Thanks to the GOAT for being a great sport for such a long video and making it a lot of fun! I learned so much even after 14 years of playing it's ridiculous. Also, thanks to YOU for 200,000 subscribers. A bit late, but this is the 200K sub special - thanks for all the support, hope it makes your day a little bit better - GLHF
Thanks for special, this truly is a treat. I love Serral. Maybe you could do this more often. Reynor and Clem speak english too. If you guys like this, like and subscribe, that is how we are gonna get more of these. Maybe not, but do it anyway.
I feel like serral is so good, he cannot explain what he does, it is just instinct. Like asking someone directions and they forget all the street names but still know how to get everywhere with back alleys and side streets under 10 mins.
Yea, i think everyone knows that feeling if they did something for long enough. The easiest example - your native language. You probably dont rember half the basic rules
No it is just that he is from the Nordics. Nordic people are very bad at explaining to non Nordic people, since what he does is basically explaining to you in a Nordic way. The cultural barrier is extremely high between the Nordics and the rest of the planet, for non Nordics it seems like they are bad at explaining but in fact it is just another world. Even after years living here it still amazes me every day, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with his skill level, it is a cultural thing and he actually explains quite a lot just not for non Nordic people. He in fact just does the standard and there are no tricks. That's it.
Tarkus here, I was completely thrown off by the cannon rush since you don't get rushed by the AI that early. Though my thought was that after watching Winter a lot, many cannon rushers tend to mis macro a lot since they have to manage 2 separate things (the rush and their base) so I just tried to calm down while thinking "the more he invests, the more eco advantage I get". Also the CC first was because in an old video, Winter said it was somewhat safer than 1 racks into CC since you build the CC immediately before the opponent gets units. Outside of that, I forgot to get 3/3 gas on my bases which hurt my production a lot since I wanted to get more Ghosts and upgrades but I had no gas. After the wipe, I didn't resign because I had a lot of ressources and I've seen many players give up too early after losing fights so I just went back to macro. In the end I was suprised that I won at all especially since my opponent actually gave up with 1.6K minerals and 800 gas. For most of my decisions, it was based on what I've learned from watching Winter: -Build SCVs till you hit 75 and build em constantly -Don't stare at fights and manage the production while the fight is happening -Upgrades , Production , Economy, Units, Attack -Try to get to 200/200 before attacking (I attacked in the end bc my opponent lost the fight but I would've waited for 200/200 otherwise). -Build more production buildings (racks, factories, starport) -Don't use Select all army -Send scouts to expos to check for hidden bases which worked since I found the bottom left base -Build units while fighting so you get reinforcements -Spend your ressources (didn't have enough gas to but if I did I wouldn't have hit 3K minerals lel)
Hey, it seems to me like you've absorbed a lot of information from watching all these videos, and made a lot of good choices. Probably overcommitted on the bunkers, 1 would probably have been enough. And going into tanks would probably have gotten you out faster, and in the meantime you just use those extra minerals you sunk into bunkers to build enough marines to keep anything he might send up the ramp away from you. Other than that, it was a pretty good job. I personally think you would have easily beaten the gold Zerg player from the second game in this video, I genuinely think your Protoss opponent played better than they did, so take that for whatever you think its worth lol
Intro: "Probably has a plan, I feel like even lower players have a plan" That is correct. However, rarely has been Mike Tysons famous: "Everybody has a plan until he gets punched in the face" more true. In lower leagues, as long as nothing happened the plan works (more or less well), but as soon as stuff happens it falls apart. And no, I don't say that to spite the lower ranks, I only play a handful of matches myself and I am only Gold 1 / Plat 3, so I know what I am talking about because I see it happen in every single game I play^^ Thank you Winter, thank you Serral for this highly entertaining video :) I love how Serral got more and more comfortable with this kind of things, with streaming, speaking English... - there is a huge difference if you watch/listen to him today copared to a few years ago. As a non-native English speaker myself I completly relate :) 27:30 the discussion about "gg": Personally, I always replay "gg" if the opponents types it and most of the time I have enough time because people do not leave instantanously. Same with me if I loose. I type gg, wait a few seconds to give the opponent time to respond and then I leave. I feel like replaying with gg is much nicer than not to do it. And from the (extremly little) games I play I'd say that the majority does "gg" and replies with "gg".
In addition, the plans tend to very vague and superficial at lower levels. They don't know how to adapt to scouting, they usually do poor builds or just the same one in every game. Lower levels are riddled with unforced errors, and most people overestimate how much they know about the game so they don't realise how much they're ignoring or not noticing in game. Tastosis come to mind. SC2 is a brutal game.
As somebody who mostly plays campaign, I'm still sort of amazed by the first game - you hit the nail on the head that your Terran viewer was "booksmart", that's exactly how it felt the entire time. I have played some ladder, but it's SO different from playing campaign because there's usually no real pressure on you in the campaign... So you never had to deal with the enemy's probe harass or cannon rushes or all-ins, you could usually just macro up in peace. Then when you go ladder, you might know everything you need to know, but it gets REAL hard to switch your focus between micro and macro efficiently enough. You CAN get good by playing the campaign, but playing ladder requires PRACTICE 😅
Thanks for this video Winter and Serral!! At age 63, I know I am too old to be competitive in Starcraft, but I really enjoy watching the videos and listening to the commentary. I still play Starcraft, but mostly against the AI.
Wicked cool that serral came and did this im starting to wonder if i underestimated winter in the overall scope of sc2. I mean im newer to watching and i dont play but i thought he was just like the other 1000 people who cast games. Never expected him to get the best player in the world to have a sit in
serral is currently in the military though he's still gonna try to play in what tournaments he can. i don't think he has enough time to dedicate to actually coach someone.
6 mins in and this is such a good series idea. Smashing like button now winter. or Vinter as Serral would say. Thanks for coming on the show Serral you are a funny dude.
Serral saying "n is close to your thumb" blew my mind. I've never thought to use my thumb for anything other than spacebar, and I've been playing hotkey-based games for over 20 years. I'm definitely going to try using my thumb for those further hotkeys on lower rows. That could be so useful for more than games. I use tons of hotkeys for my 3D/digital art workflows and it would be great there, too.
Hey! Long time fan. Here's a comment, but I might be wrong about it. You're so humble in this video! I know Serral is big and it is an honor. But that was such a polite Winter. I still like Polite Winter, but I would've enjoyed that video a bit more with Normal Winter. Again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe with a guest you just can't do that out of respect for him. Still liked and enjoyed, still made my day a little bit better.
I love how innocent Serral is to judge lower players. He's always have been in the top so he probably doesn't even imagine the struggles us mere mortals have in lower ranks. I feel like he assumes everyone has at least a good sense of the game
This is the first time I could watch a replay from Serrals perspective and understand what he is actually doing. He's still impossibly fast for me. I don't understand how he can dodge widowmines or manage some of the fights so accurately. I also greatly admire how well he handles the mental picture of the battlefield, there's very little hesitation or delay in any of the decisionmaking. Part of it is routine, sure, but there's still a lot of moving parts and human short-term memory is just 7-9 units long.
39:30 I have my Tab key set as a control group (8,9, and 0 are Q, Tab, and ~ respectively), and just use the 2 side buttons on my mouse for select all army and to cycle through subgroups. I main Protoss, so I can even swap 5 from my Gateway control group after warp gate is done, just use the W key to select all warp gates, and have another extra hotkey for a control group. It's a pretty sweet layout when you have a late game army and need a bunch of control groups.
Now that i watched it to the end, i understand why my APM is in the high 50’s! I only do actions that really really really help and dont worry about ones that help only a little bit 😅
I know that asking for two hours of Serral's time is already a lot. However, I do think GM alone could have deserved its own category as well. There is, after all, a huge gulf between "just GM" and actually pro-level.
Angry Coach is my favorite WinterStarcraft video series ever, hands down. Nothing is as entertaining. But... it's better with just you. Serral distracts from the Angry Coach elements and it's just normal coaching...
you can try doing a gasless build, don't take gas until you have 3 bases fully mining with minerals, then take another 2 bases and 5 gasses all at once and mass hydralisk off of 70-80 workers, you can max on hydras with 1-1 around 8 mins then just go win the game, if your army dies you can remake it super fast and win with the second wave. the gasless start gets you way ahead vs protoss if they just turtle and slow lings and queens will hold any non committed harass like a few adepts anyway
Thanks to the GOAT for being a great sport for such a long video and making it a lot of fun! I learned so much even after 14 years of playing it's ridiculous.
Also, thanks to YOU for 200,000 subscribers. A bit late, but this is the 200K sub special - thanks for all the support, hope it makes your day a little bit better - GLHF
Can you get Serral, Harstem, Lowko and Winterstarcraft 4v4 game? This would be so funny guys!!!
Thanks for special, this truly is a treat. I love Serral. Maybe you could do this more often. Reynor and Clem speak english too.
If you guys like this, like and subscribe, that is how we are gonna get more of these.
Maybe not, but do it anyway.
200,000 winter!!!!! that's sooo huge!!!!! so happy for you.
Serral is such a great sport to take some time off from mini golf to be a coach
Zerg limbs do be looking like golf clubs
I feel like serral is so good, he cannot explain what he does, it is just instinct. Like asking someone directions and they forget all the street names but still know how to get everywhere with back alleys and side streets under 10 mins.
Yea, i think everyone knows that feeling if they did something for long enough. The easiest example - your native language. You probably dont rember half the basic rules
It's a bit like explaining to someone how to walk, without demonstrating it.
So do you always start with your right foot?
Well it depends..
No it is just that he is from the Nordics. Nordic people are very bad at explaining to non Nordic people, since what he does is basically explaining to you in a Nordic way. The cultural barrier is extremely high between the Nordics and the rest of the planet, for non Nordics it seems like they are bad at explaining but in fact it is just another world. Even after years living here it still amazes me every day, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with his skill level, it is a cultural thing and he actually explains quite a lot just not for non Nordic people. He in fact just does the standard and there are no tricks. That's it.
That's a great way to put it
Tarkus here, I was completely thrown off by the cannon rush since you don't get rushed by the AI that early. Though my thought was that after watching Winter a lot, many cannon rushers tend to mis macro a lot since they have to manage 2 separate things (the rush and their base) so I just tried to calm down while thinking "the more he invests, the more eco advantage I get".
Also the CC first was because in an old video, Winter said it was somewhat safer than 1 racks into CC since you build the CC immediately before the opponent gets units.
Outside of that, I forgot to get 3/3 gas on my bases which hurt my production a lot since I wanted to get more Ghosts and upgrades but I had no gas.
After the wipe, I didn't resign because I had a lot of ressources and I've seen many players give up too early after losing fights so I just went back to macro.
In the end I was suprised that I won at all especially since my opponent actually gave up with 1.6K minerals and 800 gas.
For most of my decisions, it was based on what I've learned from watching Winter:
-Build SCVs till you hit 75 and build em constantly
-Don't stare at fights and manage the production while the fight is happening
-Upgrades , Production , Economy, Units, Attack
-Try to get to 200/200 before attacking (I attacked in the end bc my opponent lost the fight but I would've waited for 200/200 otherwise).
-Build more production buildings (racks, factories, starport)
-Don't use Select all army
-Send scouts to expos to check for hidden bases which worked since I found the bottom left base
-Build units while fighting so you get reinforcements
-Spend your ressources (didn't have enough gas to but if I did I wouldn't have hit 3K minerals lel)
Hey, it seems to me like you've absorbed a lot of information from watching all these videos, and made a lot of good choices. Probably overcommitted on the bunkers, 1 would probably have been enough. And going into tanks would probably have gotten you out faster, and in the meantime you just use those extra minerals you sunk into bunkers to build enough marines to keep anything he might send up the ramp away from you.
Other than that, it was a pretty good job. I personally think you would have easily beaten the gold Zerg player from the second game in this video, I genuinely think your Protoss opponent played better than they did, so take that for whatever you think its worth lol
You did great. Welcome to the ladder
youll be gold league before you know it
Low amp enjoyer 😎
YOU WERE A CHAMP! 📈
Man, that was an interview of the year, for sure.
You convinced Serral, now we need MaxPax. The voices of the downtrodden must be heard!
Serral is so good he brought the intro back
The Serral POV game is insane! Can’t believe how good this guy is and how fast he can inject
serrals smile is addictive
The ultimate player and the best commentator! What a duo!
i like how the earnings are posted at the beginning of the video. nice touches there jimmy.
3:46 Using the Winter annoucer in his first ladder match. Love it.
respect for pulling serral. His story as the first non-korean to dominate sc scene is so interesting
If cannon rush doesn’t work, cannon rush from further away x’D awesome vid. Learned a lot as a new player tysm winter!
Terran about lose entire army
Serral: That’s sad :D
Intro: "Probably has a plan, I feel like even lower players have a plan"
That is correct. However, rarely has been Mike Tysons famous: "Everybody has a plan until he gets punched in the face" more true.
In lower leagues, as long as nothing happened the plan works (more or less well), but as soon as stuff happens it falls apart.
And no, I don't say that to spite the lower ranks, I only play a handful of matches myself and I am only Gold 1 / Plat 3, so I know what I am talking about because I see it happen in every single game I play^^
Thank you Winter, thank you Serral for this highly entertaining video :)
I love how Serral got more and more comfortable with this kind of things, with streaming, speaking English... - there is a huge difference if you watch/listen to him today copared to a few years ago.
As a non-native English speaker myself I completly relate :)
27:30 the discussion about "gg":
Personally, I always replay "gg" if the opponents types it and most of the time I have enough time because people do not leave instantanously.
Same with me if I loose. I type gg, wait a few seconds to give the opponent time to respond and then I leave.
I feel like replaying with gg is much nicer than not to do it.
And from the (extremly little) games I play I'd say that the majority does "gg" and replies with "gg".
In addition, the plans tend to very vague and superficial at lower levels. They don't know how to adapt to scouting, they usually do poor builds or just the same one in every game. Lower levels are riddled with unforced errors, and most people overestimate how much they know about the game so they don't realise how much they're ignoring or not noticing in game. Tastosis come to mind.
SC2 is a brutal game.
As somebody who mostly plays campaign, I'm still sort of amazed by the first game - you hit the nail on the head that your Terran viewer was "booksmart", that's exactly how it felt the entire time. I have played some ladder, but it's SO different from playing campaign because there's usually no real pressure on you in the campaign... So you never had to deal with the enemy's probe harass or cannon rushes or all-ins, you could usually just macro up in peace. Then when you go ladder, you might know everything you need to know, but it gets REAL hard to switch your focus between micro and macro efficiently enough. You CAN get good by playing the campaign, but playing ladder requires PRACTICE 😅
Thanks for this video Winter and Serral!! At age 63, I know I am too old to be competitive in Starcraft, but I really enjoy watching the videos and listening to the commentary. I still play Starcraft, but mostly against the AI.
The goat and winter make a crazy good crossover episode! Hope to see something like this with other pros as well...
Wicked cool that serral came and did this im starting to wonder if i underestimated winter in the overall scope of sc2. I mean im newer to watching and i dont play but i thought he was just like the other 1000 people who cast games. Never expected him to get the best player in the world to have a sit in
Winter is one of the biggest SC2 content creators right now lol
Video idea: you and Serral take a bronze player each and try coach them for a month to verse each other. "Coach off"
10/10 would watch.
serral is currently in the military though he's still gonna try to play in what tournaments he can. i don't think he has enough time to dedicate to actually coach someone.
Very beautiful and interesting collaboration with the GOAT of SC2. Thank you winter for this great content more power to you and Serral
The episodes with Serral are amazing, he is so funny! Great content, thanks for making this happen Winter.
I loved the apm convo. Also with the flex picture from IEM I hope serral goes on trt for giggles in the military and comes back swole.
6 mins in and this is such a good series idea. Smashing like button now winter. or Vinter as Serral would say. Thanks for coming on the show Serral you are a funny dude.
Was really looking forward to this! Love seeing you make videos with the pros
Its so nice to see serral and winter together
i watched the first minute 20 seconds and i already love the editing! Well done to the editor!
Fun cast
Terran in the first game did not play like a first time multiplayer lol.
That is crazy winter!! Thank you so much, you posed also the right questions to the best of the best. Well done indeed
This video is amazing. Thanks Winter and Serral.
Serral saying "n is close to your thumb" blew my mind. I've never thought to use my thumb for anything other than spacebar, and I've been playing hotkey-based games for over 20 years. I'm definitely going to try using my thumb for those further hotkeys on lower rows. That could be so useful for more than games. I use tons of hotkeys for my 3D/digital art workflows and it would be great there, too.
what an awesome and wholesome video, was a tonz of fun to watch thanks !
Always love some Serral vids
Hey! Long time fan. Here's a comment, but I might be wrong about it. You're so humble in this video! I know Serral is big and it is an honor. But that was such a polite Winter. I still like Polite Winter, but I would've enjoyed that video a bit more with Normal Winter. Again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe with a guest you just can't do that out of respect for him.
Still liked and enjoyed, still made my day a little bit better.
yea u can see winter being dwarfed by serral here. Didnt even point out the missing ORBITAL :
@2:38 Serral is also the best terran player in Finland
I love how innocent Serral is to judge lower players. He's always have been in the top so he probably doesn't even imagine the struggles us mere mortals have in lower ranks. I feel like he assumes everyone has at least a good sense of the game
I think the first one has the largest potential of improvement.
This is the first time I could watch a replay from Serrals perspective and understand what he is actually doing. He's still impossibly fast for me. I don't understand how he can dodge widowmines or manage some of the fights so accurately. I also greatly admire how well he handles the mental picture of the battlefield, there's very little hesitation or delay in any of the decisionmaking. Part of it is routine, sure, but there's still a lot of moving parts and human short-term memory is just 7-9 units long.
Serral is The GOAT!
39:30
I have my Tab key set as a control group (8,9, and 0 are Q, Tab, and ~ respectively), and just use the 2 side buttons on my mouse for select all army and to cycle through subgroups. I main Protoss, so I can even swap 5 from my Gateway control group after warp gate is done, just use the W key to select all warp gates, and have another extra hotkey for a control group. It's a pretty sweet layout when you have a late game army and need a bunch of control groups.
seeing serrals name I have to click. You know my weakness winter
I wish I had more than one like to give this video. Serral is such a gem to the SC2 community.
Such a cool stream and unique thing to see this. kinda making me interested in starcraft again
Serral screwed up, now the other starcraft players know that the thumb can be used for more than spacebar...
Been wondering where are these kind of videos for long time.
This is amazing. Two hours of coaching by the GoaT!
Should not have started watching the vid i can't finish. Now I leave in the middle, and give bad stats to youtube algorithm. DAMN YOU WORK!
Amazing video! You know you're doin it right when the fricken GOAT gives some insight for 2 hours! Thank you for what you do man
I did NOT expect this. tysm
Serral: THANKS FOR HAVING ME
hahahah XD ikr.
alternative title: " Glazing Serral, with Winterstarcraft!"
very... freakin... cool... tytyty winter and serral!!!
This is awesome!! You guys are a great duo. You can tell Serral's brain is doing 500 APM just naturally, what a god.
Thanks for this. It was great.
Serral: "i know not of you measly peasant metal league lives"
Everyone else: yeah that's fair
Woah is that a new intro sequence? Nice!
bring also CLEM :) I would like to see what he has to say
amazing stuff
tarkus looks like a diligent PiG fan)
The goats!
18:00 how you both miss that he literally scouted every single possible mineral spots?
Im super impressed by the first dude
Winter mentioned that he had marines there
@@liquidreality472 yea after 1 minute xD they say he doesnt even check the minimap thats why I wrote it, they dont check it either
1:54:10 Can't stop laughing. Its just funny Winter went there.
Good series !!! ❤
Serral is such a nice guy, man
SUCH a good stream
I feel serral for obliging his opponent if they wait for the gg. Sometimes as the conceding player, it does feel nice to receive a gg in return.
winter is just wonderful
imagine playing your first placement match just to instantly face cannon toss
Love this
Winter, you are very cool for the video. Sorry for bad English. Danke!
I love these kinda videos
Fuu some coaching lesson from the legend himself!
Serral was suffering in silence seeing his zerg family being murdered by carriers 😂😂😂
Why do I get the feeling Serral is watching the replays on one screen and casualy playing games on another xD
that was fun ;)
Winter being hyper-aware to not talk over the GOAT.
I love this kid so much! go Serral !!!!!! forever the goat
I love your sence of humor Winter
1:48:35 those lurkers decimating the scvs was brutal.
Seeeeeeeeeeerral 🐐
I wonder what Serral's actual B2GM would look like. Serral smurfing in Bronze is kinda hillarious.
i mean, he kinda smurfs everywhere he goes, so, more of the same but faster wins?
Now that i watched it to the end, i understand why my APM is in the high 50’s!
I only do actions that really really really help and dont worry about ones that help only a little bit 😅
This shouldve been a live stream
goat
Haha great edit
I know that asking for two hours of Serral's time is already a lot. However, I do think GM alone could have deserved its own category as well. There is, after all, a huge gulf between "just GM" and actually pro-level.
Angry Coach is my favorite WinterStarcraft video series ever, hands down. Nothing is as entertaining. But... it's better with just you. Serral distracts from the Angry Coach elements and it's just normal coaching...
Game sound too loud I found, thanks for the neat video!
Aren't the first ever placement matches still played on those special maps where you have rocks that block off your main so you cannot be rushed?
Damn, I have something in common with serral :D (The gg thing)
How did i miss it? Better later than ever.
This is great can we have hero do this with you for the next one 😮
Serrrraaaalllllll!!!!
Whaaaat how you treat us, winter
20:58 : when f2 kicks in
Serral!!!
Just that. Serral!
nice
Why is Serrals Channel not linked, or does he not have one?
As zerg how do you deal with protoss who just turltes build a lot of shield battery and cannons? It's the only thing protoss does in ladder now.
Super aggressive or super greedy. Either all-in early with roach ravager or get the whole map and fight skytoss
you can try doing a gasless build, don't take gas until you have 3 bases fully mining with minerals, then take another 2 bases and 5 gasses all at once and mass hydralisk off of 70-80 workers, you can max on hydras with 1-1 around 8 mins then just go win the game, if your army dies you can remake it super fast and win with the second wave. the gasless start gets you way ahead vs protoss if they just turtle and slow lings and queens will hold any non committed harass like a few adepts anyway
Wait, the first player is in Bronze league??