn around and leave as it's not what he was looking for.

    • @hannespeters1055
      @hannespeters1055 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      The treasure on Laugh Tale is a mirror.

    • @germansniper5277
      @germansniper5277 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@hannespeters1055 or a comic book

    • @brugdabidbrug3671
      @brugdabidbrug3671 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@hannespeters1055its a funny book about the tale of one piece, a bronze statue that looks just like luffy(a mirror) or a huge a treasure, or all the ponyglephs together, OR just alot of gold

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brugdabidbrug3671nah its joyboys afro

    • @DTPVH
      @DTPVH ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Laugh Tale doesn’t seem like the kind of place you can just stumble upon accidentally.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 ปีที่แล้ว +495

    Kuma is not just the stepdad of Bonney, he stepped up and ensured she is safe, healthy and happy even if it means sacrificing his humanity to do so.

    • @RonTheDumb
      @RonTheDumb ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Wherever I go, I see his face...

    • @tess4940
      @tess4940 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kuma also stepped down so…

    • @RaffiMiah
      @RaffiMiah ปีที่แล้ว +35

      One Piece is all about bonds that aren't built by being blood related. Kuma isn't her stepdad. He's her dad.

    • @KHRification
      @KHRification ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Calling Kuma "stepdad" feels like an insult. He's her real dad in everything but biology. He's the only real parent she's ever had. Calling him a stepdad just irks me.

    • @Soitisisit
      @Soitisisit ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, this makes me sad he didn't get to live and have kids of his own. While inherited will is more important than genetics, we need more people like him in the OP world and there's at least the hope that inherited lineage factor would come along with inherited will like it does in the Monkey family. ( At least, that's my take on it, the exact manifestation is wildly different between the three, but they've all got very similar core traits and motivations. ) It also would've been nice to have the happy married life AU for Kuma based on how we see him now. But hey, that's heroic tragedy for ya and he made the best possible out of what he got from fate and Bonney at least has ended up much the better for it so far. Time will tell what else becomes of it. Tbf, we see Oda present the antithesis of this idea of inheriting your will from your ancestors in Edward Weevil who I actually genuinely think is Newgate's albeit uh... probably under unwilling circumstance. She... seems like she'd do that. I still haven't seen enough of Weevil to know quite what to make of him. It's interesting how it presents both sides of the coin when it comes to the importance of blood kinship to family and the importance of bonds of love. Both are presented as valid in their contexts, but obviously the latter is far more emphasized. Probably the more important anyway, so.

  • @ziwelufefe8943
    @ziwelufefe8943 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I went over the chapter, and there's a panel where Dr vegapunk, Kuma, Sentomaru, Bonny, and Kizaru all dance to the drums of liberation. Everyone else betrays the world government, I thinkKizaru will too

  • @zuffin1864
    @zuffin1864 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    The thing about sabo is that oda coulda easily just made it to where sabo was saved by the revolutionaries, and realized he could begin his adventure with them, and wanted to wait and see his brothers when they were all out on their pirate journeys

    • @FrarmerFrank
      @FrarmerFrank ปีที่แล้ว +26

      My brother almost drown to death and had memory issues from oxygen deprivation
      Thing about abneisa is someone would immediately ask who they are and usually dont ask where they are off the bat
      My. Brother just didnt know the answers when asked by the lifegaurd, ambulace paramedic,and doctor

    • @FrarmerFrank
      @FrarmerFrank ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Typo, wouldn't ask unprompted who are they are

    • @devastatheseeker9967
      @devastatheseeker9967 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Sabo didn't remember Ace despite him being prominent because it was the shock of his death that triggered his memories

    • @meandmeself
      @meandmeself ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@FrarmerFrankthanks for sharing that with us

    • @yotuel9064
      @yotuel9064 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      All the answers about Sabo are easy. Sabo never existed.
      Oda have an idea of what Ace would do along the history and at one time decided to give us shock value. But doing that derailed all he already have prepared. So he make a third brother to pick some slack. One flashback later the history were on rails again.

  • @mittsmittsy9683
    @mittsmittsy9683 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    i think its important to remember that its not just the fact that sabo seen aces face and made the connection. it was moreso to do with ace - dead connection firing the neurons in his brain. for instance in the real world we see celebrities on the tv everyday and think no more of it but when we hear about a beloved actor’s passing we tend to feel more emotionally connected and tend to look back on old movies and memories associated with them. just a thought:)

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly. I think thats how oda looked at it aswell.

    • @rosarosaceae5396
      @rosarosaceae5396 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I suppose you could be partially correct, but the trigger was more who killed him and the fact that Luffy was pressent. The trigger was the names Ace + Luffy + Sakazuki. This is one of the things lost in translation. Luffy, Ace, and Sabo performed a Sakazuki ceremony to become brothers.

  • @romanseipert894
    @romanseipert894 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:12 I really appreciate the Baja blast reference. I'm not sure if this is a running gag I'm not aware of, but I appreciated seeing this in the background. Obviously franky runs on cola, so its funny to think someone took the liberty to assume Kuma runs on Baja blast

  • @mahmii0174
    @mahmii0174 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Drake made mention of the Pacifista using Kizaru's laser on Sabaody. That's probably why he was shown, to remind us that he was privy to the whole Pacifista development up to a point.

  • @samzheng5803
    @samzheng5803 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    0:54 yeah but no one knows that Dragon’s name is Monkey D Dragon. Even during Water Seven you had marines saying “I’ve never heard his full name before.”

    • @rujon288
      @rujon288 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      that's lower ranked marines higher ups definitely know i mean he literally served in the navy as the son of their hero.

    • @idiatico
      @idiatico ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@rujon288 we don't know that for sure though. its possible they knew but its also possible they didn't realise that low ranking son of Garp who left the marines is the same person as Dragon the revolutionary that started causing havoc years later. the only thing we know for sure is Sengoku figured it out before marineford.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@idiatico Maybe Dragon looked much cleaner and well kept

    • @tobiaswedin
      @tobiaswedin ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rujon288 He never said that he served the Navy, why does everyone seem to think so? Is no one in the OP community capable of reading? He said that he "spent time with the marines", which is completely different and not a phrase you'd use if you were actually part of the organisation. He probably grew up on a marine base since Garp is his father, but left as soon as he was old enough (and never actually joined).

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tobiaswedinThat could be true. But it could also be him simply being part of the marines. Garp never said that served the navy. Its always "Youre gonna become a marine" and not garp saying to luffy or ace "youre gonna serve the navy" so we cant tell especially not since its japanese and we only work with the translation. Yet crazy of you to assume that dragon never joined the navy

  • @RhetoricalRabbit
    @RhetoricalRabbit ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Sabo's amnesia could have been caused by Kuma - removing memories that were painful to reflect on or got in the way somehow. Did his memory coming back tie in with any Kuma related events that may count as 'death' or be a reason for taken memories to be ejected? Maybe the removal of all of Kuma's memories returned those not belonging to him to their original owners.

    • @evanhensley11
      @evanhensley11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh shit you’re right, probably like the way if somebody doesn’t take in pain that he removes going back to the original person it came from

    • @RhetoricalRabbit
      @RhetoricalRabbit ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@evanhensley11 Some fruits maintain after death, if all information given is accepted as true. Moria may likely have been lying about the shadows though, and / or perhaps Boa. It's only been mentioned a few times about post demise effect status for fruits I believe.

    • @ragingcow
      @ragingcow ปีที่แล้ว +1

      could be, but considering how sabo got hit so hard he was lect with a scar covering a quarter of his head, its more likely he just had brain trauma

    • @prn_97_
      @prn_97_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      kuma aint pudding bro

    • @RhetoricalRabbit
      @RhetoricalRabbit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@prn_97_ Even ignoring the illustrated paw shaped bubble of memories Oda showed us, that Kuma left behind himself, the fact he can eject intangibles such as pain would make memory a simple leap.
      I've always been curious as to whether he could push out devil fruit powers.

  • @Impbrush
    @Impbrush ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Fun fact, I read thriller Bark in isolation cause I wanted to see Brook earlier than I would if I read in order. It was a fun read minus Absalom. It really is hurt being between two juggernaut arcs. Though it has value since it shows how powerful the strawhats were as a unit at that point, they really felt unstoppable until a bear eager to show us an album of baby pictures slapped them all for bullying a rich kid.

  • @Spika94
    @Spika94 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I have never felt disappointed in Thriller Bark, it is one of my all time favorite arcs. It's a change of pace, different but familiar, it's fun, it's action packed, and it has great characters. I love this arc a lot.

    • @meandmeself
      @meandmeself ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Same it annoyed me when I started one piece how much hate skypeia and thriller bark got

    • @johnnoreau3570
      @johnnoreau3570 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@meandmeselfskypiea has always been my favorite arc

    • @wompus_king
      @wompus_king ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I like TB on my second read through. I didn’t start my initial full read through until post time skip, and it was a little slow in that aforementioned sandwich of arcs.
      But now I love it.

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@meandmeselfMan I started liking one piece after Skypiea bruh
      Specially the Noland backstory
      The only reason PPL don't like it is coz it feels like "filler" to them
      Man I also really loved Long Ring Long Land

    • @thalligator016
      @thalligator016 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think thriller bark is the weakest arc of the paradise saga, but then again all of these arcs are timeless classics so it's still a killer arc with a killer finale (and tons of foreshadowing)

  • @milovanaksentic602
    @milovanaksentic602 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Can we just appreciate that with each chapter of Kuma flashback, Kuma scene at Sabaody Archipelago hits so much harder. When he saved Luffy and his crew from being annihilate and send them to islands he been on his journey for them to get stronger. His last words;
    We shall never meet again. Farewell.
    So much were meant by that.

  • @jtthomas7349
    @jtthomas7349 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Whats heartbreaking is when you realize that pre mind wipe Kuma and Bonney were both on Sabody and either just missed each other or Kuma avoided her to protect her.
    I think Dragon is gonna show up after Luffy takes Saturn down. If he has the wind logia he could pop up literally anywhere anytime.

  • @paulsander3799
    @paulsander3799 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bonnie's piercing is the replacement for her 'jewels' as kuma dubbed them when she got cured.

  • @lucasbassan3092
    @lucasbassan3092 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I don't know if Oda actually said anything about not planning Bonney or Kuma beforehand. What he said is that he came up with the shichibukai and the supernovas on the fly, but that alone doesn't mean that all of those characters were created at the exact time he came up with those ideas, so it's very likely that Kuma, Bonney, and even some of the other warlords and supernovas were already planned in some way, and Oda just adapted them to fit the new idea.

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly+ Oda literally has 3 Assistants that help him, he wrote in an sbs that the 4 of them chill at his house and come up with stuff and they help him w backrounds and stuff, so I can imagine the boys sitting together thinking about a lit expansion of their characters and coming up with those characters, also the shishibukai were introduced in chpt 69 with Mihawk and Jinbei as confirmed Member, so oda had quite some time to think about the other 5. And their stories

    • @GoldCobra314
      @GoldCobra314 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Crocodile was planend from the beginning for sure

    • @jase276
      @jase276 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're pretty much his Vegapuk clones lol, keeping his ideas in check so he can come back to them later @@Ju-Peter667

    • @nyshyn307
      @nyshyn307 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a great point. It's realistic to think Kuma and Bonney had a million phases of development, as does every anime character, so the labels they came into the story with could've just been the most convenient over time

    • @joeyskywalker1322
      @joeyskywalker1322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nyshyn307No Bro Oda himself admitted that the only two Supernovas he had plans for was Law and Kidd but then his assistants recommended that he should make more pirates in Luffy era that’s how the supernovas came up but they wasn’t planned characters

  • @rovas19
    @rovas19 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I have a feeling that Kuma sought out Garp, because he’s still not fully a cyborg yet. As someone who knows of God Valley, and being Dragon’s father just to see how he could work under the Marines knowing about how the celestial dragons are and what constitutes following orders while not giving up morality.

  • @SamTheGumMan117
    @SamTheGumMan117 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luffy is out here chasing a tiger while Kuma admires a wholesome village and wants a drink from Makino xD

  • @senseidorsch3504
    @senseidorsch3504 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I don't understand why people can't just accept that Sabo was just a spontaneous idea from Oda at some point. Over the years we have now found out that One Piece should actually have been a shorter manga. The same with the 7 Warlords of the Sea.Or the Super Rookies. Can small errors therefore happen? Yes. Did Oda still manage to connect all the dots? Absolutely.

    • @wwe12153
      @wwe12153 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Because he can’t be a spontaneous idea since he was foreshadowed from Ace’s tatto

    • @wompus_king
      @wompus_king ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yes he can. Have you never lied to your parents? You use coincidental stuff to tie it all together. You make it work, lol.

    • @wompus_king
      @wompus_king ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It’s not conclusive evidence one way or another.
      It’s evidence! Yes! But not on its own conclusive.

    • @bdiax
      @bdiax ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@wompus_kingwhen you think you know more than the author him self 😂 most sane op fan btw 😭😭

    • @johndavidstoltzfus8921
      @johndavidstoltzfus8921 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I mean GLR also pointed out recently that Sabo was in Lougetown when buggy was trying to execute Luffy at Gol D Roger's execution platform. That's also backed up by the fact that Dragon was at Lougetown at the same time as well.

  • @worstinshow
    @worstinshow ปีที่แล้ว +28

    While I find it hard to believe that the idea for Sabo existed until very shortly before his introduction, but a couple of continuity snags aside I think that for the most part Oda has done a decent job of retrofitting him into the story.

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Facts hes now more important than ace couldve been. Atleast to the main story and its plot

    • @infamous_richard8732
      @infamous_richard8732 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats just wrong@@Ju-Peter667

    • @BarnysCrapKeller
      @BarnysCrapKeller ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Isn't Ace's tattoo the first hint we get for Sabo being in Odas mind early on

    • @joeyskywalker1322
      @joeyskywalker1322 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BarnysCrapKellertalking about Sabo being alive him being alive leaves to many plot holes the fact Luffy or Ace In previous news articles didn’t trigger his memories or the fact Ace didn’t see Sabo in the papers

  • @nukekilla432
    @nukekilla432 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ 5:19 is the greatest AQUA TEEN HUNGER FORCE refrence ever. Props to your channel artist's

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Alpha, the CP8 agent who was assigned to monitor Jewelry Bonney and keep her as insurance at Kuma over the deal he made, looks like Kalifa.
    I can't wait to see how Bonney manage to escape and sail the sea with her crew of Kuma's friends to become one of the Eleven Supernovas.

    • @ItachiUchiha_1724
      @ItachiUchiha_1724 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Its probably her mother
      The cp9 agents where children of cp agents
      Raised by the wg facilities
      This was 4 year ago so its not kalifla
      As she would be with cp9

    • @darrenheideman2546
      @darrenheideman2546 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ItachiUchiha_1724 Perhaps a sister, cousin, or aunt.

    • @arhamqamar7462
      @arhamqamar7462 ปีที่แล้ว

      bonney can just turn old and let conney take her place

    • @blockhead5013
      @blockhead5013 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To be honest I first misread her name as Alifa and thought that Khalifa had a sister:

    • @darrenheideman2546
      @darrenheideman2546 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blockhead5013 Who's to say she doesn't?

  • @Taoweee
    @Taoweee ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Ace did more in his flashback than he did I the story" so did Roger.... like father like son

    • @phonyalias7574
      @phonyalias7574 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ace's story has a few more holes in it though.

    • @Taoweee
      @Taoweee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phonyalias7574 hahahaha with a big one at the end

    • @GaionSputro
      @GaionSputro 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Taoweee GGGOOOAADD DDYYAAAAAAMMMNNN!!!!🤣👌🏻

  • @chaos4654
    @chaos4654 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:15 To be fair, "blond dude with a love of top hats" isn't exactly the most unique description. So if he ever paid attention to non-Pirate news, Ace might've never put together the much more detailed "my blond friend who wore a top hat, who is supposed to be dead" looks kinda like a kid version of this Revolutionary.
    *More* *importantly*... I'm not certain or remembering well, are we sure that Sabo went by "Sabo" while operating with the Revolutionaries?
    He could've been given a new name since he had amnesia, then got everybody to call him by real name.
    For the entire time he was a Revolutionary, up to his debute to the world as a major player, he could've been called....
    Dragon Jr.
    Boy/Man Marked by Flames
    Revolutionary Boy Blondy
    Ivankov Jr.
    Koala's Guy.
    Amnesia Head.
    Hatty Boy.
    maybe even Blondy.

  • @alphastar5626
    @alphastar5626 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:16 The Gorosei art of your designer cracks me up everytime 😂😂

  • @Quaznick_Ruttner
    @Quaznick_Ruttner ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For whirlpool theory, Kuma goes to village, Kuma finds baddy bad guy he must defeat, baddy bad guy escapes into sea, Kuma says "mate, that ain't gonna work", he flys into sky and Kuma paws sea, shockwave causes some rocks to shift a bit under Luffy without him seeing, and finally rocks fall to cause an opening in sea floor and make a whirlpool

  • @RCarteras
    @RCarteras ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think maybe the 6th is York and not Shaka. I know he says the bathroom thing, but maybe he did the 5 first satellites, and then they were like: "oh man we have more time, but we still have to poop and eat." It would be a little bit ironic, the fact they were in perfect harmony, and they wanted to fly higher to reach the sun, but they burned with the betrayal of York, just like Icarus. Their own greed created the worst Vegapunk

  • @Ashtarte3D
    @Ashtarte3D ปีที่แล้ว

    5:15 I freaking love your artist for the "Bibble" with Master Shake on it. Goddam amazing.

  • @sibulelebambiso9175
    @sibulelebambiso9175 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sabo almost did come through Ace's name when Ace rejected being a Warlord but he was not interested in reading the news paper

  • @Bask3tChase
    @Bask3tChase ปีที่แล้ว

    “I hate amnesia as a plot point.”
    He said smugly, pretending Memento doesn’t exist.

  • @sialte.d9790
    @sialte.d9790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the man Marked by Flammes i have a wild theory, one name: Cutty Flam (pronounce in french Cuttie Flamme), yes i know Franky is not the man but maybe his father, we know that Franky father is a pirate and that he abbandonned him on water seven, so maybe soon a Father - son reunion will be ?

  • @thebigwahoonie2009
    @thebigwahoonie2009 ปีที่แล้ว

    That "the Warlord Ace fought being a Elephant taking a shit"-thought rly cracked you up, dindt it? :D

  • @Blaqjaqshellaq
    @Blaqjaqshellaq ปีที่แล้ว

    Vegapunk: "I'm having difficulty keeping on top of all the ideas flowing from my mind!"
    Sounds like Oda...
    Who was the warlord that Ace eliminated?

  • @darrenheideman2546
    @darrenheideman2546 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:33 Hey, thanks for including my comment. I can cross that off my bucket list.

  • @ImClownShoes
    @ImClownShoes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    dont forget Sentamaru catching Bonney after Kizaru kicks her through the barrier means alot more after seeing the flashback...

  • @EmporerDragon
    @EmporerDragon ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to that one panel, I am now on the crack theory that Foxy is secretly a member of SWORD. Think about it. Using the Davy Beck fight, he's going around and neutralizing pirate crews. And if he picks up someone dangerous, then there's just a coordinated "fight" with the marines, where Foxy escapes by the skin of his teeth, increasing his legend, but at unfortunate cost of some of his "beloved crew". And if he loses the Davy Beck, then there's a chance to plant a mole in the crew, allowing for neutralization in a different way.

  • @devo2
    @devo2 ปีที่แล้ว

    People seem to forget the whole point of the revolutionairies is to stay in the shadow of Dragon.
    Their bounties won't reflect their strength, until now. That they directly declared war.

  • @yesindeed1614
    @yesindeed1614 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well we just got that apparent warlord. An hanfuda is pretty cool.

  • @whateverwhatever8094
    @whateverwhatever8094 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The reason drake was pointed out was because on Sabaody he mentioned already knowing about the pacifistas, talking specifically about how they placed kizaru’s light abilities into them and how they are much further along than he thought. He may have a connection to Vegapunk.

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well his connection is him being rear admiral in the navy. Kizaru also talks to him on Sabaody so its obviously that he knew about Vegapunks project and knows alot about the world and world gov.

    • @whateverwhatever8094
      @whateverwhatever8094 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ju-Peter667how else would he get all this insider intro?

    • @whateverwhatever8094
      @whateverwhatever8094 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of the marines didn’t know about it

  • @tracyndiyob162
    @tracyndiyob162 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    that would be a cool concept with sabo cheering ace on slowly starting to recognize him until ace's death sparked his memory(i liked sabo's with how realistic it felt,it's big mom that was every bad cliche of amnesia as it was pointless outside just showing her past nature more believably as it isn't like it changed her attitude towards the non luffy strawhats before it.).

  • @planetbirthday6859
    @planetbirthday6859 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the anime Sabo did hear of ace, some rev fodder were talking about him as he was coming up, but he didn't see i a picture, or even hearing aces name wasn't enough to trigger a memory, his death was, also glad you mentioned Simon

  • @nukekilla432
    @nukekilla432 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    its swag as fuck you came this far with your channel and community, keep up the good work

  • @Erizz.o
    @Erizz.o ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For me the piercing is more of a simbolism of the jewels that kuma told bonney he loves when she was a kid referring to the safire scale stones

  • @danieldacorte8000
    @danieldacorte8000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason Vegapunk said specifically "Five more of me" is b/c only 5 of the 6 Satellites actually did work. York was responsible for sleeping, eating, and bathroom-ing for Stella and all the Satellites, which OG Vegapunk mentions on the same page in this chapter.

  • @TheRealRehman
    @TheRealRehman ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kuma isn't a step dad, he's a dad that stepped up and we are all better for it

  • @KrazyStylez09
    @KrazyStylez09 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its wang zhi , would be ironic because bb needed laws help to beat him . Wang zhi would then hideout at pirate island , since they didnt arrest him. Bb goes about 2-3 years later to defeat wang zhi and give him to the gov so that the paper reads yonko bb allied with law to beat ex-shichibukai wang zhi- thus the wb giving law a seat calling it "the rocky port incident". Law hasnt exactly been knocked out so the wg still has all those hearts that havent gone back to the original users.

  • @Gummypuss
    @Gummypuss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I fucking love thriller bark don’t say bad stuff about it it’s amazing! I watch it every other October to get into the halloweenie spirit. It reminds me of those Halloween specials on cartoons I used to watch as a kid only it’s in my favorite anime and it’s not a special it’s an entire mini arc that I can enjoy! It’s very so goofy so enthrawling and adventurous it’s so one piece and I love it.

  • @kamaldeepatkar3081
    @kamaldeepatkar3081 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:26 I love how one piece fans/theory thinkers explains their thougth process on how they arrived at their foundings or speculations, I do it too! Its amazing how reading chapters hundred numbers aparts from each other can spark a thougth of links. People praises movies if it makes them think about it for even few hours and calls it work of genius and here one piece fans pondering about the story and clues in it for years and decades!!

    • @GaionSputro
      @GaionSputro 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I call that "delusional" or "Todo Aoi's syndrom" muh brrruuddzzaaa!!!

  • @chrisbelos2834
    @chrisbelos2834 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i started reading OP when we were in the peak of the big 3 : naruto, bleach and OP. it came 3rd on my list and i started reading at the beginning of the war with the marines.
    to say Oda has retcon everything is a understatement imo. he retcon so much that nothing you read back then makes sense now. point and case : sabo.
    also kuddos to Kishimoto, the mangaka of Naruto, who managed to complete the whole manga in 700 chapters. Oda is at 1100 now and it feels like there's another 500 coming.
    we might even go to chapter 2000 in OP which would be just... insane

    • @lstreamer4535
      @lstreamer4535 ปีที่แล้ว

      How was Sabo a retcon? Nothing of the little we saw from Luffy's past at the beggining of the series denied his possible existence, and when we finally get the context of how Ace and Luffy met Sabo was introduced (name dropped before, Dadan too), absolutely no retcon in this, what happened was closer to "recontextualization", kinda annoying how grandline used this term as a clickbait.

    • @dioscountry1632
      @dioscountry1632 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine saying all of this just to hate on a show 💀 where do you get that theres gonna be 500 more chapters incoming?

    • @chrisbelos2834
      @chrisbelos2834 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lstreamer4535 sabo was killed in the luffy backstory arc (main point of the arc was that luffy now lost both his brother btw) just for oda, years later, be like "well you see: i use dragon outta nowhere sabo is now safe but amnesia". also amnesia is one, if not the worst character development you can make, in any story.

  • @0608be
    @0608be ปีที่แล้ว

    When Shanks takes the Gomu Gomu no Mi, Bartholomew Kuma notices. Ginny, who probably knews the real identity of the Gomu Gomu no Mi because of her knowledge of Devil Fruits from God Valley. Shanks surprised Kuma by revealing that Luffy ate the fruit, wagering on the future and the coming era, as he confronts him in search of the fruit. This realization marks the start of a journey down Nika's enigmatic path.

  • @CiabanItReal
    @CiabanItReal ปีที่แล้ว

    The warlord that Ace beat is going to come back as the main antagonist in the next Movie.
    We know that Level 6 is where they keep former warlords like Crocodile and Doflamingo. And we know that lots of level 6 pirates escaped Impel Down following the break out by Blackbeard/Luffy, but not all of them went to work for Black Beard, such as other non-cannon figures like Byrnndi World and Douglas Bullet.

  • @mmem4264
    @mmem4264 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Every time Shaka gets mentioned I find myself hoping his helmet was enough to protect his head and he's actually still alive... That or each satellite has a backup body...

  • @TOPA808
    @TOPA808 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:48 Yeah, I think she started wearing the ring because she missed her "pretty jewelry" that she always had on her face!

  • @BluePriest
    @BluePriest ปีที่แล้ว +44

    The warlords and supernovas not being planned doesn't mean that Bonnie and Kuma weren't planned. This entire arc may have already been planned out, and Kuma was initially just going to be turned into a government dog instead of a warlord.

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Man I think GODA is really good at connecting Diffrent dots to make a better flowing story
      Like keep things vague intentionally and then use it later
      No way he thought about all this a decade ago
      Also PPL kinda don't take the author's own growth
      Like AOT starting simple later becoming more complex and political and then necro kiss ruins it all
      Prolly Yams just growing and learning
      Just like that

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@self-proclaimedanimatorNoooo 😭😭 why did you have to use AOT the manga that was literally fully planned from the beginning, and confirmed to be so. Did you not even fully understand Attack On Titans full circle and how Isayama had literally everything thought out at chapter 1??.AoT was always that deep. You can even go back and see a second eren already early on in the story. Everything besides on how Isayama would end it, with either a complete genocide or a kinda more happy end. It was all planned out and so well executed. Alot crazier than Odas foreshadowing, because AoT was ment to go down that road from the beginning

    • @Discodian
      @Discodian ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@self-proclaimedanimatoraot was planned from day one? Why else did eren cry in the first 3 seconds. Did you not watch aot?

    • @TheArabek
      @TheArabek ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Discodianthey IT was shit plan then😂

  • @frog22.
    @frog22. ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its backshots Saturday, be warned guys.

  • @pamtheman5748
    @pamtheman5748 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know this is a complete stretch but what if Sabo just conveniently missed the newspapers that Ace was on and none of his RA comrades decided to tell him because Ace to them was just another rookie who would be stopped by one of the emperors like many previous rookies(which he was).

  • @jinkun2629
    @jinkun2629 ปีที่แล้ว

    People still don't understand how newspaper work. We only read the parts that interest us. Doesn't matter if it's on the front page or not. Do you care about crimes happening on the other side of the world? Most people don't even care about stuff happening in the neighborhood.
    Oda even shows this in two layers here. Only pirates are reacting to the news of Kuma becoming a Warlord (aside from his own friends). And none of them knew that he used to be a Revolutionary.
    As for Sabo, this is headcanon but I think he was just acting in discretion like a proper revolutionary before until Ace died without knowing about him. And now he is being more flashy to not repeat the same mistake. That would explain everything in a simple and heart-wrenching way.

  • @justinberube8525
    @justinberube8525 ปีที่แล้ว

    The man marked by flames has got to be the giant Saul from robins past, He was frozen on an island that was burning, I bet he was thawed by the flames, but got burned, caught on fire.
    Robin was frozen solid and she's tiny but was thawed with water.

  • @aniketbarad7962
    @aniketbarad7962 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Id love to see kuma telling the tale of nika to luffy

    • @Ju-Peter667
      @Ju-Peter667 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope luffy finally learns about it. I have the sad feeling that its gonna be Bonney tho, using Kumas memories after hes gone. Afterall Kuma did say that theyre never gonna meet again on Sabaody...

    • @SamLazier
      @SamLazier ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be unnecessary retcon. I'm sure kuma will learn something Luffy will not be aware of for the rest of the series..

    • @jase276
      @jase276 ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems like Luffy is already the embodiment of Nika so it seems counterintuitive to tell him the tale. Plus didn't he kinda hear about it on Skypia already?

  • @the_cringe_nerd
    @the_cringe_nerd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ayo? I made it in this video? Noice

  • @TheGr8SageSama
    @TheGr8SageSama ปีที่แล้ว

    2:17 it was shown in the anime that he became known when he was 17 , but unfortunately it was only in the Blues and not the GrandLine until Ace Died.

  • @loveishere7358
    @loveishere7358 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Oda's statements and manga are not translated correctly, all but those who are not native Japanese speakers will read them with misunderstanding.

  • @cjunior4449
    @cjunior4449 ปีที่แล้ว

    Simon holding the "Bibble" with Master Shake's face was just the thing I needed this morning 😂.

  • @liffidmonky1216
    @liffidmonky1216 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:30 I thought it was Dalton from chopers island

  • @Andybi0tics
    @Andybi0tics ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You know I think that the unforgivable crime of the Buccaneer tribe is that JoyBoy was a member of the tribe. Hence how all Buccaneer's know of Nika

    • @finallyimginger3223
      @finallyimginger3223 ปีที่แล้ว

      i like that but based on Kuma and his dad they have similar builds, even as babies, while those connected to Luffy, Garp, Roger, and I think joyboy has also been shown a siluette, though it may have just been nika, have similar builds to Luffy at some point in time, i dont think a Buccaneer would have a similar build of what joyboy looked like

  • @bhaskarjyoti
    @bhaskarjyoti ปีที่แล้ว

    3:07 LMFAO, I couldn't stop laughing here.😂😂😂😆😆😆

  • @oddistchild5252
    @oddistchild5252 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quick Reminder that Enel vs Goku proves that clones are probably not element species

  • @jase276
    @jase276 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    While it wasn't a mindblowing chapter for the 1100th one, GOda still delivered peak this week. I'd like to believe even Saturn felt a glint in his heart, even if for a second, or at least respect for Kuma when he said he'd gladly give everything up for his daughter.

  • @mmgraphics9799
    @mmgraphics9799 ปีที่แล้ว

    In terms of Saturn and contracts, maybe it's necessary for both sites to remember the deal they made, because it's nothing more than that. By the time Kuma did forget about it by processing to get all cyborged out, the contract got cancelled out and saturn does not have to hold the deal, because what deal are you talking about

  • @luciuseclipse
    @luciuseclipse ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Considering that Shaka is the "good" aspect of Vegapunk, when he said he wanted 5 more of himself he might not have been considering removing the good from himself yet. Then in the process of doing this to kuma maybe he needed to remove his own morals to get past how horrible of an act it really was, or maybe the world government did something else that made him need to remove the good form himself.

  • @Wanton110
    @Wanton110 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rando thought.. What if all the Strawhats have Emperors Haki? They all have the same drive to be the best in what ever field it is and decided to join Luffy with the expressed goal of self success

  • @pierrebaker8207
    @pierrebaker8207 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kuma.. a father of a child who came from a rapist who impregnated the woman he loved and then left her and the child to die. Yet still, he unhesitatingly sacrificed his life for that child, who really isn't his daughter. Could there be a more pure heart?
    Also, as far as heart touching back stories go, I wonder why no one ever mentions how sad Sanji's was. Like one of the saddest things I've ever seen in anime period.

  • @Orangecatlegend
    @Orangecatlegend ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lmao i like how we're all up at 2am, get some rest guys.

  • @fizzle7421
    @fizzle7421 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, your animation keeps getting better and better. Now the popsicle stick characters are sitting fireballs. Then there was that ace vs Blackbeard animation. The upgrade could have been happening for a while now, but I've been listening to a lot of your videos on the way to work, so it's possible that it's been happening and I'm just now noticing it. I love that aspect of your channel though. All of these drawings and animations are yours and not just clips from the show or panels straight from the manga. Ever since you started the dude in a room channel, I pay attention to that type of thing and now I appreciate this channel a lot more, especially compared to other channels in the niche. I can't quite put it into words, but it's almost like your channel transcends being a one piece channel because of the level of quality you bring to it. You do a great job and as a viewer I super appreciate the effort.
    Sorry for the Ted talk

  • @RychuAlolan
    @RychuAlolan ปีที่แล้ว

    "I hate amnesia as a plot device" imagining liam absolutely seething while watching memento

    • @GrandLineReview
      @GrandLineReview  ปีที่แล้ว

      Everyone always goes to this one example, which is the exception that proves the rule.

  • @Athesies
    @Athesies ปีที่แล้ว

    So much Simon content in this video, I love it

  • @pokenight1594
    @pokenight1594 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oda's wife is creating the show as she waiting for Oda to take her some where OnePlace the show she has been doing for years.

  • @selixxiles1262
    @selixxiles1262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, can we just acknowledge that Oda is a literary genius. I mean, you said it yourself. Both Bonny and Kuma were impromptu characters, and yet here we are like 600 chapters after their introduction, and they've been given the develop more than some main characters in other literature. It is shocking that the man has been able to keep up the quality of his work for such a long period of time without completely burning out. Talk about a creative spark.

  • @user-a_ce.1238
    @user-a_ce.1238 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I recently readed the episode A
    It was definitely worth it
    I believe we will see Masked Deuce returning in Elbaf after all his character was deeply connected to the giants

  • @sathniducabraal152
    @sathniducabraal152 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    kuma must've been in foosha village to meet shanks...to beat him? kill him?

  • @AfroX-StayLegendary
    @AfroX-StayLegendary ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think what would hurt Saturn more than physical damage now is to see Kuma's memories returned and for him and Bonney to find happiness... Even for just a moment since he's literally spent 40-50 years as Kuma's Reverse Flash, doing everything to make sure Kuma suffers.

  • @jenker5731
    @jenker5731 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The man marked by is flames is Bluejam because he was the warlord that ace defeated. it would be very oda-like

  • @Uehahahara
    @Uehahahara ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Since Kuma can’t be near the Sorbet Kingdom anymore, I think there is a possibility that he is actually going to the Goa Kingdom to search for the previous king of Sorbet Kingdom, to make sure he won’t try to attack the island anymore.

  • @kanishkpincha3965
    @kanishkpincha3965 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always liked the imu is umibozu theory for luffy getting stuck in a whirpool.

  • @KDVice
    @KDVice ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe there's someone in Foosha village related to or close to Ginny. She was the commander of the eastern forces before she was kidnapped. And then this is where Kuma finds out about Luffy and probably his devil fruit as well from Vegapunk. This must have been when he decided to look after Luffy and the crew from behind the scenes until Sabaody. I really like the idea that Kuma planned the strawhats' rise to success so far for them to take in Bonney and protect her from the World Government (and to help his idol Nika as well).

  • @husseinmasri901
    @husseinmasri901 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wait, Egghead has been going for 40 chapters already!!! I didin't notice, I thought we were at ~25

  • @emanuelealbertoruffolo3494
    @emanuelealbertoruffolo3494 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Revolutionary told sabo about fire fist ace and he knew the name but didn't know why

    • @SamLazier
      @SamLazier ปีที่แล้ว

      Makes sense

  • @snackpackluv
    @snackpackluv ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be dope if Shaka was a direct clone of Vegapunk. We know he could do it and it would add weight to way Shaka was more of a leader.

  • @moistfeesh5778
    @moistfeesh5778 ปีที่แล้ว

    makes sense that the warlord ace defeated is the man marked by flames. the flames he would have been marked with could of been from the fight he had with ace

  • @patricknez7258
    @patricknez7258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Parallels between Oda and Kuma blew my mind brain! 🤯 Well done! Great insight imo

  • @RongDMemer
    @RongDMemer ปีที่แล้ว

    Your click bait thumbnail has never been more powerful
    I click instantly, anyway I'm hyped for whats behind the screen with kuma and luffy. The thing is oda's "reckon" has always been smooth as heck.

  • @Takisan111
    @Takisan111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I also want to add Corazon to the list of stand up father figures.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kuma is on Dawn Island because after meeting Luffy I think he will go to Goa Kingdom and kill its king due to Bekkori getting the idea of annexing the Sorbet Kingdom from this unamed monarch but Kuma will push out all of the memories of those involved making it look like a mysterious accident

  • @johnnypollack3243
    @johnnypollack3243 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep up the awesome work and videos Liam love the video

  • @xyexui
    @xyexui ปีที่แล้ว

    random thought, but I think it would be funny if bonney reverted brook at one point and the straw hats saw how he looked before death. I think it would be a really funny moment if possible.

  • @Smudgerthetankengine
    @Smudgerthetankengine ปีที่แล้ว

    9:32 Hang on, what is Seadramon doing there?

  • @musticlas
    @musticlas ปีที่แล้ว

    Just like I said in comments of 1100 vid, other people's input really throw spanners in the works with One Piece. With potential (timeline) discrepancies around the Ace Novel (which, although while considered canon, was not written by Oda) and now with non-elemental logia fruits from non-canon media (like this paper logia guy whatever his name is). There are 2 others from fillers/movies, that I can't recall, but their Logias also don't fit Oda's theme that Logias are exclusively naturally occurring elements/substances (fire, ice, lava, light, dark, nature/trees, sand, swamp, soot, etc. all are naturally occurring elements. Not fkn paper and candy)

  • @AfroX-StayLegendary
    @AfroX-StayLegendary ปีที่แล้ว

    Kuma and Kizaru are very similar, Saturn made Kuma lose his free will to control him and Kizaru just chose to give his free will willingly.

    • @lorddarkrai5753
      @lorddarkrai5753 ปีที่แล้ว

      It makes sense though , a revolting Kizaru and Kuma combo is one that can speed blitz any Yonko , it's insanely broken.

  • @markiie89
    @markiie89 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if kuma on his way to egghead is making a pain/exhaustion bubble on his way there and when he arrives it's gonna be HUGE!