The Future
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Today, we're chatting about Destiny 2's latest episode, Echoes, as well as the overall future of the franchise and what we think the future holds.
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I’m indifferent to staying with D2 or getting a D3, but if we do get a D3 it needs to be designed from the beginning to last over 10 years. I’m fine with a D3, but I don’t want to ever hear about a D4, D3 needs to be the final game and the entire next saga should be part of that game.
@@Forcer69 Thank you.
Either way, you're still going to be jobless in your parents basement.
Not gonna lie I no lifed Destiny 2 with a full time job and it got ugly smfh 10 to 12 hours a day Saturday and Sunday smfh@@colby8104
The problem with Destiny 2 right now is a new player will never understand this game. I don't think there is another game out there that is this bad. Especially that Bungie doesn't explain anything.
What you are saying with Destiny 3 has to be built from the ground up is spot on. Even after five years of a hypothetical D3 launch the original tutorial still has to work. The original menus still have to work. Destiny 2 is such a Frankenstein thing at this point. Because nothing was planned out back in 2017. They made everything up on the way. Absolutely unacceptable
Asking for a COMPLETE restart of the story is fucking wild. I don't care if d3 comes out. But do not fucking restart the story bro. Who cares if episodes are seasons I agree with cross with the loss of timegates it'll be like a mini expansion. People whine and cry and beg and beg for more when people need to fucking chill out. I get wanting more story but people are impatient and whiny
“Look at all the stuff I’ve been grinding for” and 99% of it never gets used.
Yeah I'll never get it from these players. Guns sitting in their vault for 3-4 years without a single shot fired, but they have to hang on to it for dear life.
"I've grinded for years to get all of this stuff and only use the weapons earned in the last 5 months"
@@TeKnoVKNG23 bc there speical thats the point
Its a game about collecting mate.
@@TeKnoVKNG23only to realize that they can’t hang on to it for dear life or rather they never did cuz it’s all digital.
Those 3 down weeks where the only thing to do was “wait until act 2” really did a number on the community.
Honestly lol
'We survived Lightfall' will stick in my head until the end
it's a real ass quote tho lol, something to remember
Lightfall had better player retention 1 month in than TFS.
TFS had a great story but not much endgame content apart from the new raid and boring dual destiny farming rn 🤷♂
@@dine2847 I'm thinking a lot of the players they couldn't retain from TFS were the more casual crowd that just wants to experience the story and dabble in endgame content. They finished the story and left.
At some point we need some meat. We need, a better PvP experience, a better content delivery model throughout the year, we need more replayable content, especially in the core playlists.
A lot of these features we've had in the past, even in d1.
@@dine2847i mean what else is there lol, no matter what ppl will get what they want and say theres no grind or grind and say theyre tired;its almost impossible to gauge it
@@dine2847 have you played TFS? There is so much to do after the campaign, 6 missions, 12 lost ghosts, 6 Cysts, Microcosm, Ergo Sum, Class Items, and things I can't remember right now
I believe Dr. Seuss' quote is a genuine piece of advice here, *"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened."*
I am extremely happy and proud where this game started and where it is now. In this day and age where some games just virtually die in 1 patch or on launch day. I played this god damn game in middle school and I believe most reading would feel this sentiment. It's just an emotional journey and we don't want to let go of it, but we should remember to look behind our shoulder and see how far it has gone and be glad the memories and feelings and emotions it has cemented in our brain. Our brain is so powerful to replay those emotions and feelings and it's scary how powerful the mind truly is the more you think about. My favorite memories will always be getting the Hammer of Sol the first time. The feeling of being invincible having access to the last element that the other 2 classes had and if felt illegal. Seeing the hive get light powers the feeling of dread and betrayal and the anticipation of showing them what the "crucible is all about". I will forever cement this game as one of my favorites until I grow old and die. This game will literally be MY boomer shooter to my grandkids. It's weird being in that position now and it feels comforting knowing how some of my older relatives might've felt when they shared a memorable game they had in their childhoods.
Yeah but the money lol
We've all spent alot on this game, time wise and cash.
I kinda want an overhaul but not a full reset.
It's just so much to toss away lol 😢
You know, I’ve done this with my clan now that the game is slowly losing steam as it went full circle, and I can tell you what it’s great. We (my most consistent fireteam) went through and talked about some of our favorite moments in Destiny 2 together. The first that came to me was when we beat day 1 kingsfall, and although while not the hardest, definitely was very difficult for us as it was my first real attempt at a day 1 raid. I remember running upstairs to celebrate with my brother as we spent all night running it. We’re celebrating and hugging and I’m like dude why is it so bright outside, to which he calmly responded, “that’s the sun you idiot”. That’s something that really meant a lot to me. Other moments are two and three man raid moments (shout out trio vow exhibition) but also some of my random raid shenanigans. We made a wheel of unlucky options and I won’t forget raiding on 1 sensitivity or someone learning bumper jumper on the fly. Overall, the time I spent was worth both it and the money. Unfortunately for me, my brother made peace with the game after we beat salvations edge. He’s done with destiny and it’s a little sad because unironically the game is what finally started our friendship. This game did a lot for the both of us and we have clan mates who are planning to fly out for his graduation in 2 years. Just a cool game that was fun to play.
@@PeanutButterGyrfalconsunk cost man
Well said! 👏🏻
@@PeanutButterGyrfalcon thats the price we pay for video game man , especially when its an online game its gonna come to an end
I swear we get one of these videos every dlc launch
Recycled content even in TH-cam videos
ong it’s tiring
A part of me wants to grind for everything all over again but an even a bigger part of me doesn't want to farm everything back for 5 years
So you play the game purely for the loot? You wouldn't want a new game for the sake of having new better content to use that loot you'll gain to play through? What if we could fly our ships in the next game? Would you really have your current game with your current loot than an actual new way to play our favorite game series?
If it's a true restart, it'd be accompanied by brand new mechanics, archetypes, progression systems. While I understand the emotional attachment, it would make the game feel fresh. It would offer an opportunity for new players and vets alike to explore together. If D2 ends up like D1, it can be played when you want, all your guns and stuff would remain THERE, and NOT in a new game. Anything less would kill the game's loot chase immediately
@@jackburkel4119yes
@@jk5385 and? I aint grinding again
@@jk5385loot chase boo hoo
I want my cosmetics to carry over, thats it.
Underrated comment im not bothered about earnable stuff but what about stuff i paid for...
T H I S @@davidstirk164
Exactly. If all my fashion is carried over I am all for a destiny 3.
@@davidstirk164 Yeah. Considering how big amount of FOMO we have with many cosmetics, I wouldn't like to leave them ever. Some people say, that you'd still be able to play Destiny 2 if 3 would be released, but... Who would like to play a live service game stuck in a maintenance mode, where nothing new would ever happen anymore?
Preach, I really don't want a year 1-3 case where everyone looked the same. Also, so much money is put into cosmetics and spent on them as well
Here’s my personal theory:
These three episodes (echoes, revenant, and heresy) is humanity cleaning up or getting our house in order and then frontiers is going to be all about leaving the Sol system to expand our new alliance. Helping our allies reclaim their home worlds (Riis for Mithrax and house light and Torobatl for the cabal) and turning them into other capitals for our alliance. This could also allow us to potentially visit places like Fundament or other places that we have heard about in the lore.
That’s just my theory though.
That would be sick. I fuck with it.
I think it's pretty obvious that's what's happening, but I imagine we're not going to fundament, riis or torobatl until d3. Frontiers is blatantly going to set the scene to go to these places, but we won't go until d3.
I feel like thats very obviously what they're setting up, frontiers is a very on the nose name IMO, but I don't think we'll be leaving sol until D3, and I think that might be the base game campaign for the next game.
In addition to your theory tho, we already know that we'll be going back to the dreadnought for episode 3 because something fucky is going on there, and I think we're going to kind of take over the dreadnought for ourselves, and that's what we'll use to go to other systems in D3.
@@tyjames3339 yeah I think that’s a very obvious thing that we are probably going to commandeer the dreadnought and use it for our own purposes.
Also I’ve seen multiple people say that the planets thing wouldn’t be til D3 and, don’t get me wrong I would love for D3 to be in development, but with bungie stretching themselves between these different projects we’ve heard about and trying to get Marathon ready to launch I just don’t really see D3 happening that soon. Again, I hope I’m wrong because I would love a D3 but that’s just my thoughts. I think they could maybe buy some time by having Riis and Torobatl as destinations like mars in the current game and then have base D3 in the future be some new threat challenge the alliance during their time of peace. Maybe by attacking the three capitals (Earth, Riis, Torobatl) all at the same time.
But at the end of the day I’m just a fan of the game theorizing for the future. I don’t know what will happen
@@tyjames3339 I could buy that one spinfoil theory that Bungie's going to essentially use the plot of us on the road to nuke the Tower and close off a lot of current planetary locations to retire places and add in new ones. There was always that leak that even played into a few old lore pieces(Osiris Prophecies, Psion predictions from the one exotic quest, etc) that the Tower wasn't safe nor would the Red War be the last time the Last City really got slammed. I wanna say the theory was that Xivu would destroy the Tower. It wouldn't shock me in the slightest if Bungie really just tried to keep a lot of stuff to tabs on the star map and less interactive space since the Tower already is a bit of a whatever place holder and this game still has never really had any MMO server familiarity or community in game social space that meant anything.
I’m with cross. I didn’t buy original destiny for a couple of weeks after it released. Was genuinely uninterested. Until I played it on my lunch break at a friends house. The gunplay and movement felt so good. Been hooked since
For me, it's not destiny itself. It's me, I am 28 and my habits and the things I want in life are changing. I do miss when I was 18 and the excitement I felt when I saw a Xur video and realized he was selling Icebreaker. I miss that feeling of excitement. In destiny 2 right now it is still fun but there's only so much hours in the day that I kinda wanna just go out and live a little more than to just game at the house.
I feel the exact same. And Destiny just requires too much time. Time that I don’t really want to give to it anymore
Realest comment here and the fundamental perspective most people are missing
Seasonal models suck in general when major lore is removed at the end of the year. New players are extremely confused as to what the hell is going on in this “evolving” world
Yeah but its a necessary evil because before seasonal stories we had basically no character development or arcs for like 95% of the cast, and most of the stuff we DID get was lore tabs that most people didn't read. Cayde-6 was the only character anyone cared about for the longest time because everyone else was just completely one dimensional. People love Crow but until TFS his entire arc happens in Seasonal stories and lore tabs lol. Expansions like Forsaken were also built up through lore tabs rather than actually in game, so if you played Red War and then went to Forsaken without reading the right lore you'd have no idea why this random jail break is happening.
Wish there was some kind of rotator where an old season comes back for a few weeks so people can actually play those stories again instead of being told to go youtube some fan compilation. People shouldn't need to rely on fan resources to understand whats going on y'know? It'll probably never happen though because the games file size would probably balloon to 300gb and be impossible to manage.
@@Ryna113 its not a necessary evil, either make a new game, or overhaul the engine so deleting content we paid for stops.
@@kryppo4245, always thought they should’ve just ended D2 at shadowkeep, tried their best to make a D3 with all of our gear, if they can, then the rest of the DLC should’ve just been D3 the darkness would’ve been more daunting if you had two games full of light and one where you crossed the line
@@Ryna113 It's not a necessary evil, just do expansions like every other MMORPG. Removeable content is for events and themed gear, not major story plot points.
@@void-master9077 That would have been the complete end of the entire franchise if they did that. Ending D2 at one of its lowest point in terms of income means Bungie would never have had the immense capital investment necessary for a whole new game.
If a Destiny 3 were to come out it’ll just be years of D1 and D2 content being added over time and it’ll be missing some QoL features D2 has then we’re back in the same boat in a couple years.
Its weird to me how everyone forgets what the D1 and D2 launch were like, fun until you reach end game, and then theres no end game, then its like that for a year and D2 specifically was shit up until the forsaken dlc (im not sure how many years that was) for me the games run its course if it jumps to D3 tbh
people think a d3 sounds nice then BOOM they have to do the 4th thorn quest they've done in their life.
Exactly. People would complain about not having their beloved [insert D1/D2 weapon/activity here] back, or complain about needing to grind for the best weapons/armour again. And when Bungie inevitably brought those things back, it would just keep snowballing.
Meanwhile the other half of people would be whining about all the reskins/reprises we get. i.e the exact criticism D2 has been getting for years.
There’s no way people can genuinely believe that a ‘complete restart’ with a D3 would last
At this point I agree. Theres no way for improvmenets to be made in a sequel. They ALWAYS have to start from ground zero and re add everything. Thats why sequels suck they never add anything its just the same thing from the start every time.
@@edwardrichard8093do you mean all sequels or just live service because there's a big difference. Borderlands, diablo, last of us, god of war, etc all have small or drastic upgrades from their sequels from story to gameplay. In terms of a live service game then yeah that would annoying but bungie cant handle their own game so we do need something to happen beside sunset.
It would be nice if we would be able to actually go back and complete previous campaigns..
And places.
Heck even old strike versions.
I remember before Lightfall the red legion strikes still had Cayde-6's voice actor in them.
"I'll say what others won't" proceeds to say what tonnes of others have been saying for ages.
Others might want but nobody was saying
@@wellno9317Meylin said that day one of Echos. People have said it before TFS came out.
Kinda the MO of seemingly recent Aztecross.
@mikes908 That's what I was thinking lol
The community has been talking about a D3 since before D1 lmao
As a returning playing with final shape i understand the folks who are burnt out on this destiny 2 model currently. but coming from other games that are currently falling apart with no content release cycle or any clear idea as to what is ahead for the next 8 to 12 months. i am over the moon with what destiny 2 has to offer me after being away for 3 years. in those 3 years i played new world for 3000 hours i grinded that game and the devs have given up on it. i know destiny doesnt have the best rep from the long time players currently but i think that there is alot here still. im having fun with the echos content. once the acts story cycles come out together instead of week to week i think things will flow a little better. i dont want to call the destiny 2 players spoiled but this game has a very organized structure to its content release cycle and it is a breath of fresh air coming from a game like new world. where a road map is put out and all but like 3 items are psuhed to later releases or thrown out all together. things might be different atleast for me once i get through the 3 years of content i havent completed yet but for now im here to stay and im back to game i called home for 6 to 7 years.
Finally someone says it. People don't realize how well destiny is structured until you play other games. I love warframe, which is destiny's only competitor, but how poorly it's laid out is what made me realize destiny's structure is pretty darn good. Destiny players are pretty spoiled overall and just don't realize it even though bungie has room to improve.
People are complaining cause they grind the entire content in 1 or 2 days and then complain when there's no more content. And it's like - well, there are players out there who don't grind the content immediately within 1 or 2 days. We take our time with it, and enjoy it. If you grind content quickly, go for it, but understand that it caters to everybody.
@@cerebralassassin2185 as a new world player for 3 years the devs did their best to keep up with content. the started the seasonal model to help and it worked for a bit but they started botching lauches deyalying launches and killing hype for the game. in December of 2023 they told players hey we know there are issues please give us till may we will have an announcment and updates to help resolve the issues. may comes they tell us to wait til games fest at the start of june they got a big center stage change to share all the changes and roadmap for the future. all they told us in june was the game was come to console ( which had leaked months ago that they were working on it). 6months of waiting and really noting besides the servers you play on will be dead come september because we are lauching new servers to get the console players a clean start and if you want to join those players you need to make a new character. i know bungie has had its ups and downs through the years but this game has stood the test of time and im glad to be back
I played New World for 1k hours myself. It's an actual dog shit game with actual shit code. People do not at all have any concept on how good Destiny actually is.
@@matinknight9527 Stop. if the content takes 1 day (and thats generous) to grind out how the hell are you supposed to take my time with it? What take 10 steps into the first mission and then wait and check my vault?
If Destiny 3 comes out eventually, Bungie needs a type of war table like in Helldivers 2, where a particular event happened on certain planets, reclaiming land from a specific faction on those planets, and having a type of gamemaster instead of being a static world where the vast majority of events are explained through dialogue
I don’t want another reissued Hung Jury. A new installment would mean rebinding things we have now.
Also, base D2 was empty. Imagine having to build things up again.
base d2 was empty because they had the sequel being developed right after house of Wolves in D1. Thats why even though Taken King and Rise of iron released D2 still followed the same "2 crap expansions, 1 big to fix the game" thing that they used previously
People love to assume the worst lol
@@FloomLaBoomno no no, you can't demand Bungie to make new things that's too difficult for this studio. Heavily reusing assets is an industry wide practice right!?
@@FloomLaBoom I’d love for them not to be. But consider what’s be given to us from D1, or what’s been taken from D2 then regifted again. I’m not saying I wouldn’t be there to check D3 out, but c’mon, everything about it would have to be new and bold and I can’t see that being delivered in the base game.
@@jackburkel4119 >People love to assume the worst
Bungie has proven time and time again since D1 through D2 til now that they will 100% F you over because they 100% do not care about you, the player.
This is reminiscent of Guild Wars 1 dying for GW2. All these years later people still play GW1. The “team”build crafting in GW was awesome. Being able to add hero’s and customize their entire build for battles was epic for solo players. No LFG needed.
Real G for gw1
Always makes me happy to see Guild Wars mentioned. Either game, because both are amazing.
I think that ArenaNet has it easy with how solo friendly GW1 is. They can keep the game on maintenance mode and it will retain its core fun and charm. I feel like as soon as D2 gets replaced, it will die. Assuming, of course, Bungie doesn’t fuck up a game launch three times in a row. You would have to think they’d learn their lesson the third time around.
My most played game of all time. At launch, I tried to convince my parents to pay monthly of WoW. They refused and got me Guild Wars instead. Changed my life. Saving up money and walking to Circuit City after work, to buy the expansions. I love GW1. GW2..... I couldnt get into it. A shame.
@@terrellvelazquez6367 TBH, a Destiny 3 would only be even worse than D2. People think they want sequel MMO, but they absolutely do not want what it would have to be. MMOs are immense investments, so if you shelf it to make a separate sequel instead of an update, you're wasting a ridiculous amount of money and risk bankrupting yourself as a developer. Bungie probably cannot afford this in the first place.
Till this day, I haven't enjoyed a game more than I did Guild Wars 1.
I skipped Lightfall and came back for Final Shape. Final Shape was perfection and I loved playing it for the first few weeks. It's over now and so is my time with Destiny. I love this game and I love the memories, but enough is enough. I am tired of grinding a game likes it a job, I'm tired of spoon-fed content, and I'm tired of Bungie whiplashing us back and forth on the quality of their product. It's going to take A LOT to bring me back to this franchise. What they did in Final Shape was the perfect ending to the game and I feel content with my time exploring it. Now that it's over I'm going to play literally anything else and cherish my time. Thanks for the memories Destiny.
Destiny: The Dark Age. We make new characters hangout with warlords and iron lords bump into some recognizable characters. The Drifters bar, Shax's castle, felwinter wearing felwinters helm. Could be a fun stand alone prequel like Reach.
I think that's the best way to do it
holy for lore heads that would be massive to get a visual of what it looked like, it wouldnt happen i dont think but omg would it be amazing
I really like this idea. if D3 every happens and its a continuation from D2 I don't think id jump on board for that. But a new game set in a completely different era of destiny sounds very fun and id 100% be on board for that. Lots of potential in that idea.
@@princesstoni8116 unless they rettcon all the current lore
That would be AWESOME
It’s not an inventory issue, the vault is filled with ergo sums and classiteams, they should have put those two in the crafting and allowed traits to be unlocked like catalysts from just playing.
I think one of the most important parts of this outside of a revamp to how gameplay would work, is the update to the visual pallette.
We have been seeing more and more weapons that are obvious reskins of prior weapons, often in cases where it hadn't been common; patrol, seasonal, raid weapons..etc. These were mostly newer models or at least weren't obvious, but with a new game, we would likely get a complete refresh. Even if things are getting better, when weapons are sharing so many similarities, it can often feel like we aren't moving forward as much as we are.
I want them to go back to the guardianpunk action figure artstyle, no more of this attempt at realistic textures and models and such
Even if they did have a sequel. It would be the same model.
A sequel won't fix seasons or episodes.
That is the whole purpose of trying episodes.
But episodes are just slightly longer seasons, they aren't meaningfully different.
Nope. The point is to improve the game. A whole new game means a whole new start. A whole new start, the whole point of anyone mentioning D3 at all is because it gives Bungie an opportunity radically change, and revolutionize the game. That means a new engine and more creative and design freedom. The problem is thinking of the future of Destiny strictly from a "D2 exactly as it is and has been" perspective.
@redblue4127 if they were to do that, we wouldn't get that game till like 2026 the earliest
I think the community finally needs to accept that having ONE game to play every day, for every week of every month is just not feasible at the scale of Destiny 2, you can't even throw more resources or money into it with the current technology D2 is made of it will never be able to deliver content in a way to satisfy those every day players. IMHO Bungie should completely drop their FOMO model, because I believe that's the source of the problem.
If d2 had no FOMO, people would be much more willing to drop it for a couple of months to play other games and then come back to catch up on an entire season/episode/whatever for a couple of weeks, that would fix everything that players are feeling right now, even the hardest of hardcore players would have weeks of catching up on grinding before taking a break again.
But if Bungie keeps having a lackluster drip fed delivery of content while simultaneously trying to keep players playing every day of every week... well, the game's gonna die.
@@redblue4127blah blah blah we heard that before with D2 at the end of D1
100% agree that Episodes and Seasons are exactly the same thing. But honestly, screw Gladd. I have never seen a video from him not complaining about Destiny. I don't go seeking his content, but I didn't even think this guy still played, so who the hell cares.
Fair
He is notorious for bad takes and a poor attitude. Haters don’t spawn for 0 reason lol
Gladd wants a full refresh so he can sit on twitter and milk engagement by crying about having nothing to do again
I just don’t understand why we are having this conversation right now. It’s the post expansion episode, it’s not even (time wise) half way done, we haven’t been able to fully experience what the “episode” model offers - we haven’t seen the act 3 activities, the new exotic mission that they keep saying will be incredible, and they’ve already committed to changing how story beats drop for episodes 2 and 3. All this talk of “the current grind sucks, I want a new game… where I can…. Grind…”. I’ve gotten to the point as a player where I’ve muted the term destiny on Twitter and unfollowed almost all creators, because it seems like nothing, will EVER be enough the majority of the speaking heads in the destiny community. We just came off the end of a 10 YEAR story arc. It’s going to take time to build up to the same level of suspense and intricacy that we’ve had in story telling for the past 3-4 years. Despite the critical acclaim many people had, singing the praises of the final shape, here we are a few months later, back to the same disgruntled calls for “more. More. More.” At this point, I’m not even convinced people like Gladd actually even EVER liked playing destiny. I think they’ve learned how to monetize anger and greed, and that’s all they do.
The main issues people have are:
- burnout, and episodes are not doing anything to help with that to be honest
- same structures as season but with more timegating which.... is precisely what people where complaining about, too much timegating (alteast ep2 will have less timegate)
- narrative feels weak (because you are setting up something new doesn't mean you can't have compelling or strong narrative)
- seasonal activities and battlegrounds... again....
Didn't we have a new start with D2, with nothing carried over. And look how spectacular that was!
I like the sarcasm lol
Yep and then we spent the next 3 plus years re earning exotics we already had
Yeah that's why it's funny to see so many wanting a D3...they threw a fit when they had to start over last time with none of their gear from the first game. I'll never understand the want/need to play with the same guns/weapons you've been using for 5+ years. Destiny players ask for new all the time, get it, and then complain nonstop because it's not what they already had.
So many streamers have forgotten D2 Year 1. If they got that fresh start, it would kill the game like it did with D2
That problem isnt even because a new game came out. It was just because the new game happened to not be good. Its two seperate things
Honestly I feel like the best play would be to take everything from D1 and everything that was vaulted in D2 and bring it to D2, so we can play through the entire light and darkness saga beginning to end in D2. Then "Frontiers" could be D3, which could give us a fresh start, and D2 would still be around and supported for anybody that wants to continue to play D2.
Yes, this, mostly
The problem with episoded is that the pacing is identical to seasons except we have a month long gap in between acts that has no reason to exist
If someone tells me that they wish to see The Future, I’ll send them this video
I’ve never been bored with Destiny and I’m not one to need to be fed continuous content. There’s always something I haven’t chased yet and I invent my own adventures when not being led specifically by a quest chain because it’s a sandbox, a canvas upon which to dream and play.
Destiny is the most valuable, funnest, most hours played, for more years, game of my lifetime so far. I love continuous universes that MMORPGs are so good at. I’m still replaying missions in Destiny 1 even haha. It never gets old.
I don’t need a D3. Just keep going with D2 because I’m not done with everything I hope to do and see. Can’t wait for more of Oryx’s throne-world-ship to return.
Did you play Year 1 D2? Cause that was a moment where it really felt like nothing mattered, literally not a ton to physically do, and things played like crap with Bungie constantly changing what they wanted to do with the game.
We need more like you. This post needs to be studied for positivity. Too many negative clowns asking for a bland ass D3 to reboot some magic that is gonna fade off in a month
@@TargetSniper365agreed.
@@thealldayspecial Sure did! Enjoyed that. Was really hungry to get my light back and I was very anti-Cabal at the time, so that panned out. It was great getting to see more of the Traveler's means of communication through the bird imagery. Loved that.
and I thought Curse of Osiris was a cool DLC. The Infinite Forest was awesome, especially the Hallowe'en event. I liked the multi-location public event on Mercury. Super innovative. The double chest trick was fun. I was like one of the last people to figure out the portal jumping with the kills and chests that had to be done at each node.
And then Warmind....god I loved that content zone! Ana Bray is my second favourite character after Eris Morn. Getting to do missions around her story and evolution of Rasputin was fantastic. So many secrets and puzzles in the public area. The escalation protocol was brutal but I kept going back and back trying to beat the thing. Had a blast. The lore bits where you find the piece of Uldren's ship blew my mind. Xol was underwhelming, but not Nokris! I played every activity involving that necromancer over and over because the mechanics were great and super tough in the later modes. I really got into invis buildcrafting with that one. Oh and the Rose handgun crystals? (Was it crystals?) That kept me wondering for a while. I was elated to figure out what gun it took to shoot those darn things lol. Then there were all the warmind nodes and chasing that music. Oh and unlocking the helpful tools from Rasputin was very cool. Plus, ice caverns? Just gorgeous.
I'll stop gushing there but Year 1 was exciting! Did we play the same game?
@@TargetSniper365 I think it's a difference of gratitude and letting experiences sit deeper within. I don't play to checklist, I play to dream, wonder, delight, first and foremost. I didn't even get into serious buildcrafting until maybe 2 years ago? Was too busy roleplaying my character. E.g. I refused to use stasis outside of the mandatory missions. I was actually upset that Beyond Light forced us to use it (I was like Zavala haha) but I eventually caught up to its value, in time for Final Shape. Now I have builds for it and I'm having fun with it. Stasis too! I grumbled about that in Lightfall but I took to it eventually and quicker than with stasis because of the hunter spinny stasis-balls. They're too fun.
But the art and environments, and music! Good lord. The excellence drips all over and I don't mind just hopping in world and slowly walking around taking it all in. E.g. When the lore came out about the Savathûn manipulation melody and starting to hear it from characters in game like "I'm on the moon, it's made of cheese", was just so perfect. Savathûn is the best antagonist to take the most delightful and playful thing and absolutely corrupting it haha. Such a monster. I spent a lot of time visiting each NPC waiting to see if they'd hum or say something about the melody. This is the kind of self-adventure, self-discovery I do in games like these. It's my own fun to have. :)
I think the chase for gear has always been a highlight for the game. I do believe over the years that excitement has died down a lot due to either massive powercreep with abilities and subclasses outright just nuking entire rooms that just end up negating any real need for weapons, and just the ease of access to acquire new gear, mainly just because crafting has really cut down the loot chase grind down a lot for me at least. Armor for the most part hasn't been something I needed to grind for in the last 2 years, mods are available to everyone as soon as they hit a certain guardian rank, and even weapons aren't really something I need to chase that often anymore other than for collection sake because the stuff I used last year and even 2 years ago still hold up well to this day. It's why I would be perfectly okay with a full on reset if we were to get a Destiny 3.
But if we had to get a Destiny 3, we'd seriously need to change up the pace, not like how Destiny 2 launched where we had to wait till forsaken to really get the ball rolling. From the start, there should be a blend of familiarity and something new to separate the games. New playable races maybe, new subclasses, flyable ships, a reworked patrol zone to have a reason to be there other than just the campaign and the activity tied to it.
I’m confident Bungie will pull through, as long as they keep bringing updates and dev streams. We be alright.
Not good enough. Bungie releases mid after mid and y’all still buy it crazy every season is the same shit just reskined
I mean there is so many unwrapped stories about different characters that we haven’t expanded upon, so I could wait longer until new stories drop.
But most ppl don't care about small characters they want new villians new stakes yk.
There are no stakes rn.
We beat the big bad of the entire story.
We need a d3 that is set somewhere else.
A diffrent time frame like how halo reach is pre combat evolved
Or maybe in a new sol system with new races and new planets and stuff.
At best all we have left now is the winnower
@@SlongestKongest well yeah but that takes a long time, we just gotta see what unfolds during frontiers. I also like the idea of going somewhere new but there still needs to be build up that we’ll probably get from the new episode’s anyways it reminds of season of the seraph and that finale. Maybe Xivu Arath could lead us somewhere new.
@@kobeyturralde8163 Exactly.
As someone who joined with D2 vanilla and stuck around through thick and thin, including every expansion and season. After the final shape, I've essentially put d2 on the back burner. Im playing more casually now.
Although my son started playing a lot when the final shaped launch. So the only real fun I'm having is taking him through all the exotic missions and dungeons and playing comp and trials with him.
Otherwise I think at this point I will eventually move on for good because even if there is an expansion or D3 I think franchise fatigue is something that cant be fixed no matter what.
What did Gladd expect? Players asked for new content delivered at regular intervals. That’s a season, my guy. They’ve even reduced the number of seasons so that they can focus on quality over quantity, which is what players have been asking for.
Gladd is a clown at this point. He deeply dislikes the game and it shows. He’s coping for a new game because he thinks it will reignite his spark but it won’t. Just hoping for a miracle that isn’t real
But they're no different and the same quality.
Omg thank you. I have no idea what folks were expecting with Episodes, streamers especially. Bungie was extremely transparent that it was a pacing adjustment to alleviate crunch and allow for more dev time between seasons. We know the first season of each dlc experiences dev/hr drought anyway and its unrealistic to expect infinite content, so wtf was going through some folk's heads when this was introduced? Why are people so disappointed? I do not get it.
@@Lorentz_Driver they are already better than seasons and arguably way better in quality. the issue with seasons and you and no one want to point it out was it was 12 weeks of the "same content" that means 12 weeks of doing your seasonal campaign on all 3 chars, using the same 12 mods that get stale" farming the same activity etc. THAT is why seasons sucked.
Episodes while they still deliver content, its every 40+ days which means a refresh in content, a new set of mods to pick from (only 6) but still changes up my build enough to where im not rocking a pulse or smg now but a sniper heavy/sniper special combo with HC or scout. and already that change alone has got rid of "some" of that staleness that was setting in with act 1.
Lets not forget act 3 is offering an exotic mission, along side more weapons and a new activity again pluse another 6 mods to choose from. collectively episodes are already a huge step up from seasons.
Episode 2 and 3 should actually be even better simply because both those will have a dungeon (2 dungeons already confirmed with deluxe edition offering 2 dungeon keys) I've no clue on reprised raid OR loot refresh for raids (who knows) but if your looking at seasons and episodes and thinking they are somehow the same then thats just incorrect from an observation pov
Gladd has hit the wall that most long term veteran players like myself have hit. There's no point grinding for the 500th god roll weapon when you have 499 already in the vault. What's the purpose anymore?
I can't be bothered to restart if there is a Destiny 3.
D3 NEEDS to be full open world and a massive set of maps. Full mmo. There’s no reason why we don’t have that now and ESO has been doing it for almost 15 years with hundreds of players on the screen while fighting.
that's not the kind of game destiny is Destiny is. That's a different game. Everyone would agree for the devs to focus on big better technical raids and raid like activities instead of open empty boring stupid worlds. If you want that shit go play wow
It has the Avengers/MCU effect.
The situations, and different roads that needed from the different seasons to get to the big bad, introductions of characters, to changes/deaths of characters. When the witness was introduced to when we went on the heavy duty built up mission to fight him(endgame), it was a satisfaction. Now its left the question of "whats next?". Bungie sure had some type of imagine of what needs to be done, but right now its the fatigue of going backwards after such a huge conclusion to being like "oh we just saved the universe, now there's another person? who can also some how rise up after the witness? Someone bigger than the witness?"
Ngl, I have very much thought this is kinda the case 😅
Destiny 3 would need to be built from the ground up to provide years of content on release, and I highly doubt that would happen. It would also need to change the recipe of the game enough that it isn’t just a big destiny 2 expansion.
The final shape should have been D3. It was such a good jumping in point. And that’s what’s missing in Destiny, a jumping in point. It’s so awkward. We do need a hard reset though. There’s so many people who don’t play this game because there’s so much they don’t have or understand
i have taken breaks from destiny before but the only time, aside from this one, that i uninstalled was back in old D1 and didnt come back until forsaken in D2. I was an avid raider and loved end game content either with friends or newer players, but something about this break is feeling different. If i dont come back i dont have any negative feelings towards the game or the community in any way, i think its just my time to move on. I hope those that stay and are new players love and have a fantastic time!
I think what we really need in forge. New game mods, new maps, new campaigns. D2 can become an everlasting game if the players could create content.
And considering Bungie essentially pioneered forge with Halo 3.. You'd think they'd realize how big it could be for the game.
The only flaw that needs to be fixed is that the community would most undoubtly be divided on where the story goes or what to add to the content.
The amount of work that would be needed to make a forge mode that allows for the creation of pvp maps strikes and campaigns would take several years of no new dlc
Bungie needs to smash that big ole “Destiny 3” button rn I stg.
I absolutely agree that we are coming off a high. It's been a month and a half, which was such a good such a good run and now we are coming down. That's why I think we need to hold back on judging the future. In a few months then maybe we can we can really be worried about the future. I keep telling people to take a break if they are struggling. We'll have at least 10-11 months if not more to catch up on the episodes and they may prefer playing it when coming back.
I think rebranding seasons was not really to get people excited, but rather just because there's less content. A rebrand is necessary considering how mad players would be if they just released 3 seasons for the same price as 4. I'm actually loving this episode. The activities and story are really cool and I'm much more excited for each week's missions than I have been in a while.
I genuinely like this season the activities some great gear I dunno in understand people being disappointed in the whole Seasons/acts thing but let bungie do its thing man don’t get caught up in needing a D3 because I’m pretty sure we’ll get in eventually with a full reset and all that jazz. Enjoy the game we have right now for what it is, Destiny for life though 😅
You’re loving the fact that there’s nothing going on besides a boring gay love story and the vex having a new leader?
Fr like Its just content drops that continue the game after a big DLC, what else can they really do?
It's more content in general. U get content drop every 6 weeks stable and in summary it will be more content than seasons
I ain’t coming back to destiny till 3, I haven’t played d2 since witch queen and i’m not just about hopping back in
I would love for D2 to get somthing like a soft reboot similar to Final fantasy. Like make a big engine and grafik overhaul and the combined content of D1 and D2 together with a Big content drop, and if they have to minimize the content we get for a year or two too get that then I would be fine with that.
That way they could shutdown the D1 servers and amalgamate the server space into the D2 server system.
Completely agree.
Something that would allow them to be an actual MMO, I can still go do a raid from 2008 in World of Warcraft and get the transmog gear from activities from 2005.
I want to go play old seasonal activities and be able to get that loot.
I’m so glad I’ve been pacing myself with Final Shape.
facts, these streamers (not cross) are just crybabies - after rushing through all content for their videos and streams, they keep crying.
I for one, do not want to re-grind Gjallarhorn 3rd time, so yeah if my stuff is not coming with me, I don't want D3.
Bungie can overhaul D2 engine like so many other MMO games did.
@@Bransburk i mean can you blame streamers for going through all the content, they have to make videos but I do understand what you mean. I think at some point we need a D3 but maybe not now
I haven't even run TFS campaign with my 2 alternate characters yet. Maybe once I get the red borders from SE that I want and getting the last two exotic class items I want. Then I can replay the entire experience two more times. By that point, we may be in Episode 3
Glad to see the Attack on Titan ending reference those credits hit so hard on top of everything involved with the "Episodic" reliease of the last season and a half and the twists.
It feels like the stories in the episodes is about tying up loose ends, storylines we havent gotten an end to yet. Then later in frontiers we will get new stories
As far as the story goes, I wonder if we will ever find out who the stanger was talking to when we first met her on Venus.
Osiris?
i firmly believe she was talking to our guardian in the future. it kinda makes sense but never confirmed.
@rvsysvrthis is the worst take I've ever heard go watch a byf video
I'll take braindead take for 500 Alex🙋@rvsysvr
@rvsysvrYou’re definitely right that it’s never been the point but some people really like it, and to be fair, some of it is very strong (shout out hive lore)
I would love to have the ability to grind a different race like Cross was saying. Just did the lost sector with a hive wizard. Let me be a hive knight, fallen captain, cabal psion. Feels episodes would be great for this kind of thing.
A great thing for a D3 would be to be able to use our Ships in space fights; clan bases; huge lobbies, like traveling the whole of The Last City, Neomuna, etc. Plus, getting SRL back.
100% agree 👍
The fact that they're customizable alone should've hinted at something beyond just "Aesthetic differences for going to places"
Destiny 3 MUST have a Warframe MMO feel to it.
Otherwise there's no reason
Anything that Bungie could do for D3, they could do in D2. We don't need an entirely new game when the devs and the players have invested so much into D2 over the last 7 years. I have faith that Bungie can keep this game going for a long while from 2025 onward. Leaving it behind to make a new game would just be too big a risk.
I TRUST IN BUNGIE. Destiny was beyond exceptional as far experience and fun and destiny 2 offered a more aggressive take on things so stuff changes but overall it still gave an amazing outlook on how a sequel should or shouldn’t be done. D3 can be what it wants and I will still play it but that’s just my opinion. no one has had the exact same experience on destiny it does not matter how close you look at it; so you have to decide whether or not the future will hold destiny in it.
I just want to keep the stuff I bought with real money if d3 comes out
I think I've mentally checked out at this point. I've been stuck on trying to get a 2000 power helmet for my Hunter... 2 straight weeks of resets and doing everything in that and I've yet to get a helmet. I have the worst luck ever. After ACT II started, I started asking myself "What the hell is the point? Right now I'm just grinding to get more weapons to grind for more weapons and armor and NOW the narrative isn't doing it for me."
I've been trying out other games now. Many games have been sitting in my library. I think it's time to hand it up boys... I don't know if this game is worth it anymore unless they really start giving us a stronger new Narrative.
I got 2000 helmets for all classes, what really might sting is I never bought TFS. I was playing last night with a friend and it just hit me like a ton of bricks that I wasn't enjoying it so I told my friend sorry I'm not feeling this I gotta go. I spent the rest of the evening playing Robocop Rogue City, just move on to something else Bro break the addiction cycle.
That’s natural man, some time later you might come back for a bit and have that high again and there’s nothing wrong with that
Do you want us to applaud you for saying you are quitting?
Why do you folks act like you have to quit the game permanently like its a job. Just stop playing now and come back when they add something you find interesting or when you are just in the mood to play. Destiny does NOT have to be the only game on your computer you are allowed to play.
@@Sensets No, applause not required.
As a guy who just came back to the game after 5 years, Destiny 2 is in a shockingly good spot.
I played Destiny 1 and 2 at launch, so I am no stranger to it. Make no mistake.
Considering we just got The Final Shape and all this new content these past few years… all of which are VERY replayable…
I think that jumping to Destiny 3 RIGHT NOW is not a good idea, at least.
Let them take time to work. I think Bungie knows they don’t want to fumble another launch, so they are not gonna rush the next one out the door like they did back when Activision was pressing them. Meanwhile, D2 still receives some decent content.
Even if Destiny 3 isn’t coming out for a long while more… Destiny 2 can still provide well into the foreseeable future if Bungie decides to add more expansions even now.
The Final Shape is not necessarily the end for D2, and we know this. Maybe I’m the only one who still feels the rush considering I took a 5-year hiatus, and also having modern Halo break my heart for the 300th time… but I’m glad I am back in D2 and I am going to keep playing.
I am going to replay The Final Shape campaign, along with the others… and I am going to keep going with my friends, and I won’t stop anytime soon.
I want to play as the Eliksni, Hive, or Cabal in D3
I think people forget that destiny is so unique with the amount it releases. I don’t think it matters if they call it seasons or episodes, there is already more content in these two acts than a season imo. I would like no expansion this year and for them to work on the engine and balancing and a really good next expansion that’s polished just like final shape
If d3 does happen they need to port all our cosmetics because we don’t want to give them the opportunity to sell our d2 armor to us in d3
There’s literally the same amount of content in an entire episode as there was in a season what are you on about 💀
@@killclip6449 your reading comprehension seems lacking
I think at this point…. For a lot of us…. Playing the game … I mean actually just spending time playing - shooting, jumping, chatting with friends, testing guns etc…. Has become a part of our lifestyle and routine. Personally I barely play other games except maybe an iPhone game or two or to check out new releases like Street Fighter 6. But it’s always taking a back seat to my nightly routine of jumping online and shooting shit in what is largely THE BEST feeling first person shooter that exists. And it’s that combination of space magic and FPS that makes this game something we all enjoy so much.
I genuinely don’t see me taking any break. Even if they said no new content for 12 months, we would still get on and play the myriad amounts of content already available to us.
🤷♂️
10 years ago we were all kids; today we are all adults, some of us even have kids. We do not have the time we used to have before. The game has reached its peak, now is the time to hop off.
Yeah, man, I agree on that I am.
A grandpa Now.
The Grind is real Cross and only true veteran players are going to stick around like we always have
I think a fresh start is completely warranted. I’ve been waiting and wanting D3 for the past 4 years. I really didn’t like the state D2 was in at the time and I think it was beyond light that was about to launch so I watched their reveal and they said “yea D3 IS D2”, so I was like “guess I have no choice. I have to see how this story ends since I gave it so much of my time since D1 beta”. It’s refreshing. New discovery and the feeling of nostalgia. It’d be a renaissance if done right. I’ve been off of D2 for maybe a year or more now, but I will play D3 if it happens
i can guarantee if we get D3 it will use the same model d1 and d2 used. Full release with a lot of cut content that's instead getting shipped over 2 mediocre "expansions"(Osiris, Crota) before a big major expansion (TK, Forsaken) that revives the game and fleshes out the release to a critically acclaimed game again
It has recently been leaked that code name frontiers is another hung jury reissue…………
revolutionary
I agree with Aztecross when he says bring loot over i grinded for that stuff, wouldn't wanna lose it.
Damn. The feeling of no purpose after beating the witness. I guess the witness was right. They were gonna give us a purpose smh people
Meta 😂
I think to make the jump to a D3 I would want to have other playable races like having elites back in halo. Being able to run around as a fallen captain wielding the light would be so dope
D3 is necessary at this point because its way to daunting for most considering a return to the game or are new players.
Too much content is sunset.
There currently isnt a clear way to play content chronologically(which is what incoming player base would want)
2 of the biggest issues imo. Grinding for gear/weapons from behind is no where near as painful as the first 2 issues
There are all these talks about removing classes from our guardians in D3. And I think the only way to truly justify that is to have Guardian be one of multiple classes in the game. We've been introduced to so many other forms of power over the years, made allies of so many races, that I see, especially in an MMO setting, a game with more broadly diverse classes.
The Guardian is the human (or human offshoot), or Lucent Brood who wields powers of light and dark.
The Fallen, who focuses heavily on stealth and arc technology, with a shank buddy that provides support.
The Cabal, who's even tankier than Titan-specialized Guardians. And uses big, cudgel-like weapons and shields. Maybe you get a pet Warbeast you can command to attack enemies.
The Cloudstrider, one of many who are part of a new initiative, increasing their number into an army of sorts. Using nanotechnology and skating around through the air.
The Techeun, an Awoken with powerful psychic abilities, such as telekinesis and mind-control.
If we are going full MMO, broadening the scope of classes, races and player choice would be insane and create an enormous draw for the game.
Good points
This would be so cool but I find it hard to understand how'd they'd make it work with the game being an FPS. It'd definitely work for PvE but for PvP I guess they'd have to lock people into the more humanoid classes due to hitboxes. Unless they revamp PvP to be slighlty hero shooter inspired in the way the different classes/roles work. Cabal would server the more traditional tank role using its bigger hit box to mitigate damage from his teammates and using skills to open up opportunities for his team to win.
But that would be a drastic shift from what current D2 PvPers enjoy.
@@nycto5335For PvP, I think the main outlier would be the Cabal. A Fallen can have a similar enough size to have balanced hitboxes and speed.
They would more or less just have to make the Cabal bad in PvP on purpose, so that it's not a popular pick. Which wouldn't be too hard, they are so big and will definitely be slower, so just keep the health balanced the way it is between the classes now so they also don't have an actual ttk advantage. Players can choose to play Cabal in PvP if they want but it will be one of those "you have the disadvantage and you know it going in" situations, like using bad guns and subclasses are in the current meta.
Aztecross not talking about the future of destiny for *the 100th* time challenge (impossible)
I would love a D3 with a completely overhauled monetary system. Stop coming out with multiple $40 dlc’s. Just keep it simple. Subscription service $14-$15 a month, allows you access to all content added and battle pass. That’s it. Make it simpler new players who start the game late
What would d3 be if not the same as d2, you think because it has a new number it will change everything? Theyd just go back to the seasonal or episode content
Exactly because I don't think people realize that seasons/episodes are literally just ways of delivering content in a semi-consistent way. I can't think of another way to do live service its just a simple model that works. New activity, new items, new story... What else can they do???
After final shape I stopped playing when i got done with the expansion. Once the episodes came out I didn’t even bother to play it anymore. I’m sadden but again I’m glad I can kind of just stopped grinding all together
The real reason why Destiny needs a sequal is actually for a reason that no one has talked about yet. It's too expensive for new/returning players. The only players that are going to play the game at this point are the existing playerbase, which will only ever decrease in size.
I only took a year off from the game, yet if I want to play the game right now, today, I would have to spend $130 just to continue playing a 7 year old game... That is completely ridiculous. A brand new player would need to spend $200 up front, just to play what is in the game. There's no other game that I've ever seen that requires such an insane paywall.
Very well stated Cross!
I feel like the only way to completely reboot is to enter the cycle that the exo stranger is stuck on
I was REALLY hoping we would Lose to the Witness... u know just get Molly wopped.
Then the stranger would be like..."Fuck... here we go again. But this time you're coming with me Guardian"
Boom. Sent back In time. Do it all again but it's... much different. Maybe we spare Oryx. Maybe we Kill Savathun. Something like that.
What I want is forsaken amount of content as the base level for all expansiona going forward. New weapon types, multiple new destinations, evolving expansion story seperate from the seasons. Keep in mind Forsaken cost half as much as final shape does. If we're getting charged 2x as much, I would like at least as much content.
I think if episodes are suppoded to be self-contained stories like bungie said then they shoukd do ANY and EVERYTHING, like ya know....siva?
lol ur pfp
a bit of a siva fan are we ?
I find it pathetic that after every DLC there’s always a streamer that complains about content.
Here is an idea for a reset but that still allows you to bring something. Everything you have on your character, your loadout + the 9 slots for each main slot. Is all that you are allowed to have with you.
It would make sense that for a D3 Bungie try to bring all the exotics from both D1 and 2, seeing that they are bringing in the exotics from D1 right now. The only major thing that would need to be planned is Legendary armor and weapons. Not everything would be put into D3 so what may be worth them doing is setting a base weapon and armor that is craft-able and give it all the perks and stats of the existing armor and weapons your character has.
IE you have a shotgun, pulse, and hand cannon with two armor chest pieces one for grenades and another for damage and resilience. Each Item in this case is from a completely different season with different textures. An idea could be to make a base craft-able set of weapons and perhaps also armor and replace all the seasonal items with said base items only set said base items with all the stats and perks from the D2 counterpart. Doing it this way makes it so they are very likely to behave and function the same. Mind you one Key thing is weapons are much more likely to have behind the scenes stat differences, but this can be overcome by Bungie making it so they can be modified only though the system that allows you to "transfer" Your items.
Mind you overall I've explained my idea in a fairly complex way but the sum is bungie could make a base set of items for D3 that are all craft-able allowing them to have a larger set of perks and stat combos. If bungie does this they can also set things so you can in some regard "transfer" your armor and weapons but in reality you are just giving yourself the same set of items all with the exact same stats and perks and behaviors as your D2 counterpart. It would be hard in some ways but that comes down to how willing bungie is to making weapons for the most part malleable and flexible with stats.
Overall this makes it so you are still being reset but you are being reset in a way that allows you to still bring some of the tools you want to play with. This will allow for variety and some customization when playing right away while again, still being a restart overall.
noti gang
We should get a prequel to what it’s like during the collapse as a guardian
I am D1 player and this game flat out exhausts me. I love the game but its more work than fun for me right now and it has been for a long time
10:26 the experience of playing kingdom hearts 1 and 2 will forever stay with me. I truly wish I could relive the magic those games made me feel.
One issue I routinely have had with D2 is the simplest question,
“Will this grind be worth it for X item (s) come next season?”
As someone who casually plays, if I login and spend 10 hours over a weekend trying to get “X” done and then immediately a couple months later it’s all but unusable, that’s when I feel like my time is wasted.
There needs to be a better balance for the casual/grinders and if it’s just going to be a grinder based game, then that’s okay. But you’ll watch the numbers decrease in a large compacts because most people are in fact some level of a casual player.
ive been played destiny since day 1 destiny 1 and ive had my highs and lows with it but i cant argue its a brilliant game but what keeps me playing is the fact that my "S O" has just started and she loves it and i see myself in the joy and excitement when we play and she sees the universe and i think i will keep playing until my "S O" starts to feel the drag of the grind.
I have thousands of hours in this game, I still enjoy it. Yes, it gets stale every once in a while and I’ve had to play other games just to keep my sanity but this expansion has been pretty freaking fun with tons of stuff to do. This community always wants more stuff at a faster pace. Then we complain about every single thing. They gave us a raid, new nightfall, a great story, new maps and Trials loot. Let’s not forget Prismatic!!! I haven’t even unlocked all three characters yet.
You can't have a witness level event every 6 months, it just cannot be done. I'm with Destiny from when I first picked up D1 at the Taken King, and I'll be here until whatever Destiny has next.
It's simply time for a dungeon at this point. I think they just need to be PROACTIVE. Rotate raids with a little more challenge to them and add in new armor\cosmetics from them like at the end of D1. Do anything challenge for Bungie.
As a dad, provider and casual gamer, I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of Destiny. I took a break with season of the deep because fishing sucked lol but came back right after that and it was glorious. Thing I love about Cross is he’s not pessimistic about Destinys future whereas Gladd in my eyes, is crying about the high wearing off 😢. Boo woo, casual people like myself love this game because it’s a rare moment in time where we can relax and play with our friends that hopefully we’ve been playing with for 10 years. Thankfully I have the same group I started D1 with. Anymore these days people love to cry and want more more more, constant hormone dump, constant new, constant more. Shuuuuuut uppppp…be thankful we’ve had a franchise we have all played for over a decade now, shits crazy but soo many people just want more and it’s annoying. Attention span of gerbils 😂. I myself, will happily play this game to its entirety and if/when a D3 drops, hopefully I’ll be still playing it in another 10 years. This game is something I look forward to getting my sons into once they’re old enough and nothing could make me happier than that when it comes to gaming.
In frontier’s or D3 we need more worlds to feel ALIVE, like walking around a new planet and seeing wildlife, like a big mythical creature that we can leave be or can be disturbed and attack us.
Make D3 and let D2 fade. Everyone talks about keeping all the stuff they earned when in reality 98% of it sits in their vault. You aren’t using it. Have the community vote on a finite number of items to carry over. Include cosmetics. Engine upgrade and improved visuals and explore some of the side stories/ other major story lines.
I think as a player who has played since the red war first released that we need a D3. I recently deleted one of my characters that I didn't use that often and found that the starter campaign has been replaced by one that barely even teaches new players how to play. Not only that but a lot of the stuff that was once part of the grind (blue items and grey items) are barely present anymore with them only recently starting to pop up more with TFS. I feel that D2 is gonna get to the point where eventually everything will need to get replaced as their game engine grows and their code becomes less and less refined with time. I know it will only happen again with D3 but atleast we'll have another actual starting campaign and the natural grind of the game again, even if only for a few more years when the game needs more refining.
Cyberpunk was that game for me, where friends were saying "I envy you" "Enjoy it". I can relate and concur.
Ive been apart of the destiny community since D1 i was there for every expansion and content drop, D2 after forsaken i found myself taking break after break. As the light and dark saga ended i picked up lightfall, and the remaining expansions. Destiny has always had a honeymoon feeling. But burn out hits hard. I by no means am a hardcore player but i do enjoy D2. I think a refresher would be awesome but i dont think the D2 story is done and im overall just excited.
It doesn’t HAVE to be a D3. It can stay/remain D2 BUT it needs a complete engine overhaul. It has to be specifically done this way to hold the direction of the future & nod to the DCV.
You have all this content, seasons/arcs/lore in the DCV. Make the Engine Overhaul and ROTATE that stuff in!!
For D3 a compromise would be for them to let us pick 5-10 things from our vault to bring into the next game and then force us to find them in the D3 world in a timely manner. Bad take but I don't mind when things slow down like this after an expansion. It gives me a chance to play other games I have been neglecting like Diablo 4, Forza Horizon 5, Dying Light 2, Remnant 2, etc. I'm not a casual Destiny fan but not a hardcore one either. I play through an expansion>do all of the epilogue quests>grind a bit for a couple weeks doing whatever>then I take a break. I used to play Halo 12 hours a day back when it was popular on the 360 and a buddy of mine told me the only reason I always do better than him was because all I know is Halo. I'll never forget what he said and it made me experience other amazing games.