I would love to try one of these risers. My GMX has been a workhorse and is a great riser , and this seems to be in your words "refined" in comparison. The limb pockets and adjustments look great, and I am loving the bolt indexing. Thanks Jake, great video as always.
I shoot the original GMX to this day, but this made me want a new bow. All the improvements for tuning and fine adjustment look so nice. (I really dislike the shim system in the original GMX)
Thank you for this, I’ve currently got an xceed and going to be trying the GMX tomorrow. It was definitely interesting watching this as i hate setting up new bows, but given how you moved some things straight from the xceed give me a warm feeling it might not be so bad as I know what i like on my xceed.
I’m looking at another gmx3 with the bushings for the main center stabilizer and the rear mounting points below the grip and the lower back of the bow. All the bushings are off
That looks awesome, after 2 years doing archery id love to be able to afford some hoyt gear but i expect itll be a few more years before im good enough for that type of gear. Im just getting a handle on using some stabilisers for 50yards. Love the channel though it helped me fix some problems with my arrow spines a very useful resource. 😊😊
Lovely looking riser! I’m not surprised the finish and quality is so good, I have an Aerotec and an Axis that are about 20 years old and the quality of those is really good too, nice to see standards haven’t slipped. Maybe in 20 years time I’ll have a GMX3 in my collection, hopefully I’ll have completed my collection of Tec risers by then lol. As always Jake, thanks for everything you do for us 😊
Hey Jake, the tolerances on the tiller bolt was an interesting point to bring up, but it got me wondering what kind of tolerances you see in the limb fork between different sets/brands of limbs. I'd be curious to see what the differences are between a few brands, and if there is a large difference what you could do about it to make sure you get a tight fit.
Have you seen this video? What Size Precision Tiller Bolts Do You Need? th-cam.com/video/kf0hyX9RlLc/w-d-xo.html As far as variance I have seen limbs as small as .369 and as large as .388” The largest sometimes aren’t even worn out and only a month or less old. Each manufacture varies, but I have seen trends
Hoyt is looking over my bow and supposed to let me know if it’s warranty-able it’s not good so I assume it will be but I will update here. My axias were for sure a warranty. Keep an eye out for space between the plastic bits and the limbs… they exchanged mine. Waiting on replacements for both.
Thanks for the reply. I am disappointed. $850 for a new riser and the center stab is not centered on the riser. Won’t be able to use the center stab for alignment. Another update. My axia foam did not “creak” on my xceed. But on the gmx3, it creaks all the time
Hi Jack English is not my native language. maybe I missed. what kind of Lims strength/pound do you have? 70m what kind of arrows do you use? nice greetings from Vienna.
What worries me about the painted riser is that paint will chip much more easily than an anodised finish! Not to mention the sling rubbing against the corners?
Hi sir how are you, I learn lot of things from your videos of how to tuning the recurve bow . It's more useful to me about tuning sir . And thank you for sharing your knowledge
I have also found these colors (red formula) bit too distracting, so I went with bland looking slate (grey) finish on my formula XD. Axiom limbs are awesome, just not quite sure 900eur I paid for them awesome (perhaps should have watch your video on how to spend money smarter by buying top of the line sight instead).
Hi Jake. Saw what happened to your bareshafts. What do you do if the two bare shafts go different ways even after great-feeling shots? One to the left and one to the right. After shooting another set, it goes the same way?
Hi Jake, can your limb bolts be put in a classical GMX and replace its original pivotable bolts? Does it alter somehow the way how the GMX was thought to work?
Yes the Precision Tiller Bolts for the GMX and replace the pivoting bolts with no changes to the bow or how it works. It will actually make the bow better by eliminating the pivoting bolts which were found to cause issues such as changing tiller each time you string the bow. There is a reason why Hoyt abandoned that tiller bolt over time.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery your bolts are likely to be my gift for my coming birthday. Last question, do you confirm that, also for GMX, 5 turns must always stay into the hole for safety reasons? This is written in the manual, printed for a variety of Hoyt bows, not specifically for GMX.
Also, the limb fit is a much better quality, but I’m coming from Prodigy XT, so only to be expected. I could hardly get it the limbs (Formula Integra) out of the pockets. On the XD they just slide in and out.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery nope, not loose at all. Nice and snug. I’ll do the test that you do to check, next time I set up the bow. The limbs are the 2023 version of the Carbon Integra’s. They were incredibly tight on the Prodigy bolts. Very difficult to remove from the bow.
I'd bet the prodigy bolts were within spec and the XD are similar to the size mine are, a little undersize. You just are lucky and have a set of limbs that are small in the fork and make them nice and snug.
The dampers have a ridge they fit into, the exceed riser does not have that ridge so they may fall out.... As far as the bolts, all 2009+ Hoyt risers are the same. I offer them for sale on my website currently and have both sizes of the Hoyt Precision Tiller Bolts in stock at jakekaminski.com/store/ols/products/precision-tiller-bolts
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks Jake! Great videos as always, and the answers are useful. Would love a pair of your bolts but UK import duty is very high. I do have some Kaminski grips - you're right about the filler at the thumb location.
Please write Quicks archery and request them to carry the bolts, they say not too much interest in them so they don’t want to place an order. I’ve had many people ask if anyone in the UK sells them yet…
First comment😊 I guess with this top heavy and shorter lower part of this riser it's not optimal for barebow shooting. And I still like the anodized one more. What do you think?
Hi Jake, I ordered my GMX 3 Series on the very first day. Anxiously awaiting its arrival. I have received the new limbs already. Just waiting for the riser. I am excited. Rick Mansberger Patreon Subscriber Gun and Bows Archery Morrice Michigan
Yeah I’ve shot a scoring round with it and revealed a few things I need to work on, both with my form (which is a good thing) and with the setup which could be challenging without countless hours to dedicate as top shooters do.
I wouldn't want a bow that "jumps", I don't like risers that move a lot on release. That would be very aggravating and would definitely disturb my accuracy.
Sorry to hear that, email me with some of your thoughts and I’ll take them in consideration for when I do a more expanded second edition. My goal was a methodical, clear cut and simple to follow process that will result in tuning success without the fluff.
Incredible Jake, there's a page called chn. Archery where they sell Hoyt bows but they sell them as Tbows (brand name) do you think those bows will change their performance?
I have one of those and they are a serious safety hazard.... Keep posted for a video to be released soon about them. Spoiler: I couldn't even string mine for safety reasons.
I would love to try one of these risers. My GMX has been a workhorse and is a great riser , and this seems to be in your words "refined" in comparison. The limb pockets and adjustments look great, and I am loving the bolt indexing. Thanks Jake, great video as always.
I’ve just got the stardust purple XD here in the UK, and I’m happy to report, the new XD’s also come with the new design tiller bolts.
I shoot the original GMX to this day, but this made me want a new bow. All the improvements for tuning and fine adjustment look so nice. (I really dislike the shim system in the original GMX)
I shoot original GMX and don't need shims management.
Thank you for this, I’ve currently got an xceed and going to be trying the GMX tomorrow. It was definitely interesting watching this as i hate setting up new bows, but given how you moved some things straight from the xceed give me a warm feeling it might not be so bad as I know what i like on my xceed.
What's your impression on gmx3 vs xceed?
How does the GMX 3 stack up to the ATF-DX? And is the GMX 3 more than just an ILF Formula DX? Does it have significant upgrades?
There's a lot of buzz around this riser for barebow. So I'd be interested to see how you feel about the LPP when stringwalking too, especially at 18m.
I'm very interested the effect of LPP and the lower rest position as well for stringwalking.
Me to! Please Jake setup this riser for barebow and give us your opinion.
Great video like always
Thank you Jake
matt yacca had an orange one at outdoor nats. It was gorgeous.
Re: Indexed tiller bolts- Check out a bunch of different Italian risers from the 1990's. Same feature.
I’m looking at another gmx3 with the bushings for the main center stabilizer and the rear mounting points below the grip and the lower back of the bow. All the bushings are off
That looks awesome, after 2 years doing archery id love to be able to afford some hoyt gear but i expect itll be a few more years before im good enough for that type of gear. Im just getting a handle on using some stabilisers for 50yards. Love the channel though it helped me fix some problems with my arrow spines a very useful resource. 😊😊
Lovely looking riser! I’m not surprised the finish and quality is so good, I have an Aerotec and an Axis that are about 20 years old and the quality of those is really good too, nice to see standards haven’t slipped. Maybe in 20 years time I’ll have a GMX3 in my collection, hopefully I’ll have completed my collection of Tec risers by then lol. As always Jake, thanks for everything you do for us 😊
what is your top 3 riser you have ever used
Isn't Brady now shooting the 27" GMX3?
Hey Jake, the tolerances on the tiller bolt was an interesting point to bring up, but it got me wondering what kind of tolerances you see in the limb fork between different sets/brands of limbs. I'd be curious to see what the differences are between a few brands, and if there is a large difference what you could do about it to make sure you get a tight fit.
Have you seen this video? What Size Precision Tiller Bolts Do You Need?
th-cam.com/video/kf0hyX9RlLc/w-d-xo.html
As far as variance I have seen limbs as small as .369 and as large as .388”
The largest sometimes aren’t even worn out and only a month or less old. Each manufacture varies, but I have seen trends
I’d be interested in the resolution you got Jake from the issue you found from the stabilizer bushing being not center.
Hoyt is looking over my bow and supposed to let me know if it’s warranty-able it’s not good so I assume it will be but I will update here.
My axias were for sure a warranty. Keep an eye out for space between the plastic bits and the limbs… they exchanged mine. Waiting on replacements for both.
Thanks for the reply. I am disappointed. $850 for a new riser and the center stab is not centered on the riser. Won’t be able to use the center stab for alignment.
Another update. My axia foam did not “creak” on my xceed. But on the gmx3, it creaks all the time
I agree 100%
Hi Jack English is not my native language. maybe I missed. what kind of Lims strength/pound do you have? 70m what kind of arrows do you use? nice greetings from Vienna.
What worries me about the painted riser is that paint will chip much more easily than an anodised finish! Not to mention the sling rubbing against the corners?
Hi sir how are you, I learn lot of things from your videos of how to tuning the recurve bow . It's more useful to me about tuning sir . And thank you for sharing your knowledge
Hello, I would like to know if Hoyt has answered you about the central stabilizer nut being displaced. Thank you and greetings.
Yeah, my riser was defective....
Thank you very much for your honesty when responding.
Hi jake. Go archery 💪
Please more tips and pratices content about long distance barebow and trad
Would you recommend it for barebow?
I have also found these colors (red formula) bit too distracting, so I went with bland looking slate (grey) finish on my formula XD.
Axiom limbs are awesome, just not quite sure 900eur I paid for them awesome (perhaps should have watch your video on how to spend money smarter by buying top of the line sight instead).
Looks like a modded Xceed… nice colour tho. I got them NS limbs on my Xceed, great limbs.
Hi Jake. Saw what happened to your bareshafts. What do you do if the two bare shafts go different ways even after great-feeling shots? One to the left and one to the right. After shooting another set, it goes the same way?
I use a third bareshaft usually... just didn't have one here
Hi Jake, can your limb bolts be put in a classical GMX and replace its original pivotable bolts? Does it alter somehow the way how the GMX was thought to work?
Yes the Precision Tiller Bolts for the GMX and replace the pivoting bolts with no changes to the bow or how it works. It will actually make the bow better by eliminating the pivoting bolts which were found to cause issues such as changing tiller each time you string the bow. There is a reason why Hoyt abandoned that tiller bolt over time.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery your bolts are likely to be my gift for my coming birthday. Last question, do you confirm that, also for GMX, 5 turns must always stay into the hole for safety reasons? This is written in the manual, printed for a variety of Hoyt bows, not specifically for GMX.
Also, the limb fit is a much better quality, but I’m coming from Prodigy XT, so only to be expected. I could hardly get it the limbs (Formula Integra) out of the pockets. On the XD they just slide in and out.
So on the new XD with the new bolts the limbs are loose? Which limbs are you using?
@@JakeKaminskiArchery nope, not loose at all. Nice and snug. I’ll do the test that you do to check, next time I set up the bow. The limbs are the 2023 version of the Carbon Integra’s. They were incredibly tight on the Prodigy bolts. Very difficult to remove from the bow.
I'd bet the prodigy bolts were within spec and the XD are similar to the size mine are, a little undersize. You just are lucky and have a set of limbs that are small in the fork and make them nice and snug.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery yay for lucky. 😄
Love your vids btw, and will be using your warm-up routine every shoot now. 👍🏻💪🏻🏹
Which specific risers have you shot that jumped the hardest out of the hand?
I would say the fivics argon x jumps really hard and crisp nicely. It's punchy but clean.
Does the 360 damper fit the Xceed (in the weight pocket)?
There isn’t a groove in the pocket for it to stay put in the exceed I think
Thx for taking the time to answer. Once again I'm in your debt.
Will the tiller bolts and damper inserts fit an Exceed riser?
The dampers have a ridge they fit into, the exceed riser does not have that ridge so they may fall out.... As far as the bolts, all 2009+ Hoyt risers are the same. I offer them for sale on my website currently and have both sizes of the Hoyt Precision Tiller Bolts in stock at jakekaminski.com/store/ols/products/precision-tiller-bolts
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks Jake! Great videos as always, and the answers are useful. Would love a pair of your bolts but UK import duty is very high. I do have some Kaminski grips - you're right about the filler at the thumb location.
Please write Quicks archery and request them to carry the bolts, they say not too much interest in them so they don’t want to place an order. I’ve had many people ask if anyone in the UK sells them yet…
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I will do that!
I am your big fan of your shooting ❤
IMO nothing can beat the atf-dx atm.
why do you think so?
Just a guess but the Arcos was probably the GMX 2
GLORIOUS. . . .
Oh yes the orange from around 2012 was pretty epic, I do miss Fusion anodised finishes too
Really miss the anodised finishes, have a knack for chipping paint, still manage to mark the ano but at least the effect is minimal
@colingregory7464 I think these updated Cerekotes are pretty equivalent now?
I think shiny anodising is a thing of the past unfortunately🙃
@@liamboyle9199 Oh well
Best reviews in the business, hands down. Great review
Thanks!
First comment😊
I guess with this top heavy and shorter lower part of this riser it's not optimal for barebow shooting.
And I still like the anodized one more.
What do you think?
Hi Jake,
I ordered my GMX 3 Series on the very first day. Anxiously awaiting its arrival. I have received the new limbs already. Just waiting for the riser. I am excited.
Rick Mansberger
Patreon Subscriber
Gun and Bows Archery
Morrice Michigan
Dont get too excited about this riser, this riser is not for everyone due to is lower grip position on the riser.
Yeah I’ve shot a scoring round with it and revealed a few things I need to work on, both with my form (which is a good thing) and with the setup which could be challenging without countless hours to dedicate as top shooters do.
I wouldn't want a bow that "jumps", I don't like risers that move a lot on release. That would be very aggravating and would definitely disturb my accuracy.
I'd call this the Epik series 2 really.
I really rate this channel but I have to say, I was completely underwhelmed by "tuning for performance", bordering on disappointed.
Sorry to hear that, email me with some of your thoughts and I’ll take them in consideration for when I do a more expanded second edition.
My goal was a methodical, clear cut and simple to follow process that will result in tuning success without the fluff.
an ordinary handle that is not like Hoyt... As expected, xceed is the best
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Incredible Jake, there's a page called chn. Archery where they sell Hoyt bows but they sell them as Tbows (brand name) do you think those bows will change their performance?
I have one of those and they are a serious safety hazard.... Keep posted for a video to be released soon about them.
Spoiler: I couldn't even string mine for safety reasons.
They don't sell Hoyt bows. They sell knock offs
Yeah tbows are not hoyts they are stolen designs that are very volitile.
Those are 3D-scanned knock offs. Chinese stuff.
They are good bows that are copied.