Back to alternate history stuff. This is focusing on just the North American portion of the Seven Years War, or 'French and Indian War' as it was to the British colonists. I will come back on this scenario eventually. If you like the plush, you can get it here for a limited time. bit.ly/3gNYMHa
@@Animator-J-u6d I guess there's no specific name for folks from Quebec City. Because Québécois/Quebecker relates to people fron Quebec in general. Even in french we don't say Québécois, it's just too confusing.
But one doesn't go without the other. If you don't have the first one, the second one doesn't happen. But if you have the second one, then you surely have the first one.
Forgot about the Franco-Prussian war which made France very angery over a tiny piece of land, triggering them to get into a millions of deaths war because of a tiny country. Which then caused WW2 because they decided hey, let's make Germany have horrible border gore (East Prussia) like it's a Paradox game to get back at them, and seize all their colonies.
British: “Guys we are running out of money, we gotta end the war” French: “Jokes on you. Government can’t say we are running out of money, if we already ran out of money years ago!”
Pretty sure that happened sometime during the Revolutionary War as the Southern Campaign is a massive slogfest between the British, the Loyalists, and the Patriots...
5:25 Fear To Survive 6:52 French Revolution would still happen 7:44 New France Matters 9:37 1820s Independence of Peace 11:45 Global Civil War 12:49 France big block in Manifest Destiny
@@firethylacine1976 They were only on europe except for egypt. I guess so was ww1 but the americans joined in, mexico was getting a telegram, in numerous places they tried taking german territories, etc.
@@dakota6050 I disagree. Just like the 7-Years War, the coalition Wars were fought in the European colonies. The wars allowed Britain to become an unopposed global power, as they took Ceylon, Malacca and South Africa from the Dutch, as well as Mauritius, Seychelles, Dominica and Saint Lucia from France, while Spain and Portugal would end up expelled from continental Americas in the following decade.
Oi China you uncouth bloke I have a loisence to sell that opium in yoiur port Now have a puff on the bifta and leave my trade in peace ight. We don’t want no trouble bruv, just free trade so I can escape Birmingham lad.
Something which expands the "What if" even more, is the idea that maybe the french revolution could have pushed nobleblooded, military men into exile. But instead of other european powers they retreat to french america. Their expertise in the new world, and more importantly at disposal to the natives is an interesting factor to consider.
Yeah i really wish more countries pulled a Portugal and decided "hey since things are going to shit here in Europe, lets just move to the americas" it worked really well here for Brazil so i think it would be interesting to see the results if France and Spain did the same, even Russia had the potential to have done it too if they didn't sold Alaska
I live in central Louisiana and we have an entire dialect of “Cajun” French that is still commonly spoken here We also trace our ancestry back to France.
In this alternate timeline I suspect Louisiana would be something similar to Quebec as in predominantly French speaking and Louisiana would be the US version of french canada
@@GabrielJ.Fontenot one thing I wonder with you being descended from them if reason Louisiana didnt end up like Quebec today is because of how Louisiana went to Spanish rule and the administration changed how things worked Another possibility with this alternate timeline is that Detroit today would have more french connections and maybe have there version of Mardi Gras which Detroit got smaller since fur trade in great lakes collapsed after the war but in this timeline the fur trade wouldn't collapse
@@speedracer1004 Yeah as well as everything else they still have but Cody was specifically referring to "remaining French influence in Canada" (and America technically as he mentioned Ohio)
Those islands were completely depopulated by the Brits during the late 18th century (twice, IIRC). The current French speaking population there are descendents of settlers from post-revolutionary France and do not have any historical ties to New France. Sure, France owned the islands on paper but they were just empty rocks for a while. They do have a modest amount of shared culture with the rest of Canada, due to mass media, travel and education (while most residents get higher education in France, some opt to go to Quebec and New Brunswick). They're viewed as French by French Canadians and they view themselves as such, albeit with a greater affinity with Canada and North America.
Imagine being a confederate solider, looking up from behind your barricade, and seeing hundreds of british soldiers, flying the union jack, side by side with the Northern solders, all coming to wipe you out
“The flag of France remained flying over Montreal” *shows Quebec City and a hotel that was built over 120 years AFTER the French and Indian War* ah I love the smell of baguettes in the morning
You should do a video about the scenario of Québec becoming independent in the 1980 or the 1995 referendum. The relations between Québec, Canada, France and the United States should be pretty interesting to analyze.
And not just any picture of Quebec City, of course it's that hotel that was built over a century after New France fell by an Anglo railroad company lol. But yeah minor nitpick.
Tecumseh during this timeline would be wild as he would establish prophetstown and begin expanding everywhere the French couldn't reach him. I think the Natives would realistically stand a chance against the Anglos had this occured
The French generally had fairly good relations with most indigenous populations except the Iroquois Confederacy (which was a longtime British ally). Native trade networks and populations were actively part of French economic activity in New France. Intermarriage was also more common between French colonials and indigenous peoples, especially among the French traders who actively interacted with the natives. I could easily see the French encouraging the formation of an allied and organized indigenous nation as a counterbalance to the British colonists. Odds are the French would view it as a vassal state or protectorate but lack the inclination or manpower to prevent it gaining autonomy. So long as the Brits remain as a common enemy and the French don't plan to encourage mass migration, good relations would just make economic sense to them. Exactly how this major change in circumstances plays out for Tecumseh's life story is anyone's guess. Wild indeed!
@@paranoidrodent you know that is honestly a good point as well. I feel like in order for France to keep New France, Napoleon would have to win Trafalgar and Nelson would still have to be killed at that battle. That way naval Hedgemony wouldn't be an issue anymore.
@@bcvetkov8534 If the French Ancien Régime avoided the cost of the American Revolution and gained extra colonial wealth from India (assuming that they won the Seven Years' War as decisively as the British did in our timeline), the financial crises that triggered the French Revolution probably get pushed back at least a few decades. The timing of Napoleon's rise gets disrupted and all sorts of butterfly effects occur. Does he fade into obscurity, become a revolutionary in Corsica, or perhaps end up leading a coup that replaces Louis XVI directly (skipping the revolution as we know it)? He lacked the social status to match his ambition and talent in the old system but it is hard to imagine he doesn't somehow do something. Heck, just imagine if he spearheaded Corsican independence and then expanded into Italy, triggering Italian unification decades ahead of our timeline. It gives his Roman inspired aesthetic a whole new level of authenticity. Mussolini didn't have the chops to revive the Roman Empire, but Napoleon focused on Italy rather than France? Hmm.
Speaking as an eighteenth-century specialist, I think you did a great job incorporating the interlocking nuances of the period to produce a compelling alternate timeline. Very nicely done!
I've literally been rewatching old AltHistHub videos and reading up on French history, especially Post-Revolution/Napoleonic Era France, for the past couple days. What amazing timing.
In Britain it's called "The Seven Years War" which is incredibly unoriginal. Then again, we could have called it "fighting the French mark XXIII" so I guess it's not too bad. Still, there's a lot of serious debate as to whether it should be considered the real First World War. Lots of significant battles happening all across the world, and even defining the fate of those parts of the world for decades/generations to come.
@@inigobantok1579 Yes, but sometimes pre-existing smaller wars get subsumed into larger wars when looking back in hindsight. And it's the result of the later starting larger war that defines the result of the earlier starting smaller one. e.g. the war between Japan and China began in 1937 (or possibly 1933). But it was resolved by the US defeat of Japan in WWII. So it's now considered a single theatre of WWII that just happened to start early. History can be weird like that sometimes, but it does make sense when considering the bigger picture.
I just want to say THANK YOU for all those years of content, I am following you since your first video. You made a busines out of this channel, making good money.
I really like how the alternate histories you do are so much more realistic than others you look at the facts of the situation and practical solutions instead of something like “the colonists all move to Australia” or “we have America today but they’re French”
@@TheBlueWind3941if your talking about india the country it's hindi if your talking about the native american it's different languages like iroquois, shoshone, cherokee, navajo, yupik inuit.
You need to explore this world more. It is my bread and butter. Alternate American history that isn’t “what if the nazis one world war 2” is my bread and butter
You're my favorite creater, just so you know. Your videos are always amazingly entertaining and humorous, plus, your animations give it that extra delightful touch. I hope you you get the reward you rightfully deserve for the work you put into them. Thanks a ton, Cody.
Then you should check out TURN:Washington’s Spies. One of the best shows ever.. made me laugh and cry and above all, followed Washington while he was courting the French, running a sophisticated spy network, and dealing with threats from outside as well as inside. I even got my parents to watch it and they are 60 and not usually into shows like that and they both loved it.
Wait... if France never lost the land in Murica. Wouldn't they be able to ease problems that led up to the French Revolution by shipping people off to Murica?
New France then: Oui oui look at how developed we are, hon hon hon we are the best New France now: *D E T R O I T* But jokes aside, there's actually another remnant of New France in North America. A place that's STILL under French rule to this day...the tiny islands and overseas collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon off the coast of Newfoundland. Britain granted fishing rights to France along the Newfoundland coast and allowed them to keep Saint Pierre and Miquelon under the Treaty of Paris. Their unofficial flag is pretty cool
I can see France annexing British held Rupert’s land, mostly because it was even less populated than French America, and because Rupert’s land was already a fur trading colony, so it’d fit right in with the rest of French North America.
@@alexjv1370 ehh, if u look at the states which have alot of Mexicans, it's like around 30% or lower depending on the state and even the Mexicans are speaking English
Hope he would do same thing like that when he covered the indian part or at least acknowledge political entity of india at that time but I lost hope when he mentioned Mughals during these time period whereas they were also maratha puppet back in delhi.
I doubt that Napoleon would come to power since he was Corsican and the main reason Corsica was acquired by France was due to their loss in the Seven Years War.
“The only remnant of France’s control are New Orleans, Quebec and names of places that are definitely not French” Les Franco-Ontariens: Est-ce qu’on est une blague pour vous?
The thing is, it's not just that the Natives and the French colonists would be stronger, the Thirteen Colonies would be much weaker. In 1770 in the real world, they had a population of 2 million. In 1830 it was nearly 13 million. That growth did not come from birth rate but from immigration and without the expansion to the west, immigration in the Thirteen colonies would be considerably slower. In fact, a lot of those immigrants would probably go to New France instead even if they don't speak french. After all, a lot of immigrants in the US did not speak english at first either. And that's without considering the damage Napoleon would do. So between stronger natives and french colonists on top of a weaker US, I don't think they expand west at all. They certainly would try to at some point. But they would fail, especially as their enemies take advantage of the Civil War. Also, no war of 1812 probably means Andrew Jackson isn't elected so Florida will remain in the hands of the natives for a while and military expansion is not an especially appealing prospect for the US without Jackson.
Cody, please keep this format the same unless you get bored. It’s timeless. You have found a masterpiece. (Also maybe a gaming channel??? Idk I just saw people like CPG grey do it)
The fact Napoleon was mentioned made me really happy, considering I live 5 miles away from town! Never expected to be mentioned in an Alternate History Hub video, LOL.
I think the ideal point of Divergence would be the death of Elizabeth Tsarina and Empress Russia. When she died, her nephew became Peter III (who was Frederick the Great biggest fanboy). Russia immediately went from attacking the prussians to supporting them known as the miracle of the House of Brandenburg. If Elizabeth lived a few more months, the prussians would have been crushed in the French and Austrian victory with Frederick as a foolish upstart King.
This really is one of Cody's best speculations yet. Just enough detail given to each piece without necessarily letting the detail bog it down. Just enough detail given to make you really understand the impact of each consequence of the scenario. It's really nice to see such a well rounded and fascinating alternate history theory. I'd love to see a globalist version of this speculation. I would be highly interested in how this effects French and German relations in particular as German immigration into the new land was of the large drivers of western expansion in our current timeline.
Proposition what would have happened if Rome Survived and get all the colonies of The europeans : Americas, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, ecc.
I think you're underestimating the overwhelming population of native americans who lived there and the effects of the unrestricted biological war that the british colonist used against them...
@@Abhishek-sr2pu Have you seen the language former French Colonies in Africa speak? They speak French. A consequence of British rule in India is the fact that we speak English. It is one of the main languages spoken in the Central Government. By Francofone India I don't mean everyone saying, "Bonjour" to each other. I mean that French would be one of our main languages and our government model and laws would be based off the French system. European Allies didn't speak French yes. But what makes you think that France wouldn't try to increase its colonial holdings the way the British did if they won the Carnatic Wars/Seven Years War?
A little part of me would hope that in this Alternate timeline some of the native tribes who sided with the French, embolden by their victory and the influence of their allies, would start to form and organize their own proper nation state or something. An unrealistic dream, but a pleasant one nonetheless.
This a great what-if video Cody, but I'm still confused about how does New France will still fall along with Napoleon being in power even though France won the Seven Years Wars. I have great ideas for what if videos that is what if African Empires from Africa from the Old World before the colonial era had discovered the New World? What if the Native Americans had discovered the Old World by accident? What if Oda Nobunaga had survived his assassination attempt? What if Asia had colonized America first before the Europeans did? These are my ideas for what-if videos and this a great what-if video Cody, keep up the good work!!
Hey Cody! I think I have a pretty cool scenario for you to dive into. That is: What if Benito Mussolini never rose to power in Italy. I think that this would have some pretty severe side effects, since fascism only became popular after he imposed it on Italy. Thanks!
What I feel like you missed to elaborate on the quite possible Europization of the native tribes and the fact that they weren't as easy to wipe out. In fact a major native population remains and quite possibly adapts European technology and theory of state, declaring and independent native nation (quite possibly helped with weapons from France). If so they might or might not join the US as a predominantly native state greatly influencing the new state's identity probably leading to an even more isolationist state than ever.
Hey cool video, but small detail, at 7:10 you show "La Liberté Guidant le Peuple" to talk about the 1789 revolution. But this painting is actually about the 1830 revolution.
Alternate alternate history: New France keeps French at least until Napoleon. With Napoleon in power, as in our timeline, Spain becomes an ally of Napoleon, but in this case the Spanish ally is so important in the defense of New France from the British (and they manage so good) that Napoleon decides not to betray the Spanish royal family. So, there is no Peninsular War, except for Portugal, which is conquered. Without that war, the continous "bleeding" of the French army doesn't happen... And Napoleon wins. A new French-dominated Europe emerges, while the Americas continue more or less the same: Spanish, French and English, without independences... except maybe the one of Brazil, technically independent, formally the only part of Portugal that remains independent.
The most widely accepted anthem of Vichy France was "Maréchal, nous voilà". Keeping the Marseillaise wasn't a very good idea because it could be used as a battle rally against the nazis
It’s possible a similar document to the Royal Proclamation of 1776 could have been passed, leading to the indigenous people being heavily exploited rather than outright conquered, like what Canada did in our timeline
Back to alternate history stuff. This is focusing on just the North American portion of the Seven Years War, or 'French and Indian War' as it was to the British colonists. I will come back on this scenario eventually. If you like the plush, you can get it here for a limited time. bit.ly/3gNYMHa
Hi
Do what-if the US joined the central powers in WW1.
cute plushie
@@kodystennett5414 look at “what if the confederacy gained independence”
Where u from kody?
“The flag of France remained flying over Montreal”
*shows a picture of Quebec City*
Yup and also montreal wasn’t that much influencial as Quebec at the time.
Oooooow Quebec Citizens will be pissed
@@allthe1 Quebec or Montreal citizens?
@@Animator-J-u6d i think he meant province of Quebec, not Quebec City.
@@Animator-J-u6d I guess there's no specific name for folks from Quebec City. Because Québécois/Quebecker relates to people fron Quebec in general. Even in french we don't say Québécois, it's just too confusing.
0:54 "before ww2 there was ww1"
Absolutely brilliant historical analysis
But one doesn't go without the other. If you don't have the first one, the second one doesn't happen. But if you have the second one, then you surely have the first one.
Reminds me of Rogal Dorn out of TPP: "Once upon a time, I was ME"
Forgot about the Franco-Prussian war which made France very angery over a tiny piece of land, triggering them to get into a millions of deaths war because of a tiny country.
Which then caused WW2 because they decided hey, let's make Germany have horrible border gore (East Prussia) like it's a Paradox game to get back at them, and seize all their colonies.
@@noodled6145 true enough. Classical human stupidity.
He truly is the based god of these modern times.
British: “Guys we are running out of money, we gotta end the war”
French: “Jokes on you. Government can’t say we are running out of money, if we already ran out of money years ago!”
Ease off the pedal there Keynes.
your likes are 666.
First National Bank of France is a baguette and single bottle of wine.
cue the OhHHhHHHHhH NoOOOoOOooO
Astronaut: "It's all Quebec?"
*french astronaut holding gun behind them* "Ça l'a toujours été."
Ça l'a*
@@pierren___ sorry, I don't speak French, I used Google translate. I'll fix it
@@Sam-eq6qi Thanks haha
Vive le frenchais!
It’ll all end up being so, crap even French will be the more important and spoken than Spainish in about 20 years haha
Imagine being a Southern Rebel hiding in a forest in North Carolina hearing The British Grenadiers song getting closer and louder.
"guess I'll die"
Pretty sure that happened sometime during the Revolutionary War as the Southern Campaign is a massive slogfest between the British, the Loyalists, and the Patriots...
We ambushed them as they walked by. British Troops said that North Carolina was the most inhospitable place they had ever been deployed
@Donny J.S Venatus yep
Union Dixie to the tune of British Grenadiers
This reminds me of that line “England and France are fighting over the entire world, specifically Ohio”
Ohio is much more important than you think.
Then it escalates into a seven year discussion, giving Prussia a chance to show Austria who's boss
"Wait, it's all Ohio?"
>raises pistol
"Always has been"
Guess who won: France
Guess who's broke: Also France.
@@baku_m_salti3128 the sultan of Oman lives in Zanzibar now
That’s just where he lives
5:25 Fear To Survive
6:52 French Revolution would still happen
7:44 New France Matters
9:37 1820s Independence of Peace
11:45 Global Civil War
12:49 France big block in Manifest Destiny
Oh, it's that guy who watches... Mangs, and... Neoreactionary content? Weird.
What is the song near the end?
yooooo it's timestamp guy
Classic
@@YitzharVered did you seriously go through this guy’s channel bro?
@@YitzharVered whoa he is based
I'm just glad the 7-years war is finally getting popular recognition regarding its sheer scale...
It's known as world war zero for a reason
@@scottm8292 So then what are the Napoleonic Wars?
@@firethylacine1976 I guess world war 0.5?
@@firethylacine1976 They were only on europe except for egypt. I guess so was ww1 but the americans joined in, mexico was getting a telegram, in numerous places they tried taking german territories, etc.
@@dakota6050 I disagree. Just like the 7-Years War, the coalition Wars were fought in the European colonies. The wars allowed Britain to become an unopposed global power, as they took Ceylon, Malacca and South Africa from the Dutch, as well as Mauritius, Seychelles, Dominica and Saint Lucia from France, while Spain and Portugal would end up expelled from continental Americas in the following decade.
As a British man myself, I can say for sure that the plush is 100% historically accurate.
..lets not pretend, fellow british person, this plushie is accurate even now.
Oi China you uncouth bloke
I have a loisence to sell that opium in yoiur port
Now have a puff on the bifta and leave my trade in peace ight.
We don’t want no trouble bruv, just free trade so I can escape Birmingham lad.
@@lets_all_love_lain viva la france Plush!
why the French keep surrendering
@@jasonsantos3037 french does not surrender french is awesome!
Something which expands the "What if" even more, is the idea that maybe the french revolution could have pushed nobleblooded, military men into exile. But instead of other european powers they retreat to french america. Their expertise in the new world, and more importantly at disposal to the natives is an interesting factor to consider.
Damn, that's interesting to think about!
Yeah i really wish more countries pulled a Portugal and decided "hey since things are going to shit here in Europe, lets just move to the americas" it worked really well here for Brazil so i think it would be interesting to see the results if France and Spain did the same, even Russia had the potential to have done it too if they didn't sold Alaska
Like french slavers from Haïti have been to Southern America and continued what they were good at...
I live in central Louisiana and we have an entire dialect of “Cajun” French that is still commonly spoken here We also trace our ancestry back to France.
Same.
In this alternate timeline I suspect Louisiana would be something similar to Quebec as in predominantly French speaking and Louisiana would be the US version of french canada
I agree, the British exiled many out of Acadia In Canada who ended up here in French Louisiana and became a big part of the culture.
@@GabrielJ.Fontenot one thing I wonder with you being descended from them if reason Louisiana didnt end up like Quebec today is because of how Louisiana went to Spanish rule and the administration changed how things worked
Another possibility with this alternate timeline is that Detroit today would have more french connections and maybe have there version of Mardi Gras which Detroit got smaller since fur trade in great lakes collapsed after the war but in this timeline the fur trade wouldn't collapse
Louisiana would have been a French Colony til now if France had won the Seven Years War
1:37 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: *Am I a joke to you?*
Yes.
What about French Guiana in South America as well.
@@speedracer1004 Yeah as well as everything else they still have but Cody was specifically referring to "remaining French influence in Canada" (and America technically as he mentioned Ohio)
@@idek6585 And New Orleans
Those islands were completely depopulated by the Brits during the late 18th century (twice, IIRC). The current French speaking population there are descendents of settlers from post-revolutionary France and do not have any historical ties to New France. Sure, France owned the islands on paper but they were just empty rocks for a while.
They do have a modest amount of shared culture with the rest of Canada, due to mass media, travel and education (while most residents get higher education in France, some opt to go to Quebec and New Brunswick). They're viewed as French by French Canadians and they view themselves as such, albeit with a greater affinity with Canada and North America.
Imagine being a confederate solider, looking up from behind your barricade, and seeing hundreds of british soldiers, flying the union jack, side by side with the Northern solders, all coming to wipe you out
Along with a few Canadians
@@deelightfullp And maybe some british Indians
"Welp, guess I'll die." - some Confederate boi
"Fix bayonets and give em hell. Don't fire till you see the whites of there eyes. Either we win or we die. Stand firm men and God be with you all"
What if Mexico/Spain fought the Union in the civil war…
1:50 "Napoleon Ohio"
Man that cracked me up real good
Ohio doesn’t exist
Does Ohio have two 'O's?
“The flag of France remained flying over Montreal”
*shows Quebec City and a hotel that was built over 120 years AFTER the French and Indian War*
ah I love the smell of baguettes in the morning
We meet again
Rocket Man! How's things in Best Korea? Also how's your sister? She single? lol
i love the smell of nuclear bombs in the morning
@@raptorfromthe6ix833 Hmmm ya know if you can actually "smell" the radiation it means you're dead right? lol
When Cody uploads a video about the British and French during AICE Exam week in America: *BRITISH GRENADIERS INTESIFIES*
OH NOOOOOO!!! Most people agree that my vids are the worst on TH-cam. I agree to disagree. Please agree to disagree with the haters, dear pow
*Layered* joke.
AICE? Care to elaborate?
@@vibingonvibes8630 A Cambridge-made test for us Floridians as an alternative to AP.
There's a list of places named after Queen Elizabeth...*You can help by expanding it*
You should do a video about the scenario of Québec becoming independent in the 1980 or the 1995 referendum. The relations between Québec, Canada, France and the United States should be pretty interesting to analyze.
or in 1839 with the Patriot Rebellion
The 1995 one would be most likely, as even calling it 51-49 in favour of staying is...generous.
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
In 1969 also ?
Its quite likely to happen someday
"The flag of France remained flying over Montreal" *shows picture of Quebec* 0:28 lol
Just pulling your leg, good vid m8
And not just any picture of Quebec City, of course it's that hotel that was built over a century after New France fell by an Anglo railroad company lol. But yeah minor nitpick.
@@PickledTripod its called le chateau frontenac
Bro I was literally just wondering this and then Cody posts a video about it. Let's go
My god this is the quickest you’ve ever uploaded consecutively
he's probably getting better at refining his ideas, video quality, and research. his original oldest videos are horrific
Tecumseh during this timeline would be wild as he would establish prophetstown and begin expanding everywhere the French couldn't reach him. I think the Natives would realistically stand a chance against the Anglos had this occured
The French generally had fairly good relations with most indigenous populations except the Iroquois Confederacy (which was a longtime British ally). Native trade networks and populations were actively part of French economic activity in New France. Intermarriage was also more common between French colonials and indigenous peoples, especially among the French traders who actively interacted with the natives. I could easily see the French encouraging the formation of an allied and organized indigenous nation as a counterbalance to the British colonists. Odds are the French would view it as a vassal state or protectorate but lack the inclination or manpower to prevent it gaining autonomy. So long as the Brits remain as a common enemy and the French don't plan to encourage mass migration, good relations would just make economic sense to them. Exactly how this major change in circumstances plays out for Tecumseh's life story is anyone's guess. Wild indeed!
@@paranoidrodent you know that is honestly a good point as well. I feel like in order for France to keep New France, Napoleon would have to win Trafalgar and Nelson would still have to be killed at that battle. That way naval Hedgemony wouldn't be an issue anymore.
@@bcvetkov8534 If the French Ancien Régime avoided the cost of the American Revolution and gained extra colonial wealth from India (assuming that they won the Seven Years' War as decisively as the British did in our timeline), the financial crises that triggered the French Revolution probably get pushed back at least a few decades. The timing of Napoleon's rise gets disrupted and all sorts of butterfly effects occur. Does he fade into obscurity, become a revolutionary in Corsica, or perhaps end up leading a coup that replaces Louis XVI directly (skipping the revolution as we know it)? He lacked the social status to match his ambition and talent in the old system but it is hard to imagine he doesn't somehow do something. Heck, just imagine if he spearheaded Corsican independence and then expanded into Italy, triggering Italian unification decades ahead of our timeline. It gives his Roman inspired aesthetic a whole new level of authenticity. Mussolini didn't have the chops to revive the Roman Empire, but Napoleon focused on Italy rather than France? Hmm.
The French entreated the Indians tribes much much better then the English Crown. Many French Voyagers intetmarried with American Indian women.
Speaking as an eighteenth-century specialist, I think you did a great job incorporating the interlocking nuances of the period to produce a compelling alternate timeline. Very nicely done!
I've literally been rewatching old AltHistHub videos and reading up on French history, especially Post-Revolution/Napoleonic Era France, for the past couple days. What amazing timing.
As a british person, I had NO IDEA what you meant by "french and indian war"
Well it’s called the French and Indian war in America because it had the French and Indians. Besides French and Indian war is a cooler name.
@Colk Nous aussi au Keb
In Britain it's called "The Seven Years War" which is incredibly unoriginal. Then again, we could have called it "fighting the French mark XXIII" so I guess it's not too bad. Still, there's a lot of serious debate as to whether it should be considered the real First World War. Lots of significant battles happening all across the world, and even defining the fate of those parts of the world for decades/generations to come.
French and Indian War started 2 years before the Prussians crossed into Silesia which is considered the start of the Seven years war
@@inigobantok1579 Yes, but sometimes pre-existing smaller wars get subsumed into larger wars when looking back in hindsight. And it's the result of the later starting larger war that defines the result of the earlier starting smaller one. e.g. the war between Japan and China began in 1937 (or possibly 1933). But it was resolved by the US defeat of Japan in WWII. So it's now considered a single theatre of WWII that just happened to start early. History can be weird like that sometimes, but it does make sense when considering the bigger picture.
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Timezones is a thing
@@helmutschmidt50 it's always after noon if you think about it
@@gg1k oh lol
@@gg1k I was gonna say that but it felt dumb so I didn't.
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the Indians would have gotten time, experience fighting Muricans & skills learned from the Napoleonic army.
I really like how the alternate histories you do are so much more realistic than others you look at the facts of the situation and practical solutions instead of something like “the colonists all move to Australia” or “we have America today but they’re French”
I've been dreaming of this video from the day I subbed years ago during your roman empire series
Thank you
Obviously we'd all be speaking French and Indian.
what even is Indian language?
ah yes, Indian
@@TheBlueWind3941 Lots of stuff, maybe too much to get into right now, and I'm not even an expert, just a dabbler.
@@TheBlueWind3941if your talking about india the country it's hindi if your talking about the native american it's different languages like iroquois, shoshone, cherokee, navajo, yupik inuit.
सब ठीक है
This is a really really interesting alternate timeline. I feel like a lot could be done with this
Nice to see a new AlternateHistoryHub video.
1:38 France still controls two very much inhabited islands off the coast of Canada meaning New France technically still exists
*HON HON INTENSIFIES* 🇨🇵
You need to explore this world more. It is my bread and butter. Alternate American history that isn’t “what if the nazis one world war 2” is my bread and butter
Alternate early American history is my bread and butter. North America is just a piece of nicely toasted toast.
Non-WW2 involved alternate history is never discussed enough.
Might I recommend Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg?
@@CABRALFAN27 Oh yeah, thats a good one.
Yoooooooo I heard you were making a new vid but who knew it would be such a good prompt
As somebody who lives in Western PA where this war kinda began/was fought I can summarize this scenario in a few words; "We'd be speaking French."
So the 7 years war could be considered WW1, which would mean we're all trying to avoid WW4
World War 5 rather. Napoleonic Wars were also technically a world war
Don’t know, does the Mongol invasion of Europe count as a world war? Should we call that WW0?
@@BrokenEyes00 so are we at like ww10???
@@BrokenEyes00 no, because how did that affect the Americas?
@@ivanfelipebaezperez5318 i guess he means for the known world at the time
You're my favorite creater, just so you know. Your videos are always amazingly entertaining and humorous, plus, your animations give it that extra delightful touch. I hope you you get the reward you rightfully deserve for the work you put into them. Thanks a ton, Cody.
The 18th century is by far my favorite part of history
Then you should check out TURN:Washington’s Spies. One of the best shows ever.. made me laugh and cry and above all, followed Washington while he was courting the French, running a sophisticated spy network, and dealing with threats from outside as well as inside. I even got my parents to watch it and they are 60 and not usually into shows like that and they both loved it.
I always prefered the beginning of the common era as the best age for the whole world..... altho the 18th century has the best fashion for europe
Is it because of all the of colonization that the white people(probably your ancestors) were doing
@@hamborger8546 keep using that same recycled argument bud. It is getting pretty old. Only people with colonial mindset think like that.
@@saulteauxfirstnationsman5180 wtf is wrong with u
I was about to sip the tea, when the plushie asked me for the loiscence.
*Shit gotta run*
perfect timing I am in history class right now
Wait... if France never lost the land in Murica. Wouldn't they be able to ease problems that led up to the French Revolution by shipping people off to Murica?
That's a very interesting scenario actually.
I like that idea! I don't have an answer, but maybe if more people are this comment we can get an answer
New France then: Oui oui look at how developed we are, hon hon hon we are the best
New France now: *D E T R O I T*
But jokes aside, there's actually another remnant of New France in North America. A place that's STILL under French rule to this day...the tiny islands and overseas collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon off the coast of Newfoundland. Britain granted fishing rights to France along the Newfoundland coast and allowed them to keep Saint Pierre and Miquelon under the Treaty of Paris. Their unofficial flag is pretty cool
I can see France annexing British held Rupert’s land, mostly because it was even less populated than French America, and because Rupert’s land was already a fur trading colony, so it’d fit right in with the rest of French North America.
What if Mexico won the Mexican American war
That’s a good one
Good idea.
They used Dark Magic. BOOM!!
They’d get their territories back and there’d be alot of Mexicans/spanish speakers in that region.... *oh wait*
@@alexjv1370 ehh, if u look at the states which have alot of Mexicans, it's like around 30% or lower depending on the state and even the Mexicans are speaking English
Me being native the part when wr where able to rise up that brought a grin to my face
Hope he would do same thing like that when he covered the indian part or at least acknowledge political entity of india at that time but I lost hope when he mentioned Mughals during these time period whereas they were also maratha puppet back in delhi.
Ain't nothing like relaxing while watching a goog old video from Cody.
This is a really interesting scenario, it’d be great to see more. Well done on another solid video.
I doubt that Napoleon would come to power since he was Corsican and the main reason Corsica was acquired by France was due to their loss in the Seven Years War.
You have no idea how many years I’ve waited for this......
“The only remnant of France’s control are New Orleans, Quebec and names of places that are definitely not French”
Les Franco-Ontariens: Est-ce qu’on est une blague pour vous?
Faut dire que au Québec on reçois plus l'attention et que trop souvent ont oubli que il y a des communautées francophone partout au pays.
Assassins Creed Rogue I think did a good job showing off the French and Indian War which is pretty slept on
Easily one of my favourite wars. Early modern era and colonial history is the best.
Such a shame that when Shay Patrick Cormac becomes a Templar, the Redcoats are still prone to attacking him on the slightest impulse.
@@RainingMetal I thought that was pretty weird how he has a thick Irish accent but essentially fights for the British lol
The thing is, it's not just that the Natives and the French colonists would be stronger, the Thirteen Colonies would be much weaker. In 1770 in the real world, they had a population of 2 million. In 1830 it was nearly 13 million. That growth did not come from birth rate but from immigration and without the expansion to the west, immigration in the Thirteen colonies would be considerably slower. In fact, a lot of those immigrants would probably go to New France instead even if they don't speak french. After all, a lot of immigrants in the US did not speak english at first either. And that's without considering the damage Napoleon would do. So between stronger natives and french colonists on top of a weaker US, I don't think they expand west at all. They certainly would try to at some point. But they would fail, especially as their enemies take advantage of the Civil War.
Also, no war of 1812 probably means Andrew Jackson isn't elected so Florida will remain in the hands of the natives for a while and military expansion is not an especially appealing prospect for the US without Jackson.
Cody, please keep this format the same unless you get bored. It’s timeless. You have found a masterpiece. (Also maybe a gaming channel??? Idk I just saw people like CPG grey do it)
Welcome back ladies and gents
Whos not up for Another round of Commenting before watching.
Thank you Cody! This was absolutely fantastic brother! Highlight of my week
Welcome lady's and gentlemen the notification brought us here
dear cody,
Thank you for uploading
fellow subscriber
That intro bit should have been:
"Oi m8, you have taxes for that tea?"
4:20 those colonists were monsters they forced out so many peapole from their homes all because of greed
No sh** sherlock
France was also a monster, and that’s not cool but bad.
Your channel was how I first learned of Prince William's death.
Prince William?? What?!
Philip*
The fact Napoleon was mentioned made me really happy, considering I live 5 miles away from town! Never expected to be mentioned in an Alternate History Hub video, LOL.
Knowing Napoleon, he could make an American client state which would create much more messy timeline.
I think the ideal point of Divergence would be the death of Elizabeth Tsarina and Empress Russia. When she died, her nephew became Peter III (who was Frederick the Great biggest fanboy). Russia immediately went from attacking the prussians to supporting them known as the miracle of the House of Brandenburg. If Elizabeth lived a few more months, the prussians would have been crushed in the French and Austrian victory with Frederick as a foolish upstart King.
"The flag of France remain flying over Montreal" (shows Quebec City's Chateau Frontenac)
Triggered
This really is one of Cody's best speculations yet. Just enough detail given to each piece without necessarily letting the detail bog it down. Just enough detail given to make you really understand the impact of each consequence of the scenario. It's really nice to see such a well rounded and fascinating alternate history theory. I'd love to see a globalist version of this speculation. I would be highly interested in how this effects French and German relations in particular as German immigration into the new land was of the large drivers of western expansion in our current timeline.
Last time I was this early Mussolini remade the Roman Empire
_Attempted_ to remake the Roman Empire
Proposition what would have happened if Rome Survived and get all the colonies of The europeans : Americas, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, ecc.
@@Boretheory that's literally saying "what if Rome controlled the whole world".
I love a classic. Great video!
France probably could have won. I consider the European theater more of a stalemate than a French Alliance defeat
This was one of the most interesting and especially best made ones yet, IMO
I think you're underestimating the overwhelming population of native americans who lived there and the effects of the unrestricted biological war that the british colonist used against them...
Never stop what you do. And keep the jokes coming, I swear they get me every time.
Never clicked on a video faster
So hey. Id love to see this explores in more detail. The other video you hinted at sounds great, so like prioritize that project is my vote.
Considering the fact that in India the Seven Years War is known as the 'Carnatic Wars', I feel uncomfortable with a Francofone India... 👀👀👀
French speaking Ghandi is probably the most cursed thing, as a french, that i ever imagined
@@emarley05 Indeed.
I think your knowledge of indian history is not great then. Like did french allies in Europe spoke french? So why would we will speak French?
@@emarley05 and that would be impossible sadly.
@@Abhishek-sr2pu Have you seen the language former French Colonies in Africa speak? They speak French. A consequence of British rule in India is the fact that we speak English. It is one of the main languages spoken in the Central Government. By Francofone India I don't mean everyone saying, "Bonjour" to each other. I mean that French would be one of our main languages and our government model and laws would be based off the French system. European Allies didn't speak French yes. But what makes you think that France wouldn't try to increase its colonial holdings the way the British did if they won the Carnatic Wars/Seven Years War?
Yessssssssss one of my favorite you tubers made a new video 👍
As a Canadian I'd be fine with this
Love this! Please do more alternate history about France winning the seven years war!
I was just talking about why it took you so dam long to make a video and then a got a notification
Fucking dope. Would love a sequel. One of your best vids in awhile.
A little part of me would hope that in this Alternate timeline some of the native tribes who sided with the French, embolden by their victory and the influence of their allies, would start to form and organize their own proper nation state or something. An unrealistic dream, but a pleasant one nonetheless.
This a great what-if video Cody, but I'm still confused about how does New France will still fall along with Napoleon being in power even though France won the Seven Years Wars. I have great ideas for what if videos that is what if African Empires from Africa from the Old World before the colonial era had discovered the New World?
What if the Native Americans had discovered the Old World by accident?
What if Oda Nobunaga had survived his assassination attempt?
What if Asia had colonized America first before the Europeans did?
These are my ideas for what-if videos and this a great what-if video Cody, keep up the good work!!
When Victoria III comes out we need to see a what if mod for this situation
Is that possible today though with the way censorship and self censorship is today
@@GAndreC well, Paradox released HoI IV not too long ago, and in it you can literally play as Nazi Germany so....
@@quentintin1 HOI4 came out in 2016. You can also play in WW2 German tanks in WoT, War Thunder etc.
Will Vicky 3 even come out tho???
@پیر الکساندر خان .It could work for Vicky III in the same way Kaiserreich does for HOI4
Nice video!
Hey Cody! I think I have a pretty cool scenario for you to dive into. That is: What if Benito Mussolini never rose to power in Italy. I think that this would have some pretty severe side effects, since fascism only became popular after he imposed it on Italy. Thanks!
Definitely do a part 2
What I feel like you missed to elaborate on the quite possible Europization of the native tribes and the fact that they weren't as easy to wipe out. In fact a major native population remains and quite possibly adapts European technology and theory of state, declaring and independent native nation (quite possibly helped with weapons from France). If so they might or might not join the US as a predominantly native state greatly influencing the new state's identity probably leading to an even more isolationist state than ever.
Grew up near Pittsburgh so a big 7 years war fan. thanks for the video
Last time I was this early my parents still loved each other
Oof RIP
No one can be that early
@@LedosKell The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.
You killed your parents sheev
That’s tuff
Hey cool video, but small detail, at 7:10 you show "La Liberté Guidant le Peuple" to talk about the 1789 revolution. But this painting is actually about the 1830 revolution.
Charles de Gaulle is crying in his grave rn.
why too? The French won here
@@Game_Hero Crying of joice
Good Video in excited for the Next one 👌
I gotta say this channel is awesome but it should bring back the fan countries
Fun thing about that....#5 is about to begin!
@@izzy10valentin what? I looked around I found nothing about it
@@kg7518 I have insider scoop on it. Its coming soon
Yes
I asked for this yesssss thank you
"America got it's freedom thanks to France"
Spain, Bernardo de Gálvez and their Pensacola boys: "Acaso somos una burla para usted?"
Sad ain’t it how people forget everyone else’s contributions.
Alternate alternate history:
New France keeps French at least until Napoleon. With Napoleon in power, as in our timeline, Spain becomes an ally of Napoleon, but in this case the Spanish ally is so important in the defense of New France from the British (and they manage so good) that Napoleon decides not to betray the Spanish royal family. So, there is no Peninsular War, except for Portugal, which is conquered. Without that war, the continous "bleeding" of the French army doesn't happen... And Napoleon wins. A new French-dominated Europe emerges, while the Americas continue more or less the same: Spanish, French and English, without independences... except maybe the one of Brazil, technically independent, formally the only part of Portugal that remains independent.
7:26 La Marseillaise plays in background
You mean ‘La Marseillaise’ and it wasn’t solely the anthem of Vichy France. It has been the anthem of most French Republics.
@@ronin3381 sorry, my bad for my ignorance
The most widely accepted anthem of Vichy France was "Maréchal, nous voilà". Keeping the Marseillaise wasn't a very good idea because it could be used as a battle rally against the nazis
It’s possible a similar document to the Royal Proclamation of 1776 could have been passed, leading to the indigenous people being heavily exploited rather than outright conquered, like what Canada did in our timeline