NICYS Firearms Instruction that's a shame I bought my colt carbine an M3 Benelli super 90 also a Glock 17 in lower Manhattan. Is John jovinos still around.
I mean my security system stops threats. That phone call really scares away the bad guy. They see that sloman shield and piss their pants. Semi auto shotgun is my choice. So much flying in their direction they don't have time to turn and assess what's happening. And in litigation I emptied so fast (~ 2s) that they never got that chance to run away. From there it's sidearm if they have any fight left in them while I wait for the police. If 6 loud shots doesn't scare anyone else looking to do harm away, I don't know what would. Over penetration is not even a factor. Most home defense situations are at night and if your like me you sleep upstairs, which means you're likely firing down wards. If they are on the same floor it's parallel and projectiles would be tumbling after hitting anything then traveling extended distances. The test you never see is ballistic gel getting hit, then 5ft away hitting drywall, then 2 inches drywall, then 10 ft away another piece of drywall. Simulating actual rooms in houses. Instead you see people stack drywall close and go, "see it penetrated 8 layers.". That's not how it works, gravity, inertia , friction and trajectory are all forces that play a role in real life. Something that should be considered... On the ar15, 30 rounds will only get you in trouble in court. I work in legal for a us top 10 insurance company. As soon as their back turns and are scared you need to stop firing, very easy to get carried away with 30 rounds. If the zombies come though, my ar15 will be in my safe waiting.
My go to solution is to grab my antique dueling pistols, if the intruder can beat me in an old fashioned duel he deserves my possessions since he is the superior man.
Maybe the democrats should think of this. Be a good way to handle the unfair fight mentality. Only catch is you never said both were loaded nor would need to grantee they were.
Thanks for this. I’m a single mom who stopped in a firearms store to pose this exact question and they had the same answer you had. My dad was shocked and had the misconception that I had before talking to the firearms representative me that that it would blow through my wall into a neighbors house (I live in a vinyl village). I’m doing research before making a decision and am leaning toward the AR. I am also signed up for a 4 hour home defense course next month.
I prefer my Saiga 12, just kinda worried how the court would view my case after unloading 13 rounds of 00 buckshot into the intruder. I have an AK I could use but that might be worse...
michael swanson I used to stay in Nc, bought my first rifle there. Now I stay in Georgia, same gun laws. They are loose gun laws and considered “slave states” chill guy
Exactly I think you need to show the world just how much dimensia you have. What better way then to shoot your double barrel 12 gague dry up in the air.
Thank you for this video. Recent Minneapolis riots and first hand account from son living there had me revisit this issue for variety of reasons. You seem to be the only channel on TH-cam that can successfully blend your military kinetic experience (practical credibility) with civilian educational techniques. Thank you again, you helped my family in developing self defense protection capability.
While I cannot dispute the logic here, I settled on a Glock 23, with a tactical light/green laser, and a spare mag attached to the first via lanyard, rather than using an AR. I made this choice for the following reasons: 1. Smaller and easier to handle in my small home, with narrow doors, and hallway. 2. Easier storage/accessibility. I decided that moving a long gun in/out of the safe each time I leave/enter the house would be cumbersome, and would result in my either not storing it properly when I left, or failing to pull it out of the safe when getting home. Where as the smaller pistol safe is much more accessible, and I just swap mags and carry it out of the house. Also, the long gun is more difficult to carry/store near me as I walk about the house. The above challenges made me conclude that I simply would not have the long gun within reach should I ever need it, and would be far more likely to actually have the pistol ready and available. And when you get down to it, the best gun, is the one that you actually have when you need it.
That depends if you're actually trying to clear the house for whatever reason. Call the police -- hold up in a safe room with the gun pointed at the door, and stay on the phone.
@@-John-Doe- Fuck that. I am not calling the police to come save me, every time there is a noise that needs investigating in my home. Oh gee, it was just the dog knocking something over, but don't worry, we shot him for you.
Lights play a huge factor in this. I've had to clear my house 3 times in life so far, thankfully nothing was ever threatening.. That said, a pistol with a light is my choice over my AR or 12g because opening doors, turning corners and such is much easier with a handgun close to the body than any long gun with the end of the barrel extended from the torso. I'm also trained with the 3, still handgun wins every time for me. The home makes a difference as well of what to choose in the bump of the night scenario. If I'm clearing a house, handgun. If I'm holding my ground with my family, AR all day. Just my .2 not that y'all even care but it's what I am more confident with.
Wife and I have a hand gun concealed somewhere in every single room. Including shotguns and AR-15s.. Total of about 20 firearms in our house... Of course there is 5 bedrooms, three bathrooms and Two floors... SO it only makes sense to have a fair number of home defense firearms hidden in different locations. You never know when wild animal or crazy asshole will invade your home. You might not be in a certain room when it happens, so best to have options.
You better hope the invader doesn't find any of your 20 firearms. It would most certainly suck to find your own gun pointed at you. Especially if the invader came in unarmed.
Ylisami ... Good luck finding, let alone getting too them. You need to know how to open and what to do to open the containers. OH and good luck getting in... I installed Polycarbonate windows and entrance ways are reinforced from kick ins. It would take a vehicle mounted battering ram to quickly get through the doors, and windows. We also live in a gated community that is patrolled regularly by security guards. There is also a surveillance system tied to an off site security response center that operates 24/7. SO thanks for the concern, but I am pretty sure I have my avenues of weakness covered.
Guess you don’t have kids... for those of us that do, that setup would be negligent. I hear you tho, I have 2 kids (11 and 13), both proficient with firearms, but i do have weapons hidden in a few places, but nowhere my kids know about, can reach, or will find. We all need to think responsibly where you place a firearm, and who also might have access.
@@ericpinnar... I personally have been shooting firearms since I was able to hold one. At 2 or 3 I learned to use a high powered Air rifle to prevent squirrels and rabbits and other vermin from distryoing the crops. Once I was able to hold the weight I was shooting small caliber gunpowder rifles. So as far back as I can remember I have been around firearms... I knew as a child not to play with them, and not to point them at anything you didn't intend to kill. So no with proper training it is NOT nelegent to have firearms in the house... Hell as a child the long rifles hung on the walls in plain sight. Handguns were put up by only so a stranger did not know where they were. I knew and had the training which included the respect for the dangers of such firearms. My children have the same training and discipline as I did as a child.
I am watching this a year after taking my wife to the range with a Glock 19 and a 10.5 inch AR. She was better able to shoot the AR quickly and accurately the very first time than the 19.
Thanks, just started getting my wife to the range and shooting pistol. She has also mentioned eventually getting a shotgun. We are thinking a 20 gauge because of her size, getting a home defense style of course. Working on getting her accustomed and trained.
The 2-3 times I legit thought someone was in my house, I always grabbed the pistol. I just don’t like swinging a long barrel around for someone to grab.
Because when you absolutely positively need to destroy (what's left of) the guy shooting at you, your hearing, your TV, the walls, the neighbors cat and the car about three blocks down? Accept no substitutes. 20mm is a wussy caliber anyways. Real men use a GAU-8 on a tripod. Overpenetration? Stopping Power? 11 is a generous, conservative estimate.
As an older female who has shot different firearms all her life I like all 3 but reserve certain ones for certain situations. If awakened during the night I will grab the shotgun hanging on the bedside...bang...rack rack bang...rack rack bang! For carry my M&P Shield EZ...EZ because I have a little arthritis in my hands and can operate this pistol smoothly. My AR is what I would grab if I was conscious and aware of an intruder and my first lines of home defense had failed which are 1. A great Pyrenees dog that sounds the warning of anyone approaching within 1/4 mile. 2. Door locks. 3. Bull mastiff #1 4. Bull mastiff #2 5. Already loaded and waiting with previously mentioned firearm pointed at the only point of access.
my mother has joint issues with her wrists, so I'd like to know, as I am someone who is still somewhat new to the world of firearms, what you'd recommend instead of a handgun where my mom has trouble racking the slide. I was thinking of rifle over shotgun because of weight, and it may be easier to chamber a cartridge with every new mag she'd put in.
You making that machine gun noise with your mouth reminded me of something that hasn't crossed my mind for 30 years. I was so jealous of a friend of mine when I was a boy because he could make the coolest machine gun noise when we played army, I practiced but never got any better that you just did.
.223 at mach 3 is worse for your ears than .50 cal at mach 1.5. Over penetration, however, is a concern with misses. But the 350gr hollow points do a good job of dumping their energy into water based life forms.
I disagree. Shotguns have high recoil making them unsuitable for people with small frames. They also have a decent learning curve that requires training to be able to reload quickly and not induce malfunctions under stress. I cant tell you how many time I have been out shooting sporting clays and the other guys there proclaim their trusty 870 to be their go to home defense gun while I watch them fumble around reloading it and short shuck it all day long. If thats how well they run it recreationally I can only imagine how fucked they are if they need to run it during an adrenaline dump. IMHO Get an AR and if you can a suppressor. Less recoil, higher capacity, faster reloads, faster to remedy most malfunctions should you have one, faster follow up shots. Only downside over a shotgun IMHO is the louder noise which is mediated away with a supressor. If you cant get a suppressor keep a set of electronic muffs (with fresh batteries) wrapped around the stock.
Agreed, Lonewolf, but a lot of the problem with shotguns comes from what the "traditional" choice for a shotgun is. 12 gauge pump is by far the most common. Buuuuut: consider (for home defense) a 20 gauge gas powered autoloader. - Plenty of power to stop a threat. Each pellet is traveling at the same speed as from a 12 gauge, there are just fewer of them. Each trigger pull of a 20 gauge is (roughly) equal to two trigger pulls of a .44 magnum or three from a .45 acp. Yes that's less powerful than a 12 gauge, but still plenty to get the job done. - Much easier to handle the recoil for a smaller shooter. There's much less kick to start with, plus the gas system eats up some of the recoil, plus the smaller frame means it's likely to fit my wife's body better so she can position it correctly to handle the recoil. - No short stroking problems. Pull the trigger and it fires, just like a pistol or an AR. People sometimes think of automating shotguns as unreliable, but I really don't think that's true. A pump can be abused, never cleaned, and still fire every time - except for user error under stress. But, if you keep a modern autoloader cleaned and lubed - the same as you would with a pistol - it has the same reliability as a pistol. I also agree with your implied statement that training is important. Thoughts? Anything I'm overlooking?
Brent Poole I like the traditional stock. if you are asking this question you don't have a full auto ar, so realistically the semiautomatic shotgun has the same rate of fire, but the traditional stock is much more instinctive to use in hand to hand, even in close quarters. did you just grab my barrel and push it away? some part of that force is now part of the force propelling the stock towards your face, thanks! if you stepped back I can follow through, or try to use the extra space to bring my gun to bear as the adrenaline allows. also though I would choose semi auto for my family member, I have killed enough people, and I am willing to risk my life so that the action of my shotgun can wordlessly tell someone to run, even if it only helps me to deal with taking another life... also, odd side note, in my limited experience, and may no one ever have this experience again, untrained people having to clear buildings did better with shotguns... actually because they wasted less amo they even did better than with captured full autos.... this is purely anecdotal, I hope that no one will ever have enough occasion to properly study if or why.
Brent Poole I have a Sagia 12 for home protecting it's the AK style shotgun good for anything you need in life and don't kick any or jam it's just a joy to own.You can have magazine that holds 5 to 30....I use 5 to deer hunt with slugs to a easy 100yds always 1 shot dirtnap.With the 20rd drums there is no recoil..I just trust this gun to keep us safe... Thanks
Awesome comparison and I totally agree, but there is one more criteria I think you should add. Close Encounters (or whatever you want to call it). If you are surprised by an intruder that is close enough to grab you or the gun, which I think is a realistic possibility in a home intruder scenario, it's probably easier to fight hand-to-hand and fire a pistol than it would be with a long gun.
Marcus Tanaka tell the cop if a big dog is better protection than a gun than why aren't all cops K-9 units?, and why do the K-9 units still carry guns?, if we don't need guns to protect our selves than neither do cops, if I have to carry a slingshot to protect myself than so do they. I'm a supporter of our law enforcement, but not the ones who try to enforce laws that don't exist.
I say a brace of sea service flinters in you belt with a blundebuss flinter as primary and back up with a boarding pike is idea weaponry for novices to defend the homestead
I agree either AR-15 or AK-74 for a newer shooter. I think Pistols are good for experienced shooters, very maneuverable easy storage, good defensive ammo selection, easy to keep on you. You can go heavier on the weight of the pistol and move up to 40SW or 45ACP for larger expansion and better stopping power too. 12 gauge shotguns have awesome effectiveness, I would take the AR or AK for accuracy though. I was getting less than 1" groups with my AR from 50 yards the first time I shot one. They are super easy to shoot accurately.
There is something to be said for racking the slide on a shotgun. It is a universal sound that makes most people second guess every decision in their lives.
@Steven Ohakwe my remington has never had a single hiccup my friends pump always does you shoot and try to pump it right after the shot and it jams, you have to wait a second before pumping it
Can your semi auto cycle without being shouldered? Mine cannot, it is a gas gun, which might be part of the problem, but knowing what rounds will cycle and if the gun isn't held firmly will it cycle is a good thing to test before you need it.
Great video. I’ve heard several times that it’s less about the type of gun and more about the shooter and their abilities/comfort with each type of gun. I recognize this is an “all else constant” analysis, but good reminder to get to the range to practice with your weapon of choice!
This was great info. I am wanting to buy my first gun for home defense. I am visually impaired. I’ve been thinking shotgun but you make a great case for the AR.
I came to the same conclusion as this video. From my military experience and also 25 years of firearm experience in general, I came to the conclusion that a 5.56mm short carbine with 5.56mm soft-point ammunition is overall the best home defense firearm as long as it's well-maintained. You get lots of ammo, low recoil, ease of keeping sights on target, and minimum over-penetration but with much greater stopping power compared to most hand gun ammunition. You can also just pump tons of rounds on a target in order to maintain fire superiority, which in the military, you learn is critical when it comes to surviving ambushes. For me however, as a former Army Corp of Engineers guy, I have a certain affinity to 12 gauge shotguns and so I train much more with my Maverick 88 because it's fun to shoot and I'm able to put rounds on target under stress very quickly even though I'm a short guy. It's just about having an aggressive forward leaning stance and learning to both enjoy and use the recoil to your advantage in terms of pumping the next rounds into the chamber and keeping sights on target. But as I get older I'll likely transition more to 20 gauge, then to .410 bore and 5.56mm carbines as primary home defense firearms. I also love 7.62x39 but having seen what it does to homes in a drive-by shooting, even with soft-point rounds, the over-penetration is insane. For home defense you want to stick to lighter caliber soft point rounds in rifles. Leave the heavy caliber stuff for hunting and long-range shooting. Likewise in a 12 gauge shotgun, I stick to #4 buckshot because it gives the best compromise between minimum over-penetration and lethality (verified by FBI testing as well).
I think the short carbine would be critical to a woman using it for home defense if it reduces the weight significantly. My AR is light (7lbs) and I workout, I would have a hard time maintaining an accurate defensive position for long.
I think an AR would probably be ideal but for those of us who live in apartments, I think it over penetrates too much. A shotgun with #4 buck is better, IMO. Pistols can penetrate quite a bit too in an apartment.
As a secondary for my wife, I have Ruger 10/22 Charger. No recoil, very accurate, and not over-penetration. The red dot helps with aiming for her. And 22lr is still deadly from 10-inch barrels as 9mm from 4inch barrels. Plus 25 rounds mag is sweet.
Interestingly, I eventually came to the same conclusion but the AR in 11.5" pistol form in .300 black out. I started off with a Mossberg 500 12 ga because I wanted the intruder to disintegrate. Then I progressed to a S&W 9mm for the capacity so I could stop most of the mob. But eventually I rationally thought it through and decided the best option was the AR pistol; 11.5" barrel, 300BO, light w/strobe and HALO red dot in solar. The best option for a home defense/truck gun.
Great review of the 3. Love the Dad humor. This is why our best home defense is the Bullpup shotgun. A shotgun that is semiautomatic kicks some serious booty. The only drawback is the ever so familiar sound of chambering a round in a pump action shotgun. I think that sound in and of itself is a pretty good defense.... lol...
Until the video actually started, I was like it doesn't matter to me. No I am not a savant on all 3 but I do consider myself an expert on all 3. I am retired US Army, (also a Police Officer during the few years I spent in the National Guard). I also competed in the Oklahoma National Guards Governor's 20 shooting competition (beat out by about 1/16th of an inch). I was glad I watched further as I get that question A LOT by new or inexperienced shooters. My go to as a well trained shooter (slacking off with ammo scarcity) is my Springfield XD-45. Thanks for the great advice and presentation.
Great content. Very informative. I’m learning a lot as a person who’s starting to weigh the possibility of lessons and eventually purchasing some sort of firearm for protection.
I’m going to have to stick with the old shotgun. I know the “spread” is not as dramatic as people want to believe. But it’s still a thing. Especially when compared to the .22 caliber bullet from an AR or a 9mm pistol. Even a .410 shotgun is going to be more effective. And I know they’re heavy and kick like being in a head on crash with a Mack truck. Especially with magnum shells and slugs. But that’s also a lot of the reason they’re so effective. They got the “POWUH”!!! And much like John says... they also have the loudest bark. So you will probably have the police on your way from the help of your neighbors... As far as ease of use and capacity... they have AR weapons chambered in virtually all popular shotgun gauges. .410, 20 and 12. So you have the advantage of being semi auto, reduced recoil compared to a standard shotgun. As well as being mag fed so your capacity is really only limited to your physical strength to be able to hold a 20 round drum on target. Because it’s heavy for real. And as a bonus with an AR based shotgun. Your controls are virtually the same as your favorite rifle. But the most important thing for me is stopping power. And a shotgun is as close to one shot guaranteed stop as possible. And in my opinion... That’s even with just a .410. And most people would have at least a 20 gauge if not a 12 gauge.
I was thinking, imagine 4 armed guys coming through the back door all at once. What would be most effective at hitting all the targets and stopping the threats as fast as possible. I'm picturing 5 rounds in a semi auto shotgun.
I keep all 3 close by but i agree 👍 the pistol Ar15 is alot easyier to clear a building than a longer one. Coarse when i was in the Army we used regular m16 for this. There's techniques for pistol clearing and using non firing hand. But my mindset is a pistol is used long enough to get you to your long gun. I have a saiga 12ga shotgun with 10rd mags i like and with its folding stock make is small enough. But im 6'4" 330 pounds so recoil isn't much of an issue nor is weight within reasonable limits. Not going to try to use a m 240. Lol But yeah i agree 👍 small ar is a kicksss choice. That and my combat shotgun loaded with 00 buck
The best home defense weapon is: 1st -the one you can get to it in the case of emergency 2nd- the one you also know how to use and accurately shoot 3rd- is lock 'n loaded
Depends: For home defense against a single or a couple of home invaders, recoil management and multiple shots become less important. Single trigger pull stop becomes so much more important. Shotgun wins hands down. Against a horde of invaders, the AR obviously wins. Not so cut and dry. I personally have both next to my nightstand. The L4 plate carrier has the AR mags in it, because if it comes to that the AR is the one to grab. But for bump in the night, single to 3 creepers, I would pick the 930 12G every time.
On a side note for home invasion protection, I'm a young man who's been working as a carpenter and glazier (glass tradesman) in Florida for years, and I've always insisted on putting longer screws in the door frames, hinge side and jamb side, ideally at least two 3 inch screws in each hinge and whatnot. It's also (most often) mandatory to replace windows, doors and sliders with impact resistant (hurricane resistant) glass and other materials here in FL depending on how many openings you're replacing. I've also sold a handful of jobs on the principle that it's useful as protection from home invasion. We have a video of myself and 3 or 4 other tradesmen beating a sliding glass door panel with a sledge hammer all over for about 20 minutes and we still couldn't get through it. They're made so well that some of the fire and police departments have protested against their use as it makes it extremely hard to forcibly enter a household. The firefighters have to use what's basically a chainsaw to make entry. I personally believe everyone should have them for home invasion protection, regardless if you get tornadoes or hurricanes in your area. The actual price per window as a product ranges from $150-$400, exterior doors being about $1,000-$2000 depending on style, and not counting screws, bucking, caulking, or installation if you have someone retrofit it for you. They usually pay subcontractors $100 per window and $250-$300 per single door or sliding panel. I give the pricing so that you all know how much it would cost if you should decide to have them installed, given to you by someone who knows the industry well. The major glazing contractors will charge you $2000 or more per window and $3k-$5k per door or slider. Find someone who knows how to do it and just pay them. The only 2 states that require a glazier to have a contractors license is Florida and Connecticut. Good luck, friends...
I have all 3 by my pillow, but when something goes bump in the night, I always grab the laser-guided Glock 19 pistol full of 9mm Speer hollow-points. I told my wife to do the same because: (1) Under stress... It would be far easier for her to operate. Rack, pull-trigger, pull-trigger. ARs and shotguns are harder to rack w/o jamming, let alone remembering to pump after the 1st shot. (2) It's easier to maneuver and to point while opening doors, etc. (3) At indoor distances, it's not that easy to miss, especially if she remembers to turn on the laser. A 9mm pistol has less stopping power than an AR or shotgun, but after eating (or even being missed by) a 9mm hollow-point I think there's a negligible chance that a bad-guy would come for more. Here in Commifornia, the 10-round-magazine-limit mitigates the capacity-advantage of pistols & ARs relative to a 7-round shotgun-- though popping in a fresh magazine is easier, in the unlikely event that there's an extended firefight. The bad guys would fight-fair by using 10-round magazines also, right? :-)
I totally agree. The longest shot in my house would be about 30 feet, tops. There is no need for too much accuracy there. I think the prospect of having a long gun grabbed by the muzzle in close quarter, perhaps when trying to clear a corner, far outweigh the benefit of a rifle, or shotgun. I believe in having a gun belt, with retention holster, So I could holster if I had to for some reason and still keep the gun with me, safely. With a pistol, I could keep a person at arms length if I had to with the pistol close to the body. I think not enough emphasis is given in these discussions of non-lethal confrontations. Merely shooting someone for being in your house can present legal problems in some states. I am in California as well, and we don't have stand-your-ground to save us. What do you do if someone is outside doing something? If you go out with a rifle, and they have no weapons but try to fist-fight you, that is a problem. Now if I KNOW I will be in a gunfight, outside, then I take a carbine for sure.
Why dont you just have her practice with all 3 then you dont have to worry about her failing something as easy as putting a bullet into battery? I dont know anything about your lady and the comment is 11 months old but hopefully some practice has taken place. Sucks you are in Commifornia, except for the weather and drinks.
Don’t waste precious time racking once the SHTF, have it ready before hand. If you can’t handle a loaded firearm when there is no stress, how do you expect to safely handle one when there is?
Here in CA all we have to do when we have a home invaders is tell them that we have strong gun laws, so that they put down their guns/weapons and run away. I usually layer that with a sign that explains all that in front of my door in case they can read.
My home defense is as such, Shot gun (Mossberg 930 semi-auto and the Mossberg 590-A1) the 590 for the iconic sound the cocking makes (mine is custom so the sound is louder than it usually is on a regular shotgun) and the 930 for the rate of fire, then I have a smith and wesson 9mm and .45, finished with dragon skin body armor with helmet outfitted with night vison pull down goggles and a 12 inch Bowie (and that's just the blade), (Every member of the family has these exact tools fitted to them in case of an emergency, we are all properly trained and everything as well, my 14 year old daughter is the deadliest in the family) and I also have a button that sounds a really loud siren alarm that will wake up the entire neighborhood in all the bedrooms and bathrooms, and every door is made out of 3 inches of solid steel with vertical, and horizontal locking bolts with a thick steel frame, all glass is bullet proof rated for a .45 and all the walls have a 1/2 inch plate surrounding the entire area of the room, the entire house has water sprinklers for fire and there is a panic room hidden in the house itself, I have a computer system that locks all doors and windows at night and turns on all cameras and outdoor lights and motion sensors. Many of my neighbors called me paranoid and war prepared, and I tell them, "what kind of home defense would you have against a mob of liberals who think you are overly white and happy and need to be taken down a notch?" FYI: All my friends have invested in the exact same home defense that I have installed, steel plates and all, some with even more guns and one bought a used tank for getaways, thank god all my friends are army ground pounders, one sniper trained, and the rest marines. I dare any fucking enemy (especially liberals) to come and cause some shit in my neighborhood, I taught a 93 year old grandmother how to use a 9mm with extreme accuracy, she's known as deaths grandma by the vets, hardcore lady and not someone to fuck with. So all you fucking lunatic liberals, come and cause some shit, please give me a reason to use the second amendment with impunity.
Just saw an interesting video on penetration of hollow points in a home scenario. The hollow points filled up with drywall and other building materials which caused them to act like roundnose bullets and had virtually no deformation.
Nice way of making some objective measure of each option. I think the size/layout of your house is a factor, in addition to what other occupants are in your home.
What about Bullpup .223 rifle like Steyr AUG or TAVOR which would help with handling in tighter space indoors (kinda what it was designed for) or PDW/subgun like P90 or Scorpion EVO (dealing with accuracy and capacity issues of the pistol. PS: hard barrier penetration isnt always disadvantage, when someone is breaking down your door and you have to shoot through it a shotgun will be far less useful than pistol or rifle, or if the intruder hides behind furniture as another example.
I personally took that into account and my .45 mags are staggered with Winchester holo points and hard cased flat nose +p rounds from Buffalo boar I love those things
Great work , that analysis looks accurate. But what about California, we’ve got 10 round limit and the AR magazine is unremovable without a tool. Another comparison of Commi-Kalifornia self defense would be good to add.
love the video John, just curious: do you carry FMJ pistol ammo for self defense? hmmmm, maybe you can do a video on your thoughts for pistol ammo for self defence like brands/weight/type etc...
redsignathletics I wouldn't put it past him if he does use fmj since he's quite lethal with fast shot placement. he could probably carry a ruger mark and still drop someone like a sack of potatoes efficiently
Know it’s an old video but I’d have to say a benelli m4 with the 7 round tube which will allow it to hold 9 rounds total with something like #4 or #1 buckshot would be a seriously hard thing to beat especially with a good light on it no matter if it’s a man or woman shooting it.
I think your analysis is reasonable for a new shooter, or someone with not a lot of experience. I’m extremely experienced with a 12 ga pump and am large enough even the heaviest loads don’t phase me. I can run my 12 ga pump as fast as anyone with a semiauto shotgun so it is a solid weapon choice for me, although since I got my AR15 300BLK pistol I’ve been considering it as my primary. Mr. Lovell has made some good points about the AR pistol for home defense.
Great video and matrix for determining home defense selection. Over penetration has to be a primary concern based on rule #4 of gun safety. So not just in your house but your neighbors as well potentially. That said it’s your house floor plan that can add or detract from this index of consideration. For example I have a downstairs master that is “up-range” of the front and back door, so this may allow me to use the AR and handgun where a different floor plan wouldn’t offer this flexibility.
After we adjusted for confounding factors, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.46 (95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.16, 17.04) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 4.23 (95% CI = 1.19, 15.13) times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault. In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 5.45 (95% CI = 1.01, 29.92) times more likely to be shot. When we only considered independent variables that most strongly affected our models, smaller but correspondingly significant adjusted odds ratios were noted. In these reduced models, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.55 (95% CI = 1.00, 6.58) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 3.54 (95% CI = 1.18, 10.58) times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault. In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist,
I'm glad that you included Handling Ease on your chart. I used to regularly search my house for the things that go bump in the night. I tried using a shotgun or rifle. But opening closets, looking inside them, entering rooms, etc was awkward with that long barrel. So I settled on a pistol for investigating those nighttime noises.
@@ironmonkey1512 I had an Australian Shephard. It took a while to teach him to actually search every room. I would have friends go in the house while the dog and I were out. They would hide somewhere and the dog got lavishly rewarded for alerting me. - But I am still paranoid :) and would check the house sometimes at night.
On that @missouribob I think the alarm system is fantastic. I still have protection inside but have the house alarm set once we are in for the night. It will go off if any window is opened, broke or any door opens. Solves what you are talking about.
Best hdw for newbies: 38 +p dao revolver with 4” barrel. Simple and reliable. The double action deters nd’s, 38+p has good close range stopping power while not being so violent in recoil (for the ladies and younger folks) and it provides some heft. Ie; could deliver a pretty good pistol whipping vs a polymer striker fired pistol....if it came down to that. Possibly couple that with a hand/fingerprint ID safe on the nightstand and you’re good to go. Thats my opinion.
I tired this with my wife and she just didn’t like the “look” of the revolver. 🙄🤷♂️ So she went shopping on her own decided on a BP-9. Only semi auto she could manipulate the slide (at the time. I know about the shield ez and plan on getting her one) Anyway my biggest issue with that shit is she consistently puts her finger on the trigger out of habit. It’s a bad one I can’t seem to break her of. If she listened to me, and gone with the revolver, this would still be an issue but much less of one as it take @3x as much effort to fire the dao revolver over the BP-9. And worse, the bp9 has lighter trigger pull than a stock glock...which she has negligently discharged once. Lucky no one was injured or killed but could have been EASILY. I’ve fought and fought with her over this shit to exhaustion and I just resigned myself to hope she never causes a problem. The good news is (I guess) she NEVER touches it. It stays locked in a Kydex holster all the time. Either on the night stand or in the glove box. (She refuses to train with it) I’ve pushed to have her keep One in the pipe. I’ve debated like hell on this one but at the end of the day, in most every scenario I can image where she’d use it, counting on her chambering a round is just not good at all. So the preverbal dice will be rolled. Ladies out there: If you aren’t proficient with proper safety handling and manipulation of a semi auto, go with the revolver. You loose some rounds but for fucks sake it’s safer. And guys out there: Don’t fall in love with an extremely independent woman who’s way smarter than you, Italian, and hardheaded as fuck. 🤷♂️🙄🔫
Agree wholeheartedly, but I'm going with the can! I'm half deaf now, don't need to lose more. SBR with a can. Why? Because I'm old and I can afford it. 🤣🤣🤣
If someone has almost no training then I like double barrel shotguns and double action revolvers with swing out cylinders, just because it is so easy to see if it is loaded or not, loading and unloading is easier (two steps), and you don’t have extra steps in use, maybe a safety on grandads goose gun but that is a single thumb control. Once a person has training then a semi-auto 5.56 with 55 grain ballistic tip varminters, white light, and reflex sight is hard to beat. I like shotguns but for the reasons you pointed out with pump guns, the finicky nature of many semiautomatics, and the fact that most shotguns are not designed to be drop safe I tend to lean away. By not drop safe I am referring to the fact that in Washington State at least one person a year is shot by their dog. What happens is that a water foul Hunter is in his blind when their lab knocks over the chambered shotgun and boom, half ol boys foot is now splat. You can avoid this by leaving the chamber empty (and save your hammer spring) but that is an extra action that has to be done before the weapon can be deployed.
joe Smith A 9mm PCC definitely packs a punch, I know for a fact. I hang 8" steel plates off of a 4x4 using chains. A 4" barrel pistol knocks the plates back to about a 45 degree angle when hit. The 16" barrel carbine flips them up on top of the 4x4.
Well almost no recoil, shootable as well as a rifle within a reasonable distance, I don't see how you can go wrong unless the said firearm is a piece of junk, to begin with. My old Marlin 336 30-30 will work just as well as an AR, its an even better deer shooting rifle since I put an Aimpoint on it. I got old eyes now. It's a little more than a 223 or 5.56 but here in CT, they get bent over AR's for some odd reason.
Accessibility aside, I think its a very good compromise. One variable he didn't touch on is accessibility, which is a huge variable IMO. Pistols win in that regard. You can't easily keep an long gun safely locked in a gun case beside your bed.
You left out my favorite that I use.... The XL18 flamethrower. Criminals hate it. So does the local fire department. And my homeowners insurance company. But you will find no other weapon that makes the criminal regret his life choices more than this.
My wife and I rejected the shotgun idea because of her reach. Semi auto small caliber rifle for her, I kind of like them as well, but when she was little, she used to shoot pigeons flying out of her barn. I am comfortable with her aim, once she gets back in practice.
Maybe look at it from another angle. Look at the bad points and see if you can reduce them. Pistol, use expanding ammo, not ball. fit a laser to help with aiming. Rifle, use a short barrel, adjustable stock, a laser or red dot. Shotgun. use defensive ammo, reduce recoil with a 20ga instead of a 12ga, use a semiauto. Again, use a red dot or laser. Something can be done to improve every choice. I would always have a good light (SAS guy said "bullets go where the light is shining") A good bright laser, grip activated. At some point, you have to stop before you have a "Mall Ninja" weapon with night sights, bipod, front grip, bayonet, lights and lasers like a Christmas tree. But a good light is pretty much a must, not too bright, not too dispersed and one that is grip operated (so you don't have to think to switch it on) Fortunately, my wife is a great shot with a double 30" barreled 12ga, a good shot with a semi auto rifle too. The one gun we have fitted with a light is our short-barreled semiauto magazine fed 12ga. It also has pop-up iron sights and a red dot. We use it for close range clay pigeon shooting in the dark 😎
Loving these comments...but all joking aside, I'm looking to get a pistol AR for home defense, and I'm torn between an Aero 11.5" and PSA 10.5 ". I'd rather have Aero, and don't think 1" would really matter, but if it helps move around doorways it might be a better option. Suggestions welcomed. Thanks John for all this video content.
My wife and older daughters have won every conflict they've ever gotten into with me so I vote, whatever they can get their hands onto...and there are many options available.
The AR is nice but busy and still oversized for in the house as its clunky to negotiate corners and a shotgun is scary for the operator as well , i lean towards the pistol and it doesn't have to be a big one, just have alot of rounds and a light. A .22 will kill you just as dead as a 9mm you just have to put a few more in'em and is very controllable and easily moved from positions inside. Outside i am definitely switching to the rifle.
I'd go with pistol, it seems like when anyone uses an NFA weapon in self defense it always leads to stupid court cases that never would have happened if the gun hadn't been NFA. Also if you are convicted of a crime the sentence will probably be much longer if you use an NFA weapon. Honestly an AR pistol with a stabilizing blade is the exact same as an SBR so really doesn't matter too much.
That's what I think, too. The only thing you're trading off is the ability to adjust the length back and forth. They even make pistol braces that you can adjust the length using a screwdriver to lock the length in place. So by simply replacing the normal stock with a pistol brace, you avoid the $200 tax, the year long wait period, and most importantly the legal hassle.
I always thought a 22LR was the best home protection because of the lack of over penetration. Short and fast no recoil to speak of. The only thing is I would have to do my own calling to 911 because just the people in that house would hear it.
Bro... FNH PS90 is perfect: Accuracy Ease: 8 or 10 w/laser Recoil Mgmt: 9 Ammo Capacity: 12 Over Penetration: 8 Handling Ease: 9 Stopping Power: 7 If they are new shooters any gun will be new. Any gun will take as long to learn as anything else... Good instructor is priceless. Totally my 2 cents.😂😇🤣
@@TMega5612 yeah, funniest thing... A .45 will sit the target on it's ass, but a .45 is stopped by body armor. I'd rather go right through the armor... that's the level of stopping power I want. I make body armor, I know what I am saying. The 5.7 x 28 shoots well out of the PS90 and the FNH FiveseveN pistol. My guns, I know them well. What 9 are you thinking about?
@@one-of-us9939 I mean .45 is hardly better than 9mm at stopping a target. It's fuddlore'd into some insanely powerful round, but it's hardly better than 9mm. For 9mm vs .45ACP, if you shoot 9mm better than .45, use 9mm. 5.7 will defeat some kevlar if it's FMJ and not HP/fragmenting, but if it is FMJ you lose almost all of its stopping power. FMJ 5.7 is probably inferior to HP 9mm since so many incredible bullets have been developed for 9mm (Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, etc.). Even for armor penetration, you'd really need SS190, which is heavily regulated in the US as an "armor-piercing handgun round". Even then it's going to splash against almost all hard armor. 5.7 is a neat round but it's very niche. Without full auto or as a very-energy-dumping HP round, I really don't see a point for it.
@@TMega5612 you are right. I carry a p365 in 9. I love it. But I also love all my guns, and that's what's great about🇺🇲... Freedom to choose. But if I go into action I want my 5.7 pistol cuz I know I could reach out 100yards with it and it's got a 20 round clip stock. I don't think any caliber is the best, no toolbox has just one tool in it... but the 5.7 is what I choose for me at a time of conflict. You're right tho, so many great 9mm rounds.
Depends on youre level of training. Personally the 40cal. Semi auto HK and a Mossberg 500 12 gauge with Combat loads is all i need for the house and car. God Bless the INFANTRY.
@PARK well then, now that the loony toons have joined the chat I'd like to remind everyone that the only way to keep the boogie man and his globalist cronies from controlling your mind is by keeping your tin foil hat on at all times, remember the government can read your thoughts so make sure they're scrambled 🤣
@PARK yes and while the opressers disarm people of their weapons organized religion does what it has always done, disarm people's minds, think about how many times in history this dogma has been used to distract and blind faith has been used to oppress and exploit, so while you're off chasing the boogie man the real tyrants of this world are free to do as they please
@PARK cool story bro, just so you know Christianity absolutely is a religion, it's also a great collection parables and stories, not saying there's no wisdom in it but the literal notion of a man in the clouds and his magical son is all just fairy tales, now I respect your freedom of religion and belief but what I get annoyed by is the blind faith that let's you believe in things with no measurable basis in reality like the existence of a "soul" and to disbelieve things that are measurably and demonstrationally proven, it's called science, it doesn't require blind faith just an open free thinking mind, religion started as a way for man to explain a world he couldn't understand and for a while it worked but we have grown out of it, we have the technology and science to actually answer some of those questions, the but religion is used more and more as it has been for a long time to simply control people's minds and make them think stupid shit like Obama being the Antichrist, now I'm not a fan of Obama but Antichrist? Really? That's some funny shit🤣, if you think Obama is the Antichrist then who is Kim Jong Un, or who was Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, or what about Caligula, surely that crazy bastard rates higher on the might be the Antichrist scale than Obama, you Bible thumpers are hilarious 🤣
I gave it an instant thumbs up as that same exact spot, as I had just subscribed a few second prior! That comment made me laugh and instantly like this guy.
Here in NY I've been using a slingshot for home defense w/ no more than 10 rocks in my pockets, sad.....
+NICYS Firearms Instruction I'm pretty sure that's illegal there...
Lucky you. I'm from Belgium and here slingshots are in fact, Illegal.
I don't know man, if I pop a home intruder with my slingshot, he's probably gonna wish I had shot him instead!
+debaser71 In NY, my hands are illegal too! They hold more than 10 rounds. ;-)
NICYS Firearms Instruction that's a shame I bought my colt carbine an M3 Benelli super 90 also a Glock 17 in lower Manhattan. Is John jovinos still around.
Why not just put a "gun free zone" sign in front of your house and avoid getting into a gun fight in the first place?
Right?! 😂
Do you wear a mask while alone in your vehicle?
Or put a gun free zone sign in front of the house but still have guns to blow whoever walks through the door
I mean my security system stops threats. That phone call really scares away the bad guy. They see that sloman shield and piss their pants.
Semi auto shotgun is my choice. So much flying in their direction they don't have time to turn and assess what's happening. And in litigation I emptied so fast (~ 2s) that they never got that chance to run away. From there it's sidearm if they have any fight left in them while I wait for the police.
If 6 loud shots doesn't scare anyone else looking to do harm away, I don't know what would.
Over penetration is not even a factor. Most home defense situations are at night and if your like me you sleep upstairs, which means you're likely firing down wards. If they are on the same floor it's parallel and projectiles would be tumbling after hitting anything then traveling extended distances. The test you never see is ballistic gel getting hit, then 5ft away hitting drywall, then 2 inches drywall, then 10 ft away another piece of drywall. Simulating actual rooms in houses. Instead you see people stack drywall close and go, "see it penetrated 8 layers.". That's not how it works, gravity, inertia , friction and trajectory are all forces that play a role in real life. Something that should be considered...
On the ar15, 30 rounds will only get you in trouble in court. I work in legal for a us top 10 insurance company. As soon as their back turns and are scared you need to stop firing, very easy to get carried away with 30 rounds. If the zombies come though, my ar15 will be in my safe waiting.
Do you also take horse dewormer like Trump supporters?😂
My go to solution is to grab my antique dueling pistols, if the intruder can beat me in an old fashioned duel he deserves my possessions since he is the superior man.
Memer -_- 😆😆👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for the needed laugh good sir! 😂
Maybe the democrats should think of this. Be a good way to handle the unfair fight mentality. Only catch is you never said both were loaded nor would need to grantee they were.
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Why didn't I think of that
Sounds like a pretty good time to me.
My go to is my cavalry saber. The worst part is cleaning up all the horse poop out of the bedroom.
Thanks for this. I’m a single mom who stopped in a firearms store to pose this exact question and they had the same answer you had. My dad was shocked and had the misconception that I had before talking to the firearms representative me that that it would blow through my wall into a neighbors house (I live in a vinyl village). I’m doing research before making a decision and am leaning toward the AR. I am also signed up for a 4 hour home defense course next month.
This video is pretty bad , as he doesn't give a single real-world example to illustrate any of his claims.
@@shaft9000 its through perspective
@@shaft9000 he prefaced with the fact that its his opinion. the evidence is his own experience.
Vinyl village - nice, will be using that.
@geno even a fmj 556 will fragment inside a body or gel. But yes hollow points if ya got em!
My go-to for home defense is an AR pistol in 12 gauge.
It must be great to live in a free state and not a slave state
I prefer my Saiga 12, just kinda worried how the court would view my case after unloading 13 rounds of 00 buckshot into the intruder. I have an AK I could use but that might be worse...
michael swanson I used to stay in Nc, bought my first rifle there. Now I stay in Georgia, same gun laws. They are loose gun laws and considered “slave states” chill guy
@@X.L.B1 no where nc
Sounds like a Black Aces Tactical.
I guess I've been going about about it all wrong with my flamethrower. It seemed effective in all the films...
and it provides illumination. so yeah, there's that.
+leadpersuasion no, you are right. Flame on 🔥
leadpersuasion hearing safe without the tax stamp. I like it
now hold it if the flamethrower works for you, what the heck!!!!
leadpersuasion burn down the village in order to save it.
The best home defense is my mother in-law with her flip flop
Chancla!
Or her freakn mouth
Damn it. Mine would make them something to eat while they robbed me and would have gotten laid when they were done.
Travis Grider hey I wouldn’t mess with her
The 2nd Amendment doesn't cover the Chancla. Way too deadly. Scarred many children. Those should be illegal worldwide. 😁
Get a double barrel shotgun. Go out on the balcony, and fire 2 blasts.
Lmao
Yes, the classic Joe Biden style! Love it!
Just heard that interview this last week for the first time 😆
Hahahaha, "c'mon man"
Dang it Just realized I gotta go out and get a balcony.
Exactly I think you need to show the world just how much dimensia you have. What better way then to shoot your double barrel 12 gague dry up in the air.
Here in California I'd be using the musket. 🦄🦋
+John M haha. Shooting marshmallows
Well if you can hit a snowflake with a musket...
John M we still have at least 10 more years to go before our rights are stripped to muskets here.
Can you at least have a bayonet or a shoulder thing that goes up? What are they called again? Barrel shrouds?
In Italy we use "magic wands that shoots unicorns"...
Thank you for this video. Recent Minneapolis riots and first hand account from son living there had me revisit this issue for variety of reasons. You seem to be the only channel on TH-cam that can successfully blend your military kinetic experience (practical credibility) with civilian educational techniques. Thank you again, you helped my family in developing self defense protection capability.
While I cannot dispute the logic here, I settled on a Glock 23, with a tactical light/green laser, and a spare mag attached to the first via lanyard, rather than using an AR. I made this choice for the following reasons:
1. Smaller and easier to handle in my small home, with narrow doors, and hallway.
2. Easier storage/accessibility. I decided that moving a long gun in/out of the safe each time I leave/enter the house would be cumbersome, and would result in my either not storing it properly when I left, or failing to pull it out of the safe when getting home. Where as the smaller pistol safe is much more accessible, and I just swap mags and carry it out of the house. Also, the long gun is more difficult to carry/store near me as I walk about the house.
The above challenges made me conclude that I simply would not have the long gun within reach should I ever need it, and would be far more likely to actually have the pistol ready and available. And when you get down to it, the best gun, is the one that you actually have when you need it.
That depends if you're actually trying to clear the house for whatever reason. Call the police -- hold up in a safe room with the gun pointed at the door, and stay on the phone.
Great points.
@@-John-Doe- exactly. If there's home invaders im staying in a corner camping like call of duty
@@yonismo4098 I hear you, but in my home, a long gun is more of an impediment, than a help.
@@-John-Doe- Fuck that. I am not calling the police to come save me, every time there is a noise that needs investigating in my home. Oh gee, it was just the dog knocking something over, but don't worry, we shot him for you.
Lights play a huge factor in this. I've had to clear my house 3 times in life so far, thankfully nothing was ever threatening.. That said, a pistol with a light is my choice over my AR or 12g because opening doors, turning corners and such is much easier with a handgun close to the body than any long gun with the end of the barrel extended from the torso. I'm also trained with the 3, still handgun wins every time for me. The home makes a difference as well of what to choose in the bump of the night scenario. If I'm clearing a house, handgun. If I'm holding my ground with my family, AR all day. Just my .2 not that y'all even care but it's what I am more confident with.
Wife and I have a hand gun concealed somewhere in every single room. Including shotguns and AR-15s.. Total of about 20 firearms in our house... Of course there is 5 bedrooms, three bathrooms and Two floors... SO it only makes sense to have a fair number of home defense firearms hidden in different locations. You never know when wild animal or crazy asshole will invade your home. You might not be in a certain room when it happens, so best to have options.
You better hope the invader doesn't find any of your 20 firearms. It would most certainly suck to find your own gun pointed at you. Especially if the invader came in unarmed.
Ylisami ... Good luck finding, let alone getting too them. You need to know how to open and what to do to open the containers. OH and good luck getting in... I installed Polycarbonate windows and entrance ways are reinforced from kick ins. It would take a vehicle mounted battering ram to quickly get through the doors, and windows. We also live in a gated community that is patrolled regularly by security guards. There is also a surveillance system tied to an off site security response center that operates 24/7. SO thanks for the concern, but I am pretty sure I have my avenues of weakness covered.
Guess you don’t have kids... for those of us that do, that setup would be negligent. I hear you tho, I have 2 kids (11 and 13), both proficient with firearms, but i do have weapons hidden in a few places, but nowhere my kids know about, can reach, or will find. We all need to think responsibly where you place a firearm, and who also might have access.
@@ericpinnar... I personally have been shooting firearms since I was able to hold one. At 2 or 3 I learned to use a high powered Air rifle to prevent squirrels and rabbits and other vermin from distryoing the crops. Once I was able to hold the weight I was shooting small caliber gunpowder rifles. So as far back as I can remember I have been around firearms... I knew as a child not to play with them, and not to point them at anything you didn't intend to kill. So no with proper training it is NOT nelegent to have firearms in the house... Hell as a child the long rifles hung on the walls in plain sight. Handguns were put up by only so a stranger did not know where they were. I knew and had the training which included the respect for the dangers of such firearms. My children have the same training and discipline as I did as a child.
I am watching this a year after taking my wife to the range with a Glock 19 and a 10.5 inch AR. She was better able to shoot the AR quickly and accurately the very first time than the 19.
“If you disagree I don’t care” words to live by my friend
My weapon of choice: John Wick.
Yeah, I just let my pet John Wick out of his cage.
The Equalizer would dominate this weapon class
I'll accept that! Can I borrow him for date nights too?😆🤘
Pencil gang rise up.
I want Christian Bale "Equilibrium" Using Gun Kata as my weapon.
Thanks, just started getting my wife to the range and shooting pistol. She has also mentioned eventually getting a shotgun. We are thinking a 20 gauge because of her size, getting a home defense style of course. Working on getting her accustomed and trained.
"If you disagree I don't care. Moving on" I don't know why I laughed so hard, maybe it was the straight face.
The 2-3 times I legit thought someone was in my house, I always grabbed the pistol. I just don’t like swinging a long barrel around for someone to grab.
*Best Answer*
20mm anti tank rifle
Overpenetration : 6
What if you use 20mm HE Minengeschoß
TinLong Wong it’s great for blowing people in half
Civil war era cannon loaded with grape shot.... stopping power: what burglar
Because when you absolutely positively need to destroy (what's left of) the guy shooting at you, your hearing, your TV, the walls, the neighbors cat and the car about three blocks down? Accept no substitutes. 20mm is a wussy caliber anyways. Real men use a GAU-8 on a tripod.
Overpenetration? Stopping Power? 11 is a generous, conservative estimate.
As an older female who has shot different firearms all her life I like all 3 but reserve certain ones for certain situations. If awakened during the night I will grab the shotgun hanging on the bedside...bang...rack rack bang...rack rack bang! For carry my M&P Shield EZ...EZ because I have a little arthritis in my hands and can operate this pistol smoothly. My AR is what I would grab if I was conscious and aware of an intruder and my first lines of home defense had failed which are
1. A great Pyrenees dog that sounds the warning of anyone approaching within 1/4 mile.
2. Door locks.
3. Bull mastiff #1
4. Bull mastiff #2
5. Already loaded and waiting with previously mentioned firearm pointed at the only point of access.
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Why not all three at the same time
my mother has joint issues with her wrists, so I'd like to know, as I am someone who is still somewhat new to the world of firearms, what you'd recommend instead of a handgun where my mom has trouble racking the slide. I was thinking of rifle over shotgun because of weight, and it may be easier to chamber a cartridge with every new mag she'd put in.
@@drakke125Channel Check out the Smith & Wesson M&P shield EZ - comes in 9mm or 380 - made to be easy to rack (at least 1/2 easier)
drakke125 Get an AR-15 pistol. 10.5” barrel Get frangible ammunition so no over penetration.
You making that machine gun noise with your mouth reminded me of something that hasn't crossed my mind for 30 years. I was so jealous of a friend of mine when I was a boy because he could make the coolest machine gun noise when we played army, I practiced but never got any better that you just did.
+Shane K I don't know what you're talking about, I just totally rocked that machine gun noise. It might be the thing I'm best at...
10.5" .50 Beowulf AR pistol. Works if the intruder is a bear too.
I like my ears thank u.. hahaha
Think it might have an over-penetration problem though :P
Sure, if you want your eardrums to explode
.223 at mach 3 is worse for your ears than .50 cal at mach 1.5. Over penetration, however, is a concern with misses. But the 350gr hollow points do a good job of dumping their energy into water based life forms.
olysean92 that’s why I left S. Cal. Bears and coyotes raiders in trash cans. Car window breaking robbers really pissed me off.
Shotgun with buckshot hard to beat for home defense.
+Bassin Laborer660 agreed!
I disagree. Shotguns have high recoil making them unsuitable for people with small frames. They also have a decent learning curve that requires training to be able to reload quickly and not induce malfunctions under stress. I cant tell you how many time I have been out shooting sporting clays and the other guys there proclaim their trusty 870 to be their go to home defense gun while I watch them fumble around reloading it and short shuck it all day long. If thats how well they run it recreationally I can only imagine how fucked they are if they need to run it during an adrenaline dump. IMHO Get an AR and if you can a suppressor. Less recoil, higher capacity, faster reloads, faster to remedy most malfunctions should you have one, faster follow up shots. Only downside over a shotgun IMHO is the louder noise which is mediated away with a supressor. If you cant get a suppressor keep a set of electronic muffs (with fresh batteries) wrapped around the stock.
Agreed, Lonewolf, but a lot of the problem with shotguns comes from what the "traditional" choice for a shotgun is. 12 gauge pump is by far the most common. Buuuuut: consider (for home defense) a 20 gauge gas powered autoloader.
- Plenty of power to stop a threat. Each pellet is traveling at the same speed as from a 12 gauge, there are just fewer of them. Each trigger pull of a 20 gauge is (roughly) equal to two trigger pulls of a .44 magnum or three from a .45 acp. Yes that's less powerful than a 12 gauge, but still plenty to get the job done.
- Much easier to handle the recoil for a smaller shooter. There's much less kick to start with, plus the gas system eats up some of the recoil, plus the smaller frame means it's likely to fit my wife's body better so she can position it correctly to handle the recoil.
- No short stroking problems. Pull the trigger and it fires, just like a pistol or an AR. People sometimes think of automating shotguns as unreliable, but I really don't think that's true. A pump can be abused, never cleaned, and still fire every time - except for user error under stress. But, if you keep a modern autoloader cleaned and lubed - the same as you would with a pistol - it has the same reliability as a pistol.
I also agree with your implied statement that training is important.
Thoughts? Anything I'm overlooking?
Brent Poole I like the traditional stock. if you are asking this question you don't have a full auto ar, so realistically the semiautomatic shotgun has the same rate of fire, but the traditional stock is much more instinctive to use in hand to hand, even in close quarters. did you just grab my barrel and push it away? some part of that force is now part of the force propelling the stock towards your face, thanks! if you stepped back I can follow through, or try to use the extra space to bring my gun to bear as the adrenaline allows. also though I would choose semi auto for my family member, I have killed enough people, and I am willing to risk my life so that the action of my shotgun can wordlessly tell someone to run, even if it only helps me to deal with taking another life...
also, odd side note, in my limited experience, and may no one ever have this experience again, untrained people having to clear buildings did better with shotguns... actually because they wasted less amo they even did better than with captured full autos.... this is purely anecdotal, I hope that no one will ever have enough occasion to properly study if or why.
Brent Poole I have a Sagia 12 for home protecting it's the AK style shotgun good for anything you need in life and don't kick any or jam it's just a joy to own.You can have magazine that holds 5 to 30....I use 5 to deer hunt with slugs to a easy 100yds always 1 shot dirtnap.With the 20rd drums there is no recoil..I just trust this gun to keep us safe... Thanks
REALLY enjoyed this one!!!
+Do It With Dan thx my friend 👊
Dan you're a subscriber too? awesome!
Look who we have here🏍
Oh hey, small world. 🤙🏼
Do It With Dan Are you and the Busa girl (Blaire??) dating now?? Also, how's the H2 treating ya?
The interjection of humor on these videos is priceless! Thank you!
+MasterGhilieman all I've got are dad jokes though!
John Lovell As a dad I might be biased but they are the best.
John Lovell all I have is dad jokes and I'm not even a dad yet. Boy, when that day comes though, the world will know
10.5" AR Pistol with a blast can and 1000 lumen Streamlight. Hands down.
Awesome comparison and I totally agree, but there is one more criteria I think you should add. Close Encounters (or whatever you want to call it). If you are surprised by an intruder that is close enough to grab you or the gun, which I think is a realistic possibility in a home intruder scenario, it's probably easier to fight hand-to-hand and fire a pistol than it would be with a long gun.
Lol “I want my whole neighborhood to hear JOHN is in a gun fight call the police” lmfao 😂😂
I just got a big dog, and then I gave him a shotgun.
+AlexanderSuperTramp hahaha. #winning
AlexanderSuperTramp 😁. But it is good having a dog big or small to warn you of trouble and give the home invader something to consider.
In Hawaii, the police deny all CCW applications. They actually said to go buy a big dog instead.
Marcus Tanaka tell the cop if a big dog is better protection than a gun than why aren't all cops K-9 units?, and why do the K-9 units still carry guns?, if we don't need guns to protect our selves than neither do cops, if I have to carry a slingshot to protect myself than so do they. I'm a supporter of our law enforcement, but not the ones who try to enforce laws that don't exist.
Big dog and guns.... Like dogs and guns..... Best model..... Me happy
NPCs: No! You can't use a shotgun for home defense. Too much spread and over penetration!
John/me: Haha shotgun go boom.
What? Too much spread? Do you live in a 10, 000 sqft home?
This guy reminds me of Morgan from the show Chuck lol
Such a good show.
Bro, that was a good show
I say a brace of sea service flinters in you belt with a blundebuss flinter as primary and back up with a boarding pike is idea weaponry for novices to defend the homestead
+Rebekah-Chris S-K you win! Yes!!!
AA12
You are welcome.
If you have enough money to renovate your house afterwards.
Use 9 shot
why not you bring a minigun instead or 12.8 howitzer...yeah you'll take out 1 or 2 person there and a wall behind them
I've always been partial to the shotgun. Specifically, the Mossberg Shockwave if you are in tight corners, but full size if you have room.
I agree either AR-15 or AK-74 for a newer shooter.
I think Pistols are good for experienced shooters, very maneuverable easy storage, good defensive ammo selection, easy to keep on you. You can go heavier on the weight of the pistol and move up to 40SW or 45ACP for larger expansion and better stopping power too.
12 gauge shotguns have awesome effectiveness, I would take the AR or AK for accuracy though. I was getting less than 1" groups with my AR from 50 yards the first time I shot one. They are super easy to shoot accurately.
The AK is more difficult to reload due to not having a last round hold open.
5:57 if I’m running a shotgun for home defense ima run a semi auto
There is something to be said for racking the slide on a shotgun. It is a universal sound that makes most people second guess every decision in their lives.
@Steven Ohakwe my remington has never had a single hiccup my friends pump always does you shoot and try to pump it right after the shot and it jams, you have to wait a second before pumping it
@@davidquist8963 that’s true but racking my semi sounds pretty good too
I would go pump, for added reliability and cool factor.
Can your semi auto cycle without being shouldered? Mine cannot, it is a gas gun, which might be part of the problem, but knowing what rounds will cycle and if the gun isn't held firmly will it cycle is a good thing to test before you need it.
Great video. I’ve heard several times that it’s less about the type of gun and more about the shooter and their abilities/comfort with each type of gun. I recognize this is an “all else constant” analysis, but good reminder to get to the range to practice with your weapon of choice!
This was great info. I am wanting to buy my first gun for home defense. I am visually impaired. I’ve been thinking shotgun but you make a great case for the AR.
I came to the same conclusion as this video. From my military experience and also 25 years of firearm experience in general, I came to the conclusion that a 5.56mm short carbine with 5.56mm soft-point ammunition is overall the best home defense firearm as long as it's well-maintained. You get lots of ammo, low recoil, ease of keeping sights on target, and minimum over-penetration but with much greater stopping power compared to most hand gun ammunition. You can also just pump tons of rounds on a target in order to maintain fire superiority, which in the military, you learn is critical when it comes to surviving ambushes.
For me however, as a former Army Corp of Engineers guy, I have a certain affinity to 12 gauge shotguns and so I train much more with my Maverick 88 because it's fun to shoot and I'm able to put rounds on target under stress very quickly even though I'm a short guy. It's just about having an aggressive forward leaning stance and learning to both enjoy and use the recoil to your advantage in terms of pumping the next rounds into the chamber and keeping sights on target. But as I get older I'll likely transition more to 20 gauge, then to .410 bore and 5.56mm carbines as primary home defense firearms. I also love 7.62x39 but having seen what it does to homes in a drive-by shooting, even with soft-point rounds, the over-penetration is insane. For home defense you want to stick to lighter caliber soft point rounds in rifles. Leave the heavy caliber stuff for hunting and long-range shooting. Likewise in a 12 gauge shotgun, I stick to #4 buckshot because it gives the best compromise between minimum over-penetration and lethality (verified by FBI testing as well).
wigon I like your advise thank you
I think the short carbine would be critical to a woman using it for home defense if it reduces the weight significantly. My AR is light (7lbs) and I workout, I would have a hard time maintaining an accurate defensive position for long.
I think an AR would probably be ideal but for those of us who live in apartments, I think it over penetrates too much.
A shotgun with #4 buck is better, IMO. Pistols can penetrate quite a bit too in an apartment.
I remember...
"Not one right after the other,
cuz that would be a bad day."
Welcome stranger to my house!😇
^^ what its like to break into Jerry's house
This cat is hilarious!!
As a secondary for my wife, I have Ruger 10/22 Charger. No recoil, very accurate, and not over-penetration. The red dot helps with aiming for her. And 22lr is still deadly from 10-inch barrels as 9mm from 4inch barrels. Plus 25 rounds mag is sweet.
KSG loaded with 24 mini shells gets you the stopping power, capacity and recoil management.
Vanguard784 until you short stroke it and end up with a piece of plastic to throw at the intruder.
I’ve never put it side by side like that. It makes sense and easy to understand. Great content as usual.
Interestingly, I eventually came to the same conclusion but the AR in 11.5" pistol form in .300 black out.
I started off with a Mossberg 500 12 ga because I wanted the intruder to disintegrate.
Then I progressed to a S&W 9mm for the capacity so I could stop most of the mob.
But eventually I rationally thought it through and decided the best option was the AR pistol; 11.5" barrel, 300BO, light w/strobe and HALO red dot in solar.
The best option for a home defense/truck gun.
Crazy I went through this EXACT same progression. I guess it's just a natural evolution of gun ownership.
@@gilbertvallian559 If we are being rational and without bias it does seem to be a natural evolution.
I would probably read these comments to the intruder, He would die laughing lol
I couldn't agree more with John. I'm sharing this one for sure
I’d say 9mm carbine with hollow points
Great review of the 3. Love the Dad humor. This is why our best home defense is the Bullpup shotgun. A shotgun that is semiautomatic kicks some serious booty. The only drawback is the ever so familiar sound of chambering a round in a pump action shotgun. I think that sound in and of itself is a pretty good defense.... lol...
I never comment but I actually laughed out loud at that "longbow" joke
Typhoon Defense F12, AR Platform semi automatic shotgun w/ 10 round mag or 20 round drum mag!!! Extremely reliable and as easy to handle as an AR-15
John Wick, rents the living room and sleeps on the couch, I'm good.
Until the video actually started, I was like it doesn't matter to me. No I am not a savant on all 3 but I do consider myself an expert on all 3. I am retired US Army, (also a Police Officer during the few years I spent in the National Guard). I also competed in the Oklahoma National Guards Governor's 20 shooting competition (beat out by about 1/16th of an inch). I was glad I watched further as I get that question A LOT by new or inexperienced shooters. My go to as a well trained shooter (slacking off with ammo scarcity) is my Springfield XD-45. Thanks for the great advice and presentation.
Great content. Very informative. I’m learning a lot as a person who’s starting to weigh the possibility of lessons and eventually purchasing some sort of firearm for protection.
I’m going to have to stick with the old shotgun. I know the “spread” is not as dramatic as people want to believe. But it’s still a thing. Especially when compared to the .22 caliber bullet from an AR or a 9mm pistol. Even a .410 shotgun is going to be more effective. And I know they’re heavy and kick like being in a head on crash with a Mack truck. Especially with magnum shells and slugs. But that’s also a lot of the reason they’re so effective. They got the “POWUH”!!! And much like John says... they also have the loudest bark. So you will probably have the police on your way from the help of your neighbors...
As far as ease of use and capacity... they have AR weapons chambered in virtually all popular shotgun gauges. .410, 20 and 12. So you have the advantage of being semi auto, reduced recoil compared to a standard shotgun. As well as being mag fed so your capacity is really only limited to your physical strength to be able to hold a 20 round drum on target. Because it’s heavy for real. And as a bonus with an AR based shotgun. Your controls are virtually the same as your favorite rifle.
But the most important thing for me is stopping power. And a shotgun is as close to one shot guaranteed stop as possible. And in my opinion... That’s even with just a .410. And most people would have at least a 20 gauge if not a 12 gauge.
I was thinking, imagine 4 armed guys coming through the back door all at once. What would be most effective at hitting all the targets and stopping the threats as fast as possible. I'm picturing 5 rounds in a semi auto shotgun.
I keep all 3 close by but i agree 👍 the pistol Ar15 is alot easyier to clear a building than a longer one. Coarse when i was in the Army we used regular m16 for this.
There's techniques for pistol clearing and using non firing hand. But my mindset is a pistol is used long enough to get you to your long gun.
I have a saiga 12ga shotgun with 10rd mags i like and with its folding stock make is small enough. But im 6'4" 330 pounds so recoil isn't much of an issue nor is weight within reasonable limits. Not going to try to use a m 240. Lol
But yeah i agree 👍 small ar is a kicksss choice. That and my combat shotgun loaded with 00 buck
The best home defense weapon is:
1st -the one you can get to it in the case of emergency
2nd- the one you also know how to use and accurately shoot
3rd- is lock 'n loaded
Depends: For home defense against a single or a couple of home invaders, recoil management and multiple shots become less important. Single trigger pull stop becomes so much more important. Shotgun wins hands down. Against a horde of invaders, the AR obviously wins. Not so cut and dry. I personally have both next to my nightstand. The L4 plate carrier has the AR mags in it, because if it comes to that the AR is the one to grab. But for bump in the night, single to 3 creepers, I would pick the 930 12G every time.
On a side note for home invasion protection, I'm a young man who's been working as a carpenter and glazier (glass tradesman) in Florida for years, and I've always insisted on putting longer screws in the door frames, hinge side and jamb side, ideally at least two 3 inch screws in each hinge and whatnot. It's also (most often) mandatory to replace windows, doors and sliders with impact resistant (hurricane resistant) glass and other materials here in FL depending on how many openings you're replacing.
I've also sold a handful of jobs on the principle that it's useful as protection from home invasion. We have a video of myself and 3 or 4 other tradesmen beating a sliding glass door panel with a sledge hammer all over for about 20 minutes and we still couldn't get through it. They're made so well that some of the fire and police departments have protested against their use as it makes it extremely hard to forcibly enter a household. The firefighters have to use what's basically a chainsaw to make entry.
I personally believe everyone should have them for home invasion protection, regardless if you get tornadoes or hurricanes in your area. The actual price per window as a product ranges from $150-$400, exterior doors being about $1,000-$2000 depending on style, and not counting screws, bucking, caulking, or installation if you have someone retrofit it for you. They usually pay subcontractors $100 per window and $250-$300 per single door or sliding panel. I give the pricing so that you all know how much it would cost if you should decide to have them installed, given to you by someone who knows the industry well. The major glazing contractors will charge you $2000 or more per window and $3k-$5k per door or slider. Find someone who knows how to do it and just pay them. The only 2 states that require a glazier to have a contractors license is Florida and Connecticut.
Good luck, friends...
Are used to do construction and didn’t know that information, thanks! Really good post
I have all 3 by my pillow, but when something goes bump in the night, I always grab the laser-guided Glock 19 pistol full of 9mm Speer hollow-points. I told my wife to do the same because: (1) Under stress... It would be far easier for her to operate. Rack, pull-trigger, pull-trigger. ARs and shotguns are harder to rack w/o jamming, let alone remembering to pump after the 1st shot. (2) It's easier to maneuver and to point while opening doors, etc. (3) At indoor distances, it's not that easy to miss, especially if she remembers to turn on the laser.
A 9mm pistol has less stopping power than an AR or shotgun, but after eating (or even being missed by) a 9mm hollow-point I think there's a negligible chance that a bad-guy would come for more.
Here in Commifornia, the 10-round-magazine-limit mitigates the capacity-advantage of pistols & ARs relative to a 7-round shotgun-- though popping in a fresh magazine is easier, in the unlikely event that there's an extended firefight. The bad guys would fight-fair by using 10-round magazines also, right? :-)
I totally agree. The longest shot in my house would be about 30 feet, tops. There is no need for too much accuracy there. I think the prospect of having a long gun grabbed by the muzzle in close quarter, perhaps when trying to clear a corner, far outweigh the benefit of a rifle, or shotgun. I believe in having a gun belt, with retention holster, So I could holster if I had to for some reason and still keep the gun with me, safely. With a pistol, I could keep a person at arms length if I had to with the pistol close to the body. I think not enough emphasis is given in these discussions of non-lethal confrontations. Merely shooting someone for being in your house can present legal problems in some states. I am in California as well, and we don't have stand-your-ground to save us. What do you do if someone is outside doing something? If you go out with a rifle, and they have no weapons but try to fist-fight you, that is a problem. Now if I KNOW I will be in a gunfight, outside, then I take a carbine for sure.
Why dont you just have her practice with all 3 then you dont have to worry about her failing something as easy as putting a bullet into battery? I dont know anything about your lady and the comment is 11 months old but hopefully some practice has taken place. Sucks you are in Commifornia, except for the weather and drinks.
What's the prf code on that Glock?
Its perfect with the 33rd mag
Don’t waste precious time racking once the SHTF, have it ready before hand. If you can’t handle a loaded firearm when there is no stress, how do you expect to safely handle one when there is?
I know this is an old post....my go to is Just Right 9mm carbine...LOVE IT!!!
I think maneuverability is very important and with training i would say pistol is far greater benefit for simple home defense if you use it right..
4:51 I don’t know why, but this part keeps cracking me up. It’s pretty much my attitude dealing with claimants on my insurance claims.
Here in CA all we have to do when we have a home invaders is tell them that we have strong gun laws, so that they put down their guns/weapons and run away. I usually layer that with a sign that explains all that in front of my door in case they can read.
My home defense is as such, Shot gun (Mossberg 930 semi-auto and the Mossberg 590-A1) the 590 for the iconic sound the cocking makes (mine is custom so the sound is louder than it usually is on a regular shotgun) and the 930 for the rate of fire, then I have a smith and wesson 9mm and .45, finished with dragon skin body armor with helmet outfitted with night vison pull down goggles and a 12 inch Bowie (and that's just the blade), (Every member of the family has these exact tools fitted to them in case of an emergency, we are all properly trained and everything as well, my 14 year old daughter is the deadliest in the family) and I also have a button that sounds a really loud siren alarm that will wake up the entire neighborhood in all the bedrooms and bathrooms, and every door is made out of 3 inches of solid steel with vertical, and horizontal locking bolts with a thick steel frame, all glass is bullet proof rated for a .45 and all the walls have a 1/2 inch plate surrounding the entire area of the room, the entire house has water sprinklers for fire and there is a panic room hidden in the house itself, I have a computer system that locks all doors and windows at night and turns on all cameras and outdoor lights and motion sensors. Many of my neighbors called me paranoid and war prepared, and I tell them, "what kind of home defense would you have against a mob of liberals who think you are overly white and happy and need to be taken down a notch?"
FYI: All my friends have invested in the exact same home defense that I have installed, steel plates and all, some with even more guns and one bought a used tank for getaways, thank god all my friends are army ground pounders, one sniper trained, and the rest marines. I dare any fucking enemy (especially liberals) to come and cause some shit in my neighborhood, I taught a 93 year old grandmother how to use a 9mm with extreme accuracy, she's known as deaths grandma by the vets, hardcore lady and not someone to fuck with. So all you fucking lunatic liberals, come and cause some shit, please give me a reason to use the second amendment with impunity.
Just saw an interesting video on penetration of hollow points in a home scenario. The hollow points filled up with drywall and other building materials which caused them to act like roundnose bullets and had virtually no deformation.
Nice way of making some objective measure of each option. I think the size/layout of your house is a factor, in addition to what other occupants are in your home.
What about Bullpup .223 rifle like Steyr AUG or TAVOR which would help with handling in tighter space indoors (kinda what it was designed for)
or PDW/subgun like P90 or Scorpion EVO (dealing with accuracy and capacity issues of the pistol.
PS: hard barrier penetration isnt always disadvantage, when someone is breaking down your door and you have to shoot through it a shotgun will be far less useful than pistol or rifle, or if the intruder hides behind furniture as another example.
+Asghaad Yes to everything you said. Well done
How about my PS90? That’s my standard rifle.
I personally took that into account and my .45 mags are staggered with Winchester holo points and hard cased flat nose +p rounds from Buffalo boar I love those things
Great work , that analysis looks accurate.
But what about California, we’ve got 10 round limit and the AR magazine is unremovable without a tool.
Another comparison of Commi-Kalifornia self defense would be good to add.
You said nothing about the M69 or the Home Claymore from Lowes.
love the video John, just curious: do you carry FMJ pistol ammo for self defense? hmmmm, maybe you can do a video on your thoughts for pistol ammo for self defence like brands/weight/type etc...
redsignathletics I wouldn't put it past him if he does use fmj since he's quite lethal with fast shot placement. he could probably carry a ruger mark and still drop someone like a sack of potatoes efficiently
pandemoniummisfits agreed! still would be nice to hear his views...
Rofl, i promise he doesn't use FMJ for defensive ammunition. Only an idiot does. And John is not an idiot.
Know it’s an old video but I’d have to say a benelli m4 with the 7 round tube which will allow it to hold 9 rounds total with something like #4 or #1 buckshot would be a seriously hard thing to beat especially with a good light on it no matter if it’s a man or woman shooting it.
I think your analysis is reasonable for a new shooter, or someone with not a lot of experience. I’m extremely experienced with a 12 ga pump and am large enough even the heaviest loads don’t phase me. I can run my 12 ga pump as fast as anyone with a semiauto shotgun so it is a solid weapon choice for me, although since I got my AR15 300BLK pistol I’ve been considering it as my primary. Mr. Lovell has made some good points about the AR pistol for home defense.
In CA, the capacity numbers change a lot. 10 rounds for rifle or handgun. You could get a Tavor with 15 rounds ironically.
If you disagree, that's great... I don't really care😂😂😂
Great video and matrix for determining home defense selection. Over penetration has to be a primary concern based on rule #4 of gun safety. So not just in your house but your neighbors as well potentially. That said it’s your house floor plan that can add or detract from this index of consideration. For example I have a downstairs master that is “up-range” of the front and back door, so this may allow me to use the AR and handgun where a different floor plan wouldn’t offer this flexibility.
9mm MPX
After we adjusted for confounding factors, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 4.46 (95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.16, 17.04) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 4.23 (95% CI = 1.19, 15.13) times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault. In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 5.45 (95% CI = 1.01, 29.92) times more likely to be shot.
When we only considered independent variables that most strongly affected our models, smaller but correspondingly significant adjusted odds ratios were noted. In these reduced models, individuals who were in possession of a gun were 2.55 (95% CI = 1.00, 6.58) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Individuals who were in possession of a gun were also 3.54 (95% CI = 1.18, 10.58) times more likely to be fatally shot in an assault. In assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist,
Cool presentation - I get a kick out of the commentary and "rabbit hole" talk! Whoever said you have to STAY serious ALL the time?
Thanks John
I'm glad that you included Handling Ease on your chart. I used to regularly search my house for the things that go bump in the night. I tried using a shotgun or rifle. But opening closets, looking inside them, entering rooms, etc was awkward with that long barrel. So I settled on a pistol for investigating those nighttime noises.
This is good way to get killed if they are armed. If you really think someone is in your house you set up an ambush.
@@ironmonkey1512 But if no one is actually in the house then I sit up all night wondering about every sound I hear.
@@missouribob7850 sounds like you would benefit from a dog
@@ironmonkey1512 I had an Australian Shephard. It took a while to teach him to actually search every room. I would have friends go in the house while the dog and I were out. They would hide somewhere and the dog got lavishly rewarded for alerting me. - But I am still paranoid :) and would check the house sometimes at night.
On that @missouribob I think the alarm system is fantastic. I still have protection inside but have the house alarm set once we are in for the night. It will go off if any window is opened, broke or any door opens. Solves what you are talking about.
Best hdw for newbies:
38 +p dao revolver with 4” barrel.
Simple and reliable. The double action deters nd’s, 38+p has good close range stopping power while not being so violent in recoil (for the ladies and younger folks) and it provides some heft.
Ie; could deliver a pretty good pistol whipping vs a polymer striker fired pistol....if it came down to that.
Possibly couple that with a hand/fingerprint ID safe on the nightstand and you’re good to go.
Thats my opinion.
I tired this with my wife and she just didn’t like the “look” of the revolver. 🙄🤷♂️
So she went shopping on her own decided on a BP-9. Only semi auto she could manipulate the slide (at the time. I know about the shield ez and plan on getting her one)
Anyway my biggest issue with that shit is she consistently puts her finger on the trigger out of habit. It’s a bad one I can’t seem to break her of. If she listened to me, and gone with the revolver, this would still be an issue but much less of one as it take @3x as much effort to fire the dao revolver over the BP-9. And worse, the bp9 has lighter trigger pull than a stock glock...which she has negligently discharged once. Lucky no one was injured or killed but could have been EASILY. I’ve fought and fought with her over this shit to exhaustion and I just resigned myself to hope she never causes a problem.
The good news is (I guess) she NEVER touches it. It stays locked in a Kydex holster all the time. Either on the night stand or in the glove box. (She refuses to train with it)
I’ve pushed to have her keep One in the pipe. I’ve debated like hell on this one but at the end of the day, in most every scenario I can image where she’d use it, counting on her chambering a round is just not good at all.
So the preverbal dice will be rolled.
Ladies out there:
If you aren’t proficient with proper safety handling and manipulation of a semi auto, go with the revolver.
You loose some rounds but for fucks sake it’s safer.
And guys out there:
Don’t fall in love with an extremely independent woman who’s way smarter than you, Italian, and hardheaded as fuck. 🤷♂️🙄🔫
Agree wholeheartedly, but I'm going with the can! I'm half deaf now, don't need to lose more. SBR with a can. Why? Because I'm old and I can afford it. 🤣🤣🤣
If someone has almost no training then I like double barrel shotguns and double action revolvers with swing out cylinders, just because it is so easy to see if it is loaded or not, loading and unloading is easier (two steps), and you don’t have extra steps in use, maybe a safety on grandads goose gun but that is a single thumb control.
Once a person has training then a semi-auto 5.56 with 55 grain ballistic tip varminters, white light, and reflex sight is hard to beat. I like shotguns but for the reasons you pointed out with pump guns, the finicky nature of many semiautomatics, and the fact that most shotguns are not designed to be drop safe I tend to lean away.
By not drop safe I am referring to the fact that in Washington State at least one person a year is shot by their dog. What happens is that a water foul Hunter is in his blind when their lab knocks over the chambered shotgun and boom, half ol boys foot is now splat. You can avoid this by leaving the chamber empty (and save your hammer spring) but that is an extra action that has to be done before the weapon can be deployed.
How a 9mm carbine throughts anyone
joe Smith
A 9mm PCC definitely packs a punch, I know for a fact. I hang 8" steel plates off of a 4x4 using chains. A 4" barrel pistol knocks the plates back to about a 45 degree angle when hit. The 16" barrel carbine flips them up on top of the 4x4.
Well almost no recoil, shootable as well as a rifle within a reasonable distance, I don't see how you can go wrong unless the said firearm is a piece of junk, to begin with. My old Marlin 336 30-30 will work just as well as an AR, its an even better deer shooting rifle since I put an Aimpoint on it. I got old eyes now. It's a little more than a 223 or 5.56 but here in CT, they get bent over AR's for some odd reason.
Accessibility aside, I think its a very good compromise. One variable he didn't touch on is accessibility, which is a huge variable IMO. Pistols win in that regard. You can't easily keep an long gun safely locked in a gun case beside your bed.
Plenty of power, easy to aim, low muzzle flash and sound, it will do the job perfectly.
improb.com/best-under-bed-gun-safes/ok then, under your bed. plenty of long gun storage options giving quick access.
You left out my favorite that I use....
The XL18 flamethrower.
Criminals hate it.
So does the local fire department.
And my homeowners insurance company.
But you will find no other weapon that makes the criminal regret his life choices more than this.
My wife and I rejected the shotgun idea because of her reach. Semi auto small caliber rifle for her, I kind of like them as well, but when she was little, she used to shoot pigeons flying out of her barn. I am comfortable with her aim, once she gets back in practice.
Maybe look at it from another angle. Look at the bad points and see if you can reduce them.
Pistol, use expanding ammo, not ball. fit a laser to help with aiming.
Rifle, use a short barrel, adjustable stock, a laser or red dot.
Shotgun. use defensive ammo, reduce recoil with a 20ga instead of a 12ga, use a semiauto. Again, use a red dot or laser.
Something can be done to improve every choice. I would always have a good light (SAS guy said "bullets go where the light is shining") A good bright laser, grip activated.
At some point, you have to stop before you have a "Mall Ninja" weapon with night sights, bipod, front grip, bayonet, lights and lasers like a Christmas tree. But a good light is pretty much a must, not too bright, not too dispersed and one that is grip operated (so you don't have to think to switch it on)
Fortunately, my wife is a great shot with a double 30" barreled 12ga, a good shot with a semi auto rifle too. The one gun we have fitted with a light is our short-barreled semiauto magazine fed 12ga. It also has pop-up iron sights and a red dot. We use it for close range clay pigeon shooting in the dark 😎
Loving these comments...but all joking aside, I'm looking to get a pistol AR for home defense, and I'm torn between an Aero 11.5" and PSA 10.5 ". I'd rather have Aero, and don't think 1" would really matter, but if it helps move around doorways it might be a better option. Suggestions welcomed. Thanks John for all this video content.
My wife and older daughters have won every conflict they've ever gotten into with me so I vote, whatever they can get their hands onto...and there are many options available.
I decided on a nice bullpup 12 Guage. It can hold 20 rounds, though I prefer the 10 round mags. Drums are too bulky for my beautiful wife.
The AR is nice but busy and still oversized for in the house as its clunky to negotiate corners and a shotgun is scary for the operator as well , i lean towards the pistol and it doesn't have to be a big one, just have alot of rounds and a light. A .22 will kill you just as dead as a 9mm you just have to put a few more in'em and is very controllable and easily moved from positions inside. Outside i am definitely switching to the rifle.
ar pistol or sbr
I'd go with pistol, it seems like when anyone uses an NFA weapon in self defense it always leads to stupid court cases that never would have happened if the gun hadn't been NFA. Also if you are convicted of a crime the sentence will probably be much longer if you use an NFA weapon. Honestly an AR pistol with a stabilizing blade is the exact same as an SBR so really doesn't matter too much.
That's what I think, too. The only thing you're trading off is the ability to adjust the length back and forth. They even make pistol braces that you can adjust the length using a screwdriver to lock the length in place.
So by simply replacing the normal stock with a pistol brace, you avoid the $200 tax, the year long wait period, and most importantly the legal hassle.
Excellant comparison Sir.
I always thought a 22LR was the best home protection because of the lack of over penetration. Short and fast no recoil to speak of. The only thing is I would have to do my own calling to 911 because just the people in that house would hear it.
Bro... FNH PS90 is perfect:
Accuracy Ease: 8 or 10 w/laser
Recoil Mgmt: 9
Ammo Capacity: 12
Over Penetration: 8
Handling Ease: 9
Stopping Power: 7
If they are new shooters any gun will be new. Any gun will take as long to learn as anything else... Good instructor is priceless.
Totally my 2 cents.😂😇🤣
Stopping power of 7 with a round hardly stronger than 9mm? Wat.
@@TMega5612 yeah, funniest thing...
A .45 will sit the target on it's ass,
but a .45 is stopped by body armor.
I'd rather go right through the armor...
that's the level of stopping power I want.
I make body armor, I know what I am saying.
The 5.7 x 28 shoots well out of the PS90 and the FNH FiveseveN pistol. My guns, I know them well.
What 9 are you thinking about?
@@one-of-us9939 I mean .45 is hardly better than 9mm at stopping a target. It's fuddlore'd into some insanely powerful round, but it's hardly better than 9mm. For 9mm vs .45ACP, if you shoot 9mm better than .45, use 9mm.
5.7 will defeat some kevlar if it's FMJ and not HP/fragmenting, but if it is FMJ you lose almost all of its stopping power. FMJ 5.7 is probably inferior to HP 9mm since so many incredible bullets have been developed for 9mm (Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense, etc.). Even for armor penetration, you'd really need SS190, which is heavily regulated in the US as an "armor-piercing handgun round". Even then it's going to splash against almost all hard armor.
5.7 is a neat round but it's very niche. Without full auto or as a very-energy-dumping HP round, I really don't see a point for it.
@@TMega5612 you are right. I carry a p365 in 9.
I love it. But I also love all my guns, and that's what's great about🇺🇲... Freedom to choose. But if I go into action I want my 5.7 pistol cuz I know I could reach out 100yards with it and it's got a 20 round clip stock.
I don't think any caliber is the best, no toolbox has just one tool in it... but the 5.7 is what I choose for me at a time of conflict.
You're right tho, so many great 9mm rounds.
Best home defense; AR 15,shotgun, or pistol? All of the above! Whatever takes the invader out!
Depends on youre level of training. Personally the 40cal. Semi auto HK and a Mossberg 500 12 gauge with Combat loads is all i need for the house and car. God Bless the INFANTRY.
My perfect home defense weapon is a machete, because no one wants to fight a 300 pound naked man with a machete.
Lol, I'm stealing that... I'm also 6ft 250 and sleep naked so it works.
what if the intruder is a gay man who is into 300lb naked men?
That would depend on if you're a 300lb fat man or a 300lb lean man.
@@corynorell3686 Somewhere in between, I used to power lift in high school and college but now I also do competitive eating so I'm strong but jiggly.
I made a mini Lucille with a mini Louisville slugger... I bet one strike with that will make someone think twice.
John, I am going to have to respectfully disagree. Everyone knows that the ultimate home defense weapons system is the claymore roomba.
Dude, you might be a genius!
Claymore Roomba, wow, that even just sounds cool.
@@BeansAndBullets1391 do claymores use trip wires? Would the roomba just pull the pin out on its own claymore
@PARK well then, now that the loony toons have joined the chat I'd like to remind everyone that the only way to keep the boogie man and his globalist cronies from controlling your mind is by keeping your tin foil hat on at all times, remember the government can read your thoughts so make sure they're scrambled 🤣
@PARK yes and while the opressers disarm people of their weapons organized religion does what it has always done, disarm people's minds, think about how many times in history this dogma has been used to distract and blind faith has been used to oppress and exploit, so while you're off chasing the boogie man the real tyrants of this world are free to do as they please
@PARK cool story bro, just so you know Christianity absolutely is a religion, it's also a great collection parables and stories, not saying there's no wisdom in it but the literal notion of a man in the clouds and his magical son is all just fairy tales, now I respect your freedom of religion and belief but what I get annoyed by is the blind faith that let's you believe in things with no measurable basis in reality like the existence of a "soul" and to disbelieve things that are measurably and demonstrationally proven, it's called science, it doesn't require blind faith just an open free thinking mind, religion started as a way for man to explain a world he couldn't understand and for a while it worked but we have grown out of it, we have the technology and science to actually answer some of those questions, the but religion is used more and more as it has been for a long time to simply control people's minds and make them think stupid shit like Obama being the Antichrist, now I'm not a fan of Obama but Antichrist? Really? That's some funny shit🤣, if you think Obama is the Antichrist then who is Kim Jong Un, or who was Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, or what about Caligula, surely that crazy bastard rates higher on the might be the Antichrist scale than Obama, you Bible thumpers are hilarious 🤣
John: “If you disagree, I don’t care, that’s great.” *thumbs up*
Me: *subscribe*
Lucas Hayes same
I gave it an instant thumbs up as that same exact spot, as I had just subscribed a few second prior! That comment made me laugh and instantly like this guy.
It's pretty nice to hear a You Tuber be that honest.❤️
Literally my response
I lay micro machines on the floor, hang paint cans off strings, and ice my porch and sidewalks.
Don't forget the BB gun and the tarantula 🤣
Harry and Marv won't see it coming. Don't forget the heat element on the doorknob
Ah, the ol' Home Alone School of Tactics taught ya that one. Remember the tree house and the old man with a shovel. Classics are classics.
Lol also have an vhs of a old gangster movie with lots of machine gun noise.
Keep tha change, ya filthy animal!