No way dude! Based off what? He’s a classic example of a Hall of Very Good player. 1 MVP, with only 6 all star appearances, 1 gold glove, 0 silver sluggers, never once leading the league in any statistic, & 2144 hits in 17 years is not a Hall of Fame career👍
To argue that someone costs their teams runs/wins by walking (i.e. not causing an out and getting on base) is an extraordinary claim which will require some extraordinary evidence
People who wanted Votto to swing more are out of their minds. In 2018 for instance, "Votto only swung at pitches out of the strike zone 13.1 percent of the time. That was the lowest chase rate in the Majors, and less than half of the MLB average, 27.6 percent....Votto's swing rate on pitches in the strike zone was more than five times as high as his swing rate on pitches outside the strike zone. He had by far the best ratio of in-zone to out-of-zone swings of any regular MLB hitter last year." Votto takes walks instead of outs, not walks instead of hits.
Sadly, there are many who feel this way in this era.... People today would shame skilled contact hitters with great plate discipline like Carew, Gywnn, Oliva, etc. Remember....Chicks dig the long ball, so that's all that matters.
The average HOF 1st baseman has 65 career WAR with a average 7-year peak of 41.8, Votto has 64.5 career war so far and a 46.9 7-year peak WAR. He has an MVP, a Gold Glove, and is a 6x All Star. His counting stats are also better than other HOF players like Scott Rollin.
Designated hitter Edgar Martinez is in the HOF. Both have very similar offense stats. Votto played the field and even won a gold glove...Joey Votto is definitely in.
Joey Votto is one of the greatest contact hitters in history with somewhat below elite HOF power. Hes first ballot hall of fame in my opinion. This guy dons not know the sport. I think he struck out 5 times in his best 10 years. Obvious joke but he was that good at contact and still crushing HRs
I'm convinced Parker is only on the show for comic relief. I have NEVER heard him make an intelligent comment. He dismisses Votto's ability to get on base by saying he would have benefitted his team more if he had swung the bat more often. Really? Not if he made an out he wouldn't. Not to mention he has a lifetime avg of .298 and Parker thinks that disqualifies him. Better throw out half the Hall if that's the case. Votto has 350 HRs, it's not like he never had power. A lifetime .298/.411/.513 slash line with 64.7 WAR. He better get in if the Hall means anything. Parker belongs in the Hall of Not Very Smart.
As of the moment of this comment Votto has 350 HR's and just over 2100 hits and is under .300 for his career at first base. As of now, he is not even close to being in the HOF. At the age of 39, I dont see him getting the numbers to go in, and Im not hating. Im a Cinci guy and LOVE Votto. He and Barry Larkin are my favorite players of all time, but we have to be honest here. The issue with Votto is while he had several seasons of 154 to 162 games played. He has had several seasons where he only around 60 games. I just looked it up and Votto has missed nearly 360 games over his career to injury. That is alot of hits, HR;s, and RBI's he missed out on.
@@5IvanDrago5 Votto has a lifetime .411 OBP to go along with his .298 average--since when did .300 become the magic number? If so, better boot out half the Hall. They just put Rolen in, who has less hits than Votto, less HRs than Votto, a lower batting average than Votto. a lower on base percentage than Votto, and a lower slugging percentage than Votto. So if Rolen got in with worse numbers, why would you think Votto won't go in as well? Seriously, I am curious to see how you twist this around to justify one without the other.
@@jayseaborg3895 I was shocked Rolen went in as well, but the answer is easy, discussed publicly, and I doubt it will satisfy you. That said, its simple Rolen played 3B and Votto plays 1B. I too was shocked when Rolen went in and then it was said he was a top ten all time 3B. How does a guy top ten of all time at his position not get in? Especially when guys with worse numbers at his position are already in. Now you find me a 1B with under 400 Hrs and 2500 hits that is in the HOF. Do your research and discover one, maybe there is one Im not aware of, but I bet you wont find one. The closest comparison to Votto you will find will be Mattingly. Mattingly got 28% and that is as high as he got and he won 7 Gold Gloves and was a Yankee. Again, Im a massive Votto fan, Im not hating on the guy, but the hard truth is he doesnt have the numbers.
@@5IvanDrago5 Are we electing people based on what position they play? I didn't realize there was a quota system. But to answer your question about 400 Hrs and under 2500 hits (you might explain how you came to pick those numbers), and ignoring the first basemen who primarily played before 1920. there is Cepeda 379HRs and 2351 hits, Greenberg 331 HRs and 1628 hits, Hodges 370 HRs and 1921 hits, Mize 359 HRs and 2011 hits, , and Bill Terry 154 HRs and 2193 hits. That research took two minutes. There is a precedence, Votto already has better numbers than players who are in there that played in the modern era, analytics will help his case and he hasn't pissed off writers. He gets in.
@@jayseaborg3895 Im confused, in one moment you drop some decent insight when citing numbers and seem to have a basic understanding of how all this works. However, you open your comment with asking, "are we electing people based on position". Yes and you seem to be a intelligent enough person to know that. Its not a secret, its not a conspiracy theory, its openly discussed. Good all time great catchers like Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, and Yogi Berra dont have near the numbers as first basemen and outfielders. Ozzie Smith, Joe Morgan, or Ryan Sandberg, YESSSSSS part of the criteria is position played and you damn well know that. Among your cites was Gil Hodges, great name drop there. Go read his Wiki page, specifically the paragraph on his HOF background. It discusses what we here are discussing. I cited you a perfect comparison in Mattingly and he didnt even come close. You arguing so hard for Votto, maybe you're a Reds fan. Look at Tony Perez's career numbers. HR;s he and Votto are close, but Perez had 2700 hits and 1600 RBI's and was multiple time word champion. However, Perez barely got the 75% needed and truth be told it was his reputation as being a clutch hitter in playoffs and World Series that got him in. Another guy in a similar camp as Votto is Fred McGriff whom went in this year. Under 2500 hits, but he had 493 HR's, 7 under the magic 500 and almost 1700 RBI's. Look up Joe Carter, not in. Im 46, and for years it was 3000 hits or 500 HR's for first basemen and outfields with exceptions for guys like Ricky Henderson and Rock Rains. I dont know maybe as WAR and some of these other new era stats take trend that will change. However, based on the traditional HOF benchmarks of who is in and who is not, Votto is not at this time. Joey has a few more productive years or modern stats become the trend then maybe.
Of course he’s a HOF. Some of these “baseball” guys who randomly say a player is not a future HOFer is so funny but then they support their favourite guy with really good numbers
Votto is a hall of famer. He has plenty of black ink, and a MVP. He also nearly won a second MVP. OBP and OPS matter a lot, and Votto led the league in OBP on several occasions and OPS twice. Drawing walks and getting on base takes skill. This also allowed him to score a lot of runs. For a stretch of 7-8 years Votto was a top 3 player in the league.
Votto is indeed a HoFer. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about, and has said the same thing about many other players who ended up being voted in. I think he likes being the "devil's advocate" for HoF balloting. 🤣
Rob is uninformed. He doesn’t know the team. The Angels swept both the Red Sox and the Yankees in the last series they had with each team and therefore have a tiebreaker over each of those teams.
They aren't likely to tie either of them though. They are definitely a worse roster than either of those team, not to mention the Jays who currently have the spot. And their remaining schedule is tough, with series against Astros, 2 against Rangers at least, 2 against Rays, Orioles, Jays right now, etc. They aren't a playoff team. I like that they are trying though, but it doesn't seem likely to work.
Votto = Good player but not a HOFer. Ted Williams also hit over 500 HR's and he missed 4 years of his prime fighting in WW2. Come on BK that's a terrible comparison. Plenty of other players who aren't even on the ballot anymore who had better numbers, accolades and postseason success than him: Johnny Damon, Carlos Delgado, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams, Cecil Cooper, Torii Hunter, Matt Holliday, Michael Young, Andruw Jones, Miguel Tejada, Kenny Lofton, Tim Hudson, David Cone, Dave Stieb, Roy Oswalt just to name a few. The only advantages Votto has is in WAR which is pretty subjective because Bobby Grich has a higher career WAR than him with less than spectacular numbers. And in drawing walks. Which sluggers draw a lot of walks because they cause less damage on the basepaths than at the plate. He had little to no post season success in his career. I just don't see it. David Cone had a CY and 5 rings and isn't in.
Joey Votto is absolutely a hall of famer.
No way dude! Based off what? He’s a classic example of a Hall of Very Good player. 1 MVP, with only 6 all star appearances, 1 gold glove, 0 silver sluggers, never once leading the league in any statistic, & 2144 hits in 17 years is not a Hall of Fame career👍
@@Chiefs767your forgetting the most important stat for the hof. War.
@@Chiefs767 He had a career .409 on base percentage and .511 slugging. Those are MVP candidate numbers, and he put those up for his entire career.
Joey is a future Hall of Famer
There is a difference between hall of fame and inner circle, joey votto doesnt just make the hall, he makes it better.
Well said. Couldn't have a better ambassador for the sport than Joey Votto
To argue that someone costs their teams runs/wins by walking (i.e. not causing an out and getting on base) is an extraordinary claim which will require some extraordinary evidence
Votto is a HOFamer. Not a debate
People who wanted Votto to swing more are out of their minds. In 2018 for instance, "Votto only swung at pitches out of the strike zone 13.1 percent of the time. That was the lowest chase rate in the Majors, and less than half of the MLB average, 27.6 percent....Votto's swing rate on pitches in the strike zone was more than five times as high as his swing rate on pitches outside the strike zone. He had by far the best ratio of in-zone to out-of-zone swings of any regular MLB hitter last year."
Votto takes walks instead of outs, not walks instead of hits.
Yes. Please explain this to the dude in the video
Exactly! Pitchers weren’t throwing him strikes for a reason.
So power is the only thing that matters in deciding if a player is a HOF?
Lol right. Also he has 350 home runs and is still playing!
Sadly, there are many who feel this way in this era.... People today would shame skilled contact hitters with great plate discipline like Carew, Gywnn, Oliva, etc. Remember....Chicks dig the long ball, so that's all that matters.
Votto will get in the Hall, not first or second ballot but he will absolutely get in.
The average HOF 1st baseman has 65 career WAR with a average 7-year peak of 41.8, Votto has 64.5 career war so far and a 46.9 7-year peak WAR. He has an MVP, a Gold Glove, and is a 6x All Star. His counting stats are also better than other HOF players like Scott Rollin.
He’s a lock lol. Too much good baseball. I thank the good lord Mountain Landis that we know that walks are pretty good now.
Designated hitter Edgar Martinez is in the HOF. Both have very similar offense stats. Votto played the field and even won a gold glove...Joey Votto is definitely in.
Joey Votto is one of the greatest contact hitters in history with somewhat below elite HOF power. Hes first ballot hall of fame in my opinion. This guy dons not know the sport. I think he struck out 5 times in his best 10 years. Obvious joke but he was that good at contact and still crushing HRs
I'm convinced Parker is only on the show for comic relief. I have NEVER heard him make an intelligent comment. He dismisses Votto's ability to get on base by saying he would have benefitted his team more if he had swung the bat more often. Really? Not if he made an out he wouldn't. Not to mention he has a lifetime avg of .298 and Parker thinks that disqualifies him. Better throw out half the Hall if that's the case. Votto has 350 HRs, it's not like he never had power. A lifetime .298/.411/.513 slash line with 64.7 WAR. He better get in if the Hall means anything. Parker belongs in the Hall of Not Very Smart.
As of the moment of this comment Votto has 350 HR's and just over 2100 hits and is under .300 for his career at first base. As of now, he is not even close to being in the HOF. At the age of 39, I dont see him getting the numbers to go in, and Im not hating. Im a Cinci guy and LOVE Votto. He and Barry Larkin are my favorite players of all time, but we have to be honest here. The issue with Votto is while he had several seasons of 154 to 162 games played. He has had several seasons where he only around 60 games. I just looked it up and Votto has missed nearly 360 games over his career to injury. That is alot of hits, HR;s, and RBI's he missed out on.
@@5IvanDrago5 Votto has a lifetime .411 OBP to go along with his .298 average--since when did .300 become the magic number? If so, better boot out half the Hall. They just put Rolen in, who has less hits than Votto, less HRs than Votto, a lower batting average than Votto. a lower on base percentage than Votto, and a lower slugging percentage than Votto. So if Rolen got in with worse numbers, why would you think Votto won't go in as well? Seriously, I am curious to see how you twist this around to justify one without the other.
@@jayseaborg3895 I was shocked Rolen went in as well, but the answer is easy, discussed publicly, and I doubt it will satisfy you. That said, its simple Rolen played 3B and Votto plays 1B. I too was shocked when Rolen went in and then it was said he was a top ten all time 3B. How does a guy top ten of all time at his position not get in? Especially when guys with worse numbers at his position are already in.
Now you find me a 1B with under 400 Hrs and 2500 hits that is in the HOF. Do your research and discover one, maybe there is one Im not aware of, but I bet you wont find one. The closest comparison to Votto you will find will be Mattingly. Mattingly got 28% and that is as high as he got and he won 7 Gold Gloves and was a Yankee.
Again, Im a massive Votto fan, Im not hating on the guy, but the hard truth is he doesnt have the numbers.
@@5IvanDrago5 Are we electing people based on what position they play? I didn't realize there was a quota system. But to answer your question about 400 Hrs and under 2500 hits (you might explain how you came to pick those numbers), and ignoring the first basemen who primarily played before 1920. there is Cepeda 379HRs and 2351 hits, Greenberg 331 HRs and 1628 hits, Hodges 370 HRs and 1921 hits, Mize 359 HRs and 2011 hits, , and Bill Terry 154 HRs and 2193 hits. That research took two minutes. There is a precedence, Votto already has better numbers than players who are in there that played in the modern era, analytics will help his case and he hasn't pissed off writers. He gets in.
@@jayseaborg3895 Im confused, in one moment you drop some decent insight when citing numbers and seem to have a basic understanding of how all this works. However, you open your comment with asking, "are we electing people based on position". Yes and you seem to be a intelligent enough person to know that. Its not a secret, its not a conspiracy theory, its openly discussed. Good all time great catchers like Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, and Yogi Berra dont have near the numbers as first basemen and outfielders. Ozzie Smith, Joe Morgan, or Ryan Sandberg, YESSSSSS part of the criteria is position played and you damn well know that.
Among your cites was Gil Hodges, great name drop there. Go read his Wiki page, specifically the paragraph on his HOF background. It discusses what we here are discussing.
I cited you a perfect comparison in Mattingly and he didnt even come close. You arguing so hard for Votto, maybe you're a Reds fan. Look at Tony Perez's career numbers. HR;s he and Votto are close, but Perez had 2700 hits and 1600 RBI's and was multiple time word champion. However, Perez barely got the 75% needed and truth be told it was his reputation as being a clutch hitter in playoffs and World Series that got him in.
Another guy in a similar camp as Votto is Fred McGriff whom went in this year. Under 2500 hits, but he had 493 HR's, 7 under the magic 500 and almost 1700 RBI's. Look up Joe Carter, not in.
Im 46, and for years it was 3000 hits or 500 HR's for first basemen and outfields with exceptions for guys like Ricky Henderson and Rock Rains. I dont know maybe as WAR and some of these other new era stats take trend that will change. However, based on the traditional HOF benchmarks of who is in and who is not, Votto is not at this time. Joey has a few more productive years or modern stats become the trend then maybe.
Of course he’s a HOF. Some of these “baseball” guys who randomly say a player is not a future HOFer is so funny but then they support their favourite guy with really good numbers
Votto is a hall of famer. He has plenty of black ink, and a MVP. He also nearly won a second MVP. OBP and OPS matter a lot, and Votto led the league in OBP on several occasions and OPS twice. Drawing walks and getting on base takes skill. This also allowed him to score a lot of runs. For a stretch of 7-8 years Votto was a top 3 player in the league.
He should have won that second MVP. He was the best hitter in the NL.
He is and as a bonus, which will help, he might win a world series this year so yea
Jim Rice .298
Al Kaline .297
Pujols .296
Larkin .295
Raines .293
Brock .292
Votto is top 50 all-time in OBP
HOF for sure. Who is this guy?
"Votto's not a .300 hitter."
DUDE IS HITTING .295 in a SEVENTEEN year career.
Let me yell at him.
Votto is indeed a HoFer. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about, and has said the same thing about many other players who ended up being voted in. I think he likes being the "devil's advocate" for HoF balloting. 🤣
This is probably the guy who didn’t vote for Griffey Junior on the first ballot.
Joey Votto is certainly better and more deserving than Scott Rolen.
He may be better but he is not "certainly" better. Rolen WAR 70. Votto WAR 65. They are very comparable.
If he's not, your hall is broken.
Who else came heat to see why the guy on the rights head is so big?
This is the same rob Parker who thinks Tom Brady isn’t a hall of famer
Rob is uninformed. He doesn’t know the team. The Angels swept both the Red Sox and the Yankees in the last series they had with each team and therefore have a tiebreaker over each of those teams.
They aren't likely to tie either of them though. They are definitely a worse roster than either of those team, not to mention the Jays who currently have the spot. And their remaining schedule is tough, with series against Astros, 2 against Rangers at least, 2 against Rays, Orioles, Jays right now, etc. They aren't a playoff team. I like that they are trying though, but it doesn't seem likely to work.
Does Brian Kenny do cocaine beforehand? Serious question no big deal if he does
Votto = Good player but not a HOFer. Ted Williams also hit over 500 HR's and he missed 4 years of his prime fighting in WW2. Come on BK that's a terrible comparison.
Plenty of other players who aren't even on the ballot anymore who had better numbers, accolades and postseason success than him:
Johnny Damon, Carlos Delgado, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams, Cecil Cooper, Torii Hunter, Matt Holliday, Michael Young, Andruw Jones, Miguel Tejada, Kenny Lofton, Tim Hudson, David Cone, Dave Stieb, Roy Oswalt just to name a few.
The only advantages Votto has is in WAR which is pretty subjective because Bobby Grich has a higher career WAR than him with less than spectacular numbers. And in drawing walks. Which sluggers draw a lot of walks because they cause less damage on the basepaths than at the plate. He had little to no post season success in his career. I just don't see it. David Cone had a CY and 5 rings and isn't in.
Votto should’ve been traded the Brewers
Who cares he has a career BA under .300?? Mickey Mantle was a .298 hitter
I hope HoF voters are smarter than this and use more modern statistics than average and rbis
Not a chance, good player but not a Hall Of Famer.