Trial - Day 3 - the show of spooks
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Comment below of a country that has had their documents leaked!
All of them but China?
DUTY FIRST.
Peace.
Israel, south Korea, Ukraine All leaked by?
USA.
USA military has had classified information leak through members of there organisation countless times.
One of the most prominent examples in recent history was the global interest story of Manning being arrested for leaking classified documents to Wikileaks. This particular issue is still ongoing and is linked to the Julian Assange situation.
But to the point of whether the leaking of classified information in this instance, or many other similar instances that this public example belies, deterred other western partners from sharing intelligence with the USA. There is no basis to that claim, and on the contrary, we have seen western military alliances bolstered in the wake of this public instance of leaking, best exemplified by the AUKUS deal.
The motivations for state power cooperation is a confluence of many strategic and ideological circumstances; if credence to competence of argument is given, then to use potential diplomatic struggle as a defense in the prosecution of a whistle-blower is not only baseless, but disingenuous.
David, I can only imagine how harrowing this experience is for you, but I assume it must be galling to see the courts of Australia, which you have fought to protect, and are still fighting to protect, operate in this fashion.
All the best for you, your family, and your dog.
I know France’s President had his personal texts leaked by someone very high up in our government. Can’t remember who off the top of my head….. 😒
If you want a funny example, search up the various War Thunder leaks. War Thunder is an online military simulation game that has a legendary reputation for players leaking classified military intelligence on the games public forums to win online arguments about whose military equipment is better. So far (as I’m aware) there has been leaks on that forum from China, Russia, USA, Britain, and France. Definitely worth the reading.
.when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty
Remember this is a high profile case with spooks monitoring the comments and Sedition laws in effect. They have destroyed people for less than speaking the truth.
As a German: The Nuremberg defense isn't considered acceptable and it's mocked as a fake argument. Every soldier has a duty to his country and its people and his own conscience. This includes refusing to carry out orders that would amount to crimes against humanity. In fact, in Germany, the law is that a soldier MUST NOT follow orders that would lead to human rights violations. A soldier also MUST NOT follow orders that would definitely lead to serious injury or death. Unlawful orders are to be refused.
The fact that an Australian judge thinks the Nuremberg defense is valid is absolutely atrocious. It's a fascist argument.
In international law (particularly for war crimes), there is limited culpability: If a soldier KNOWS that his orders are unlawful, he must not carry them out.
There also is full culpability for crimes against humanity: Crimes against humanity are deemed "obviously unlawful" and any soldier carrying out crimes against humanity (e.g. massacres, genocide, apartheid, etc.) is culpable for those crimes.
The Nuremberg defense isn't a real thing. It's not considered a valid argument. A soldier must not carry out unlawful orders, no matter what their superior officers say.
Something is seriously wrong in Australia if a soldier is expected to carry out war crimes if ordered to do so.
"A soldier also MUST NOT follow orders that would definitely lead to serious injury or death." How would that work 🤨storm the mountain soldiers... nope they got guns.
I like it though, all armies should have that law.
Great comment, thanks for the enlightening us on a soldier's duty
I wonder if this and how it's spin in the mainstream murderous Murdoch press gets reported.
Must follow orders, what a sham. What about the episode friendly jordies did on the SAS member, what was the difference between him and a mid last century SS criminal.
If David McBride goes to jail I think he will need to be seperate from other inmates for fear of educating them about our political and legal system
@@NathanCroucher The key word is "definitely" (i.e. suicide missions or missions that are guaranteed to injure them). Storming a mountain might lead to casualties, but also might not in case it succeeds, so ordering it (in good faith) is a lawful order.
Wow…Nuremberg was decided wrong. Mighty big call!
Head up brother, the people of Australia owe you more than we could ever possibly repay. Keeping you in our prayers, stay strong mate.
Thank you brother what an amazing message that has filled my energy levels again.
I fight for you.
@@DavidBirdMcbridereally glad that you received the message mate, I'm just one of many Australians who are disgusted with what our government is putting you and your family through.
If there is any way we the people can support you and your family I'd really appreciate hearing about it because you deserve help mate it's the bloody least we can do.
Stay strong brother take every day as it comes and take care.
The Duty of a solider is to hold his fellow soldiers to a high standard. This includes reporting their misconduct. This includes stopping their misconduct. This includes arresting their ranking Officers for their misconduct. This has always been the Duty of a solider and will remain so no matter what this judge thinks.
Stand in truth David. The courts need to stand in truth as well. 😢
in the country where the term 'kangaroo court' is most appropos & fitting
Ha ha, nice one! Hadn’t even occurred to me 😂
Rules are for obedient fools but are guidance for Wise Men- Sir Douglas Bader
Douglas Bader
@@archerten auto correct got me again, will edit now
So what did Bader do because he was neither obedient or wise. Guess he made up his own like the arrogant twat that he was.
I think the line originally came from Bader's CO but was used by Bader to get back into the Flight Training school at Cramwell??? It's been many years since I read Reach For The Sky.
Who's paying this judge 💰 What a jaw dropping statement. Love and prayers to you David ❤🙏
It’s very telling that successive governments prioritise protecting corruption by punishing morality. The irony is if the war crimes has been diligently investigated from day one, many of us would be more supportive and trust these institutions more, not less!!
Judge sounds like a company man through and through. He better hope to who/whatever that he never ends up on the receiving end of a severe military intervention where the soldier was just "doing as he was told". This shit makes me sick to the stomach. Wish you all the best David.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark when criminals walk freely and unmolested by the law yet a man of honour and morality is being prosecuted for shine a light on their crimes… justice is truely an ass
Doesn't our tax pay for the army and this judge? As an emergency services worker I thought I was working for the people, not the health minister.
We're all with you, David. Do not go gentle...
You are a bloody Hero mate. I am glad you have got a sense of humor. Great aussie.
Best of luck with the rest of the trial, David! You're doing the right thing. Let's hope they can see that
It's absurd. It is in the national interest. The government interest is embedded in corporate interest. Corporate interest is global shareholders. Research politicians share folios, former corporate jobs, upcoming corporate jobs etc.. Where does their interest lay, with the majority of Australians, or with their pockets?
The judge is supposed to be impartial. This is proof that this judge is not fit for purpose.
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Stay strong brother, you are a real hero. Your actions gave me the strength to fight and win my own battle.
You are exactly right. Thanks for standing up for it. Good luck mate, Australia is watching.
we're all rooting for you
Thank you.
Keep up the good fight David. Much love.
Watching from Portugal, but like someone once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." You did the right thing, and although platitudes can't make it easier for you to bear the consequences of standing up to corrupt institutions, I hope you'll take some measure of comfort in knowing that you serve as an inspiration for others anywhere in the world to do the right thing. Even, especially, when it is so difficult to do so. Best of luck mate, we'll be watching.✊
thank you for your courage and good fight you will beat this corrupt system good luck David
Authority serving authority itself!
Your bravery is helping modern Australia protect it's integrity. The bufoons in government that would do you harm are being written into history as criminals.
May God get you the justice ❤you deserve. Dark times in Australia 😢
Thank god for strong angels like you
My fingers are crossed for you. I hope that justice properly prevails and that you go free.
Best of luck mate. You're an admiral man and have done Australia a huge service. I've told everyone I can about your trial and situation, you have supporters everywhere!
There may be a big stain over the reputations of Dreyfus and Albanese not to mention a fascist loving judge when the dust settles
Good luck David. Everyone I have spoken to about this, including military families, believe you did the right thing. Keep strong
Good on ya David, out here cheering for you
We're behind you, David.
The commonwealth IS the people
A normal bloke, serving your country with honor and a Labor government, who should be supporting the Aussie battlers, throws all its might and power into trying to destroy your life and lock you away. This will be a huge stain on Labor. I honestly thought they'd throw this ambush into the rubbish bin and stop this nonsense.
Our thoughts & prayers for you, David.
Trumps toilet collection in Mar-a-Lago $$$???
Dedicated prayers for you David 🙏 🙏🙏 lighting candles 🕯 🕯🕯⛪️ ⛪️⛪️ and asking for Divine Protection from Archangel Michael ✨️🧿💫💪🕯
David, take solace that whatever way this goes people are seeing bit by bit how weak the moral compass at the top of this country is and one day, hopefully before long, it'll reach a critical mass that starts to see the rug pulled out from under those who aren't fit to stand on it.
Something concerning that I've noticed though in bringing this up with people more proactively over the last few days, is that quite a few people have the Ben Roberts Smith story in their heads alongside the justification, "who are we to judge what our military *have* to do?" (Paraphrasing, but its a consistent variation on those lines - anyone else noticing this?). I'd say to anyone else also trying to bring this to people's attention beyond their regular social sphere: steer people gently around. I'm finding that a mention of how the government has harped on about 'whistleblower protections' in recent past paired with something like 'just imagine seeing something illegal in your workplace and using your available whistleblowing channels only to be dragged before a court for it would feel" gives people pause, along with 'hypotheticalising' that the actual criminal elements see no such scrutiny. It gives some people pause, and thats when to pivot to not having to use any imagination about it at all if your names David McBride.
Governments should not do anything in secret.😊 2:12
your talking about the military and the pollies....you expect something better?
The problem is that people have forgotten about Common law,law of the people. When you enter the court room you are under Admiralty law, law of the bankers. Law of the pirates!
Common law is what you need!
"I was just following orders" makes the Senior Service look like fools.
Surely preventing future war crimes would constitute preservation of life, or at the very least harm prevention. Wether it is a matter of saving Afghani lives, or preventing the suicides that occur once the fog of war clears and veterans have to come to terms with their actions. I think it would be far worse to keep quiet and effectively become complicit in these crimes.
With you brother ❤
Keep your chin up, mate
Um David, I am a member of the public and I am interested in this therefore it *is* in the public interest and I am prepared to testify to that *in court* on your behalf.
Foreigner see the sort of thing like this judge say and laugh at Australian Justice for the joke it is
Surely a jury is going to call bullshit on this. I don’t know anyone who thinks this isn’t completely fucked.
Agreed 💯This is where i always felt his one true chance for justice is and why i have not given up hope 🙏🤞
A couole of years ago in the UK, a senior official working in the MoD named Lapsley left top-secret documents at a bus stop. They were found by a member of the public and handed in to the BBC.
They apparently covered UK navy vessel locations and stuff about Afghanistan.
Most people suspect it was a dead drop that went wrong when a well-meaning member of the public found the documents rather than their intended recipient.
Lapsley claimed it was an accident and was promoted to a position in Brussels...
Shortly afterwards, a UK navy vessel was almost hit by a Russian missile 'test' or something like that. I can't remember all the details but you can probably goggle the details.
But UK still in 5 eyes... so didn't affect their standing
Good luck 👍
Hardly a week goes by without the online forums connected to the game "War Thunder" having a fresh injection of secret US military documents.
Dear Prime Minister.
Today I’m driving from Sydney into the southern highlands.
I used to drive Remembrance Driveway very regularly to take school children to Canberra as a coach driver to give them a tour to show them the fundamentals of what it means to be an Australian.
As I see the rest areas named after deserving servicemen and women; recipients of the Victoria Cross medal. Todays drive feels different.
What does a VC mean? Does it mean anything?
I used to be confident that BC recipients were the most honourable people that deserved my reflection and Australian pride.
Is a person still honourable if their dishonourable acts are private? Are they still honourable and deserving of recognition for valiant conduct of their crimes are secret?
The prosecution of David McBride diminishes my confidence that each recipient of any accolade may not actually be deserving of that award, recognition, reflection or my patriotism.
My Australianism feels wounded with this gross misuse of justice. I don’t even feel like watching Australia play in the cricket because of the hurt caused by your government in this instance.
At the entrance of every defence facility there are large signs which state the values of Australian troops. One of those signs reads “integrity”
Integrity is meaningless of you are punished for displaying acts of integrity.
Mr McBride’s actions were not necessarily whistleblowing; they were a careful act of utmost integrity.
All Australians have this deep sense of righteous inside their souls and sometimes that sense of righteous and commitment to integrity.
The prosecution of Mr McBride is the prosecution of being Australian. If found guilty; he has committed the crime of being Australian; committed the crime of displaying and executing utmost integrity.
If the conviction of Mr McBride is so important for you to appear as a strong leader then that is a legacy that you need to embrace Mr Albanese.
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China, Germany (Rosenholtz), Japan... wikipedia
a hero
If the Americans are worried about consiencous Australians leaking their secrets maybe they should either A not tell us about their war crimes, or B stop commiting warcrimes. I'm certainly a fan of that second one.
Free David Now !
i wrote to a senator and an mp . is that physical/digital proof of public interest? I hope that one day soon, we all will be celebrating your success. Take care
I'd be more worried about our future reputation as the US's flunky and being complicit in just as many human rights abuses and warcrimes. Like murdering the people you're meant to have entered the country to protect a d trying your dampness to ignore it ever happened.
well at least now we know this judge is fkn joke 🤡 wishing you strength dave!
Post a country that has had no leaks...
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The judge is saying if you are ordered to commit war crimes, then you must do that??
Did I hear this correctly? A judge in Australia in 2023 actually defended the nuremberg defense??
Illegitimi non carborundum David.
To say that you are not acting in the interests of the nation is a joke. Just whose interests are the military and politicians acting on behalf of? It definitely is not the national interest....corruption and arse saving seems the order of the day. Anyway are the persons who actually committed the war crimes going to be gaoled for their part... probably not.
We don't want or need America's secrets. Not at the cost of the lives of decent Australian citizens like yourself. Not at the cost of the integrity of our legal system or the professionalism of our military.
You can be an ally that disagrees. You can be an ally that stands up and says, no this not in OUR best interests, this is not what Australia is about.
Judge David Mossop believes the Nerumberg defense holds merit and that duty to the military above the people of this country is paramount...seems impartial -_-
"Justice Mossop said he would be directing the jury, which had been expected to be empanelled on Thursday, that McBride had no duty to act in the Australian public interest in circumstances where it conflicted with orders".
Hopefully the Jury secretly supports you and finds you not guilty.
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Well David, if you ever wondered what the people who managed the holocaust were like well your curiosity may have been answered.
Stay Deadly David.
saying a soldier needs to obey their officers without compromise is pretty fascist :P can anyone think of any genocidal maniacs who worked in this way from the 20th century? :P someone with name starting A, ending with dolfHitler?
arguing that you don't have a duty to the people of the nation is an absolute joke - really hoping your appeal goes well dave!
Bias judge is biased.
Absolute clown show - keep laughing!
Geez if your lawyers speak half as intelligently as you, surely the prosecution side will neck themselves rather than continue. there's too many more respectable ways they could feed their kids.
Hi David, I have been a casual follower of your channel and may not be across with all the details - but I understood what you have been charged with was that you disclosed information to journalists about the investigations of possible war crimes by aust soldiers as you believe those soldiers should be better protected from potential prosecution ?
Leak risk is a valid argument though. This is the reason why they don't leave it up to individuals to make decisions whether they release sensitive info publicly. This is the entire reason you're in this position. And you still don't get it.
We the people are supporting what you are accused of ..
Its a war what do you expect,