Well said I’m from Australia so I do bass fishing. But I really think all animals are in a no win battle with all the technology out there now. I love hunting and fishing. But it’s getting unfair. 👍🏼 keep up the good work
Integrity and ethics are the base of all fish, hunting and trapping . The erosion of these foundations are evident to those that hold them to heart. These foundations need to be instilled in the youth entering the sport above all else.
At the end of the day it all comes down to people really don't love fishing for the purpose it is truly intended. People just want to catch the tournament winning bag, and really don't appreciate the joy of just throwing a line, cruising the lake, and taking in all the beauty nature has to hold. Sorry for their loss! 💯🤔
@@sqsumo1 Absolutely, and that is all good. I'm simply saying that it's all about focusing on winning and that's just a shame. Even if there is no prize all individuals instantly get glued to the screens and ignore the art of just fishing. To each their own!
So, if you watched the original video. They would replace the 50 bassboats doing what they love with 50 wakeboats just because of a phantom safety concern. USACE has no hand in the fishery or conservation. Their actions oversaturated the lake with boats and now ramp issues are the fault of bass fishermen who don't cause them.
@@sqsumo1 lol 80k boat, thousands in rods and equipment, thousands in gas to win how much? Let’s be real for a minute, very few tournament anglers are in it for the money. On the other hand, almost every you tuber is. Check out how many views these divisive posts get compared to the actual fishing tips get.
This is how this needs to happen. Randy, your first conversations need to be with the IFGA and any other organization that certifies world, national and state record fish. Perhaps they can take the same approach and not honor fish or allow catches to count as established record if used with live sonar (?) This would be closer aligned with the B&C comparison. NOW…..it doesn’t have to stop there, if they are to take that stance then the trickle down effect is a lot more ammunition against the tournament leagues and organizations Just a thought
Randy, this was spot on. This should change ALL TYPES of fishing tournaments. Push-back from the electronic companies will be an issue, as you well know. Also enforcing the restrictions on some types of tournaments could also be an issue.
What are you talking about? They are simply replacing 50 bass boats with 50 wake boats on an average summer weekend. The USACE has no concern about the fishery. You should watch the original video.
Yes please more government regulations from bureaucrats. That’s exactly what this country needs. Maybe we can find some bored HOA Karen’s to enforce them.
Best fishing is when electronics are off. My pb all came from stupid popular spots that no one catches fish at. Drop shot have got best fish. 12.97 is biggest so far but I saw some bigger during spawn. Early on beds and would t bite. Grrr. 8lb I caught was half the size of female! Half it’s size, no joke! Next year we’ll get ‘em.
Interesting interpretation. If FFS is live imaging, do you classify 2D sonar as something other than live imaging? It is still a real-time view of what’s happening beneath your boat. I have FFS (original Panoptix) and I love seeing structure changes. That earlier tech wasn’t great for identifying fish. That being said, I use downscan, sidescan and 2D sonar idling around the lake as my go to method of finding potential fishing holes. Whether that’s cheating or not isn’t the point, just curious where the line gets drawn on live imaging? It would seem all sonar would fit the description. We would be back to dragging sinkers .😅
Randy, Boon and crocket is a club. It doesn’t make it illegal you just can’t record a “trophy”take in their books. You can legally still take animals in those methods. In your theory then it would only apply to trophy fish. I don’t even use live scope and I don’t hunt trophy game but just my input.
Exactly. Thanks for stating the obvious. I see where’s he’s trying to go here but Randy’s reaching too far on this one. Sorry but you missed the mark here Randy.
Randy , you should start a pro tournament trail that outlaws all electronics except for mapping and depth finders for safety purposes and set the example for all to see.
Could not agree more Randy!! The only time I used electronics was way back in the early 80’s and that was to see structure and drains and bottom make up, along those same lines, I’m an avid turkey hunter who hunts fair chase, always have always will. I don’t see any sporting chance in using a drone for example, to locate roosting birds. Absolute insanity in my opinion. Appreciate the good fight Randy!
I get what youre saying, but not every spawning season is in April and May. Matter of fact most spawning seasons in the South are anywhere from mid February to Early April.
We are banning together at bassmaster classic, come join us chain our selfs to the boat ramp to stand up for grand lake and the few bass that live there.. these tournaments have to stop..
@@btr9010 The spawning season would have to be determined by each state department of conservation. Here in MO, April/ May would be the time for 90% on the bass to spawn.
I’m not defending FFS but would have to ask a question. In the memo you read it states several things (night vision, heat seeking devices, rage finder scopes, etc) is an unfair advantage to the game and devices that provide life imagines will not be recognized. So put that into bass fishing terms, FFS should not be allowed (and I understand that), but the question is should down scan, side scan, conventional 2d sonar and all the advances in GPS mapping be allowed?
I agree with this comment. Also I am not defending FFS by any means but if you go to a lake with FFS that still doesnt mean you are just gonna catch fish. You still have to be a fisherman at the end of the day. You need to evaluate weather, water temp, time of year to still catch fish. Just because you see fish on FFS doesnt mean you are gonna catch them if you dont know what to use for that particular time.
TRUE FACT, live scope takes the skill out of the hunt for any angler looking for his PB. you should know by your skill what works. when and where. I personally use only a brushless trolling motor and side and down scan. I just want to know how deep the water is! I figure out the rest on my own
I think your arguments are very valid here. I do wonder though, what is the difference between using electronics to get on fish vs using another fisherman to get on fish? Guides basically do the same thing as our electronics, even to the point of what and how to cast/retrieve in a given situation. Ex: find the fish easier cause the guides knows that body of water, choose the lure/color/retrieve cause the guide knows what has been working on that body of water. FFS just takes the guide out of the equation. Honestly I'd like to see both go away, as well as tournaments. I honestly think tourneys and guides do as much or more harm than FFS does. Take tourneys and guides out of the equation and you'd see improvements to fisheries too.
A lot of equipment they use makes it not fair chase. Take away all the electronics and put em all in a kayak or john boat and you will see who the best fishermen really is.
@@Steve-ev6vx 😂😂😂 the 20k kayaks that’s not cheating??? Come on man.. if you had the old floating donut with the flippers now that’s a real fisherman, that takes skill..
@@dustinwright4601 I said tubes and yaks with no electronics. Get over yourself. A yak without sonar isn't 20 K, I literally got all my yaks for free from people who bought them and used them once. My highest end one with a motor was 3 grand new, and again I got it for free.
Powerful stuff Randy, I don't know how anybody that doesn't have their hand in the Electronic cookie jar can't grasp these very simple concepts. Mind boggling.
LOTS of fishermen give you flak over FFS. But you are right. Continue to be the TRUE sportsman & supporter of true supporter of truue fishermen everywhere.
That logic is a great arrow in the quiver to push back against spotlight technology. They will still use the "but we are catch and release" to defend their position.
Turned on the TV this morning, first program that came up, Hank Parker. Using Humminbird Mega Live to find fish to catch. Second program some clown I do not know, fishing Canyon Lake, using Livescope to find and catch fish. Literally two old farts video game fishing. Next tech evolution, electronic dynamite.
I'm not a big time hunter but i do hunt. Fishing is my passion, but when the freezer is empty and deer season starts it is time to shoot a deer. I have never used a trail cam but I'm sure this guy that's talking did. Don't let this guy full you. I have looked at pics from a trail cam but never from the spot that i'm hunting from. I'm sure Randy has. When I'm hunting, I'm hunting for meat. So a 6 point would satisfied me just as much as a 15 point would. These big deer that are shot shot on ranches. That is private property, fenced in property, where they feed these dear to get massive. Don't take count in record books. I think they do but I could be wrong. In the woods, I have eyes and binoculars so I can see. At the Lake I cannot see in the depths. That's why I have forward facing sonar. Isn't that the same? When you see deer in the woods that are bedded down and they're not moving. Doesn't one your members of your hunting party put on a drive to get The Dear to move towards the hunting party so it can be shot. That's what forward facing sonar does. It allows you to see the fish so that you can move up on them and TRY to catch them. Remember we can't see in the water. Like we can see in the woods. Put a blind man in the woods and tell him to shoot a deer. That's like fishing without forward facing sonar. It doesn't make sense.
I have not owned a boat in years but still keep up with fishing. I have never seen FFS. The last graph I had was a Lowrance x-17. I could pull up to a hump locate the fish in a brush pile and watch them eat my drop shot. What is the difference in using FFS and what I was doing with an old lowrance
A sportsman never takes an unfair advantage. So where is the line.... on some things it's hard to say but in regards to live scope and forward facing sonar, they are easily and obviously beyond that line.
The taking spawning bass off bed to to take back to tournament to weighed must stop ! There have been collage studies done University of Illinois did study the removing of bass off beds during spawn is really bad for the fish population ! The eggs or fry get eaten . You can Goggle the study !
I fish and hunt to fill my freezer!!! I can care less about your trophy fish and bucks. Hunting and fishing was always supposed to be about providing food for the family. I have kelp the real tradition of what it was all about. No matter if I use trail cameras or live scope, it's all about putting food on the table. If you that worried about it, go back to ball and cap open sight muzzle loaders cause magnified optics is not fair either. I have caught a ton of fish in my day without a live scope, but I don't ever wanna go fishing without it after having it.
I think they have video fishing games for those who want to play videos. Do it from your air conditioned house, don't do it on the lake!! Good message.
Really??? This has absolutely nothing to do with fishing They are talking about cameras that stream live 24/7 and the hunter doesn't have to head to the woods until the deer, turkey, ECT... Have shown themselves two totally separate scenarios c'mon man livescope isn't bad and it doesn't make fish jump in the boat but all that doesn't matter because you're going to ride this topic until the end of time LMAO
Well said that does explain as best I’ve heard, keep up the drive, I’m done watching the grueling bass tournaments where it’s mostly ffs fishing, it couldn’t be more boring
I don’t know what it will take for the tournament organizations to have a paradigm shift away from technology but maybe this will get them to really think about it.
I agree 100% I was the first woman to fish Crappie Busters in Topeka, KS, a good 20 yrs ago (no livescope back then). My husband and I fished hard at these tournaments, and we had a blast doing so. Rain, cold, sleet, snow, hotter and windier than heck days and we found the fish ourselves. We didn't need a video game to do our fishing for us, and at ages 64/65 we still don't, and we wouldn't have it any other way. And we are like many others - we are proud of what we can do without livescope! Technology is ruining so many things, including fishing. You said it well, it's taking the magic out of fishing. I question the skills, patience, integrity and ethics of livescope users who know nothing more than to push the ON button and look at a screen just to get instant gratification for catching the "biggest" fish, without using their own brain/skills. In my personal opinion, they are being lazy. They don't want to do the hard work, they want to reap the monitary rewards and say hey look at me. The amount of fish caught with livescope is significantly increased and there will be issues with the reduction of fish populations in the future, most definitely in smaller lakes. I also worked at the Kansas Wildlife and Parks and I was able to see/hear the mind set of some of the decision makers. I chimed in on occasion but unfortunately had retired before most of the livescope hoola took place. It's a good thing I no longer work there as they'd probably fire me for speaking my mind on livescope! LOL Fish on......
I don’t own a forward facing sonar unit but I don’t believe that just because you know the direction of the fish you will automatically get hooked up. It’s no different than sight fishing with polarized glasses, also almost every bass tournament I know of requires live weigh in and live release, therefore there is no detrimental effect of targeting the fish with a live sonar. The fish will still only take the bait it wants and on the way it wants it presented. The amount of pressure on these lakes is increasing with recreational boating making raw angling much more difficult and obtaining a creel in the allotted time Drawing in bigger fish to entice and entertain new prospective fishermen is how we grow the field. It’s not like Homer Simpson using crack for bait to draw them in, if anything, the live directional sonar repulses bass lateral lines making them harder to catch. Just my thoughts from a guy using a single head unit, doing it the traditional way.
Is a Flasher not a "Live" image". I mean I can see my lure on my flasher when I am jigging it under the boat. I can see it moving on the flasher as I move it.
I will always be true to myself. Every tournament I won last year was pure experience and instincts. It feels so rewarding to beat these all ffs "pros"
I could see someone sayin that killing and catching and releasing are two different things, although I agree with ya 💯 percent.them young bucks should wanna prove to themselves they can beat the other pro anglers with no electronics
If Forward Facing Sonar is too expensive for some high school anglers to afford then eliminate spot lock trolling motors and shallow water anchor systems too. You can’t bring price into this and pick and choose which is acceptable and which isn’t when they’re all expensive. I can promise they have one of these items on their bass boat.
Hold up, let's actually talk about this I've been watching everyone go back and fourth about this. I've been in the woods and on the lake my entire life. I've caught bass crappie and bream in john boats with no electronics and I've caught bass crappie and bream in bass boats with the old hummingbirds, I've caught all of them with 2d I've caught all of them in my boat with SI and DI, I've never used SI or DI to catch a fish I always stay on 2d with my Garmin, what I can tell is this the fishing has changed on a lot of these smaller lakes, and me and some of my buddies have beat foward facing sonar with what we have. Now I'm getting foward facing sonar because I see it as a tool not to waste time and throwing at fish that won't bite. I've been in boats with people who use it and none of them have used it as a game changer but as a tool. Now let's go to the Boone and Crockett I'm all about the sport of hunting I've owned some cameras but never used them where I hunt, but how many deer are scored every year that were killed in a pen, while using these high tech cameras and range finders. The thing is fishing has changed. Hunting has changed, technology has advanced and do you have people who abuse and use it yes but do you have people who are using this as a tool to put food on the table instead of a dollar in their pocket yes. Let's compare apples to apples not apples to oranges
When they start trying to catch deer on a hook, we'll take a look at it. Fish do not have to bite any lure, and snagging fish is prohibited in tournaments already 🤷
Man last time I checked I yank back and set the hook when I feel something on the other end, is that snagging? I wasn't even talking about tournament fishing I'm talking fishing in general.
Great job! Wow! That does say it all perfectly! You wrote the rule for them! Thanks to the sub who found this and sent it to you. So do they have a similar rule governing record fish? Someone should find this out!
Randy I hope you keep fighting this! I agree with you 100%! Each states Game And Parks need to see the impact this is having on fisheries and make regulations preventing all fisherman from this unfair advantage. If it’s a state regulation then tournaments have to abide by the laws.
What does B&C have to do with fishing tournaments? We aren't talking about bass records, we are talking about tournaments. B&C doesnt run hunting tournaments. Its not the same thing. And I can still hunt with whatever I want within the law, who gives a fck what some record book keepers think? I think all sonar should be banned and wouldnt mind if they banned the tournaments either. This crap isnt what hunting and fishing is suppose to be about.
He's stating that if you use it to seek and find a record bass it will not be accepted so therefore it shouldn't be accepted in tournaments. And I also agree with toney stuff too but that would be tough to do and wouldn't want to have all the anglers unemployed either but the fish are paying the price either way. And my children and grandchildren cause the resources will be majorly impacted.
Yep. I live in Southern California ( small, highly pressured lakes ), and one of my favorite lakes has become overrun by weekend tournaments and people using FFS! 10-15 years ago, on an average day on the lake I would catch anywhere from 10-20+ bass. A few maybe 4-5lbs. Over the past few years, I’m lucky to catch 1-2 bass, typically around 2lbs. Either somehow I all of a sudden suck at fishing ( been fishing salt and fresh water for over 40 years ), or, FFS and tournaments every weekend have ruined a once incredible bass lake!
@@stevencaldwell838Yeah my main issie with Randy is he seems to only care about getting ffs out of tournamnets, but we need outright bans in order to save fisheries. I have said it before, but we should sart pushing to ban them on idividual lakes like they do with gas powered outboards on some lakes.
@@joshwhite9211But you COULD use it to catch and then register a record bass. He is referring to not being able to register a buck deer in BC is you ise a trail camera or a drone, and he is equating that to sonar. If that analogy holds then 2D sonar would be cheating too, but he uses 2D. That still takes an image. I just think its splitting to many hairs. If the fisheries need, ban sonar. The tournaments can be managed better too. They can put a scale and a judge on each boat so the fish can be released immediately, or just use length like the kayak tournaments.
Imagine what a 1940s angler might have said about you now. That you were using all kinds of unfair tech! Carbon fiber rods & finely machined reels! GPS + precise electronic depth mapping! 2D 'live' sonar on an electronic screen! Side imaging 300+ ft wide swaths! Foot controlled 112 pound 36v electric trolling motor! 250hp 4 cycle motors! Braided line! Fluorocarbon line! Chemically sharpened teflon coated high grade steel hooks! Weight transfer crankbaits! Why not have tournaments ban ALL electronics? Maybe require all rods made from natural materials & lines from natural fibers? Heck ban all motors & seek fish the way of native Americans in paddled canoes? Your whole pro fishing career was tied into, dependent on, and helping drive the commercialization of bass fishing. All your channels are commercialization. That's what has driven the never ending development of more & more expensive gear. If you want to see who brought this all about check your mirror.
I have no opinion one way or the other about FFR. However, I would ask one question: How far back do we take this? Are depth finders OK? How about polarized sunglasses? How about a flogger? How about mono line (use only cotton braid like in the 40's)? You get the idea.
Dear sir, I completely agree with your opinion on livescope. I just don't think the tournament trails will ever ban them. I don't use live scope or fwd sonar but I do use basic downward sonar. If we say no live scope where do we draw the line? Side scan? All electronics? In the 70s was there the same opinions about the first guys using sonar? By the way I watch and enjoy your channel.
Randy maybe the states should add that to the regulations.... if the state says ya cant use them then BASS has to follow all state rules...that may be easier than force the money grabbing tournaments to chnage
I run mega live and it’s just another tool. GPS, sonar, mapping and side imaging was more of a game changer than forward facing sonar. So how far do we back up. Topo maps, floats, landmarks and cane poles that we used to find elevation changes. We are constantly advancing. That’s our nature. Forward facing sonar has not made me an elite champion. So it still comes down to the angle in the box. I can see restraining the number of transducers. Maybe we do like NASCAR and have tournaments that are limited like running restrictor plates to make all the cars equal. Everything in our lives have advanced. Boats , outboards, trolling motors and our tackle. My first boat was plywood with 7.5 Sears pathfinder outboard. So again my question is how fare do we want to back up!
Tournament organizers could use a handicap scoring system and keep letting FFS continue. Something like: If you use Livescope, 10lbs will be reducted from your total weight.
I fish out of a 201 pro stratos. My trolling motor is cable steered only with Livescope Lvs 32 attached to the shaft. No spot lock and no shallow water anchors. I can promise you people like Dustin Connell and Jacob Wheeler and new generation dominating anglers would not be catching the same bags they currently are these days in my rig. It’s all about boat control. Always has been and always will. A fair trade off to level the playing field would be all FFS units are on cable steered trolling motors and no shallow water anchors. Non FFS units can. Just my opinion. I feel like the older generation is just mad because they can’t compete anymore because shallow water fishing is not as hot as it used to be. Tell me I’m wrong.
Very well put..!! Elite s And the rest of all these big bas tournaments just stop using this method, use to watch the elites live and all they do is have there nose pinned to the electrics so so boring. I really feel sorry for a Co angler. Great job Randy for bringing that across..
I really wish all the big tournament series would go back to work traditional fishing for one season to see how it goes it would definitely be more exciting and a lot of the old school guys would be kicking butt more than these young computer fishing guys
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Well said I’m from Australia so I do bass fishing. But I really think all animals are in a no win battle with all the technology out there now. I love hunting and fishing. But it’s getting unfair. 👍🏼 keep up the good work
Integrity and ethics are the base of all fish, hunting and trapping . The erosion of these foundations are evident to those that hold them to heart. These foundations need to be instilled in the youth entering the sport above all else.
Words of gold, it's madness if these are not the standards of every fisherman, hunter, and organization!!🤔 Simple and fair!👌
At the end of the day it all comes down to people really don't love fishing for the purpose it is truly intended. People just want to catch the tournament winning bag, and really don't appreciate the joy of just throwing a line, cruising the lake, and taking in all the beauty nature has to hold. Sorry for their loss! 💯🤔
They are there to win money.
@@sqsumo1 Absolutely, and that is all good. I'm simply saying that it's all about focusing on winning and that's just a shame. Even if there is no prize all individuals instantly get glued to the screens and ignore the art of just fishing. To each their own!
So, if you watched the original video. They would replace the 50 bassboats doing what they love with 50 wakeboats just because of a phantom safety concern. USACE has no hand in the fishery or conservation. Their actions oversaturated the lake with boats and now ramp issues are the fault of bass fishermen who don't cause them.
@@sqsumo1 lol 80k boat, thousands in rods and equipment, thousands in gas to win how much? Let’s be real for a minute, very few tournament anglers are in it for the money. On the other hand, almost every you tuber is. Check out how many views these divisive posts get compared to the actual fishing tips get.
This is how this needs to happen. Randy, your first conversations need to be with the IFGA and any other organization that certifies world, national and state record fish. Perhaps they can take the same approach and not honor fish or allow catches to count as established record if used with live sonar (?)
This would be closer aligned with the B&C comparison.
NOW…..it doesn’t have to stop there, if they are to take that stance then the trickle down effect is a lot more ammunition against the tournament leagues and organizations
Just a thought
Randy, this was spot on. This should change ALL TYPES of fishing tournaments. Push-back from the electronic companies will be an issue, as you well know. Also enforcing the restrictions on some types of tournaments could also be an issue.
What are you talking about? They are simply replacing 50 bass boats with 50 wake boats on an average summer weekend. The USACE has no concern about the fishery. You should watch the original video.
This was like 500 miles from "spot on" lol
Yes please more government regulations from bureaucrats. That’s exactly what this country needs. Maybe we can find some bored HOA Karen’s to enforce them.
I chase my pb bass with ZERO electronics of any kind. My current pb is 10lbs 3oz. I want my fish of a lifetime to be all skill, not electronics.
That was an awesome fish i hope you can top it good luck.
Respect
Same here
next time you are in the woods hunting put Blindfolds on and let me know how that work for you
Best fishing is when electronics are off. My pb all came from stupid popular spots that no one catches fish at. Drop shot have got best fish. 12.97 is biggest so far but I saw some bigger during spawn. Early on beds and would t bite. Grrr. 8lb I caught was half the size of female! Half it’s size, no joke! Next year we’ll get ‘em.
Live scope made me fall out of love with tournament bass fishing
Interesting interpretation. If FFS is live imaging, do you classify 2D sonar as something other than live imaging? It is still a real-time view of what’s happening beneath your boat.
I have FFS (original Panoptix) and I love seeing structure changes. That earlier tech wasn’t great for identifying fish. That being said, I use downscan, sidescan and 2D sonar idling around the lake as my go to method of finding potential fishing holes.
Whether that’s cheating or not isn’t the point, just curious where the line gets drawn on live imaging? It would seem all sonar would fit the description. We would be back to dragging sinkers .😅
Randy, Boon and crocket is a club. It doesn’t make it illegal you just can’t record a “trophy”take in their books. You can legally still take animals in those methods. In your theory then it would only apply to trophy fish. I don’t even use live scope and I don’t hunt trophy game but just my input.
Exactly. Thanks for stating the obvious. I see where’s he’s trying to go here but Randy’s reaching too far on this one. Sorry but you missed the mark here Randy.
stuff like that is what I've been waiting to hear. Way to go Randy.
Randy , you should start a pro tournament trail that outlaws all electronics except for mapping and depth finders for safety purposes and set the example for all to see.
Hell ya!!! All 7 boats that enter will have a blast
I’m in
He is trying to support the non FFS trail. 100% it will fail.
Still would be plenty of boats even if it was rowboats and 1 rod the competitive drive of hard core bass fishermen won't be denied
It doesn't matter what you use to catch fish or hunt, bottom line is we are all doing it with a full stomach.
Could not agree more Randy!! The only time I used electronics was way back in the early 80’s and that was to see structure and drains and bottom make up, along those same lines, I’m an avid turkey hunter who hunts fair chase, always have always will. I don’t see any sporting chance in using a drone for example, to locate roosting birds. Absolute insanity in my opinion. Appreciate the good fight Randy!
Plus, no tournaments in April and May. Let's give the bass populations a chance to reproduce.
I get what youre saying, but not every spawning season is in April and May. Matter of fact most spawning seasons in the South are anywhere from mid February to Early April.
Exactly 🤙🎣
Just do not let them sight fish at all...
We are banning together at bassmaster classic, come join us chain our selfs to the boat ramp to stand up for grand lake and the few bass that live there.. these tournaments have to stop..
@@btr9010 The spawning season would have to be determined by each state department of conservation. Here in MO, April/ May would be the time for 90% on the bass to spawn.
I’m not defending FFS but would have to ask a question. In the memo you read it states several things (night vision, heat seeking devices, rage finder scopes, etc) is an unfair advantage to the game and devices that provide life imagines will not be recognized. So put that into bass fishing terms, FFS should not be allowed (and I understand that), but the question is should down scan, side scan, conventional 2d sonar and all the advances in GPS mapping be allowed?
I agree with this comment. Also I am not defending FFS by any means but if you go to a lake with FFS that still doesnt mean you are just gonna catch fish. You still have to be a fisherman at the end of the day. You need to evaluate weather, water temp, time of year to still catch fish. Just because you see fish on FFS doesnt mean you are gonna catch them if you dont know what to use for that particular time.
It crazy when you need $2,800 in Tranducers! Insane
Exactly. As a recreational angler there's no way I'm paying that kind of money to catch fish.
TRUE FACT, live scope takes the skill out of the hunt for any angler looking for his PB. you should know by your skill what works. when and where. I personally use only a brushless trolling motor and side and down scan. I just want to know how deep the water is! I figure out the rest on my own
I am no electronics guy but livescope changes the skills doesnt eliminate it. We should be fair in our arguments
Then you should use nothing but a paper chart. Figure out everything else. No electronics should be no electronics at all.
Imagine spotting your personal best and dragging your lure by it and getting it to bite and landing it in your boat. What a joke!
@@ricknelson4793 like bed fishing?
That should be illegal as well.
If Ray Stott was running the Bass Organizations I don’t think that this would be happening in Bass Turns
I think your arguments are very valid here. I do wonder though, what is the difference between using electronics to get on fish vs using another fisherman to get on fish? Guides basically do the same thing as our electronics, even to the point of what and how to cast/retrieve in a given situation. Ex: find the fish easier cause the guides knows that body of water, choose the lure/color/retrieve cause the guide knows what has been working on that body of water. FFS just takes the guide out of the equation. Honestly I'd like to see both go away, as well as tournaments. I honestly think tourneys and guides do as much or more harm than FFS does. Take tourneys and guides out of the equation and you'd see improvements to fisheries too.
Please, stop clicking on his links, so he will stop complaining about live scope.
It simply is not a complaint.
So when are you starting a "traditional tournament trail" ?
You are absolutely right, I fish small lakes in Mn. & if fisherman came into these lakes with FF they would ruin the lakes
How
I agree, not fair chase
A lot of equipment they use makes it not fair chase. Take away all the electronics and put em all in a kayak or john boat and you will see who the best fishermen really is.
@@Steve-ev6vx yep the fish will win because your not catching crap 😂😂
@@dustinwright4601 that doesn't even make any sense. People win kayak and John boat tournaments all the time by "gasp" catching fish...
@@Steve-ev6vx 😂😂😂 the 20k kayaks that’s not cheating??? Come on man.. if you had the old floating donut with the flippers now that’s a real fisherman, that takes skill..
@@dustinwright4601 I said tubes and yaks with no electronics. Get over yourself. A yak without sonar isn't 20 K, I literally got all my yaks for free from people who bought them and used them once. My highest end one with a motor was 3 grand new, and again I got it for free.
Integrity in many areas of lives has become a lost art...for those who remember and always act righteously.....bravo!👏
Powerful stuff Randy, I don't know how anybody that doesn't have their hand in the Electronic cookie jar can't grasp these very simple concepts. Mind boggling.
LOTS of fishermen give you flak over FFS. But you are right. Continue to be the TRUE sportsman & supporter of true supporter of truue fishermen everywhere.
This is what "hate" looks like vs merely an opinion to support or not support FFS.
That was 100% on mark. Sooo hope they wake up and ensure integrity in the sport by advocating skill over tech.
That logic is a great arrow in the quiver to push back against spotlight technology. They will still use the "but we are catch and release" to defend their position.
You gotta do what feels right. Good luck this year big bro
Turned on the TV this morning, first program that came up, Hank Parker. Using Humminbird Mega Live to find fish to catch. Second program some clown I do not know, fishing Canyon Lake, using Livescope to find and catch fish. Literally two old farts video game fishing. Next tech evolution, electronic dynamite.
I'm not a big time hunter but i do hunt. Fishing is my passion, but when the freezer is empty and deer season starts it is time to shoot a deer. I have never used a trail cam but I'm sure this guy that's talking did. Don't let this guy full you. I have looked at pics from a trail cam but never from the spot that i'm hunting from. I'm sure Randy has. When I'm hunting, I'm hunting for meat. So a 6 point would satisfied me just as much as a 15 point would. These big deer that are shot shot on ranches. That is private property, fenced in property, where they feed these dear to get massive. Don't take count in record books. I think they do but I could be wrong. In the woods, I have eyes and binoculars so I can see. At the Lake I cannot see in the depths. That's why I have forward facing sonar. Isn't that the same? When you see deer in the woods that are bedded down and they're not moving. Doesn't one your members of your hunting party put on a drive to get The Dear to move towards the hunting party so it can be shot. That's what forward facing sonar does. It allows you to see the fish so that you can move up on them and TRY to catch them. Remember we can't see in the water. Like we can see in the woods. Put a blind man in the woods and tell him to shoot a deer. That's like fishing without forward facing sonar. It doesn't make sense.
There it is !!!!!!!!!!❤
If under water cameras are illegal which they are. How in the world did they allow forward facing sonar. Sonar much more powerful than cameras.
I have not owned a boat in years but still keep up with fishing. I have never seen FFS. The last graph I had was a Lowrance x-17. I could pull up to a hump locate the fish in a brush pile and watch them eat my drop shot. What is the difference in using FFS and what I was doing with an old lowrance
This nailed it perfectly!
Agree 💯. Unfortunately ethics are out the window today
A sportsman never takes an unfair advantage. So where is the line.... on some things it's hard to say but in regards to live scope and forward facing sonar, they are easily and obviously beyond that line.
Amen Randy
This is perfect! Imagine anglers dropping prepositioned sonar buoys and knowing exactly where fish are at launch and throughout the day. That's next.
And then it'll get to where they go to the bait shops and buy the bass by the pound
I agree with you 100% Randy.
The taking spawning bass off bed to to take back to tournament to weighed must stop ! There have been collage studies done University of Illinois did study the removing of bass off beds during spawn is really bad for the fish population ! The eggs or fry get eaten . You can Goggle the study !
I fish and hunt to fill my freezer!!! I can care less about your trophy fish and bucks. Hunting and fishing was always supposed to be about providing food for the family. I have kelp the real tradition of what it was all about. No matter if I use trail cameras or live scope, it's all about putting food on the table. If you that worried about it, go back to ball and cap open sight muzzle loaders cause magnified optics is not fair either. I have caught a ton of fish in my day without a live scope, but I don't ever wanna go fishing without it after having it.
I think they have video fishing games for those who want to play videos. Do it from your air conditioned house, don't do it on the lake!! Good message.
Amen brother!!!
Spot on!
Really??? This has absolutely nothing to do with fishing They are talking about cameras that stream live 24/7 and the hunter doesn't have to head to the woods until the deer, turkey, ECT... Have shown themselves two totally separate scenarios c'mon man livescope isn't bad and it doesn't make fish jump in the boat but all that doesn't matter because you're going to ride this topic until the end of time LMAO
Well said that does explain as best I’ve heard, keep up the drive, I’m done watching the grueling bass tournaments where it’s mostly ffs fishing, it couldn’t be more boring
I don’t know what it will take for the tournament organizations to have a paradigm shift away from technology but maybe this will get them to really think about it.
You hit the nail right on the head
Love to see it , keep up the good fight
I agree 100% I was the first woman to fish Crappie Busters in Topeka, KS, a good 20 yrs ago (no livescope back then). My husband and I fished hard at these tournaments, and we had a blast doing so. Rain, cold, sleet, snow, hotter and windier than heck days and we found the fish ourselves. We didn't need a video game to do our fishing for us, and at ages 64/65 we still don't, and we wouldn't have it any other way. And we are like many others - we are proud of what we can do without livescope! Technology is ruining so many things, including fishing. You said it well, it's taking the magic out of fishing. I question the skills, patience, integrity and ethics of livescope users who know nothing more than to push the ON button and look at a screen just to get instant gratification for catching the "biggest" fish, without using their own brain/skills. In my personal opinion, they are being lazy. They don't want to do the hard work, they want to reap the monitary rewards and say hey look at me. The amount of fish caught with livescope is significantly increased and there will be issues with the reduction of fish populations in the future, most definitely in smaller lakes. I also worked at the Kansas Wildlife and Parks and I was able to see/hear the mind set of some of the decision makers. I chimed in on occasion but unfortunately had retired before most of the livescope hoola took place. It's a good thing I no longer work there as they'd probably fire me for speaking my mind on livescope! LOL Fish on......
If BASS and MLF make it illegal to spotlight bass Ben M. will be screwed.
Not true
Ben M is great fisherman. He would adjust. They will all adjust.
You said 1 key word!! It’s a “club”. It has zero ties to DNR laws.
Couldn’t agree more 👍🏼
Hammer home run... 👍
Spot on... powerful statements. Without ethics, it means nothing and cheapens any accomplishments.
I don’t own a forward facing sonar unit but I don’t believe that just because you know the direction of the fish you will automatically get hooked up. It’s no different than sight fishing with polarized glasses, also almost every bass tournament I know of requires live weigh in and live release, therefore there is no detrimental effect of targeting the fish with a live sonar. The fish will still only take the bait it wants and on the way it wants it presented. The amount of pressure on these lakes is increasing with recreational boating making raw angling much more difficult and obtaining a creel in the allotted time Drawing in bigger fish to entice and entertain new prospective fishermen is how we grow the field. It’s not like Homer Simpson using crack for bait to draw them in, if anything, the live directional sonar repulses bass lateral lines making them harder to catch. Just my thoughts from a guy using a single head unit, doing it the traditional way.
I could not agree with you more Randy!! Well said!
Kudos to them for taking a stand. They knew it would hurt the electronic companies profits, but they believe in integrity first and foremost.
Amen, Randy
So the IGFA is the fishing equivalent, what do they have to say?
So spot on. You just provided BASS their wildlife policy-informed PR statement. Now it's on BASS. Just put it out there already...
Is a Flasher not a "Live" image". I mean I can see my lure on my flasher when I am jigging it under the boat. I can see it moving on the flasher as I move it.
If it is then why don’t all the spotlighters just use flashers?
@@randyblaukatintuitive - Did you answer my question with a question?
I agree 100%
Hopefully this does get applied and this would be a great thing to present to the DNR. Keep up the good fight!!
Great argument Randy!
John McHatton
I will always be true to myself. Every tournament I won last year was pure experience and instincts. It feels so rewarding to beat these all ffs "pros"
I could see someone sayin that killing and catching and releasing are two different things, although I agree with ya 💯 percent.them young bucks should wanna prove to themselves they can beat the other pro anglers with no electronics
If Forward Facing Sonar is too expensive for some high school anglers to afford then eliminate spot lock trolling motors and shallow water anchor systems too. You can’t bring price into this and pick and choose which is acceptable and which isn’t when they’re all expensive. I can promise they have one of these items on their bass boat.
I agree with you 100%
Hold up, let's actually talk about this I've been watching everyone go back and fourth about this. I've been in the woods and on the lake my entire life. I've caught bass crappie and bream in john boats with no electronics and I've caught bass crappie and bream in bass boats with the old hummingbirds, I've caught all of them with 2d I've caught all of them in my boat with SI and DI, I've never used SI or DI to catch a fish I always stay on 2d with my Garmin, what I can tell is this the fishing has changed on a lot of these smaller lakes, and me and some of my buddies have beat foward facing sonar with what we have. Now I'm getting foward facing sonar because I see it as a tool not to waste time and throwing at fish that won't bite. I've been in boats with people who use it and none of them have used it as a game changer but as a tool. Now let's go to the Boone and Crockett I'm all about the sport of hunting I've owned some cameras but never used them where I hunt, but how many deer are scored every year that were killed in a pen, while using these high tech cameras and range finders. The thing is fishing has changed. Hunting has changed, technology has advanced and do you have people who abuse and use it yes but do you have people who are using this as a tool to put food on the table instead of a dollar in their pocket yes. Let's compare apples to apples not apples to oranges
When they start trying to catch deer on a hook, we'll take a look at it. Fish do not have to bite any lure, and snagging fish is prohibited in tournaments already 🤷
Man last time I checked I yank back and set the hook when I feel something on the other end, is that snagging? I wasn't even talking about tournament fishing I'm talking fishing in general.
Spot on!!!!
Great job! Wow! That does say it all perfectly! You wrote the rule for them! Thanks to the sub who found this and sent it to you. So do they have a similar rule governing record fish? Someone should find this out!
Randy I hope you keep fighting this! I agree with you 100%! Each states Game And Parks need to see the impact this is having on fisheries and make regulations preventing all fisherman from this unfair advantage. If it’s a state regulation then tournaments have to abide by the laws.
That is a great comparison Randy.
Spot on Randy eventually I feel like LS, FFS will be outlawed. Let all ethical fisherman keep fighting the good fight. 😎
What does B&C have to do with fishing tournaments? We aren't talking about bass records, we are talking about tournaments. B&C doesnt run hunting tournaments. Its not the same thing. And I can still hunt with whatever I want within the law, who gives a fck what some record book keepers think? I think all sonar should be banned and wouldnt mind if they banned the tournaments either. This crap isnt what hunting and fishing is suppose to be about.
He's stating that if you use it to seek and find a record bass it will not be accepted so therefore it shouldn't be accepted in tournaments. And I also agree with toney stuff too but that would be tough to do and wouldn't want to have all the anglers unemployed either but the fish are paying the price either way. And my children and grandchildren cause the resources will be majorly impacted.
That’s what he is saying
Yep. I live in Southern California ( small, highly pressured lakes ), and one of my favorite lakes has become overrun by weekend tournaments and people using FFS! 10-15 years ago, on an average day on the lake I would catch anywhere from 10-20+ bass. A few maybe 4-5lbs. Over the past few years, I’m lucky to catch 1-2 bass, typically around 2lbs. Either somehow I all of a sudden suck at fishing ( been fishing salt and fresh water for over 40 years ), or, FFS and tournaments every weekend have ruined a once incredible bass lake!
@@stevencaldwell838Yeah my main issie with Randy is he seems to only care about getting ffs out of tournamnets, but we need outright bans in order to save fisheries. I have said it before, but we should sart pushing to ban them on idividual lakes like they do with gas powered outboards on some lakes.
@@joshwhite9211But you COULD use it to catch and then register a record bass. He is referring to not being able to register a buck deer in BC is you ise a trail camera or a drone, and he is equating that to sonar. If that analogy holds then 2D sonar would be cheating too, but he uses 2D. That still takes an image. I just think its splitting to many hairs. If the fisheries need, ban sonar. The tournaments can be managed better too. They can put a scale and a judge on each boat so the fish can be released immediately, or just use length like the kayak tournaments.
Imagine what a 1940s angler might have said about you now.
That you were using all kinds of unfair tech!
Carbon fiber rods & finely machined reels!
GPS + precise electronic depth mapping!
2D 'live' sonar on an electronic screen!
Side imaging 300+ ft wide swaths!
Foot controlled 112 pound 36v electric trolling motor!
250hp 4 cycle motors!
Braided line!
Fluorocarbon line!
Chemically sharpened teflon coated high grade steel hooks!
Weight transfer crankbaits!
Why not have tournaments ban ALL electronics? Maybe require all rods made from natural materials & lines from natural fibers? Heck ban all motors & seek fish the way of native Americans in paddled canoes?
Your whole pro fishing career was tied into, dependent on, and helping drive the commercialization of bass fishing. All your channels are commercialization. That's what has driven the never ending development of more & more expensive gear. If you want to see who brought this all about check your mirror.
That says nothing! Again repeating YOUR opinion! I have the LVS 34 and love it. It does not catch fish for me. it does help.
Very well said sir...
I have no opinion one way or the other about FFR. However, I would ask one question: How far back do we take this? Are depth finders OK? How about polarized sunglasses? How about a flogger? How about mono line (use only cotton braid like in the 40's)? You get the idea.
Excellent 👍
totally agree
Amen.
I totally agree and this is an excellent video. Thanks!
And I would think that it takes the fun and the excitement out of fishing 🤷♂️
Dear sir, I completely agree with your opinion on livescope. I just don't think the tournament trails will ever ban them. I don't use live scope or fwd sonar but I do use basic downward sonar. If we say no live scope where do we draw the line? Side scan? All electronics? In the 70s was there the same opinions about the first guys using sonar? By the way I watch and enjoy your channel.
AMEN! Could not agree more.
Well said
that segment said it all.Black and white.
Randy maybe the states should add that to the regulations.... if the state says ya cant use them then BASS has to follow all state rules...that may be easier than force the money grabbing tournaments to chnage
No…No….No more government regulation
I run mega live and it’s just another tool. GPS, sonar, mapping and side imaging was more of a game changer than forward facing sonar. So how far do we back up. Topo maps, floats, landmarks and cane poles that we used to find elevation changes. We are constantly advancing. That’s our nature. Forward facing sonar has not made me an elite champion. So it still comes down to the angle in the box. I can see restraining the number of transducers. Maybe we do like NASCAR and have tournaments that are limited like running restrictor plates to make all the cars equal. Everything in our lives have advanced. Boats , outboards, trolling motors and our tackle. My first boat was plywood with 7.5 Sears pathfinder outboard. So again my question is how fare do we want to back up!
100% Right!
When was this statement from B&C released, can you post a link in the comments.
He made it up as an example...
Tournament organizers could use a handicap scoring system and keep letting FFS continue. Something like: If you use Livescope, 10lbs will be reducted from your total weight.
I fish out of a 201 pro stratos. My trolling motor is cable steered only with Livescope Lvs 32 attached to the shaft. No spot lock and no shallow water anchors. I can promise you people like Dustin Connell and Jacob Wheeler and new generation dominating anglers would not be catching the same bags they currently are these days in my rig. It’s all about boat control. Always has been and always will. A fair trade off to level the playing field would be all FFS units are on cable steered trolling motors and no shallow water anchors. Non FFS units can. Just my opinion. I feel like the older generation is just mad because they can’t compete anymore because shallow water fishing is not as hot as it used to be. Tell me I’m wrong.
Very well put..!! Elite s And the rest of all these big bas tournaments just stop using this method, use to watch the elites live and all they do is have there nose pinned to the electrics so so boring. I really feel sorry for a Co angler. Great job Randy for bringing that across..
I really wish all the big tournament series would go back to work traditional fishing for one season to see how it goes it would definitely be more exciting and a lot of the old school guys would be kicking butt more than these young computer fishing guys