This event released to EN back when the only operators available at the time are those that were released during Dusk's Event (R6S don't count because honestly, all of them were terrible choices for their own event), at the time the most broken op we had was only Surtr, and Saga was pretty much the MVP for the OD-EX-8 among some strats. This was seriously difficult, but now with all these modern operators we have, it's basically a piece of cake.
You can just deploy Saga next to the blue box with Warfarin to heal her. SP goes brrr with Saga S2 M3 and Warfarin talent. Play with low to no sound because saga's going to be screaming constantly.
This boss suicides. All you need to do is stall the trash and deal with the infiltrators separately. A big stack of medic defenders with Blaze and an AOE caster does the former, and a defender and a sniper does the latter.
Blaze and Lappland can also pretty much handle the bottom lane because Lapp silences the spiders and Blaze kills most of the litle dudes on her own. I think La Pluma was release at the time and she can very nearly solo the bottom lane too. But yeah, it's a hard stage if you don't have ops that deal well with spam.
So the reason why this stage and boss specifically was hard back in the day because EN doesn't really have good ops for clearing boss + mobs Usually EN strat relies on surtr to kill the boss and relies on other ops like silverash or exusiai to hold on the mobs This boss however counter surtr very well. There's no great tile for surtr to kill the boss, even if you found it surtr atk speed will reduced if she somehow attack the mini enemies. Not only that, even exusiai somewhat countered in this by making the infiltrator less targeted to be attacked and the mini enemies lower her atk speed. Another aspect that EN forget is that we don't usually upgrade the ops beside the meta, we're lacking experimental stuff That's why the meme "just surtr it" Was created, because at thet time, yes surtr is the meta, while other 4 and 5 star was never really experimented by EN (almost rare you guys see doctor build bibeak or manticore back then) Again, it is possible to do this now, even with the op from that time because now we got the information and almost all doctors have experienced stage that was harder than this. Don't blame him guys, back then you guys know how hard this stage was
There was a Saga + Medic duo. And Saga basically solo DPS bottom lane. Most people who kept up with CN to some degree or knew people who kept up were aware of this, so most people went the Saga route and didn't have too much issue. For the people that didn't, they learned to use ranged AoEs because blocking the upgraded tumors slowed the operator down. Biggest issue at the end was the constant explosions obliterating operators, so it was basically just a stat check The map *was* difficult at the time, I'll give you that. But it wasn't the worst once you figured out enemy pathings and the like. And stat check shenanigans. Most people back then were still running E2 Lv 40~50 tops. Nowadays you will see a lot of Lv 90s I went with stall method. Ifrit lane with some backup on the top side for Infiltrators. Enough healing coverage for all operators, probably 3~4 medics and Saria S3 to battery cycle the medic bursts. Mob swarms were covered by Executor and Aosta with a block 3 guard. Pinecone was better for this though
i've used Myrtle for many years now and this is the very first time i've seen her s2 animation outside of IS you are quite the bold strategist also how are people pronouncing Degenbrecher so wrong? she says her name when you pull her lol
You use Cliffheart s2 for the top lane, stops them ever breaking through the bridge. Place her opposite the boss. Lappy behind a tank down the bottom to minimise the spawnlings.
The explosions were the worst for me when this map came around. So I hunkered down with... 3~4 medics, Saria S3 to battery the burst heals along with Ptilo. Had Ceylon as well for her coverage and multi-target on S2. Forget if we had Whisperain yet, but that was another unit because Ceylon S2 synergy. Ifrit top lane with some supports as backup because mine wasn't strong enough. Aosta + Executor + 3 Block for bottom lane It was definitely a hard map, but knowing what was going on simplified it quite a bit when you realize it is just "stall one lane and clear stragglers on another" then try to survive by healing a ton at the end. Killing the boss quickly wasn't an option back then due to tile positioning and targeting shenanigans. No Mylnar to attempt True Damage cleave Rerun was much easier because the issue was basically a stat check on units for healing, and I leveled a few units above E2 45 for once. Just hit auto and was done. Then CM was a slight modification from before because stronger units made things a lot simpler in regards to healing and sustain
considering challange mode was cleared at rerun I surely figured out something. Even managed a 5* only, no modules with operators released before the original event. You just need a ton of AOE like Manticore and Executor. You can even do fun stuff like Warfaring and Unlmited blade works Bilbeak and just spam the skill.
@@husaini8009 At least some effort was placed. I can almost see this as someone close to being braindead failing at their own challenge due to Actually. No. I can't find any reasoning behind this fuckup.
sorry to tell you, you don't know your operators and you don't know the mechanics of the level. With the operators you have on your team, you could have done it even with the OG operators. It's not the game's fault.
Also I never said it was the game's fault. The entire video explicitly is about my failures as a player. The claim was never that the stage was impossible, that's just the title because said title garners attention. This is just me dramatizing a clear of a stage that I found difficult I don't mean to single you out here, sorry if it seems like it, but I'm really responding to most of these comments collectively here
@@YoursTruely yeah. I did watch it to the end. I think the struggle trying to figure it out how to solve it like a puzzle is part of the reason why the game is compelling. We know we can do it, it just takes some trial and error, and when you finally find the key to the solution, (Saria S2 in your case) it makes the whole struggle somewhat rewarding and from there you could choose to further optimize the solution and make it more efficient and faster with fewer operators etc.
@@junkname9983 Oh absolutely. I moaned and groaned a lot but I did have a ton of fun with this. Its why niche knights is fun (although I'm not the biggest fan of it) The hardest Arknights stages are when the game is at its best, dolly, CC, etc.
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You make me feel smarter than I actually am.
This event released to EN back when the only operators available at the time are those that were released during Dusk's Event (R6S don't count because honestly, all of them were terrible choices for their own event), at the time the most broken op we had was only Surtr, and Saga was pretty much the MVP for the OD-EX-8 among some strats.
This was seriously difficult, but now with all these modern operators we have, it's basically a piece of cake.
The amount of time I have audibly SCREAMED at you to use pullers to camp pillardudes... Man. My throat is sore.
Back then you deployed Saga on the bottom, 2 defenders and got tinnitus from Saga screaming.
You can just deploy Saga next to the blue box with Warfarin to heal her. SP goes brrr with Saga S2 M3 and Warfarin talent. Play with low to no sound because saga's going to be screaming constantly.
i used Siege instead, her skill's auto
well, Siege, a Blaze, and Lappland all lined up in a row
6:00
The infinite stall is crazy.
i used to rant this on discord server and glad i wasnt alone
11:44, boss explosion too OP, literally kills the game
This boss suicides. All you need to do is stall the trash and deal with the infiltrators separately. A big stack of medic defenders with Blaze and an AOE caster does the former, and a defender and a sniper does the latter.
Blaze and Lappland can also pretty much handle the bottom lane because Lapp silences the spiders and Blaze kills most of the litle dudes on her own. I think La Pluma was release at the time and she can very nearly solo the bottom lane too. But yeah, it's a hard stage if you don't have ops that deal well with spam.
So the reason why this stage and boss specifically was hard back in the day because EN doesn't really have good ops for clearing boss + mobs
Usually EN strat relies on surtr to kill the boss and relies on other ops like silverash or exusiai to hold on the mobs
This boss however counter surtr very well. There's no great tile for surtr to kill the boss, even if you found it surtr atk speed will reduced if she somehow attack the mini enemies.
Not only that, even exusiai somewhat countered in this by making the infiltrator less targeted to be attacked and the mini enemies lower her atk speed.
Another aspect that EN forget is that we don't usually upgrade the ops beside the meta, we're lacking experimental stuff
That's why the meme "just surtr it" Was created, because at thet time, yes surtr is the meta, while other 4 and 5 star was never really experimented by EN (almost rare you guys see doctor build bibeak or manticore back then)
Again, it is possible to do this now, even with the op from that time because now we got the information and almost all doctors have experienced stage that was harder than this.
Don't blame him guys, back then you guys know how hard this stage was
@@SamuelShiina You're awesome
There was a Saga + Medic duo. And Saga basically solo DPS bottom lane. Most people who kept up with CN to some degree or knew people who kept up were aware of this, so most people went the Saga route and didn't have too much issue. For the people that didn't, they learned to use ranged AoEs because blocking the upgraded tumors slowed the operator down. Biggest issue at the end was the constant explosions obliterating operators, so it was basically just a stat check
The map *was* difficult at the time, I'll give you that. But it wasn't the worst once you figured out enemy pathings and the like. And stat check shenanigans. Most people back then were still running E2 Lv 40~50 tops. Nowadays you will see a lot of Lv 90s
I went with stall method. Ifrit lane with some backup on the top side for Infiltrators. Enough healing coverage for all operators, probably 3~4 medics and Saria S3 to battery cycle the medic bursts. Mob swarms were covered by Executor and Aosta with a block 3 guard. Pinecone was better for this though
i've used Myrtle for many years now and this is the very first time i've seen her s2 animation outside of IS
you are quite the bold strategist
also how are people pronouncing Degenbrecher so wrong? she says her name when you pull her lol
I genuinely didn't know you could just wait the boss out and that his health would deplate on it's own.
You use Cliffheart s2 for the top lane, stops them ever breaking through the bridge. Place her opposite the boss. Lappy behind a tank down the bottom to minimise the spawnlings.
pretty sure greyy alter could almost solo the slug waves when the bottom wall is blown up and the mobs move speed is slowed lol
grey alt didnt come until much later
The discord @ is visible at 35:09, if you need to keep it anonymous
You're absolutely goated thank you 🙏
Nice video! love seeing EN can't read HSHHSASHAHA but we don't need to, you just needed to deploy surtr and her meds to insta win!
ngl I used Ifrit to deal with the pillar dudes. Could be my brainrot but I never miss an Ifrit lane
The explosions were the worst for me when this map came around. So I hunkered down with... 3~4 medics, Saria S3 to battery the burst heals along with Ptilo. Had Ceylon as well for her coverage and multi-target on S2. Forget if we had Whisperain yet, but that was another unit because Ceylon S2 synergy. Ifrit top lane with some supports as backup because mine wasn't strong enough. Aosta + Executor + 3 Block for bottom lane
It was definitely a hard map, but knowing what was going on simplified it quite a bit when you realize it is just "stall one lane and clear stragglers on another" then try to survive by healing a ton at the end. Killing the boss quickly wasn't an option back then due to tile positioning and targeting shenanigans. No Mylnar to attempt True Damage cleave
Rerun was much easier because the issue was basically a stat check on units for healing, and I leveled a few units above E2 45 for once. Just hit auto and was done. Then CM was a slight modification from before because stronger units made things a lot simpler in regards to healing and sustain
considering challange mode was cleared at rerun I surely figured out something. Even managed a 5* only, no modules with operators released before the original event. You just need a ton of AOE like Manticore and Executor. You can even do fun stuff like Warfaring and Unlmited blade works Bilbeak and just spam the skill.
This was indeed super painful back in the day. congrats on the clear man
@@yosi2142 Thanks ❤️
This is where SAGA shone most in Arknights.
That "Did i ask?" felt personal xD
I mean. No? But the vid was nice, save for lack of tactics occasionally. And your placements. And. Well.
Everything aside from intentions sucked, ngl
@@husaini8009 At least some effort was placed. I can almost see this as someone close to being braindead failing at their own challenge due to
Actually. No. I can't find any reasoning behind this fuckup.
This staged really fucked me up ngl
I'm getting cooked in these comments 🥲
@@YoursTruelyEoE already coooked you, lmao. You are a prepackaged meal, we're only heating you.
@@GlebSeva I won against EoE in the end 🤷♂
I love you. Which is why I must be honest
ifrit would make things so much easier for you lol
Skill issue 🤣👉
sorry to tell you, you don't know your operators and you don't know the mechanics of the level. With the operators you have on your team, you could have done it even with the OG operators. It's not the game's fault.
I did clear it with these ops tho.
Skip to the end
Also I never said it was the game's fault. The entire video explicitly is about my failures as a player. The claim was never that the stage was impossible, that's just the title because said title garners attention. This is just me dramatizing a clear of a stage that I found difficult
I don't mean to single you out here, sorry if it seems like it, but I'm really responding to most of these comments collectively here
@@YoursTruely yeah. I did watch it to the end. I think the struggle trying to figure it out how to solve it like a puzzle is part of the reason why the game is compelling. We know we can do it, it just takes some trial and error, and when you finally find the key to the solution, (Saria S2 in your case) it makes the whole struggle somewhat rewarding and from there you could choose to further optimize the solution and make it more efficient and faster with fewer operators etc.
@@junkname9983 Oh absolutely. I moaned and groaned a lot but I did have a ton of fun with this. Its why niche knights is fun (although I'm not the biggest fan of it)
The hardest Arknights stages are when the game is at its best, dolly, CC, etc.