I absolutely love you put all specs in order of power despite being healer range or melee. Most people are scared to compare melee to ranged. I agree with most of your assessments.
Hey guys! I hope all is well; if you'd like to see more tier lists in the future please feel free to ask for them! I hope my placements make sense to you - if they don't feel free to leave a comment, I LOVE having these conversations with people and I'm always down to listen to your points of view! Thank you all for you massive amount of support as always! If you do enjoy my content; feel free to come check me out LIVE on Twitch sometime! www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo
Hey man, great video. Im a returning player and im trying to find a class to main for all PVP content. Im stuck between DK, DH & Warrior. What would you choose, going into TWW also? Thanks man!
Going into TWW, I HIGHLY suggest going Death Knight (Rider of the Apocalypse) in the current build for the game (patch wise), they're looking very solid in my opinion. Thanks for watching!!
Haha this applies to pretty much everyone in my opinion; I try really hard to keep my tier lists not biased to the best players in the game because that could definitely sway the opinion on how some classes play LOL It's also for every bracket as well, I will say Demon Hunter and Arms Warriors are VERY good in 2v2s (They're also good in 3s, but they are kings of melee in 2s imo.)
Love how he said it, but itsso true, both ww and dh are just a better arms warrior right now, they took everything warriors had and added even more mobility and defensives and more dmg on top of it xD, its true warrior might have more ways to help out their team mates in 3s environment but in shuffle it just doesnt matter at all...
It definitely has a lot of potential, I think in Solo Shuffle it's a bit better because the games are chaotic and a little less organized; in high rated 3s it feels relatively easy to deal with. I do think I may have placed it a bit low but its definitely not bad in any means (I mean it is a warlock after all LMAO)
Great list! Do you have any tips on how to defeat Aff locks in SS and 3s? I’m around 1750-1900 right now playing my Devoker as well as Ele. And I really struggle against them. A common thing I hear from healers is they won’t dispel UA bc it hits so hard.
@@JosiahFreeman-fd5ky Honestly it's just a pressure game vs aff locks, if you can keep them on their backfoot early and continue the pressure the game really falls into your hands; it's when they gain ANY momentum is when aff becomes super scary because then it just begins doing endless damage/pressure. I do have a good amount of games vs aff lock, and in my newest video of me hitting glad I fight some of the best aff locks in NA! Feel free to go check that out and see how I play vs them on average. I do really really like using spam sleep vs them - also make sure to cauterizing flame off 18 stack Agonys/Curse of Tongues from yourself. th-cam.com/video/wTxC-z3OgUI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AqGd1k7YN2cAVbOK
So glad I found you, brother. This is so helpful. I played WoW for a few mos. during WOTLK but stopped. Then I picked it back up about 3 mos. ago and have pvped for 2 months. It’s a lot to learn. I have a friend with a priest and rsham. What kind of comps would be good for 3s? We’d like to get to 2k-2.2k. And what would our game plan be with those comps? I’m finding it hard to find this specific information online. Again, thanks for your quick reply. Subbed!
@@JosiahFreeman-fd5ky Thank you so much for subbing! If you have a friend that's a priest (assuming shadow priest) and a resto shaman, your best comp hands down would be Shadowplay which is Warlock *Any spec works*, Shadow Priest, Rsham and ideally you just want to stand max distance away from one another; and hit anything in both your line of sight and the priests line of sight. Eventually you will win the game on pressure alone - you can also force massive cooldowns early on and play around that by abusing people without trinkets by mortal coiling > stuns etc. Now if you plan to play Devastation Evoker, Shadow Priest, Rsham (It could work just not the best imo.) I'd suggest your game plan would look something around the lines of, as the devastation evoker landing a Deep Breath on both of the DPS players and doing your traditional "burst" go (Dragonrage, Shattering Star, Eternity Surge, Tip Fire Breath, Disintegrates) - the shadow priest should Silence > Stun (Psychic Horror) > Fear on the healer every single time he can (Every 40ish seconds.) If you want to extend your stun window on the main kill target your rsham can DR Lightning Lasso either the healer off the fear or the kill target off the Deep Breath stun to extend the go. Every 30-40 seconds as Devoker Spriest Rsham you should have a really solid kill window, it's just rotating around your crowd control. Don't force your goes too fast; just focus on the set up of the game. I hope this helps and feel free to ask anymore questions! Also feel free to join my Discord today!! discord.gg/5bXA2eyGUt
Thank you! That's what I've called him traditionally but then I was watching Jellybeans stream and he was queing with Bicmex's teammate Rat who was pronouncing it Bis-Mex and I was omega confused. I think he was trolling the name intentionally though idk LOL
I don’t know if you kicked me from the voice chat on purpose or not or from the server would just like to know what I did to get kicked. I’ve always found your videos. Very helpful.
Oh we were queing 3s so we had to have kinda clear comms I'm sorry buddy, I was just in the wrong voice channel with them lol. Wasn't meant to be intentional or to be taken in a mean way. If you ever wanna chill out in voice I have no problem with that! :) We just didn't mean to be in Hang Out Voice lol.
www.wowhead.com/item=207776/grotto-netherwing-drake-black-scales Earned from "Now THIS is Dragon Racing!" Meta Achievement. So it takes a little time but SUPER worth it imo, I loveeeee the black scales on the Netherdrake!
I don't understand why they still put Prot paladins into their own bracket. Prot pallies do worse heals than most hybrid dps. It makes no sense at all.
I’ve been playing pvp for a very long time and this is probably one of the most accurate tier lists I’ve seen for the current meta.
That means a lot to me! Thank you so much for watching and for the comment. :)
I absolutely love you put all specs in order of power despite being healer range or melee. Most people are scared to compare melee to ranged. I agree with most of your assessments.
Thanks! I appreciate you watching! I try to keep it semi-organized. It can be a lil hard for sure haha.
Hey guys! I hope all is well; if you'd like to see more tier lists in the future please feel free to ask for them! I hope my placements make sense to you - if they don't feel free to leave a comment, I LOVE having these conversations with people and I'm always down to listen to your points of view! Thank you all for you massive amount of support as always!
If you do enjoy my content; feel free to come check me out LIVE on Twitch sometime! www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo
Oooo love to see a tier list from you again always solid man thanks
Of course! Thank you for watching as always! :)
Subbed for a really well thought out and explained tier list. Looking forward to the next.
Thank you so much for commenting and watching! :)
Love those explanations, keep going😊
Thank you so much for watching! :)
Hey man, great video. Im a returning player and im trying to find a class to main for all PVP content. Im stuck between DK, DH & Warrior. What would you choose, going into TWW also? Thanks man!
Going into TWW, I HIGHLY suggest going Death Knight (Rider of the Apocalypse) in the current build for the game (patch wise), they're looking very solid in my opinion.
Thanks for watching!!
Does anyone remember, when dh was not an S tier?
It's been 84 years...
is this also for 2v2 and 3v3 or only for AWC, what im asking is does this tierlist applys for us casualy players (under 2800 rating xd)
Haha this applies to pretty much everyone in my opinion; I try really hard to keep my tier lists not biased to the best players in the game because that could definitely sway the opinion on how some classes play LOL
It's also for every bracket as well, I will say Demon Hunter and Arms Warriors are VERY good in 2v2s (They're also good in 3s, but they are kings of melee in 2s imo.)
Love how he said it, but itsso true, both ww and dh are just a better arms warrior right now, they took everything warriors had and added even more mobility and defensives and more dmg on top of it xD, its true warrior might have more ways to help out their team mates in 3s environment but in shuffle it just doesnt matter at all...
Yessirrrr; it's just the life of warrior currently. A bit over shadowed sadly.
Engagement for the homie
I HAVE APPRECIATE THAT BRO :)
Been in some lobbies with some Affl locks that are doing crazy dmg
It definitely has a lot of potential, I think in Solo Shuffle it's a bit better because the games are chaotic and a little less organized; in high rated 3s it feels relatively easy to deal with.
I do think I may have placed it a bit low but its definitely not bad in any means (I mean it is a warlock after all LMAO)
Great list! Do you have any tips on how to defeat Aff locks in SS and 3s? I’m around 1750-1900 right now playing my Devoker as well as Ele. And I really struggle against them. A common thing I hear from healers is they won’t dispel UA bc it hits so hard.
@@JosiahFreeman-fd5ky Honestly it's just a pressure game vs aff locks, if you can keep them on their backfoot early and continue the pressure the game really falls into your hands; it's when they gain ANY momentum is when aff becomes super scary because then it just begins doing endless damage/pressure.
I do have a good amount of games vs aff lock, and in my newest video of me hitting glad I fight some of the best aff locks in NA! Feel free to go check that out and see how I play vs them on average.
I do really really like using spam sleep vs them - also make sure to cauterizing flame off 18 stack Agonys/Curse of Tongues from yourself.
th-cam.com/video/wTxC-z3OgUI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AqGd1k7YN2cAVbOK
So glad I found you, brother. This is so helpful. I played WoW for a few mos. during WOTLK but stopped. Then I picked it back up about 3 mos. ago and have pvped for 2 months. It’s a lot to learn. I have a friend with a priest and rsham. What kind of comps would be good for 3s? We’d like to get to 2k-2.2k. And what would our game plan be with those comps? I’m finding it hard to find this specific information online. Again, thanks for your quick reply. Subbed!
@@JosiahFreeman-fd5ky Thank you so much for subbing!
If you have a friend that's a priest (assuming shadow priest) and a resto shaman, your best comp hands down would be Shadowplay which is Warlock *Any spec works*, Shadow Priest, Rsham and ideally you just want to stand max distance away from one another; and hit anything in both your line of sight and the priests line of sight. Eventually you will win the game on pressure alone - you can also force massive cooldowns early on and play around that by abusing people without trinkets by mortal coiling > stuns etc.
Now if you plan to play Devastation Evoker, Shadow Priest, Rsham (It could work just not the best imo.) I'd suggest your game plan would look something around the lines of, as the devastation evoker landing a Deep Breath on both of the DPS players and doing your traditional "burst" go (Dragonrage, Shattering Star, Eternity Surge, Tip Fire Breath, Disintegrates) - the shadow priest should Silence > Stun (Psychic Horror) > Fear on the healer every single time he can (Every 40ish seconds.)
If you want to extend your stun window on the main kill target your rsham can DR Lightning Lasso either the healer off the fear or the kill target off the Deep Breath stun to extend the go.
Every 30-40 seconds as Devoker Spriest Rsham you should have a really solid kill window, it's just rotating around your crowd control. Don't force your goes too fast; just focus on the set up of the game.
I hope this helps and feel free to ask anymore questions! Also feel free to join my Discord today!! discord.gg/5bXA2eyGUt
I think it's "Bick-mex"? At least according to Snupy, who plays with him at times.
Thank you! That's what I've called him traditionally but then I was watching Jellybeans stream and he was queing with Bicmex's teammate Rat who was pronouncing it Bis-Mex and I was omega confused.
I think he was trolling the name intentionally though idk LOL
Nice list
Thanks man!!
I don’t know if you kicked me from the voice chat on purpose or not or from the server would just like to know what I did to get kicked. I’ve always found your videos. Very helpful.
Oh we were queing 3s so we had to have kinda clear comms I'm sorry buddy, I was just in the wrong voice channel with them lol.
Wasn't meant to be intentional or to be taken in a mean way.
If you ever wanna chill out in voice I have no problem with that! :) We just didn't mean to be in Hang Out Voice lol.
How did you get this dragon skin
www.wowhead.com/item=207776/grotto-netherwing-drake-black-scales
Earned from "Now THIS is Dragon Racing!" Meta Achievement. So it takes a little time but SUPER worth it imo, I loveeeee the black scales on the Netherdrake!
@@Grimlocked Ty
I don't understand why they still put Prot paladins into their own bracket. Prot pallies do worse heals than most hybrid dps. It makes no sense at all.
Yea it is genuinely VERY weird in my opinion lol.
Blessing of Spellwarding is a Protection talent
It is also a Ret PvP Talent haha :)
@@Grimlocked damn didn't realize, that's preeeeeeeetty good
@@rjakeconnelly Definitely helps them a BUNCH vs certain classes! :)
Would be cool to find someone to play with.
It's really hard; I did a lottt of like... networking via social media to find the team I currently play with :(