Now I want to try a 6man stack in SnD where everyone uses decoys, unsuppressed weapons, and signal lure at the same time to blow up the minimap with pings
@@InvntdXNEWROMAN 6-man signal lure activation, lots of annoying pings visually on map and that damn sound in the enemy's ears and we shall blot out the sky with decoys!
Staying alive for a full minute is very hard in this game, since you can get shot from 12 different angles and people constantly spawn directly behind you and shoot you in the back
@@lookatthisdude7524that’s any map in this game 🤣 i stopped playing normal maps bc if i’m going to constantly die in my spawn i might as well play face off doesn’t help the map design in this game is horrendous
Signal lure + smoke, signal lure while you're the HVT, signal lure when you have a shotgun and Flak Jacket in a tight space, signal lure + decoy grenades, signal lure while your team has a counter UAV up, signal lure + jammer, signal lure to get enemies into range of your sentry turret or run over your blast traps or any combination of the above. It's a fun addon to another strat, not a strat unto itself
Unless they've recently fixed it, signal lure is bugged as the HVT where you can't replate armour while its active ( same with the other field upgrades which have timers) so make sure to only use it when you have no spare plates left.
Signal Lure in Hardcore is pretty good, because they only get the audio portion (Assuming they don't have a UAV/Scout Pulse/HARP/etc...). Getting 25 extra score plus Bankroll means a scout pulse in two kills, and archangel in 4.
People said the same about Drift0r. Then he stopped caring. Activision have had their hands burnt by content creators many times and I think they will hesitate to be so involved with them moving forward.
@ People thought Drift0r was mentally stable though. People didn’t know DrDisRespect was a sex predator until that came out. Look at the Mr.Beast scandal now. We know nothing about these people in real life. What you have is a parasocial relationship with a content creator. TmarTn was flown out to a COD event by Activision, allowed to post gameplay early, they gave him the full VIP treatment. When he went home he file dumped the footage, published a “final thoughts” of the game 5 mins after release, and never posted anything on that channel again. Activision will treat these people with great scepticism.
@@pigeonstrangler Sorry, I'm never going to vibe with the whole "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. What good is knowing someone in real life? Joseph DeAngelo's daughter thought he was the perfect father. In case you didn't know, that's the Golden State Killer. He killed at least 12 people, committed dozens of rapes and hundreds of burglaries. His wife never suspected anything either. Still, you are correct that it is not in Activision's best interests to hire these people. It's just a shame for the players.
@ You might not “vibe” with it. But Twitvh and TH-cam take these issues very seriously. DrDisRespect was booted off Twitch and has been denied monetisation here on TH-cam. Mr.Beast has many friends arrested with very questionable text messages. TmarTn and Drift0r acted like jerks and took that company for a ride. Then there’s the entire bundle candle where streamers demanded their content be removed from store after the were paid and signed contracts. Activision need to distance themselves from these content creators. They have had their hands burnt too many times. Also the benefits of knowing a person in reality, versus online, are self evident. Go watch a compilation of people being catfished. You know nothing about this person Exclusive Ace - Nothing at all.
@@OMGItzSlickerz So you can get from the description that it makes a sound, it pings you every 3 seconds on the minimap, it gives 150 score bonus after surviving a minute, etc? Impressive!
@ it doesn’t NEED to tell you how much score it gives you 🤣 It tells you that you’re revealed & you get bonus score whilst using it ffs, it’s not my fault you’re slow as fuck
Imho, they should increase the score earned from kills while also adding score earned every 30 seconds, also increasing the score earned from surviving the full duration to make it really worthwhile to use. Maybe increase the amount of score earned from killing the person running it, too, while raising the time to activate by 15 seconds for normal and 10 with Gear Head
This makes me want to make a class with Signal Lure, dispatcher, gearhead, Strategist specialty, and perk greed for Bank roll. See how fast you can get score streaks.
even in hp i dont really see the use. if youre giving away your position by playing obiective youre much, much better off with trophy systems to survive the inevitable nade spam unless you have a full team unless youre partied up or running the wildcard that lets you pick two field upgrades i guess but even then i feel gearhead for more trophies + bankroll with perk greed for the extra score is a better option
@@SimonBlueBerrythe 2 field upgrade wildcard is useless you use one and then both need recharging by the time you get it back, whatever benefit you got from one will be gone by the time you use the other
@@tylers92 i know but i was thinking more if some other teammates are alreasy using trophies you can use the lure if theres already a trophy or your own trophy if there isnt......but id still prefer stacking trophies anyway in the vast majority of situations so heh
The survival bonus at the end should scale based on how aggressive you were while it was active. You could take the extra points you accumulated over the minute and double it. That would prevent someone from getting a free bonus from hiding, and further reward players for putting themselves at a disadvantage. Example 4 kills -> 25x4 = 100 Survival bonus -> 100x2 = 200
I feel the signal lure is quite risky in core but feasable in hardcore. War cry earns you 15 XP per teammate near you, so on 10v10 you can earn roughly the same amount with only flares giving you away for 5 seconds as opposed to a literal signal lure giving you away. Not to mention, any teammates playing aggressive or getting shot at will get benefitted too.
Would love to see a “Best Rear Grip” video next! I haven’t had a chance to actually test out the slide to fire speeds and would love your take on them all (as well as any hidden attributes).
Only have used it when daily missions require it. Surprisingly better than I expected, using a close range weapon and sticking to small areas I find signal lure gives the extra enemy traffic I want. The extra points you get add up and feel nice as well.
Something you didn’t point out is that you can live ping the enemy (via the tac map as it’s an objective marker) and see their live position every time it updates. You could also ping your own (white variant of the) icon to let teammates know you have it on.
One setup with the signal lure that I really enjoy using is equipping an XMG with the 200 round mag upgrade and a high-zoom scope and just non-stop firing down long lanes or choke points. It may not be the most practical, but I find it both hilarious and satisfying.
If you are going for mastery badges on all your field upgrades, use signal lure in stakeout 24/7. People find u in 2 seconds regardless, there are no negatives. I mastered it without any chat audio on😊
CUAV, Sentry, Overwatch Helo, and 3 red perks for enforcer. and a gun that can take out a streak is probably your best bet. It's easier for enemies to walk into a sentry trap if there's a glowing dot baiting them. and it sounds fun fortifying some area and announcing yourself as an optional objective in TDM or something.
I’ve gotten many dreadnaughts with signal lure. I play the objective very hard so often it doesn’t matter if the enemy knows where I am because I’m on the point. You can stack points very fast. I like the guardian perk with flak jacket for lots of staying power.
Theoretically, could do an EOD class with Flak Jacket + Shadow + Gearhead. You find and hack enemy equipment then pop this to lead foes into "your" traps. Can use preper wildcard to run both the sig lure and morphine injector. Use the lure then then morphine to increase survival odds. Other option is an enforcer assassin. Scavenger + Assassin + Bank roll. Run greed for dispatcher. Earn a counter uav, pop signal lure, go nuts.
I've had a lot of fun with the lure in Kill Order, just using it when I'm the HVT. The enemy already knows where I am and I can see them coming on the mini map. With the added survivability perks of being HVT, it's not unusual for me to get that full minute bonus
I mainly play HC Objective games and it's been very useful in that regard. Just pulling people away from the OBJ so my team can cap it since people are insistent on playing TDM in these modes. Having people Lemminging into my LMG has really done wonders for my Headshot goals.
I laughed out loud when you could basically hear the signal lure clear as day but that guy's footsteps were COMPLETELY inaudible. I get he could have had Ninja on for testing but this is basically footstep audio in game for me
I use the Signal Lure playing Hardcore Objective Game Modes on my Assault classes combined with Strategist. The point buff for something like holding like a hardpoint with no enemy UAV up racks up my streaks fast. It’s much less risk in that circumstance
We need a toggle on the elimations to count as assists. So we can get a more accurate understanding of our match kd. Instead the game just gives u an "Elimination" for an assist when it should just be an assist
in MW2 - BO2 times, we used to play SnD and troll the enemies in a way that onw guy would expose himself and lure the enemies into a trap, either with claymores, or hiding with shotguns. so in that instance, signal lure would be really great. but then again, these type of lobbies do not exist anymore.
Imagine if it was a live ping on the minimap like Blackbird, but if you survive for the whole minute you get an AC130. I think it would be funny to see people trying to survive and hide, all while the entire enemy team is chasing you.
I was really excited to unlock this because I thought it would have great potential for trolling. Unfortunately, I never hear anyone in comms in the first place. If I do, it's usually just someone breathing into their open mic.
Strategist gives you so much score by comparison, with bankroll and dispatcher stacks its even more insane. Signal lure seems like a funny meme by comparison
I was grinding the medals for the field upgrades and used this in HC. You can complete it in a few games if you get maps like stakeout or pit. But what caught me off guard was the comment on “people aren’t acutely using callouts” as I noticed it a lot using this field upgrade
I could probably count the amount of games I have played where I hear death comm callouts on one hand. (We could also just be in totally different skill brackets/ or people could just be in party chats)
@@loadedexcrement it might be a console vs pc thing but I have noticed a lot in open chat even if they are in a party, and the callouts are insane 😂 it feels like every game is a competitive game, cdl vibes
In my opinion the signal lure should act like a portable radar for yourself while having the current downsides. That way there isn’t a reliance on voice comms and you aren’t at a disadvantage to the enemy team that can see you on the map.
The whole point is to put yourself at a disadvantage tho. It's literally a taunt, wether or not you can handle that is on you. It's not supposed to make you stronger in exchange.
@ Stronger how? Yea you can create diversions and other things with it but one of the gimmicks is to listen into enemy comms but if the enemy team doesn’t speak in game then you are at a more disadvantage. You can’t predict every outcome of a fight and with how fast this game is the signal lure in most cases can be a death sentence instead of a taunt to the enemy team. Plus they get a bigger pay out from killing you than you do to them.
The thing you neglected to talk about is the power of hearing enemy coms and other game modes. If the enemies are communicating they have to stop talking or you can relay what they are doing to your entire team, yes this isn't common but this is incredibly power when it does happen as it is almost like stream sniping. In modes like SnD it is possible to exploit this for free score for Attackers as it forces Defenders to make some really bad plays to stop that score and if you had a way to turn off the minimap you could combine it with this for more score.
Thanks for making this, I think it would be good in hardcore since I assume it is only shows on the mini maps which you don’t have in HC. Edit: I had no idea about the audio component, well I think it is weak right now, personally I would get rid of the audio to make it balanced.
It should let you taunt the enemy team. That’s actually the most important change I would make. Also, in general, I think it’s a really good idea but it needs some changes. You should probably get a way bigger bonus than +150 for living that long.
Should easily be at least 50 points per kill and 500 for surviving a full minute, for the disadvantages u gain. Surviving a full minute just normally is hard enough, plus other perks and combinations give u way better score without the downsides, like Strategist, Assassin, etc
I could see maybe Pop it if you’re close to your desired killstreak (HAARP, Chopper gunner)and don’t care about dying soon after. The slight bump could maybe make a difference 🤷. Maybe use it to spam uavs with the green perks included🤷🏾♂️
Other way to see the signal lure: You are putting yourself at a disadvantage. Therefore players will kill you more and your SBMM will be cranked down a bit. Few games later. You can benefit from the extra points of the signal lure as if it was nothing cause players will be weaker than what you usually fight.
The +25 score for killing an enemy is a bit too weak. For several different types of other kills in the game (smoke grenade kills, scrambler kills, etc.), you get +15 to your score -- that's only 10 points less than Signal Lure. That just doesn't seem right at all. And only getting +100 score after surviving a full minute is really not good value at all. I think the following changes would make it worth running and much more fun to play: - Increase score to +35 for each kill. - For every 15 seconds you survive, you get an increasing amount of score up to the full minute as follows: +15, +30, +50, +55 -- for a total of 150 score for surviving the whole minute. - To balance the above changes more, enemies can now see your dot on the mini-map at an increased rate. - Make the activation time much faster. Right now, it takes around 3 seconds to activate Signal Lure. It should only take 750 milliseconds. It would just make much more sense for a Field Upgrade that is about luring enemies and getting kills. Obviously the specific numbers I listed can be changed, but you get the idea.
It’s pretty simple. You almost never see it used in game. Therefore it desperately needs a buff. The only buff I could see inticing people to use it is to increase the score to +50 per kill maybe even +100. A random scrambler is just always going to give you more score than a signal lure through assists and that actually helps you in game versus signal lure being a handicap to yourself for no real benefit.
I think it should be every 10 seconds you get +5 each time. So 25, 30, 35, 40, 45... You should be able to talk to the enemy. Every kill you get should do some kind of trolly thing to them. It's basically a taunt and if you can kill people while it is active, something should happen to them. And then surviving completely, 500 points. However, I do see is people are able to cheese it and maybe get to a place that is very difficult to get to and then just wait.
Would love for a melee weapon breakdown. The ones in mw3 were super helpful. Could you also compare the melee weapons speed with the fastest SMG (saug with ranger and light stock). Thanks!
I just used Signal Lure until I got the 100 kills with it, same as every other field upgrade that I don't actually want to use so that I can start getting diamond on the ones I do.
I've gotten really good games with this thing by locking down lines of sight with an LMG and activating it. Revealing your position this way isn't a big deal when you don't really intend on being hidden, and can actually work in your favor by baiting people into being out in the open. But I think if your playstyle relies more on flanking and getting close, you'd want to stay away from using this.
I think it would be useful if you are going to lock down an area with bouncing betties and the like. Basically good for campers and those who can effectively use the decoy grenade. Other than that, I wouldn't use it.
Ace, I know you don't play Hardcore, but do you think you could show what happens within the Hardcore game when people use these different things? I always play HC and I've never seen this on a mini map. Does this give the enemy a free mini map during the duration. Since I'm blind, I can't see these things but I can hear and learn. 😁
I’m almost gold mastery with signal lure. Had no idea there was a bonus XP for surviving. Never lived that long. Also not very good. ALSO had no idea it was giving so many points to the other team. This thing sucks.
I’ve used it to bait people into my shock stick + blast trap combo (hilarious), but beyond being amusing I don’t see a ton of value here. I do like like the idea of using it as the HVT but that’s pretty situational.
The very rare half-baked video from Ace. Does counter uav completely negate this while it's active? What about scout pulse and uav, or the uav on steroids.
SBMM makes this useless but it could be balanced, this field upgrade gets 25sec cooldown and gets 50+ score (and player XP) on lethal killstreaks (You will get pinged while using chopper gunner for example). Without SBMM you could leave it as is, the challenges present + masteries make it worth it especially with 2XP. Fword SBMM for making every aspect of COD worse.
No hardcore test is a shame. Its pretty great in HC yes you are loadly beeping but in situations where your holding an area in HC its not as big a detriment imo
While this thing is fun to pop out for fun, it's not well balanced. The risk is too high for the limited reward. I think they didn't want to make it too powerful and give too much score, but in the current state, it's only good for some giggles or challenging yourself. I _have_ survived the full minute and 150 score is paltry. Buff needed.
Between the lure and hostage system there would be the chance at some real comedy if you couldn't get banned from being to naughty in vc. Even though it's an m rated game full of killing.
After getting the gold badge for it, yeah no it's pretty awful. The worst part is the damn activation takes so long and isn't even sped up by strategist
Now I want to try a 6man stack in SnD where everyone uses decoys, unsuppressed weapons, and signal lure at the same time to blow up the minimap with pings
Game crash
I’d love to see that
That's honestly the only way I'd even consider using that field upgrade. I'd need a whole party to be onboard with it 😂
@@InvntdXNEWROMAN 6-man signal lure activation, lots of annoying pings visually on map and that damn sound in the enemy's ears and we shall blot out the sky with decoys!
You’re a madman
The only change it needs is for my comms to be heard by the enemy. You get 25 points per kill for "taunting" but i want to actuality taunt them.
Your comms do go through at least for me it allows me to speak to the enemy team
You’d be talking to nobody most of the time
That's what it does
This is actually a fantastic idea
@@DannyFenton217 does it? I have heard the enemies before, but never gotten them to respond to me. Made me think it didn't
Staying alive for a full minute is very hard in this game, since you can get shot from 12 different angles and people constantly spawn directly behind you and shoot you in the back
That's just called stakeout
Exactly
From behind 😤
@@lookatthisdude7524that’s any map in this game 🤣 i stopped playing normal maps bc if i’m going to constantly die in my spawn i might as well play face off doesn’t help the map design in this game is horrendous
Signal lure + smoke, signal lure while you're the HVT, signal lure when you have a shotgun and Flak Jacket in a tight space, signal lure + decoy grenades, signal lure while your team has a counter UAV up, signal lure + jammer, signal lure to get enemies into range of your sentry turret or run over your blast traps or any combination of the above. It's a fun addon to another strat, not a strat unto itself
Signal Lure in Kill Order as the HVT or while near the HVT is great!
This is why I like to read comments. I always learn something new even if it's just a small feature.
Thanks for letting us know how much you camp. #get better
@@officialdoughbae675 you okay?... crybaby
Unless they've recently fixed it, signal lure is bugged as the HVT where you can't replate armour while its active ( same with the other field upgrades which have timers) so make sure to only use it when you have no spare plates left.
Signal Lure in Hardcore is pretty good, because they only get the audio portion (Assuming they don't have a UAV/Scout Pulse/HARP/etc...). Getting 25 extra score plus Bankroll means a scout pulse in two kills, and archangel in 4.
Use dispatcher and you get a scout pulse in 1 kill + assist.
At this point Ace should just be the multiplayer director. He always has great ideas or solutions to problems
People said the same about Drift0r. Then he stopped caring. Activision have had their hands burnt by content creators many times and I think they will hesitate to be so involved with them moving forward.
@@pigeonstrangler drift0r is mentally unstable. ace is like the chillest most well-adjusted guy who plays this game
@ People thought Drift0r was mentally stable though. People didn’t know DrDisRespect was a sex predator until that came out. Look at the Mr.Beast scandal now. We know nothing about these people in real life. What you have is a parasocial relationship with a content creator.
TmarTn was flown out to a COD event by Activision, allowed to post gameplay early, they gave him the full VIP treatment. When he went home he file dumped the footage, published a “final thoughts” of the game 5 mins after release, and never posted anything on that channel again.
Activision will treat these people with great scepticism.
@@pigeonstrangler Sorry, I'm never going to vibe with the whole "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. What good is knowing someone in real life? Joseph DeAngelo's daughter thought he was the perfect father. In case you didn't know, that's the Golden State Killer. He killed at least 12 people, committed dozens of rapes and hundreds of burglaries. His wife never suspected anything either.
Still, you are correct that it is not in Activision's best interests to hire these people. It's just a shame for the players.
@ You might not “vibe” with it. But Twitvh and TH-cam take these issues very seriously. DrDisRespect was booted off Twitch and has been denied monetisation here on TH-cam. Mr.Beast has many friends arrested with very questionable text messages. TmarTn and Drift0r acted like jerks and took that company for a ride. Then there’s the entire bundle candle where streamers demanded their content be removed from store after the were paid and signed contracts.
Activision need to distance themselves from these content creators. They have had their hands burnt too many times.
Also the benefits of knowing a person in reality, versus online, are self evident. Go watch a compilation of people being catfished. You know nothing about this person Exclusive Ace - Nothing at all.
YES! Ive been waiting for a video about Signal Lure on TH-cam. I wasnt entirely sure what Signal Lure did. The in-game description is very vague.
It’s not vague at all… it’s pretty self explanatory
@@OMGItzSlickerzmost of the descriptions in this game suck dude, especially weapon attachments
@@OMGItzSlickerz So you can get from the description that it makes a sound, it pings you every 3 seconds on the minimap, it gives 150 score bonus after surviving a minute, etc? Impressive!
It reveals your location to enemies and you can hear their voice chat.
You have your game in the wrong language?
@ it doesn’t NEED to tell you how much score it gives you 🤣
It tells you that you’re revealed & you get bonus score whilst using it ffs, it’s not my fault you’re slow as fuck
Imho, they should increase the score earned from kills while also adding score earned every 30 seconds, also increasing the score earned from surviving the full duration to make it really worthwhile to use.
Maybe increase the amount of score earned from killing the person running it, too, while raising the time to activate by 15 seconds for normal and 10 with Gear Head
signal lure kill streaks: not as powerful as normal streaks or it modifies existing streaks
This makes me want to make a class with Signal Lure, dispatcher, gearhead, Strategist specialty, and perk greed for Bank roll. See how fast you can get score streaks.
Would've been fun to use 12 years ago when more people talked.
Yeah true, it's sad for a multiplayer war game
It may be pretty solid in Hardpoint and Kill Order, where opponents will see your location anyway
That’s what kinda bugs me about this video. He doesn’t consider other gamemodes besides TDM and Domination.
even in hp i dont really see the use. if youre giving away your position by playing obiective youre much, much better off with trophy systems to survive the inevitable nade spam unless you have a full team
unless youre partied up or running the wildcard that lets you pick two field upgrades i guess but even then i feel gearhead for more trophies + bankroll with perk greed for the extra score is a better option
@@SimonBlueBerrythe 2 field upgrade wildcard is useless you use one and then both need recharging by the time you get it back, whatever benefit you got from one will be gone by the time you use the other
@@tylers92 i know but i was thinking more if some other teammates are alreasy using trophies you can use the lure if theres already a trophy or your own trophy if there isnt......but id still prefer stacking trophies anyway in the vast majority of situations so heh
The survival bonus at the end should scale based on how aggressive you were while it was active. You could take the extra points you accumulated over the minute and double it. That would prevent someone from getting a free bonus from hiding, and further reward players for putting themselves at a disadvantage.
Example
4 kills -> 25x4 = 100
Survival bonus -> 100x2 = 200
I feel the signal lure is quite risky in core but feasable in hardcore. War cry earns you 15 XP per teammate near you, so on 10v10 you can earn roughly the same amount with only flares giving you away for 5 seconds as opposed to a literal signal lure giving you away. Not to mention, any teammates playing aggressive or getting shot at will get benefitted too.
I really wanted the Sleeper Agent effect, where you could talk to the enemy team while it's up.
I love the signal lure, it is so much fun. Your ideas for tweaking the signal lure are nice.
Would love to see a “Best Rear Grip” video next! I haven’t had a chance to actually test out the slide to fire speeds and would love your take on them all (as well as any hidden attributes).
Only have used it when daily missions require it. Surprisingly better than I expected, using a close range weapon and sticking to small areas I find signal lure gives the extra enemy traffic I want. The extra points you get add up and feel nice as well.
I've tried this. Using Signal Lure to lure enemies to me for faster kills. There's a chance it was effective, still not good lol
Something you didn’t point out is that you can live ping the enemy (via the tac map as it’s an objective marker) and see their live position every time it updates. You could also ping your own (white variant of the) icon to let teammates know you have it on.
One setup with the signal lure that I really enjoy using is equipping an XMG with the 200 round mag upgrade and a high-zoom scope and just non-stop firing down long lanes or choke points. It may not be the most practical, but I find it both hilarious and satisfying.
It’s MAYBE all in some objective game modes, hard point and kill point for example, but still not worth going without a different field upgrade
If the enemy team can already see you then it's great. For example if you're the HVT or the enemy team has constant UAVs up.
If you are going for mastery badges on all your field upgrades, use signal lure in stakeout 24/7. People find u in 2 seconds regardless, there are no negatives. I mastered it without any chat audio on😊
CUAV, Sentry, Overwatch Helo, and 3 red perks for enforcer. and a gun that can take out a streak is probably your best bet. It's easier for enemies to walk into a sentry trap if there's a glowing dot baiting them. and it sounds fun fortifying some area and announcing yourself as an optional objective in TDM or something.
i have to agree , this needs a buff, the concept is cool tho high risk = high reward ( but at this stage its high risk = low reward )
I’ve gotten many dreadnaughts with signal lure. I play the objective very hard so often it doesn’t matter if the enemy knows where I am because I’m on the point. You can stack points very fast. I like the guardian perk with flak jacket for lots of staying power.
Theoretically, could do an EOD class with Flak Jacket + Shadow + Gearhead. You find and hack enemy equipment then pop this to lead foes into "your" traps.
Can use preper wildcard to run both the sig lure and morphine injector. Use the lure then then morphine to increase survival odds.
Other option is an enforcer assassin. Scavenger + Assassin + Bank roll. Run greed for dispatcher. Earn a counter uav, pop signal lure, go nuts.
Used this a few days ago for the first time and thought it was great! Combining with strategist is great for streaks
In kill confirmed, with signal lure, strat, and bank, you can get a chopper gunner in about 7 kills
Yeah for Smg rush strats, but only if people feed themselves to you and run at you like dummies
I've had a lot of fun with the lure in Kill Order, just using it when I'm the HVT. The enemy already knows where I am and I can see them coming on the mini map. With the added survivability perks of being HVT, it's not unusual for me to get that full minute bonus
I mainly play HC Objective games and it's been very useful in that regard. Just pulling people away from the OBJ so my team can cap it since people are insistent on playing TDM in these modes. Having people Lemminging into my LMG has really done wonders for my Headshot goals.
I laughed out loud when you could basically hear the signal lure clear as day but that guy's footsteps were COMPLETELY inaudible. I get he could have had Ninja on for testing but this is basically footstep audio in game for me
I don’t think I’ve ran into anyone using this.
I use the Signal Lure playing Hardcore Objective Game Modes on my Assault classes combined with Strategist. The point buff for something like holding like a hardpoint with no enemy UAV up racks up my streaks fast. It’s much less risk in that circumstance
4:19 note, the signal lure is somewhat better in hardcore, as there isn’t a constant mini map, though that minute is sufficiently harder.
We need a toggle on the elimations to count as assists. So we can get a more accurate understanding of our match kd. Instead the game just gives u an "Elimination" for an assist when it should just be an assist
in MW2 - BO2 times, we used to play SnD and troll the enemies in a way that onw guy would expose himself and lure the enemies into a trap, either with claymores, or hiding with shotguns. so in that instance, signal lure would be really great. but then again, these type of lobbies do not exist anymore.
Got my first dreadnought in TDM using signal lure, bank roll, and dispatcher today.
Imagine if it was a live ping on the minimap like Blackbird, but if you survive for the whole minute you get an AC130. I think it would be funny to see people trying to survive and hide, all while the entire enemy team is chasing you.
Only palce I use it is HC Kill Order as the HVT. Youre al;ready being tracked and you get streaks easier.
I like the challenge. Also, the idea of "taunting" the enemy just sounds badass
I was really excited to unlock this because I thought it would have great potential for trolling. Unfortunately, I never hear anyone in comms in the first place. If I do, it's usually just someone breathing into their open mic.
streaking around naked with the signal lure should give you bravery points
Strategist gives you so much score by comparison, with bankroll and dispatcher stacks its even more insane. Signal lure seems like a funny meme by comparison
TBH. To a degree, that mini map revealing characteristic of signal lure has the potential to be used for traps if you know what you are doing.
I was grinding the medals for the field upgrades and used this in HC. You can complete it in a few games if you get maps like stakeout or pit. But what caught me off guard was the comment on “people aren’t acutely using callouts” as I noticed it a lot using this field upgrade
I could probably count the amount of games I have played where I hear death comm callouts on one hand. (We could also just be in totally different skill brackets/ or people could just be in party chats)
@@loadedexcrement it might be a console vs pc thing but I have noticed a lot in open chat even if they are in a party, and the callouts are insane 😂 it feels like every game is a competitive game, cdl vibes
In my opinion the signal lure should act like a portable radar for yourself while having the current downsides. That way there isn’t a reliance on voice comms and you aren’t at a disadvantage to the enemy team that can see you on the map.
The whole point is to put yourself at a disadvantage tho. It's literally a taunt, wether or not you can handle that is on you. It's not supposed to make you stronger in exchange.
@ Stronger how? Yea you can create diversions and other things with it but one of the gimmicks is to listen into enemy comms but if the enemy team doesn’t speak in game then you are at a more disadvantage. You can’t predict every outcome of a fight and with how fast this game is the signal lure in most cases can be a death sentence instead of a taunt to the enemy team.
Plus they get a bigger pay out from killing you than you do to them.
I got my first HAARP and Dreadnought with SL and all the other score perks. I also used UAV and CUAV
Used this to help me get my first Chopper Gunner on Babylon. 💪
The thing you neglected to talk about is the power of hearing enemy coms and other game modes.
If the enemies are communicating they have to stop talking or you can relay what they are doing to your entire team, yes this isn't common but this is incredibly power when it does happen as it is almost like stream sniping. In modes like SnD it is possible to exploit this for free score for Attackers as it forces Defenders to make some really bad plays to stop that score and if you had a way to turn off the minimap you could combine it with this for more score.
Most people who comm seriously are in discord in SnD
Thanks for making this, I think it would be good in hardcore since I assume it is only shows on the mini maps which you don’t have in HC.
Edit: I had no idea about the audio component, well I think it is weak right now, personally I would get rid of the audio to make it balanced.
Buff final reward (150->250)
Add 25 score per 10 seconds
Decrease points for the enemy from 200 to 125
It should let you taunt the enemy team. That’s actually the most important change I would make.
Also, in general, I think it’s a really good idea but it needs some changes. You should probably get a way bigger bonus than +150 for living that long.
Should easily be at least 50 points per kill and 500 for surviving a full minute, for the disadvantages u gain. Surviving a full minute just normally is hard enough, plus other perks and combinations give u way better score without the downsides, like Strategist, Assassin, etc
I could see maybe
Pop it if you’re close to your desired killstreak (HAARP, Chopper gunner)and don’t care about dying soon after. The slight bump could maybe make a difference 🤷. Maybe use it to spam uavs with the green perks included🤷🏾♂️
I've been playing the game heavily since launch and haven't seen this at all. I used it in 1 match for a daily challenge, but that's it
Definitely need to up the score. Honestly i think they undertuned it and would rather buff it incrementally. But they need to buff it asap
I’ve yet to run to any one using this. The rewards are worth the risk like you said. I think it needs to bump up the score earned to be worth it.
Other way to see the signal lure: You are putting yourself at a disadvantage.
Therefore players will kill you more and your SBMM will be cranked down a bit.
Few games later. You can benefit from the extra points of the signal lure as if it was nothing cause players will be weaker than what you usually fight.
This is more of a team thing than anything. If you use Signal Lure with teammates on comms you can make some nasty plays.
The +25 score for killing an enemy is a bit too weak. For several different types of other kills in the game (smoke grenade kills, scrambler kills, etc.), you get +15 to your score -- that's only 10 points less than Signal Lure. That just doesn't seem right at all. And only getting +100 score after surviving a full minute is really not good value at all. I think the following changes would make it worth running and much more fun to play:
- Increase score to +35 for each kill.
- For every 15 seconds you survive, you get an increasing amount of score up to the full minute as follows: +15, +30, +50, +55 -- for a total of 150 score for surviving the whole minute.
- To balance the above changes more, enemies can now see your dot on the mini-map at an increased rate.
- Make the activation time much faster. Right now, it takes around 3 seconds to activate Signal Lure. It should only take 750 milliseconds. It would just make much more sense for a Field Upgrade that is about luring enemies and getting kills.
Obviously the specific numbers I listed can be changed, but you get the idea.
With some equipment or field upgrade I was relieved when I got the mastery badges done
It’s pretty simple. You almost never see it used in game. Therefore it desperately needs a buff. The only buff I could see inticing people to use it is to increase the score to +50 per kill maybe even +100. A random scrambler is just always going to give you more score than a signal lure through assists and that actually helps you in game versus signal lure being a handicap to yourself for no real benefit.
I think it should be every 10 seconds you get +5 each time. So 25, 30, 35, 40, 45... You should be able to talk to the enemy. Every kill you get should do some kind of trolly thing to them. It's basically a taunt and if you can kill people while it is active, something should happen to them. And then surviving completely, 500 points. However, I do see is people are able to cheese it and maybe get to a place that is very difficult to get to and then just wait.
Would love for a melee weapon breakdown. The ones in mw3 were super helpful. Could you also compare the melee weapons speed with the fastest SMG (saug with ranger and light stock). Thanks!
Hey XclusiveAce Ive been wondering whats the best gun to use to shoot down scorestreaks in this game and would love to hear your break it down!
I just used Signal Lure until I got the 100 kills with it, same as every other field upgrade that I don't actually want to use so that I can start getting diamond on the ones I do.
I've gotten really good games with this thing by locking down lines of sight with an LMG and activating it. Revealing your position this way isn't a big deal when you don't really intend on being hidden, and can actually work in your favor by baiting people into being out in the open. But I think if your playstyle relies more on flanking and getting close, you'd want to stay away from using this.
This is my favorite field upgrade but I havent used it lately because im trying to get the mastery badges for every field upgrade.
I used for a daily challenge, but won’t fine myself using it otherwise 🤜💥
I think it would be useful if you are going to lock down an area with bouncing betties and the like. Basically good for campers and those who can effectively use the decoy grenade. Other than that, I wouldn't use it.
Ace, I know you don't play Hardcore, but do you think you could show what happens within the Hardcore game when people use these different things? I always play HC and I've never seen this on a mini map. Does this give the enemy a free mini map during the duration. Since I'm blind, I can't see these things but I can hear and learn. 😁
Dude has been doing developers work for years. Amazes me how little description comes with stuff in so many games
Break down health regen next! I want to know how bruiser works with the enforcer specialty.
That and stacked with the War Cry field upgrade as well as the Guardian perk when using the Perk Greed card.
I’m almost gold mastery with signal lure. Had no idea there was a bonus XP for surviving. Never lived that long.
Also not very good.
ALSO had no idea it was giving so many points to the other team.
This thing sucks.
If you are trying to level up shotguns signal lure + smoke grenades = best friend
I think it should work like a reverse HARP but give you double score for every kill you get while exposed
I’ve used it to bait people into my shock stick + blast trap combo (hilarious), but beyond being amusing I don’t see a ton of value here. I do like like the idea of using it as the HVT but that’s pretty situational.
I haven’t seen anyone using this doesn’t look like near enough of a benefit only 25 extra is crazy
The very rare half-baked video from Ace. Does counter uav completely negate this while it's active? What about scout pulse and uav, or the uav on steroids.
Got the gold for this yesterday. Stakeout + LMG. 😉
SBMM makes this useless but it could be balanced, this field upgrade gets 25sec cooldown and gets 50+ score (and player XP) on lethal killstreaks (You will get pinged while using chopper gunner for example). Without SBMM you could leave it as is, the challenges present + masteries make it worth it especially with 2XP. Fword SBMM for making every aspect of COD worse.
I feel like signal lure could be a lot better if the duration was only 30 seconds and gave 135 score per kill with a + 200 score survival bonus.
The signal lure should be on an autonomous RCXD that drives itself around the map 🤔
It reminds me of putting on Scrambler in MW2009, except worse. Not very good.
It’s actually not bad in HC since most of the time in HC unless they have an UAV in the air they can’t see that ping.
I like videos like these.
You become walking bait for campers if your doing good though
No hardcore test is a shame. Its pretty great in HC yes you are loadly beeping but in situations where your holding an area in HC its not as big a detriment imo
Here’s an easy solution, flip around the amount of score gained when surviving a full minute with Signal Lure vs killing someone with it
250 score per kill would be busted af
While this thing is fun to pop out for fun, it's not well balanced. The risk is too high for the limited reward. I think they didn't want to make it too powerful and give too much score, but in the current state, it's only good for some giggles or challenging yourself.
I _have_ survived the full minute and 150 score is paltry. Buff needed.
It might be useful during counter uav.
Used this with the semi auto shtogun playing very aggressively and did ok
Between the lure and hostage system there would be the chance at some real comedy if you couldn't get banned from being to naughty in vc. Even though it's an m rated game full of killing.
Hey can you do a video about pellet spread with shotguns and which attachments are better. Like is the tactical laser better than the choke
it should genuinely give like 500 score if you survive the minute. wont even be op
25 bonus score just isn’t enough. It should be 75-100 additional score based on how much score streaks take
so in short: useless but funni
i like that its bad because its clearly a meme item thats meant to be that way and every game needs some of those
After getting the gold badge for it, yeah no it's pretty awful. The worst part is the damn activation takes so long and isn't even sped up by strategist
I don't think ace sees the true potential of signal lure. It allows you to be toxic and talk smack to the other team